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Speaker 1: March thirty first, nineteen ninety six, The Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim,

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Speaker 1: Terrible name Annah, I'm California. Wrestl Mania twelve, two men,

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Speaker 1: one referee, Brother sixteen thousand, screaming fans, one belt, sixty minutes,

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Speaker 1: Heart versus Michaels. This is the Iron Man Match. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Games with Names presented by when Bet.

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Speaker 1: I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrel, and we're on a

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Speaker 1: search to find the greatest game ever played. Ever. And

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Speaker 1: on today's episode, Sam, we're talking. We're talking to the

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Speaker 1: Heartbreak Kid and Sean Michaels about the match from WrestleMania twelve. Big, big,

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Speaker 1: big deal. He has a big one. Brett Hart versus

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Speaker 1: Shawn Michaels. Me personally, I was a Brett Hart guy.

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Speaker 1: I low key was too. I was are. I respected Sean.

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Speaker 1: I like Sean Michael. I. I then became a fan

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Speaker 1: of Shawn Michaels in this next like eight month window

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Speaker 1: because he created Generation X right, Degeneration X did he

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Speaker 1: start it? I know it was him. He was part

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Speaker 1: of it. Billy Gunn and the road Dog and uh

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Speaker 1: X poc right. Yeah, that was the crew. They were.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they popularized suck it. That was the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Suck it. Yeah, we'll be joined by Shawn Michaels later,

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Speaker 1: the Heartbreak Kid, the show stopper, show stopper, one of

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Speaker 1: the best, one of the best n ring ever. Like

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Speaker 1: a guy who could do backflips, high flyer everything. When

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Speaker 1: I was watching him, he always had great hit mobility. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like when he got in his little flex pose and

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Speaker 1: he got his little leg like, you have to have

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Speaker 1: really really flexible hips on that. So I respect his

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Speaker 1: hip flexibility as an athlete. Like, I'm gonna get into

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Speaker 1: that with him. Yeah, you know, I wonder what kind

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Speaker 1: of drills he's doing. Is he doing like hurdle drills?

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Speaker 1: Is he doing yoga? But yeah, we'll check that out.

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Speaker 1: This March took place. This match took place in March

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Speaker 1: of ninety six. Yeah, of course at WrestleMania twelve. That's crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was a big one. This had all the big

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Speaker 1: names too. It had Undertaker, Diesel, Big Daddy Cool, you know,

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Speaker 1: Steve aust Steve this one young Steve Austin, Ultimate Warrior.

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Speaker 1: He was there. He was kind of on the he

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Speaker 1: superstar like match with who who was it? Hunter Hurst? Helmsley? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Hunter Hurst, the rich kid from Connecticut before he became Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's my beef with Ultimate Warrior. And because I

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Speaker 1: know you're a fan, I just love that he would

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Speaker 1: sprint out and just slide through like that. That's where

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Speaker 1: my my rundown. I'm the freaking uh like before games,

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Speaker 1: I'd always run down the sideline and I felt like

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Speaker 1: the like just the fucking Ultimate Warrior when I was

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Speaker 1: doing that, I yeah, I get how we could fire

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Speaker 1: you up. My problem was the in ring stuff. Every

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Speaker 1: match was two minutes. He was like a premature ejaculator.

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Speaker 1: He'd promise you the world and then he'd just be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know, yeah, unfortunately I do know. I'm joking.

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Speaker 1: This is a joking podcast. But he was a uh

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Speaker 1: he was just like he wasn't like an in ring

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Speaker 1: guy like these guys sixty minutes. This is like Kamasutra.

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Speaker 1: Well this is I mean this this match was insane because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, two minutes for the Ultimate war this

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Speaker 1: is a sixty minute match. Next the Iron Iron Man match,

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Speaker 1: which I think the previous long was like twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: before that. You have to have some crazy, crazy stanma stamina. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to go out and compete and perform like these two

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Speaker 1: men did for an hour. Like I do this boxing

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Speaker 1: training right now. I'm boxing right now, and these are

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Speaker 1: like three minute little like rounds that you do and

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Speaker 1: you get so tired when you're leaning up against another

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Speaker 1: an hour. And it started out slow. Yeah, it started

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Speaker 1: chugs the water and that was like the bad guy move.

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Speaker 1: It's like he's having water. Yeah, that's how unhealthy this

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Speaker 1: shit is. They're like, don't you had water? I mean,

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Speaker 1: hydration is bad at that time. You got to earn

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Speaker 1: Why are we doing this match? Because I think this

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Speaker 1: put over Sean Michael. I don't think they liked each other.

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Speaker 1: They hated each other. I was watching I was doing

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Speaker 1: some of my research. Yeah, shout out to the research

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Speaker 1: research group of the pod. They did an awesome job. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And they like really hated each other. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: watching one of those documentaries. I guess, Uh, Sean Michaels

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Speaker 1: had I guess different views, and it kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: You just are like you're getting hit and you're like ah,

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Speaker 1: it hurts so much. No but that and then behind

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Speaker 1: like one of those uppercuts he really got them, damn

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Speaker 1: he kicked him. It was like too much. And I

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Speaker 1: They tell each other like one through five they're good,

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Speaker 1: five through eight they're not. I don't know if we're

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Speaker 1: suposed to be talking about this because this is real.

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Speaker 1: This is real, folks, This is real. Wrestling is so real.

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Speaker 1: But they do have number systems to let each other know, like, hey, dude,

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Speaker 1: not talking about your comments section, just tens everywhere. Oh

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Speaker 1: was big. This was a big moment for him, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's his name, The Undertaker's guy, the Paul Bear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He was the early one. He was the first one.

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Speaker 1: was great. Geez, let's go back to March thirty first

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, on this exact day. Number one

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Speaker 1: movie in America, The Bird Cage Classic Never Saw James, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's great, great comedy. I think did Mike Nichols make

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Speaker 1: that movie? Yeah? All right, the Graduate Legend? Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: The number one song in America was Because You Loved

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Speaker 1: Me by Celine Dion. She was she was a monster

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Speaker 1: in the nineties. Oh yeah, the Vegas Show. I think

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Speaker 1: You were definitely gotta have one Celine Dion reference one

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Speaker 1: the first time ever. The MLB opening day was in March.

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Speaker 1: Why this is after the strike? I believe strike. Who

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Speaker 1: were the what do they call him? When you when

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Speaker 1: you cross the line? Those are scabs? Scabs? I wonder

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Speaker 1: that the I want to pick them. Yeah, this was.

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00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: then you have a first bell and then you guys

422
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: can go out and play. So you had to eat,

423
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: and there was old man, mister callous walking by. He

424
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: gave me some lip because I was, like, I mean,

425
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: I was a little little asshole, probably little kid, running

426
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: around trying to make trades for fucking lunchables. And he

427
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: sat me down, yelled at me. He said, you can't

428
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: be up yet, And as soon as he walked away,

429
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: full suck it sign giving them suckets. Yeah, fuck you,

430
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: mister callus, Little fucking ten year old me doesn't see right,

431
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: doesn't see but a lady walking by, literally we had

432
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,239
Speaker 1: a fence. This is terrible podcasting, but I had a

433
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: fence if you can see, yeah, in a chain link

434
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: and a lady walked by and saw me because all

435
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: my boys were laughing and we were all just doing it,

436
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: and she singled me out, called mister callus over, tells

437
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: mister callis and he goes, you flip me off and

438
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: brings me off. This get full suspended? I got. I

439
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: gave you him a sucket sign. He wasn't even flipball.

440
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: Who's sucking? Sigh? I love you begging the principle. I

441
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't say fuck you if I told him to suck

442
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: my pnus what the hell? And you know they're responsible

443
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: for a lot of kids doing oh my well, I

444
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: you know I got suspended. That was literally like your

445
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 1: mom's grounding you, and you're like, mom, if you're not

446
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: down with this, I got two words for you, suck it,

447
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, like now you're grounded an extra weight. My

448
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: mom had my back though. My mom goes, you didn't

449
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: even see it. Yeah, see he didn't do it. Did

450
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: you do the did you do this one? Or did

451
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: you do the crow. I did a full jump spread,

452
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: full jump spread, regular both like you know, when you're

453
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: a kid, you would be going like a bunch yes,

454
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: and he you know, I got caught ray ended. I

455
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: had to shit at home. But that was my story.

456
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: That's great, dude, me in ninety six when I was

457
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: so young, Julian doing the sucket. I did a similar

458
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: thing when I was in school. This was the pop

459
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: the rise of Mick Foley Mankind and mister Soko and

460
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: you probably know where this is going. I came in

461
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: a science class with a sock on my hand and

462
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: this kid, I got him from behind. I socko him

463
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: in the middle of class and the teacher was like,

464
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: get out, get out. But everyone's cheering that I'm sockoing

465
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: a dude, and he's like, oh oh stinky sock. Oh yeah,

466
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: he freaked out. I got I got thrown out of class,

467
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: but I did socco a kid. Did you get in trouble?

468
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got like thrown out and sent to

469
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: the principal. But it was awesome. I socoed a dude.

470
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah that Like the crowd must have been going. They

471
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: went wild. They were like, yeah, oh my god, anytime

472
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: any rebellion went down, the whole collective group of the

473
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: class would just go like, yeah, one for the kids.

474
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: Well it was I was new in school too, so

475
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: it was like it was a risk. I was like,

476
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: if this goes south, I'm a para. But it worked out,

477
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, he's one of us. New to the school.

478
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: You were to the new kid on campus and soco

479
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: socko to kid. Yeah, I went for it. What what

480
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: what you were ten? I was probably like twelve. That's

481
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: that's ballsy. I I I changed schools too, and when

482
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: you're like the new kid in a new school, it's

483
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: like you have to do something. I had to. I

484
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: raced my fastest kid in the school, and that's how

485
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: I got my my my standard. That's like, that's so

486
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: like an eighties movie. I went. I looked at Leo Ortiz.

487
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: I said, they used to do this base race thing,

488
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: and he was a year older than me, but I

489
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: was held back. So we were the same, you're fast

490
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: as hell. And we did the base race and we

491
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: go around second and we collided with each other. We

492
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: hit each other. First day of school there hit each

493
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: other almost like low key kind of knocked out, get

494
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: up and finish the race. One leo, I know you

495
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: remember that, Uh, but that was what I had to do.

496
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: You you go over here and socko someone. See that's

497
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: a comic versus an athlete. That's true. Versus you showed

498
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: your skills. I just got thrown out of class. We

499
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: that's skill right there, you mc mcfoley, shout out mcfoley.

500
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: I did like mankind. Oh he was the best. He got,

501
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: he got. He used to have some crazy like he

502
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: was bleeding on ways. I remember remember remember the ladder

503
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: matching the ladder match and he fell on the tax

504
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: was at the tax I think that was the that

505
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: was the undertake. The hell that was That was love.

506
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: When they got the props, like the hell on the

507
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: cells stuff. I get so disappointed when they didn't. Let's talk.

