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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at No. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nickie Spagnolan. And as usual here on Mixed Shots,
Speaker 1: we keep you on your toes, changing things up now
Speaker 1: and then and today you better be right. See you
Speaker 1: gotta take my spot now, can you do that? No?
Speaker 1: I cannot big shoes down that big shoes over the
Speaker 1: other field too. So here we are. As you can tell,
Speaker 1: Bill Jones is not with us. He's on assignment in
Speaker 1: San Francisco with the Western Conference finals the MAVs and
Speaker 1: Golden State. Uh so I am filling in. I'm jealous.
Speaker 1: Everson Walls is filling in for me, although in his
Speaker 1: same seat, and we are glad to have Cowboys college
Speaker 1: scouting coordinator Chris Hall to join us. Christopher started to
Speaker 1: be here, fellas, I'm doing great hopefully. I know Chris
Speaker 1: has done some of the other show podcasts, and for
Speaker 1: those of you on Mixed Shots that you need to
Speaker 1: understand that Chris is beginning to start his thirty third
Speaker 1: season with the cow Blow. What is your great, dude? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's in there. That's why I keep it so long.
Speaker 1: He started at fifteen. What are you talking to? It
Speaker 1: jumps out, So I just want to say this, don't
Speaker 1: come on here like Patrick Beverley. Okay, we've been doing
Speaker 1: just messing up everything. When it comes to the NBA puntings,
Speaker 1: they've allowed him to come into the studio. So he's
Speaker 1: just reaking have it and getting revenge on anyone that
Speaker 1: he played against. So he's ranting against Chris Paul. You
Speaker 1: know I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, well it's he's just
Speaker 1: like get back. You know, it's revenge on everyone. So Chris,
Speaker 1: we don't need that, Okay, I will be no more
Speaker 1: than we're not sure Chris has anybody to get in
Speaker 1: revenge since he's spent half his more than half his
Speaker 1: life here with the Cowboys. Definitely. So how did you
Speaker 1: get started? Nineteen ninety? Yeah, so I was incredibly fortunate
Speaker 1: to land a job here in the fall in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: right out of college. Some of you may know the
Speaker 1: name Brett Daniels. He worked in PR Forever and Ever,
Speaker 1: and Brett and I were roommates at SMU way back
Speaker 1: in the day, and Brett had got an internship in
Speaker 1: the pr department for a year and he chose to
Speaker 1: stay and ended up getting hooked on and he called
Speaker 1: me one afternoon and said, Hey, there's a spot in
Speaker 1: the scouting department. This guy just got fired over there
Speaker 1: looking for somebody to work. And at that time I
Speaker 1: was using my you know, uh big SMU degree in
Speaker 1: advertising with the minor and physical education to deliver mail
Speaker 1: around the athletic compartment over there, and my bank account
Speaker 1: was quickly dwindling and I needed a real job, and
Speaker 1: he hooked me up with an interview with Dick Mansburger
Speaker 1: and Bob Accles, who were in charge at the time,
Speaker 1: and I did enough to impress him to get a
Speaker 1: second interview, and they hired me the second time back.
Speaker 1: And I've somehow managed to stay here since September in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and worked in the personnel department, mostly in
Speaker 1: college scouting the whole time, and had a lot of
Speaker 1: great mentors over the years that helped me learn and
Speaker 1: grow in the game, and just been fortunate to be
Speaker 1: a part of this great organization for as long as
Speaker 1: I have, so be blessed. And so you have to
Speaker 1: understand Chris's job, I guess because I'm sure people that
Speaker 1: watched the draft they see Chris right there on the
Speaker 1: big table all the time. And so scouting coordinator what
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, so you know, that role has kind
Speaker 1: of evolved and changed over the years a little bit,
Speaker 1: but essentially what it means is in charge of our
Speaker 1: database that we build our college draft board with every year,
Speaker 1: and we belong to a scouting service called National Football
Speaker 1: Scouting and that's kind of our jump off point where
Speaker 1: they give us a list of anywhere from eight hundred
Speaker 1: to nine hundred guys and we build our list and
Speaker 1: formulate our scouting areas with our staff around that, and
Speaker 1: we set off at that point and from really well,
Speaker 1: we'll actually have our first meetings here over Memorial weekend
Speaker 1: where we'll get the new list for next year and
Speaker 1: we'll carve up the areas amongst all of our scouting
Speaker 1: staff and we go from there and we basically we
Speaker 1: kind of add guys as it go, and then we
Speaker 1: start to eliminate guys as we get through the fall
Speaker 1: and come up with you know, usually a little under
Speaker 1: two hundred names that we're interested in by the time
Speaker 1: we get to our draft board and we build that together.
Speaker 1: So my job is making sure all the scouts get
Speaker 1: to their get to their schools, get their reports in
Speaker 1: help manage that. I cover all the schools in Texas
Speaker 1: and New Mexico as well, kind of giving us a
Speaker 1: second look at that. So I get to get out
Speaker 1: on the road a little bit too. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we just go through a whole process of building that
Speaker 1: draft board every year and we get to where we're at,
Speaker 1: uh in April, and that's our super Bowl at the
Speaker 1: end of April. Or we get to make those make
Speaker 1: those selections. So Everson, he was nine years too late
Speaker 1: to help you out. Just gonna say, from nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: one to nineteen ninety did it change? Did the process
Speaker 1: change it all? I came out. I mean, I'm bawling, man.
Speaker 1: I wish you were that then you might have given
Speaker 1: me a break. You know, it might give me a
Speaker 1: good look. But now when it comes to you know,
Speaker 1: the how do you decide? Uh, you know, the like
Speaker 1: free agents and things of that nature. We talk undrafted
Speaker 1: free agency, you know that kind of thing. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's sensitive to me when you start thinking about myself
Speaker 1: and the guy like Michael Downs say, and you have
Speaker 1: a person like him who came from Rice University. I
Speaker 1: think he had four career wins. Yeah, at Rice intelligent.
Speaker 1: Everyone knew that about him. Tom Langie certainly shouldn't knew
Speaker 1: that the ballot because as soon as he came to camp,
Speaker 1: even though he was a free agent that we talk
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, even though he was a free agent,
Speaker 1: he's the first person that was noticed in the defensive
Speaker 1: bad group right away. It's like, this guy's amazing. Is
Speaker 1: he for a Rice? No? Hell no, he can't be
Speaker 1: for Rice R So how does someone like that? That's
Speaker 1: the hardest part of our job is we can teach
Speaker 1: anybody how to scout a football player, right, here's what
Speaker 1: we're looking for athletically and everything. The hardest part of
Speaker 1: our job is finding out who the person is and
Speaker 1: can they learn or how do they learn? Right? How
Speaker 1: long does it take them to learn the playbook or
Speaker 1: learn whatever part of their position that they're going to
Speaker 1: have to do for a coach to have enough confidence
Speaker 1: in them to keep him on the roster and then
Speaker 1: eventually put him in the game. And that's the tricks
Speaker 1: part because sometimes we don't have access to the people
Speaker 1: who can really tell you, can this guy really learn
Speaker 1: football or what? How do I have to teach him.
Speaker 1: He might not be the sharpest guy, but he gets football,
Speaker 1: and here's how I have to get it to him.
Speaker 1: Do you rank um undrafted? Yeah? We have different levels
Speaker 1: of free agents what we call we call a priority
Speaker 1: free agent, a camp free agent, and then the free
Speaker 1: agents that we hope we're playing against if they make
Speaker 1: another okay, okay, um so, and they all have a
Speaker 1: different value to us, you know, and now they have
Speaker 1: different right now, there's different categories you can put them in.
Speaker 1: Can they have practice field players? Exactly? So, And that
Speaker 1: comes into it too when we're sitting there and making
Speaker 1: decisions after we've used the draft picks and it's over,
Speaker 1: and now we're signing rookie free agents. Um, we've got
Speaker 1: our list of that and and that becomes a real
Speaker 1: scrum with other teams. And you know that starts, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way before the draft so over, because as
Speaker 1: you're going through that, you're starting to talk to agents. Hey,
Speaker 1: if your guy doesn't get drafted, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: what would you be interested in coming to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and a good age and has already scouted everybody's roster
Speaker 1: and knows, well, man, you know what, they've only got
Speaker 1: four dbs coming back. They drafted one. There's going to
Speaker 1: be two guys, two other guys that make their team.
