WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Dollars and Sense 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.479 Hi, get everybody on dan Board, and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.960 the Bengals Booth podcast the Gotta give Me some dollars 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.360 and cents dollars and cents audition as I discussed the 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:20.160 Bengals free agent acquisitions with Sam Monson from Pro Football Focus. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.960 Then you'll hear from one of those free agents, pass 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.440 rusher Terrell Basham, who joined the team this week. Did 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.360 you know that a Bengals player won the NFL Ping 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.360 Pong title this offseason? I'll talk to him. And finally, 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.720 it's the sixth edition of our three round NFL Expert 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.360 Mock Draft. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:49.159 by All to Fiber, future proof fiber Internet capable of 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.040 delivering multi gigabit speeds designed to take your home, business, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:57.120 and community to a new level. Elevate your connection with 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.680 All to Fiber. Now here's a quick reminder that you 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.920 can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered rite 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.959 to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing wherever you 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:14.920 get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since brisket. I 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.920 am first team All Carnivore and my favorite meat is 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:24.640 probably smoked brisket. That mouth watering, slow cooked cut of 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.840 beef with just the right amount of fat for maximum flavor. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.039 It's not the healthiest thing on the menu, but hey, 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.120 you only live once, and in my case, I probably 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:40.000 won't live quite as long because of my love of brisket. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.520 Now time for my first guest. It's been nearly ten 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.400 years since Chris Collinsworth purchased a majority stake in Pro 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.160 Football Focus and eventually moved the company to downtown Cincinnati. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.120 I've had the chance to visit PFF headquarters on several occasions, 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.360 and this week I caught up with one off's top 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:07.360 NFL analysts, Sam Monson. Sam, let's start with the Bengal's 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:12.720 biggest offseason acquisition, literally and figuratively, Orlando Brown Junior. They 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.440 got a proven left tackle for four years sixty four mill. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.200 That's almost exactly what the Falcons gave safety Jesse Bates. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.519 Your reaction to that acquisition for Cincinnati, You know, obviously, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.560 I think it was clear quite early on in the 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.480 process that they were never really going to give Jesse 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.040 Bates the big extension. They were always sort of planning 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.440 that he would depart at some point. They were going 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.520 to play out the contract franchise tag him and then 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.280 eventually he would move on. So from a sort of 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.799 position value standpoint, it makes a ton of sense. Right, 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.320 You've gone from a safety which is at the lower 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.440 end of the value scale in terms of the impact 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.920 that they can make on winning and losing games, and 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.760 converted that into a left tackle, which is I think 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.360 at the other end of the scale and probably even 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.600 more valuable when you already have the likes of Joe 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.200 Barrow and Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins, like the other 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.880 positions that are high up in that value hierarchy are 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.560 already there and you want to make sure that that 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:13.040 increases or the effect that those guys have is as 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.640 big as it can possibly be. So I think it 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.600 made a ton of sense. I don't think it was 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.120 necessarily something they were planning on all the way, but 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.080 once it became possible, I think it was a great 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.200 signing for them and a deal, and when we look 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.520 at some of the other tackle contracts that were signed, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.920 it's reasonably cheap. Totally agree. How does PFF view Orlando 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.640 Brown Junior among the better tackles in the NFL? Yeah, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.480 I think he's always been a good, not great tackle, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.880 and that's both at right tackle and left tackle. But 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.040 there's a ton of value in that. So he's never 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.720 going to be a top five player at that position, 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.880 but he's probably always going to be a top half 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.400 player at that position and lock you in a guaranteed 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.680 level of good play. And sort of ironically for a 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.680 guy of his size and mentions, he's probably a better 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.400 pass blocker than he is a run blocker and always 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.520 has been. He's despite he's a very strange player because 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.320 you know that the tape at Oklahoma was obviously really good. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.320 His workout was catastrophic, you know, one of the worst 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.040 combined performances of any player ever, and then showed up 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.160 and showed that it didn't matter. Like he can come 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.359 into the NFL, whether it's right tackle, left tackle, whether 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.640 it's two different offenses. He's always been good and he's 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.120 been this consistent presence for them. So yeah, I think 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.120 he's he's not a superstar, but he's a good starting 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.160 left tackle. How do you view the options at right tackle, 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.040 whether it's the guys on the roster or possibly somebody 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.200 in the draft. Yeah, I don't know that they have 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.240 that position locked up yet. Obviously Lyle Collins was supposed 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.760 to be that guy. Between the injury and the fact 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.400 that he wasn't really the player that he used to be, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.200 presumably due to you know, previous injuries just taking their toll. 