508
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this one. First off, we got the harp.

509
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Great kid, the show stopper, Shawn Michael's thirty one years

510
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: old at a San Antonio, Texas six one two twenty five.

511
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: He's a high flyer. He's uh, he can. He can

512
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: do the backflips, he could do the flying elbow. He

513
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: did it all. His signature move was, of course, sweet

514
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: chim music. You remember that the He's wind up for

515
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: it by doing that shit. I love that. I tried

516
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: it this morning. I think I may have my hurt

517
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: my hip flexer. Really, you tried to get up. That's why. Yeah,

518
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: I that's why. I was like so impressed with the

519
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: hit mobility. That's where that comment came from. I was like, Oh,

520
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: we're doing Shawn Michael this morning. I was in the

521
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: shower ball naked Berry did a double leg chim music.

522
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that hurt my knee. Maybe I'm

523
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: not ready. Well, this was he outlasted D's on the

524
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble, which is how you got the match up

525
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: with the man. Oh my god. Royal Rumble was always fun.

526
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: It was great. He teased retirement. Did with thirty well,

527
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: because he was thirty one, he was in the league

528
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: or he was in the you know the foundation or

529
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: what is the federation for twelve years. They didn't get

530
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: him a shot. So this was like his time, this

531
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: was his time to shine. This was awesome. Yeah, in

532
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: February he won. He won in your House six over.

533
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be saying no, we could say his name.

534
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: They wrestled his name, suffered a concussion though that's pretty

535
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: relevant these days. Yeah, I'm sure someone nowadays will probably

536
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: be spotting him say hey, you can't wrestle them, or

537
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: you can't be a superstar. Right now, you got to

538
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: go in the protocol to a February. He won in

539
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: your house six over Owen Owen Hart. Yeah, great wrestler

540
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: suffered a concussion. Yeah, at this point, he still didn't

541
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: have the title, arguably never won the belt. At this point,

542
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: he's the greatest effort to never win. Yeah, he was.

543
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: I think who is that in? Like football? Daniel Jones? Maybe,

544
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think, Dan Marino, Dan

545
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: Marino Marino? That is Marin? Charles Barkley and basketball Charles Barkley. Well, Malone,

546
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: you and stocked in that whole nineties missed out because

547
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: the MJ. You know, there's a lot of guys who

548
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paul in today's NBA. Yeah, yeah, and he had

549
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: his fair share of controversy. Did the playgirls spread respect?

550
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: I actually he hung on. I remember I remember what

551
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: the kid Actually, I don't want to refer I can't

552
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: reference him because I don't want his mom to know.

553
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: We found her playgirls WHOA, but we found full playgirls.

554
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting here like it was literally this time

555
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: in my life. I was it was probably like nineteen five,

556
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: ninety five, six, maybe seven. We found my buddy's playgirl,

557
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: mom's playgirls. It was like it was weird, Like I

558
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: didn't realize they had low key kind of traumatizing really No,

559
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't what it sounded. Oh, let his mom get

560
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: some I thought those were predominantly bought by gay dudes

561
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: because I remember the story that Burt Reynolds hung dong

562
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: and so maybe it was his dad's Maybe it was

563
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: his dad's dude. But the story was Burt Reynolds hung

564
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: dong and playgirl thinking like all these chicks would be

565
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: like whoa. And then it was just like he just

566
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: became like a gay icon, little Bert right. Yeah, the

567
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: numbers say it is primarily bought by males. It's mostly

568
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: a dude bought magazine it wow And to save you

569
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: guys at Google search there at home, Shawn Michaels. Didn't

570
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: show dong. Oh it didn't show the Championship girl too.

571
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Didn't he let me look into Eric Dickerson. He just

572
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand. He just hung he just hung butt.

573
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: What did he hang? Yeah, you could. You could see

574
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: both cheeks and then let's see some of these picks.

575
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: The meat was covered by the big belt. So this

576
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: was post WrestleMania twelve. Uh, you got the belt laying

577
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: on his side, belt covering. But then there is a backshop,

578
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: so you can see the cheeks. Damn. Yeah, it would

579
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: have been nice to see him in some ass chraps. Yeah.

580
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Would you ever do Playgirl? I did? I did? Uh?

581
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: I did body issues for Yeah. No, you look great,

582
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: you look great. I wouldn't do Playgirl though, No, no,

583
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: just it's not as classy. I don't know is Playgirls

584
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: round still? I don't even think so. I mean, he's

585
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: a huge name to be in Playgirl. There was Eric Dickerson.

586
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: He did Playgirl? Yeah he did? He hang Dickerson. Let

587
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: me take a look real quick if he I don't

588
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: think he did? He did? I don't think he hanged on.

589
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: What's the point of not but you're going to see

590
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: it through the banana hammock? Really? Oh yeah you could. Well,

591
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: let's get to Brett Hart aka Brett the Hitman Heart.

592
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: At this point in his career, he was thirty nine, Calgary, Canada. Yeah,

593
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Canadian A. I just went to a wedding this past

594
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: weekend and there was a Canadian family. Those people are outrageous.

595
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: They're like their whole country, well, no, just Canadian people

596
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: in general. Like they're insanely nice. But those people know

597
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: how to drink. They drank like they're low key drunks,

598
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: but they're they're happy drunk so that they're never really drunk. Yeah.

599
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Back to Brett Hart signature move was a sharp shooter.

600
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: My sister used to get that a bunch back. I

601
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: used to give the sharpshooter all the time, classic break

602
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: your little back. Uh. Pink and white tights? Were you were?

603
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: He made pink cool. Yeah, you didn't see a lot

604
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: of tough dudes rocking pink at this point. I thought

605
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: it was a it was a power move. It's a

606
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: it's a secure man to rock pink. Yeah, he he.

607
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: He was definitely like a tough guy and he was

608
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: well respected. He wasn't like the whole attitude era, and that's,

609
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of why they kicked him to the curb,

610
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: I think. But toughness like no respect for the best.

611
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: There was, the best there is and the best there

612
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: ever will be. Bret the hit Man. Heart got to

613
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: show that guy some respect. Wish we had him on

614
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: this episode too. Yeah, but you know, no, he wasn't

615
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: ready for it, and he wasn't ready for it. The

616
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Heart versus Michael's rivalry before the Iron Man, The Heart Fed,

617
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: the Heart Foundation, Heart and the Avil Anvil Anvil versus

618
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: the Rockets Michaels and Marty, the Rockers, the Rockers, the

619
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Hard Foundation. It was beating me to it this episode. Geez,

620
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: the Heart Foundation was heard in the Anvil. Jimmy the

621
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: Anvil right, and then the Rockers Michaels and Marty Jannetti.

622
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: Uh nineteen nineteen eighty nine at MSG Oh wow, finished

623
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: in a draw. Hate a draw ninety one. I know

624
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: that was the Cliffhangers. I hated the draws. It makes

625
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: me so mad as a kid. Nineteen ninety one in Tokyo,

626
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: won by the Heart Federation Our Foundation first ever ladder

627
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: match for the Intercontinent Intercontinental Championship. Heart was the holder,

628
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: having captured in nineteen ninety one. It was won by

629
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: Heart the WWF Championship Survivor Series main event. Also Heart

630
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: won it again. Yeah, so this was his time. This

631
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: was the time. He was right for the picking. He

632
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: was Sean Michaels probably thought so so. WrestleMania match. It's

633
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: the super Bowl of WWA. This is the night, this

634
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: is the biggest night. Uh, the Iron Man match. This

635
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: was the first one ever sixty minutes. Who can get

636
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: more pinfalls or submissions in sixty minutes? Uh? You know,

637
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: I think I could be thirty or sixty six sixty? Yeah,

638
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting they count the thirty ones. There were two

639
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: thirty minute ones beforehand. Brett Hart was in both of those.

640
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is a sixty minute one. This is

641
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: the first sixth This was the first sixty in a match.

642
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: This was insane, which you gotta think, that's got to

643
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: be so hard for these guys, like to think when

644
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: you're tired, and like any mistake with these superstars, like

645
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: you could break something neck or arm or like you

646
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Then stone Cold breaking neck in

647
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: one of the matches. I think he didn't he'd get

648
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: the classic, the classic neck brace with the Bud stone Cold. Yeah,

649
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: things we remembered. I remember it started slow, but they

650
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: had they had to start it slow. You know, you

651
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: got to you gotta feel out the match if you're

652
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: doing a three hour porno, they're better be at least

653
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: thirty minutes a dialogue. You can't just go right into

654
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: full penetration. You got to work up to it. And

655
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: that's why they you know, you got to start with

656
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: the four places. Well, they were doing a bunch of

657
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: headlocks and flips and they were showing off. Look, people

658
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: were walking out, but they couldn't handle the greatness the

659
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: technicality of these two. They were technicians, and if you

660
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: watch it, it's like dancing. Yeah, you know, a lot

661
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: of this is like dancing. And to see the fluidity

662
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: of how each of every move they did to each

663
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: other looked like, I mean, it was insane execution for sure.

664
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: You know things we may have forgotten. Some fans billing yeah,

665
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: because of the lack of action at the start. I

666
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's spoiled fans. They don't, you know,

667
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: what are we doing? These guys are about to go

668
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: out there and kick each other's asses for an hour?

669
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: Like we already went into this. Can you imagine maybe

670
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: they didn't understand what it was. Maybe they understand that

671
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: it was because can you imagine leaving and then you

672
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: left one of the great matches in wrestling history. It's

673
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: like those Miami fans who would leave early in the

674
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: finals with the heat, and then the heat won and

675
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: they tried to get back in and they wouldn't let

676
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: them back in. They were like, sorry, dude, maybe they

677
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: had you know, maybe their kids had school early the

678
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: next day, kind of like missed. You know, my buddy Mark,

679
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: he had the kids had school, left the Super Bowl

680
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: a little early that we came back in one twenty

681
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: eight to three. You know, So that's that's the that's

682
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: the consequence of leaving when your kids have school the

683
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: next days. You know, Yeah, you may miss You can

684
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: miss one day though a time story, though classic for

685
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: a lifetime story. You're allowed to miss school. I'm not

686
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: a dad here, Yeah, I'm just saying, these are the

687
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: people that may have left. Yeah, people that may have

688
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: left the arena or any competition, and you know, they

689
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: it's like you kept saying in that twenty eight to

690
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: three game, it's going to be a hell of a story.

691
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: It's going to be all these people lost their story

692
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: if they left. If they left, shame on them, shame.

693
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: So let's uh and the things we also remember, Oh

694
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: Gorilla mon Soon, remember that, dude. No, he instructed Earl Hebner,

695
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: the referee, to continue the match under sudden death rules

696
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: as Heart began to leave with the title because it

697
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: went to overtime. So yeah, this is an hour long match,

698
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: and they kept it going. But by the way, he

699
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: was off the he was off the the ring yet

700
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: already walking in. Yeah, they said no, no, no, no

701
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: is Gorilla mon Soon, the greatest name in wrestling history.

