WEBVTT - “Iron Man Match” with Shawn Michaels | Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:09.719 March thirty first, nineteen ninety six, The Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim, 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:17.239 Terrible name Annah, I'm California. Wrestl Mania twelve, two men, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:26.360 one referee, Brother sixteen thousand, screaming fans, one belt, sixty minutes, 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:36.400 Heart versus Michaels. This is the Iron Man Match. Hello, 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.440 and welcome to Games with Names presented by when Bet. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.600 I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrel, and we're on a 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:48.760 search to find the greatest game ever played. Ever. And 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:55.320 on today's episode, Sam, we're talking. We're talking to the 0:00:55.360 --> 0:01:04.080 Heartbreak Kid and Sean Michaels about the match from WrestleMania twelve. Big, big, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.959 big deal. He has a big one. Brett Hart versus 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.840 Shawn Michaels. Me personally, I was a Brett Hart guy. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.240 I low key was too. I was are. I respected Sean. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.160 I like Sean Michael. I. I then became a fan 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.760 of Shawn Michaels in this next like eight month window 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:25.120 because he created Generation X right, Degeneration X did he 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.320 start it? I know it was him. He was part 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.920 of it. Billy Gunn and the road Dog and uh 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.039 X poc right. Yeah, that was the crew. They were. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.679 I mean, they popularized suck it. That was the whole thing. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.920 Suck it. Yeah, we'll be joined by Shawn Michaels later, 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:47.160 the Heartbreak Kid, the show stopper, show stopper, one of 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.120 the best, one of the best n ring ever. Like 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.360 a guy who could do backflips, high flyer everything. When 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.760 I was watching him, he always had great hit mobility. Yeah, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.880 like when he got in his little flex pose and 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.400 he got his little leg like, you have to have 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.800 really really flexible hips on that. So I respect his 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.520 hip flexibility as an athlete. Like, I'm gonna get into 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.320 that with him. Yeah, you know, I wonder what kind 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.080 of drills he's doing. Is he doing like hurdle drills? 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.480 Is he doing yoga? But yeah, we'll check that out. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.440 This March took place. This match took place in March 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:25.560 of ninety six. Yeah, of course at WrestleMania twelve. That's crazy. Yeah, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.000 this was a big one. This had all the big 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.920 names too. It had Undertaker, Diesel, Big Daddy Cool, you know, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.079 Steve aust Steve this one young Steve Austin, Ultimate Warrior. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:37.880 He was there. He was kind of on the he 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.040 was on the last limb. I think he had a 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:46.200 superstar like match with who who was it? Hunter Hurst? Helmsley? Oh, 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.400 Hunter Hurst, the rich kid from Connecticut before he became Yeah, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.880 and he's my beef with Ultimate Warrior. And because I 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.440 know you're a fan, I just love that he would 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.920 sprint out and just slide through like that. That's where 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.720 my my rundown. I'm the freaking uh like before games, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.960 I'd always run down the sideline and I felt like 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.160 the like just the fucking Ultimate Warrior when I was 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.280 doing that, I yeah, I get how we could fire 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.600 you up. My problem was the in ring stuff. Every 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.160 match was two minutes. He was like a premature ejaculator. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.080 He'd promise you the world and then he'd just be like, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:22.280 I'm sorry, you know, yeah, unfortunately I do know. I'm joking. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.600 This is a joking podcast. But he was a uh 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.880 he was just like he wasn't like an in ring 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.720 guy like these guys sixty minutes. This is like Kamasutra. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.000 Well this is I mean this this match was insane because, 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.080 like you said, two minutes for the Ultimate war this 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:40.240 is a sixty minute match. Next the Iron Iron Man match, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.200 which I think the previous long was like twenty minutes 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:49.200 before that. You have to have some crazy, crazy stanma stamina. Yeah, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:54.360 to go out and compete and perform like these two 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.240 men did for an hour. Like I do this boxing 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.880 training right now. I'm boxing right now, and these are 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:03.320 like three minute little like rounds that you do and 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.240 you get so tired when you're leaning up against another 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.040 person and actually compete, like I couldn't imagine going for 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.720 an hour. And it started out slow. Yeah, it started 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.240 out so, but I think they were doing that to 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.839 conserve energy. I mean probably an hour long match of 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.960 just getting beat down. Well, there's that one moment in 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.960 the match. I guess Michael's is still kind of the 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.160 heel at this point and he and he uh he 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.600 chugs the water and that was like the bad guy move. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.159 It's like he's having water. Yeah, that's how unhealthy this 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.840 shit is. They're like, don't you had water? I mean, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.599 hydration is bad at that time. You got to earn 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.200 the water. Yeah, you know, it was one of those things. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.200 Why are we doing this match? Because I think this 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.479 is you got to call this one of the most 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.560 iconic matches. Weirdly, I don't think it's Michael's best match. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.560 I think he had better matches, you know, the ladder 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.880 match with Razor Ramon, either of those, but uh, this 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.760 is two icons. This is it's almost a passing of 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.760 the torch here, right, you got Brett hard As he 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:03.000 was short term champion though it wasn't like like he 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.800 got like short end of the stick. That was a 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.719 huge thing. Like they I guess they weren't performing as 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.760 well for that that year and who was Diesel had 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.320 it and then he took it from Diesel and then 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.760 they needed someone to look a little more spunk, a 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.560 little more flair, and that's where you know, Sean Michaels 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.200 comes in, and you know, this was like the start 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.000 of a generation, like the Attitude era. It was a 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.800 right around the corner, that whole kind of punk that 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.280 fuck you like, like almost kind of very gen z ish. Yeah, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.880 it was, uh and this was I guess Sean was 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.640 like the young guy thirty one, hardest thirty nine here, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:40.640 and I know he didn't have like a long run, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.799 but he was the guy. He was the guy technically sound, yeah, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.560 he was the best. And like if you talk to wrestlers, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.800 he was a wrestlers. Wrestler. He put dudes over, he 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.000 was he was the guy and he's the guy to 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.159 put over Sean Michael. I don't think they liked each other. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.240 They hated each other. I was watching I was doing 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.520 some of my research. Yeah, shout out to the research 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:05.039 research group of the pod. They did an awesome job. Uh. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.520 And they like really hated each other. Yeah, I was 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.760 watching one of those documentaries. I guess, Uh, Sean Michaels 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.919 or no, Brett Hart he was about to go to 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.400 the w c W in like the next eight months 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.600 or something, and he felt that he got the short 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.839 end of the stick, like I said, where he wasn't 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.719 champ enough. He wasn't champed long enough. Uh, And he 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.120 had I guess different views, and it kind of you know, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.680 Brett Uh, Shawn Michaels, he was kind of like the 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.760 young gun, you know, the younger guy that was flashy, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.080 and you know, I think they were talking about what 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.640 were they saying? Sam, Like they just hated each other 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.960 in internally and the other wrestlers found out, Well, I 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.599 want to ask him about that, and like that's like 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.279 a huge working relationship, you know, like they're they're not acting, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.279 but they're performing in the ring. And then you know, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.240 usually after in the locker room. I think they kind 0:06:58.240 --> 0:06:59.880 of all just chill, drink some beers and they all 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.560 have like a cool relationship. I think they actually really 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.679 had some flames between them. It's like if we hated 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.760 each other, Yeah, it would be hard, very it would 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.920 be I mean they they have to be great together 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.160 and you have to. There was that match Sean Michael's 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.600 versus Hull Cogan, and I don't think he liked Haul Cogan. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.400 So he's just over selling every hit. Yeah, that's like 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.000 how you make a dude look dumb in in wrestling. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.800 You just are like you're getting hit and you're like ah, 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.960 I mean that's how you just act like, oh my god, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.600 it hurts so much. No but that and then behind 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.920 the scenes they talked about it on one of the 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:39.480 research packets that they actually were kicking each other and 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.160 like one of those uppercuts he really got them, damn 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.000 and like the kick one of the Sweet Chin music's 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.840 he kicked him. It was like too much. And I 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.800 guess they have a number system on how they they 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.480 They tell each other like one through five they're good, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.680 five through eight they're not. I don't know if we're 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.400 suposed to be talking about this because this is real. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:02.080 This is real, folks, This is real. Wrestling is so real. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.320 But they do have number systems to let each other know, like, hey, dude, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:06.880 we're going way too hard here. And I think they 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:10.760 were just throwing out tens left and right and we're 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:15.400 not talking about your comments section, just tens everywhere. Oh 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.280 and I supposed to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So this 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.200 was the first time Sean Michaels took the belt. This 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.720 was big. This was a big moment for him, you know. Yeah, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.520 he and I guess a lot of the guys, you know, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.240 he put it. He put his time in. Yeah, because 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.000 he was thirty one, he was around for probably what 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.720 how many years Jack he was six seven years. Yeah, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.000 he was around for that while, and you know he 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.600 had to pay his dues to finally get his shine 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.200 at the match. I mean he turned pro in eighty four, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.160 eighty four, ninety six, so this is his twelfth year, 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.320 so he was nineteen. He was a pro at nineteen, Yeah, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.160 he was. He dropped out of college, went right into wrestling, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.400 got under the training of Jose Lothario, and that was 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.400 another thing that was like a big trainer. They had 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:05.800 like the whole uh making rocky kind of yeah attitude 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.880 or look what do I say there? What do you mean? 