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.719 He hasn't. I don't think really solidified that spot. Jonah 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.880 Will would be an interesting player to kick over the 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.480 right tackle if they can keep him around instead of 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:09.320 dissuade him from getting traded away. Other than that, I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.560 think that's the one spot along that offensive line where 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.920 you look at it and say, we'd like to add 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.320 another player there just to increase the chances of that 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:22.000 spot is okay because we've seen the hakim idenergy, you know, real, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.800 We've seen how that works and they have to go 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.640 to him at right tackle and it's not pretty. We'll 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.719 see if you draft one later when we put you 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.680 on the mock simulator and do a three round Bengals draft. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.440 Other significant signings for the Bengals safety Nick Scott he 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.120 get a three year, twelve million dollar deal. Tight end 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.839 Irf Smith, junior cornerback Sidney Jones, edge rusher Terrell Basham 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.839 all got one year deals. Do any of those names 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.800 move the needle for you? I really like the kind 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.760 of shot to nothing that IRF Smith is. You know, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.479 he was a high draft pick from Minnesota, never really 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.919 panned out for them, but just because of injuries. I 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.040 mean every season you would hear those guys talk up 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.320 the potential that IRF Smith Junior has in that offense 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.280 and what he could be as a pass catcher. And 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.880 it's a little bit like the Hayden Hurst move where 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:11.640 you bring in a guy with this sort of former 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:17.320 elite pedigree of status draft position that hadn't worked out 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.120 in the NFL or hadn't been the player that he 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.680 was supposed to be and see if you can kind 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.520 of resurrect that. And I think there's a lot of 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.599 mileage in that. When you have a Joe Burrow, you 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.200 know you have an offense it's as good as the 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.280 one that they have. It should raise the level of 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.159 sort of bit part players, no matter who they are. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.240 And when you have a player getting their level raised 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.160 who had sort of prior ability, I think it's a 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.040 great gamble. Like if he if the same thing happens 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.400 and he's the same player he was in Minnesota injured, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.080 not really a big part of the offense. It doesn't 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.520 cost you an awful lot, but if you end up 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.080 rediscovering the player that the Vikings thought they had for 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.760 a few years, it's potentially a huge payoff of their 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.200 own free agents. The one starter that they kept was 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.880 linebacker Main Pratt, very reasonable deal, three years, twenty one mill. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.400 He got tremendous PFF grades last year, much higher than 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.200 he had had previously. Do you view that as kind 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.640 of an outlier situation or do you think he can 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.520 sustain it? And if so, that would seem to be 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.200 a great value signing to me. Yeah, that's a big question. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.000 He's like a sort of a light version of Tremaine 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.680 Edmonds in terms of, you know, young player who had 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.760 that career year was a big outlier relative to the 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:31.680 rest of their NFL performance and very weighted towards coverage. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.000 You know, he made a lot of big plays in 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.760 coverage versus the run and all that kind of stuff. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.400 So for both those guys, I think you always have 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.960 questions about what that's going to be going forward when 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.840 it is such a big departure from previous because you 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.240 can look at it in two ways. You can either say, well, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:49.960 this is just how long it took for the light 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.600 to go on, which I think is a valid argument 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.720 for linebackers. Today's NFL is a nightmare world for off 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.920 the ball linebackers. Those guys are put in a bind 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.440 every single play. They're being stretched vertically horizontally. They're having 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.520 to contend with runs that look like passes passes that 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.640 look like runs. It's a horrible position to play right now. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.080 I think that's why when you look at PF grading, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.680 there's very few linebackers that are grading well right now. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.280 And I don't think it's necessarily because the linebackers are 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.960 worse than they were, you know, ten years ago. It's 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:21.880 because the position is a lot harder than it used 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.240 to be and the grading hasn't adjusted to reflect that. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.480 So you can look at it that way, or you 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.280 can say it's a career year. It's coming, you know, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.440 after a few years of bad play. It's largely in coverage, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:41.080 which we know is a volatile, dependent type of facet 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.719 of play. Maybe we should just be a bit more 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.800 careful about that. And for Pratt, I think the deal 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.480 he got like that's exactly the kind of gamble I 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:52.360 would happily take. It's reasonably low priced, you can bank 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.120 on the idea that maybe the light did go on 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.040 versus Tremaine Edmonds, where you're giving him top of the 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.199 market deal and hoping the same thing. It's true. We're 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.199 chatting with Sammonson from Pro Football Focus. They lost Bell 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.600 and Bates, they lost tight end Hayden Hurst, they lost 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.880 running back some J P. Ryan. Is there anybody on 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.400 that list that you think is going to be really 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.320 hard to replace? Not really, I think. I mean, obviously 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.560 Jesse Bates replacing him and in particular, you know, losing 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.679 both safety safeties at the same time is potentially problematic. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.200 But they knew Bates was going to be gone very 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.520 early on. Maybe they thought they would keep von Bell 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.520 and try and keep that intact, so that losing both 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.960 of them I think has the potential to cause some hiccups. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.800 You know, Dax and Hill should be able to come 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.400 in and at least future proof one of those spots, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.240 but trying to replace both of your starting safeties at 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.160 the same time as at least not ideal. But they're 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:47.080 all replaceable players. You know, they're either at positions that 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.800 are reasonably low value, or they're players that weren't stellar 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.880 to begin with. So I think those are just the 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.400 moves you have to make when you you know you're 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.600 planning where the money is going to go on a roster, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.720 you know, locking up a ton of cash in either 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.760 the big free agents that they've got this year or 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.600 Joe Borrow, jamar Chetti's those guys going forwards. So extending 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.120 Burrow is obviously the number one priority. It's going to 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.640 cost more than fifty million dollars a year. Are you 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.800 of the mind that it's even possible to sign Burrow 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.480 and keep both Higgins and Chase? Yeah, So there's there's 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.040 a couple of different parts of that. There's the is 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.760 it possible from a salary camp standpoint? And then the 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.520 second part is it possible from just a cash outlay standpoint? 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.280 You know? But the Bengals are a team that doesn't 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.600 play in the world of the the Walton family or 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.080 the you know, the the Cronkys, where they have just 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.160 unlimited billions sitting around to deploy anytime they want. They 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.720 probably have to think about the amount of cash that 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.760 has to get thrown into an escrow when you sign 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.000 every one of these giant contracts. So that is its 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.840 own question that I have no part of. I don't 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.679 see the accounts from a salary camp standpoint, it's doable. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.280 It's obviously challenging, and you can only sign so many 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.640 of those big deals, But when you look at where 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.199 they have the money allocated, it's in the right kind 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.040 of places. You know that if you were saying you 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.960 only have four or five big contracts to hand out, 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.120 everybody else has got to be playing on low end 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.719 of the market money. They would be signing them in 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.200 the right areas quarterback, number one wide receiver, maybe number 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.080 two wide receiver, pass rusher, left tackle, like they're ticking 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.560 off the right spot. So I think if they want 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.439 to keep those three guys around, they can do it. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.040 It's probably more likely that they just keep the two, 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.880 you know, Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and maybe te 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.280 Higgins they sort of played out the same way that 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.600 Jesse Bates was played out. Or if somebody phones up 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.000 with a trade offer involving a number one draft pick, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.920 maybe that changes the dynamic. So we're several weeks before 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.760 the draft, most of free agency is behind us. Do 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.880 you feel better about the Bengals Super Bowl chances going 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.720 into this coming season then you did going into last season? 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.280 I liked what they did last year. I thought they 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.440 played saw season extremely intelligently. I think it would have 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.120 been very easy to kind of get lost in their 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.920 own hype and say, we made the super Bowl. You know, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.040 we're heading in the right direction. Everything's good, we don't 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.640 need to do anything crazy. But they understood that that 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.440 offensive line needed serious work if they were even going 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.760 to get bank, you know, in the same kind of position. 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.000 And I think by and large, they were a better 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.400 team this year than they were the year before. So 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.960 I was very high on them going into last season. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.240 I think at the moment, I'm probably in the same 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.960 kind of area. I think they've done good work. I 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.480 like the Orlando Brown edition. I think generally they they've 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.280 kind of between the players that they've let go the 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.760 players they brought in, they've probably treaded water. And now 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.400 we get to see what the draft brings and we 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.200 will see who you will pick in a three round 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.319 mock simulator Bengals Draft coming up a little bit later 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:54.520 on the podcast. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.720 you by Kettering Health, the official healthcare provider of the Bengals, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.360 with more than one hundred and twenty care facility and 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.439 fifteen hundred care providers. Kettering Health is committed to guiding 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.440 you to your best health. Visit Kettering health dot org 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.840 to learn more. The Bengals have signed six free agents 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:17.439 from other organizations so far, the latest being edge rusher 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.360 Terrell Basham. He's six four, two hundred and sixty five 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.480 pounds and a former Ohio Bobcat. He was the MAC 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.920 Defensive Player of the Year in two sixteen, when he 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.720 led the conference in sacks with eleven and a half. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.680 Basham was drafted by the Colts and has also played 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:40.120 for the Jets, Cowboys, and Titans in his six NFL seasons. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.960 I caught up with him on Thursday throughout when you 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.640 agreed to your deal with the Bengals. Recently, your agent 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.840 tweeted back home with an exclamation point. You're from Virginia, 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.960 but you went to Ohio University. Just being back in 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.640 the state of Ohio feel like home to you. Yeah, Honestly, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.480 I gotta say it does, because I have played football 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.360 and mcgie since I was eight, you know, But the 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:09.920 moment in my life when I feel like I came 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:15.760 alive was definitely an Ohio University. You know and something 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:21.359 about playing football in Ohio. It was special. Your defensive 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:26.120 coordinator at Ohio was Jimmy Burrow, Joe's dad. Joe was 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.800 playing quarterback in high school when you were going to college. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.880 Describe your relationship with Joe and Jimmy and the Burrow family. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.960 Coach Burrow was my coordinated all four years. And I 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.200 did get a chance to him and UH coach William 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:45.160 Jesse Williams, both of their sons both played at at 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.240 Athens High School at the time, So I had a 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.960 chance to see I had a chance because a couple 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.600 of games in high school, and you know, they would 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.480 always talk about him. We read about him, you know 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.040 what I'm saying. Locally, you know you you would hear 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.720 about him like he was. He was that guy to 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.960 a young age, you know what I'm saying, always clutching 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:06.000 the most clutch moments. So when his career took off 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.280 at LSU and he won the Heisman and he won 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.640 the national championship, did you feel kind of like an 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.920 insider having seen him a little bit in high school. Yeah, honestly, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.280 like I didn't feel like an insider, Like I was 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.280 honest like a fan at that point. You know I was. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.160 I was always a fan of him. But you know 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.480 what I'm saying, like because like I knew like the 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.880 potentially hit you know, he he he went to Ohio State. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:34.040 You know he was clearly like a talented guy. You 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.640 know what I'm saying from from from a very good age. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.800 When he got on that stage and did what he did, 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.480 I think he earned the world's respect. You know, no 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.240 question about that. We're visiting with Terrell Basham. You're twenty nine, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.000 You've got six NFL seasons under your belt. What appealed 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.760 to you about Cincinnati? Um tis to win? Uh, Like 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.640 you said, tend to get back in Ohio play football again. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.160 You know, an opportunity, you know what I'm saying, to 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:08.080 show that I'm hungry that I can kind of trush. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.840 We'll get to the quarterback. You know what I'm saying. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.080 I can contribute to a playoff team and a super 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.040 Bowl team. You're the all time record holder for sacks 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.240 at Ohio you with twenty nine and a half. You've 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.400 got eleven so far in the NFL plus five forced fumbles. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.440 Is that past rushing ability the biggest thing that you 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.640 feel you bring to Cincinnati? That and like I'm I'm 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:36.320 a I'm a very like energy. I'm a big energy guy. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.880 Like so I push the energy. I'm a bit I 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.400 ort to carry myself. You know what I'm saying. I'd 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.480 be good around the young guys. I have the young guys, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.560 you know what I'm saying, prepaired mentally on the mental side, 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.800 you know, for what's to come through a season. You know, 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.600 the Bengals already have great leadership, you know, and uh 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.560 and the guys that they have and on the on 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.120 the program already. I'm kind I'm just happy to be 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.520 a part of it. So, Terrell, your first NFL sack 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.199 was against the Bengals at pay Court Stadium when you 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.920 were rookie with the Colts. Do you remember it? Yeah, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.120 I remember. I was on the right side. I came off, 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.200 just gave like a little speed to power move on 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.720 the left tackle and think the quarterback with Andy Dalton 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:23.360 at the toe, that is correct, down went the red rifle. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.800 So the Colts drafted you in the third round back 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.960 in twenty seventeen. And here are some of the past 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:37.560 rushers from your draft, Miles Garrett, T. J. Watt, Hassan Reddick, 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.240 Carl Lawson and your new teammate Trey Hendrickson. Is it 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.320 a point of pride to be part of that draft 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.840 class and doesn't motivate you? It was, definitely it's to 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.680 be a part of that class, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.600 I feel like I was a big class as far 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.560 as rush. We're still a lot of us in the lead, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.280 still making noise, you know. So I'm just trying to 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.280 sway Hey, I'm still here in the league and say, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.320 have you had any contact with any of your new teammates? Yeah, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.200 I talked to uh. However, he reached out to me 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.280 on Instagram and gave me his number and told me 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.719 if I need anything, let me know because he's a 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:20.320 Cincinnati guy. So actually saw trade when I went in 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.520 for my visit. So you got a taste of the 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.680 playoffs with the Cowboys a couple of years ago. Did 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.200 that wet your appetite to be on an NFL contender? Well, definitely. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.320 You know, I spent the enough of years on teams 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.320 that weren't even looking to go to the playoffs at 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.320 the end of the year, and then that right, that 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.320 like being on a winning team is nothing like it. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.600 Nothing like winning It's nothing like being a part of 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.200 something that you feel special like that. You know, I 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.480 see that these these guys been, you know, trying to 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.880 win to both strong for the past two years for sure, 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:03.040 and they're booting will they got a great quarterback, They're 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:08.960 they're booting around, and I see nothing but good things 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.240 in the tut I know you had a thigh injury 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.800 last year and only played in seven games. That's not 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.000 ideal going into free agency. Do you feel like you 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.920 have anything to prove? My hoath is one hundred percent. 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.159 But as far as I always always feel like I 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:28.480 have something to prove. You know, you have a small 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.760 school guy, you know, come out of a mat always 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.280 kind of well. Bengals fans are excited to have you, 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.639 look forward to getting to know you better and I 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.840 appreciate your time today. Congratulations on signing with Cincinnati. Thank 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.600 you so much. The Bengals Booth podcast is brought to 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.919 you by pay Corps. More than twenty nine thousand customers 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:53.399 trust pay Corps to help them recruit, pay engage, and 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.920 retain employees. Learn more at paycorp dot com. My next 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.639 guest is a free agent who is staying with the 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.840 Bengals after signing a one year extension wide receiver and 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:10.040 punt returner Trent Taylor, who added another title to his 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:16.239 resume this offseason. Trent, let me start with congratulations, not 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.080 for the contract extension, We'll get to that, but for 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.240 winning the Battle of the Paddles, the Procter and Gamble 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:27.920 sponsored NFL Player Ping Pong Championship at the Super Bowl 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.239 that you won. How did you get involved? Yeah, it 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.480 was like three days before the tournament started and my 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.600 marketing lady just hit me up. She was like, do 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:43.640 you play ping pong? Yes? Yes, I played a little 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.600 bit of ping pong, but yeah, So then I flew 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.720 out there and did the tournament, won the whole thing. 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.800 It was a great time. So you beat Trevor Lawrence 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.720 in the semifinals, you beat Christian McCaffrey for the championship. 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.879 The level of ping pong was excelent. I watched it 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.760 on YouTube. People that are interested in this, just look 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.119 up Battle of the Paddles. You can find the whole telecast. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.600 When did you start playing? And as far as you know, 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.080 is this a staple now of NFL locker rooms? I 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.440 think it's definitely a staple. I think it's like become 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:20.080 more and more popular, you know. I remember we used 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.080 to play it all the time and San Francisco and 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:26.639 then come here to Cincinnati and everybody's playing it here 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.199 in the locker room too. And then you talk to 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.840 guys around the NFL, you you learned that everyone kind 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.200 of has a ping pong table in the locker room. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.440 It's just such an easy sport to play, just you know, 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.040 hanging out with the guys playing ping pong. It's a blast. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.760 But I mean, I've played for a long time. My 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.960 grandfather used to play in a league growing up, so 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.880 then we would go watch him sometimes and we would 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.240 play against him, and he would always he would always 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.080 beat us, no problem. And he he was like seventy 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:03.280 something years old. We still couldn't touch him. So that's 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.480 I guess that's kind of where we started playing it. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.879