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Please keep in mind that 19 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: all of my guests are nonnes so let's again this 20 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: week's episode. So I am super excited to speak to 21 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: my guest today as she is a video Dixon historian. 22 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: That's what I call you. What do you call yourself? Um, 23 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: I like video vix historian, bad bitch historian, all of 24 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: your Hey, come on, bad historian. I like that too. 25 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: So to my guests, how are you doing, I'm doing good. 26 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: But thanks for having me. Of course, of course, I 27 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: know I always say this about every conversation, but I'm 28 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: really excited about this one because growing up I always 29 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: in my video vixens and Loki wanted to be one 30 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: because I understood the power in the essence they had 31 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: during that error. Did you feel the same way? Absolutely? Absolutely. 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: They were a big inspiration, just as far as like beauty, 33 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: um fashion and just you know, it kind of reminded 34 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: me of like the girls that you woul see in 35 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, the older girls, like your older cousins, Like 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know that that look is attainable for 37 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: you when you know, look like her when I get older, 38 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: like the fly girls. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So what inspired 39 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: you to share the stories of video vixens? So um 40 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: my page, the Vixen Memoirs. It started off as just like, um, 41 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: I would just post video skills, which I still do today. Um, 42 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: but there was nothing else attached to It was just 43 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: videos I would post it and um, and what inspired 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: that is? I was watching music video US with an 45 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend. We were getting ready to go out, and UM, 46 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: he was I don't really keep up with a lot 47 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: of new artists. I don't know this song, but I've 48 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: never seen the video. So I'm looking at these videos. 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, damn't got no black girls in these videos. 50 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: Day and then he plays this one song that I 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: actually really like. Um, it's a big crisp song featuring Lloyd. 52 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: It's called nineteen nine nine and it's samples, um, examples, 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: piece of my love and examples back that asset. So 54 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: it's very black. Why are there no there's nobody who's 55 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: unambiguously black in that video. I was shot when I say, 56 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: I was appalled and shock. I was like, okay, I've 57 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: had enough to you. And I was like, this is 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: crazy that like two black men would make a song 59 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: that sample. And I love both of those artists. Don't 60 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: get me wrong. I love Big creat and I love Lloyd, 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: but it was kind of disappointed and ironic to see 62 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: a song sample too classic black songs with no black 63 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: women in the video, and I was I thought about 64 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: that plus all the other videos we've watched here, and 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: I was like, girls, who are I would say maybe 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: twenty five and under. They're not seeing women that look 67 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: like them be the object of desire and music videos. 68 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: And some people may think that's not a big deal, 69 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: but when I look at, you know, my experience, your 70 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: experience seeing video vixens, Like my niece is twenty three, 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: she's not having that experience, and I think that's sad 72 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: um right, So that's what inspired me to make um 73 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: to create the Vixen Memoirs page. And then I was like, Okay, 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: photos isn't enough. We have to do like an audio history. 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: We have to do something that can kind of live 76 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: longer than just pictures. So that's when I started the podcast, 77 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: right because the video vixens that I grew up on 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: don't look like the video vixens that's today, right, or 79 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: really get to them and later in the conversation, but 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: the women definitely don't look the same nothing, nothing like 81 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: how they used to. And beauty trends change, things change, 82 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: but it's just crazy to not even see someone who 83 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: looks black in a video. I think that's insane, right, right? 84 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Is there a difference between black and white video vis 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: s because do we I don't really ever hear, really 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: hear about white video vixen is not that obviously used 87 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: to be more morally mostly about women of color. But 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: is there a difference? Yeah? Actually, like some of the 89 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: first videos, like since We're White, it was nainly like 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: rock girls, um, and like you know, a lot of 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: them would be like girls that tagged along for the tours, 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: roadies and stuff like that. There's a lot of them, 93 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: and they typically I don't I think they No one 94 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: has ever done it the way that black women have 95 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: done it. I don't think, and I could be wrong, 96 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: but from what I've researched about the started video vixens, 97 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: they were never making the money that like Melissa Ford 98 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: or anybody was making. I think we really took it 99 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: and elevated it. But there are white video vixens, they 100 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: would really just be like known as you know, girls 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: that tagged along with rock stars and things like that. Now, 102 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: can you name some proper video vixens that you consider 103 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: a legend? Um? We definitely have to give credit to 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Miss Melissa Ford. I think a lot of people would 105 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: not have been able to negotiate and make money without 106 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Melissa Ford. Uh. Pasha Demata's us peace right right, rest 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: in peace. She just passed away. Um esther Baxter, everybody 108 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: remembers her. Buffy the Body is probably one of my favorites. Um, 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: there's something Nicole Rika was in so many videos and 110 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: she did a lot of modeling to Um. I'm hoping 111 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I can do an episode with her pretty soon. Um yeah, 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: key toy. There's there's just so many and these are 113 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: all women who look you know, who look different. You know, 114 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: they all look different. Do you feel like video vixens 115 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: get the respect of it that they deserve? No? Um, 116 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: And I think that is because we're living in a 117 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: post current Stephen society. Talk about that too, because I 118 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: feel like I feel like Karan Steffans definitely get Um. 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: I know she played a part in the demise of 120 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: that era. About also feel like she don't get enough credits. Yeah, 121 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: she's kind of like a little bit of enigma because 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: she's on both sides of it. I don't think she 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: gets a lot of credit, But I think that she 124 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: kind of ushered in the video vixing to Instagram batty 125 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: to like expose a kind of pipeline, like everyone kind 126 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: of wanted to do that after she did it first, 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: and like just add more like scandal, just be a 128 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: little bit more salacious. That was definitely inspired by Karen. 