Speaker 1: It's a great opportunity, and it might be if the
Speaker 1: guy's really doing his work. It's more about opportunity than
Speaker 1: it is. Hey, we're going to give him five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and the Dolphins are going to give him ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Well, the Dolphins got a full house, but
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have two spots that somebody could make their roster.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, it was you got ten thousand
Speaker 1: and yeah, right, I'm I'm getting too right here. He's
Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars. I got fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but compared to five thousand dollars nineteen eighty one, fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred five thousand, now that's pretty much have gone right right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I think So that's a that's an extra
Speaker 1: zero on that total. Then Drew pierced and got back
Speaker 1: in exactly what was it seventy three, seventy three, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, and what he got a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: and they gave it to him. It's like they had cash,
Speaker 1: right yeah, and as he said, yeah, but Gil gave
Speaker 1: it to us in one so it looked like a
Speaker 1: big stack of money a lot, right or you know,
Speaker 1: you could have got a horse trailer as you're signing it, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a story back there, so sore Drew Drew
Speaker 1: would tell the story that so he got one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty. He said, he barely had enough gas to
Speaker 1: get to the hotel where the cowboys scout was to
Speaker 1: meet him, and uh, he was going to go back
Speaker 1: to the dorm. He was married at the time, but
Speaker 1: he was going to go back to the dorm and
Speaker 1: celebrate with the guys, right, so on me, So he
Speaker 1: said he called his wife and said I got drafted,
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, how much did you get?
Speaker 1: Uh up front? And he goes, well, I got seventy
Speaker 1: five dollars, I said, I want to make sure I
Speaker 1: had seventy five more to treat the guys, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think so everything's changed now. So how
Speaker 1: did how did they get ahold of you? How did
Speaker 1: they say they they were calling the uh where you
Speaker 1: had Grambling at the time. I was at Grambling. No,
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was in school trying to
Speaker 1: finish up. Uh. They had three three classes that last semester.
Speaker 1: I was so upset that I didn't even get a
Speaker 1: look at They came to see me before the second
Speaker 1: day of the draft with the free agent contract before
Speaker 1: the second day were the free agent contract, and I
Speaker 1: believe I think it was uh Jethro. They came down
Speaker 1: with the money, Jethro Pugh, I think Jethro, Oh, no doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well Bill would just hire out of anybody. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know take a trip to Grambling, Like no, well,
Speaker 1: here's some money. Then you want to take a trip
Speaker 1: to Grammar. Yes, I'll take a trip to Grammar. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it happened. And uh, my buddy
Speaker 1: adslod King said, uh, he thinks they came down there
Speaker 1: with with two thousand, but if I if I went
Speaker 1: for the fifteen hundred, then he'd keep the other five hundred.
Speaker 1: So that that was a wild wild West back then.
Speaker 1: And everybody was so mad about not getting drafted. And
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to know what the look was
Speaker 1: in with gloss to ranking undrafted. Yea, And that what
Speaker 1: you just hit on is one of the harder things
Speaker 1: because the players disappointed he didn't get drafted because he's
Speaker 1: been getting buttered up this whole time. His agent's probably
Speaker 1: been telling him he's going to be a third round
Speaker 1: pick and he slides all the way down. And you've
Speaker 1: spent all this money now training. Most of these guys
Speaker 1: aren't in school at that point, right they tap out
Speaker 1: and go to Michael Johnson's place or one of these
Speaker 1: exos facilities which are all geared up, and those aren't cheap.
Speaker 1: I mean, agents will spend twenty to thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: depending on the package that they put together. And that's
Speaker 1: training that includes housing, that includes meals, and includes all
Speaker 1: the work that you do up to the combine. And
Speaker 1: then some of these guys don't even go to the
Speaker 1: combine and then they've got to rely on knocking it
Speaker 1: out at their pro day and having a great pro day.
Speaker 1: It's all in that one look at that point as
Speaker 1: to that can shape whether they get drafted or they
Speaker 1: become a free agent. And there's so many different variables
Speaker 1: that go into that. The depth of that position on
Speaker 1: any given year, there might be a lean year at
Speaker 1: safety and only six, seven, eight guys get drafted, and
Speaker 1: then there's a whole bunch of guys and one of
Speaker 1: those guys is going to turn out being a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player. Speaking up, Okay, this year's draft week strong
Speaker 1: average depending on what position you talk about. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it started the quarterbacks, which is the moneymaking
Speaker 1: thing right now. You know, there were really probably I
Speaker 1: think there were only six guys that got drafted this year,
Speaker 1: and you know a couple of them slid down that
Speaker 1: were at one point or another talked about as being
Speaker 1: first round draft picks, and only six guys got taken right,
Speaker 1: and you know that tells does that make it weak
Speaker 1: because the quarterback situation was weak? I think you could
Speaker 1: look at it that way, definitely. You know, you move
Speaker 1: over to the running back position. You know, in the
Speaker 1: last few years, the term is it's been deep valued
Speaker 1: because people aren't paying for running backs anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: Zeke and Derrick Henry might be the two last guys
Speaker 1: that got big, big contracts. And now it's you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of find a guy that can come in there,
Speaker 1: you run them and it's it's a tandem position now.
Speaker 1: In a lot of cases, two guys are doing the job.
Speaker 1: There's not really any three hundred carry guys anymore in
Speaker 1: the league. They're very few. So, you know, it's so
Speaker 1: hard on where you invest your dollars now with the
Speaker 1: salary cap, and especially if you have a quarterback and
Speaker 1: you're paying forty plus million dollars, that's twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: percent of the cap net in one position. So that's
Speaker 1: where it's so important. At us on the college end,
Speaker 1: we hit on our draft picks and we get those
Speaker 1: value guys for three to five years, depending on where
Speaker 1: you take them, that make a little bit less money,
Speaker 1: that allow you to go out and play the free
Speaker 1: agent market, you know. So that's that's the challenge. We
Speaker 1: don't we don't ever want to miss on those first
Speaker 1: three guys because if you do, now you're having to
Speaker 1: go try and replace a guy that should be a
Speaker 1: starter for you. You know, in our minds, we think
Speaker 1: our first and second round picks have to be starters
Speaker 1: at some point, and you're really you're really hoping your
Speaker 1: third and fourth round guys become starters, and again starters
Speaker 1: a relative term is a Nicolas starters. Your third round
Speaker 1: receiver starter is your backup tight end depending on how
Speaker 1: many what's your personnel packages are? How do you factor
Speaker 1: those guys into whether they're a starter or not. So
Speaker 1: it's really interesting how you got to manage that cap
Speaker 1: and how so important what we do on the college
Speaker 1: end of getting those draft picks right has become paramount
Speaker 1: in helping your cap situation. So you're talking about the
Speaker 1: CAPE and you have money. How do I put this
Speaker 1: priority money per position? Right? Which position do you value
Speaker 1: the most? When you're looking at those probably those first
Speaker 1: three rounds, it's like you you value certain positions more
Speaker 1: than others. Yeah, you do. And within that you're still
Speaker 1: looking at you know, you don't want to get on
Speaker 1: the team position, but you want to help your team out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the other that's the other chicken. And
Speaker 1: the guys are you're drafting for need or you're drafting
Speaker 1: the best player, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you're trying to do both. You're trying to draft the
Speaker 1: best player that fits the need of your team that
Speaker 1: you have, and there's a little bit of a sliding
Speaker 1: scale there. At some point, you know, you look up
Speaker 1: and you're like, holy cow, how is that guy? Still there.
