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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and Bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of the Break in studio. Joining
Speaker 1: us today is Brian Brodess, replacing Derek Eagleton, He who
Speaker 1: is somewhere at the beach in Mexico and joining the Sun. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: everyone else around the league is worrying of a free
Speaker 1: agency and what to do to improve their team. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things happening around the league in
Speaker 1: that regard. But first let's start off with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and what's going on with them and what they have
Speaker 1: done and haven't done so far. One of the free
Speaker 1: agents that was much talked about since the beginning of
Speaker 1: this year was Cole Beasley. What was going to happen
Speaker 1: with him and his contract, wanting some money, It came
Speaker 1: out that he's moving on and going to the Buffalo
Speaker 1: Bills twenty nine million dollars four years and just wanted
Speaker 1: to get your impression on this whole contract. Is it
Speaker 1: telling that Derek went to cabone during the week that
Speaker 1: free agency opened, Like, did he know he know part
Speaker 1: of the team. He knew something. It's part of the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've been following the Cowboys, I don't
Speaker 1: think you should be surprised that Cole Beasley is gone.
Speaker 1: You know, you kind of you can kind of set
Speaker 1: the stage, you can. I mean, you know your surprise
Speaker 1: has always happened. I'd bring it up all the time.
Speaker 1: I was shocked that Terrence Williams came back two years ago,
Speaker 1: but Cole was pretty confident that somebody was going to
Speaker 1: offer him a bunch of money. He's been saying it
Speaker 1: since October. The Bills did fourteen million guaranteed. He turns
Speaker 1: thirty next month. I think, I don't you know, you
Speaker 1: can make fun of them all you want. Maybe you
Speaker 1: don't want to live in Buffalo, or maybe you think
Speaker 1: their offense is gonna be bad. But I'll take that
Speaker 1: financial stability every day of the week. Good for him,
Speaker 1: So not surprised at all. That's pretty much my reaction
Speaker 1: to it. It's about par for the course, now, when
Speaker 1: you talk about the slot receiver position and what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are planning on doing here, maybe utilizing some of
Speaker 1: their own guys or maybe addressing this through the draft,
Speaker 1: what could the Cowboys fans expect to be done at
Speaker 1: this pacific position? I'm actually sorry, I mean, if one,
Speaker 1: I'm actually writing about that as we speak, shameless plug age.
Speaker 1: I think it remains to be seen. I think. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you know the guys that are on this team.
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns is a guy that they've pegged as a
Speaker 1: possibility in the slot. He had a thousand yard season
Speaker 1: playing mainly in the slot for Jacksonville. He's recovering from
Speaker 1: a terrible ankle injury, so that's TBD. Cedric Wilson is
Speaker 1: a guy that people like to throw around. Lance Lenore's
Speaker 1: a guy that's done it in the preseason. Haven't seen
Speaker 1: him do it in a real football game yet. Um,
Speaker 1: and then there's the draft. I mean, so you're probably
Speaker 1: talking about young production one way or the other. If
Speaker 1: I had to guess, But you know, we're three days
Speaker 1: into free agency. Things can change. Go make a run
Speaker 1: at Golden Tate. I know, yeah, that's I knew. Brian
Speaker 1: was going to say that, Yeah, if we're if we're
Speaker 1: getting into a situation right now where we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing some bargains here and you get some
Speaker 1: guys that are probably looking at some one year deals
Speaker 1: maybe to try and you know, get with a team
Speaker 1: and then maximize, much like we saw with with the
Speaker 1: Honey Badger, you know with Tyren Matthew last year, last year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year. But no, you get with a team and
Speaker 1: then you kind of have some production and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden that it can parlay that into a bigger contract.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Golden Tate's demands are, but to
Speaker 1: your point, you could look at his situation on one
Speaker 1: year deal. You can look at some of the other
Speaker 1: It looks like some of the other slot players that
Speaker 1: you wanted to the crowders of the world. Uh, the
Speaker 1: kid at Tampa, you know, Humphries, Humphries, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: are going to sign back. Keep an eye on that one.
Speaker 1: By the way, with Humphries, he might be going back
Speaker 1: to Tampa. Oh you don't think the deal's gonna go. Well,
Speaker 1: there's some hearing some whispers this morning that maybe that
Speaker 1: that he might have like the change of heart like
Speaker 1: we saw with Anthony Barr Anthony Barr, So keep an
Speaker 1: eye on that. That's the funny thing, you know. And
Speaker 1: and for the most part, these things are going to
Speaker 1: go through. But like these deals have been happening since
Speaker 1: noon on Monday, and none of them can be signed
Speaker 1: until three o'clock today. Yeah, Cole Beasley could change his
Speaker 1: mind for all we know. So that's definitely something to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Is that we're still technically in
Speaker 1: the legal tampering window. But sure, yeah, you're right though
Speaker 1: about there's plenty of options there. And what you can
Speaker 1: also think about, too is how do you how do
Speaker 1: you you know? You you have now Jason Witton on
Speaker 1: your team and he could make up for some of
Speaker 1: the things that you don't the limitations that you might
Speaker 1: have with Cole bees with not having replacing numbers underneath numbers.
Speaker 1: That is so I mean, I I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with Cole Beasley moving on because I
Speaker 1: think there's I think there's other options out there, the draft,
Speaker 1: free agency, whatever you need to do, you can fill
Speaker 1: this role. Let's let's pull it back because the Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley thing kind of falls right into Cowboys free agency
Speaker 1: conundrum every single year, which is, we're three days into
Speaker 1: this thing, the Cowboys have done nothing. It's a yearly
Speaker 1: source of consternation among the fan base. Um, but are
Speaker 1: we not par for the course? And is free agency
Speaker 1: not far from being over? I mean, this is what
Speaker 1: they do every year, and at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: at some point the fans are I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be done with it, because you know,
Speaker 1: they say that all the time, like, well, I know
Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with this anymore, but you still come back.
Speaker 1: But I can understand their frustration because you know, they
Speaker 1: keep doing the same thing and it's not good enough.
Speaker 1: I meant, what at some point you're gonna have to say, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go and get some free agents
Speaker 1: to help because just drafting and just doing this and
Speaker 1: we'll get them so far. So I think I think
Speaker 1: this is part for the course, and I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna shoot at ninety. I guess if you
Speaker 1: keep doing this. I'm not I'm not ready to be
Speaker 1: frustrated yet, because I mean I'm not frustrated. I just
Speaker 1: know the fans are, and I think they have a
Speaker 1: right to be because you see other teams getting better
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys haven't done anything to get better. The
Speaker 1: problem I have and Nick and you live this with
Speaker 1: us in the early two thousands, as we were god
Speaker 1: awful as a team, and we were got awful at
Speaker 1: evaluating players, and we were got awful at signing free agents,
Speaker 1: and we spent way too much money and didn't get
Speaker 1: anything from it. Give me the team that can draft
Speaker 1: and sign its own. Mean you know my roster, and
Speaker 1: again we need We'll get into this one day, and
Speaker 1: I've tried to get into it before. This roster, to
Speaker 1: me is a top ten roster. You've been saying that
Speaker 1: a lot. But we talk about the coaching. We talk
Speaker 1: about the head coach, and that is another story for
Speaker 1: another day. But this roster, I think if it had
Speaker 1: a different head coach would probably be we wouldn't Drafting
Speaker 1: and signing your own would be acceptable. That's that would
Speaker 1: be acceptable to the fans. But to your point, though, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you have to supplement things. But I also
Speaker 1: harken back to the days when you first started with
Speaker 1: his team and you used to write nice things about
Speaker 1: us when you really didn't mean nice things about us
Speaker 1: when you're trying to all the craft that we signed,
Speaker 1: and you know there's there's there's levels to this. Now
Speaker 1: just let me finish saying yeah, yeah, there's levels to this.
Speaker 1: You know, I trust what these pro guys are going
Speaker 1: to do here. I trusted they'll go out if they
Speaker 1: can go out and get a golden tap or get
Speaker 1: somebody on a one year deal. You know, this thing
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be Okay, let's dive into the pool
Speaker 1: head first. Oh we just hit her head on a rock.
