Speaker 1: March thirty first, nineteen ninety six, The Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim,
Speaker 1: Terrible name Annah, I'm California. Wrestl Mania twelve, two men,
Speaker 1: one referee, Brother sixteen thousand, screaming fans, one belt, sixty minutes,
Speaker 1: Heart versus Michaels. This is the Iron Man Match. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Games with Names presented by when Bet.
Speaker 1: I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrel, and we're on a
Speaker 1: search to find the greatest game ever played. Ever. And
Speaker 1: on today's episode, Sam, we're talking. We're talking to the
Speaker 1: Heartbreak Kid and Sean Michaels about the match from WrestleMania twelve. Big, big,
Speaker 1: big deal. He has a big one. Brett Hart versus
Speaker 1: Shawn Michaels. Me personally, I was a Brett Hart guy.
Speaker 1: I low key was too. I was are. I respected Sean.
Speaker 1: I like Sean Michael. I. I then became a fan
Speaker 1: of Shawn Michaels in this next like eight month window
Speaker 1: because he created Generation X right, Degeneration X did he
Speaker 1: start it? I know it was him. He was part
Speaker 1: of it. Billy Gunn and the road Dog and uh
Speaker 1: X poc right. Yeah, that was the crew. They were.
Speaker 1: I mean, they popularized suck it. That was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Suck it. Yeah, we'll be joined by Shawn Michaels later,
Speaker 1: the Heartbreak Kid, the show stopper, show stopper, one of
Speaker 1: the best, one of the best n ring ever. Like
Speaker 1: a guy who could do backflips, high flyer everything. When
Speaker 1: I was watching him, he always had great hit mobility. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when he got in his little flex pose and
Speaker 1: he got his little leg like, you have to have
Speaker 1: really really flexible hips on that. So I respect his
Speaker 1: hip flexibility as an athlete. Like, I'm gonna get into
Speaker 1: that with him. Yeah, you know, I wonder what kind
Speaker 1: of drills he's doing. Is he doing like hurdle drills?
Speaker 1: Is he doing yoga? But yeah, we'll check that out.
Speaker 1: This March took place. This match took place in March
Speaker 1: of ninety six. Yeah, of course at WrestleMania twelve. That's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was a big one. This had all the big
Speaker 1: names too. It had Undertaker, Diesel, Big Daddy Cool, you know,
Speaker 1: Steve aust Steve this one young Steve Austin, Ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 1: He was there. He was kind of on the he
Speaker 1: was on the last limb. I think he had a
Speaker 1: superstar like match with who who was it? Hunter Hurst? Helmsley? Oh,
Speaker 1: Hunter Hurst, the rich kid from Connecticut before he became Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's my beef with Ultimate Warrior. And because I
Speaker 1: know you're a fan, I just love that he would
Speaker 1: sprint out and just slide through like that. That's where
Speaker 1: my my rundown. I'm the freaking uh like before games,
Speaker 1: I'd always run down the sideline and I felt like
Speaker 1: the like just the fucking Ultimate Warrior when I was
Speaker 1: doing that, I yeah, I get how we could fire
Speaker 1: you up. My problem was the in ring stuff. Every
Speaker 1: match was two minutes. He was like a premature ejaculator.
Speaker 1: He'd promise you the world and then he'd just be like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know, yeah, unfortunately I do know. I'm joking.
Speaker 1: This is a joking podcast. But he was a uh
Speaker 1: he was just like he wasn't like an in ring
Speaker 1: guy like these guys sixty minutes. This is like Kamasutra.
Speaker 1: Well this is I mean this this match was insane because,
Speaker 1: like you said, two minutes for the Ultimate war this
Speaker 1: is a sixty minute match. Next the Iron Iron Man match,
Speaker 1: which I think the previous long was like twenty minutes
Speaker 1: before that. You have to have some crazy, crazy stanma stamina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go out and compete and perform like these two
Speaker 1: men did for an hour. Like I do this boxing
Speaker 1: training right now. I'm boxing right now, and these are
Speaker 1: like three minute little like rounds that you do and
Speaker 1: you get so tired when you're leaning up against another
Speaker 1: person and actually compete, like I couldn't imagine going for
Speaker 1: an hour. And it started out slow. Yeah, it started
Speaker 1: out so, but I think they were doing that to
Speaker 1: conserve energy. I mean probably an hour long match of
Speaker 1: just getting beat down. Well, there's that one moment in
Speaker 1: the match. I guess Michael's is still kind of the
Speaker 1: heel at this point and he and he uh he
Speaker 1: chugs the water and that was like the bad guy move.
Speaker 1: It's like he's having water. Yeah, that's how unhealthy this
Speaker 1: shit is. They're like, don't you had water? I mean,
Speaker 1: hydration is bad at that time. You got to earn
Speaker 1: the water. Yeah, you know, it was one of those things.
Speaker 1: Why are we doing this match? Because I think this
Speaker 1: is you got to call this one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic matches. Weirdly, I don't think it's Michael's best match.
Speaker 1: I think he had better matches, you know, the ladder
Speaker 1: match with Razor Ramon, either of those, but uh, this
Speaker 1: is two icons. This is it's almost a passing of
Speaker 1: the torch here, right, you got Brett hard As he
Speaker 1: was short term champion though it wasn't like like he
Speaker 1: got like short end of the stick. That was a
Speaker 1: huge thing. Like they I guess they weren't performing as
Speaker 1: well for that that year and who was Diesel had
Speaker 1: it and then he took it from Diesel and then
Speaker 1: they needed someone to look a little more spunk, a
Speaker 1: little more flair, and that's where you know, Sean Michaels
Speaker 1: comes in, and you know, this was like the start
Speaker 1: of a generation, like the Attitude era. It was a
Speaker 1: right around the corner, that whole kind of punk that
Speaker 1: fuck you like, like almost kind of very gen z ish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, uh and this was I guess Sean was
Speaker 1: like the young guy thirty one, hardest thirty nine here,
Speaker 1: and I know he didn't have like a long run,
Speaker 1: but he was the guy. He was the guy technically sound, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the best. And like if you talk to wrestlers,
Speaker 1: he was a wrestlers. Wrestler. He put dudes over, he
Speaker 1: was he was the guy and he's the guy to
Speaker 1: put over Sean Michael. I don't think they liked each other.
Speaker 1: They hated each other. I was watching I was doing
Speaker 1: some of my research. Yeah, shout out to the research
Speaker 1: research group of the pod. They did an awesome job. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they like really hated each other. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: watching one of those documentaries. I guess, Uh, Sean Michaels
Speaker 1: or no, Brett Hart he was about to go to
Speaker 1: the w c W in like the next eight months
Speaker 1: or something, and he felt that he got the short
Speaker 1: end of the stick, like I said, where he wasn't
Speaker 1: champ enough. He wasn't champed long enough. Uh, And he
Speaker 1: had I guess different views, and it kind of you know,
Speaker 1: Brett Uh, Shawn Michaels, he was kind of like the
Speaker 1: young gun, you know, the younger guy that was flashy,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think they were talking about what
Speaker 1: were they saying? Sam, Like they just hated each other
Speaker 1: in internally and the other wrestlers found out, Well, I
Speaker 1: want to ask him about that, and like that's like
Speaker 1: a huge working relationship, you know, like they're they're not acting,
Speaker 1: but they're performing in the ring. And then you know,
Speaker 1: usually after in the locker room. I think they kind
Speaker 1: of all just chill, drink some beers and they all
Speaker 1: have like a cool relationship. I think they actually really
Speaker 1: had some flames between them. It's like if we hated
Speaker 1: each other, Yeah, it would be hard, very it would
Speaker 1: be I mean they they have to be great together
Speaker 1: and you have to. There was that match Sean Michael's
Speaker 1: versus Hull Cogan, and I don't think he liked Haul Cogan.
Speaker 1: So he's just over selling every hit. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: how you make a dude look dumb in in wrestling.
Speaker 1: You just are like you're getting hit and you're like ah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's how you just act like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it hurts so much. No but that and then behind
Speaker 1: the scenes they talked about it on one of the
Speaker 1: research packets that they actually were kicking each other and
Speaker 1: like one of those uppercuts he really got them, damn
Speaker 1: and like the kick one of the Sweet Chin music's
Speaker 1: he kicked him. It was like too much. And I
Speaker 1: guess they have a number system on how they they
Speaker 1: They tell each other like one through five they're good,
Speaker 1: five through eight they're not. I don't know if we're
Speaker 1: suposed to be talking about this because this is real.
Speaker 1: This is real, folks, This is real. Wrestling is so real.
Speaker 1: But they do have number systems to let each other know, like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: we're going way too hard here. And I think they
Speaker 1: were just throwing out tens left and right and we're
Speaker 1: not talking about your comments section, just tens everywhere. Oh
Speaker 1: and I supposed to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So this
Speaker 1: was the first time Sean Michaels took the belt. This
Speaker 1: was big. This was a big moment for him, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he and I guess a lot of the guys, you know,
Speaker 1: he put it. He put his time in. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he was thirty one, he was around for probably what
Speaker 1: how many years Jack he was six seven years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was around for that while, and you know he
Speaker 1: had to pay his dues to finally get his shine
Speaker 1: at the match. I mean he turned pro in eighty four,
Speaker 1: eighty four, ninety six, so this is his twelfth year,
Speaker 1: so he was nineteen. He was a pro at nineteen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He dropped out of college, went right into wrestling,
Speaker 1: got under the training of Jose Lothario, and that was
Speaker 1: another thing that was like a big trainer. They had
Speaker 1: like the whole uh making rocky kind of yeah attitude
Speaker 1: or look what do I say there? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: They had the old torment Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they had like an old guy. There was some
Speaker 1: wrestlers that just came out with a hot chick, and
Speaker 1: then there were wrestlers who were like this old guy
Speaker 1: he made me, you know, so there was a different
Speaker 1: there was a different I mean I remember there was
Speaker 1: one WCW character. I think it was Crispin wa was
Speaker 1: his ringside person. She was just called woman. Like that's
Speaker 1: how bad the writing was on w C They're like,
Speaker 1: what do we call her? They're like woman color woman,
Speaker 1: woman one. Yeah, geez, she's a woman. The nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so misogynistic. It was rough. It was rough, but then
Speaker 1: you you know, sometimes you have the hot chick in
Speaker 1: your corner and then sometimes you just have to either way.
Speaker 1: It was cool to have a manager because that's the dude, dude,
Speaker 1: what's his name, The Undertaker's guy, the Paul Bear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy was awesome. Who was the guy with the mullet?
Speaker 1: He was the early one. He was the first one.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart yep, Jimmy Hart classic as the Paul Bear
Speaker 1: was like in my that voice, that high voice. He
Speaker 1: was great. Geez, let's go back to March thirty first
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, on this exact day. Number one
Speaker 1: movie in America, The Bird Cage Classic Never Saw James, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Robin Williams and Nathan lay Hanka'saria. Who else is in that?
Speaker 1: It's great, great comedy. I think did Mike Nichols make
Speaker 1: that movie? Yeah? All right, the Graduate Legend? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: The number one song in America was Because You Loved
Speaker 1: Me by Celine Dion. She was she was a monster
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Oh yeah, the Vegas Show. I think
Speaker 1: we've talked about her on the show before, have we?
Speaker 1: You were definitely gotta have one Celine Dion reference one
Speaker 1: time we had. Gene Hackman was also in Bird Cage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, big time love Gene Hackman Beast Beast for
Speaker 1: the first time ever. The MLB opening day was in March.
Speaker 1: Why this is after the strike? I believe strike. Who
Speaker 1: were the what do they call him? When you when
Speaker 1: you cross the line? Those are scabs? Scabs? I wonder
Speaker 1: who the scab was. Let me do some looking on
Speaker 1: that the I want to pick them. Yeah, this was.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a tough time for baseball, and
Speaker 1: then the steroid era kind of saved baseball. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was probably the best baseball's ever been. It was
Speaker 1: pretty awesome nineties baseball. I mean, he's playoff baseball right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited. But you know, I don't know anyone
Speaker 1: anymore because you don't watch for one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: two games. Well, Tatis, you know, Junior is trying to
Speaker 1: save baseball by taking steroids. Again, they throw him out
Speaker 1: as team's thriving without him. It's a bummer. It's a
Speaker 1: bummer that guy can he can crush, you know. It's
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy that, you know, all this hype for
Speaker 1: being like the seventh best home run hitter of all time,
Speaker 1: like they they're acting like this thing. Of course it's
Speaker 1: a New York record, and I can't believe this was
Speaker 1: getting with Judge getting national attention. Did you say, what
Speaker 1: do you say? Ninth best home runs seventh? I mean
Speaker 1: that's what I guess. Bond, Sosa and mcmguire the only
Speaker 1: one to have more. Will count them? I count those, Yeah,
Speaker 1: count them. But I'm saying, you know, al record, I mean,
Speaker 1: it just it was a little little much. It was
Speaker 1: too much Yankees. This Boston hate. That's not Boston. Hey man.
Speaker 1: The Yankees are are the New York is doing good?
Speaker 1: Right now? We got the Jets four and one, we
Speaker 1: got the Giants or giants the Jets three and one
Speaker 1: are the Jets porn one? Giants are five in one right,
Speaker 1: four and two. Who knows when this comes out, but
Speaker 1: right now, wow, Akwon's looking like a fucking tank, looking
Speaker 1: like a Are's get back to ninety six. Fargo was
Speaker 1: released in movie theaters. One of the all time greatest movies.