129 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: But I think when the industry crash, like video stopped 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: having such big budgets, like people would get one million, 131 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: two million dollar budgets for their videos and right when 132 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: that stopped and rap music and then you get expose 133 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: from Karan and the way I think looking back at 134 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: when I read her book again for an episode I 135 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: did on Fixing, and I think people took it as 136 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: she was saying this happens to every girl in the 137 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: video vixing industry, but she really wasn't saying it like that. 138 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: But you know, people are they don't have to read people. Man. 139 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: People like comprehension, but they think as if everyone in 140 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the industry was doing and going through exactly what she did, 141 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: and it made people be able to make fun of 142 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: it and say we don't need it. And I think 143 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: the tip Drill video played apart two it was just 144 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a lot of factors and you 145 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: don't get the respect they deserved right, And I also 146 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: felt like there was a point in time where real 147 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: vixens were way more popul than reverse like more yeah, yeah, 148 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: we're known. Yeah, they were at all types of events, 149 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: and it's funny. Now we can talk about this all day, 150 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: but this is I've thought about this last week because, 151 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: um there was Miami Swim Week and I saw some 152 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: controversy on Twitter where people were upset that some of 153 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: the Instagram girls like Ari and Jada were participating in 154 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: Miami Swim Week. But I was like, it's funny that, 155 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: like people have that attitude now because video vixens were 156 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 1: invited to everything back in the man they did everything, 157 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: but now people have a problem with it. I don't 158 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: know if it's the Instagram of it all, but there's 159 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: like an issue with them being at certain events. People 160 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: seem to get upset when they're at things. Well, I 161 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: think that people get upset because people don't understand that 162 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: Instagram is a business now, like it's beyond social media. 163 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: And I also think that people just don't like to 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: see certain people winning. That's true. Yeah, So I mean, 165 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: granted that pretty privileged does stay a part in um 166 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: a lot of things that people UM people are involved 167 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: themselves in. But I also think that a lot of 168 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: these bitches do fucking work. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, 169 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: Like it's a lot of work to do the things 170 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: that some of these girls do. So I would never 171 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: take take away from what they do. But I also understand, 172 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: like if you pretty at least you've got one foot 173 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: already in the door, right, that's very true. And I 174 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: mean it's a job staying relevant when you don't have 175 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: like maybe a tangible talent exactly. You know, like you 176 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: gotta be doing something right, putting in some kind of work. Listen, 177 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't hate the player child. Listen. Do you think 178 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: that Black women get the credit they deserve for the 179 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: role they play in the UM and the expansion of 180 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: hip hop? No, I I don't think so at all. 181 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: I think that people like to reduce our role in 182 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: hip hop is like caddie behavior, um, But I think 183 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: we influenced so much, like just as far as like style, beauty, fashion, 184 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: like the cadence in which people wrap the beats people 185 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: want to use. I think women play a huge part 186 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: um in the hip hop industry. They're like stylists needs 187 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: to Hilton ump like all all of these people June 188 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: and Ambros Um, so many people who like um just 189 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: shape the way that like hip hop is presented and 190 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: packaged and how it looks to everyone in the world. 191 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think we get enough credit for that. 192 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Do you think we we will? Eventually? I think we're 193 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: in a time period where like it's cool to like 194 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: be all girl power right now. So hopefully we continue 195 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: to like catapult back into other things and women get 196 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: more credit and just more recognition, I hope. So I 197 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: feel good about it. I actually feel pretty good about 198 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: it because I feel like this is the first time 199 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: I've ever seen so many like girls in hip hop, 200 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: like not just collaborating with each other, but like under 201 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: each other's Instagram comments, And yeah, yeah, I see a 202 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: lot of that now, and I feel good about And 203 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: I also like the fact that there's different type of girls, 204 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: Like I feel like a lot of times people have 205 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: this idea of what a black coming is, and there 206 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: are so many different ways of being a black woman. 207 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: So I do like the fact that you got let's say, uh, 208 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: I don't put names out there, but let's just say 209 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: you've got somebody that's known for being like look him 210 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: supporting reply, M hmm, like I think that speaks volumes 211 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: because we need to show that type of collaboration as well. Absolutely. Yeah. 212 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: And then on the other spectrum, like I had someone 213 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: DM me on Instagram and they asked me why didn't 214 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: cover do an episode on They were like being accusatory. 215 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: Normally I wouldn't resund like this, but they were like, 216 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: you need to be talking about women who did who 217 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: actually invented things. Why you haven't talked about Shirley Chisholm. 218 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: I said, Babs girl, let's say the platform for Miss 219 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: Chisholm baby listening. It's so many platforms that's gonna talk 220 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: about and no offense to anybody. I hope none of 221 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: your listeners get offended. It's so many people who's gonna 222 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: talk about the Rosa parks of it all the correct 223 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing over yeah, and there's nothing 224 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: wrong with that, but that's what I'm saying, Like, I 225 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: feel like people have this idea what a black woman 226 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: is and it's not always gonna be Miss Parks. Yes, 227 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: it's like I did a series on respective right respectfully, 228 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: with all due respect, that's not my lane I did. 229 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: I did a series on like the history of the 230 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: Instagram Patty, and I got some feedback where people were like, 231 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: this is so stupid. Why are we talking about this? 232 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, I think that, like people have 233 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: an issue when black women want to talk about something 234 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: other than being like just strong or super intelligent. Like, 235 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: of course it's great to be those things, and we 236 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: can be whatever we want, but like, why don't we 237 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: talk about our contributions to beauty and fashion? Like why 238 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: does it have to be stupid? Why do we have 239 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: to Like I feel like black women are not allowed 240 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: to just enjoy like the simple things in life, and 241 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: people just get upset by it. I'm like, this is 242 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: we literally made Instagram. What it is you're on this 243 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: app just like me telling me it's stupid. But I'm 244 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: talking the effect that black women had on this app, 245 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: and you think I should be talking about something more important, 246 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: like why can't we talk about our contribution to aesthetics? 