Speaker 1: You know that. That's where I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of teams. You look at some of the teams that
Speaker 1: are making early moves, it's teams that traditionally don't draft. Well,
Speaker 1: look at all the craft that John Dorsey had to
Speaker 1: deal with with roster at Cleveland. Now he's having to
Speaker 1: turn the whole team over, you know, and that a
Speaker 1: lot of it is. And that's a team that had
Speaker 1: a lot of draft picks and had ability to go
Speaker 1: sign guys, which no you you playing at my point act,
Speaker 1: I agree with both of you, and people have been
Speaker 1: saying this for the last few days. There has to
Speaker 1: be a happy medium somewhere, right, because have you seen
Speaker 1: a deal gets signed or agreed to in the last
Speaker 1: three days that you're like, yeah, I wish I wish
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had done that because honestly, like honestly, I
Speaker 1: haven't three and a fifth for Antonio Brown and you
Speaker 1: got to take that contract. See no avendolas on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty Uh what I mean? I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to give Tyron Matthew fifty million dollars to be paid.
Speaker 1: And you know I went to LSU. I'm that amount
Speaker 1: of money scares the crap out of me. One that
Speaker 1: really stands out. Um, Philly got Malik Jackson for thirty million,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know the guarantees off
Speaker 1: the top of my head, but that one intrigued me,
Speaker 1: especially with the needs that this team has a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: But the main point being the huge gobs of money
Speaker 1: that are getting lash around. I'm not interested in that.
Speaker 1: But it's Wednesday. Now we're heading into the second phase.
Speaker 1: This is where I would like to see something get done.
Speaker 1: And this is what you know. Let me let's I
Speaker 1: can't believe I can get off you get off their back.
Speaker 1: If they signed Earl Thomas. Yes, you guys, yes, are
Speaker 1: you kidding, especially for safety the whole year. So I
Speaker 1: know which, I know where you're going. Well, Nick, Nick,
Speaker 1: you don't come on the break. But Nick is that
Speaker 1: Nick has been the cheerleader for Earl since January of
Speaker 1: twenty Okay, and today it's done. Okay, it's a done deal.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen. It's a dead deal, is
Speaker 1: what I meant to say. Which that's frustrating to hear
Speaker 1: because at this point, now you see the cowboys are
Speaker 1: dead here. That's what I've been told. But I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows. I'll believe it when I see, believe all
Speaker 1: of it. But but dead from the count. Let me
Speaker 1: finish here. I mean, he's you know, he's this is
Speaker 1: the story here, he's got stuff to say today. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is a story. This is what he's heard, something
Speaker 1: that we need to know that. They're not interested right now.
Speaker 1: They're just not interested. Right They're not interested because of
Speaker 1: the money, because the money, because of it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's doing something now it's going to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: But my issue there and I know you had a point,
Speaker 1: you were still finishing, but my issue goes back to
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence way back in January. Why are we sending
Speaker 1: offers in late February early March to them when they
Speaker 1: know what they need to do. If they could have
Speaker 1: got a deal done here, you could free up maybe
Speaker 1: eight to nine ten million dollars this year to go
Speaker 1: get a guy like an Earl Thomas or somebody when
Speaker 1: when they can make they can structure this thing. Right now,
Speaker 1: he's sitting at twenty million, and I know that they
Speaker 1: might get him off the books at some point, but
Speaker 1: they're not looking to go make a deal right now.
Speaker 1: And some of these deals could go by when I
Speaker 1: feel like they haven't done everything they need to do
Speaker 1: and get DeMarcus into the contract he needs to get into.
Speaker 1: So no intention to ever signed Earl Thomas here then, right, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's no intention. I just was told
Speaker 1: today that it's I don't like, it's I don't not
Speaker 1: happening right now. I don't think you can say that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and that's it's not surprising to hear because
Speaker 1: they're always going to want to do it at their price,
Speaker 1: which the fact that Earl Thomas doesn't have a deal
Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning tells me that his price is already
Speaker 1: lower than it was expected to be, which that's where
Speaker 1: it starts to get frustrating. I don't mind the cowboy
Speaker 1: same age and as Collins, by the way, whose deal
Speaker 1: do they get done first? Same agent? Is that dude's
Speaker 1: got like every safety? Yeah? Um funny last name by
Speaker 1: the way, mug mugg Alatta Yeah, yeah, it's like a muffalatta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great sandwich with I don't begrudge. I don't begrudge the
Speaker 1: Cowboys for not wanting to splash fifty million guaranteed on players.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about being able to sign an
Speaker 1: all pro safety at a discount or some of these
Speaker 1: others killed by fans killed your boy Car? Didn't they
Speaker 1: kill him? Be Car? Yeah? Yeah, they killed him well,
Speaker 1: and they killed Crawford. Right, that's the type of contract
Speaker 1: that they should be avoiding deals out there that they
Speaker 1: that they could get done. We're the fan base. If
Speaker 1: we know how much money you're making, we'll remind you
Speaker 1: that that's fans in general. That's not a Cowboy specific thing. Well,
Speaker 1: what's up with Levan Bill? What am I hearing there?
Speaker 1: And unless yet or it's Jets, it's Jets, it's Jets.
Speaker 1: Why I was just showed something very at the last minute,
Speaker 1: right before we did this, that he he put something
Speaker 1: on Instagram like to Adam Schefter like I need a
Speaker 1: lot more money than that to go to the Jets.
Speaker 1: Is that a joke? I don't know. I didn't see that.
Speaker 1: But again, I don't know what's going on. I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing. I don't know. There's a lot of stations
Speaker 1: devoting time right now to talking about Leveyon Bell. I
Speaker 1: guess they're all wrong. Then. If that's the case, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what That's why I thought it. Just I saw
Speaker 1: something that he had tweeted to Adam Schefter or sent
Speaker 1: something to him that said he's with the Jets. So
Speaker 1: that's interesting though with the Jets, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's where you were headed. But I mean some of
Speaker 1: these deals do affect the Cowboys. I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: looking at Zeke needing a new contract and here comes
Speaker 1: Leveon Bell with four for fifty two, Yeah, well seems
Speaker 1: lower than I than I thought you would sit out
Speaker 1: a whole year for to get that. I talked big
Speaker 1: about the D four trade last night, you know, and
Speaker 1: the and that ended up being like seventeen five seventeen
Speaker 1: five a year. I think the Cowboys would love to
Speaker 1: do a deal like D four just did with San Francisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. It's a big problem there. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is a way better player than D four. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you though that. You know, people like to say, well,
Speaker 1: does that make the deal better or worse for the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Which that's one of those better deals for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If you look at that, how do you figure seventeen
Speaker 1: and a half a year, seventeen and a half for
Speaker 1: a year for a guy that's not doesn't have half
Speaker 1: the resume? Is tank this this for the Cowboys? Okay,
Speaker 1: he couldn't have signed for twenty two or twenty three
Speaker 1: if I would have been far. But who's the other end?
Speaker 1: Who's the other end? That's oh, Trey Flowers, Trey Flowers.
Speaker 1: If I'm DeMarcus Lawrence and I see what Trey Flowers
Speaker 1: and D four just got, I'm saying, are ain't away
Speaker 1: in hell? I'm signing for less than twenty something. If
Speaker 1: these guys are getting eighteen eighteen, he got five ninety
Speaker 1: over five, So yeah, yeah, like eighteen, what's the guarantee
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sorry, I asked a question that no
Speaker 1: forty off the top of my head. I like your
Speaker 1: cap all just for the looting. I try. But some
Speaker 1: of these moves, you know, they are affecting the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They were there. I mean, the wide receiver move is
Speaker 1: the one that's going to affect them the most. I
Speaker 1: think the Brown contract because of Amar Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean maybe. But see that's a tricky one because you're
Speaker 1: talking about what a guy's going to do versus what
Speaker 1: a guy has done. But Antonio Brown, I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a lot of money for an
Speaker 1: old man. I can't bring myself to worry about. You know,
Speaker 1: you brought up Belle and Zeke, and that's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: I can't bring myself to worry about any of it
Speaker 1: until they figure out what they're doing with the Marcus, honestly,
Speaker 1: and that and that's a good point. Is like you
Speaker 1: get lost in the stories of free agency. But that's
Speaker 1: the big one for me, and it everything kind of
Speaker 1: dominoes off of that. Is like I don't understand why
Speaker 1: they're playing hardball with this guy, and that's gonna color
Speaker 1: every other thing they do because it's eaten up twenty
Speaker 1: million of their cap, so it makes him even less
Speaker 1: likely to spend money. He's not going to be part
Speaker 1: of the office season program until he gets a deal.