Speaker 1: I think one of the best American movies. Home Brothers
Speaker 1: are arguably the best of our time, and this is
Speaker 1: maybe their best movie. So classic, quite good police work.
Speaker 1: You got there, damn or no? Was that that something
Speaker 1: like that? Oh my god, the buzz Saw, the woodschip,
Speaker 1: I mean, holy shit, Yeah, I don't holy shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Browns become the Baltimore Ravens. I just always remember
Speaker 1: Belichick referencing this whole thing and how it went down.
Speaker 1: It was such a shit show. They literally moved in
Speaker 1: like the middle of the night, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season. They tell everyone that they're gonna go to
Speaker 1: the Baltimore go to Baltimore, and I think they were
Speaker 1: like four and oh at the time, and then they
Speaker 1: end up having a losing record after that once the
Speaker 1: distraction of the announcement was there. That's crazy. They were
Speaker 1: saying that when they were driving in like to work
Speaker 1: for practice, people were picketing, throwing shit at the car
Speaker 1: like it was their fault. Wow. They they were mad
Speaker 1: to lose the team. They were so mad to lose
Speaker 1: the team. And they were four and oh. They were
Speaker 1: a sexy pick to go to like the AFC championship
Speaker 1: that year. They went to the playoffs a year before,
Speaker 1: and then this comes they fire Bill, they become the
Speaker 1: Ravens or Cleveland doesn't have a team for like ten years,
Speaker 1: which is that's crazy to me. That's a great sports
Speaker 1: town if you think about that, they really are. What
Speaker 1: was it? It was like how many years? Let me
Speaker 1: look real quick, three years regardless, regardless, it was too much.
Speaker 1: Cleveland needs a team, Okay, great fans Northeast Ohio. I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time there. They love those brownies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm sorry that they lost to Bernie Coozar.
Speaker 1: That guy got tortured in the eighties. I don't think
Speaker 1: they loved him, No, but they still love the Browns regardless.
Speaker 1: That's the kid of the city was throwing glass bottles
Speaker 1: at Tim Couch. That guy didn't deserve that ship. Get
Speaker 1: him an offensive line. He's not getting protected by the line.
Speaker 1: Then he's getting not protected by the fans. No, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's it's a that's a career killer. That's that's tough
Speaker 1: to be. They call that a career killer. If you're
Speaker 1: a player, you do not want to get drafted to Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was that on your mind? No, not at all. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to play football. Actually, I think Detroit has
Speaker 1: that title. Yeah, I would say so. But as far
Speaker 1: as fans and their love for the game, they love,
Speaker 1: they love, great fans, great fans they love. And they
Speaker 1: never win. I mean there's in any sport. I mean
Speaker 1: in Clevelands, I know. But that they needed that. They
Speaker 1: had like a fifty year drought. They needed that, right
Speaker 1: because the Indians came close in the ninth few times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's good to see that, and I hope that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Browns turn it around. But let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's get to wrestling. In the nineties, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So I mean Hulk Hogan. I was never really a
Speaker 1: huge Hogan guy. He was great, he was a legend,
Speaker 1: but I was always more of a macho man. Randy Savage, dude,
Speaker 1: that guy fucking ruled. Did you have the pillows? The
Speaker 1: wrestling pillows were like like the little guys I remember this,
Speaker 1: I had those. I had a whole Cogan and a
Speaker 1: Randy Savage. This was more of my brother's generation, like
Speaker 1: that earlier early nineties, late eighties kind of this. This
Speaker 1: was like the whole transition from that to the Attitude
Speaker 1: era right of the nineties. So like I knew whul Cogan,
Speaker 1: I loved Randy Savage and the slim Gym commercials and
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Warrior coming out of the freaking tunnel sprinting
Speaker 1: into this ring. Like I love that. I didn't know
Speaker 1: it as much. This, this actual match that we're about
Speaker 1: to go over, the Iron Man match, was literally that
Speaker 1: transitional period from this time to like the stone Cold
Speaker 1: the Attitude era degeneration X So this was like a
Speaker 1: huge in like the history of it. This was a huge,
Speaker 1: a huge game or I keep on wanting to say game.
Speaker 1: It is a game. It's games with names brother. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll say this too. Matches with games, yeah, matches with
Speaker 1: yeah whatever. I'll say this though, I think competition is good.
Speaker 1: And the WCW became really good around this time because
Speaker 1: they got Hogan, they got macho man, they got you know,
Speaker 1: Scott Hall, Kevin Nash. This is right after they got
Speaker 1: all that. You have to step it up when your
Speaker 1: competition is that good. And I think that made the
Speaker 1: WWE really, you know, step it up. You got guys
Speaker 1: like Stone Cold, the rock Mankind all those like great
Speaker 1: characters on Taker, Kane Cain. Kane was Taker's brother. Remember
Speaker 1: they fought like I remember, I remember those matches too.
Speaker 1: Kane is like a mayor now is he. He's like
Speaker 1: a small town in Tennessee mayor. I mean these rest
Speaker 1: I mean you had Jesse the Ventia Jackson be a governor.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean these guys are these guys are
Speaker 1: are warriors, leader of men and women. Yeah, Kane is
Speaker 1: the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee. Right now. I heard that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was they needed a new superstar. They needed a
Speaker 1: new superstar. I guess you know, they were kind of struggling,
Speaker 1: you know, the w W f at the time was
Speaker 1: struggling to have a superstar of some kind of talent
Speaker 1: of I don't know, you know what it is. They
Speaker 1: weren't good. They were good in the ring, but you
Speaker 1: had guys like Lex Luger who were great in the
Speaker 1: ring and stuff. But then on the mic, wrestling is
Speaker 1: not just about the ring. It's performance. Maybe it's it's
Speaker 1: combining sports and entertainment, like we were talking about with
Speaker 1: Macho Man, Lady Savage and the improv thing about the
Speaker 1: cream out of the shirt, like these guys like someone
Speaker 1: bet him. I heard you were saying Kyler yet him,
Speaker 1: I bet you can't do a promotional video with little
Speaker 1: creams like the ones you put in the coffee and
Speaker 1: like and it did it. Creamed at the top kept
Speaker 1: on pulling them out like they needed someone like that,
Speaker 1: and I guess you know they felt it was Sean
Speaker 1: Michaels and it was when you look back on it
Speaker 1: was that next character that kind of helped revolutionize what
Speaker 1: the wrestling environment was going to become. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: mean Macho Man was a great exam Like I was
Speaker 1: great on the mic, he was great in the ring.
Speaker 1: The rock another great example, you know, Stone Cold, you
Speaker 1: need that to thrive. Chris Jericho, all those dudes. Uh
Speaker 1: so the attitude that was coming up. This was the
Speaker 1: new generation stars, Michael's Heart, Undertaker, guys with big, fresh personalities.
Speaker 1: They needed that freshness. Yeah, you know, this was Monday
Speaker 1: Night Raw they created that. Remember that Monday Night Raw
Speaker 1: was this ship. I used to get so fucking mad
Speaker 1: with the Cliffhangers. Oh yeah, I'll go to bed at
Speaker 1: like because it was an eight to nine or nine
Speaker 1: to ten, nine to ten. I think it was eight
Speaker 1: eight to nine because we were young, so it may
Speaker 1: have been nine, but I remember going. I'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: I would look at the clock. I'm like, it's gonna
Speaker 1: end right here, no waw. The best is when when
Speaker 1: you would get like a happy ending that would flip
Speaker 1: like your guy one. But then people would just come
Speaker 1: out and start beating the shit out of him with
Speaker 1: a chair and You're like, come on, this was just
Speaker 1: this close. The Cliffhangers were insane. The attitude air was
Speaker 1: just around the corner. Like we said, ninety seven after
Speaker 1: the Montreal screw job, and that was these guys that
Speaker 1: was hard and Michael. Yeah, so it was Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was a look into the future. Sure, this specific match,
Speaker 1: this is what jump started the attitude era. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: when all the guys. I remember when Chris Jericho came,
Speaker 1: it was it was a d remember that weird Countdown
Speaker 1: y two J I met him a couple of times
Speaker 1: because I did a showing. They all these guys live
Speaker 1: in Tampa, like Wrestling Headquarters. So I remember I did
Speaker 1: a gig side Splitters Great Club in Tampa and Jericho's
Speaker 1: in the crowd and his laughing is so he was
Speaker 1: fucking drinking and his laugh is so booming and noticeable
Speaker 1: that everyone's like I told a joke and he'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: everyone's just looking at him. I'd be like, holy do
Speaker 1: I have to address that. Chris Jericho's here. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to address it. I think
Speaker 1: that'd be weird, so I don't do it. But he
Speaker 1: brought me a nice message after. And then when I
Speaker 1: did a sports show in Town in New York City
Speaker 1: on MSG, he did an episode and it was the
Speaker 1: weirdest episode we've ever done because we had a format
Speaker 1: and he was just like, nah, screw format, and he
Speaker 1: just took over and I was like, man, that worked.
Speaker 1: Was he good? On the mic. He was great. It's
Speaker 1: what he does. He's like these guys do he Jerreed
Speaker 1: goes another guy great on the mic and he's doing backflips.
Speaker 1: He's doing the lion Tamer. He's got it all. He's
Speaker 1: one of those great He's like cut from this cloth
Speaker 1: of like Shawn Michael's Brett Hart type of wrestlers. Shawn
Speaker 1: michaels to be pretty cool. What were you doing in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Sam, You're ten years old. I was
Speaker 1: trying to rent stuff like this from the Blood. If
Speaker 1: we went to Blockbuster, it was like either an Adam
Speaker 1: Sandler movie or or a wrestling movie. Because to me,
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you're looking at the value
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, if I see a comedy, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be ninety minutes. These pay per views are like
Speaker 1: three hours, so I'm like, that's so much time. This
Speaker 1: is before TikTok and YouTube. I'm looking like how much
Speaker 1: time I can get lost on a TV screen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I remember just baking my parents to get pay per
Speaker 1: views to watch these these WrestleMania's. And you know, I
Speaker 1: used to hang out with my buddy Jeff bel Wamani
Speaker 1: and we would have to go to his house because
Speaker 1: he had the illegal box and so you could get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, ww he might get mad at me.
Speaker 1: We didn't give him that pay per view, but we
Speaker 1: used to go there watch it. We'd get beer or
Speaker 1: not beers. We were ten years old. You're getting fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would get coach and slam them, I mean, and
Speaker 1: then also, you know, it's pretty crazy ironic. I have
Speaker 1: a pretty good story all right about the attitude era.
Speaker 1: And this time I was like, probably later in this year,
Speaker 1: I was at my school, in elementary school, and we
Speaker 1: had to sit down for lunch. You sit down and
Speaker 1: then you have a first bell and then you guys
Speaker 1: can go out and play. So you had to eat,
Speaker 1: and there was old man, mister callous walking by. He
Speaker 1: gave me some lip because I was, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was a little little asshole, probably little kid, running
Speaker 1: around trying to make trades for fucking lunchables. And he
Speaker 1: sat me down, yelled at me. He said, you can't
Speaker 1: be up yet, And as soon as he walked away,
Speaker 1: full suck it sign giving them suckets. Yeah, fuck you,
Speaker 1: mister callus, Little fucking ten year old me doesn't see right,
Speaker 1: doesn't see but a lady walking by, literally we had
Speaker 1: a fence. This is terrible podcasting, but I had a
Speaker 1: fence if you can see, yeah, in a chain link
Speaker 1: and a lady walked by and saw me because all
Speaker 1: my boys were laughing and we were all just doing it,
Speaker 1: and she singled me out, called mister callus over, tells
Speaker 1: mister callis and he goes, you flip me off and
Speaker 1: brings me off. This get full suspended? I got. I
Speaker 1: gave you him a sucket sign. He wasn't even flipball.
Speaker 1: Who's sucking? Sigh? I love you begging the principle. I
Speaker 1: didn't say fuck you if I told him to suck
Speaker 1: my pnus what the hell? And you know they're responsible
Speaker 1: for a lot of kids doing oh my well, I
Speaker 1: you know I got suspended. That was literally like your
Speaker 1: mom's grounding you, and you're like, mom, if you're not
Speaker 1: down with this, I got two words for you, suck it,
Speaker 1: you know, like now you're grounded an extra weight. My
Speaker 1: mom had my back though. My mom goes, you didn't
Speaker 1: even see it. Yeah, see he didn't do it. Did
Speaker 1: you do the did you do this one? Or did
Speaker 1: you do the crow. I did a full jump spread,
Speaker 1: full jump spread, regular both like you know, when you're
Speaker 1: a kid, you would be going like a bunch yes,
Speaker 1: and he you know, I got caught ray ended. I
Speaker 1: had to shit at home. But that was my story.
Speaker 1: That's great, dude, me in ninety six when I was
Speaker 1: so young, Julian doing the sucket. I did a similar
Speaker 1: thing when I was in school. This was the pop
Speaker 1: the rise of Mick Foley Mankind and mister Soko and
Speaker 1: you probably know where this is going. I came in
Speaker 1: a science class with a sock on my hand and
Speaker 1: this kid, I got him from behind. I socko him
Speaker 1: in the middle of class and the teacher was like,
Speaker 1: get out, get out. But everyone's cheering that I'm sockoing
Speaker 1: a dude, and he's like, oh oh stinky sock. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he freaked out. I got I got thrown out of class,
Speaker 1: but I did socco a kid. Did you get in trouble?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got like thrown out and sent to
Speaker 1: the principal. But it was awesome. I socoed a dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah that Like the crowd must have been going. They
Speaker 1: went wild. They were like, yeah, oh my god, anytime
Speaker 1: any rebellion went down, the whole collective group of the
Speaker 1: class would just go like, yeah, one for the kids.