247 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: Like how why is that dumb? You know? And you 248 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: also made a good point about this. Um you said 249 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: something in that episode about how white women, white women 250 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: been doing this all along for like for years, like 251 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: they get to sit down for alic look pretty talk 252 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: about nothing and nobody come at them. But the minute 253 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: that women black women wanted basket and feminally, there's a 254 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: problem exactly exactly, And I think it's very telling and 255 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: it's it's odd to be like a play a page 256 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: that's called vixen. You're like, you need to post Shirley 257 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Chisom like respectfully, I'm not posting Shirley Chishen like right, 258 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: and for nothing. I don't even know when the term 259 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: vixen became so negative because Vixon was like, I don't know, 260 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: maybe when I was growing up, video vixing was like 261 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: you was that girl? Like, it didn't to me. It 262 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: didn't become like a negative thing until they start playing 263 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: like video groupie or video hole. But there was nothing 264 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: bad at all, Like I know plenty of bitches, including myself, 265 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: who wanted to be a video of mixing. Like I 266 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: thought that they were just pretty, they had fun, The 267 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: niggas wanted them like they goes like their money like 268 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: and then that it became a business, right exactly. And 269 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: vixen to me, it's it's strong, it's sexy, right, it's 270 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: all of those things that I think black women embody. 271 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: But when it's packaged as like aesthetics. People have some 272 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: kind of problem with it. When it's a package. It's 273 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting, it's really interesting. I get so many like 274 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: eight messages from people. Right. Um, I noticed that throughout 275 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: your episodes that you always mentioned Playboy. Was there a 276 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: correlation between Playboy and video mixes? Well, I personally just 277 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: loved the brand Playboy. Um, impeccable Brandon. Yes, I love Playboy. 278 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: I wish I would have been able to go to 279 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: a Playboy club. But I mentioned it a lot because 280 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: my very first episode of my podcast was UM, the 281 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: history of Jennifer Jackson, who was the first black Playboy 282 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: bunny to work in the club. And then she also 283 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: um posed in the magazine, so she was a playmate. 284 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: So Playboy bunnies were the girls who wore them the 285 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: uniform in the club, and then playmates are people who 286 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: actually appear in the magazine. So she was both a 287 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: bunny and a playmate. Um, the first black woman to 288 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: do both. And this was in the Sick. Seems like 289 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: it was a very new brand back then, because I 290 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: think Playboy started at fifty nine and it was like 291 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: sixty seven. Um. So yeah, So I talked about Playboy 292 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot because I think there are so many black 293 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: women who have worked with Playboy. Not as many as 294 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: there should be, but there's a good amount where you 295 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: can kind of talk about it. Um. But I referenced 296 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: it a lot because it reminds me a lot of 297 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: like the Start or just being aesthetically pleasing. It kind 298 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: of reminds me of being a bottle girl. Yeah, it was. 299 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: It's very reminiscent of like bottle girl culture. So I 300 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: bring it up a lot because I feel like it's 301 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: just what that m No. I love play I love 302 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: anybody who has like a very strong brand voice like Playboy. Definitely. 303 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: You know when you saw that bunny, you knew exactly 304 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: what time it was. Yes, you know who it is, 305 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: and when you if you saw it somewhere else, you'd 306 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: be like, hey, that's play you know exactly exactly. Now, 307 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: who would you say was the blueprint for video vixings? 308 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: And why? I already know your answer so hard. Um. Oh, 309 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna say this person name, like, 310 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: this is it Melissa? What are you thinking? I was 311 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: gonna say Melissa? Yeah, I would have to say Melissa 312 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: because I think she played the game the best. A 313 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: lot of girls made a ton of money and are 314 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: still doing great and eating very well. I'm off of 315 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: their fame, but I think she kind of parlayd UM 316 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: very well into kind of like what we see now 317 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: with like influencers, because she did that Um, she did 318 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: video Vixen, She went and got into real estate, then 319 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: she got into reality TV with Blood Sweating Heels, and 320 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: then she got on that radio show with that guy 321 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: Jason Lee. Like she just she just keeps evolving and 322 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: like staying with the times. And I think it's very 323 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: hard for people to keep up with the times because 324 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: the Internet moves so fast and like beauty trends, everything 325 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: we love goes so quickly. But Melissa Ford has managed 326 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: to stay relevant and like she she's been in videos. 327 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: I think she first appeared in a video on like 328 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: nineties six or something like that. So for her to 329 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: like still be around and still be like, you know, relevant, 330 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: be asked to be a spokesperson, be asked to host 331 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: things now today, I think that she just really really 332 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: just parlayed her fame well. And also, like I love 333 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: how she negotiated things. Um. She created a website. She 334 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: was one of the first Video Vixens to create herself 335 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: a website. She's business savvy for sure, Harry, business savvy. 336 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: You know. She had she directed people there, she sold calendar, 337 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: she had a management team, and she negotiated her contracts 338 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: and she got to a point where she could do video. 339 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: She only she only does videos with people she respects parted, 340 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: she likes and the video can't be too wrong. She 341 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, like, she just really made it a business. 342 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: And I think the other girl saw her doing it, 343 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: not that she was the first, but I think she 344 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: did it the best. They saw her doing it and 345 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: they're like, I need to get like the way support Ryan. 346 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: And one thing I mean you have in common is 347 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: that we both love blood, sweat and hills. That was 348 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: my Oh, that was hard breaking award. I mean, anybody 349 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: that you watch on TV that you feel like you 350 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: have a connection with and you grow with them and 351 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: then they later transition, which is that was just sad, man. 352 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: It was very sad. And you know what's so funny. 