Speaker 1: And I just don't really get it. I don't understand,
Speaker 1: really really upsetting to me. It's like, you know this
Speaker 1: is what you've got, you know, this is what it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. You know this is a timeline. You
Speaker 1: should be prepared, you should have done this way in advance.
Speaker 1: And like you were saying, Nick, this is going to
Speaker 1: factor in on what you do here in free agency
Speaker 1: because now you're trying to figure out how the whole
Speaker 1: money situation plays in to everything. How you had that
Speaker 1: done already. Now you're looking at what free agent can
Speaker 1: you bring in here and better this thing and what
Speaker 1: else is happening if you would have done that way before.
Speaker 1: You're also got a surgery already in place for d
Speaker 1: law True and you tell him, hey, we have a
Speaker 1: chance to get you some players, especially on defense that
Speaker 1: maybe in the back end that can help you. He
Speaker 1: would sign. What's up? Let me break some news for
Speaker 1: you guys here on the break Earl Thomas back in
Speaker 1: the mid earl Thomas intends to sign a four year,
Speaker 1: fifty five million dollar deal with thirty two and guarantees
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. So, yeah, that dream is dead. And is
Speaker 1: this a blue check mark? Guy? This is Adam Schefter. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a blue check Marks Adam Schefter, which that is
Speaker 1: more than everybody but Landon Collins got. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a wow. I almost curse. That's a boatload of money.
Speaker 1: How much did you say? Again? Fifty five with thirty
Speaker 1: two and guarantees they lost Weddle right, yeah, which if
Speaker 1: we're being real that, I mean, you know, we're sitting
Speaker 1: here saying, oh, maybe you could get him two for
Speaker 1: two for twenty or two for thirty. Yeah. Not so
Speaker 1: we're kind of thinking that the longer this went that
Speaker 1: he didn't have a market there, and maybe we were wrong.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just being very selective with a bunch of
Speaker 1: nice deals. Because what's so fifty five over four? I
Speaker 1: can't do math, guys, that's thirteen points sets so four.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not set in the market, but he's
Speaker 1: right up there with it. Do we think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: we're gonna go anywhere north of eleven. No, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's surprised the number of years there
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I thought, well, I'd like to
Speaker 1: see the contract now that I can just sit there
Speaker 1: and look at it dissect. You don't know how easy
Speaker 1: it is to get out of And it's twenty two
Speaker 1: million guaranteed in the first nine months, so it sounds
Speaker 1: like it's front loaded to help out with his age.
Speaker 1: All right, next year we'll be talking about Earle again.
Speaker 1: I thought, if anything, No, there's no question. I thought,
Speaker 1: if any two million and nine months day. I thought,
Speaker 1: if anything, he might want to sign a short deal
Speaker 1: because he's older. Yeah, he's of that caliber of player
Speaker 1: that he can kind of name his terms and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he would rather try to sign multiple contracts, but
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it. Yeah, and so a good deal
Speaker 1: for him though, No, great for him. Yeah. And honestly,
Speaker 1: you know, it sucks to say, but like, if that's
Speaker 1: what it was going to cost, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: really blame the Cowboys. I was not doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen million dollars was not my cup of tea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was trying to and I thought, if you could
Speaker 1: do it for two years, twenty two million, gar and
Speaker 1: gart Tee It. Yeah, maybe that's what you do. I
Speaker 1: just it's it's strange that that that the Ravens, well
Speaker 1: they you know, they waited and they got the guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's exactly what they want. I'm interested what they
Speaker 1: would have paid Wettele because in wet right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Wettle is similar similar. Yeah, what's the difference there for
Speaker 1: for Wettele and for Earl Thomas. It just seems like
Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, just somebody look at differently here.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know how many safeties
Speaker 1: are left. I mean, I think there's wine that we
Speaker 1: have a drop of. Maybe Clinton Dix's still out there,
Speaker 1: has out There's still out there. Yeah, Jalieladai is out there,
Speaker 1: Trey Boston is out there. There's several those safeties though
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys didn't want anything to do. That's and
Speaker 1: that's where I think that people need to kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, catch an idea about you know, Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: about to sign Darien Stewart. Lebroncos is out there still.
Speaker 1: Grober Quinn, I find I find myself having deja vu,
Speaker 1: just because if I had to guess, for one reason
Speaker 1: or another, they won't be interested in any of these guys. Yea.
Speaker 1: And about our star valuation on the website of Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath today, good time, really good timing, really good timing. Um,
Speaker 1: not really because I have to go and update it now.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I mean, like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: expect the Cowboys to drop fat stacks, but this is
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because you know, at the combine last month,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said the phrase next step roughly eighteen times,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to buy that right now when you
Speaker 1: when you basically know that, you know, the star defensive
Speaker 1: end doesn't look like he's going to be in the
Speaker 1: building anytime in the foreseeable future. And as of right now,
Speaker 1: nothing has been done to improve this roster, which it's early.
Speaker 1: I get that. But the only things that they're counting
Speaker 1: on are two or right now that are different, two
Speaker 1: players that didn't play a snap last year, Travis and Witten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I don't think you can undersell the impact that
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick could have on this team. That's great, it's awesome. Yes,
Speaker 1: if he can come back and be Travis Frederick Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: I think the world of him. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that's going to make a drastic difference as opposed to
Speaker 1: last year, but we'll see. I could be wrong. Well,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we'll keep talking about free agency and some
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Speaker 1: Slash football Back to the break All right, So linebacker
Speaker 1: position for the Cowboys. Damian Wilson is expected to sign
Speaker 1: with Kansas City Chief. Meanwhile, why are you laughing? Just
Speaker 1: you know, the safety that we've been talking about for
Speaker 1: like two years just signed in Baltimore. But Dami, you're right,
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson did leave to Damian Wilson left, Which what
Speaker 1: else can you said, Eric Thomas, I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: keep talking about it. Have you listened to this program
Speaker 1: at any point in the last two years? We can
Speaker 1: talk about to move on Connor Williams does Connor Williams though.
Speaker 1: The trade that you didn't make is that now where
Speaker 1: you look at you look at Connor Williams and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: he needs to come back. He needs to be a starter.
Speaker 1: He needs to be a six seven year starter for
Speaker 1: you talking about to make this, Yeah, to make this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know cowboy fans out there are looking
Speaker 1: at this Earl Thomas thing, and you know, they're shaking
Speaker 1: their heads and they're calling us all bad names and stuff.