702
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: You can't be a lawyer with that name. I'll be

703
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: your attorney. I'm Guerrilla Monson. Like that, you're you're you're

704
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: running wrestling Gorilla Monson. So there must be a winner.

705
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: I love that. That's you know, have to Even in

706
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: the NFL you could tie, not in the playoffs, though

707
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: not at WrestleMania. Yeah, you can not in the playoffs.

708
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: You cannot tie. And they had the same time, the

709
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: same overtime rules. Here they get back in the ring.

710
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I still don't understand how because if you remember, I

711
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: believe Brett Hart had him in the sharpshooter for like

712
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: thirty seconds and no one ever not tapped out of

713
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: a sharp shooter and then the match ended. They call

714
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: it a draw. Whatever to have the ability with Sean

715
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Michaels to get out of the sharp shooter. He's dead tired,

716
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: give him the sweet chin music and get the title.

717
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: They put him over because when you don't tap out

718
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: of the great guy's great move your first time ever,

719
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: you're now the dude. You're the guy now he is.

720
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: So for the Gaming Corner presented by wind Bet, here's

721
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking we do. Sean Michael sings his own

722
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: theme song. We all know the iconic theme song. I'm

723
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: just a bullet. I'm not your boy toy, I'm sexy boy.

724
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: So you you can how many times can you say

725
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: sexy boy? I think you can hit five? Easy? Five? Well,

726
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: you can hit five because here's why. He's because you're

727
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: able to double up on this one, because if you

728
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: do the chorus too, I'm just I'm just what is

729
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: how's it go? I'm just a sexy boy, sexy boy,

730
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm not your boy toy. Okay, so should we count

731
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: boy toy too? Just sexy boy boy? All right? All right?

732
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I think you can we hit so for five, four

733
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: and a half, four and a half. You can easily

734
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: do this, yeah, four and a half. Sexy boy Gaming

735
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: corner presented by win Bet. What is it? So we're

736
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna go four and a half over under? I think

737
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: that's the boy toy. I think you could hit it easily.

738
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: We'll see. It's just if. Sometimes I get into the uh,

739
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I get into the conversation when we're talking to these people,

740
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: and then I get like, all right, we got the

741
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: shot claw, how long do we have them? Then you

742
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: fully forget the prop bet? Yeah, well over mind you.

743
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: I'll even throw out a sexy boy if I don't

744
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: see you. Is it a joint sexy boy? Count? Should

745
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I jump into four and a half? So then let's

746
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: do six point five, six and seven. We're both doing it.

747
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: We got a hit. If it's both of us easy

748
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: and we can hit seven, that's tough. I'm just gonna

749
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: call him sexy boy. I'm gonna start off. What if

750
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: it opens? If I call you sexy boy and he's

751
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: gonna say no, and we're like, well there it goes

752
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: that that wasn't nothing't worth. Don't ask for consent. I'm

753
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: sexy boy. You just have to go for sexy boy.

754
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: There will be no Consent's just go for it. I

755
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: wonder what kind of guy's gonna be like me too.

756
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: I'm curious. Is he cool? I haven't. Yeah, this is

757
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: I've met some wrestlers. Who is the coolest ones that

758
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: you've met? I used to hang out with Who's Gronks

759
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: boy Mojo? Oh yeah, he's great. Yeah, I used to

760
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: go This was before he was like in the actual

761
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: league or whatever with the WWE. He's with the WWE. No,

762
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I think he should be. We should have that. But Mojo,

763
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: we used to go out in Miami together. These guys

764
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: are maniacs. That's I don't get it because they I

765
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: want to ask Sean about how he parties, because these

766
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: dudes would be on the road the whole year, and

767
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: it's not like they're just on the road. No, they're

768
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: fucking working out. Think about how hard. I wonder what

769
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: their weekly regimen was. Yeah, I want to know. I

770
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: want to know that. There's so much to know anyway,

771
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: Like do they have a couple of days part like

772
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: like scheduled out? All right, I'm going to party for

773
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: him here this day to this day so I can

774
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: recover by match weekend or I don't know. You know,

775
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: we'll find out in a minute. We're about to be

776
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: joined with the Heartbreak Kid himself, the Sexy Boy. That

777
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: one doesn't count, Sewn Michael. We're gonna introduce you here,

778
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: one of the greatest ever do it, an icon, a

779
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: living legend, the Heartbreak Kid, harp A sexy Boy, four

780
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: time WW World Champion, two time Hall of Fame inductee,

781
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: one solo one from d X, two time Woral Rumble winner,

782
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: and the current booker at WW Next. Seawn Michaels, thanks

783
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you very much. Yeah, I know

784
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And look when you guys say thirty

785
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: five and look it's code, it's code for old. But

786
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: I've got but I've come to appreciate it. I really have.

787
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: You know, looking back, I'm very honored to h I

788
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: don't know, you've had so many people kind of grow

789
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: up with you, you know what I mean. Is a

790
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: pretty cool thing when you get to that point later

791
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: in life where you can appreciate that, and that is

792
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: exactly where I'm at now. So thank you guys very much.

793
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: Can you just kind of start this off by telling

794
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: us what your life was like in nineteen ninety six

795
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: going into this. You were thirty one years old, you

796
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: were paying your dues, for so long. This is when

797
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: you first got your your belt, Like, this was like

798
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: probably what you've been working for for so long, but

799
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: you also rock star. So what was life like in

800
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Well, I have to say so, in

801
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six it was as many people know that

802
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: the the life of Shaw and Michael's got pretty dark

803
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: at one time. But in ninety six, again building up

804
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: to this moment, it was it was it was feeling

805
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: like you're going to be acknowledged by you know, the

806
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: company and the industry as being the guy. I mean,

807
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: that's something that the ww Championship I think sort of

808
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: symbolizes in the careers of any guy that gets to

809
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: hold that title, is you know, the industry, the company

810
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: acknowledging you, at least for that moment in time, as

811
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: being certainly one of, if not the best in you know,

812
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: in your field. And so that's honestly the that's the

813
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I think the most satisfying thing for any uh, you know, athlete,

814
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: any talent that comes through the w W when you

815
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: get recognized with a a championship, and certainly the World Championship,

816
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: it's it's just that it's sort of a pat On

817
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: the back of the acknowledgment that you know that you've

818
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: made it that you you know, you're being honored by

819
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: your company and your peers as being the guy that

820
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: they feel like can carry the company. So on one hand,

821
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: it's a huge obviously, uh, you know, opportunity. It's obviously

822
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: a pretty heavy burden as well, but clearly it's everything

823
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: as you said, Julie, that that that you work for

824
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: and it is it's it's culminating obviously at WrestleMania is ideal.

825
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things that again not everybody

826
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: has it happened at WrestleMania. So for me to have

827
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: it happen at WrestleMania and then with the World Championship,

828
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: it was a lot of worlds coming together. That was,

829
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, unbelievably satisfying and you know, felt pretty decent

830
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: at the time. Man, you're on the road at this point,

831
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean what almost a whole year, every almost every week, right,

832
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean that yeah, oh yeah, you're you're on the

833
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: road two hundred and fifty plus days a year. That's

834
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot. I'm a road comic and

835
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: that my body hurts from traveling. You guys you land,

836
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: you work out, you train, I mean, is there time

837
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: to party? Well, look, we made time for that, but

838
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: by all means yeah, there's certainly. The one thing is

839
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: is that there was always after the show and so

840
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: and clearly at this point in my career, I was

841
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: least good about waiting until after the show. I would

842
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: get to a point to where, you know, it was

843
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: any any time of day if I if I felt

844
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: like it, But no, it's certainly it is. Look, it was, uh,

845
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: you know you mentioned it earlier kind of it was

846
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: a kind of a rock star lifestyle. It was. It

847
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: could be a lot of fun and you could be

848
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: obviously the life of the party, a pretty popular guy.

849
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: It was not a bad gig. Shall we say, Now,

850
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: what's a weekly routine? So you had at that point

851
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: raw was coming on, so you had Mondays and you

852
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: guys would do you guys would be traveling all week.

853
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: How did you get your training in? And like as

854
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: an athlete, as a football player, we had to get

855
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: four workouts in each week before the week and you

856
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: had to do it on your own. Did you have

857
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: everything slotted Like? All right, I had my train time here,

858
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: I had my party time here, I had, you know,

859
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: my preparation time here. How was a weekly schedule for

860
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: you guys? You travel on this day because you know,

861
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: as athletes, we're all creatures a habit, especially you know

862
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: you guys are you guys? I mean watching this stuff,

863
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: you guys taking so much beaten? How did you recover? Like?

864
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: What was that weekly schedule? Like, well, so the days off,

865
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: so we do we got to the schedule where we're

866
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: doing wrong on Monday. But Monday doing raw would be

867
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: the last event, so you'd go home Tuesday morning. You'd

868
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: have the rest of the the day. Tuesday, Wednesday, and

869
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: Thursday you'd be at home if you get if you

870
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: didn't have other appearances or something of that nature, that

871
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: was your rest time. That was obviously you know you're

872
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: still training excuse me in the afternoon. But Friday, you

873
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: fly out in the morning, You get to the town,

874
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: you find a gold gym or you find a gym somewhere.

875
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: You go, train, come back, you eat, you go to

876
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: the show. You have the show that night, you're done, ten,

877
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: ten thirty, go back to the hotel, you know, hang out,

878
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: have fun for a little while. Then you get on

879
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: a plane the next morning and do the same thing.

880
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: You fly to the town, you get there, you find

881
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: a gym, you train, you know, wash rints and repeat, geez,

882
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: and you do that throughout the week. I can't imagine

883
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: you're getting any sleep at this time too, because you're

884
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: wired from the match. You get back to the hotel.

885
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: You can't just sleep. No. Look, I can really notice.

886
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: It's so crazy because now if I'm on the road

887
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: and now like i'm you know, I go to bed

888
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock except for the nights that we have

889
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: you know that we have a television that we have

890
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: to work late. But yeah, to your point, Look, you're

891
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: done at the building at ten or ten thirty and

892
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: you are ready, you're ready to go. So but it's amazing,

893
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, young, you know, youth will break through, you know,

894
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: break down a lot of barriers. You know, you could

895
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: live on four or five hours sleep. But even again,

896
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: if you you know, you're in bed by two three

897
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: in the morning, you know what I mean, depending on

898
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: how long the flight is, you get a couple hours

899
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: that night. You sleep on the flight, you know what

900
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: I mean. Uh, you get up and you do the

901
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: same thing. But you youth is a is an amazing thing.

902
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy how much your body and look also

903
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: what your body gets used to. Yeah, I'll say that

904
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, you you understand and again, you know, Julian,

905
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure you understand. You know. You get to where

906
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: your body's as to being through a physical endeavor on

907
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: a regular basis, and as long as you keep doing it,

908
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: it's sort of that callousness that it keeps up. It's

909
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: some minute you stop if you ask me, and then

910
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: you try to get back into it is the hard part.