353 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: I did an episode I think it was in the 354 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: first season. It was kind of like it was a 355 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: light history on the um, the background and the start 356 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: of Video Vixens. I kind of want to like redo 357 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: that episode, to do a second part and go deeper 358 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: into it. But I referenced an article that Geneva wrote 359 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: and it was a very I love my girl Geneva, 360 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: but it was a hateing as article and I was like, 361 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: Geneva would write this when I did. What was the 362 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: arts about? It was about like the downfall. It was 363 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: called the chicken Heads something that I'll find it and 364 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: send it to you, um, but it was basically just 365 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: talking about like, oh, the girls aren't making any money 366 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: anymore and it's their fault, you know. She was referencing 367 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't get far by the game, that song, that video, 368 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: all of that just kind of the downfalls. I mean, 369 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: think about Geneva when she do right the shady a 370 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: parent baby they heavy. I forgot she wrote like that 371 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: because I haven't read anything by her and so long. 372 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: But I was like, Geneva, my girl's talented. She hate 373 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: her though, I know, And I also not to get 374 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: away from the topic of him, but I also that 375 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: show was just so good, and I don't know if 376 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: I heard it from you or somebody else. I was 377 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: talking to about you and this this episode that we're doing. 378 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: I just hate how they don't let shows about creatives grow. Yeah, 379 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: because like there are so many of us that look 380 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: like that on TV that's actually understand what they're going through. 381 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: And I think, especially with Melissa four, I just thought 382 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: that it was very honorable of her to be transparent 383 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: about her starting over and trying to get into real estate. Yes, yes, 384 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: that that storyline was powerful. The girls just moved, just 385 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: moving to New York from somewhere else, like that little 386 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: as apartment child. Yeah, oh my god, Melissa studio apartment, 387 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: Like that was so real. I was telling one of 388 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: my friends not too long ago that was such an 389 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: accurate depiction of New York And like, no shade to 390 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: any other shows that are on right now, but I 391 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of in New York now are 392 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: not accurate. No, they're not, Like they're not. It's not 393 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: they're showing people our age who are like who have 394 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: like two three bedroom apartments like Girl Girl or even 395 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: when um even with the Metro, like just to see 396 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: where she's at now and seeing when she started, like 397 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: when she was right on. It's just we need to 398 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: see more of that because I feel like people focus 399 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: so much on the glow up and they don't focus 400 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: on the journey of getting to that glow up right 401 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: to come up. Yeah, you don't see that anymore, and 402 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: I feel like that it would be a really good 403 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: time for them to reboot that show now right right 404 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: right longer creatives. I love that show. I'm glad we 405 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: talked right So, you said that Buffy was your favorite 406 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: video vix and why is that? Um, I think that 407 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: Buffy faced a lot of adversity in her career and 408 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: it's she was not in a whole lot of videos, 409 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: but she really wasn't, but she made such an impact 410 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: and it was literally just because she existed. It was 411 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: because she was dark skinned and she had she was 412 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: super thick, shit was big booty, and like people just 413 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: kind of projected so much onto her. Melissa Ford was 414 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: very nasty to her. Um. I talked about that in 415 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: my episode with Buffy and like did the history of that. 416 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: Even Reagan Gomez commented on Twitter about it, because you 417 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: know that cover of them on King where Melissa Maya, 418 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: Buffy and Ragan, Yeah, yeah, it's them for and like 419 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: they Buffy's like all the way in the back of 420 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: the photo and everyone else is kind of like up close, 421 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: and apparently Melissa had them put Buffy there. Melissa later 422 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: apologized to Buffy, but like she had situations like that. Um, 423 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: the video she did her I think this might have 424 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: been her first video. It's the one she's most famous for. 425 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: So seductive Tony yaya. Um. She wore like a black 426 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: long sleep MAXI dressed that entire video and very modest. 427 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: People wear stuff like that all time, right, it was 428 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: form fitting, but it was a Maxie dress and it 429 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: was long sleep. They cut her when when the video premiered, 430 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: she was so disappointed because they cut off her bottom half. 431 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: So it's like things like that were happening to her 432 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: for no reason, literally just because of the way she looks. 433 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: And I mean being a dark skinned woman. Of course 434 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: I had that connection with her because I think people 435 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: over sexualized dark skinned women. Um, even though she was 436 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: in like a sexually charged industry. But you know it 437 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't happen to other women like that. I 438 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: don't think other vixens were being treated the way she was. Um. 439 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: So I just have a lot of respect for her, 440 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: and she's done really well with her career and people 441 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: should just check her on out. She got like three 442 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: thriving businesses. She has you tobe, she does her thing, 443 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: you know, and I think me and treated that way 444 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: and coming out the way she did is impressive. Right. 445 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: It's also just crazy, how like, because I had a 446 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: lot of friends that had were like know, thicker, had natural, 447 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: big booties, full lips, all this only ship and now 448 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: everybody wants to have it right and she was made 449 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: to feel like such an outcast because of it, and 450 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: now everybody looks like her right right now, child, let's 451 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: talk about Uncut. Y'all want it? And how do you 452 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: feel when some people say that Uncut was the catalyst 453 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: for objectifying black women? Ain't a lie I used to 454 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: love as a kid because I used to be like, 455 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, what the fuck is this? Like I've seen 456 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: some of the funniest videos and I know some of 457 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: the funniest songs like just random because of BT Uncut, 458 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: I will always give them their flowers for that programming. 459 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: I thought that it was great. It was great, and 460 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean like, and when people say like this is 461 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: they're objectifying black women, stuff like this happens all the time. 462 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: It may not have been recorded, it happens since strip 463 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: clubs at private parties. All of this stuff is happening 464 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: between consenting adults. Hopefully they're always essential, but like it happens, 465 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: it's just it happened to be recorded, you know what 466 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean? Just like there was such an uproar with 467 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: Tip the Tip Drill video when the credit card car 468 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: got swiped down money Williams but white chocolate. You know 469 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: that's her but and she agreed to that, and it 470 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: was actually her idea. So you know when you first 471 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: on that video, yes, that wasn't even what stood out 472 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: to me. I didn't really care about the credit cards, 473 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: like I was just in all everything that was happening, 474 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: somebody was getting I think there's a scene of somebody 475 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: getting eight out in that video that was more shocking 476 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: to me than the credit cards. Wife. Yeah, I think overall, 477 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: when I first und a video, I didn't the video. 