Speaker 1: Well it was I was new in school too, so
Speaker 1: it was like it was a risk. I was like,
Speaker 1: if this goes south, I'm a para. But it worked out,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, he's one of us. New to the school.
Speaker 1: You were to the new kid on campus and soco
Speaker 1: socko to kid. Yeah, I went for it. What what
Speaker 1: what you were ten? I was probably like twelve. That's
Speaker 1: that's ballsy. I I I changed schools too, and when
Speaker 1: you're like the new kid in a new school, it's
Speaker 1: like you have to do something. I had to. I
Speaker 1: raced my fastest kid in the school, and that's how
Speaker 1: I got my my my standard. That's like, that's so
Speaker 1: like an eighties movie. I went. I looked at Leo Ortiz.
Speaker 1: I said, they used to do this base race thing,
Speaker 1: and he was a year older than me, but I
Speaker 1: was held back. So we were the same, you're fast
Speaker 1: as hell. And we did the base race and we
Speaker 1: go around second and we collided with each other. We
Speaker 1: hit each other. First day of school there hit each
Speaker 1: other almost like low key kind of knocked out, get
Speaker 1: up and finish the race. One leo, I know you
Speaker 1: remember that, Uh, but that was what I had to do.
Speaker 1: You you go over here and socko someone. See that's
Speaker 1: a comic versus an athlete. That's true. Versus you showed
Speaker 1: your skills. I just got thrown out of class. We
Speaker 1: that's skill right there, you mc mcfoley, shout out mcfoley.
Speaker 1: I did like mankind. Oh he was the best. He got,
Speaker 1: he got. He used to have some crazy like he
Speaker 1: was bleeding on ways. I remember remember remember the ladder
Speaker 1: matching the ladder match and he fell on the tax
Speaker 1: was at the tax I think that was the that
Speaker 1: was the undertake. The hell that was That was love.
Speaker 1: When they got the props, like the hell on the
Speaker 1: cells stuff. I get so disappointed when they didn't. Let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this one. First off, we got the harp.
Speaker 1: Great kid, the show stopper, Shawn Michael's thirty one years
Speaker 1: old at a San Antonio, Texas six one two twenty five.
Speaker 1: He's a high flyer. He's uh, he can. He can
Speaker 1: do the backflips, he could do the flying elbow. He
Speaker 1: did it all. His signature move was, of course, sweet
Speaker 1: chim music. You remember that the He's wind up for
Speaker 1: it by doing that shit. I love that. I tried
Speaker 1: it this morning. I think I may have my hurt
Speaker 1: my hip flexer. Really, you tried to get up. That's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I that's why. I was like so impressed with the
Speaker 1: hit mobility. That's where that comment came from. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're doing Shawn Michael this morning. I was in the
Speaker 1: shower ball naked Berry did a double leg chim music.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that hurt my knee. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not ready. Well, this was he outlasted D's on the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble, which is how you got the match up
Speaker 1: with the man. Oh my god. Royal Rumble was always fun.
Speaker 1: It was great. He teased retirement. Did with thirty well,
Speaker 1: because he was thirty one, he was in the league
Speaker 1: or he was in the you know the foundation or
Speaker 1: what is the federation for twelve years. They didn't get
Speaker 1: him a shot. So this was like his time, this
Speaker 1: was his time to shine. This was awesome. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: February he won. He won in your House six over.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be saying no, we could say his name.
Speaker 1: They wrestled his name, suffered a concussion though that's pretty
Speaker 1: relevant these days. Yeah, I'm sure someone nowadays will probably
Speaker 1: be spotting him say hey, you can't wrestle them, or
Speaker 1: you can't be a superstar. Right now, you got to
Speaker 1: go in the protocol to a February. He won in
Speaker 1: your house six over Owen Owen Hart. Yeah, great wrestler
Speaker 1: suffered a concussion. Yeah, at this point, he still didn't
Speaker 1: have the title, arguably never won the belt. At this point,
Speaker 1: he's the greatest effort to never win. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: I think who is that in? Like football? Daniel Jones? Maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think, Dan Marino, Dan
Speaker 1: Marino Marino? That is Marin? Charles Barkley and basketball Charles Barkley. Well, Malone,
Speaker 1: you and stocked in that whole nineties missed out because
Speaker 1: the MJ. You know, there's a lot of guys who
Speaker 1: Chris Paul in today's NBA. Yeah, yeah, and he had
Speaker 1: his fair share of controversy. Did the playgirls spread respect?
Speaker 1: I actually he hung on. I remember I remember what
Speaker 1: the kid Actually, I don't want to refer I can't
Speaker 1: reference him because I don't want his mom to know.
Speaker 1: We found her playgirls WHOA, but we found full playgirls.
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting here like it was literally this time
Speaker 1: in my life. I was it was probably like nineteen five,
Speaker 1: ninety five, six, maybe seven. We found my buddy's playgirl,
Speaker 1: mom's playgirls. It was like it was weird, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't realize they had low key kind of traumatizing really No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't what it sounded. Oh, let his mom get
Speaker 1: some I thought those were predominantly bought by gay dudes
Speaker 1: because I remember the story that Burt Reynolds hung dong
Speaker 1: and so maybe it was his dad's Maybe it was
Speaker 1: his dad's dude. But the story was Burt Reynolds hung
Speaker 1: dong and playgirl thinking like all these chicks would be
Speaker 1: like whoa. And then it was just like he just
Speaker 1: became like a gay icon, little Bert right. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: numbers say it is primarily bought by males. It's mostly
Speaker 1: a dude bought magazine it wow And to save you
Speaker 1: guys at Google search there at home, Shawn Michaels. Didn't
Speaker 1: show dong. Oh it didn't show the Championship girl too.
Speaker 1: Didn't he let me look into Eric Dickerson. He just
Speaker 1: I don't understand. He just hung he just hung butt.
Speaker 1: What did he hang? Yeah, you could. You could see
Speaker 1: both cheeks and then let's see some of these picks.
Speaker 1: The meat was covered by the big belt. So this
Speaker 1: was post WrestleMania twelve. Uh, you got the belt laying
Speaker 1: on his side, belt covering. But then there is a backshop,
Speaker 1: so you can see the cheeks. Damn. Yeah, it would
Speaker 1: have been nice to see him in some ass chraps. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Would you ever do Playgirl? I did? I did? Uh?
Speaker 1: I did body issues for Yeah. No, you look great,
Speaker 1: you look great. I wouldn't do Playgirl though, No, no,
Speaker 1: just it's not as classy. I don't know is Playgirls
Speaker 1: round still? I don't even think so. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a huge name to be in Playgirl. There was Eric Dickerson.
Speaker 1: He did Playgirl? Yeah he did? He hang Dickerson. Let
Speaker 1: me take a look real quick if he I don't
Speaker 1: think he did? He did? I don't think he hanged on.
Speaker 1: What's the point of not but you're going to see
Speaker 1: it through the banana hammock? Really? Oh yeah you could. Well,
Speaker 1: let's get to Brett Hart aka Brett the Hitman Heart.
Speaker 1: At this point in his career, he was thirty nine, Calgary, Canada. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Canadian A. I just went to a wedding this past
Speaker 1: weekend and there was a Canadian family. Those people are outrageous.
Speaker 1: They're like their whole country, well, no, just Canadian people
Speaker 1: in general. Like they're insanely nice. But those people know
Speaker 1: how to drink. They drank like they're low key drunks,
Speaker 1: but they're they're happy drunk so that they're never really drunk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Back to Brett Hart signature move was a sharp shooter.
Speaker 1: My sister used to get that a bunch back. I
Speaker 1: used to give the sharpshooter all the time, classic break
Speaker 1: your little back. Uh. Pink and white tights? Were you were?
Speaker 1: He made pink cool. Yeah, you didn't see a lot
Speaker 1: of tough dudes rocking pink at this point. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a it was a power move. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a secure man to rock pink. Yeah, he he.
Speaker 1: He was definitely like a tough guy and he was
Speaker 1: well respected. He wasn't like the whole attitude era, and that's,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of why they kicked him to the curb,
Speaker 1: I think. But toughness like no respect for the best.
Speaker 1: There was, the best there is and the best there
Speaker 1: ever will be. Bret the hit Man. Heart got to
Speaker 1: show that guy some respect. Wish we had him on
Speaker 1: this episode too. Yeah, but you know, no, he wasn't
Speaker 1: ready for it, and he wasn't ready for it. The
Speaker 1: Heart versus Michael's rivalry before the Iron Man, The Heart Fed,
Speaker 1: the Heart Foundation, Heart and the Avil Anvil Anvil versus
Speaker 1: the Rockets Michaels and Marty, the Rockers, the Rockers, the
Speaker 1: Hard Foundation. It was beating me to it this episode. Geez,
Speaker 1: the Heart Foundation was heard in the Anvil. Jimmy the
Speaker 1: Anvil right, and then the Rockers Michaels and Marty Jannetti.
Speaker 1: Uh nineteen nineteen eighty nine at MSG Oh wow, finished
Speaker 1: in a draw. Hate a draw ninety one. I know
Speaker 1: that was the Cliffhangers. I hated the draws. It makes
Speaker 1: me so mad as a kid. Nineteen ninety one in Tokyo,
Speaker 1: won by the Heart Federation Our Foundation first ever ladder
Speaker 1: match for the Intercontinent Intercontinental Championship. Heart was the holder,
Speaker 1: having captured in nineteen ninety one. It was won by
Speaker 1: Heart the WWF Championship Survivor Series main event. Also Heart
Speaker 1: won it again. Yeah, so this was his time. This
Speaker 1: was the time. He was right for the picking. He
Speaker 1: was Sean Michaels probably thought so so. WrestleMania match. It's
Speaker 1: the super Bowl of WWA. This is the night, this
Speaker 1: is the biggest night. Uh, the Iron Man match. This
Speaker 1: was the first one ever sixty minutes. Who can get
Speaker 1: more pinfalls or submissions in sixty minutes? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: I think I could be thirty or sixty six sixty? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting they count the thirty ones. There were two
Speaker 1: thirty minute ones beforehand. Brett Hart was in both of those.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is a sixty minute one. This is
Speaker 1: the first sixth This was the first sixty in a match.
Speaker 1: This was insane, which you gotta think, that's got to
Speaker 1: be so hard for these guys, like to think when
Speaker 1: you're tired, and like any mistake with these superstars, like
Speaker 1: you could break something neck or arm or like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Then stone Cold breaking neck in
Speaker 1: one of the matches. I think he didn't he'd get
Speaker 1: the classic, the classic neck brace with the Bud stone Cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things we remembered. I remember it started slow, but they
Speaker 1: had they had to start it slow. You know, you
Speaker 1: got to you gotta feel out the match if you're
Speaker 1: doing a three hour porno, they're better be at least
Speaker 1: thirty minutes a dialogue. You can't just go right into
Speaker 1: full penetration. You got to work up to it. And
Speaker 1: that's why they you know, you got to start with
Speaker 1: the four places. Well, they were doing a bunch of
Speaker 1: headlocks and flips and they were showing off. Look, people
Speaker 1: were walking out, but they couldn't handle the greatness the
Speaker 1: technicality of these two. They were technicians, and if you
Speaker 1: watch it, it's like dancing. Yeah, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of this is like dancing. And to see the fluidity
Speaker 1: of how each of every move they did to each
Speaker 1: other looked like, I mean, it was insane execution for sure.
Speaker 1: You know things we may have forgotten. Some fans billing yeah,
Speaker 1: because of the lack of action at the start. I
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's spoiled fans. They don't, you know,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? These guys are about to go
Speaker 1: out there and kick each other's asses for an hour?
Speaker 1: Like we already went into this. Can you imagine maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't understand what it was. Maybe they understand that
Speaker 1: it was because can you imagine leaving and then you
Speaker 1: left one of the great matches in wrestling history. It's
Speaker 1: like those Miami fans who would leave early in the
Speaker 1: finals with the heat, and then the heat won and
Speaker 1: they tried to get back in and they wouldn't let
Speaker 1: them back in. They were like, sorry, dude, maybe they
Speaker 1: had you know, maybe their kids had school early the
Speaker 1: next day, kind of like missed. You know, my buddy Mark,
Speaker 1: he had the kids had school, left the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: a little early that we came back in one twenty
Speaker 1: eight to three. You know, So that's that's the that's
Speaker 1: the consequence of leaving when your kids have school the
Speaker 1: next days. You know, Yeah, you may miss You can
Speaker 1: miss one day though a time story, though classic for
Speaker 1: a lifetime story. You're allowed to miss school. I'm not
Speaker 1: a dad here, Yeah, I'm just saying, these are the
Speaker 1: people that may have left. Yeah, people that may have
Speaker 1: left the arena or any competition, and you know, they
Speaker 1: it's like you kept saying in that twenty eight to
Speaker 1: three game, it's going to be a hell of a story.
Speaker 1: It's going to be all these people lost their story
Speaker 1: if they left. If they left, shame on them, shame.