Speaker 1: We really don't need that position, but that guy's an
Speaker 1: A player. You always want to add a players to
Speaker 1: your I always say you want to add an A
Speaker 1: player to your roster whenever you can, versus a B
Speaker 1: player at a position that you need. So you got
Speaker 1: first and second rounds that you probably ortize. So now
Speaker 1: you got once again undraft your free agents. And I've
Speaker 1: got a call from my I'm sure you get calls
Speaker 1: to people want to look at you, you know, to
Speaker 1: take a look at this kid or whatever. When I
Speaker 1: was coming out as a free agent, I did well.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, everybody's calling me to see if
Speaker 1: they can get a try out for the Cowboys through me,
Speaker 1: because I made like, if Kuby can do it, anybody
Speaker 1: can do it. And so that was weird. But uh,
Speaker 1: I get a call from about Marquis bell Is that
Speaker 1: Marcus down I was talking about up and so a
Speaker 1: guy like that, what's his story and how did he
Speaker 1: get here? We'll tell your connection first before you My
Speaker 1: connection is my college teammates, Mike Haines. Yep, other Mike Haines,
Speaker 1: not the Mike Haines. Uh. He has his older brother
Speaker 1: married to a young lady and they Wander, and Wander's
Speaker 1: nephew is Marquis. So now they give me a call
Speaker 1: telling me to look out for him, and from what
Speaker 1: I can see, he's already being looked out for. He
Speaker 1: seems to be ranked pretty well. They seems to look
Speaker 1: good in his uniform. So as an undrafted free agent,
Speaker 1: what's his story and how did he get there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Marquis's story is a really really intriguing one. You know,
Speaker 1: he started off at Maryland and ran into some issues
Speaker 1: there that that got resolved. But the long story short,
Speaker 1: he ended up at Florida A and M and he
Speaker 1: did really well there. And Marquis is a guy who
Speaker 1: has been as big as two thirty and as little
Speaker 1: as one ninety five throughout his college career. So he's,
Speaker 1: you know, one minute you might think he's a linebacker,
Speaker 1: the next minute he's a safety. And he's done well
Speaker 1: at every stop along the way. He was a guy
Speaker 1: that we had kind of in the draft will range,
Speaker 1: and he slipped through because we chose to go in
Speaker 1: different direction with all those fifth and sixth round picks
Speaker 1: we had. But we had had a great connection with
Speaker 1: him and we had him here on campus as one
Speaker 1: of our thirty visits and got to know him really well,
Speaker 1: and I think that probably helped us in recruiting him
Speaker 1: as as a priority free agent as we would call it.
Speaker 1: You know, he's come out here and he's looked great.
Speaker 1: You know, he's made a great impression. In wan Yer Thomas,
Speaker 1: another kid that we signed, they've both done a great
Speaker 1: job and caught the coach's eyes. They've got in, they've
Speaker 1: done the things they've needed to do, and you know
Speaker 1: he's going to have a shot to make our football
Speaker 1: team at the end of the day if he continues
Speaker 1: to do the things that he showed us right out
Speaker 1: of the gate. Um, do you open the picture I
Speaker 1: sent you up? Saw that? Yeah, he look was it
Speaker 1: was a workout right and not looked at it and
Speaker 1: I go, that looks like a linebacker and he runs
Speaker 1: like one. And see another thing where positioning and one
Speaker 1: of the things that that has become there's especially with
Speaker 1: what DK Hughes brought in on our defense, we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of roles. So like what you saw with
Speaker 1: j K last year, Curse. You know, he's our big nickel.
Speaker 1: He matches up with tight ends and played incredibly so
Speaker 1: now that's a role. Well, something were to happen to JK.
Speaker 1: We need somebody that can do those similar things. You know,
Speaker 1: Marquise and Jandair that type of guy that may fit
Speaker 1: into that role. You know, their way in obviously is
Speaker 1: through special teams to start with, so you know they
Speaker 1: should already be best friends with John Fossil and getting
Speaker 1: all that stuff put together so they can play on
Speaker 1: all four units and find their way to that fifty
Speaker 1: three man and then ultimately game day ross which, by
Speaker 1: the way, so you you mentioned Fossil and uh, somebody
Speaker 1: asked him. So during the mini camp last last week
Speaker 1: on the weekend, somebody asked him, have you have you
Speaker 1: talked to Fossil yet about special teams? Because he said, yeah.
Speaker 1: He goes in in high school, he was a quarterback,
Speaker 1: he was a wide receiver, he was a defensive back.
Speaker 1: He said, he returned kicks, but this was the good one.
Speaker 1: He was also a kicker who he kicked and he
Speaker 1: was a straight on kicker. He said, I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: I told the tick and someone to ask Aball, how
Speaker 1: what's your longest kick? And he goes, I made a
Speaker 1: forty five yard or in high school, and so he goes,
Speaker 1: maybe that would that would be longer, right, right, because
Speaker 1: they'll goal post a different Well they're no, they're the same,
Speaker 1: but they're wider, Okay, I thought maybe. Yeah. Anyway, he said,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to go talk to coach Fossils. You
Speaker 1: got to fill that, Jeff Heathroll. That's right, Absolutely, somebody's
Speaker 1: going to be But yeah, when I started looking at
Speaker 1: his stuff, how how versatile he was? Uh the fact
Speaker 1: that you know he he left high school early to
Speaker 1: enroll on Maryland, ran into a problem, and then ended
Speaker 1: up at Coffeeville Junior College, and then after two years
Speaker 1: ended up at fam Us who else went the Coffeeville
Speaker 1: Ron Springs Denny really Yeah, Yeah, he's one of the
Speaker 1: better one in best coffee fills ever seen. Tell Tell
Speaker 1: Tell Chris uh ron Springs. What he called people that
Speaker 1: went to Rice. The acronym was a minute Rice minute
Speaker 1: Rice because they can only play well for one minute?
Speaker 1: Does will know about that? Yeah? He didn't stop there, Okay.
Speaker 1: He called all the HBCUs, the Negro League, so and
Speaker 1: and and and again. If if my information was right, Uh,
Speaker 1: this will tell you how much they valued Mark. He's
Speaker 1: bell his signing bonus was fifteen thousand wousedly, So that's
Speaker 1: kind of the upper level of what we definitely have
Speaker 1: as we go into that, we prioritize and you only
Speaker 1: now the Yeah, the tricky thing is you only have
Speaker 1: for your rookie For your rookie free agents, you only
Speaker 1: have I think the number this year was one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty seven thousand dollars up and down from that
Speaker 1: shag maybe up just a hair literally, I think it
Speaker 1: was one sixty or one sixty five last year. So,
Speaker 1: but that's all you have in a signing bonus to
Speaker 1: allocate to the guy. Now, there's some other ways where
Speaker 1: you can guarantee P five money for a guy, and
Speaker 1: what we try and do is equate that too if
Speaker 1: he makes the practice squad, will it balance out so
Speaker 1: you're not on the downside of owing a guy that's
Speaker 1: not here. And that's where it gets tricky. I mean,
Speaker 1: not everybody hits. You miss on a few of them too,
Speaker 1: or guys struggle to pick things up and or they
Speaker 1: they're not exactly what you thought they were. Now, I
Speaker 1: think I feel like we've done a phenomenal job over
Speaker 1: the years of going in rookie free agents that goes
Speaker 1: all the way back to the example of you and
Speaker 1: Drew and all the way back. And you know we
Speaker 1: had Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Barry Church. I mean, guys
Speaker 1: that came in. Jeff Heath was another one, uh, Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: Guys that have come in and been productive starters for us.
Speaker 1: And that's a big, big piece of pride that we
Speaker 1: love should because it's an extra it's an extra draft pick.