478 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: It was just a lot from my little brain. I 479 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: was like, yo, is this what they do when we 480 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: get grown? Like it was just a going on. So 481 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't even think that I was surprised about the 482 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: Like you said about the credit card, but I didn't 483 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: know one time I read or maybe I just forgot 484 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: that when I was listening to your episode about that 485 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: my tip drop video. I didn't know about the Spellman 486 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: kids boycotting um Nellie, and I'm funking with him. They 487 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: had better things to do with their time for for organizing, 488 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: and I respect any young people who working out, but 489 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: y'all had bigger fish to fry than that. He was 490 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: coming on the campus to do something positive, find that 491 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: donor for his sister, or like, come on, y'all a 492 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: video none of y'all was in it. I said, no, 493 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: we wanted to put hands on these kids, Shorty. I 494 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: would have I can't blame. I would have been pissed 495 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: to like, come on, y'all, that has nothing to do 496 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: with y'all. Right, And then what did Stephen Hill say 497 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 1: at the time, He's like, the bigger problem is why 498 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: is y'all kids up at three o'clock in the morning. 499 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Why I have y'all seen that exactly? That's that's the 500 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: crazy part. I mean. I think that BCN cut was 501 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: a moment. I don't know if it has a place 502 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: in the world now, but it was good for what 503 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: it was. Right, you remember this song. I feel like 504 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: nobody remember this song. It was like, I ain't got 505 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: no panting song Ain't got no, I ain't Yes, you 506 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: know that was my ships look, yeah, and it's like 507 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: where were we gonna hear songs like like that's culture. No, 508 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: if you don't like it, whether you like it or not, 509 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: that is culture. You know those kinds. And we all 510 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: know these no matter where we were raised, like we 511 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: know these songs. It was all up cutting the TV 512 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: on sneaking and watch uncut was a vibe. Man, I 513 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: don't care nobody. That was a part of my staple 514 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: in my childhood. Agreed. What are your thoughts on people 515 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: saying that video vixens played a part in misogyny. Ah, 516 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: I think now, I guess I get where they're coming 517 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: from if they're talking about current times, because the girls 518 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: do not get paid no more so it's kind of 519 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: like you're holding women back by like not asking for 520 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: money and like not getting paid for stuff. But I 521 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: don't I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with like 522 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: being someone's lead girl or love interest or romantic interest 523 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: in the video. I think that it typically comes from 524 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: women who are doing like I think people take it 525 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: as like, oh well, and this is an issue that 526 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: I had a lot when I started vixing, people would 527 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: be like, well, we don't want black women doing ship 528 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: like that. Leave that to the white girls and Hispanic girls. 529 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: And it's like, I get what you're saying, but like, 530 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: the bigger issue, the actual pain point, is the fact 531 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: that like these artists, like let's say Chris Brown for example, 532 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: because we all know how he gives it up when 533 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: it comes to like black women. Um, the when you 534 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: look at his concerts, the people who buy them tickets, 535 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: those are black girls in the in the audience who 536 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: are buying, who are buying out his shows. So then 537 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: you see that at his concerts and you look at 538 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: his videos and there's hardly any black women are like 539 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: he's He has lyrics that reference like light skinned women 540 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: or mixed women only. How does that make the young 541 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: black fan feel it's right? And it's like you may 542 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: not think it's important because you see these women as 543 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: being sexually objectified, but black women need to know Black 544 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: young black girls need to know they're the standard of 545 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: the beauty too, that they're beautiful too, but they can 546 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: be somebody's desire or love interest or all of that. Like, 547 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: it can't feel good to never see yourself in a 548 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: position of being someone's you know, desire. So I don't 549 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: I see what people mean, but then again, I don't 550 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: agree with it. And I think that's why I was 551 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: so excited about this conversation because I feel like when 552 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: I was growing up, like I I know, colorism definitely 553 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: existed and it still does. But I feel like, growing up, 554 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: I saw women that look like me now mhm. And 555 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: I feel like, do you feel like you saw women 556 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: like you when he was grown up? Absolutely? Yeah. I 557 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: feel like like a lot of the video fixing that 558 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: were well known with brownies m hmm, yeah, a lot 559 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: of them were brown skin, um, dark skin. They had 560 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: natural bodies. I have nothing wrong. I don't think there's 561 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: anything wrong with a little tweak. You know. The clash 562 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: of surgery industry is interesting to me. Um, But you know, 563 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: they kind of looked like girls that we knew. And 564 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: that's what I was saying earlier, was like they looked 565 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: like your older cousins and the girls that lived down 566 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the street, girls that went to the local high school. Like, 567 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: they looked like girls that we knew, you know, So 568 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: you do you think that's the reason why I'm Melissa 569 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: for was trying to separate herself from that stereotype because 570 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: of misogyny. Yeah, I think that her separating herself it 571 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: helped her escape a little bit of those stereotypes. And 572 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: that was really important to her because she wanted to 573 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: continue to make her money and I think she knew 574 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: she it to parlay her career and she knew she 575 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: needed to have respect for that um. And I mean 576 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: looking one, I I was a little indifferent to her 577 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 1: personality until I did the episode that I did on her, 578 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: and I started to have a lot more respect, just 579 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: like combing through old articles and people would try to 580 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: clown her for no reason, literally just because she was 581 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: a video vixing UM. And I think she had to 582 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of be that way because she's she has said 583 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: some misogynistic things herself, but I think that she has 584 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: said things like that in order to survive because Vixen's 585 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: just had no respect. Yeah, yeah, that's sucked up. Yeah 586 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: all right, So what would you say was the start 587 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: of the shift for the end of this era? I 588 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: did a poll about this, like last year. We we 589 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: it's the Chris Brown Fabulous two thousand nine. UM, like 590 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: that era that you think it's a niggas yeah, I 591 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: think that was what ended the video vixen industry because 592 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: that's when you started to see like no black women 593 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: in videos anymore. That's what I like. When Chris Brown 594 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: lost that, like what campaign was that was that double 595 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: Gun I don't know when he had the Rigley gum 596 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: commercial or whatever. When he lost that after Rihanna and him, 597 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: when he went to like the Bad Side, you know, 598 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: and he was doing all them you know, he got 599 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: like that rap kind of those rap songs and stuff. 