Speaker 1: This is when Twitter sucks, by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to kind of be a voice of
Speaker 1: reason here and it's really not working very well. But
Speaker 1: you're gonna look at the Connor Williams second Round on
Speaker 1: the Clock conversation with John Snyder as Okay, you're you're
Speaker 1: better off because you didn't take Earl Thomas, but you
Speaker 1: got this starting young guard instead if he's twenty one
Speaker 1: years old, twenty two years old. If you want to
Speaker 1: be the voice of reason, then yeah, it was still
Speaker 1: probably the right decision because what you get, you get
Speaker 1: one season out of Earl. Maybe, I mean, he played
Speaker 1: four games for the Seahawks. Can't he might not have
Speaker 1: broken his leg, maybe he plays all six. We still
Speaker 1: love Earl Earl Thomas, So we're not saying it, but
Speaker 1: I mean, because I wouldn't our show going, Yeah, go
Speaker 1: for it. Point, you had a chance to get him
Speaker 1: last year in the middle of the season. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you try to play hard ball here and then he
Speaker 1: didn't go your way, no question. This is where I'm
Speaker 1: asking though, does the does the But what I'm saying, well,
Speaker 1: so my point is, Okay, Earl just got fifty five
Speaker 1: million with thirty two and guarantees after playing four games
Speaker 1: and breaking his leg. Let's say he helps the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. He would he would be getting more
Speaker 1: money than he got in this timeline. Like if he
Speaker 1: plays a full season with the Cowboys, he can command
Speaker 1: a better contract. He's still gone because they're not going
Speaker 1: to pay him. Yeah, and then think you get one
Speaker 1: year out of Earl, they'd have a chance to maybe
Speaker 1: sign him early. Maybe, but as we're watching with d Law,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. Well, not only that, but also like, if
Speaker 1: I've learned one thing about Earl Thomas, I respect the
Speaker 1: hell out of that guy. I've never met him, but
Speaker 1: he is clearly obviously he's a help of football player,
Speaker 1: but like he's a savvy businessman too. He is about
Speaker 1: his business. And he ain't signing with the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: November because it's three hours away from home. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be like, no, We're gonna play this thing out and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get as much as I can. And so
Speaker 1: he would probably be gone that way. He's the same
Speaker 1: way some no I know, but I think Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: is smart in the way he goes about this stuff.
Speaker 1: Point being, he would still be gone. Let and I
Speaker 1: doubt he would have helped the Cowboys win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so he'd still be gone. So give me the twenty
Speaker 1: one year old guard who started ten games last year
Speaker 1: and should, by all reasonable expectations, improved this year. I
Speaker 1: agree with you there. The only thing, if if we're
Speaker 1: looking back in hindsight, then you know, if I would
Speaker 1: have known that that is Avi su Laphilo would have
Speaker 1: been there, it would have been probably a better player,
Speaker 1: and that you can get for two years then then
Speaker 1: I like the trade even more. And maybe Joe Looney too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you think about the way Joe Nney played for you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't change. So all right, maybe it's not
Speaker 1: Connor Williams if you had known, But wouldn't you rather
Speaker 1: have four years of a player taking at sixty than
Speaker 1: twelve games of Earl Thomas? Yeah? No, I That's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. I love Earl Thomas. I
Speaker 1: was all about trying to get him doing whatever you
Speaker 1: had to do. But it would have been fun. I
Speaker 1: think if you look back on this, I think is
Speaker 1: fans you look back on this, and if if in fact,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams comes back at twenty two years old and
Speaker 1: is a starter, is a type of guy? Heck, you know,
Speaker 1: let's be honest with Aaron Donald didn't kill you in
Speaker 1: that Rams game, right, It was the other guy that
Speaker 1: killed you. And the other guy was over your all
Speaker 1: pro tackle our guard. So let's yeah. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if if you talk about a guy that had improvement
Speaker 1: and I'm just looking back to evaluate to trade. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to look back on draft day when we
Speaker 1: were sitting in this room talking about, well, who they're
Speaker 1: gonna pick. Oh, they're gonna take Connor Williams. Oh wait
Speaker 1: a minute. We're hearing there's a possibility of an Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas trade here, and we're all like going, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a thing. But I think to
Speaker 1: a man, we were okay with yeah, go ahead. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I know I had a I had Connor
Speaker 1: Williams in my top fifty and when it came down
Speaker 1: to it at the end, So I'm okay. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me that Connor Williams is going to develop into
Speaker 1: a quality starting NFL guard, by all means they did
Speaker 1: the right thing I expect them to. Yeah, Like I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't feel and the money was never got at
Speaker 1: all because you're right, Dave, the player is not going
Speaker 1: to allow you. I'm not coming to you. I mean
Speaker 1: he's thinking, oh yeah, Cowboys eight million dollars. Yeah great,
Speaker 1: you know, no way, no way. That mean we were
Speaker 1: all dreaming that, right, but reality was fourteen million dollars
Speaker 1: solo Owen's Mills, which Maryland. You know the fact that
Speaker 1: Earl didn't get something done at one o'clock on Monday
Speaker 1: gave a lot of people cause for optimism. I thought,
Speaker 1: you can survive another day, you had a chance, which
Speaker 1: clearly was not the case. Well, if you can survive today.
Speaker 1: But well, okay, either way, Yeah, regardless, point being is
Speaker 1: we're right back where we thought we would be anyway,
Speaker 1: which is they're gonna wait till the second wave. I
Speaker 1: will say, if there's one thing, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to pump sunshine, but I think the caliber of
Speaker 1: player that's still left in free agency at this point
Speaker 1: is better than it typically is. Especially it's I mean,
Speaker 1: every safety in the league was available in free agency
Speaker 1: this year, it felt like, and a lot of those
Speaker 1: guys are still out there. So it ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, but you can still upgrade that position. Quinn Cyprian,
Speaker 1: you mentioned you mentioned the Chargers guy. Are those guys
Speaker 1: better than Jeff Heath, because I mean, that's who's gonna
Speaker 1: se get knocked off the Yeah, this is I'm not
Speaker 1: going to pretend that I've studied tape on all these guys,
Speaker 1: but I have to believe you can find a better
Speaker 1: safety than him at an affordable price. Sometime in the
Speaker 1: next week, people will argue about Sendejo from from Minnesota
Speaker 1: used to play here. Yeah, no, I'm saying, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's medical concerns there with the concussions and
Speaker 1: things like that, so you need to check more into that.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I mean to me, this is
Speaker 1: where we're writing about Jeff heat today. I would have
Speaker 1: liked to have been able to get a safety here
Speaker 1: because I'd like to put Jeff Heath back in the
Speaker 1: role on special team I felt like struggled last year.
Speaker 1: I want him give Keith O'Quinn a chance, you know,
Speaker 1: and poor Jeff Heath plays you know how many how
Speaker 1: many snaps Jeff Heath played a game? Oh, he plays
Speaker 1: andy on defense, and he plays all um on special teams.
Speaker 1: He plays one hundred and twenty snaps a game. You know.
Speaker 1: I want Jeff Heath to be a big part of
Speaker 1: this football team and just don't necessarily want him playing
Speaker 1: snaps on defense. Yeah, yeah, no, thank you. See. That's
Speaker 1: where that's where I think the Earl Thomas thing was
Speaker 1: very That's where I was excited about it. Sure, But
Speaker 1: but you have to draft, Brian, I love to draft,
Speaker 1: and then he if you don't have if you don't
Speaker 1: do it through the drive, then you know the guys here,
Speaker 1: I absolutely love draft. You watch you watch these teams
Speaker 1: every week when they play the Cowboys. Is there a
Speaker 1: guy out there that would make you feel better about safety? Well?
Speaker 1: Would you know Gibson he signed with? Well, no, I'm
Speaker 1: saying if he was available, because I saw him play
Speaker 1: a guy that's on the street, a guy that's not signed. Quinn.
Speaker 1: Quinn's probably the best guy out of that of the
Speaker 1: of the guys that I mean that was with the Lions.