911
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: The best way to stay in shape is never get out.

912
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: That was always the thing, absolutely, you know, because it

913
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: was always those fucking four weeks of when you get

914
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: out of shape after a season, you go party with

915
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: the boys and then you're so out of shape by

916
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: the time you're like, I'm never getting out of shape again.

917
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: You're throwing up. But I'm fascinated with you. You went

918
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: to you would find a gym in the towns you're in,

919
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: so like, now that I'm retired, I go do this

920
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: gym life too, where you go to find an equinox

921
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: to get a workout in and there's like a I

922
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: never like it because you always have people sizing you up,

923
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: especially they find out who you are. I can only

924
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: imagine if you guys walked in all rocked up over

925
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: there on the one fifties doing some presses like did

926
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: people ever give you guys any shit in those gyms? Well, so, look,

927
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: good fortune for me is I'm going into the gym.

928
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm going in there with Nash, who's seven three hundred pounds.

929
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm going into the Scott Hall six eight two eighty five,

930
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, Hunter, you know, six four two fifteen. So,

931
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: and look, everybody knows you. And for the most part,

932
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the times it was it was a

933
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: number of us, you know what I mean. So it's

934
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: kind of like a crew of guys going in there,

935
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: and it doesn't take long, you know. I think for

936
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: the most part, everybody was pretty cool with the fact

937
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: that we were there, you know what I mean. That

938
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: was obviously good for their business to have us there.

939
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: We had, you know, at that time, there were mostly

940
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: golds gyms, a lot of places. They were always really

941
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: good to us. But for the most part, look, even

942
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: if you had some people that kind of had a

943
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, sticking her ass part my language you know

944
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: about you you know, you'd pay the five bucks or

945
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: the ten bucks to get to work out in uh,

946
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, pay for and whatnot. You know, just whatever

947
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: it took to get it done. You talk about the

948
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: tanning a hairy jew. I appreciate the hairy chest representation.

949
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: You were the only dude with with chest hair, and

950
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: Julian's brought this up. You could have looked more ripped

951
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: if you shaved your chest, but you chose not to. Yeah, well,

952
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: so look, I've never shaved my legs my chest. I think, goodness,

953
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: my wife does my back now? Like, yeah, that was look, yeah,

954
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. So it was always I don't know,

955
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: that was just one of those things. I was never

956
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: a bodybuilder. I gotta be honest. The best shape I

957
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: was in I was really fortunate, I guess to get

958
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: that way. Like I said, it was just training and

959
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: the guys I hung around. I never knew that much

960
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: about diet and training. I just hung out with the guys,

961
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, I ate the same thing they ate. I

962
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, train around, you know, the same time and

963
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: with them. Honestly, it wasn't I can remember getting one

964
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: time really big and heavy and uh, you know, Kevin

965
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: Nash and Scott, you know, used to looking at you like, hey, Sean,

966
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, like we're to eighty two ninety. You can't

967
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: match us meal for meal, beer for beer, you know

968
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you're too you know, you're two fifteen,

969
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can't you know? And

970
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, It's like you can't. You

971
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: can't eat that much, can't, you know? And I was like, I,

972
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, because I can eat. I'm a repressed fat

973
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: kid living inside of me that I tried to you

974
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: know that I've had to keep slim and relatively in

975
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: decent shape over the years. But I honestly did, you know,

976
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: never really knew that much about it. I wasn't as

977
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, uh as bright in the gym as the

978
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: other guys were. It was. I was never a gym Yeah,

979
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was still early too. I mean the

980
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: information age of you know, training and diet and recovery.

981
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, no one really did it even in our

982
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: sport back at I mean probably in the nineties. They

983
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: it was starting to transform once you hit that, you know,

984
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: like the two thousands, mid two thousands, twenty tens. But

985
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: I can only imagine, yeah, think about the old diet

986
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: complex that used to talk about, you know, with the

987
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: carbs and this and all that. I mean, hell, that

988
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: stuff's all wrong. Now, yeah you didn't have Yeah, you

989
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: just didn't have all the science behind it, you know

990
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. Respectfully, you're going by whatever muscle and

991
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: fitness thet yeah, you know what I mean. And you know,

992
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: and they're talking about guys that are doing the Olympia

993
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: and obviously probably you know, having enhancement help here and there.

994
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So you need about whatever

995
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: you want. I got to ask you because first off,

996
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: sweets and music. One of the most iconic finishers ever,

997
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the flying elbow beforehand the stomp. Everyone knows that. Comics.

998
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: We shot on each other for each other's acts. We

999
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: make fun of each other's jokes. Did you your cruise,

1000
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: Scott Hall, Kevin Nash? Would they ever make fun of

1001
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: your moves? Would you guys ball bust over that stuff?

1002
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Well so, yeah, well we used to bust each other

1003
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: balls over all sorts of stuff. You know, only stuff

1004
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: from an inn ring standpoint, was I don't know stuff

1005
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: that we would you know, we see that we you know,

1006
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: would tell one another like dude, don't do that again,

1007
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's like, that's brutal, that sucks.

1008
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: You know. I always tell a story about uh, you know,

1009
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: Kevin Nash, big old, huge guy, and I thought it

1010
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: was cool that he could leap frog, you know what

1011
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: I mean. And so to watch this big dude leap frog,

1012
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: and I had him doing it in a couple of matches.

1013
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: And then one time, you know, we're driving down the

1014
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: road and Scott Hall's in the backseat and he's like, hey,

1015
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. And Kevin and I

1016
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: are up brought me and we're like, all right, what

1017
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: he is? How come the biggest guy in the company

1018
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: avoids contact? And we sat there and thought about it.

1019
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you're right, I said, Kevin, don't

1020
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: ever leap frog again, you know what I mean. So

1021
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, We're just there were just times

1022
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: that you know, we would we would call it monitor

1023
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: time where on TV days, you know, you'd sit there

1024
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: and you'd watch guys matches and you just rip them

1025
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: the shreds, you know what I mean, just you know it,

1026
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, pick apart little things that you know they

1027
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: saw wrong and stuff like that. So we did that.

1028
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: We did that a bunch with one another. But uh,

1029
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's like anything. It was like, you know,

1030
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: a locker room full of athletes. So there was you

1031
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: know a fair amount of ribbon and and mess around

1032
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: going on behind the see. Hell yeah, I mean that's crazy. Now.

1033
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: We all know the famous song Sexy Boy, and I

1034
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: don't know if did you? Did you write that song? No,

1035
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart, Yes, So I ended up singing. Jimmy Hart

1036
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: wrote it and originally sensational shering sung it, and then

1037
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hart came to me one dime. He's like, hey,

1038
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: maybe look we're thinking we got this great idea, you know,

1039
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe you sing your song. And I was and I said,

1040
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: I said, Jimmy Gott, I can't. I can't carry it out.

1041
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: My voice is deep. I said, I can't sing it all.

1042
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: I says, don't you worry. We'll get the studio. You know,

1043
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: We've got all the stuff that we can do. We

1044
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: can fix it. And I was like, I was like, right,

1045
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll give it a try. But yeah, so

1046
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I can't. I can't carry a note

1047
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: to save my life. But they somehow, you know, they

1048
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: do all that cool stuff they do with music, and

1049
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: and look, I never when I was going through this

1050
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: process of that song and my character and everything else,

1051
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, in your in your in the theater of

1052
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: your mind, you're picturing yourself being maybe a bit more

1053
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like madly and a bit

1054
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: more like I figured it would be like, I don't know,

1055
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: it'd be more kind of a rougher, tougher as kicking

1056
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: type guy. And but then all of a sudden, I

1057
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: turned into this I don't know, this dude wearing ass

1058
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: list chaps and shaking my ass and dancing and half

1059
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: strip teasing and stuff like that. But the more I

1060
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: did it, the more natural, the more just the better

1061
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: it felt, and I could just really, I don't know,

1062
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: unleash and just sort of become whatever it is I wanted.

1063
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: But I never imagined it that way. And same with

1064
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: the music. It just got to where it ended up

1065
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: just being perfect for me. But it wasn't. It was

1066
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: not my idea by any stretch. It was just something

1067
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: that sort of happened and that I morphed into with

1068
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: the music and with the gear, and the more I

1069
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: went out there, the more I went out there, was Sherry.

1070
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: The more comfortable I got with it, and it just

1071
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: became I don't know, to where me and the character were,

1072
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, damn identical. That's the best when it comes out.

1073
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean authenticity, you know, especially I've been working with

1074
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: an acting coach. You know, it's not about right or wrong.

1075
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: It's about truth, truth and beliefs or truth beliefs and

1076
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, something like that. But uh, he's not

1077
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: paying attention, not paying attention. Sorry, all right, but let's

1078
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: get into the match. Iron Man match WrestleMania twelve. What

1079
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: the hell are you thinking when they pitch you a

1080
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: sixty minute match? Now, this has got to be that.

1081
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's got to be crazy. Well, so, look,

1082
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: on one hands, I know that they this was something

1083
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: that you know, one of the guys in our company,

1084
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: Pat Patterson, he always wanted, you know, to have an

1085
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: iron Man match. He felt that Brett and I were

1086
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: the two guys that could do it. Brett and I

1087
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: felt like we were the two guys that could do it.

1088
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: But at that time in the business, you know, having

1089
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: an hour match on a pay per view is a

1090
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: huge ask, you know what I mean, can you keep

1091
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: them interested for an out, you know, can you build

1092
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: this match in a way that's you know, I don't

1093
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: know if the viewer doesn't get you know, board stiffed

1094
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: in the process. So that was that was honestly the

1095
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: biggest hurdle for this match is you know, continuing to

1096
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: make it exciting and continue to build, you know, till

1097
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: the very end. And of course one of the ways

1098
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: you can do that is by having a number of

1099
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: falls in the match, So you can have sort of

1100
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: a number of smaller matches, you know what I mean,

1101
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: and have a guy win three falls to two falls.

1102
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: But you know, Brett and I really wanted to just

1103
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: have it come down to one fall. And certainly at

1104
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: that time, you know, there's always been you know, from

1105
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: from the old school guys, there was always this kind

1106
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: of I don't know, this badge of honor that you

1107
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: wore if you could go out there and do an

1108
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: hour you know what I mean, I did an hour

1109
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: with you know, you you would hear stories growing up

1110
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: in the business from guys like Flair, Harley, Ray's, Jack Briscoe. Yeah,

1111
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: I remember in seventy three, you know, me and Funk

1112
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: we did an hour straight in Saint Louis Place was

1113
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: sold out to the rafters. Should have seen it, you know,

1114
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, your kids today don't know.

1115
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: You know what we went through going an hour, you know,

1116
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: So it was it was one of those things that

1117
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: you wanted to be able to say. In nineteen ninety six. Yeah,

1118
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, there was that time WrestleMania twelve, Hart and

1119
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: I went for an hour sold out Anaheim Pond. You know,

1120
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: just no walk in the Park boys, you know. So

1121
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those things. And I

1122
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: don't know it was it was a badge of honor.