Speaker 1: And if those guys make your team, they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're not hurting your cap the first few years they're
Speaker 1: in there. They're their bargains. Quite honestly, cowboy's free agency
Speaker 1: has always been legendary and back in your days, it
Speaker 1: wasn't about the cap. It was about Texas back pocket,
Speaker 1: right and also the great thing back in the day,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many guys did you go to training
Speaker 1: camp with your first and how many days did you
Speaker 1: go before the even showed up? Yeah, we had two
Speaker 1: weeks again shape with By the time they got to
Speaker 1: see us, we look totally different from when we left Dallas. Yes, crazy.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, when I looked into after you told
Speaker 1: me that, I said, well, this kid's he's got something
Speaker 1: U and then obs what they ended up paying him
Speaker 1: was saying, Okay, they think he does have something. So
Speaker 1: you got a guy to keep an eye on. But
Speaker 1: when you see him, he passes the eyeball test. I'll
Speaker 1: guarantee you was there anybody else that maybe stuck out
Speaker 1: that you are okay to talk about? You know, we
Speaker 1: feel like part of that thirty visit stuff is great
Speaker 1: for us because a little bit of that is a
Speaker 1: recruiting pitch when you get to that point if you
Speaker 1: think a guy's going to be a late round pick
Speaker 1: versus a free agent, if he's already here and has
Speaker 1: some familiarity with your coaching staff and your coaches have
Speaker 1: been able to get him in the room and talk
Speaker 1: ball with him and give him a little football test
Speaker 1: and see how he picks up this part of the
Speaker 1: scheme that you're installing. Now, you know you got a
Speaker 1: guy that you can teach and grow and learn and
Speaker 1: work with. A couple of the running backs that we
Speaker 1: brought in, Malik Davis. He was another kid we had
Speaker 1: on our deal for a thirty visit and had a
Speaker 1: good feel for him them and you know that position,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going to be for a
Speaker 1: year from now. You know, you got contract issues coming
Speaker 1: up with Tony and Zeke both potentially Rico Dado, who
Speaker 1: was our third last year's coming off a hip injury,
Speaker 1: and you know that's a spot where a guy might
Speaker 1: be able to make our team. And the more you
Speaker 1: can do. The other big thing we always say is
Speaker 1: the more you can do. What's the second thing a
Speaker 1: guy can do? Is he a core special teams guy?
Speaker 1: Does he return punts or kicks? Can he play a
Speaker 1: second position? If you're a receiver and you can play
Speaker 1: inside in outside, that's a huge value. We want guys
Speaker 1: that can that can do both, so we can move
Speaker 1: them around so they can play all three spots or no,
Speaker 1: all three spots. I tell the kids all the time.
Speaker 1: I coached some kids every once in a while these
Speaker 1: uh private camps, and I tell them, the more you
Speaker 1: can do, the more you can do. That's it. The
Speaker 1: more you can do, the more you can do. You know.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn to kind of pick up with Chris said
Speaker 1: earlier he was talking about when he looks at a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, he looks at him not so much as
Speaker 1: what he did in college, but what he would do
Speaker 1: for me in my system like they were. I think
Speaker 1: it came up about Tyler Smith. Yeah, and he was saying, well,
Speaker 1: you kind of look at Okay, well, this is what
Speaker 1: they asked him to do there. This might be what
Speaker 1: we asked him to do here. Same thing with Sam Williams.
Speaker 1: That's who he was talking. It's like, Okay, old miss
Speaker 1: wanted him to do this, but when he comes here,
Speaker 1: we're going to ask him to do that. And he
Speaker 1: goes and that's why, and he just off the cuff said,
Speaker 1: and that's why. When I saw Marquis, he said, huh,
Speaker 1: maybe he can play linebacker for him, you know. And
Speaker 1: so that's how they And then you go back and
Speaker 1: you look at his history and he kind of did
Speaker 1: and you know, he can be two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pounds if that's the direction we want to go with him.
Speaker 1: So those things you factor into. And it's not just
Speaker 1: the physical, it's the mentality that he has. I've been
Speaker 1: there before. I know I know how to play. Okay,
Speaker 1: from high school, I was a safety with the Graham
Speaker 1: and became a corner. But and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I go go to the pros nineteen ninety, I'm playing safety.
Speaker 1: You know, but it's it was always there from from
Speaker 1: high school. Just as you know, the game looks different
Speaker 1: from whatever position. So the difference between We argue about
Speaker 1: this all the time. I can play right or left corner,
Speaker 1: or right or left safety, offensive lineman, especially tackles. Okay,
Speaker 1: right tackle, left tackle? Is it that uh detail that
Speaker 1: is difficult to play one side versus the other? Why
Speaker 1: can't a guy because you see cornerbacks do it all
Speaker 1: the time. You go from the right side to the
Speaker 1: left side, no big deal. You might feel more comfortable
Speaker 1: one side the other, but this it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a deal breaker if I have to go play left corner.
Speaker 1: But I'm a right corners bags and I talk about this.
Speaker 1: He thinks that the nuances between the right tackle and
Speaker 1: left tackle it is huge and makes a huge difference
Speaker 1: in how you gray the player and what you're gonna
Speaker 1: put he's on the team. It's probably comes down to
Speaker 1: who you're playing against you because normally the defensive end
Speaker 1: on that side is the guy that's the guy most
Speaker 1: you know. It's funny, though, I'm not sure that's so
Speaker 1: much the case anymore anymore, because even we've done a
Speaker 1: little research on that go look and see where Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett lines up. Most of the time he's going against
Speaker 1: the right tackle. And you know, the whole blindside thing
Speaker 1: came in because that's you know, most quarterbacks are right handed.
Speaker 1: You want to protect the backside of him right And yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's no question. And you know, to answer your
Speaker 1: original question, I think the biggest thing for the lineman
Speaker 1: is the footwork and the hand placement. It's all opposite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: out at corner, you're flipping your hips right and if
Speaker 1: you if you're a slinky athlete out there, you can
Speaker 1: probably flip open one way or the other. Now, if
Speaker 1: you've always been a right tackle your whole life, and
Speaker 1: your your feet are moving the same way and you're
Speaker 1: hunching more with one hand, it makes a huge difference
Speaker 1: to all a sudden flip over to the other side
Speaker 1: and now it's backwards and you kind of gotta work
Speaker 1: into feeling that a little bit now. Really good guys
Speaker 1: can do that. Yeah. Um, you saw Terrence Steel flip
Speaker 1: back and forth for us last year out of necessity
Speaker 1: until we kind of do it to do it. No,
Speaker 1: you want to stay comfortable, you know, you want to
Speaker 1: keep your five together as much as you can, because
Speaker 1: it's the buddy system too. I know what what Zach's
Speaker 1: gonna do playing here on my left, and I know
Speaker 1: what Tyler's going to go here, and you know all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. The more familiarity, the more of
Speaker 1: those five guys can play together, generally, it's a better field.
Speaker 1: They're they're on the same page. And are you looking
Speaker 1: at tackles that can swing? Do you look at you
Speaker 1: love to find the swing tackle. What you feel about it,
Speaker 1: you know, and one that could play garden? Sure of
Speaker 1: course come from guard then go swing tackle. And here's
Speaker 1: here's here's a great point on that. You know, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, media wise, maybe we took a little heat
Speaker 1: because you know we might have you know, showed our
Speaker 1: drifting board up there on the deal and the guy
Speaker 1: we took was higher than, you know, than Kenyan Green
Speaker 1: and m and Zion from BC. Now, neither one of
Speaker 1: those guys were available for us. But you know, between Zion,
Speaker 1: you know, being a guard center and Tyler being a
Speaker 1: guard tackle, if you think a guy can be your
Speaker 1: left tackle for the future, you're taking him a hundred
Speaker 1: times over one hundred verses. The guy that might be
Speaker 1: your center for and that's the value of the left
Speaker 1: tackle position, the pass rusher, the shutdown corner, the quarterback.
Speaker 1: They just have, you know, a more perceived value. And
Speaker 1: if you can get a guy at that spot that
Speaker 1: can play that and you're not hunting that position, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a home run for you. All Right, So I'm
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Speaker 1: almost after almost years saying right and uh, we're happy
Speaker 1: to be joined by Chris Hall, all the Cowboys scouting
Speaker 1: coordinator with us here and Chris worked with a guy
Speaker 1: that could tell a story right, and he's a story
Speaker 1: in himself. Former Cowboys College scouting director and pro scouting
Speaker 1: director Larry Lacewell passed away yesterday. You didn't know that
Speaker 1: Lace passed away. He had suffered a couple strokes since
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and it I mean he was here from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two, I think through two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: three thousand and four. At two thousand and five, Bill
Speaker 1: was kind of reconstructing the scouting department and Larry was
Speaker 1: let go. And he had a great quote talking to
Speaker 1: the Touchdown Club in Little Rock a little bit after that.
Speaker 1: He said, I left the Cowboys due to illness and fatigue.
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels was sick and tired of me. I thought
Speaker 1: that just sums up That sums up Lace, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got so many stories he Uh no, I don't
Speaker 1: know what two alpha males is? That what it is.