600 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: I feel like that was when things kind of shifted. 601 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: When Fabulous had his like big mainstream comeback UM with 602 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: like some of his songs, when Joe Budden was heavy 603 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter doing like the trending topics, like, I think 604 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: that was like when I started to like not really 605 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: see black girls and videos anymore, and I would really 606 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: only see like Latino women in videos or like mixed 607 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: race women in videos. I think that played a big part. 608 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: But prior to that, there was UM I guess around 609 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: like oh five oh six, when UM videos stopped getting 610 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: such big budgets, like rap video stopped getting big budgets, 611 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: they started putting all of that money towards UM pop singles. 612 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: So they had the big budgets and rap videos. They 613 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: had to start. There's a documentary about this, I'll send 614 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: it to you. Um, they started to just like pick 615 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: girls out from strip clubs. Yes, And this was exploitedive 616 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: because they would just not pay these girls or like 617 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: pay them something like maybe give people two hundred three 618 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: hundred to do it. Like they would go deep down 619 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 1: to like smaller strip clubs and grab those girls and 620 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: have those girls, you know, doing certain stuff and videos 621 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: that you know, like a Melissa Ford and those those 622 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: girls would never do those things, you know, and if 623 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: they did, they wanted a big feet, um, so that 624 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: the budgets getting cut and them kind of like scouting 625 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: from strip clubs. That was like the beginning of it. 626 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: And I think when Karen Stephens with Confessions of the 627 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: Video X and came out, I think people have so 628 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: much criticism for that industry more than they ever had. 629 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: So that helped. And then we just kind of stopped 630 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: seeing black women in videos um as a whole. And 631 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: now when you see a video that has like majority 632 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: black women, people make it such a big deal. And 633 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean I love seeing videos for all black girls, 634 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: Like I get excited about it too, but sometimes I'm like, 635 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is hip hop. We should be in 636 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: every video, you know. So I think those were the 637 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: factors that kind of like brought it down right. What 638 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Korean Stephan Stephens and what are 639 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: you How do you feel about her rebranding herself or 640 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: is she really rebranded herself? Because I feel like you 641 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: can be one person and be known so many different 642 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: ways to different people, right she I mean she confuses me. 643 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: She's like the most fascinating person I think I've ever 644 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: done research on because I don't know what is true 645 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: and what is not true. I have not because she 646 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: she now says that Karin Stephens is the is her 647 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: like stage name and the real name is Elizabeth Child. 648 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't know what is going on with that woman, 649 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: but her brain. Yeah, I think she's very smart. I'll 650 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: tell you that much. It's very smart. She's very very intelligent, 651 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: and I think like she could current seconds could probably 652 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: cure cancer like that bitches her. She's far but she 653 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: I just in my opinion on whenever people ask me 654 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: this all the time, I'm like, I don't know, because 655 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what is true with her and what's 656 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: not true. But I think that she's told us for 657 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: so long, and I give her her props to that, 658 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: and I like her energy. I did, and I think 659 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: what she was able to do with her book, I know, 660 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: but she was just like, Yo, I've been sucking these 661 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: niggas for mag years and look like that ship was 662 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: a game change here. I don't care what nobody said. Yes, 663 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: yeah she I mean, she's just like mine. Fuck the 664 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: entire she brought down and into entire industry single anthy 665 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: damn gear um. And then she continues to funk with us. 666 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, she comes out, she says something crazy about 667 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: Little Wayne, and then she got the guy from Family 668 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: Man adders and some ship and girl the Columbus short 669 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: of the Columbus, short of at all. I just have 670 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: no idea before on in her life, like And the 671 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: funny thing is I hear I hear other videos basinesce 672 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: Lokeith throwing shade of her, saying that she wasn't even 673 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: the video vixin. Yeah, A lot of them that I've 674 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: spoken to say that, Um, A lot of girls say that, 675 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: And I've seen that in the interviews a lot um 676 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: that people are just like I don't I don't know her. 677 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, she was never there, she wasn't around. We 678 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 1: didn't we didn't see her and stuff. You know, her 679 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: friend is just I don't know what like, It's almost 680 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: like you can't have an opinion on her because everything 681 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: is just so like she does something great, and she 682 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: does something kind of and then you don't know what's true. 683 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: Then she's like, well that act, that part wasn't true, 684 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: but this was. You just I don't know, but I'm entertained. 685 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: I love the rebrand and she gotta got She gotta 686 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: have a hell of a thick skin because people were 687 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: so mean to her. They were they were and like 688 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: reading it as the reading confessions of the video fixing 689 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: again as like actual adult and had a nosy child, 690 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: it's so like you get it, just a completely different 691 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: perspective of everything that's going through and just like the 692 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: way she was used and abused, and I think people 693 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: made it like more of a It was definitely scandalous, 694 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: but I think people too, people didn't really people lost 695 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: over like the abuse and the suffering that she experienced. 696 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: And I don't really know why that was, but I guess, 697 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, just seeing the big name and the name dropping. 698 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: That was just more entertaining. And I also felt like 699 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: instead of us talking about the decision she made. I 700 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of times people weren't holding the 701 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: men accountable for the part they played in it. Absolutely 702 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: like no no one cared about what was her who 703 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: was her favorite at Cool g rap or whatever that 704 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: guy is, Like nobody locked that up or you know, 705 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: made any comments on that. It was just the name 706 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: dropping Usher Diddy, whoever else, mathematic whoever else she liked, 707 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of name dropped that book, you know. So I 708 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: feel like the role of women has definitely evolved over time, 709 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: and now I feel like video vixens are now Instagram batties. 