1123
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: It's just something that not many people could say they

1124
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: did that's bad. And so you know, I don't know

1125
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: that was a big moment for us. But honestly, that

1126
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: was the most intimidating thing, was going an hour and

1127
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: making it exciting. Oh oh, I mean was it weird

1128
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: because you and Brett are kind of the stars of

1129
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: the show. I mean, I mean, this is you're coming up.

1130
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: Brett has been there, I guess a little longer than

1131
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: you he thirty nine or thirty one. Was it hard

1132
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: being these two, you know, stars when you didn't get

1133
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: along well. So at that time, Brett and I were

1134
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: getting along pretty well. I mean, so this that was

1135
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: that was the screw job in Montreal, A lot of

1136
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: that's when they went down exactly. That was long before

1137
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. So this was honestly,

1138
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, very you know, pretty dark, you know, amicable

1139
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: time for Brett and I. So it was more about, honestly,

1140
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: were you close to this going out there and having

1141
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: the hell of a match at this time? Would you

1142
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: say you and Brett were close? Yeah, look, I think so.

1143
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean we were certainly you know, far and away,

1144
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: way better than we were later on down the line.

1145
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: We were certainly on the same page. It was this

1146
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: was the place where you know, Brett had you know,

1147
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: probably had the title for a year or two, but

1148
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: he had always you know, he'd expressed it once that

1149
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: you know that he felt like I would be the

1150
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: next guy you know what I mean, that that would

1151
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: be taking that championship. And so as far as all

1152
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: of that was concerned from a professional standpoint, I think

1153
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: we were we were pretty good. You know, there's always

1154
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: clearly there's always a little uncomfortableness with the guy who's

1155
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: losing the title to a guy that's gaining it because

1156
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: it's sometimes more often than not, it means a transition

1157
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: from a company standpoint, from going of one way of

1158
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: doing things to another. And so, you know, I certainly

1159
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: think that when you go from a title from Brett

1160
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: to me, just from going to Brett in the first

1161
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: place was more of an acknowledgement that we were getting

1162
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 1: into more of the guys that could wrestle for long

1163
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: periods of time, that could put on fantastic matches, as

1164
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: opposed to the champions of the past, like a Hogan.

1165
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, that was more just a I don't know,

1166
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: he was a huge selling point, but it wasn't you know,

1167
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: a thirty minute match that he was selling you on.

1168
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: It was a ten or fifteen minute match that he

1169
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: was selling you on, but it was hul Coke. Did

1170
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: you respect someone like Brett way more than a Hulk? Well,

1171
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: look at that time, you certainly do, because you're into

1172
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: that version of wrestling, you know what I mean. I

1173
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: think over time, I've really come to understand and appreciate

1174
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: what it is to draw money period, you know what

1175
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: I mean, And to understand that you don't this business

1176
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: doesn't get where it's at without guys like hul Cogan,

1177
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, without guys like Steve Austin

1178
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: the Rock, you know what I mean, all those guys

1179
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: were fantastic. You know, well look and look, I think

1180
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: there's me and there's Brett. I think there's a number

1181
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: of us. But look, that was a time, I will say,

1182
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: admittedly where we felt that it was more about work rate,

1183
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: as we would call it, than it was just being

1184
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: a big name. Well, you guys were wrestlers, wrestlers, I

1185
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 1: think you Brett Flair, guys like that. And then there's

1186
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: guys who are kind of like big ticket guys who

1187
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: aren't in ring as gifted as guys like the three

1188
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: of you. You know, yeah, and I think that's a

1189
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: fair statement. And you know, again, when you're younger, like

1190
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: I said, you sort of you're proud of that, and

1191
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: of course you want that to be, you know, the

1192
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: flavor of the day. I mean, this was pretty much

1193
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: the gateway to the attitude era because he was the

1194
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: old school boxer, I mean, old school superstar. You were

1195
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 1: kind of that new young punk guy, you know, kind

1196
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: of cocky, that was like your swag about it. So

1197
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: this almost foreshadowed going into like pretty much our generation

1198
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: of what we used to watch, because that was still

1199
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: like I felt that Brett Hart was still like part

1200
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: of the little He was more of the old school

1201
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: and you were more a news school going into this fight.

1202
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that or no? Well, yeah, well

1203
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: so certainly, well yeah, well certainly Brett was come from

1204
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: a more traditional purist background than I was. And look,

1205
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: part of the idea that got me turned into a

1206
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: good guy was that was because of my bad guy persona. Yeah,

1207
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: it was because of the cockiness and the brashnurs Now

1208
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: when I went to being a good guy winning the championship,

1209
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: they wanted me to be a different kind of good guy,

1210
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: which obviously history would tell us that that wasn't the

1211
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: right move, you know what I mean that people preferred

1212
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: the Shawn Michaels with attitude and arrogance and brashness and cockiness.

1213
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: But you know that was again that was still us

1214
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: trying to get out of that traditional purest style. So

1215
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: in some ways it was a bit of a transition, yes,

1216
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: but from a company standpoint, Vince still felt like the

1217
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: good guys should be a bit more wholesome as opposed

1218
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: to a good guy with an attitude, which wouldn't come

1219
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: to pass until, you know, a couple of years later. Yeah, well, so,

1220
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think my bad guy aspects did

1221
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, trying to put me

1222
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: in that box of being a good guy's good guy

1223
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: was a little difficult, especially at that time in my life,

1224
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: because you know that and the real guy, we're we're

1225
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: not wholesome, shall we say? Yeah, is it? It's got

1226
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: to be more fun being the bad guy, though, it's

1227
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: got to be more fun getting booze. It's well, look

1228
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: that I don't know anybody that doesn't enjoy being a

1229
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: bad guy better than you know, yeah, because it's just

1230
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: so much You're so much more freedom. Yeah, you know

1231
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. I always loved everyone always asked me,

1232
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, do you love playing at Foxborough or do

1233
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: you like I love playing on the road. You go

1234
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: play it, you know, New York and these and these

1235
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: fans are throwing dildos on the field and ship like

1236
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: that's the kind of ship I used to love. And

1237
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: it's quieting them down, and I would embrace my inner

1238
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: fucking superstar wrestler mentality, and I literally they put myself

1239
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: in a mindset like I'm a fucking I'm a villain.

1240
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: It's it's respect. I mean, I remember I was doing

1241
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: a show in Buffalo and I mentioned Julian's name and

1242
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: they all started booing, and I was like, that's respect.

1243
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: That's because they respect like it takes. It takes you

1244
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: from a performance standpoint, I think, to another level. I mean, Gil,

1245
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you guys, everywhere you went, you guys

1246
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: were you know, after a while, you guys were hated everywhere.

1247
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: We were like this someone that had coming into town.

1248
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: Everyone hated it, you know what I mean. Yeah, Well,

1249
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: and that's because of that success. But that's that's what

1250
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, certainly for me, I know, that's what

1251
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: almost pushed me to even be better and greater each time,

1252
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: because again, the more they wanted you to fail, the

1253
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: more you upped your game. And so yeah, I mean

1254
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: one just feeds the other. And I don't think people

1255
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: understand it. The more they do that, the better it

1256
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: makes you and the harder you are to be. Proving

1257
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: people wrong is always fun. But let's get let's get

1258
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: into the match. Beginning of the match starts and everyone

1259
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 1: says it's kind of slow, but you know, everyone says

1260
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: it started slow. I'm sitting here, these guys are about

1261
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: to wrestle for fucking sixty minutes. Like maybe they're like like,

1262
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: let's feel, let's feel, let's feel each other out. Like

1263
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: how did you how did that beginning? Like was that

1264
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: the plan? Like, all right, we're gonna build this thing up.

1265
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: And I heard you guys, only you designed this twenty

1266
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: minutes before the match? What you guys were gonna say?

1267
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: We well, no, so we we knew we okay, so

1268
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: we knew we were in the hour. But I know,

1269
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: like a week or two before, I know, Brett sort of,

1270
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, came to me. He said, like, hey, how

1271
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: about we do this in like, you know, you think

1272
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: of the first thirty and I'll give some thought to

1273
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: the last thirty, and then you know, like a day

1274
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: before we'll sort of come together and see where we're at,

1275
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, and and of course you know you also

1276
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, we also talked about like, oh my goodness,

1277
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: we're out there for an hour. We can probably do

1278
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: darn near sort of every move under the sun. You know,

1279
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: think about stuff you haven't done in quite a while.

1280
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, let's really just think about what we can

1281
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: do to open up sort of playbooks, so to speak.

1282
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,799
Speaker 1: And so that's honestly what we did kind of separately.

1283
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: But then I think a day or two before we

1284
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: just sort of came together and you know, you kind

1285
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: of prepare notes or show you know, show each other's notes.

1286
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: But again, back then you just can't. Really. That's the

1287
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: one upside of going an hour is that there is

1288
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: no rush, you know what I mean, You're not having

1289
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: to race against timeques and stuff like that, and you

1290
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 1: can sort of go out there and get a feel

1291
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: for what it is you want to do and where

1292
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: you're going. So that's honestly what we did. We had

1293
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: a couple sort of what we call signposts in the road,

1294
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, certain places at the match where

1295
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: you want to go like, Okay, I feel like this

1296
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: is where we ought to be at about twenty, this

1297
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: is where we need to be about thirty, you know

1298
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, and the forty five and then you know,

1299
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: obviously those last five you really want to make sure

1300
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: you nail down and button down. But look, it's just

1301
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: a whole different way of trying to, I guess have

1302
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: a match, you know, I mean, it's just unlike anything

1303
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: you've done before, because it's you know, it's stuff, stuff

1304
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: you haven't done before, so you got to go about

1305
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: it differently. But yeah, I mean, of course you got

1306
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: to start off. Look, I would argue, you know what

1307
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'll say this, Look, you know what

1308
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: time in history does I mean people like starts out slow?

1309
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: And well that's because now you know what's going in

1310
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: an hour. You know what I mean. You've been told

1311
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: and heard that it starts slow, so you know it's

1312
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: it's exactly now what everything you hear that it is.

1313
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: But I think at the time, you know what I mean,

1314
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: when you're go in with the unknowns of not knowing

1315
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: how many falls we're going to do, how many falls

1316
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: are coming, because it is a marathon matter where you

1317
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: know you can add up falls. So clearly it builds slow,

1318
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: but it starts slow, but you don't know where it's going.

1319
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: And the thing is you can't ever you can't ever

1320
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: recreate the first you know what I mean? And again

1321
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: you know very well a play that you know again

1322
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: dazzled them, you know again in nineteen ninety seven, you

1323
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or two thousand and three, you know,

1324
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: seeing it on a number of you know, number of

1325
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: highlight reels and then you know, calling it again, you

1326
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: know in two thousand and twenty two, it's not quite

1327
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 1: the same, you know what I mean. But the first

1328
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: time it was very different. It was innovative and it worked.