Speaker 1: I think Bill probably thought I'll answer to this. He
Speaker 1: may know, but he probably thought that Lace had a
Speaker 1: pipeline straight to Jerry didn't have to. But anyway, uh,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two to two thousand and four, and uh gosh,
Speaker 1: Chris worked with them almost every one of those years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I sure did. And Larry was you know, became like
Speaker 1: a second father to me and really mentored me along
Speaker 1: and learning the game of football. And developing everything that
Speaker 1: that I did, and not just Larry, all those guys
Speaker 1: that I worked with when I first came in. Sadly,
Speaker 1: there's only two of them left at this point, Ron
Speaker 1: marsh Sack and walt Yworski and Jim Garrett. You know,
Speaker 1: I was so fortunate to be around guys that had
Speaker 1: just unbelievable experience in the game on so many different levels.
Speaker 1: But Larry was great. I I you know, I worked
Speaker 1: two years with Dick Mansburger and Bob Eackles and those guys,
Speaker 1: and and Dick was Dick was a hard charging twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven, probably thirty seven, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was a twenty three, twenty four year old kid right
Speaker 1: out of college, and you know, there were a few
Speaker 1: other things on my interest played at the time, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was I was actually gonna leave and
Speaker 1: go to grad school at University of Colorado. And Dick
Speaker 1: came in the day after the draft my second year here,
Speaker 1: and he quit, you know, he just he didn't like
Speaker 1: Jimmy moving the magnets around on the board, you know.
Speaker 1: So Dick checked out, and I decided, well, I'll wait
Speaker 1: and see who comes in, and they hired Larry, and
Speaker 1: like I said, Larry became my second dad. And his
Speaker 1: relationship at the time with with with Jerry and with
Speaker 1: Jimmy and then of course with Barry. I mean, they
Speaker 1: all had this Arkansas connection and they were all, you know,
Speaker 1: truly had a love for each other at various different times,
Speaker 1: you know, growing up, and they intertwined and intermingled over
Speaker 1: the years from the sixties and seventies to the eighties,
Speaker 1: and they had this great history amongst all of them,
Speaker 1: and then they all end up here. Yeah, and just
Speaker 1: unbelievable great football minds. And uh, you know, as you
Speaker 1: mentioned Larry got he could tell a story that you know,
Speaker 1: it was he loved. He loved interjecting himself into it.
Speaker 1: But he was first wanted to step on his own
Speaker 1: toes and they would love it too, you know. And
Speaker 1: you know, he just brought so much to the table
Speaker 1: with everything. And I think he helped so many of
Speaker 1: those defensive coaches in particular and grow up into you know,
Speaker 1: Campo and Zimmer and those guys just learn about the
Speaker 1: game and help them along the way with everything that
Speaker 1: they were doing too. On top of learning the scouting
Speaker 1: game and how that all worked and everything. And I
Speaker 1: think my funniest one of the funniest stories I could
Speaker 1: tell about Larry was he'd been here a year or
Speaker 1: two and Jimmy was still here at the time, and
Speaker 1: we belonged to a pro scouting service called Getting Scouting,
Speaker 1: and Gettings would grade all the NFL players. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a supplement to your pro department. But they
Speaker 1: had a book and a number. You'd get this book
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, well Larry didn't his first year.
Speaker 1: He didn't really have any idea that that was even there.
Speaker 1: And Jimmy would come into Larry's office every now and
Speaker 1: then and say, hey, what about this guy Lasion, need
Speaker 1: you look at him? You know, he'd give him a
Speaker 1: little description of him, and you know, Larry'd go, look
Speaker 1: at him. Go damn, Jimmy, he's got that guy right. Well,
Speaker 1: for longest time, Larry had no idea that Jimmy had
Speaker 1: these Getting Scouting grades. And he would come in if
Speaker 1: there's a trade coming around, and he'd be like, how
Speaker 1: does that say? It's no all these guys like that,
Speaker 1: How does he have time to watch him? And scut
Speaker 1: here was in the Gettings and it was just you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I got it. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of a funny learning lesson along the way. But man,
Speaker 1: there are just so many great you know, being a
Speaker 1: part of three Super Bowls and their Lindies and everything,
Speaker 1: and you know, getting all those draft picks we had
Speaker 1: back then and still taking advantage of building the team
Speaker 1: through that and everything. And Larry was a huge part
Speaker 1: of that and learned along the way and was a
Speaker 1: great confidante for Jerry and Jimmy too, and then of
Speaker 1: course Barry when he was here with all that too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he kind of was the piece in between
Speaker 1: everything that kind of kept everybody in touch with what
Speaker 1: was going on on the other side of the building
Speaker 1: old Valley Ranch back there, which is a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Lace thought he had patched things up in ninety four
Speaker 1: in that spring. I remember him telling me, he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, I calmed Jimmy down. I calmed
Speaker 1: Jerry down. He goes, I think we got one more
Speaker 1: year left, and he didn't have. But he was he
Speaker 1: was always the guy in between and uh gosh, I
Speaker 1: could you know, he taught me a lot of football
Speaker 1: just listening to him, right, That was one of Larry's gifts.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who you were. He would talk football
Speaker 1: to a chipmunk. I mean it was if you were
Speaker 1: willing to listen, he was gonna give you his knowledge
Speaker 1: of the game and it was it was vast and
Speaker 1: the experience that he had, you know, from from being
Speaker 1: the left guard coach on the JV team for Bear
Speaker 1: Bryant in nineteen sixty when he first started at our
Speaker 1: first job coaching Bear Bryant. Bear and his dad grew
Speaker 1: up together in Four Dice, Arkansas, and Bear always took
Speaker 1: took good care. And that was another great story too.
Speaker 1: I remember Larry Tall, he was the head coached Arkansas
Speaker 1: State at the time, and they played Alabama, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those money games, and Larry was all pissed
Speaker 1: off and he was talking to Bear before the game,
Speaker 1: am saying, my damn offensive coordinator wants to do this
Speaker 1: and that. And Larry would always do voices too, and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, Bear said to him, well, Larry,
Speaker 1: let me ask you the question. He said, are you
Speaker 1: the head coach? He said, well, yeah, of course I'm
Speaker 1: the head coach. Well then it stops with you. And
Speaker 1: it was a great lesson that you know, if you
Speaker 1: are the head coach, you dictate what what goes on.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great lesson and reminder to everybody
Speaker 1: that you know, that's where it comes down to the perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was another story came out of that game too,
Speaker 1: because they basically played the game to make money, right,
Speaker 1: they got paid to Anyway, There's a story I read
Speaker 1: about it said that Larry was underneath the goal post
Speaker 1: before the game and it was warm ups and Bear
Speaker 1: comes up to him and goes, well, Larry, you're scared.
Speaker 1: And he looked at him. He goes, Coach, I'm scared
Speaker 1: to death. And they only got beat like thirty eight
Speaker 1: to seven, and anything Barrett probably pulled off, you know,
Speaker 1: the troops and uh, but yeah, I just think it's
Speaker 1: great you have. All the great stories are not just
Speaker 1: on the field. Right when you start talking about the legacy.
Speaker 1: I always were always talking about the legacy. How the
Speaker 1: draft and uh with with Fredericks and those guys, just
Speaker 1: how we created that that offensive line. How that's why
Speaker 1: Zeke got to be a contract that you just talked
Speaker 1: about because of that draft and so, uh, you guys
Speaker 1: are the reason for that, right, I mean you're trying
Speaker 1: to create that uh from year to year. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: either you keep either you keep this particular culture going
Speaker 1: the running game in this particular case. Now you trying
Speaker 1: when do you start switching over to defense or kind
Speaker 1: of we're gonna have We're gonna be, uh like a
Speaker 1: Ravens guys defense or are we gonna be a finesse defense.
Speaker 1: So these are the kind of things that you guys
Speaker 1: have to figure out when you draft these guys. Those
Speaker 1: are those are some of the hardest things for us
Speaker 1: to do. And I can't give Will McClay enough credit
Speaker 1: for what he's been able to do, you know, since
Speaker 1: he's taken over in terms of bringing our coaching staff
Speaker 1: and our scouting staff together through different coaches and everything.