Speaker 1: You know, you talk about him. I would love for
Speaker 1: them to be interested in Trey Boston, but that they
Speaker 1: never weren't last year. They never have. Yeah, they never have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's people out there in the Cowboy fandom area
Speaker 1: that that, oh, Boston, you gotta get bought. You know,
Speaker 1: he was available until June last year. Nobody, nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: went there. Took so much as a whiff in front
Speaker 1: of the drives, are busy hitting mark ingram And it's
Speaker 1: it's curious, Like I said, it's it's Wednesday perfect back
Speaker 1: by the way for the Ravens there's a lot of
Speaker 1: there's a lot to come, but man, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be confusing. If they are trying to upgrade
Speaker 1: this team with just a second and a third round pick.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to work out well for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of an arrogance of like top ten,
Speaker 1: top ten roster though, let's talk about that again. We
Speaker 1: talked about top ten roster. That's not good enough for
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett because they he finished eighth, right, he finished
Speaker 1: eighth in the final standings, and so if he finishes
Speaker 1: eighth again, I bet he's gone. Okay, So now now
Speaker 1: be a top five now instead of instead of talking
Speaker 1: about free agents, so we need to talk about the
Speaker 1: head coach. That's that's the trick. See, But that's that's
Speaker 1: a great lunch room conversation. By the way, who could
Speaker 1: coach this team into the top four. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: change between now in the start of the seas. It's
Speaker 1: so it's not like that doesn't do anything for me,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't Jason Garrett like not making these moves
Speaker 1: because if you're you know, everyone knows that it's easy
Speaker 1: to spend other people's money. So I mean, if I'm
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, I am trying like hell to get them
Speaker 1: to spend every bit. Like the guy at the Jets,
Speaker 1: a generalman, Mike mc kicking at the Jets. Yeah, keep
Speaker 1: keep spending. It's gonna be somebody else's problem. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not my problem anymore any more. The words of
Speaker 1: Shaggy it wasn't me, It wasn't it's I mean, he
Speaker 1: got to the divisional round with this roster last year,
Speaker 1: and the way it looks right now is they're going
Speaker 1: to ask him to do the same thing. Maybe I
Speaker 1: mean Travis Frederick coming back. Maybe when you say I mean,
Speaker 1: you say, prove it year to players all the time,
Speaker 1: Jason Witt maybe helping in the red zone. Prove it
Speaker 1: year for DeMarcus Lawrence last year. Okay, go out and
Speaker 1: prove you're in all pro he did, like, go out
Speaker 1: and prove you deserve another contract, Like we're not going
Speaker 1: to give you, Earl Thomas. Just go make it work
Speaker 1: with what you've got. You did it last year. Prove
Speaker 1: that this football team can handle success because they haven't
Speaker 1: shown it. They come back from fourteen, they were bad
Speaker 1: in fifteen. They come back in sixteen they were decent,
Speaker 1: but not good enough in seventeen eighteen. For me, every
Speaker 1: other year, let's see if you can handle success with
Speaker 1: a little bit of a target on you that, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a good football team, will act like but okay, fair.
Speaker 1: But that more so than anything in free agency or
Speaker 1: anything else that is that is what frustrates me as
Speaker 1: somebody who follows this team, is they are currently not
Speaker 1: setting themselves up to do that because they are in
Speaker 1: the early stages of a standoff with arguably their best player.
Speaker 1: They're arguably their best player who needs a surgery that
Speaker 1: could sideline him for multiple months, and it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like he's going to do it until he gets a deal.
Speaker 1: So is this team really going to get better and
Speaker 1: sustain success if DeMarcus Lawrence isn't it? I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: forget training camp OTAs setting the tone for these guys,
Speaker 1: letting could this team survive without DeMarcus Lawrence? What do
Speaker 1: you mean by survive? Could they survive? Could they win games? Shirt?
Speaker 1: I mean ask you this, Are they capable of having
Speaker 1: a bad season even with him signed? Yeah? Of course anything.
Speaker 1: I mean he could break his fifth metatarsl like three
Speaker 1: quarters into his first game. But with the just with
Speaker 1: the fact of you've got Taco who hasn't done anything
Speaker 1: for you, and you don't know what's going to happen
Speaker 1: with Gregory and Dorrence Armstrong is just seems like a
Speaker 1: guy right now. No, I don't. I don't like the
Speaker 1: fact of not having a defense. In fact, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a top priority the way the way that this
Speaker 1: I mean, if you include the fact that DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: is staying away, you couldn't play games with this defensive
Speaker 1: line right now. You don't have enough, you don't have
Speaker 1: enough bodies, and you don't have enough talent so survive
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean they're not going to achieve
Speaker 1: their ultimate goal. Without DeMarcus Lawrence. You might be able
Speaker 1: to win some games, but you mean you want to
Speaker 1: go back to the post DeMarcus ware years where you're
Speaker 1: you're you're already looking at me like, oh, broadness, you're
Speaker 1: gonna start pitching when they have no pass rusher? Right,
Speaker 1: we finished the season with twenty four sacks. How did
Speaker 1: that happen? Oh, well, you didn't pay your best pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Are Jones gave up nine touchdowns this year because well,
Speaker 1: is he more? Okay, let me ask you this. You're
Speaker 1: paying a guy, is he more eight sacks or fourteen sacks?
Speaker 1: He is more? I get the guy plays to run,
Speaker 1: love it, love it. I think he's like a baseline
Speaker 1: of eight with fourteen to sixteen as the ceiling, like
Speaker 1: any I mean, and you know, injuries factor into that,
Speaker 1: double teams factor into that, the other talent on the line.
Speaker 1: So I put it like a like a basement of
Speaker 1: eight and a ceiling of like sixteen seventeen somewhere I mean,
Speaker 1: anywhere in there? What's he closest to split the difference? Ten?
Speaker 1: You want me to peg this guy's sack total? I
Speaker 1: want you to try nine months ahead. We're just doing
Speaker 1: radio today. You signed him, you sign him for let's
Speaker 1: say you sign him for five years. I bet he
Speaker 1: won't have less than Oh? Is he can become the
Speaker 1: guy that all of a sudden we give the money too,
Speaker 1: and then when he doesn't get sacks for like three
Speaker 1: or four games in a row, assuming fans are losing
Speaker 1: their minds? Yes, assuming am I right? That happens with anybody,
Speaker 1: does it? Yes? Yeah? Big money to every player that
Speaker 1: gets a big contract. Everybody about you guys, is he
Speaker 1: closer to eight sacks or sixteen? For the money you're
Speaker 1: gonna get him? Probably closer to eight. Well, you said
Speaker 1: fourteen and fourteen fourteen, it's a tough one. How about it?
Speaker 1: Go twelve? Okay, but you have to look at other
Speaker 1: things aside from just his own personal numbers. You sign,
Speaker 1: you sign him to a five year deal. Here, I
Speaker 1: bet you he'll hover. He'll hover between nine and twelve. Fans, Nick, No,
Speaker 1: that's not good enough for fans. It won't be good.
Speaker 1: It won't be good enough for fans, Thank Hill, Crawford.
Speaker 1: Nothing's good enough for fans. I mean, all right, good
Speaker 1: enough for you. Twelve sacks? Okay, eight sacks, good enough
Speaker 1: for you. Zeke Zeke gets a huge deal. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's say he every time he has an eighty yard game,
Speaker 1: it'll be but when the Rams from the page, let's
Speaker 1: say the Rams game ended the season with a strong
Speaker 1: forty seven yards from him. Yeah, after and he gets
Speaker 1: this big deal. We're gonna be talking about that. Got
Speaker 1: more breaking news here, Ian Rappaport, Let's go Jamay's Ali
Speaker 1: Walles with the Dallas Cowboys. That is that not what
Speaker 1: you wanted? To hear, Nick, is that not the news
Speaker 1: you were looking for? We can move on, Kyler. Murray
Speaker 1: didn't measure the day. By the way, do you see that?
Speaker 1: What first pro day? He didn't remeasure. They're trying to
Speaker 1: say he faked it, like did he put like risers
Speaker 1: in his shoes? He he did not remeasure at the
Speaker 1: pro day. From what I was told, our fans don't
Speaker 1: care about that. Save that. Save that for the draft shots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what is that? Roy Williams? It looked like Roy Williams,
Speaker 1: we're watching TV. We're bad. Yeah, like y'all, this is
Speaker 1: bad radio. This is bad radio. I just want to know, though,
Speaker 1: I just want to know if you told me DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence could reliably get to double digits even if it's
Speaker 1: only ten, on top of everything he does against the
Speaker 1: run and the attitude that he brings. I think that's
Speaker 1: worth it. Does he deserve to be the top one
Speaker 1: of the top paid defensive ends just playing the run
Speaker 1: and getting eight sacks. I didn't say eight, I said
Speaker 1: double digits, but ten. Okay, But what else is he
Speaker 1: doing in the line? Is he allow all other guys
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback? That's another thing. If he's
Speaker 1: not the one registring there capable of paying this guy
Speaker 1: and him having a losing season. That's everybody, Like, that's
Speaker 1: any position, that's I mean, that's the risk of football.