1329
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: And look, that's one of the that's one of the

1330
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: minds that you have to go into watching this match.

1331
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think a lot of people have the

1332
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: ability to do that now so many years, you know,

1333
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: distant from it. This was like the first time. I remember,

1334
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: we're like fifteen minutes were fought outside the ring, and

1335
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: I would say the momentum and when I was like,

1336
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, what the fuck is when you kicked

1337
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: the timekeeper Tony Schimmel. So yeah, now that was that

1338
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: in the was that in the process of like, all right,

1339
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick this dude right in the face, you

1340
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: move your head or what? Or did that just happen

1341
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: because it didn't look that dude took took that boot

1342
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: to the face at that I'm telling you. Wasn't he

1343
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: stretched out? Yes, yeah, yeah he was, and it was

1344
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: it was, you know, pretty good in there, but you know,

1345
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: very very honored decided. I don't you know, I didn't

1346
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: injure anybody. But no, that was something he did. He

1347
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: was stretchered off. Kay, he was fucking stretchered off. Well,

1348
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: different difference between hurt, didn't say I didn't hurt him,

1349
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: hurt and injured injury exactly football guys to coach him.

1350
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: Look at you, Hey you heard are you injured? Coach?

1351
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: I'm hurt? All right, we'll see you get back in right, hurt,

1352
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 1: you can survive and get back in there. You keep going,

1353
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I'm sorry. No, I'm just going to

1354
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: say that was something that somebody had suggested that we

1355
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: thought was freaking fantastic. But no, that is not anything. Again,

1356
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: this was a time in our business. You didn't go

1357
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: over stuff. You didn't you were a prop. You don't

1358
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: get out there, you don't practice. This is one of

1359
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: those things that you go like, Okay, this is what's

1360
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen, all right, and you go out there and

1361
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: you make it happen, and you trust that everybody's going

1362
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: to be there and do what they have to do.

1363
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: And of course being out there with a guy like Brett,

1364
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: that was absolutely no problem. I knew he was going

1365
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: to get out of the way. It's just you know,

1366
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: it was just a matter of for you how I

1367
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: ended up kicking Tony. I mean you talk about Brett

1368
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: just making the right decisions, and like you improvise so

1369
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: much with Brett because you can. I mean, there's so

1370
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: much that can happen there. But uh, you've been in

1371
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: some epic matches going up to this, I mean the

1372
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: Ladder match Rais or Ramone, Like, was there something about

1373
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: Brett in the ring where you're like, oh shit, this

1374
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: is like this was there a point in this match

1375
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: where you're like this is special? Well, because he was

1376
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: always technically like one of the best. Yeah, Like you

1377
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: could always tell, like if you watch your guys' match,

1378
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: like you could always tell, as you know, these guys

1379
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: are executing their fucking shit right, and everything looks extremely

1380
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 1: like it's very painful, it's hurts. I mean, everything was smooth,

1381
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: the transition from each guy, Like the athleticism wise, the

1382
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: actually you know, the wrestling, it was insane. Like, so look,

1383
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: because he is unbelievably precise in all of that. And

1384
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: and I will say being in there with a guy

1385
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: like him makes you better, you know what I mean,

1386
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: in that kind of stuff where you where again, I

1387
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: feel like I had all the flash, the dazzle. I

1388
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: think I was good wrestling, But I I've always said,

1389
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about you know, I know there.

1390
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: I got asked on an interview once like, who's a

1391
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: better wrestler? You were Brett Hart and I just and

1392
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: I you know, for the first time it dawned on

1393
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: me like, oh, better wrestler, Brett, for sure, Brett better,

1394
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, better performer, showman, performer me. But there's a difference.

1395
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: But Brett was so precise and so good and everything

1396
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: he did that I felt like it made me better

1397
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: and more attentive to all of those things, to the transitions,

1398
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: to the working of the holes. And that's one of

1399
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: the things that I always I always enjoyed about him

1400
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: because he just always made people better. To answer your

1401
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: question is yes, you know, yeah, you feel pressure because look,

1402
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: nobody has a bad match for Brett Hart. Thankfully at

1403
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: that time, you know, nobody was having bad matches with me.

1404
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: So between the two of them, we understood, you know,

1405
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: the pressure and the bar at which the two of

1406
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: us had set, and that's where it all comes down to.

1407
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: You have to deliver on that bar and that's a

1408
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: pressure and a burden both of you are carrying in

1409
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: that match. But you know, obviously you know your rise

1410
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: to that and that's what makes you better. Yeah, and

1411
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: then the end of the fight, legendary finish. I don't

1412
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: think anyone's ever not tapped in the sharpshooter. He gets

1413
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: you in there, hold it for thirty two seconds. We

1414
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: think it's a draw. I'm like ten years old, Like,

1415
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: what the fuck? It's a draws resume in no way

1416
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: Brett Hart leaves the arena or leaves the ring. They

1417
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: call him back in. You have to do it. You're

1418
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: dazed and confused and get the sweet chim music like

1419
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: the ending was the ending was gnarly. Yeah, I mean

1420
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: this is this is an epic match. I mean is

1421
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: this Where does this rank all time for you as

1422
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: a Shawn Michael's match, and where does this rank all

1423
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: time for you is a WrestleMania match. So it's it's

1424
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: it's extremely special and here the top obviously in both

1425
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: categories there because you know it's it's WrestleMania, it's with Brett,

1426
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: it's an hour, and it's for the championship. Those are

1427
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: worlds that believe it or not. Those don't always come along,

1428
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean a lot of guys win world titles,

1429
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: but they're not all at WrestleMania. They're not in the

1430
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: main effect, you know, they're not in a first time,

1431
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: ever done match, you know what I mean. So when

1432
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: all those worlds come together, it's hard for it not

1433
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: to be special. And I think that's it's it's because

1434
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: it's what it is in all those categories. It has

1435
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: its own place, and it sits there in specialness, you

1436
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean that, I think it lives on

1437
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: its own. Look, there are times that you know, again,

1438
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: people have been critical about the match, you know, they

1439
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: and of course everything you go back and you look

1440
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 1: at and you go like, well, yeah, I know I

1441
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: might have changed this, might have changed that. That's just

1442
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: the I don't know. I think that's just the professional

1443
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: in all of us. You know that. I don't know

1444
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: that I've ever had a match that I go back

1445
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: and I look at and I go like, well, I

1446
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: could have done this better, I could have done that better.

1447
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: But I think I don't know. I think everybody does

1448
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: that because they're you know, their their own worst critics.

1449
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: But you know, I look back on so much of

1450
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: my career I'm proud of. I don't I got to

1451
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: do a lot of really cool stuff that I look

1452
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: back on other guys' careers and they didn't have as

1453
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: many of those cool moments as I did. That is

1454
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: certainly one of them. Uh, and I'm honored to I

1455
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: don't know again, the fact that you get to have

1456
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: a whole show where you talk about it, lets you

1457
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: know how you know, lets you know how cool that

1458
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: matches and how how you know reigns in the in

1459
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: the hearts of other people that watched it. I mean,

1460
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys are the main event for an

1461
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: hour in a WrestleMania like that's that's a token of

1462
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: how good you guys were because you're taking time from

1463
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: other people. I mean, that's that's when you guys were

1464
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: the stars of the of the world at that time.

1465
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: You both yet well it's it's it's one half or

1466
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: one third of them, you know, of an entire paper,

1467
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just for you guys, where

1468
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: do you you know what I mean? And that was

1469
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: huge and unheard of at the time. Where do you rank?

1470
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean, who's your number one wrestler? Is Flair? Your guy. Yeah,

1471
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'll just always you know, I'll always

1472
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: lean to Rick for sure. What Yeah, because you know,

1473
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: just because he's the one that made this job look

1474
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: like it was the coolest job in the world, you

1475
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I just I knew that I

1476
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: wanted to do it, but then he just sort of

1477
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: encapsulated everything that you imagined the job would be and

1478
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: could be. And so, uh yeah, I'll always I think

1479
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: I'll always lean to Rick as being my guy. Look

1480
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: right behind that false Tully Blanchard and Wahu mc daniels,

1481
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: because those are the two guys I started out with

1482
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: in Texas. But uh, you know, I think when everything

1483
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: said and done, it comes down to Rick. Wow, how

1484
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: do you feel about being the one that ended his

1485
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: career again honored because of everything that you know, I

1486
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: don't know it meant to him and to me to

1487
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: have that, you know again, that was that was the

1488
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid in me going out there with

1489
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: the guy that you know, I just admired for so

1490
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: long and having the opportunity to take him, I think

1491
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 1: to a moment and something in his career that he'll

1492
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: remember forever. That's where again, I don't know, I guess, Julie,

1493
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: don't you know when you guys share a Super Bowl

1494
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: moment or a I don't know, a pass and a

1495
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: reception and a play that you know, people will never

1496
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: forget in our little world. I guess that's how it

1497
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: is for us, you know what I mean, when you're

1498
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: able to do something with someone that means more to

1499
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: you than just a teammate, and you're able to take

1500
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: him to do something that he puts at the very

1501
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: top of his career. I don't know that was that

1502
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: was very important to me. I guess. So it has

1503
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: a lot of personal uh you know, respect in my

1504
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: heart as well a lot of things with sports. When

1505
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: people don't realize the relationships you have with men that

1506
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: you compete with, compete against, uh, you know, those are

1507
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: the things that you take away. Like we can sit

1508
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: here and talk about all the party and the matches

1509
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: of this that, but it's probably the relationships. And I'm

1510
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: assuming that you take away from this thing that that

1511
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: you cherish for the longest, you know, the longest time.

1512
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: For me. Yeah, no, I apologize to me. No, no, no,

1513
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: you get out of here, Get out of here. Now.

1514
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's do a little uh lettle make believe you're

1515
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: you're you're booking with next right now, say you had

1516
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: to rebook the fight between you and Brett Hart in

1517
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: the Ironman match. What would you change it? Would you

1518
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: do something different? How would you do it? Well? So

1519
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: look now here in in NXC now, I think if we, uh,

1520
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: if we had an hour marathon match, look, I think

1521
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: we could, depending on if we I don't know if

1522
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: i'd go to the one fall. If I did go

1523
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: to just the one fall, I wouldn't go to the overtime,

1524
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think you'd capture it

1525
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: in the last I don't know, fifty nine thirty five

1526
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like you think it's going down

1527
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: to the wire, and I think I would. Nowadays, you

1528
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: would have to up the pace a bit. You'd have

1529
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: to have your wins. You'd have to keep it moving

1530
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: faster than we did I think at the beginning, to

1531
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: keep them interested. And that's if you don't go with

1532
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: several falls throughoute. I think we'd go to several falls.

1533
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: It's a much easier build to come down where you

1534
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: can tie it up, you know, say to apiece and

1535
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: then you're coming down to fifty nine thirty, fifty nine forty,

1536
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: and then you capture that last fall at fifty nine

1537
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Oh my goodness, it's the new world champion.