Speaker 1: So let's uh and the things we also remember, Oh
Speaker 1: Gorilla mon Soon, remember that, dude. No, he instructed Earl Hebner,
Speaker 1: the referee, to continue the match under sudden death rules
Speaker 1: as Heart began to leave with the title because it
Speaker 1: went to overtime. So yeah, this is an hour long match,
Speaker 1: and they kept it going. But by the way, he
Speaker 1: was off the he was off the the ring yet
Speaker 1: already walking in. Yeah, they said no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: is Gorilla mon Soon, the greatest name in wrestling history.
Speaker 1: You can't be a lawyer with that name. I'll be
Speaker 1: your attorney. I'm Guerrilla Monson. Like that, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: running wrestling Gorilla Monson. So there must be a winner.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's you know, have to Even in
Speaker 1: the NFL you could tie, not in the playoffs, though
Speaker 1: not at WrestleMania. Yeah, you can not in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You cannot tie. And they had the same time, the
Speaker 1: same overtime rules. Here they get back in the ring.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand how because if you remember, I
Speaker 1: believe Brett Hart had him in the sharpshooter for like
Speaker 1: thirty seconds and no one ever not tapped out of
Speaker 1: a sharp shooter and then the match ended. They call
Speaker 1: it a draw. Whatever to have the ability with Sean
Speaker 1: Michaels to get out of the sharp shooter. He's dead tired,
Speaker 1: give him the sweet chin music and get the title.
Speaker 1: They put him over because when you don't tap out
Speaker 1: of the great guy's great move your first time ever,
Speaker 1: you're now the dude. You're the guy now he is.
Speaker 1: So for the Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet, here's
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking we do. Sean Michael sings his own
Speaker 1: theme song. We all know the iconic theme song. I'm
Speaker 1: just a bullet. I'm not your boy toy, I'm sexy boy.
Speaker 1: So you you can how many times can you say
Speaker 1: sexy boy? I think you can hit five? Easy? Five? Well,
Speaker 1: you can hit five because here's why. He's because you're
Speaker 1: able to double up on this one, because if you
Speaker 1: do the chorus too, I'm just I'm just what is
Speaker 1: how's it go? I'm just a sexy boy, sexy boy,
Speaker 1: I'm not your boy toy. Okay, so should we count
Speaker 1: boy toy too? Just sexy boy boy? All right? All right?
Speaker 1: I think you can we hit so for five, four
Speaker 1: and a half, four and a half. You can easily
Speaker 1: do this, yeah, four and a half. Sexy boy Gaming
Speaker 1: corner presented by win Bet. What is it? So we're
Speaker 1: gonna go four and a half over under? I think
Speaker 1: that's the boy toy. I think you could hit it easily.
Speaker 1: We'll see. It's just if. Sometimes I get into the uh,
Speaker 1: I get into the conversation when we're talking to these people,
Speaker 1: and then I get like, all right, we got the
Speaker 1: shot claw, how long do we have them? Then you
Speaker 1: fully forget the prop bet? Yeah, well over mind you.
Speaker 1: I'll even throw out a sexy boy if I don't
Speaker 1: see you. Is it a joint sexy boy? Count? Should
Speaker 1: I jump into four and a half? So then let's
Speaker 1: do six point five, six and seven. We're both doing it.
Speaker 1: We got a hit. If it's both of us easy
Speaker 1: and we can hit seven, that's tough. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: call him sexy boy. I'm gonna start off. What if
Speaker 1: it opens? If I call you sexy boy and he's
Speaker 1: gonna say no, and we're like, well there it goes
Speaker 1: that that wasn't nothing't worth. Don't ask for consent. I'm
Speaker 1: sexy boy. You just have to go for sexy boy.
Speaker 1: There will be no Consent's just go for it. I
Speaker 1: wonder what kind of guy's gonna be like me too.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. Is he cool? I haven't. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: I've met some wrestlers. Who is the coolest ones that
Speaker 1: you've met? I used to hang out with Who's Gronks
Speaker 1: boy Mojo? Oh yeah, he's great. Yeah, I used to
Speaker 1: go This was before he was like in the actual
Speaker 1: league or whatever with the WWE. He's with the WWE. No,
Speaker 1: I think he should be. We should have that. But Mojo,
Speaker 1: we used to go out in Miami together. These guys
Speaker 1: are maniacs. That's I don't get it because they I
Speaker 1: want to ask Sean about how he parties, because these
Speaker 1: dudes would be on the road the whole year, and
Speaker 1: it's not like they're just on the road. No, they're
Speaker 1: fucking working out. Think about how hard. I wonder what
Speaker 1: their weekly regimen was. Yeah, I want to know. I
Speaker 1: want to know that. There's so much to know anyway,
Speaker 1: Like do they have a couple of days part like
Speaker 1: like scheduled out? All right, I'm going to party for
Speaker 1: him here this day to this day so I can
Speaker 1: recover by match weekend or I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll find out in a minute. We're about to be
Speaker 1: joined with the Heartbreak Kid himself, the Sexy Boy. That
Speaker 1: one doesn't count, Sewn Michael. We're gonna introduce you here,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest ever do it, an icon, a
Speaker 1: living legend, the Heartbreak Kid, harp A sexy Boy, four
Speaker 1: time WW World Champion, two time Hall of Fame inductee,
Speaker 1: one solo one from d X, two time Woral Rumble winner,
Speaker 1: and the current booker at WW Next. Seawn Michaels, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you very much. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And look when you guys say thirty
Speaker 1: five and look it's code, it's code for old. But
Speaker 1: I've got but I've come to appreciate it. I really have.
Speaker 1: You know, looking back, I'm very honored to h I
Speaker 1: don't know, you've had so many people kind of grow
Speaker 1: up with you, you know what I mean. Is a
Speaker 1: pretty cool thing when you get to that point later
Speaker 1: in life where you can appreciate that, and that is
Speaker 1: exactly where I'm at now. So thank you guys very much.
Speaker 1: Can you just kind of start this off by telling
Speaker 1: us what your life was like in nineteen ninety six
Speaker 1: going into this. You were thirty one years old, you
Speaker 1: were paying your dues, for so long. This is when
Speaker 1: you first got your your belt, Like, this was like
Speaker 1: probably what you've been working for for so long, but
Speaker 1: you also rock star. So what was life like in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Well, I have to say so, in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six it was as many people know that
Speaker 1: the the life of Shaw and Michael's got pretty dark
Speaker 1: at one time. But in ninety six, again building up
Speaker 1: to this moment, it was it was it was feeling
Speaker 1: like you're going to be acknowledged by you know, the
Speaker 1: company and the industry as being the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's something that the ww Championship I think sort of
Speaker 1: symbolizes in the careers of any guy that gets to
Speaker 1: hold that title, is you know, the industry, the company
Speaker 1: acknowledging you, at least for that moment in time, as
Speaker 1: being certainly one of, if not the best in you know,
Speaker 1: in your field. And so that's honestly the that's the
Speaker 1: I think the most satisfying thing for any uh, you know, athlete,
Speaker 1: any talent that comes through the w W when you
Speaker 1: get recognized with a a championship, and certainly the World Championship,
Speaker 1: it's it's just that it's sort of a pat On
Speaker 1: the back of the acknowledgment that you know that you've
Speaker 1: made it that you you know, you're being honored by
Speaker 1: your company and your peers as being the guy that
Speaker 1: they feel like can carry the company. So on one hand,
Speaker 1: it's a huge obviously, uh, you know, opportunity. It's obviously
Speaker 1: a pretty heavy burden as well, but clearly it's everything
Speaker 1: as you said, Julie, that that that you work for
Speaker 1: and it is it's it's culminating obviously at WrestleMania is ideal.
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things that again not everybody
Speaker 1: has it happened at WrestleMania. So for me to have
Speaker 1: it happen at WrestleMania and then with the World Championship,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of worlds coming together. That was,
Speaker 1: you know, unbelievably satisfying and you know, felt pretty decent
Speaker 1: at the time. Man, you're on the road at this point,
Speaker 1: I mean what almost a whole year, every almost every week, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that yeah, oh yeah, you're you're on the
Speaker 1: road two hundred and fifty plus days a year. That's
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot. I'm a road comic and
Speaker 1: that my body hurts from traveling. You guys you land,
Speaker 1: you work out, you train, I mean, is there time
Speaker 1: to party? Well, look, we made time for that, but
Speaker 1: by all means yeah, there's certainly. The one thing is
Speaker 1: is that there was always after the show and so
Speaker 1: and clearly at this point in my career, I was
Speaker 1: least good about waiting until after the show. I would
Speaker 1: get to a point to where, you know, it was
Speaker 1: any any time of day if I if I felt
Speaker 1: like it, But no, it's certainly it is. Look, it was, uh,
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned it earlier kind of it was
Speaker 1: a kind of a rock star lifestyle. It was. It
Speaker 1: could be a lot of fun and you could be
Speaker 1: obviously the life of the party, a pretty popular guy.
Speaker 1: It was not a bad gig. Shall we say, Now,
Speaker 1: what's a weekly routine? So you had at that point
Speaker 1: raw was coming on, so you had Mondays and you
Speaker 1: guys would do you guys would be traveling all week.
Speaker 1: How did you get your training in? And like as
Speaker 1: an athlete, as a football player, we had to get
Speaker 1: four workouts in each week before the week and you
Speaker 1: had to do it on your own. Did you have
Speaker 1: everything slotted Like? All right, I had my train time here,
Speaker 1: I had my party time here, I had, you know,
Speaker 1: my preparation time here. How was a weekly schedule for
Speaker 1: you guys? You travel on this day because you know,
Speaker 1: as athletes, we're all creatures a habit, especially you know
Speaker 1: you guys are you guys? I mean watching this stuff,
Speaker 1: you guys taking so much beaten? How did you recover? Like?
Speaker 1: What was that weekly schedule? Like, well, so the days off,
Speaker 1: so we do we got to the schedule where we're
Speaker 1: doing wrong on Monday. But Monday doing raw would be
Speaker 1: the last event, so you'd go home Tuesday morning. You'd
Speaker 1: have the rest of the the day. Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: Thursday you'd be at home if you get if you
Speaker 1: didn't have other appearances or something of that nature, that
Speaker 1: was your rest time. That was obviously you know you're
Speaker 1: still training excuse me in the afternoon. But Friday, you
Speaker 1: fly out in the morning, You get to the town,
Speaker 1: you find a gold gym or you find a gym somewhere.
Speaker 1: You go, train, come back, you eat, you go to
Speaker 1: the show. You have the show that night, you're done, ten,
Speaker 1: ten thirty, go back to the hotel, you know, hang out,
Speaker 1: have fun for a little while. Then you get on
Speaker 1: a plane the next morning and do the same thing.
Speaker 1: You fly to the town, you get there, you find
Speaker 1: a gym, you train, you know, wash rints and repeat, geez,
Speaker 1: and you do that throughout the week. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: you're getting any sleep at this time too, because you're
Speaker 1: wired from the match. You get back to the hotel.
Speaker 1: You can't just sleep. No. Look, I can really notice.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because now if I'm on the road
Speaker 1: and now like i'm you know, I go to bed
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock except for the nights that we have
Speaker 1: you know that we have a television that we have
Speaker 1: to work late. But yeah, to your point, Look, you're
Speaker 1: done at the building at ten or ten thirty and
Speaker 1: you are ready, you're ready to go. So but it's amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, young, you know, youth will break through, you know,
Speaker 1: break down a lot of barriers. You know, you could
Speaker 1: live on four or five hours sleep. But even again,
Speaker 1: if you you know, you're in bed by two three
Speaker 1: in the morning, you know what I mean, depending on
Speaker 1: how long the flight is, you get a couple hours
Speaker 1: that night. You sleep on the flight, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Uh, you get up and you do the
Speaker 1: same thing. But you youth is a is an amazing thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy how much your body and look also
Speaker 1: what your body gets used to. Yeah, I'll say that
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, you you understand and again, you know, Julian,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you understand. You know. You get to where
Speaker 1: your body's as to being through a physical endeavor on
Speaker 1: a regular basis, and as long as you keep doing it,
Speaker 1: it's sort of that callousness that it keeps up. It's
Speaker 1: some minute you stop if you ask me, and then
Speaker 1: you try to get back into it is the hard part.
Speaker 1: The best way to stay in shape is never get out.
Speaker 1: That was always the thing, absolutely, you know, because it
Speaker 1: was always those fucking four weeks of when you get
Speaker 1: out of shape after a season, you go party with
Speaker 1: the boys and then you're so out of shape by
Speaker 1: the time you're like, I'm never getting out of shape again.
Speaker 1: You're throwing up. But I'm fascinated with you. You went
Speaker 1: to you would find a gym in the towns you're in,
Speaker 1: so like, now that I'm retired, I go do this
Speaker 1: gym life too, where you go to find an equinox
Speaker 1: to get a workout in and there's like a I
Speaker 1: never like it because you always have people sizing you up,
Speaker 1: especially they find out who you are. I can only
Speaker 1: imagine if you guys walked in all rocked up over
Speaker 1: there on the one fifties doing some presses like did
Speaker 1: people ever give you guys any shit in those gyms? Well, so, look,
Speaker 1: good fortune for me is I'm going into the gym.