Speaker 1: But there's some places where coaching and scouting is its
Speaker 1: separation of church and state. They don't communicate, they don't
Speaker 1: We have such an amazing relationship from personnel to coaching,
Speaker 1: you know, they allow us to be a part of
Speaker 1: things and sitting meetings and understand terminology and we know
Speaker 1: what what DQ's looking for on defense, and what Kellen's
Speaker 1: looking for on offense, and overall what Mike wants to
Speaker 1: build a football team with and what they look like.
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes that takes good football players out
Speaker 1: of out of our range, you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we want we want big receivers, so small guys,
Speaker 1: or you've got to have speed, or you have to
Speaker 1: have athleticism to play in everywhere, but it's more important
Speaker 1: at certain spots. But us understanding and owing what our
Speaker 1: coaching staff wants to play with, man, that's a huge
Speaker 1: advantage for us knowing that when we see a guy,
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but he really doesn't fit what
Speaker 1: we're doing, so we don't devalue the guy, but we
Speaker 1: know that. Look, I know that guy's gonna be a
Speaker 1: good player, but I'm not going to die on the
Speaker 1: hill of trying to make him a third rounder on
Speaker 1: a draft board because he's really not what we're looking
Speaker 1: for in our offensive scheme, our defensive scheme, or whatever
Speaker 1: specific position you're talking. I remember my last year's with
Speaker 1: Cleveland clearly not just getting older, but slower. You could tell, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to with speed, and I was gone, And
Speaker 1: that's the decisions that they have to make. I could
Speaker 1: have I probably could have had an even better preseason
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't think it would have mattered because
Speaker 1: this is where they're trying to go. And that's just it.
Speaker 1: I don't care how many players are making they know
Speaker 1: it's not gonna last forever, you know, And so that yeah, see, Led,
Speaker 1: thank you. It was great having you. And that's when
Speaker 1: you talk about a change in the scope of the team,
Speaker 1: that's what's talk about. So one of the things that
Speaker 1: I always remember Larry kind of teaching me just listening
Speaker 1: to him, and would it be at times where I
Speaker 1: don't know, one side of the ball the other wasn't
Speaker 1: as good as it needed to be. And he would
Speaker 1: always tell me, he said, now on defense, I can
Speaker 1: scheme stuff up to maybe minimize my deficiencies and kind
Speaker 1: of junk it up and we can probably survive. He goes.
Speaker 1: On offense, you can't fake offense. No, he goes, you
Speaker 1: either got it or you don't. And you definitely can't
Speaker 1: fake the quarterback position. And he would just I would
Speaker 1: hear that over and over and I just always remember
Speaker 1: that about him. And I have to thank Chris because
Speaker 1: I remember Larry the last time he came to hear
Speaker 1: to the Star, and Chris reminded me he was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: So twenty sixteen he had had a stroke and he
Speaker 1: came here and they brought him out on the golf
Speaker 1: cart and he still had not just a golf cart
Speaker 1: that helicopter brought him first. But he went out on
Speaker 1: the field and I saw him and he hadn't regained
Speaker 1: his speech yet from and I'm going, this has got
Speaker 1: to be the saddest thing I've ever seen. I wrote
Speaker 1: about it for Today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com that
Speaker 1: the guy that loved to talk couldn't talk, He couldn't
Speaker 1: tell any more stories. And it was like, I was
Speaker 1: so happy to see him, but it was so sad
Speaker 1: that he was in that situation. But he battled on
Speaker 1: um and I think he had another stroke, yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: you know he unfortunately that first one took away his
Speaker 1: vast majority of his ability to communicate. He couldn't type,
Speaker 1: he couldn't text, so you couldn't even get to him
Speaker 1: with that. And Chris, his wife, God bless her, you know,
Speaker 1: for which he did for him the last five years
Speaker 1: or so. It was amazing. And it just, you know,
Speaker 1: it hurts seeing Larry not be able to do I mean,
Speaker 1: if you talk about somebody who was stuck in purgatory
Speaker 1: for the last five years. And it's funny. I texted
Speaker 1: with his son the other day and you know, after
Speaker 1: he passed the other night, and uh, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Dad's up in heaven right now,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's holding court. And Lane, Lane said
Speaker 1: to me, he goes, I thought the same thing. He said.
Speaker 1: You know, some poor some bitch was in the middle
Speaker 1: of telling this new guy showed up and he hadn't
Speaker 1: been able to get a word. And I believe that. Hun,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's the floodgates are back open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was uh, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean, how he's spent from ninety two
Speaker 1: through you know, even after he left. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: check in with him about this guy or that guy
Speaker 1: or why this didn't you know, and he was always
Speaker 1: going to go on and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: So when he was when they were leaving, I kind
Speaker 1: of gave him hug because you know, I know he
Speaker 1: could hear me, but it was just, uh it was
Speaker 1: kind of emotional from yeah, and uh so God bless
Speaker 1: him and fortunately I think, uh, you know, he was
Speaker 1: in the state of Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame, Arkansas
Speaker 1: State Hall of Fame. Uh, the Arkansas mana Cello, which
Speaker 1: was an m M the Hall of Fame. And then
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, uh and four did you say,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty No, no a M what what man Cello?
Speaker 1: Warks Arkansas and m oh okay, but before I mean
Speaker 1: it was and then it turned out into Monicello, Arkansas,
Speaker 1: Monicello and uh and in twenty twenty one, So in
Speaker 1: four dice they named the high school stadium after Bear Bryant.
Speaker 1: Bear Bryant Stadium. Well, they named the street leading up
Speaker 1: to the stadium Larry Lacewell. Oh it's pretty so kind
Speaker 1: of kept together and uh yeah, we'll miss Larry Lacewell.
Speaker 1: All right, we have one more segment left here on
Speaker 1: Mick shots. Before there was a draft, you could size
Speaker 1: up a cowboy by three simple factors. The crease in
Speaker 1: his hat, the bend of his brim, and his unbending attitude.
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Speaker 1: slurs on right now, is that they are expecially you
Speaker 1: might have to go get me some go get in
Speaker 1: your pocket. Though, well maybe it's all worth it, worth
Speaker 1: it out there, worth it that I read there, read
Speaker 1: there every day, right all right. Got a few minutes
Speaker 1: left here on mix shots. And one of the things
Speaker 1: I was in Kitto, since we were talking about undrafted
Speaker 1: free agents, the Cowboys brought in an undrafted free agent
Speaker 1: kicker yep, Jonathan Garabay, And I wonder how a whole
Speaker 1: new way of scouting rights And now I was going
Speaker 1: to ask how difficult that is to figure out? Okay,
Speaker 1: this college kicker, maybe that's a whole new basketball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we can all pretend like we
Speaker 1: know kicking named Steve Hoffman your way back in the day.
Speaker 1: My history with that was you know, Dan Bailey him
Speaker 1: when he came out. And the only thing I say
Speaker 1: about kickers, I couldn't tell you roll step, two step,
Speaker 1: jab step all that stuff. I just I've never heard
Speaker 1: that before. I just looked to see does the ball
Speaker 1: go between the two yellow pipes and does it look
Speaker 1: the same most of the time? Right? And you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: that's what Jonathan did this year. Fifteen out of sixteen.
Speaker 1: He's got a ginormous leg. He hit a sixty two
Speaker 1: or sixty three yard winner. Uh this year, only just
Speaker 1: one kick, and he's come out here. He's done a
Speaker 1: great job, you know, And obviously we're the most attractive
Speaker 1: place for an undrafted, you know, rookie free agent kicker
Speaker 1: to look at. And uh, you know, I hope he
Speaker 1: continues that track of nailing the ball like he has,
Speaker 1: and if he does, he'll be the Cowboys kicker for
Speaker 1: a few years. For showing up. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: you know, many kickers didn't get injured. And now I
Speaker 1: guess with the training and you know, doing more stuff,
Speaker 1: you got kickers being injured. I mean, you can't. You know,
Speaker 1: you look out for that. You know. One of the
Speaker 1: things that Hoffman taught me about kickers is he said,
Speaker 1: I want to see the ball go straight. I don't
Speaker 1: want under the curved stuff golf right and he goes
Speaker 1: and it was what Chris said, I want the kick
Speaker 1: to look the same. I jokingly say that, but like
Speaker 1: that's the simplest thing. If if if the ball looks
Speaker 1: the same all the time and it and it gets
Speaker 1: up in the air quick, whatever he's doing, I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: we can fix this is plant foots a little. The
Speaker 1: kicker knows what he's doing most of the time, and
Speaker 1: if the ball looks the same, he's probably pretty good.