Speaker 1: What do you want? And I mean, what do you want, Brian,
Speaker 1: what do you want? I'm just saying the price tag
Speaker 1: is a lot, but sorry, that's the going rate for
Speaker 1: guys that affect the quarterback like that. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want to trade him, like I mean, you talk,
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the draft show segment we did.
Speaker 1: I'm at least kind of go in that direction though
Speaker 1: I'd rather sign him. But like if you if you're
Speaker 1: telling me, would I rather trade him today or draw
Speaker 1: this thing out until July? And now we're like, well,
Speaker 1: he might be ready for opening Day, and like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's not good because he didn't have
Speaker 1: a training camp and isn't completely healthy and all this
Speaker 1: other nonsense like Dez Bryant. Then just rip the band
Speaker 1: aid off. I would rather rip the band aid off
Speaker 1: than draw this out into this big, frustrating thing. And
Speaker 1: that's the point I was making earlier, is like this
Speaker 1: team doesn't seem to ever want to let itself build momentum. Like,
Speaker 1: if this is your guy and you like him and
Speaker 1: you're convinced, just bite the bullet because the market dictates
Speaker 1: that's what he's worth, and that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, playing hardball is only going to hurt
Speaker 1: you in the long run because all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's not wearing pads at training camp. He's out there
Speaker 1: conditioning instead because he didn't have an off season. And
Speaker 1: he's not the player that you got used to watching
Speaker 1: for two years because he didn't have an off season.
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, it's his fault that
Speaker 1: he's not getting sacks because he didn't have an off season.
Speaker 1: I'm already pissed off thinking about that, and it will
Speaker 1: be very frustrating if that's what happens. So if you're
Speaker 1: telling me, get ready, if you're telling me those are
Speaker 1: my two options, you're ready. I'd rather rip the band
Speaker 1: aid off and get some draft picks than do that, honestly,
Speaker 1: and that and I hope that doesn't happen because I
Speaker 1: think the world of the markets. Okay, I'm good, No, no,
Speaker 1: you okay with you? Okay with trading this guy? Yeah too? No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to trade him. I'm not trade him.
Speaker 1: I don't because you're like trading him for what? Like?
Speaker 1: When are you going to try to get better? Like
Speaker 1: it's always like trading picks? Next year's one. All this
Speaker 1: stuff to when are you ever going to just pounce
Speaker 1: and say we're gonna play now? Why are they not better?
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, let's go ahead and take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll answer that question. Why are
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Speaker 1: All right, who wants to attempt to answer this question?
Speaker 1: I think it's going to fall on unique. Why are
Speaker 1: the Cowboys not better? Oh, they're not better because they
Speaker 1: don't have any consistency in No, Actually they have plenty
Speaker 1: of they have plenty of consistency. That's just the problem
Speaker 1: that they're just too consistent. They're just too back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth they I think a lot of it's arrogance.
Speaker 1: I really do. I said it earlier. I think that
Speaker 1: they have this arrogance that you know, we do this
Speaker 1: the right way. This is how we do it. This
Speaker 1: is our approach. But after twenty two years of not
Speaker 1: making it to the super Bowl, it's not working. Flip
Speaker 1: it up. Why do you have to wear blue every
Speaker 1: single day? Why why fix it up, change it up,
Speaker 1: do something different because this isn't working. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: working to a point, but it's not. I mean, why
Speaker 1: why are you not more active in free agency? And
Speaker 1: why did you plan to not be active in free agency?
Speaker 1: That's my big issue. It's the only thing not to
Speaker 1: do it, and I'm just gonna leave it at that.
Speaker 1: But they're planned to not be active in free agency.
Speaker 1: It makes a good point for a team that prides
Speaker 1: itself with we talk about in signing its own, they
Speaker 1: didn't sign one of its own right now, right They
Speaker 1: didn't go aggressively, aggressively and sign a guy that that
Speaker 1: we just talked about Dave. I thought you made some
Speaker 1: excellent points about the player and what he could bring.
Speaker 1: And you know, you're you guys are right about the
Speaker 1: injury stuff. I'm glad everybody talked about that. But you
Speaker 1: think if they're going to be you know, sign your own,
Speaker 1: sign your own, go out and get this done, Go
Speaker 1: out and get go out. And and Nick talked about
Speaker 1: the word momentum or Dave talked about the word momentum.
Speaker 1: You know, it does not exist here, It does not exist.
Speaker 1: You're right about that, you know. And I like to
Speaker 1: blame the coach because I do and I always I
Speaker 1: always do, and I and I think that they're not
Speaker 1: better because of the coach, you know. And you talked
Speaker 1: about it wearing blue every day and being the same
Speaker 1: guy and all that. And you know, the guy showed
Speaker 1: me and I make a joke of he showed me
Speaker 1: three NFC's Championship hats every time I try and fire
Speaker 1: the man. But something needs to be done there, you know,
Speaker 1: And and hopefully this is the season where it is done.
Speaker 1: Hopefully this is the okay. You you've you've exhausted everything
Speaker 1: you've done, You've you've done the you could. It's not
Speaker 1: good enough, move on, you know, and I know Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans will be happy about that, but again it's another year.
Speaker 1: Well and they're not better I think because of the coach.
Speaker 1: That's me mate, Like I said, I mean, that would
Speaker 1: be fascinating. I mean, you'll never hear like a real
Speaker 1: answer to that. But like, what if this is a
Speaker 1: prove it year in this You're like, no, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna prove it year for the quarterback. It's to prove
Speaker 1: it year for the coach. Well a lot of people,
Speaker 1: let me stick, let me stick prove it year for me.
Speaker 1: Let me stick with Jason Garrett for a second. I
Speaker 1: mean you know what I mean. What if the front
Speaker 1: office is like, we're not gonna money whip these guys
Speaker 1: and invest all this stuff in the salvaty coach come in,
Speaker 1: just start over with a new coach who like hates
Speaker 1: half the decisions we made. And you're like, hey, Jason,
Speaker 1: but he won't not to cut you off, he won't
Speaker 1: hate the decisions because that'll be the decision make it
Speaker 1: of Jerry hires you or not. Well, that's okay with that.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really like Dak. I didn't thank
Speaker 1: you have a good day. I didn't. I didn't mean
Speaker 1: Dak so much as like an Earl Thomas or you know,
Speaker 1: if you bring it in these ballyhood free agents, and
Speaker 1: then point being is like, hey, Jason, if you want
Speaker 1: a contract extension and you want security and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: you made the playoffs with this roster and go do
Speaker 1: it again. Go. I mean, if you're a great coach,
Speaker 1: you should be able to take this to another level
Speaker 1: without all this crazy help. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: that will work, but maybe that's their mindset. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And like I said, they would they would never admit
Speaker 1: that it was true. The talent on the field has
Speaker 1: not necessarily always been the question. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have always had good talent, good enough talent to get
Speaker 1: you where you're trying to get to. The thing is,
Speaker 1: and it just that's the reality comes down to the
Speaker 1: coaching and what the coaching is doing and what they're
Speaker 1: not doing. You can get to where you need to
Speaker 1: be with these players that you have, and every year
Speaker 1: that passes by, you know, I like talking about the
Speaker 1: life expectancy of a player that's just being wasted every year.