Speaker 1: I'm going in there with Nash, who's seven three hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: I'm going into the Scott Hall six eight two eighty five,
Speaker 1: you know, Hunter, you know, six four two fifteen. So,
Speaker 1: and look, everybody knows you. And for the most part,
Speaker 1: a lot of the times it was it was a
Speaker 1: number of us, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a crew of guys going in there,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't take long, you know. I think for
Speaker 1: the most part, everybody was pretty cool with the fact
Speaker 1: that we were there, you know what I mean. That
Speaker 1: was obviously good for their business to have us there.
Speaker 1: We had, you know, at that time, there were mostly
Speaker 1: golds gyms, a lot of places. They were always really
Speaker 1: good to us. But for the most part, look, even
Speaker 1: if you had some people that kind of had a
Speaker 1: you know, sticking her ass part my language you know
Speaker 1: about you you know, you'd pay the five bucks or
Speaker 1: the ten bucks to get to work out in uh,
Speaker 1: you know, pay for and whatnot. You know, just whatever
Speaker 1: it took to get it done. You talk about the
Speaker 1: tanning a hairy jew. I appreciate the hairy chest representation.
Speaker 1: You were the only dude with with chest hair, and
Speaker 1: Julian's brought this up. You could have looked more ripped
Speaker 1: if you shaved your chest, but you chose not to. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: so look, I've never shaved my legs my chest. I think, goodness,
Speaker 1: my wife does my back now? Like, yeah, that was look, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it was always I don't know,
Speaker 1: that was just one of those things. I was never
Speaker 1: a bodybuilder. I gotta be honest. The best shape I
Speaker 1: was in I was really fortunate, I guess to get
Speaker 1: that way. Like I said, it was just training and
Speaker 1: the guys I hung around. I never knew that much
Speaker 1: about diet and training. I just hung out with the guys,
Speaker 1: you know, I ate the same thing they ate. I
Speaker 1: you know, train around, you know, the same time and
Speaker 1: with them. Honestly, it wasn't I can remember getting one
Speaker 1: time really big and heavy and uh, you know, Kevin
Speaker 1: Nash and Scott, you know, used to looking at you like, hey, Sean,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're to eighty two ninety. You can't
Speaker 1: match us meal for meal, beer for beer, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you're too you know, you're two fifteen,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can't you know? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, It's like you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't eat that much, can't, you know? And I was like, I,
Speaker 1: you know, because I can eat. I'm a repressed fat
Speaker 1: kid living inside of me that I tried to you
Speaker 1: know that I've had to keep slim and relatively in
Speaker 1: decent shape over the years. But I honestly did, you know,
Speaker 1: never really knew that much about it. I wasn't as
Speaker 1: you know, uh as bright in the gym as the
Speaker 1: other guys were. It was. I was never a gym Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was still early too. I mean the
Speaker 1: information age of you know, training and diet and recovery.
Speaker 1: I mean, no one really did it even in our
Speaker 1: sport back at I mean probably in the nineties. They
Speaker 1: it was starting to transform once you hit that, you know,
Speaker 1: like the two thousands, mid two thousands, twenty tens. But
Speaker 1: I can only imagine, yeah, think about the old diet
Speaker 1: complex that used to talk about, you know, with the
Speaker 1: carbs and this and all that. I mean, hell, that
Speaker 1: stuff's all wrong. Now, yeah you didn't have Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just didn't have all the science behind it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Respectfully, you're going by whatever muscle and
Speaker 1: fitness thet yeah, you know what I mean. And you know,
Speaker 1: and they're talking about guys that are doing the Olympia
Speaker 1: and obviously probably you know, having enhancement help here and there.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So you need about whatever
Speaker 1: you want. I got to ask you because first off,
Speaker 1: sweets and music. One of the most iconic finishers ever,
Speaker 1: the flying elbow beforehand the stomp. Everyone knows that. Comics.
Speaker 1: We shot on each other for each other's acts. We
Speaker 1: make fun of each other's jokes. Did you your cruise,
Speaker 1: Scott Hall, Kevin Nash? Would they ever make fun of
Speaker 1: your moves? Would you guys ball bust over that stuff?
Speaker 1: Well so, yeah, well we used to bust each other
Speaker 1: balls over all sorts of stuff. You know, only stuff
Speaker 1: from an inn ring standpoint, was I don't know stuff
Speaker 1: that we would you know, we see that we you know,
Speaker 1: would tell one another like dude, don't do that again,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's like, that's brutal, that sucks.
Speaker 1: You know. I always tell a story about uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Kevin Nash, big old, huge guy, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was cool that he could leap frog, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so to watch this big dude leap frog,
Speaker 1: and I had him doing it in a couple of matches.
Speaker 1: And then one time, you know, we're driving down the
Speaker 1: road and Scott Hall's in the backseat and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. And Kevin and I
Speaker 1: are up brought me and we're like, all right, what
Speaker 1: he is? How come the biggest guy in the company
Speaker 1: avoids contact? And we sat there and thought about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you're right, I said, Kevin, don't
Speaker 1: ever leap frog again, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, We're just there were just times
Speaker 1: that you know, we would we would call it monitor
Speaker 1: time where on TV days, you know, you'd sit there
Speaker 1: and you'd watch guys matches and you just rip them
Speaker 1: the shreds, you know what I mean, just you know it,
Speaker 1: you know, pick apart little things that you know they
Speaker 1: saw wrong and stuff like that. So we did that.
Speaker 1: We did that a bunch with one another. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like anything. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a locker room full of athletes. So there was you
Speaker 1: know a fair amount of ribbon and and mess around
Speaker 1: going on behind the see. Hell yeah, I mean that's crazy. Now.
Speaker 1: We all know the famous song Sexy Boy, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if did you? Did you write that song? No,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart, Yes, So I ended up singing. Jimmy Hart
Speaker 1: wrote it and originally sensational shering sung it, and then
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart came to me one dime. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe look we're thinking we got this great idea, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you sing your song. And I was and I said,
Speaker 1: I said, Jimmy Gott, I can't. I can't carry it out.
Speaker 1: My voice is deep. I said, I can't sing it all.
Speaker 1: I says, don't you worry. We'll get the studio. You know,
Speaker 1: We've got all the stuff that we can do. We
Speaker 1: can fix it. And I was like, I was like, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll give it a try. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I can't. I can't carry a note
Speaker 1: to save my life. But they somehow, you know, they
Speaker 1: do all that cool stuff they do with music, and
Speaker 1: and look, I never when I was going through this
Speaker 1: process of that song and my character and everything else,
Speaker 1: you know, in your in your in the theater of
Speaker 1: your mind, you're picturing yourself being maybe a bit more
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like madly and a bit
Speaker 1: more like I figured it would be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it'd be more kind of a rougher, tougher as kicking
Speaker 1: type guy. And but then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: turned into this I don't know, this dude wearing ass
Speaker 1: list chaps and shaking my ass and dancing and half
Speaker 1: strip teasing and stuff like that. But the more I
Speaker 1: did it, the more natural, the more just the better
Speaker 1: it felt, and I could just really, I don't know,
Speaker 1: unleash and just sort of become whatever it is I wanted.
Speaker 1: But I never imagined it that way. And same with
Speaker 1: the music. It just got to where it ended up
Speaker 1: just being perfect for me. But it wasn't. It was
Speaker 1: not my idea by any stretch. It was just something
Speaker 1: that sort of happened and that I morphed into with
Speaker 1: the music and with the gear, and the more I
Speaker 1: went out there, the more I went out there, was Sherry.
Speaker 1: The more comfortable I got with it, and it just
Speaker 1: became I don't know, to where me and the character were,
Speaker 1: you know, damn identical. That's the best when it comes out.
Speaker 1: I mean authenticity, you know, especially I've been working with
Speaker 1: an acting coach. You know, it's not about right or wrong.
Speaker 1: It's about truth, truth and beliefs or truth beliefs and
Speaker 1: I don't know, something like that. But uh, he's not
Speaker 1: paying attention, not paying attention. Sorry, all right, but let's
Speaker 1: get into the match. Iron Man match WrestleMania twelve. What
Speaker 1: the hell are you thinking when they pitch you a
Speaker 1: sixty minute match? Now, this has got to be that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's got to be crazy. Well, so, look,
Speaker 1: on one hands, I know that they this was something
Speaker 1: that you know, one of the guys in our company,
Speaker 1: Pat Patterson, he always wanted, you know, to have an
Speaker 1: iron Man match. He felt that Brett and I were
Speaker 1: the two guys that could do it. Brett and I
Speaker 1: felt like we were the two guys that could do it.
Speaker 1: But at that time in the business, you know, having
Speaker 1: an hour match on a pay per view is a
Speaker 1: huge ask, you know what I mean, can you keep
Speaker 1: them interested for an out, you know, can you build
Speaker 1: this match in a way that's you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if the viewer doesn't get you know, board stiffed
Speaker 1: in the process. So that was that was honestly the
Speaker 1: biggest hurdle for this match is you know, continuing to
Speaker 1: make it exciting and continue to build, you know, till
Speaker 1: the very end. And of course one of the ways
Speaker 1: you can do that is by having a number of
Speaker 1: falls in the match, So you can have sort of
Speaker 1: a number of smaller matches, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and have a guy win three falls to two falls.
Speaker 1: But you know, Brett and I really wanted to just
Speaker 1: have it come down to one fall. And certainly at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, there's always been you know, from
Speaker 1: from the old school guys, there was always this kind
Speaker 1: of I don't know, this badge of honor that you
Speaker 1: wore if you could go out there and do an
Speaker 1: hour you know what I mean, I did an hour
Speaker 1: with you know, you you would hear stories growing up
Speaker 1: in the business from guys like Flair, Harley, Ray's, Jack Briscoe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember in seventy three, you know, me and Funk
Speaker 1: we did an hour straight in Saint Louis Place was
Speaker 1: sold out to the rafters. Should have seen it, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, your kids today don't know.
Speaker 1: You know what we went through going an hour, you know,
Speaker 1: So it was it was one of those things that
Speaker 1: you wanted to be able to say. In nineteen ninety six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there was that time WrestleMania twelve, Hart and
Speaker 1: I went for an hour sold out Anaheim Pond. You know,
Speaker 1: just no walk in the Park boys, you know. So
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things. And I
Speaker 1: don't know it was it was a badge of honor.
Speaker 1: It's just something that not many people could say they
Speaker 1: did that's bad. And so you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that was a big moment for us. But honestly, that
Speaker 1: was the most intimidating thing, was going an hour and
Speaker 1: making it exciting. Oh oh, I mean was it weird
Speaker 1: because you and Brett are kind of the stars of
Speaker 1: the show. I mean, I mean, this is you're coming up.
Speaker 1: Brett has been there, I guess a little longer than
Speaker 1: you he thirty nine or thirty one. Was it hard
Speaker 1: being these two, you know, stars when you didn't get
Speaker 1: along well. So at that time, Brett and I were
Speaker 1: getting along pretty well. I mean, so this that was
Speaker 1: that was the screw job in Montreal, A lot of
Speaker 1: that's when they went down exactly. That was long before
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. So this was honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, very you know, pretty dark, you know, amicable
Speaker 1: time for Brett and I. So it was more about, honestly,
Speaker 1: were you close to this going out there and having
Speaker 1: the hell of a match at this time? Would you
Speaker 1: say you and Brett were close? Yeah, look, I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean we were certainly you know, far and away,
Speaker 1: way better than we were later on down the line.
Speaker 1: We were certainly on the same page. It was this
Speaker 1: was the place where you know, Brett had you know,
Speaker 1: probably had the title for a year or two, but
Speaker 1: he had always you know, he'd expressed it once that
Speaker 1: you know that he felt like I would be the
Speaker 1: next guy you know what I mean, that that would
Speaker 1: be taking that championship. And so as far as all
Speaker 1: of that was concerned from a professional standpoint, I think
Speaker 1: we were we were pretty good. You know, there's always
Speaker 1: clearly there's always a little uncomfortableness with the guy who's
Speaker 1: losing the title to a guy that's gaining it because
Speaker 1: it's sometimes more often than not, it means a transition
Speaker 1: from a company standpoint, from going of one way of
Speaker 1: doing things to another. And so, you know, I certainly
Speaker 1: think that when you go from a title from Brett
Speaker 1: to me, just from going to Brett in the first
Speaker 1: place was more of an acknowledgement that we were getting
Speaker 1: into more of the guys that could wrestle for long
Speaker 1: periods of time, that could put on fantastic matches, as
Speaker 1: opposed to the champions of the past, like a Hogan.
Speaker 1: You know, that was more just a I don't know,
Speaker 1: he was a huge selling point, but it wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: a thirty minute match that he was selling you on.