Speaker 1: When I'd see somebody miss or it hit the upright
Speaker 1: and and Hoffman would go, yeah, but you know what
Speaker 1: he did. He kicked it straight. It just went straight,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe his aim was off, but the
Speaker 1: ball didn't move like when Zurline had troubles last year,
Speaker 1: the ball was moving. It seemed like he would hook it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, God forbid, don't you know, don't put
Speaker 1: him on the left half. So you guys signed h
Speaker 1: Voss trying to think of the guy he was here
Speaker 1: and then he just kicking his balls just stup going, man,
Speaker 1: what I mean, how often does because he was a
Speaker 1: good kicker. If I'm lost it overnight, yes, overnight it
Speaker 1: seemed actually the playoff game, remember, you know, I just
Speaker 1: I think so much of that is just your confidence too,
Speaker 1: And it seems something went wrong though overnight. Like he's
Speaker 1: saying that you're kicking the same way every time, saying motion.
Speaker 1: You know what. Gary Gara Bay had a funny quote.
Speaker 1: They asked him about, you know, kicking and everything, and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, he goes, ninety nine percent of it
Speaker 1: is mental and he goes, and you know what, the
Speaker 1: other one percent is mental too. You know it's the
Speaker 1: Steve Sacks. Yep, she can't throw it from second right.
Speaker 1: It's all of a sudden, you right, your whole life
Speaker 1: and about the same thing, or you all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you can't make a three foot putt. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Jordan Speed felt with that a
Speaker 1: little bit. All of a sudden he's a great putter,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he can't make a
Speaker 1: four footer for some reason. It's it's it's in your head,
Speaker 1: I think. Now they brought in a surprise kicker too.
Speaker 1: By the way, free agent Simon Matheson, did you know
Speaker 1: much about him before he or I honestly no, not
Speaker 1: a whole lot. That's a little bit of the John Fossil,
Speaker 1: Henry Schroka wizardry and the kicking get this story, you know,
Speaker 1: Yeah he uh he he kicked at north West Missouri State, Yes,
Speaker 1: and he finished in twenty sixteen. And then he's uh
Speaker 1: uh he was born in New York, but he grew
Speaker 1: up in Sweden. Okay, And oh yeah, we talked about this,
Speaker 1: remember we talked about him. So he got a chance, yeah,
Speaker 1: I E se right. Uh, he got a chance to
Speaker 1: kick on on Friday in Saturday. Uh. It was an
Speaker 1: interesting story how he uh he knew the owner of
Speaker 1: this company called track Man, and they were the ones
Speaker 1: that came up with the technology to track the different
Speaker 1: aspects of kicking and the flight of the ball that
Speaker 1: they used in the Super Bowl. So he would go
Speaker 1: and set up the system and then kick to make
Speaker 1: sure it was working right. And and he was kicking
Speaker 1: and kicking, and you know, I don't know how they
Speaker 1: found him, but he said he said, Henry, Henry knew
Speaker 1: about me, or something like, yeah, I think he was
Speaker 1: at some of the kicking camps. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: kicking camps that they do every year, and ones in Arizona,
Speaker 1: ones in California. Nobody, all the special teams coaches go
Speaker 1: to watch the guys kicking. It's guys from everywhere. They'll
Speaker 1: get soccer players and you know, guys that have been
Speaker 1: out for five six years and they're still trying to
Speaker 1: find their way into it. And long snappers are there
Speaker 1: as well, so they'll get graded on, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: the scale is, and you can see a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of guys work. It's a giant tryout essentially, and there's
Speaker 1: always a random name or two that pop up out
Speaker 1: of it that looked like they can hit it. And again,
Speaker 1: if you're consistent and you can do it, you can
Speaker 1: find a job in the NFL. They asked McCarthy, what
Speaker 1: his philosophy was dealing with young kickers. And I don't
Speaker 1: know he I don't know if he tried leading into this,
Speaker 1: but the bottom line was he said patience. I would
Speaker 1: call the free all comers, he aids and tryouts. He
Speaker 1: was way before your time. Texas Stadium, Yeah, man, they
Speaker 1: would come out there, over a hundred people coming out
Speaker 1: there running for the days. And it was more than that.
Speaker 1: It was more than that. You know, that was good
Speaker 1: pr for the cowboy pr but that was the culture
Speaker 1: that they had created. Free agents come here and they
Speaker 1: can make it. You know, it's like like an immigrant
Speaker 1: coming to America. You know what I mean, your opportunity,
Speaker 1: you give me hiss an opportunity. That's what they used
Speaker 1: to look at. Twenty five dollars you got to try
Speaker 1: out and a T shirt certificate. Well, you know what.
Speaker 1: They did it for a couple of years, maybe after
Speaker 1: Jimmy got he I was one year or two, maybe
Speaker 1: three at the most was in there. And like Will's
Speaker 1: got some great stories from that too, from when he
Speaker 1: was the Desperadoes coach. They kind of revitalized that a
Speaker 1: little bit, right, And the funniest story he tells out
Speaker 1: of that is you know, you run the forty R
Speaker 1: dash and he literally, a big old dude runs the
Speaker 1: forty and literally hits the brakes stops. He says, well,
Speaker 1: my time, coach, like no follow through or anything, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, you can't make that up. He didn't
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, Jimmy finally decided Yeah. Uh. And there's
Speaker 1: one more guy I wanted to talk about, and I
Speaker 1: know we're getting post to finishing. Uh, the third pick
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. Another guy like I told you
Speaker 1: about Marquise Looks the party Demon Clark, the linebacker from LSU. Uh.
Speaker 1: Interesting story because he had surgery that they found out
Speaker 1: he had a herniated disc in his neck at the combine.
Speaker 1: Uh and you know, probably not going to play this year.
Speaker 1: If he does, maybe the final month. And they drafted
Speaker 1: him and that's got to be a tough call. But
Speaker 1: my thought is this is a second or third round
Speaker 1: guy you got in the fifth. Yeah. And Demon's story
Speaker 1: is a great one too, And a little bit of
Speaker 1: it comes from quote unquote inside information if you will. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, our doctors were the ones that found his
Speaker 1: situations what he said combine, and you know our training
Speaker 1: staff were the ones that told him about it and
Speaker 1: how he acted and reacted to it was just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he you know this, this could end your career,
Speaker 1: end of your dreams, right potentially, and he said, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do I got to do. Let's do it. And
Speaker 1: you know, he was having surgery within a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks to get it done. And you talk about a
Speaker 1: guy with the right mentality. We've got a little history
Speaker 1: with obviously taking injured players or guys that have issues
Speaker 1: that you know are going to pop up. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we took a guy from Notre Dame a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago who turned out pretty good for
Speaker 1: a while for us, and you with Jalen you know,
Speaker 1: but but doctor Cooper did his knee surgery, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so again we had inside information. Uh you know, we
Speaker 1: took Sean Lee in the second round knowing that his
Speaker 1: ACL was probably going to go at some point in time.
Speaker 1: It did, it did. But like Demon's situation is really
Speaker 1: interesting because you talk about a guy that was locked
Speaker 1: in out here at rookie minicamp. He's got the script
Speaker 1: in his hand, he's going through the motions, he's doing
Speaker 1: the footwork, he's using his hand placement and you know,
Speaker 1: here's a guy who's what two months off serious neck surgery,
Speaker 1: but he's ready to go. And if there's a guy
Speaker 1: I'm going to bet on to come back. Now, the
Speaker 1: real test will be when you got to put your
Speaker 1: face on it and get hit. And as a linebacker,
Speaker 1: you know, you're putting your face in it and you
Speaker 1: got to do that. And if we see that he
Speaker 1: does that, you know what, he might be a great
Speaker 1: steal for us out of this draft. You know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't a heck of a football player. I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: who he was when they went out there. I didn't
Speaker 1: look at the number and I saw this guy, what
Speaker 1: do you have fifty three fifty three on? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: I go look at that guy six two two thirty
Speaker 1: nine and he ran like four five four four forty yep.