Speaker 1: Look at see going to his fourth year. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: unacceptable and it really upsets me. And let me shut
Speaker 1: up before I say something bad. You know, one thing
Speaker 1: that is going to be different is the schedule. I
Speaker 1: mean there's no question. Yeah. Usually I don't like to
Speaker 1: say that everything can change, but I know New England's
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I know the Saints are going to
Speaker 1: be good. I know the Packers are going to be
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna have Aaron Rodgers, and I know
Speaker 1: that the Ram Rams Rams Saints. It's gonna be tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tough looking schedule. Philadelphia will be back, probably with what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Probably got two wins from the Giants thanks
Speaker 1: to their wheeling Zealand. No, you gotta play with the
Speaker 1: Bills though, you gotta stop that guy. True, you do
Speaker 1: have to stop Colby's got to stop the sauce. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a hint of there's a hint of sarcasm
Speaker 1: in your voice, but like, watch him, just watch him,
Speaker 1: just torch him. Is it? Do we agree though the
Speaker 1: roster is good enough to be a top four roster?
Speaker 1: Do we agree that the top four team we'll see
Speaker 1: in the in the in the NFC East, in NFC
Speaker 1: see the top four conference in the conference. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: when you include the AFC, I'm a little more reluctant.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Saints. The Saints are better and they
Speaker 1: were a top four team in the FC last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they already were. They beat the Saints. That's it's you
Speaker 1: try not to let the last game color your opinion
Speaker 1: too much, but man, they just they got outclassed in
Speaker 1: that game. I know, they only lost by eight, mickey,
Speaker 1: you'll tell me that. And they you know, they scored
Speaker 1: more points than everybody else. Like, they got outclass badly.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of of like high school football, of
Speaker 1: like a five four a team playing a six eight team,
Speaker 1: because what is the difference when when you see that
Speaker 1: they all have skill players, but usually it's it's yeah,
Speaker 1: you just can't when you watch Alabama just whipped down.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody like a Central Florida is pretty good all,
Speaker 1: you know, and they have good skill players, but if
Speaker 1: they played Alabama, they wouldn't get many yards on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And that's what it felt like. You
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball, couldn't definitely couldn't stop the run.
Speaker 1: It was an eight point game. I mean you know,
Speaker 1: the Rams led by like fifteen, but like, like it's
Speaker 1: sound like players then more than coaching. Well, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean it all goes hand in hand. I don't
Speaker 1: like that's I'm not willing to just finger point one
Speaker 1: specific area because yeah, like they got who I am,
Speaker 1: they got out talented in that game, but they absolutely
Speaker 1: got out coached too. Yeah, And that that's my point
Speaker 1: is you try not to let that color your opinion
Speaker 1: too much. But like you watch that game and you're
Speaker 1: just like, man, they're not that close. Like that's the
Speaker 1: opinion I came away with. I see it very well.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, our view sucked. So you felt good
Speaker 1: coming out of Seattle. You felt good coming out of
Speaker 1: that game, but then you get to the Rams. It's
Speaker 1: just to hit a reality. Yeah, sure felt like it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was just a bad day because we've seen
Speaker 1: that defense play a lot better against human log was hurt, Yeah, shoulder,
Speaker 1: you're right. Well, I think I think when teams figure
Speaker 1: out how to how to run the ball and really
Speaker 1: move them around. I mean the Colts and the Rams
Speaker 1: that they had so many things going on when their
Speaker 1: passing game that I think they allowed them to just
Speaker 1: have these gaping holes and run the ball. I mean
Speaker 1: they were as a defense you get lost. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were out schemed in the Colts game and the Rams game.
Speaker 1: You know, and you understand it when girl's doing it,
Speaker 1: but when like Marlon mack is doing it, You're like,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? So you saw some holes there
Speaker 1: at the defensive defensive line. I mean who you got?
Speaker 1: Malie Collins and Antoine Woods are good players. I like,
Speaker 1: I feel good about that. Well, you need more there?
Speaker 1: Are You not concerned with the injuries from Elie Collins?
Speaker 1: I mean he's I mean, he's a good player, but
Speaker 1: he battle all last year with the same type of
Speaker 1: injury he I know, Yeah, he's had. He's dealt with
Speaker 1: injuries every year of his career, and I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised it's a contractor year for him. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if this is his last year. But he's a
Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, I don't have a problem with him.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing in the way of depth behind them,
Speaker 1: right you. I mean, I know there's it seems like
Speaker 1: there's optimism that Randy Gregory could make a comeback. You
Speaker 1: certainly can't count on it again. You're you're keeping your
Speaker 1: best defensive lineman out of the building on purpose right now.
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard to feel good about that. And
Speaker 1: that's my point is I hear everything you're saying about
Speaker 1: the coach, but they did not look talented enough to
Speaker 1: beat the Super Bowl runner up, Like they played the
Speaker 1: team that lost the Super Bowl and did not look
Speaker 1: remotely as talented. And they have not done anything to
Speaker 1: upgrade the roster. And you know, if they don't want
Speaker 1: a money whip Earl Thomas, that that's fine with me. Honestly.
Speaker 1: It's again the frustrating thing for me is sign our own,
Speaker 1: sign our own. They got their own. They asked him
Speaker 1: to prove it. He did, and that it stands right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you're gonna tell me, sign my own, sign
Speaker 1: my own, sign your own, it's like which, you know,
Speaker 1: if if DeMarcus Lawrence had gone out there and had
Speaker 1: a disappointing season, they would not hesitate to low ball him.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, well, this is what your play on
Speaker 1: the field dictated you were worth. But he had a
Speaker 1: really good season and made another Pro Bowl and they're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: we didn't want you to prove it that much like
Speaker 1: now you're too expensive, Like you asked that, you asked
Speaker 1: him to do that. You could have signed him last
Speaker 1: year or tried to at least you asked him to
Speaker 1: up his value and he did and you don't like
Speaker 1: the result. Sorry, It's like a Saturday and you have
Speaker 1: like a to do list of like nine things and
Speaker 1: most of them are shopping, but one of them go
Speaker 1: to the bank. You're gonna do that first, right, and
Speaker 1: go to the bank and do that. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: you can go maybe do the shopping you need to
Speaker 1: and that, and they haven't done that. You can't and
Speaker 1: that's I mean, you can't have the rest of these
Speaker 1: conversations until you do something with him, honestly, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon. And that's a bummer.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna change the subject a little bit.
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like y'all really want to talk about Shawn Lee,
Speaker 1: but we have to because it is something that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did do during this past week, which was restructure
Speaker 1: his contract basically gave him somewhat of a pay cut
Speaker 1: and got some incentives in there. You're being nice because
Speaker 1: this was really like one of those slash slash it down.
Speaker 1: It was okay, but with some incentives in there thrown
Speaker 1: in there. But as always, we always look at fans
Speaker 1: response and a lot of the responses I was able
Speaker 1: to read after this happened was why why I even
Speaker 1: do that? Why not I get rid of him and
Speaker 1: save more money? He doesn't do anything, He's always hurt
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know, same story that we always hear.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this signing and what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did there? He doesn't do things that they see.
Speaker 1: He does things that that the Cowboys see. And I
Speaker 1: know it's not always about, you know, behind closed doors,
Speaker 1: but in this case, I do think that that he
Speaker 1: can he could be a benefit to this um, to
Speaker 1: this team. And you know, he still he still can
Speaker 1: make some plays. But again, like Dave said, you remember
Speaker 1: the last one, and you know a lot of it too,
Speaker 1: is his scheme and and the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 1: have to with Witten and with Lee, They're going to
Speaker 1: have to realize that two thousand and twelves not coming back.
Speaker 1: It's like that's gone. Don't put Sean Lee out on
Speaker 1: the field on the biggest play of the season, third
Speaker 1: and seven or whatever I'd like to have. I'd like
Speaker 1: to of Layton vander esh out there instead of him.
Speaker 1: I think he could have got off that block a
Speaker 1: little bit better. Is they gotta have that? They got
Speaker 1: to quit this arrogance of like that Sean Lee. It's
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Is it not fair to say? Though that
Speaker 1: on and you grade the tape on the whole Sean
Speaker 1: Lee played a better game that night. Then, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody that's a good point. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think give up five hundred yards two hundred seventy three
Speaker 1: rushing yard. They didn't get off blocks. They the fits
Speaker 1: were bad. I mean they were bad overall. This one
Speaker 1: is true. Wasn't good, No, he was. He might have
Speaker 1: played the worst game of his rookie year. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I don't know, this is one I don't I
Speaker 1: don't understand the consternation because you took his price down
Speaker 1: and there's incentive, like if he plays eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the snaps, he can earn a lot of that money back.