Speaker 1: It was a ten or fifteen minute match that he
Speaker 1: was selling you on, but it was hul Coke. Did
Speaker 1: you respect someone like Brett way more than a Hulk? Well,
Speaker 1: look at that time, you certainly do, because you're into
Speaker 1: that version of wrestling, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: think over time, I've really come to understand and appreciate
Speaker 1: what it is to draw money period, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And to understand that you don't this business
Speaker 1: doesn't get where it's at without guys like hul Cogan,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, without guys like Steve Austin
Speaker 1: the Rock, you know what I mean, all those guys
Speaker 1: were fantastic. You know, well look and look, I think
Speaker 1: there's me and there's Brett. I think there's a number
Speaker 1: of us. But look, that was a time, I will say,
Speaker 1: admittedly where we felt that it was more about work rate,
Speaker 1: as we would call it, than it was just being
Speaker 1: a big name. Well, you guys were wrestlers, wrestlers, I
Speaker 1: think you Brett Flair, guys like that. And then there's
Speaker 1: guys who are kind of like big ticket guys who
Speaker 1: aren't in ring as gifted as guys like the three
Speaker 1: of you. You know, yeah, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: fair statement. And you know, again, when you're younger, like
Speaker 1: I said, you sort of you're proud of that, and
Speaker 1: of course you want that to be, you know, the
Speaker 1: flavor of the day. I mean, this was pretty much
Speaker 1: the gateway to the attitude era because he was the
Speaker 1: old school boxer, I mean, old school superstar. You were
Speaker 1: kind of that new young punk guy, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of cocky, that was like your swag about it. So
Speaker 1: this almost foreshadowed going into like pretty much our generation
Speaker 1: of what we used to watch, because that was still
Speaker 1: like I felt that Brett Hart was still like part
Speaker 1: of the little He was more of the old school
Speaker 1: and you were more a news school going into this fight.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that or no? Well, yeah, well
Speaker 1: so certainly, well yeah, well certainly Brett was come from
Speaker 1: a more traditional purist background than I was. And look,
Speaker 1: part of the idea that got me turned into a
Speaker 1: good guy was that was because of my bad guy persona. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was because of the cockiness and the brashnurs Now
Speaker 1: when I went to being a good guy winning the championship,
Speaker 1: they wanted me to be a different kind of good guy,
Speaker 1: which obviously history would tell us that that wasn't the
Speaker 1: right move, you know what I mean that people preferred
Speaker 1: the Shawn Michaels with attitude and arrogance and brashness and cockiness.
Speaker 1: But you know that was again that was still us
Speaker 1: trying to get out of that traditional purest style. So
Speaker 1: in some ways it was a bit of a transition, yes,
Speaker 1: but from a company standpoint, Vince still felt like the
Speaker 1: good guys should be a bit more wholesome as opposed
Speaker 1: to a good guy with an attitude, which wouldn't come
Speaker 1: to pass until, you know, a couple of years later. Yeah, well, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think my bad guy aspects did
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, trying to put me
Speaker 1: in that box of being a good guy's good guy
Speaker 1: was a little difficult, especially at that time in my life,
Speaker 1: because you know that and the real guy, we're we're
Speaker 1: not wholesome, shall we say? Yeah, is it? It's got
Speaker 1: to be more fun being the bad guy, though, it's
Speaker 1: got to be more fun getting booze. It's well, look
Speaker 1: that I don't know anybody that doesn't enjoy being a
Speaker 1: bad guy better than you know, yeah, because it's just
Speaker 1: so much You're so much more freedom. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I always loved everyone always asked me,
Speaker 1: you know, do you love playing at Foxborough or do
Speaker 1: you like I love playing on the road. You go
Speaker 1: play it, you know, New York and these and these
Speaker 1: fans are throwing dildos on the field and ship like
Speaker 1: that's the kind of ship I used to love. And
Speaker 1: it's quieting them down, and I would embrace my inner
Speaker 1: fucking superstar wrestler mentality, and I literally they put myself
Speaker 1: in a mindset like I'm a fucking I'm a villain.
Speaker 1: It's it's respect. I mean, I remember I was doing
Speaker 1: a show in Buffalo and I mentioned Julian's name and
Speaker 1: they all started booing, and I was like, that's respect.
Speaker 1: That's because they respect like it takes. It takes you
Speaker 1: from a performance standpoint, I think, to another level. I mean, Gil,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you guys, everywhere you went, you guys
Speaker 1: were you know, after a while, you guys were hated everywhere.
Speaker 1: We were like this someone that had coming into town.
Speaker 1: Everyone hated it, you know what I mean. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and that's because of that success. But that's that's what
Speaker 1: I don't know, certainly for me, I know, that's what
Speaker 1: almost pushed me to even be better and greater each time,
Speaker 1: because again, the more they wanted you to fail, the
Speaker 1: more you upped your game. And so yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: one just feeds the other. And I don't think people
Speaker 1: understand it. The more they do that, the better it
Speaker 1: makes you and the harder you are to be. Proving
Speaker 1: people wrong is always fun. But let's get let's get
Speaker 1: into the match. Beginning of the match starts and everyone
Speaker 1: says it's kind of slow, but you know, everyone says
Speaker 1: it started slow. I'm sitting here, these guys are about
Speaker 1: to wrestle for fucking sixty minutes. Like maybe they're like like,
Speaker 1: let's feel, let's feel, let's feel each other out. Like
Speaker 1: how did you how did that beginning? Like was that
Speaker 1: the plan? Like, all right, we're gonna build this thing up.
Speaker 1: And I heard you guys, only you designed this twenty
Speaker 1: minutes before the match? What you guys were gonna say?
Speaker 1: We well, no, so we we knew we okay, so
Speaker 1: we knew we were in the hour. But I know,
Speaker 1: like a week or two before, I know, Brett sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, came to me. He said, like, hey, how
Speaker 1: about we do this in like, you know, you think
Speaker 1: of the first thirty and I'll give some thought to
Speaker 1: the last thirty, and then you know, like a day
Speaker 1: before we'll sort of come together and see where we're at,
Speaker 1: you know, and and of course you know you also
Speaker 1: you know, we also talked about like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: we're out there for an hour. We can probably do
Speaker 1: darn near sort of every move under the sun. You know,
Speaker 1: think about stuff you haven't done in quite a while.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's really just think about what we can
Speaker 1: do to open up sort of playbooks, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And so that's honestly what we did kind of separately.
Speaker 1: But then I think a day or two before we
Speaker 1: just sort of came together and you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of prepare notes or show you know, show each other's notes.
Speaker 1: But again, back then you just can't. Really. That's the
Speaker 1: one upside of going an hour is that there is
Speaker 1: no rush, you know what I mean, You're not having
Speaker 1: to race against timeques and stuff like that, and you
Speaker 1: can sort of go out there and get a feel
Speaker 1: for what it is you want to do and where
Speaker 1: you're going. So that's honestly what we did. We had
Speaker 1: a couple sort of what we call signposts in the road,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, certain places at the match where
Speaker 1: you want to go like, Okay, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is where we ought to be at about twenty, this
Speaker 1: is where we need to be about thirty, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and the forty five and then you know,
Speaker 1: obviously those last five you really want to make sure
Speaker 1: you nail down and button down. But look, it's just
Speaker 1: a whole different way of trying to, I guess have
Speaker 1: a match, you know, I mean, it's just unlike anything
Speaker 1: you've done before, because it's you know, it's stuff, stuff
Speaker 1: you haven't done before, so you got to go about
Speaker 1: it differently. But yeah, I mean, of course you got
Speaker 1: to start off. Look, I would argue, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'll say this, Look, you know what
Speaker 1: time in history does I mean people like starts out slow?
Speaker 1: And well that's because now you know what's going in
Speaker 1: an hour. You know what I mean. You've been told
Speaker 1: and heard that it starts slow, so you know it's
Speaker 1: it's exactly now what everything you hear that it is.
Speaker 1: But I think at the time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: when you're go in with the unknowns of not knowing
Speaker 1: how many falls we're going to do, how many falls
Speaker 1: are coming, because it is a marathon matter where you
Speaker 1: know you can add up falls. So clearly it builds slow,
Speaker 1: but it starts slow, but you don't know where it's going.
Speaker 1: And the thing is you can't ever you can't ever
Speaker 1: recreate the first you know what I mean? And again
Speaker 1: you know very well a play that you know again
Speaker 1: dazzled them, you know again in nineteen ninety seven, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or two thousand and three, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing it on a number of you know, number of
Speaker 1: highlight reels and then you know, calling it again, you
Speaker 1: know in two thousand and twenty two, it's not quite
Speaker 1: the same, you know what I mean. But the first
Speaker 1: time it was very different. It was innovative and it worked.
Speaker 1: And look, that's one of the that's one of the
Speaker 1: minds that you have to go into watching this match.
Speaker 1: And I don't think a lot of people have the
Speaker 1: ability to do that now so many years, you know,
Speaker 1: distant from it. This was like the first time. I remember,
Speaker 1: we're like fifteen minutes were fought outside the ring, and
Speaker 1: I would say the momentum and when I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what the fuck is when you kicked
Speaker 1: the timekeeper Tony Schimmel. So yeah, now that was that
Speaker 1: in the was that in the process of like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick this dude right in the face, you
Speaker 1: move your head or what? Or did that just happen
Speaker 1: because it didn't look that dude took took that boot
Speaker 1: to the face at that I'm telling you. Wasn't he
Speaker 1: stretched out? Yes, yeah, yeah he was, and it was
Speaker 1: it was, you know, pretty good in there, but you know,
Speaker 1: very very honored decided. I don't you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: injure anybody. But no, that was something he did. He
Speaker 1: was stretchered off. Kay, he was fucking stretchered off. Well,
Speaker 1: different difference between hurt, didn't say I didn't hurt him,
Speaker 1: hurt and injured injury exactly football guys to coach him.
Speaker 1: Look at you, Hey you heard are you injured? Coach?
Speaker 1: I'm hurt? All right, we'll see you get back in right, hurt,
Speaker 1: you can survive and get back in there. You keep going,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I'm sorry. No, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: say that was something that somebody had suggested that we
Speaker 1: thought was freaking fantastic. But no, that is not anything. Again,
Speaker 1: this was a time in our business. You didn't go
Speaker 1: over stuff. You didn't you were a prop. You don't
Speaker 1: get out there, you don't practice. This is one of
Speaker 1: those things that you go like, Okay, this is what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, all right, and you go out there and
Speaker 1: you make it happen, and you trust that everybody's going
Speaker 1: to be there and do what they have to do.
Speaker 1: And of course being out there with a guy like Brett,
Speaker 1: that was absolutely no problem. I knew he was going
Speaker 1: to get out of the way. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: it was just a matter of for you how I
Speaker 1: ended up kicking Tony. I mean you talk about Brett
Speaker 1: just making the right decisions, and like you improvise so
Speaker 1: much with Brett because you can. I mean, there's so
Speaker 1: much that can happen there. But uh, you've been in
Speaker 1: some epic matches going up to this, I mean the
Speaker 1: Ladder match Rais or Ramone, Like, was there something about
Speaker 1: Brett in the ring where you're like, oh shit, this
Speaker 1: is like this was there a point in this match
Speaker 1: where you're like this is special? Well, because he was
Speaker 1: always technically like one of the best. Yeah, Like you
Speaker 1: could always tell, like if you watch your guys' match,
Speaker 1: like you could always tell, as you know, these guys
Speaker 1: are executing their fucking shit right, and everything looks extremely
Speaker 1: like it's very painful, it's hurts. I mean, everything was smooth,
Speaker 1: the transition from each guy, Like the athleticism wise, the
Speaker 1: actually you know, the wrestling, it was insane. Like, so look,
Speaker 1: because he is unbelievably precise in all of that. And
Speaker 1: and I will say being in there with a guy
Speaker 1: like him makes you better, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: in that kind of stuff where you where again, I
Speaker 1: feel like I had all the flash, the dazzle. I
Speaker 1: think I was good wrestling, But I I've always said,
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about you know, I know there.
Speaker 1: I got asked on an interview once like, who's a
Speaker 1: better wrestler? You were Brett Hart and I just and
Speaker 1: I you know, for the first time it dawned on
Speaker 1: me like, oh, better wrestler, Brett, for sure, Brett better,
Speaker 1: you know, better performer, showman, performer me. But there's a difference.
Speaker 1: But Brett was so precise and so good and everything
Speaker 1: he did that I felt like it made me better
Speaker 1: and more attentive to all of those things, to the transitions,
Speaker 1: to the working of the holes. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I always I always enjoyed about him
Speaker 1: because he just always made people better. To answer your
Speaker 1: question is yes, you know, yeah, you feel pressure because look,
Speaker 1: nobody has a bad match for Brett Hart. Thankfully at
Speaker 1: that time, you know, nobody was having bad matches with me.
Speaker 1: So between the two of them, we understood, you know,
Speaker 1: the pressure and the bar at which the two of
Speaker 1: us had set, and that's where it all comes down to.
Speaker 1: You have to deliver on that bar and that's a
Speaker 1: pressure and a burden both of you are carrying in
Speaker 1: that match. But you know, obviously you know your rise
Speaker 1: to that and that's what makes you better. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then the end of the fight, legendary finish. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone's ever not tapped in the sharpshooter. He gets
Speaker 1: you in there, hold it for thirty two seconds. We
Speaker 1: think it's a draw. I'm like ten years old, Like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? It's a draws resume in no way
Speaker 1: Brett Hart leaves the arena or leaves the ring. They
Speaker 1: call him back in. You have to do it. You're
Speaker 1: dazed and confused and get the sweet chim music like
Speaker 1: the ending was the ending was gnarly. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is this is an epic match. I mean is
Speaker 1: this Where does this rank all time for you as
Speaker 1: a Shawn Michael's match, and where does this rank all
Speaker 1: time for you is a WrestleMania match. So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's extremely special and here the top obviously in both
Speaker 1: categories there because you know it's it's WrestleMania, it's with Brett,
Speaker 1: it's an hour, and it's for the championship. Those are
Speaker 1: worlds that believe it or not. Those don't always come along,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean a lot of guys win world titles,
Speaker 1: but they're not all at WrestleMania. They're not in the
Speaker 1: main effect, you know, they're not in a first time,
Speaker 1: ever done match, you know what I mean. So when
Speaker 1: all those worlds come together, it's hard for it not
Speaker 1: to be special. And I think that's it's it's because
Speaker 1: it's what it is in all those categories. It has
Speaker 1: its own place, and it sits there in specialness, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean that, I think it lives on
Speaker 1: its own. Look, there are times that you know, again,
Speaker 1: people have been critical about the match, you know, they
Speaker 1: and of course everything you go back and you look
Speaker 1: at and you go like, well, yeah, I know I
Speaker 1: might have changed this, might have changed that. That's just
Speaker 1: the I don't know. I think that's just the professional
Speaker 1: in all of us. You know that. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I've ever had a match that I go back
Speaker 1: and I look at and I go like, well, I
Speaker 1: could have done this better, I could have done that better.