Speaker 1: And it's like holy cow. And I said, well, that's
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why they took a chance on him,
Speaker 1: right yeah. And it's again it goes back to who
Speaker 1: you are too. He had the number eighteen jersey, which
Speaker 1: is an honor at LSU. You know, that's the guy
Speaker 1: that that has a blue character, as we like to
Speaker 1: call it, is the right kind of guy that he's
Speaker 1: a leader of your team. He's gonna have that captain's
Speaker 1: patch on. You know. You put that together with the
Speaker 1: grit and the tenacity and and doing all those extra things.
Speaker 1: And that showed up out there, you know, the other day.
Speaker 1: And that's who he is, and that's who that's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy you want to build your football team
Speaker 1: with every opportunity you have. You want guys like that,
Speaker 1: and and and and the thing that really impressed me,
Speaker 1: h I think. And it was a short interview, uh
Speaker 1: you know, and he his answers were all right, right, like, well,
Speaker 1: when you think you can play, I'm worried about tomorrow,
Speaker 1: you know, day by day I'm not going to put
Speaker 1: any ceiling on myself or whatever like that. And then
Speaker 1: someone asked him what were your thoughts when you were
Speaker 1: going into surgery or when you just got out of surgery,
Speaker 1: and he said, my first thoughts were I've got to
Speaker 1: be a healthy man to help raise my daughter. It
Speaker 1: wasn't about football, right, That's that's how he answered the question.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I want this guy on my team, right,
Speaker 1: And you're right if some guy can and guys have
Speaker 1: you know, Darryl Johnson played another year or so after
Speaker 1: he had similar they fused your vertebrate. Yeah right, that
Speaker 1: was after his career. He didn't have it soon enough.
Speaker 1: Now he did not Layton Vanderess, similar surgery, similar tech,
Speaker 1: and they played. But you're right, you know the surgery
Speaker 1: is gonna work now mentally can you are you going
Speaker 1: to stick your head in there? But the way I
Speaker 1: looked at it is I was thinking, with four or
Speaker 1: fifth round picks, I could use one or two of
Speaker 1: those and I'm trade up, you know. And that's the
Speaker 1: advantage that we had of having for the round picks.
Speaker 1: And you know, during the draft, we had a couple
Speaker 1: opportunities maybe to package a couple of those up to
Speaker 1: go get them. But part of our job is understanding
Speaker 1: the depth of the draft. And this year's draft there
Speaker 1: was there wasn't a lot of high high guys. The
Speaker 1: strength of the draft was in the middle of the
Speaker 1: draft the world. And I think we got some phenomenal players.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've mentioned a bunch of them already. I
Speaker 1: think John Ridgeway is another guy that's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have to take a nose tackle high up
Speaker 1: in the first or second round. And John's got a
Speaker 1: chance to come in and do some great things for us.
Speaker 1: Ever since his thighs they looked like redwood trees. And
Speaker 1: he's he's got that killer mentality in there that he's
Speaker 1: not afraid to put his face on it and get
Speaker 1: dirty and play a gap to a gap like a
Speaker 1: mean dude. You know, the last two guys we took,
Speaker 1: Darren Bland and Devon Harper. You know, they're they're productive
Speaker 1: college guys, led their team in tackles or interceptions. They
Speaker 1: both have a great special team's history, and those are
Speaker 1: guys that that's how you're going to earn a spot
Speaker 1: as a backup, coming in and moving up, you know,
Speaker 1: as as you learn and find a role on the team.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're just super excited about this draft class,
Speaker 1: and you know, can't wait to get into training camp
Speaker 1: and see where guys are in their roles. Keep an
Speaker 1: eye on Bland. He's a corner and he was and
Speaker 1: I know they're out there and T shirt or jerseys
Speaker 1: and shorts, and but he was around the ball when
Speaker 1: he was playing corner a lot. And I'm going, okay,
Speaker 1: And then another guy and that's kind of how I
Speaker 1: judge them early. It's like, how do they handle these interviews? Right?
Speaker 1: It was like second nature to him. Funny story on him.
Speaker 1: When he came in here, the airlines lost his luggage
Speaker 1: and like for the visit or for visit, So you know,
Speaker 1: here's the guy I'm going to meet the Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you, our thirty visits way different than
Speaker 1: any other teams because you get to meet the owner
Speaker 1: of the football team here, you get to spend I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we have this wonderful facility that gives us a
Speaker 1: little bit of humph too, but part of our visits
Speaker 1: meet and Jerry and Stephen Jones and you get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to the owner as as a twenty one,
Speaker 1: twenty two year old kid. I mean, you don't get
Speaker 1: that opportunity to other places. So this poor guy loses
Speaker 1: that airlines loses luggage, you can't come in. He's got
Speaker 1: you know, sweats and a T shirt on and everything.
Speaker 1: So you know, we went and got him some some
Speaker 1: Cowboys to But I mean he handled it like a pro,
Speaker 1: you know, And that tells you a lot about guys too.
Speaker 1: You could be angry at the world for losing your
Speaker 1: luggage and it happens to all of us at some point.
Speaker 1: But the way they handle adversity is always a big
Speaker 1: thing for us to to keep in mind when we're
Speaker 1: thinking about who who the guy is, not who the
Speaker 1: player is, you know, and I think that goes a
Speaker 1: long way for a lot of these guys. A guy
Speaker 1: from Old Miss Sam Williams, the defensive end. We talked
Speaker 1: about him last week. Um, he came in for the
Speaker 1: visit and they were asking him about how to win everything.
Speaker 1: He goes, I wanted to miss my flight. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to leave. And that was his visit, right he
Speaker 1: had got drafted yet, and he and uh and dan
Speaker 1: Quinn hit it off, I guess right away. But when
Speaker 1: you can see a change in your life coming and
Speaker 1: then you see this facility, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard not to be overwhelmed, you know. As a kid,
Speaker 1: some of them twenty years old, like you said, twenty
Speaker 1: one years old, I don't know what I would just
Speaker 1: look at what I had to look at when I
Speaker 1: came to the Cowboys, the facility that we had, and
Speaker 1: like I'm sure your reaction was like, what the hell?
Speaker 1: It was like they won Super Bowls practicing in this
Speaker 1: place So how long did it take you to meet
Speaker 1: Tom Landry? Then? Yeah, thousand Oaks? So not I mean
Speaker 1: you met Tom. I mean you know he can't and
Speaker 1: talk to us, but you don't meet Tom. I think
Speaker 1: Tom Lander went about shaking people's hand introduce it him.
Speaker 1: So he did not come on, Oh you wan't there,
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah you want there? No, but that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: We met time in the meeting. We met him. When
Speaker 1: we met that was it? So had you met a culture?
Speaker 1: Was just Gill and whoever? If I recall, Gene Stalin's
Speaker 1: the first person that we met, and he was just
Speaker 1: a bundle of joy. Yeah, I was gonna say that
Speaker 1: probably scared exactly, got that bad Bryan accent. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: from Texas, man, This stuff is traumatic. So now it
Speaker 1: was it was very you know, just just regularly what
Speaker 1: much going on there? Unceremonial. So you didn't met meet
Speaker 1: Clint Murkison, Now, please, I didn't even know what they
Speaker 1: looked like. I really didn't. I didn't. All right, we
Speaker 1: went over time again, but it was well worth it.
Speaker 1: We might have to get Chris to be the fourth
Speaker 1: on our crew. Here there cut into Bill Shine. There
Speaker 1: you go. Well we we uh, we appreciate it. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't mention this earlier, but when
Speaker 1: we were playing D League adult hockey, this was the
Speaker 1: star defenseman on the team line. No, he we could
Speaker 1: put anybody out on his teeth. We got anybody else
Speaker 1: back there, We weren't pages anybody else could go back
Speaker 1: and play defense because Chris took care of everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so thanks a lot. Yeah, thanks a lot for doing it, Everson.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. We'll see where Bill is
Speaker 1: with the NBA playoffs, if he's back with us or not.
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