710 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: So talk about the evolution of the Instagram batty effects. Um, 711 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: I think the Instagram batty thing it. I think these 712 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: are girls who were popular on the Internet and you know, 713 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: you would see them in videos from time to time, 714 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: but that wasn't really their primary thing, like like China Grow, 715 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: like China at Ko D. I had the pleasure of 716 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: seeing her there one time. I was not supposed to 717 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: be there. Definitely under age. What were you I was 718 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: like nine, I was like eighteen or nineteen. I think 719 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: over eight I was, I was of age and I 720 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: wasn't on enough to be a ko d um. But yeah, 721 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean just like see her, people like that who 722 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: kind of transitioned into Instagram, Heather Sanders, um a Maya Scott, 723 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: people like that, um who took took their Instagram popularity 724 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: and made fashion Nova ohs black women, oh child, let's 725 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: not even get into fashion fucking nova. Oh no black women. 726 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: And the way that nobody would give a funk about 727 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: that brand if it wasn't for black women is crazy 728 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: and like just hearing about like them stiff and black 729 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: women for pay. I remember when Jackie Aina did a 730 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: video and like she didn't really call them out that 731 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: she made it known like that they don't like to 732 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: pay black women like what I Actually she did do 733 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: an expos a video on the I think, um, they 734 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: don't like to play pay back black women what they deserve. 735 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: And it's crazy because they come off one of the bats. Yeah, 736 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: like the black women were their first supporters. Black China 737 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: and a Rose Cardi B when she was before she 738 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 1: was even a rapper. Um, that was who they used 739 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: for marketing and the Instagram values. They were girls who 740 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of took that and they made Instagram of business. 741 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: Like back when people were just posting pictures of sucking 742 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: sunsets on Instagram. That was like was um, they took 743 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: it and you know you could make a check off 744 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: of it. Could be paid promotion, getting paid propose, getting 745 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: paid to be brand ambassadors, and that was all. That 746 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: was something that black women did first. And I mean, 747 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: I'll give Fashion Over their props for whoever they had 748 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: running their team at the time, who had the idea 749 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: to do that, But these girls were the ones who 750 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: did it first, back when Fashion Nova didn't even have 751 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: anything but jenes. I remember when they had nothing but genes, 752 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: and black women were who they used. And then other 753 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: brands started to do a pretty little thing, um every 754 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: even the Shade Room that was paid promotion. Like so 755 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: many brands know how to monetize Instagram because of black 756 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: women being the first to do it and from seeing 757 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: black women get paid. So I think I found the 758 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: very foundation of Instagram is you know, thanks to us. 759 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: Really yeah, not for nothing. I really hate how um 760 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: how my girl Black China is going out. Man, I 761 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: have a soft spot for her because she's from DC 762 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: like me. Yeah, but that I don't know I think 763 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: that China is very smart. I think she's smarter than 764 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: people give her credit for. But yeah, she does for China. Yeah, 765 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, girl, why are you fighting? Girl? Like 766 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: you're black? Right, And it's like all these girls are 767 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: literally your son's black China, Like damn it. Yes, the 768 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: other Instagram girls Kylie Jenner, they are all her sons. 769 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: So as like, I really hate how my girl going out. 770 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: Another good point that you made us the insta surgeon, Yes, 771 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: talk about that. There's something called inst the face um 772 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: that a lot of surgeons views, and a lot of 773 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: people will come in and ask for that Instagram face 774 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 1: kind of like looking like one of the filters Dinner nose, 775 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: the eyes with her lips kind of like maybe a 776 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 1: con toward um, she getting you know, like a brow lift. 777 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: Like all of that plays a part in the Instagram 778 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,879 Speaker 1: phase they called Kim Pardashian's with ground zero. I feel 779 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: I believe it's called ground zero um because that everybody 780 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: comes in and we'll give a picture of her um 781 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: or like something on her face to to have themselves 782 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: look like um. So insto the surgeon. I mean I 783 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: see ads all the time. I love to click them 784 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: because I like to see what world, um, and just 785 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: like seeing the things that we can do these days, 786 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: like the Cupid's bow surgery, all types of stuff, the 787 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: non invasive surgery stuff, Like, there's just so much out there, 788 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: and I think it's interesting. Like I try to keep 789 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: my ears to the TikTok streets as much as possible 790 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: because TikTok is becoming like a search engine within itself, 791 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: and on there I'm seeing like so many black girls 792 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: who get filler regularly. I've never seen I think I've 793 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: mentioned that on that eups. I've never seen that before. UM. 794 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: And I know Philler has been around for a long time, 795 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: and I know that's something that white women have done 796 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: for years, is preventive care botox as well at you 797 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 1: you know girls who black girls who sweat a lot 798 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: getting bowtops in their under office. It's so many things 799 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: that are just like you know, as someone who writes 800 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: about like what we like and like the trends, the 801 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: trends that we have in our history. It's interesting to 802 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: see all of that now, UM, And I think Instagram 803 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 1: has played a big part in that. I don't know 804 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: if we would be doing things like this if it 805 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: wasn't for Instagram. Um. And if it wasn't for the 806 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: popularity of the Instagram girls are Aris are Jada's are 807 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: Alexis eyes? Like, if it wasn't for the popularity of 808 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 1: these women's not there fault. And I don't even really 809 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: think it's a bad thing. It's just interesting to see that, 810 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: um see that happen. Because when I was younger, it 811 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: was classic surgery. It just it was. It was It 812 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: was kind of some white people shipped to me like 813 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 1: it was tib it was time. Yeah, getting a nose 814 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: job for your eighteen birthday or something like that was 815 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: some of the white girls did. Getting a bood job 816 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: for your birthday. That was something the white girls did. 817 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: But now you just see so many black girls, as 818 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: my mom would say, playing with their face umum, and 819 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: just doing all kinds of different stuff. I mean, I 820 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: love beauty trends. I'm fascinated by it, and I'm gonna 821 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: keep up with what's going on. I can't say I 822 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: would recommend all of this stuff, but I think that 823 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: I think it can be harmful for sure. M And 824 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: I think people like me and you are lucky because 825 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 1: we're like, you know, younger millennials who have We've seen 826 