Speaker 1: But I think I don't know. I think everybody does
Speaker 1: that because they're you know, their their own worst critics.
Speaker 1: But you know, I look back on so much of
Speaker 1: my career I'm proud of. I don't I got to
Speaker 1: do a lot of really cool stuff that I look
Speaker 1: back on other guys' careers and they didn't have as
Speaker 1: many of those cool moments as I did. That is
Speaker 1: certainly one of them. Uh, and I'm honored to I
Speaker 1: don't know again, the fact that you get to have
Speaker 1: a whole show where you talk about it, lets you
Speaker 1: know how you know, lets you know how cool that
Speaker 1: matches and how how you know reigns in the in
Speaker 1: the hearts of other people that watched it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys are the main event for an
Speaker 1: hour in a WrestleMania like that's that's a token of
Speaker 1: how good you guys were because you're taking time from
Speaker 1: other people. I mean, that's that's when you guys were
Speaker 1: the stars of the of the world at that time.
Speaker 1: You both yet well it's it's it's one half or
Speaker 1: one third of them, you know, of an entire paper,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just for you guys, where
Speaker 1: do you you know what I mean? And that was
Speaker 1: huge and unheard of at the time. Where do you rank?
Speaker 1: I mean, who's your number one wrestler? Is Flair? Your guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'll just always you know, I'll always
Speaker 1: lean to Rick for sure. What Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: just because he's the one that made this job look
Speaker 1: like it was the coolest job in the world, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just I knew that I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, but then he just sort of
Speaker 1: encapsulated everything that you imagined the job would be and
Speaker 1: could be. And so, uh yeah, I'll always I think
Speaker 1: I'll always lean to Rick as being my guy. Look
Speaker 1: right behind that false Tully Blanchard and Wahu mc daniels,
Speaker 1: because those are the two guys I started out with
Speaker 1: in Texas. But uh, you know, I think when everything
Speaker 1: said and done, it comes down to Rick. Wow, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about being the one that ended his
Speaker 1: career again honored because of everything that you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know it meant to him and to me to
Speaker 1: have that, you know again, that was that was the
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid in me going out there with
Speaker 1: the guy that you know, I just admired for so
Speaker 1: long and having the opportunity to take him, I think
Speaker 1: to a moment and something in his career that he'll
Speaker 1: remember forever. That's where again, I don't know, I guess, Julie,
Speaker 1: don't you know when you guys share a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: moment or a I don't know, a pass and a
Speaker 1: reception and a play that you know, people will never
Speaker 1: forget in our little world. I guess that's how it
Speaker 1: is for us, you know what I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: able to do something with someone that means more to
Speaker 1: you than just a teammate, and you're able to take
Speaker 1: him to do something that he puts at the very
Speaker 1: top of his career. I don't know that was that
Speaker 1: was very important to me. I guess. So it has
Speaker 1: a lot of personal uh you know, respect in my
Speaker 1: heart as well a lot of things with sports. When
Speaker 1: people don't realize the relationships you have with men that
Speaker 1: you compete with, compete against, uh, you know, those are
Speaker 1: the things that you take away. Like we can sit
Speaker 1: here and talk about all the party and the matches
Speaker 1: of this that, but it's probably the relationships. And I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that you take away from this thing that that
Speaker 1: you cherish for the longest, you know, the longest time.
Speaker 1: For me. Yeah, no, I apologize to me. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you get out of here, Get out of here. Now.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do a little uh lettle make believe you're
Speaker 1: you're you're booking with next right now, say you had
Speaker 1: to rebook the fight between you and Brett Hart in
Speaker 1: the Ironman match. What would you change it? Would you
Speaker 1: do something different? How would you do it? Well? So
Speaker 1: look now here in in NXC now, I think if we, uh,
Speaker 1: if we had an hour marathon match, look, I think
Speaker 1: we could, depending on if we I don't know if
Speaker 1: i'd go to the one fall. If I did go
Speaker 1: to just the one fall, I wouldn't go to the overtime,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think you'd capture it
Speaker 1: in the last I don't know, fifty nine thirty five
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like you think it's going down
Speaker 1: to the wire, and I think I would. Nowadays, you
Speaker 1: would have to up the pace a bit. You'd have
Speaker 1: to have your wins. You'd have to keep it moving
Speaker 1: faster than we did I think at the beginning, to
Speaker 1: keep them interested. And that's if you don't go with
Speaker 1: several falls throughoute. I think we'd go to several falls.
Speaker 1: It's a much easier build to come down where you
Speaker 1: can tie it up, you know, say to apiece and
Speaker 1: then you're coming down to fifty nine thirty, fifty nine forty,
Speaker 1: and then you capture that last fall at fifty nine
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Oh my goodness, it's the new world champion.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. Yeah, how are you and Brett? Now? Fantastic?
Speaker 1: Brett and I saw each other last WrestleMania, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know so we are. Obviously with a number of
Speaker 1: the A documentaries and stuff like that, they've done many
Speaker 1: on Brett and myself and of course the story in
Speaker 1: Montreal and everything else. But yeah, we saw each other
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania, and it was it was unbelievably nice, very pleasant.
Speaker 1: We're both in a great place in our lives. And
Speaker 1: again I always, you know, I always uh sort of comment,
Speaker 1: you know, because I think he knows how important it
Speaker 1: is to me for us to be where we're at.
Speaker 1: And he always sort of just pats me on the shoulder.
Speaker 1: And Andre Brett's always had just a very calming, uh
Speaker 1: you know, presence about it, and he pats me on
Speaker 1: the shoulder, shoulder and just it quietly says, we're good, show,
Speaker 1: We're good, you know what I mean. And uh, and
Speaker 1: I know that he means that and again to me
Speaker 1: for both of us to be at this place in
Speaker 1: our lives and for us to have experienced so much,
Speaker 1: you know, both together and individually away from the ring,
Speaker 1: personally and professionally. I think we're at a fantastic spot.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't change it for anything in the world. I love
Speaker 1: it now, Sean. You know, I'm a free agent. I
Speaker 1: know you're you're doing this whole you know n x
Speaker 1: T you kind of mentor these young wrestlers. If I
Speaker 1: were to give it a shot, you know what, persona
Speaker 1: should I go? You think I have an opportunity right low?
Speaker 1: Do it? You're gonna have to go? Oh yeah, you could?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? We took a punter for having I
Speaker 1: mean that all right. And you, my friend, you know,
Speaker 1: are way more athletic than McAfee. So and you know,
Speaker 1: you know that was pretty darn good. So, you kid,
Speaker 1: you'd be a piece of cake. Man, you'd be a
Speaker 1: you'd be a machine. Plus with your work ethic data,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be tough. I'd have to be a villain. I
Speaker 1: think did we could? We could have you? Oh for sure?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that look that just comes to astal
Speaker 1: and plus down here in Florida. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean they love you know, come from New England. You
Speaker 1: don't have a chance do matter where you're actually from, mister,
Speaker 1: as far as everybody's concerned, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're in New England, patriot, and that's it, so they'll
Speaker 1: blew you out of the building no matter where. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I used to welcome it.
Speaker 1: I used to say, I'm like Pop, I am what
Speaker 1: I am. I'm just giving you a little, uh little
Speaker 1: something maybe to work with another one, Julie, because you
Speaker 1: you were famously in playgirl. Do you think Julian could
Speaker 1: pull that off? Yeah? Well are you still in shape?
Speaker 1: I'm in shape, Coach, got the apps going and everything? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as are there? Abs are there? La? It's all I've learned.
Speaker 1: If you got the ads, you can damn there get
Speaker 1: away with anything. Yeah. You know, my legs have shrunken
Speaker 1: a little just because of the load. But that's a
Speaker 1: good thing in other areas and makes other things look bigger.
Speaker 1: So I think I'm actually in a good spot right now.
Speaker 1: Load A load makes my legs shrink too. Actually, how
Speaker 1: how many kids do you think I suspended? To take
Speaker 1: it from me? Go ahead? I'm sorry a lot no
Speaker 1: one was gonna say, don't be safe with me that
Speaker 1: I always cover up the legs, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: We got ways of accentuating the body parts need to
Speaker 1: be accentuated. That's what this business is. An answer your question.
Speaker 1: More kids got expelled that I can possibly shake a
Speaker 1: stick out for the degeneration suck it. Oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know who was one of those kids? You know it
Speaker 1: was one of those kids. I got suspended for saying
Speaker 1: suck it or doing a suck it to my my
Speaker 1: pe teacher at lunch, and a lady walking by flagged
Speaker 1: him down, told him I end up getting suspended for
Speaker 1: a day of school because I said suck it. At
Speaker 1: least you know it was all right. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: gave him a double jump. Fucking give one of those
Speaker 1: mister calls, yelled. He already hated me. Teachers knew what
Speaker 1: was coming. If you said, if you're not down with this,
Speaker 1: we got two words for you. I'd get thrown out
Speaker 1: before I could even get to suck it. Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: look that I claim to fame is that now we've
Speaker 1: got girls here doing it. Yeah, that counts his consent again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, you can't you said that. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just saying to actually see I mean, you know, women, kids,
Speaker 1: everybody doing that. It is. It is absolutely hilarious and
Speaker 1: you know, heaven forbid, I hope the world can take
Speaker 1: a joke. Hey, I don't know. This is We're an
Speaker 1: anti cancel podcast, so you don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 1: We take jokes here. Sean mean legend, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Sexy Boy, Heartbreak Kid. He's just
Speaker 1: a sexy boy. Sexy boy. He not your boy tour
Speaker 1: by Heartbreak Kid, the sexy boy, I mean epic. This
Speaker 1: is Honestly, I was so nervous getting into this because
Speaker 1: you're such a huge part of our you know, part
Speaker 1: of me when I was a kid, you know, and
Speaker 1: enjoying uh your career, you know, and now you're working
Speaker 1: with n x T. Yeah. Look, I just gotta say, look,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'm just saying, young man, I've watched you.
Speaker 1: It's been a you know, you were just a hell
Speaker 1: of an athlete, football player, man, and it was I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I appreciate talent, you know what I mean. Uh, when
Speaker 1: I see it, you know what it takes to know.
Speaker 1: I just made a lot of sacrifices, deserved every one
Speaker 1: of those rings. And I appreciate you. I don't know
Speaker 1: having me on man, and I don't know. Let me
Speaker 1: walk down, you know, glory road for a little while. Hey,
Speaker 1: you're still in the glory land, buddy. You you have
Speaker 1: a you have You've done something that not many people.
Speaker 1: I would say, how many WrestleMania champions are there? Not
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, so like that is insane. We
Speaker 1: have so much respect for you. Now you're working for
Speaker 1: the w w E n XT. That what airs on
Speaker 1: Tuesdays eight o'clock on USA. Yes, yeah, yeah, every Tuesday
Speaker 1: night Live eight and I'm sorry eight pm to ten
Speaker 1: pm USA Network. And obviously this weekend premium live event
Speaker 1: on Peacock Halloween Havoc. It's our biggest, you know, premium
Speaker 1: live event of the year. Gonna be a hell of
Speaker 1: a show. Absolutely, you miss it, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't miss the physical stuff. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: to live viciously through these young men and women. It's
Speaker 1: obviously great being a part of the creative and so
Speaker 1: it really is. I love what I'm doing now. I
Speaker 1: love trying to help out the ww for the future
Speaker 1: and and all the young men and women that come
Speaker 1: through this place. It's my honor to help them again
Speaker 1: get to get to be a part of the same
Speaker 1: moments that I got to be a part of. I
Speaker 1: know how great it is to get to do that,
Speaker 1: and to just to be a part in helping them
Speaker 1: do that in their careers. A dig doing it. It's hell,
Speaker 1: it's a hell of a lot of fun. Dude. Well
Speaker 1: we we we thank you so much for taking the time,
Speaker 1: uh and coming out and sharing your stories. It's been
Speaker 1: an unbelievable honor. You're you're a first superstar from w
Speaker 1: w E and we we we picked you on purpose
Speaker 1: because we that match was that transition into that attitude
Speaker 1: period which basically became our childhood. Uh, did we miss anything? No, No,
Speaker 1: I can think of noting the zip line, the zip line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we missed something. The zip line in show up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jerry Lawler streaming, he's chicken out, chicking out, and then
Speaker 1: you come down on the zip line. Pretty bad. That
Speaker 1: was insane. It's probably the best entrance. No, thank you
Speaker 1: for taking the time. Yeah, thank you so much, Sean, dude,
Speaker 1: that was epic. And now we know you have to Actually,
Speaker 1: you really have to be a wrestler. I kind of
Speaker 1: pussed out there, how you I didn't show my abs.