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.080 They had the old torment Yeah, something like that. Yeah, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.440 well they had like an old guy. There was some 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.920 wrestlers that just came out with a hot chick, and 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.080 then there were wrestlers who were like this old guy 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.560 he made me, you know, so there was a different 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.440 there was a different I mean I remember there was 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.120 one WCW character. I think it was Crispin wa was 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.800 his ringside person. She was just called woman. Like that's 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.760 how bad the writing was on w C They're like, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.480 what do we call her? They're like woman color woman, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:41.040 woman one. Yeah, geez, she's a woman. The nineties. Yeah, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.000 so misogynistic. It was rough. It was rough, but then 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.800 you you know, sometimes you have the hot chick in 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.080 your corner and then sometimes you just have to either way. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.480 It was cool to have a manager because that's the dude, dude, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.000 what's his name, The Undertaker's guy, the Paul Bear. Yeah, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.520 that guy was awesome. Who was the guy with the mullet? 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.439 He was the early one. He was the first one. 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.280 Jimmy Hart yep, Jimmy Hart classic as the Paul Bear 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:08.520 was like in my that voice, that high voice. He 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.760 was great. Geez, let's go back to March thirty first 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:17.800 in nineteen ninety six, on this exact day. Number one 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.920 movie in America, The Bird Cage Classic Never Saw James, Yeah, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.640 Robin Williams and Nathan lay Hanka'saria. Who else is in that? 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.679 It's great, great comedy. I think did Mike Nichols make 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:34.000 that movie? Yeah? All right, the Graduate Legend? Yeah yeah. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.120 The number one song in America was Because You Loved 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.640 Me by Celine Dion. She was she was a monster 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.040 in the nineties. Oh yeah, the Vegas Show. I think 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.080 we've talked about her on the show before, have we? 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:51.040 You were definitely gotta have one Celine Dion reference one 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.400 time we had. Gene Hackman was also in Bird Cage. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:59.720 Oh yeah, big time love Gene Hackman Beast Beast for 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.840 the first time ever. The MLB opening day was in March. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.280 Why this is after the strike? I believe strike. Who 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:09.800 were the what do they call him? When you when 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.120 you cross the line? Those are scabs? Scabs? I wonder 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.560 who the scab was. Let me do some looking on 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.920 that the I want to pick them. Yeah, this was. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.560 I mean, this is a tough time for baseball, and 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:26.400 then the steroid era kind of saved baseball. Yeah, and 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.000 it was probably the best baseball's ever been. It was 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.520 pretty awesome nineties baseball. I mean, he's playoff baseball right now, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:38.000 and I'm excited. But you know, I don't know anyone 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.640 anymore because you don't watch for one hundred and sixty 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.400 two games. Well, Tatis, you know, Junior is trying to 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.800 save baseball by taking steroids. Again, they throw him out 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.520 as team's thriving without him. It's a bummer. It's a 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.000 bummer that guy can he can crush, you know. It's 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.200 it's pretty crazy that, you know, all this hype for 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.920 being like the seventh best home run hitter of all time, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.559 like they they're acting like this thing. Of course it's 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.319 a New York record, and I can't believe this was 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:08.480 getting with Judge getting national attention. Did you say, what 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.720 do you say? Ninth best home runs seventh? I mean 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.120 that's what I guess. Bond, Sosa and mcmguire the only 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.040 one to have more. Will count them? I count those, Yeah, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.439 count them. But I'm saying, you know, al record, I mean, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.440 it just it was a little little much. It was 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.000 too much Yankees. This Boston hate. That's not Boston. Hey man. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.240 The Yankees are are the New York is doing good? 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.120 Right now? We got the Jets four and one, we 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.600 got the Giants or giants the Jets three and one 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.400 are the Jets porn one? Giants are five in one right, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.040 four and two. Who knows when this comes out, but 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:47.360 right now, wow, Akwon's looking like a fucking tank, looking 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:53.920 like a Are's get back to ninety six. Fargo was 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.679 released in movie theaters. One of the all time greatest movies. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.600 I think one of the best American movies. Home Brothers 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.040 are arguably the best of our time, and this is 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:07.240 maybe their best movie. So classic, quite good police work. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.520 You got there, damn or no? Was that that something 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.120 like that? Oh my god, the buzz Saw, the woodschip, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:18.000 I mean, holy shit, Yeah, I don't holy shit. Yeah, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:23.120 the Browns become the Baltimore Ravens. I just always remember 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.880 Belichick referencing this whole thing and how it went down. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.600 It was such a shit show. They literally moved in 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.480 like the middle of the night, in the middle of 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.840 the season. They tell everyone that they're gonna go to 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.600 the Baltimore go to Baltimore, and I think they were 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.000 like four and oh at the time, and then they 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.640 end up having a losing record after that once the 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:46.280 distraction of the announcement was there. That's crazy. They were 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.920 saying that when they were driving in like to work 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.680 for practice, people were picketing, throwing shit at the car 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.760 like it was their fault. Wow. They they were mad 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.080 to lose the team. They were so mad to lose 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.160 the team. And they were four and oh. They were 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.800 a sexy pick to go to like the AFC championship 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.520 that year. They went to the playoffs a year before, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.520 and then this comes they fire Bill, they become the 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.400 Ravens or Cleveland doesn't have a team for like ten years, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.880 which is that's crazy to me. That's a great sports 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.920 town if you think about that, they really are. What 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.840 was it? It was like how many years? Let me 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.760 look real quick, three years regardless, regardless, it was too much. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:29.240 Cleveland needs a team, Okay, great fans Northeast Ohio. I 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.320 spent a lot of time there. They love those brownies. Yeah, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.200 you know, And I'm sorry that they lost to Bernie Coozar. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.560 That guy got tortured in the eighties. I don't think 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.080 they loved him, No, but they still love the Browns regardless. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.840 That's the kid of the city was throwing glass bottles 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.720 at Tim Couch. That guy didn't deserve that ship. Get 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.600 him an offensive line. He's not getting protected by the line. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.680 Then he's getting not protected by the fans. No, Hey, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.040 it's it's a that's a career killer. That's that's tough 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.760 to be. They call that a career killer. If you're 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.400 a player, you do not want to get drafted to Cleveland. Yeah, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.280 was that on your mind? No, not at all. I 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.880 just wanted to play football. Actually, I think Detroit has 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.080 that title. Yeah, I would say so. But as far 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.920 as fans and their love for the game, they love, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.400 they love, great fans, great fans they love. And they 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.240 never win. I mean there's in any sport. I mean 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.680 in Clevelands, I know. But that they needed that. They 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.080 had like a fifty year drought. They needed that, right 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.080 because the Indians came close in the ninth few times. Yeah, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.440 but it's good to see that, and I hope that, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.080 you know, the Browns turn it around. But let's uh, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.840 let's get to wrestling. In the nineties, yeah, all right, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.040 So I mean Hulk Hogan. I was never really a 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.280 huge Hogan guy. He was great, he was a legend, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.040 but I was always more of a macho man. Randy Savage, dude, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.160 that guy fucking ruled. Did you have the pillows? The 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.120 wrestling pillows were like like the little guys I remember this, 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:54.960 I had those. I had a whole Cogan and a 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.280 Randy Savage. This was more of my brother's generation, like 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.600 that earlier early nineties, late eighties kind of this. This 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.480 was like the whole transition from that to the Attitude 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.440 era right of the nineties. So like I knew whul Cogan, 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.200 I loved Randy Savage and the slim Gym commercials and 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.760 the Ultimate Warrior coming out of the freaking tunnel sprinting 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.960 into this ring. Like I love that. I didn't know 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.960 it as much. This, this actual match that we're about 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.560 to go over, the Iron Man match, was literally that 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.040 transitional period from this time to like the stone Cold 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.560 the Attitude era degeneration X So this was like a 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.800 huge in like the history of it. This was a huge, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.600 a huge game or I keep on wanting to say game. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.400 It is a game. It's games with names brother. Well, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.040 I'll say this too. Matches with games, yeah, matches with 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.560 yeah whatever. I'll say this though, I think competition is good. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.160 And the WCW became really good around this time because 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.800 they got Hogan, they got macho man, they got you know, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.480 Scott Hall, Kevin Nash. This is right after they got 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.400 all that. You have to step it up when your 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.200 competition is that good. And I think that made the 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:08.280 WWE really, you know, step it up. You got guys 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.720 like Stone Cold, the rock Mankind all those like great 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:17.080 characters on Taker, Kane Cain. Kane was Taker's brother. Remember 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.600 they fought like I remember, I remember those matches too. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.960 Kane is like a mayor now is he. He's like 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.800 a small town in Tennessee mayor. I mean these rest 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.240 I mean you had Jesse the Ventia Jackson be a governor. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.119 Yeah right, I mean these guys are these guys are 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:36.159 are warriors, leader of men and women. Yeah, Kane is 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.280 the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee. Right now. I heard that. Yeah, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.760 this was they needed a new superstar. They needed a 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:48.440 new superstar. I guess you know, they were kind of struggling, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.919 you know, the w W f at the time was 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:57.960 struggling to have a superstar of some kind of talent 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.359 of I don't know, you know what it is. They 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:00.879 weren't good. They were good in the ring, but you 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:02.720 had guys like Lex Luger who were great in the 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.560 ring and stuff. But then on the mic, wrestling is 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.480 not just about the ring. It's performance. Maybe it's it's 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.399 combining sports and entertainment, like we were talking about with 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.399 Macho Man, Lady Savage and the improv thing about the 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.639 cream out of the shirt, like these guys like someone 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.159 bet him. I heard you were saying Kyler yet him, 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.040 I bet you can't do a promotional video with little 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.040 creams like the ones you put in the coffee and 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.760 like and it did it. Creamed at the top kept 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.800 on pulling them out like they needed someone like that, 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.840 and I guess you know they felt it was Sean 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.359 Michaels and it was when you look back on it 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:44.920 was that next character that kind of helped revolutionize what 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.639 the wrestling environment was going to become. Yeah, because I 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.359 mean Macho Man was a great exam Like I was 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:51.720 great on the mic, he was great in the ring. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.320 The rock another great example, you know, Stone Cold, you 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.720 need that to thrive. Chris Jericho, all those dudes. Uh 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.919 so the attitude that was coming up. This was the 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:10.440 new generation stars, Michael's Heart, Undertaker, guys with big, fresh personalities. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.800 They needed that freshness. Yeah, you know, this was Monday 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.120 Night Raw they created that. Remember that Monday Night Raw 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.080 was this ship. I used to get so fucking mad 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.639 with the Cliffhangers. Oh yeah, I'll go to bed at 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.800 like because it was an eight to nine or nine 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.159 to ten, nine to ten. I think it was eight 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.200 eight to nine because we were young, so it may 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.760 have been nine, but I remember going. I'd be like, no, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:34.920 I would look at the clock. I'm like, it's gonna 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.480 end right here, no waw. The best is when when 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.520 you would get like a happy ending that would flip 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.040 like your guy one. But then people would just come 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.320 out and start beating the shit out of him with 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:45.639 a chair and You're like, come on, this was just 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.879 this close. The Cliffhangers were insane. The attitude air was 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.119 just around the corner. Like we said, ninety seven after 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.000 the Montreal screw job, and that was these guys that 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.960 was hard and Michael. Yeah, so it was Yeah, this 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.320 was a look into the future. Sure, this specific match, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.920 this is what jump started the attitude era. Yeah, that's 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.960 when all the guys. I remember when Chris Jericho came, 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:13.240 it was it was a d remember that weird Countdown 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.840 y two J I met him a couple of times 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.840 because I did a showing. They all these guys live 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.399 in Tampa, like Wrestling Headquarters. So I remember I did 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.440 a gig side Splitters Great Club in Tampa and Jericho's 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.119 in the crowd and his laughing is so he was 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.120 fucking drinking and his laugh is so booming and noticeable 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:34.600 that everyone's like I told a joke and he'd be like, oh, 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.439 everyone's just looking at him. I'd be like, holy do 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.600 I have to address that. Chris Jericho's here. And I 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:41.920 was like, I'm not going to address it. I think 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.159 that'd be weird, so I don't do it. But he 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:46.919 brought me a nice message after. And then when I 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.320 did a sports show in Town in New York City 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.119 on MSG, he did an episode and it was the 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.680 weirdest episode we've ever done because we had a format 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.760 and he was just like, nah, screw format, and he 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.440 just took over and I was like, man, that worked. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.440 Was he good? On the mic. He was great. It's 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.920 what he does. He's like these guys do he Jerreed 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.080 goes another guy great on the mic and he's doing backflips. 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.160 He's doing the lion Tamer. He's got it all. He's 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.600 one of those great He's like cut from this cloth 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:16.119 of like Shawn Michael's Brett Hart type of wrestlers. Shawn 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.399 michaels to be pretty cool. What were you doing in 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.840 nineteen ninety six, Sam, You're ten years old. I was 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.040 trying to rent stuff like this from the Blood. If 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.399 we went to Blockbuster, it was like either an Adam 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.520 Sandler movie or or a wrestling movie. Because to me, 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.440 it was like, you know, you're looking at the value 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:32.960