Speaker 1: He probably won't like that. He's your third, maybe your
Speaker 1: fourth linebacker. He's nice insurance and all of the intangibles
Speaker 1: that he brings to the table that Nick mentioned as well,
Speaker 1: That's what I would have done, as that point to
Speaker 1: a TV what signed Tyrod Taylor to a two year deal?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, okay, yes, I would have done that.
Speaker 1: That's one move that I do like. Sorry, Coop, I
Speaker 1: know you like Mike White, I do, so maybe we should,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we'll see what happens this summer.
Speaker 1: Having having Sean Lee here does an upset like you're
Speaker 1: not you're not going to take a twenty three year
Speaker 1: old pro bowler off the field more than every now
Speaker 1: and then, I don't believe that has anybody fallen further
Speaker 1: than Shawn Lee. Seriously, No, this time last year we
Speaker 1: were all talking about how we can't play defense without
Speaker 1: she was the hero and nobody wanted to linebacker. And
Speaker 1: now and now all of a sudden, it's like, get
Speaker 1: this guy off our team, which tacos him. The two
Speaker 1: guys that everybody wants to go after money, Well that
Speaker 1: the funny thing, and that's hearns. The other thing that
Speaker 1: makes me chuckle too is they're like, get these guys
Speaker 1: off the team and then we can go sign these guys,
Speaker 1: Like what about this? Don't you understand they would not
Speaker 1: use that money even if they cut those guys, right,
Speaker 1: they're not going to do it. So the fact that
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns what happened with the does money right, they've
Speaker 1: carried over like twelve million dollars. They they're not going
Speaker 1: to sign those types of deals even if they had
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns and Shawn Lee's money. So you might as
Speaker 1: well have a versatile, good attitude wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: locker room and a versatile alpha dog leader linebacker who
Speaker 1: can step in if your pro bowler gets hurt. Like,
Speaker 1: these are good things and they're not breaking your cap.
Speaker 1: They're a little more expensive than you would prefer, but
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be doing anything with that money anyway. So
Speaker 1: get over ten against Buffalo, Shawn Lee has to make
Speaker 1: a start, yea one of those better better Sean Lee
Speaker 1: make a start than than Damien Wilson, Right, yes, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: here's a comment from one of our fins on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Why not make Shan Lee a coach? It does not
Speaker 1: cost cap dollars because coaches can't step in and start
Speaker 1: for you in week ten and Buffalo. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: you've been really Arguably Christoph Shire one of the three
Speaker 1: like best leaders, best football character guys on this roster.
Speaker 1: He is still capable of playing at a high level.
Speaker 1: He showed it this as recently as this year. And
Speaker 1: he's not costing you that much money. And even if
Speaker 1: he's costing you more than you would prefer, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be spending that money anyway. So what are we mad about?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're mad. What are we mad about? Because
Speaker 1: we how That's why if Sean Lee plays more than
Speaker 1: like forty per not forty like, he's gonna play like
Speaker 1: thirty percent of the snaps barring injuries. This is the
Speaker 1: Layton and Jalen Show. There's no question. And so again, like,
Speaker 1: I'm totally okay with this. I'm just so I'm yelling
Speaker 1: at you, but I'm really not. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You yelling at Joe and Flower mount I'm yelling at
Speaker 1: Joe and Flower Mountain. Did this team get better since
Speaker 1: the show started or did it get worse? Because I
Speaker 1: don't think it got worse, but it didn't get better. Well,
Speaker 1: did it get worse because the one guy that everyone
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it would feel a lot
Speaker 1: better if you just went out and got Earle and
Speaker 1: that went away. Didn't we really did they get better
Speaker 1: because they got Jamay's Jamae's It would be easy to
Speaker 1: poke fun at him. But like for all their love,
Speaker 1: like they don't even for all the love, they talk
Speaker 1: like they always have a fullback they did, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: They don't use them anyway. I know, I know he
Speaker 1: dropped a touchdown in Indianapolis, but like they don't use
Speaker 1: him anyway. From what from what this is, Nick's not
Speaker 1: getting better theory here. Yeah, from what I've heard though,
Speaker 1: and this isn't gonna get anyone excited, but I think
Speaker 1: that they're gonna try to use him more in the offense,
Speaker 1: and not so much as a fullback, but more as
Speaker 1: one big runner. Okay whatever, I know, I mean, let
Speaker 1: me okay, whatever, Okay. You know he's one of the
Speaker 1: fastest players on the team, not enough. He's an athletic guy,
Speaker 1: not just at like his position. You line up the
Speaker 1: whole team and he's one in the top ten. It's obvious.
Speaker 1: It's two hundred and sixty. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: If we haven't seen it, you can go, but we don't.
Speaker 1: I just said I remember this from when they traded
Speaker 1: for him. Um, he actually doesn't matter special teams. He
Speaker 1: led the team in special teams, and you use that
Speaker 1: speed to run down and kickoff's camp. Sorry, he he
Speaker 1: housed the touchdown from like eighty yards away when he
Speaker 1: was in Oakland against the United States. No, it was
Speaker 1: not in the United States, was in Mexico. Like, he
Speaker 1: is totally irrelevant. I just wanted He's an athletic guy.
Speaker 1: I know they if they want to use him more,
Speaker 1: that's great because like, yeah, honestly liked they didn't use
Speaker 1: him last year at all. Like I don't know this
Speaker 1: percentage of snaps, but I know it's not large. Does
Speaker 1: our attitude change if they somehow get this contract done
Speaker 1: with a defensive end in the next week or so, Yes,
Speaker 1: if my attitude changes, if if DeMarcus Lawrence is here
Speaker 1: for the start of the off season program and I
Speaker 1: can count on him a camp captain's workouts and he's
Speaker 1: out there kind of leading everybody. If I get to
Speaker 1: work and he's leading the defensive line, I mean they
Speaker 1: still have work to do. That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like they I think they need to sign a safety.
Speaker 1: They need to bring in another defensive end who's capable
Speaker 1: of starting. What if? But I would feel better if
Speaker 1: he was in the bild. What if those two options
Speaker 1: you just said are no longer really on the table
Speaker 1: because they didn't sign him two weeks ago, three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: a month ago, because they I kind of waited till now.
Speaker 1: Cap space is fungible enough that I think you can
Speaker 1: do that. You can get it done, even with DeMarcus
Speaker 1: on the tag. You can make those things happen. And
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the guy that gets you
Speaker 1: excited and makes you run out and buy an earl
Speaker 1: Thomas Jersey. It'll be more of what we're used to.
Speaker 1: Go get a Golden Tate. But Golden Tate would that's
Speaker 1: a step up that would get people excited. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: with that, but even you know, if you know, I'll
Speaker 1: just using a name because it's in my head, Like
Speaker 1: if they signed Glover Quinn. Yeah, I can get down
Speaker 1: with that. It's better than what they had. It's not exciting,
Speaker 1: but it's a start. At this point, If you don't
Speaker 1: sign Golden Tate or Sue, no one's going to be excited. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think in terms of like getting the average fan excited,
Speaker 1: that flew the Coop when Earl signed, like, that's gone.
Speaker 1: That was a that was a gut punch. But you
Speaker 1: know again, I'm not trying to own we're done so
Speaker 1: we could keep going. Are going to go today? What
Speaker 1: time we do in our periscope or at the at
Speaker 1: the risk of sounding like an apologist, I don't care
Speaker 1: about getting people excited. Just make the team better. And
Speaker 1: still I still think that they can do that, but
Speaker 1: I'm not optimistic that they're going to row. Well, let's
Speaker 1: hope the next week we will be talking about some
Speaker 1: exciting things that the Cowboys did. In the meantime, let's
Speaker 1: just keep our finger crossed and hope that this team
Speaker 1: does get better. Floyd and Brian Brunnis Nicki Men, David
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