1538
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. Yeah, how are you and Brett? Now? Fantastic?

1539
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: Brett and I saw each other last WrestleMania, and uh, yeah,

1540
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: I know so we are. Obviously with a number of

1541
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: the A documentaries and stuff like that, they've done many

1542
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: on Brett and myself and of course the story in

1543
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 1: Montreal and everything else. But yeah, we saw each other

1544
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: at WrestleMania, and it was it was unbelievably nice, very pleasant.

1545
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: We're both in a great place in our lives. And

1546
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: again I always, you know, I always uh sort of comment,

1547
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, because I think he knows how important it

1548
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: is to me for us to be where we're at.

1549
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: And he always sort of just pats me on the shoulder.

1550
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: And Andre Brett's always had just a very calming, uh

1551
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: you know, presence about it, and he pats me on

1552
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: the shoulder, shoulder and just it quietly says, we're good, show,

1553
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: We're good, you know what I mean. And uh, and

1554
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I know that he means that and again to me

1555
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: for both of us to be at this place in

1556
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: our lives and for us to have experienced so much,

1557
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: you know, both together and individually away from the ring,

1558
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: personally and professionally. I think we're at a fantastic spot.

1559
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: Wouldn't change it for anything in the world. I love

1560
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: it now, Sean. You know, I'm a free agent. I

1561
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: know you're you're doing this whole you know n x

1562
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: T you kind of mentor these young wrestlers. If I

1563
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: were to give it a shot, you know what, persona

1564
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: should I go? You think I have an opportunity right low?

1565
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: Do it? You're gonna have to go? Oh yeah, you could?

1566
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? We took a punter for having I

1567
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: mean that all right. And you, my friend, you know,

1568
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: are way more athletic than McAfee. So and you know,

1569
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: you know that was pretty darn good. So, you kid,

1570
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: you'd be a piece of cake. Man, you'd be a

1571
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: you'd be a machine. Plus with your work ethic data,

1572
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't be tough. I'd have to be a villain. I

1573
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: think did we could? We could have you? Oh for sure?

1574
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that look that just comes to astal

1575
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: and plus down here in Florida. You know what I

1576
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: mean they love you know, come from New England. You

1577
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 1: don't have a chance do matter where you're actually from, mister,

1578
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: as far as everybody's concerned, you know what I mean.

1579
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: You're in New England, patriot, and that's it, so they'll

1580
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: blew you out of the building no matter where. I

1581
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I used to welcome it.

1582
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 1: I used to say, I'm like Pop, I am what

1583
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: I am. I'm just giving you a little, uh little

1584
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: something maybe to work with another one, Julie, because you

1585
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: you were famously in playgirl. Do you think Julian could

1586
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: pull that off? Yeah? Well are you still in shape?

1587
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm in shape, Coach, got the apps going and everything? Yeah,

1588
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: as are there? Abs are there? La? It's all I've learned.

1589
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 1: If you got the ads, you can damn there get

1590
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: away with anything. Yeah. You know, my legs have shrunken

1591
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: a little just because of the load. But that's a

1592
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: good thing in other areas and makes other things look bigger.

1593
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: So I think I'm actually in a good spot right now.

1594
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: Load A load makes my legs shrink too. Actually, how

1595
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: how many kids do you think I suspended? To take

1596
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: it from me? Go ahead? I'm sorry a lot no

1597
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: one was gonna say, don't be safe with me that

1598
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: I always cover up the legs, so don't worry about that.

1599
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: We got ways of accentuating the body parts need to

1600
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: be accentuated. That's what this business is. An answer your question.

1601
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: More kids got expelled that I can possibly shake a

1602
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: stick out for the degeneration suck it. Oh yeah, you

1603
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: know who was one of those kids? You know it

1604
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: was one of those kids. I got suspended for saying

1605
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: suck it or doing a suck it to my my

1606
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: pe teacher at lunch, and a lady walking by flagged

1607
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: him down, told him I end up getting suspended for

1608
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: a day of school because I said suck it. At

1609
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: least you know it was all right. I didn't. I

1610
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: gave him a double jump. Fucking give one of those

1611
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: mister calls, yelled. He already hated me. Teachers knew what

1612
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: was coming. If you said, if you're not down with this,

1613
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: we got two words for you. I'd get thrown out

1614
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: before I could even get to suck it. Oh yeah, well,

1615
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: look that I claim to fame is that now we've

1616
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: got girls here doing it. Yeah, that counts his consent again. Yeah,

1617
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, you can't you said that. I'm

1618
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,799
Speaker 1: just I'm just saying to actually see I mean, you know, women, kids,

1619
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: everybody doing that. It is. It is absolutely hilarious and

1620
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, heaven forbid, I hope the world can take

1621
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: a joke. Hey, I don't know. This is We're an

1622
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: anti cancel podcast, so you don't have to worry about that.

1623
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: We take jokes here. Sean mean legend, thank you so

1624
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Sexy Boy, Heartbreak Kid. He's just

1625
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: a sexy boy. Sexy boy. He not your boy tour

1626
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: by Heartbreak Kid, the sexy boy, I mean epic. This

1627
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: is Honestly, I was so nervous getting into this because

1628
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 1: you're such a huge part of our you know, part

1629
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: of me when I was a kid, you know, and

1630
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 1: enjoying uh your career, you know, and now you're working

1631
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: with n x T. Yeah. Look, I just gotta say, look,

1632
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'm just saying, young man, I've watched you.

1633
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: It's been a you know, you were just a hell

1634
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,520
Speaker 1: of an athlete, football player, man, and it was I appreciate.

1635
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate talent, you know what I mean. Uh, when

1636
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: I see it, you know what it takes to know.

1637
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: I just made a lot of sacrifices, deserved every one

1638
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: of those rings. And I appreciate you. I don't know

1639
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: having me on man, and I don't know. Let me

1640
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: walk down, you know, glory road for a little while. Hey,

1641
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: you're still in the glory land, buddy. You you have

1642
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: a you have You've done something that not many people.

1643
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I would say, how many WrestleMania champions are there? Not

1644
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, so like that is insane. We

1645
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: have so much respect for you. Now you're working for

1646
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: the w w E n XT. That what airs on

1647
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Tuesdays eight o'clock on USA. Yes, yeah, yeah, every Tuesday

1648
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: night Live eight and I'm sorry eight pm to ten

1649
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: pm USA Network. And obviously this weekend premium live event

1650
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 1: on Peacock Halloween Havoc. It's our biggest, you know, premium

1651
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: live event of the year. Gonna be a hell of

1652
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: a show. Absolutely, you miss it, you know what, you know,

1653
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't miss the physical stuff. I mean, I get

1654
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: to live viciously through these young men and women. It's

1655
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: obviously great being a part of the creative and so

1656
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: it really is. I love what I'm doing now. I

1657
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 1: love trying to help out the ww for the future

1658
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: and and all the young men and women that come

1659
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 1: through this place. It's my honor to help them again

1660
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: get to get to be a part of the same

1661
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: moments that I got to be a part of. I

1662
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: know how great it is to get to do that,

1663
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 1: and to just to be a part in helping them

1664
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: do that in their careers. A dig doing it. It's hell,

1665
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: it's a hell of a lot of fun. Dude. Well

1666
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: we we we thank you so much for taking the time,

1667
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: uh and coming out and sharing your stories. It's been

1668
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: an unbelievable honor. You're you're a first superstar from w

1669
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: w E and we we we picked you on purpose

1670
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: because we that match was that transition into that attitude

1671
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: period which basically became our childhood. Uh, did we miss anything? No, No,

1672
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: I can think of noting the zip line, the zip line. Yeah,

1673
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: we missed something. The zip line in show up. Yeah,

1674
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: Jerry Lawler streaming, he's chicken out, chicking out, and then

1675
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: you come down on the zip line. Pretty bad. That

1676
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: was insane. It's probably the best entrance. No, thank you

1677
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: for taking the time. Yeah, thank you so much, Sean, dude,

1678
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: that was epic. And now we know you have to Actually,

1679
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: you really have to be a wrestler. I kind of

1680
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: pussed out there, how you I didn't show my abs.

1681
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: That could have been my that would give us a taste. No,

1682
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: he's not here, but I shouldn't. I should have showed

1683
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: him my abs because that this that was pretty much

1684
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: an interview. Yeah, that was an interview that I failed.

1685
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: You didn't fail. You were great, and and you're gonna be.

1686
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I think he could be. We need to work on

1687
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: your persona for like a Florida rest South Florida Hurricane Jewels.

1688
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: I keep coming down these streets getting eaten up by mosquitoes,

1689
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: seeing how weathered everything looks. I'm a California kid, and

1690
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: it's nothing but humidity and trash out here in South Florida.

1691
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat him. We're booing, We're booing. This is

1692
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: exactly how it sounded after we would come down here

1693
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: twice a year to beat the ship out of the

1694
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Yeah, we gotta work on that. That's good.

1695
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I gotta work on that. Yeah, we gotta work on that.

1696
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad Naples is underwater. Sam with Sam has howth

1697
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: Florida hate too. I do. I do himself South Florida. Yeah,

1698
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: I saw that meme from that that Dolphins fan. I

1699
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,600
Speaker 1: got the most punishable face, will come. Why don't you

1700
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: come see me? Okay, why don't you come see me?

1701
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: Over here? Raw? Why Julian gives them one super kick?

1702
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: I got the most punishable face in here? What street

1703
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: are we on? Canal Street, New York, New York? But

1704
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: your your two Brook, he doesn't have enough money to

1705
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: fly up here. We'll fly you out, coach, but we'll

1706
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 1: fly you out. I'm looking for you. Yeah, let's did

1707
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: we get the propst Did we hit it here? In

1708
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 1: my Google doc thankfully not my search bar? Seven sexy boys?

1709
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: You know who's excited when you hear that, Kevin Spacey. Alright, No,

1710
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,839
Speaker 1: we hit seven sexy boys. That's pretty good. I'm impressed.

1711
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think we pulled it off the end. I

1712
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: heard you you put on the full court press, So

1713
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: then I had I went to the double team. I

1714
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: went to double team the boys. We could redouble team.

1715
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: We cramped it in. Yeah, but it was all potential.

1716
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: The legacy for this match, it's one of the greatest.

1717
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: I think it had to be. I mean This was

1718
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 1: like the start when you say the iron Man match

1719
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: in wrestling, This is the iron Man match, our match,

1720
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: Brett Hart, Sean Michaels. Yeah, sexy boy versus what was

1721
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: he the executor? The best there is, the best there was,

1722
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: and the best will be the hit man, the hit

1723
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: man heart. It was cool to see that. It was

1724
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: cool to see them. Like you could tell from when

1725
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: we were asking Sean questions about Michael. Yeah, I mean

1726
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: Sean asking questions about Brett. You could hear it in

1727
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 1: his voice that he loved like they love each other.