Speaker 1: That could have been my that would give us a taste. No,
Speaker 1: he's not here, but I shouldn't. I should have showed
Speaker 1: him my abs because that this that was pretty much
Speaker 1: an interview. Yeah, that was an interview that I failed.
Speaker 1: You didn't fail. You were great, and and you're gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think he could be. We need to work on
Speaker 1: your persona for like a Florida rest South Florida Hurricane Jewels.
Speaker 1: I keep coming down these streets getting eaten up by mosquitoes,
Speaker 1: seeing how weathered everything looks. I'm a California kid, and
Speaker 1: it's nothing but humidity and trash out here in South Florida.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat him. We're booing, We're booing. This is
Speaker 1: exactly how it sounded after we would come down here
Speaker 1: twice a year to beat the ship out of the
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Yeah, we gotta work on that. That's good.
Speaker 1: I gotta work on that. Yeah, we gotta work on that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad Naples is underwater. Sam with Sam has howth
Speaker 1: Florida hate too. I do. I do himself South Florida. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that meme from that that Dolphins fan. I
Speaker 1: got the most punishable face, will come. Why don't you
Speaker 1: come see me? Okay, why don't you come see me?
Speaker 1: Over here? Raw? Why Julian gives them one super kick?
Speaker 1: I got the most punishable face in here? What street
Speaker 1: are we on? Canal Street, New York, New York? But
Speaker 1: your your two Brook, he doesn't have enough money to
Speaker 1: fly up here. We'll fly you out, coach, but we'll
Speaker 1: fly you out. I'm looking for you. Yeah, let's did
Speaker 1: we get the propst Did we hit it here? In
Speaker 1: my Google doc thankfully not my search bar? Seven sexy boys?
Speaker 1: You know who's excited when you hear that, Kevin Spacey. Alright, No,
Speaker 1: we hit seven sexy boys. That's pretty good. I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we pulled it off the end. I
Speaker 1: heard you you put on the full court press, So
Speaker 1: then I had I went to the double team. I
Speaker 1: went to double team the boys. We could redouble team.
Speaker 1: We cramped it in. Yeah, but it was all potential.
Speaker 1: The legacy for this match, it's one of the greatest.
Speaker 1: I think it had to be. I mean This was
Speaker 1: like the start when you say the iron Man match
Speaker 1: in wrestling, This is the iron Man match, our match,
Speaker 1: Brett Hart, Sean Michaels. Yeah, sexy boy versus what was
Speaker 1: he the executor? The best there is, the best there was,
Speaker 1: and the best will be the hit man, the hit
Speaker 1: man heart. It was cool to see that. It was
Speaker 1: cool to see them. Like you could tell from when
Speaker 1: we were asking Sean questions about Michael. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Sean asking questions about Brett. You could hear it in
Speaker 1: his voice that he loved like they love each other.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're such a huge part of each
Speaker 1: other's history. Even though in the time moment of that
Speaker 1: fight there was hostility that was probably gaining because he's
Speaker 1: you don't want to say the replacement, but there was
Speaker 1: a passion of the torch and someone. I mean, no
Speaker 1: one wants to be the backup quarterback. No, unless you're Jimmy,
Speaker 1: unless you're Cooper Cooper Rush that guys, he's the guy's
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, not this weekend, but he's but he humbled,
Speaker 1: but he's had a good I'm holding my own in
Speaker 1: this fantasy football league. By the way, you beat me
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, I'm holding my own. Dude, you didn't
Speaker 1: start someone and you beat me. You know what, time
Speaker 1: for confession. You guys kept hitting me up like when
Speaker 1: can you do it? I'm like, no nights work for me,
Speaker 1: so I just had to be like, what, I'll figure
Speaker 1: it out. I'm doing it. In between sets of the seller,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Colin Quinn, like what do you think
Speaker 1: of this pick? He's like, I don't fucking know. So
Speaker 1: I'm literally just like trying to figure this out. And
Speaker 1: then I'm like, shit, I'm going on stage auto pick
Speaker 1: for this pick. This guy's run off, get off shit.
Speaker 1: Two more picks I was. I was scrambling. I was like,
Speaker 1: fucking Mahomes, just trying to make shit happen. Homes. I
Speaker 1: delivered you sandbag so hard. You were so unsure of
Speaker 1: your team I was. I was hitting up Jack. I
Speaker 1: was like, how do I look at you? I look
Speaker 1: at you? Yeah. I got fully fucked yeah, because I
Speaker 1: had auto pick. And who'd I get my first pick?
Speaker 1: Some terrible I got, uh the running back Edmunds. I
Speaker 1: got ed Means from Miami. That's my first pick. I
Speaker 1: missed two rounds. I'm out of the league now. Miss
Speaker 1: two rounds. Josh Allen and Saquon were my first two picks.
Speaker 1: Pretty good picks, A really good pick right now. I
Speaker 1: think he's leading everything and you try not to bet
Speaker 1: with your heart, but like I'm a Giants fan, I
Speaker 1: gotta take Saquon and Josh Allen was a good first pick.
Speaker 1: That guy's a fucking tank. Bye bye bye. Anyway, the
Speaker 1: lasting image of this match, what do you think of
Speaker 1: lasting image of this match? For me, yeah, I'd have
Speaker 1: to say him getting out of the sharpshooter. Oh, like,
Speaker 1: that was a huge wrestling move in my household. My
Speaker 1: brother gave it to me, I gave it to my sister.
Speaker 1: Everyone always tapped to see Shawn Michael's not tap and
Speaker 1: bring it into overtime. Yeah, that's spectacular. This is almost
Speaker 1: like the twenty eighth to three game in some ways
Speaker 1: goes into OT, goes into ot on once we knew
Speaker 1: it was going into OT. You knew Shawn Michaels once
Speaker 1: she that's a momentum. It's like football game. Once you
Speaker 1: have the momentum, it's over. But he also, for me,
Speaker 1: the lasting image is him like almost crying sweaty right
Speaker 1: after he pins Brett either that or the super kick,
Speaker 1: because either way, you know, you know, that's Sean's time.
Speaker 1: But also, I mean the entrance was pretty tight. It
Speaker 1: was badass for sure. That's a big image, huge zipline
Speaker 1: fully in. Yeah, that was awesome. The pictures of McMahon
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, in his jeans. He had to try it.
Speaker 1: It's a good boss. You gotta try this stuff. Huh.
Speaker 1: So the name of the name of the of the
Speaker 1: match here? Did we forget anything? Jack? Oh? Sorry? Jack? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do we forget anything? I think we're good on stuff.
Speaker 1: Just a couple of clarifications on a couple of things.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Browns moving in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night with those Mayflower trucks. They were deactivated for
Speaker 1: three years as of ninety six, so they came back
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. It felt like ten years, felt like
Speaker 1: a while, and then felt like ten years for me,
Speaker 1: feeling like a while. That Cleveland Sports Championship drought sixty
Speaker 1: four to twenty sixteen, fifty two years. There's got to
Speaker 1: be more, though. I don't think Detroit's got baseball teams hockey.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville doesn't have one. It's not a sports town. It
Speaker 1: only got one major Dirk one, I only got hockey,
Speaker 1: triple A baseball or something. Uh, yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: long time. And then we talked WrestleMania twelve. We talked
Speaker 1: about getting it for free. Note pay per view over
Speaker 1: here over at uh whose house were we at? Jeff's? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my boy, Jeff. The cost of that pay per
Speaker 1: view twenty nine five. That was a lot of money.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of it. And then yeah, and Monday
Speaker 1: Night Raw longest running weekly episodic program in the US,
Speaker 1: over fourteen thousand original episodes, more than the Simptons Simpsons.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how long has it been going? It has
Speaker 1: been going? Let me see, I think like it was
Speaker 1: close to that was the first time it did longer
Speaker 1: than SNL. Let me see. Yeah, I'm called wait yeah
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, did we miss something or do you
Speaker 1: miss something here? That correction within this that correction eighty
Speaker 1: three or ninety three? Sorry ninety three. So SNL but
Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably some category episode. SNL is only
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty episodes because they take breaks. What about
Speaker 1: Simpsons breaks. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, we're all right, Jack.
Speaker 1: You We never should have questioned Jack dude. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think otherwise, heck of an episode. Well, what's the name
Speaker 1: of the game, guys, what do you think? I mean?
Speaker 1: I think it's the iron Man Match, no doubt. But
Speaker 1: the other option sixty minute men, uh, which is also
Speaker 1: a good grinder profile name the real? What is it
Speaker 1: that I don't want the real sixty minutes? I think
Speaker 1: it's got to be iron Man Match. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's even the debate. It's the iron Man Match. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the iron Man Match. I mean, no, cal Ripkin,
Speaker 1: You're not the iron Man, Sean, Mike respect the caw
Speaker 1: ripkin Man. Actually want you on here? Seanle Ripkins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just the stud. But did you hear that? Wasn't that?
Speaker 1: Didn't they like postpone a game because of Kevin Costner? Oh?
Speaker 1: I love that? Oh my gosh. What happened? Kevin was
Speaker 1: having an affair I think with his wife. He found out,
Speaker 1: got pissed, made an excuse for the team to cancel
Speaker 1: the game. Kevin Costler was having an affair with Cal
Speaker 1: Ripken's wife. I think so. I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: just all speculation, paraphrasing. I could be fully wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Orioles were like, oh, powers out tonight, power outage.
Speaker 1: No power outage, sound like the power went out in
Speaker 1: his household a long time ago. That's my drift. Damn.
Speaker 1: That's brutal. Costner. He's even more evil than on Yellowstone.
Speaker 1: That's fucked up. I mean, Costner is like the baby
Speaker 1: that's not that sucks because Costner's the baseball guy. So
Speaker 1: like the baseball guys, you can't watch Field of Dreams
Speaker 1: Bull Durham for love of the game and love of
Speaker 1: the Rincon's got to avoid a shitload of classics. He
Speaker 1: can't even watch his own sport on the green screen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, do you want to watch He's like, I'll
Speaker 1: watch The Natural? What if? What if Robert Redford Fox's wife?
Speaker 1: Then he's really out of luck. He can't watch any
Speaker 1: sports movie. How we score this game, steaks are it's
Speaker 1: it's high. Stakes are high here. Stakes are pretty high
Speaker 1: because Shawn doesn't win. It's wrestling. There's Wrestlmingia's once a year.
Speaker 1: You don't get a lot of shots. This is the
Speaker 1: super Bowl of wrestling, and this is probably one of
Speaker 1: the strongest times, and it's the two big names in
Speaker 1: the sport. It's got to be stakes have got to
Speaker 1: be like nine something. Am I crazy for this? Kyler's
Speaker 1: annoyed that I'm saying this already. I can tell what
Speaker 1: do you what do you think? Now? It's not nine,
Speaker 1: it's WrestleMania and it's an Iron Man match. Two guys,
Speaker 1: it's not the stone Cold, it's a I would say
Speaker 1: it's probably like I love stone Cold, but I think
Speaker 1: Shawn's a better in ring guy. I think if you
Speaker 1: want to go for name, fine, but we're talking steaks.
Speaker 1: I mean I would say high eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: eight times right, all right? Star power is I know
Speaker 1: you're saying these. I mean they were the biggest name,
Speaker 1: even with the biggest of the time of that time.
Speaker 1: I mean I would say probably a high eight eight eight. Again,
Speaker 1: this is a Michael Irvings score. Damn gameplay, I mean
Speaker 1: you gotta give them props. This is a fucking started
Speaker 1: a little slow. But as you said, it had to
Speaker 1: I had to. Competitive stamina was a huge thing on
Speaker 1: this on this night. Yeah, competitive stamina. I still have
Speaker 1: nightmares of hearing McDaniel's say that we fourteen What do
Speaker 1: you say nine to two for gameplay? I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest wrestling matches ever. I think
Speaker 1: we got it nine two ninety two name the Iron
Speaker 1: Man match. I mean that's pretty it's pretty epic. This
Speaker 1: isn't going to be a high score for us, dude,
Speaker 1: Is it going to be the highest? Though? No? I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's up there. I'm I'm saying probably eight.
Speaker 1: Are you going lower? Low? Eight? Low? Eight? Eight? Four
Speaker 1: A two A two A two? All right, what's our
Speaker 1: what's our total? This is high eight seven. That's one
Speaker 1: of our biggest Eight eight is just an aggressive score.
Speaker 1: I think it fits. Honestly, eight eight puts it at
Speaker 1: number three overall. When what's ahead of it right now?
Speaker 1: Behind Giants Patriots eighteen and one and then Titans Rams
Speaker 1: Super Bowl thirty four, the longest yard an eight nine
Speaker 1: though we really give a lot of process. That guy
Speaker 1: did not care for me at all. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was the jerk off joke to you know, a
Speaker 1: god fearing Christian. Well, I'm a Kurt Warner fearing Jew.
Speaker 1: After that, Jesus Christ. He hated me. Oh man. But
Speaker 1: we're right in front of twenty eight to three. Whoa,
Speaker 1: this just got twenty eight to three just got jumped.
Speaker 1: That's off man. Yeah, can all be winners? That's tough.
Speaker 1: To three is legendary. But this is like, this is
Speaker 1: you do have to give this match? Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big match. It's a big match.
Speaker 1: Although I don't know if there's many wrestling matches I can.
Speaker 1: I want to hear in the comics comment comment section. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys think are we giving it too much? We're
Speaker 1: just too high. I don't know. I think it's gotta be.
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