1728
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're such a huge part of each

1729
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: other's history. Even though in the time moment of that

1730
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: fight there was hostility that was probably gaining because he's

1731
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to say the replacement, but there was

1732
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,680
Speaker 1: a passion of the torch and someone. I mean, no

1733
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,759
Speaker 1: one wants to be the backup quarterback. No, unless you're Jimmy,

1734
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: unless you're Cooper Cooper Rush that guys, he's the guy's

1735
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, not this weekend, but he's but he humbled,

1736
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: but he's had a good I'm holding my own in

1737
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: this fantasy football league. By the way, you beat me

1738
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, I'm holding my own. Dude, you didn't

1739
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: start someone and you beat me. You know what, time

1740
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: for confession. You guys kept hitting me up like when

1741
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: can you do it? I'm like, no nights work for me,

1742
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: so I just had to be like, what, I'll figure

1743
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 1: it out. I'm doing it. In between sets of the seller,

1744
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Colin Quinn, like what do you think

1745
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 1: of this pick? He's like, I don't fucking know. So

1746
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm literally just like trying to figure this out. And

1747
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: then I'm like, shit, I'm going on stage auto pick

1748
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: for this pick. This guy's run off, get off shit.

1749
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Two more picks I was. I was scrambling. I was like,

1750
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: fucking Mahomes, just trying to make shit happen. Homes. I

1751
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: delivered you sandbag so hard. You were so unsure of

1752
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: your team I was. I was hitting up Jack. I

1753
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: was like, how do I look at you? I look

1754
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: at you? Yeah. I got fully fucked yeah, because I

1755
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: had auto pick. And who'd I get my first pick?

1756
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Some terrible I got, uh the running back Edmunds. I

1757
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: got ed Means from Miami. That's my first pick. I

1758
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: missed two rounds. I'm out of the league now. Miss

1759
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 1: two rounds. Josh Allen and Saquon were my first two picks.

1760
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: Pretty good picks, A really good pick right now. I

1761
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 1: think he's leading everything and you try not to bet

1762
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 1: with your heart, but like I'm a Giants fan, I

1763
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: gotta take Saquon and Josh Allen was a good first pick.

1764
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: That guy's a fucking tank. Bye bye bye. Anyway, the

1765
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: lasting image of this match, what do you think of

1766
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: lasting image of this match? For me, yeah, I'd have

1767
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: to say him getting out of the sharpshooter. Oh, like,

1768
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: that was a huge wrestling move in my household. My

1769
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 1: brother gave it to me, I gave it to my sister.

1770
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Everyone always tapped to see Shawn Michael's not tap and

1771
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: bring it into overtime. Yeah, that's spectacular. This is almost

1772
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 1: like the twenty eighth to three game in some ways

1773
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: goes into OT, goes into ot on once we knew

1774
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: it was going into OT. You knew Shawn Michaels once

1775
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: she that's a momentum. It's like football game. Once you

1776
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 1: have the momentum, it's over. But he also, for me,

1777
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: the lasting image is him like almost crying sweaty right

1778
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: after he pins Brett either that or the super kick,

1779
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: because either way, you know, you know, that's Sean's time.

1780
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: But also, I mean the entrance was pretty tight. It

1781
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 1: was badass for sure. That's a big image, huge zipline

1782
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:56,879
Speaker 1: fully in. Yeah, that was awesome. The pictures of McMahon

1783
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, in his jeans. He had to try it.

1784
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,520
Speaker 1: It's a good boss. You gotta try this stuff. Huh.

1785
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: So the name of the name of the of the

1786
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: match here? Did we forget anything? Jack? Oh? Sorry? Jack? Yeah,

1787
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: what do we forget anything? I think we're good on stuff.

1788
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: Just a couple of clarifications on a couple of things.

1789
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: We talked about the Browns moving in the middle of

1790
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: the night with those Mayflower trucks. They were deactivated for

1791
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: three years as of ninety six, so they came back

1792
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. It felt like ten years, felt like

1793
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: a while, and then felt like ten years for me,

1794
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: feeling like a while. That Cleveland Sports Championship drought sixty

1795
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: four to twenty sixteen, fifty two years. There's got to

1796
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: be more, though. I don't think Detroit's got baseball teams hockey.

1797
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 1: Jacksonville doesn't have one. It's not a sports town. It

1798
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: only got one major Dirk one, I only got hockey,

1799
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 1: triple A baseball or something. Uh, yeah, that's that's a

1800
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 1: long time. And then we talked WrestleMania twelve. We talked

1801
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: about getting it for free. Note pay per view over

1802
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: here over at uh whose house were we at? Jeff's? Yeah,

1803
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 1: oh my boy, Jeff. The cost of that pay per

1804
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 1: view twenty nine five. That was a lot of money.

1805
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: That's a lot of it. And then yeah, and Monday

1806
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 1: Night Raw longest running weekly episodic program in the US,

1807
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: over fourteen thousand original episodes, more than the Simptons Simpsons.

1808
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how long has it been going? It has

1809
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: been going? Let me see, I think like it was

1810
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: close to that was the first time it did longer

1811
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: than SNL. Let me see. Yeah, I'm called wait yeah

1812
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, did we miss something or do you

1813
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: miss something here? That correction within this that correction eighty

1814
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: three or ninety three? Sorry ninety three. So SNL but

1815
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably some category episode. SNL is only

1816
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty episodes because they take breaks. What about

1817
01:37:53,760 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: Simpsons breaks. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, we're all right, Jack.

1818
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 1: You We never should have questioned Jack dude. Yeah, I

1819
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: think otherwise, heck of an episode. Well, what's the name

1820
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: of the game, guys, what do you think? I mean?

1821
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: I think it's the iron Man Match, no doubt. But

1822
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: the other option sixty minute men, uh, which is also

1823
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: a good grinder profile name the real? What is it

1824
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: that I don't want the real sixty minutes? I think

1825
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: it's got to be iron Man Match. I don't think

1826
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 1: it's even the debate. It's the iron Man Match. Yeah,

1827
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 1: it's the iron Man Match. I mean, no, cal Ripkin,

1828
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 1: You're not the iron Man, Sean, Mike respect the caw

1829
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: ripkin Man. Actually want you on here? Seanle Ripkins. Yeah,

1830
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: he's just the stud. But did you hear that? Wasn't that?

1831
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 1: Didn't they like postpone a game because of Kevin Costner? Oh?

1832
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: I love that? Oh my gosh. What happened? Kevin was

1833
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: having an affair I think with his wife. He found out,

1834
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 1: got pissed, made an excuse for the team to cancel

1835
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: the game. Kevin Costler was having an affair with Cal

1836
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Ripken's wife. I think so. I don't know. This is

1837
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: just all speculation, paraphrasing. I could be fully wrong. Yeah,

1838
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: the Orioles were like, oh, powers out tonight, power outage.

1839
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: No power outage, sound like the power went out in

1840
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 1: his household a long time ago. That's my drift. Damn.

1841
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: That's brutal. Costner. He's even more evil than on Yellowstone.

1842
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: That's fucked up. I mean, Costner is like the baby

1843
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,760
Speaker 1: that's not that sucks because Costner's the baseball guy. So

1844
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: like the baseball guys, you can't watch Field of Dreams

1845
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: Bull Durham for love of the game and love of

1846
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: the Rincon's got to avoid a shitload of classics. He

1847
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: can't even watch his own sport on the green screen. Yeah,

1848
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 1: they're like, do you want to watch He's like, I'll

1849
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: watch The Natural? What if? What if Robert Redford Fox's wife?

1850
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Then he's really out of luck. He can't watch any

1851
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:02,719
Speaker 1: sports movie. How we score this game, steaks are it's

1852
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 1: it's high. Stakes are high here. Stakes are pretty high

1853
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: because Shawn doesn't win. It's wrestling. There's Wrestlmingia's once a year.

1854
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 1: You don't get a lot of shots. This is the

1855
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl of wrestling, and this is probably one of

1856
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 1: the strongest times, and it's the two big names in

1857
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: the sport. It's got to be stakes have got to

1858
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: be like nine something. Am I crazy for this? Kyler's

1859
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: annoyed that I'm saying this already. I can tell what

1860
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: do you what do you think? Now? It's not nine,

1861
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: it's WrestleMania and it's an Iron Man match. Two guys,

1862
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: it's not the stone Cold, it's a I would say

1863
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,639
Speaker 1: it's probably like I love stone Cold, but I think

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Speaker 1: Shawn's a better in ring guy. I think if you

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Speaker 1: want to go for name, fine, but we're talking steaks.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would say high eight eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight times right, all right? Star power is I know

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Speaker 1: you're saying these. I mean they were the biggest name,

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Speaker 1: even with the biggest of the time of that time.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would say probably a high eight eight eight. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is a Michael Irvings score. Damn gameplay, I mean

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Speaker 1: you gotta give them props. This is a fucking started

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Speaker 1: a little slow. But as you said, it had to

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Speaker 1: I had to. Competitive stamina was a huge thing on

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Speaker 1: this on this night. Yeah, competitive stamina. I still have

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Speaker 1: nightmares of hearing McDaniel's say that we fourteen What do

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Speaker 1: you say nine to two for gameplay? I mean it's

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Speaker 1: it's one of the greatest wrestling matches ever. I think

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Speaker 1: we got it nine two ninety two name the Iron

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Speaker 1: Man match. I mean that's pretty it's pretty epic. This

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Speaker 1: isn't going to be a high score for us, dude,

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be the highest? Though? No? I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's up there. I'm I'm saying probably eight.

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Speaker 1: Are you going lower? Low? Eight? Low? Eight? Eight? Four

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Speaker 1: A two A two A two? All right, what's our

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Speaker 1: what's our total? This is high eight seven. That's one

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Speaker 1: of our biggest Eight eight is just an aggressive score.

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Speaker 1: I think it fits. Honestly, eight eight puts it at

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Speaker 1: number three overall. When what's ahead of it right now?

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Speaker 1: Behind Giants Patriots eighteen and one and then Titans Rams

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl thirty four, the longest yard an eight nine

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Speaker 1: though we really give a lot of process. That guy

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Speaker 1: did not care for me at all. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it was the jerk off joke to you know, a

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01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 1: god fearing Christian. Well, I'm a Kurt Warner fearing Jew.

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Speaker 1: After that, Jesus Christ. He hated me. Oh man. But

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Speaker 1: we're right in front of twenty eight to three. Whoa,

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Speaker 1: this just got twenty eight to three just got jumped.

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Speaker 1: That's off man. Yeah, can all be winners? That's tough.

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Speaker 1: To three is legendary. But this is like, this is

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Speaker 1: you do have to give this match? Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big match. It's a big match.

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Speaker 1: Although I don't know if there's many wrestling matches I can.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear in the comics comment comment section. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys think are we giving it too much? We're

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Speaker 1: just too high. I don't know. I think it's gotta be.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's high, all right. Well, Follow Games with

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Speaker 1: we're finishing each other's sentences. Wow, this is like a

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