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. We've seen like the natural, 827 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: we've seen the video fixings, we've seen all of that, 828 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: and now we're kind of seeing this more like done up, 829 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: dog like version of beauty. So we can kind of 830 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: take what we like and don't like from both eras. 831 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: But I always think about my niece because I have 832 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: a twenty three year old niece and I'm like, I 833 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,959 Speaker 1: wonder how this kind of stuff affects her, because she's 834 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: only one side of it, you know, Do she talk 835 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: about it? Because that is a good observation she is. 836 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting because she's probably one of the most confident 837 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: younger girls I've ever met. My piece's dark skin, she's 838 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: a chocolate girl, and she has her hair is like 839 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 1: a low cut fade, and she dies at all these 840 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: different colors, and she's a beautiful girl and um, but 841 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: she doesn't seem to have any complexes about it. And 842 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: I don't like to put it on her, boy like 843 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: discussing how um if she feels about it, because I 844 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: like how confident she is and I wanted to stay 845 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 1: this way. UM, So I don't offer her too much 846 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: about it. But she seems to be fine with it, 847 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: But I do think about her and her friends a 848 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: lot um just with that kind of I see sometimes 849 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: because we're I'm twenty nine and she's twenty three, so 850 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: there's a gap there, but it ain't that much like 851 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: we go out together and stuff like that. When I 852 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: hear when I'm with her and her friends and I 853 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: hear them talking, I'd be like, I can tell that 854 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: that mindset is kind of rubbing off on them a 855 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: little bit. All they're seeing, you know where we got 856 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: to kind of see both sides, right, Okay, so maybe 857 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing Devil's an advocate. Right. Do you think 858 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: that we as in black women are taking a couple 859 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: of pages from white women, like with the plastic surgery, 860 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: with like even with like luxury and something, because you also, 861 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: I got to see an episode about black girl luxury 862 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: and just the whole movement, and I'm kind of not 863 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: really with it. Yeah, So what do you feel about that? Like, 864 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: do you feel like, and I mean, don't get me wrong, 865 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: like I do think that, you know, black women are 866 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: the originators of a lot of things, But I do 867 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: feel like, and I don't think that a lot of 868 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: people would say this out loud, But I do think 869 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: that sometimes we may look at white women and we 870 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: may be like, go, damn, look at this bitch, like 871 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: she got this, she got this burking bag, she got 872 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: this cardia ber. You know what I'm saying. Like, I 873 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: think that when we look at other races, we I 874 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: feel like we have an idea that's what luxury is, 875 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 1: and I deserve that type of luxury and I'm gonna 876 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: do what I gotta do to get it. Yes, yes, 877 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: I think that there's a fine line between where it 878 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: become where it's healthy, and where it's unhealthy. Like as 879 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: I get older, I like my life to be easier. Um. 880 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: And I look at people like Jackie I and and 881 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: I think Jackie Ida is just enjoying things, Like I'm like, oh, 882 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: this is great. She has a sucking cow woman and 883 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to tower woman like Jackie. It's like 884 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: enjoying life, you know what I mean. And then you 885 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: have people like this. There's this girl on tiktop and 886 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: she they're always dragging her on Twitter. I know you, 887 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: I know your listeners are gonna know what I talk about. 888 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: I want to say. Her name is like Priscilla or 889 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,760 Speaker 1: something like that, and she always goes into these stores 890 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: and like she's very like she complains about people not 891 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: knowing like how much money she has. Like I think 892 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: she has a very toxic relationship with all of that stuff. 893 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: It's very everything that she says. I find it to 894 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: be very superficial and more so for show um and 895 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,399 Speaker 1: like she'll brag about like how much money she can 896 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,400 Speaker 1: spend in this store and then be upset that they 897 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: didn't treat her right, but then go back in there. 898 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: I just feel like that's where it becomes like you're 899 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,760 Speaker 1: kind of a loser, you know. Yeah, It's like that's unhealthy. 900 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: It feels like you're trying to keep up with something 901 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: and keep up some kind of facade or like some 902 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 1: kind of image. And that's where it gets really really 903 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: corny too, because it's like, girl, you're like, you don't 904 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: need to blow a bag in her mez or wherever 905 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: right now, and like nobody's asking you for that, but 906 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: you feel like you're trying to keep up that. I 907 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 1: think that's the problem with the movement. I like being 908 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: black women enjoy themselves. I like heeing black women be 909 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: able to have the things that they want and just 910 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: enjoy their lives because we sweep struggle. I want us 911 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,720 Speaker 1: to be happy. But I think when it when people 912 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: start trying to live that lifestyle to one up each 913 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: other or prove something, that's where it becomes cops. I 914 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: don't like about that movie because I'm all about luxury, 915 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 1: Like I always worked in luxury. I love me in 916 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: nice bags, nice shoes. I love feeling good. But I 917 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: just hate that that's the idea of what luxury is 918 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: because for me in this age, luxury now is a 919 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: piece of mine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Luxury 920 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: for me is freedom. So also I want to have 921 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: a nice bag on my shoulders. But I just hate 922 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,439 Speaker 1: that that's what they promoted. They pushed down to people 923 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: like you gotta be able to go on these lavish trips, 924 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: Like no, you don't have to go on these labish trips, 925 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: Like it's okay if everybody cannot afford certain things, like 926 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. And it's this Jesus because 927 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: these influencers they push out that content. They're booking um 928 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: staycations at these nice hotels specifically for content like these 929 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: expensive hotels, and then their viewers are like I want 930 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: to They do these like Q and A's and their 931 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: viewers are like, I want to be like you, and 932 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: they're like, no luxuries about having the things you want girl, 933 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, goddamn blow. The people want to be on 934 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: a yacht just like you. That's not what they're talking about. 935 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: They spend money excessively, the way you spend money, and 936 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,560 Speaker 1: I just wish people would be honest about that if 937 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,479 Speaker 1: they're not honest about it, right right. And I think 938 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,400 Speaker 1: that's where I gets so fucking annoyed because so a 939 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: lot of people are so um easily what's the word 940 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 1: I'm looking for, influence. Yeah, So a lot of people 941 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 1: don't have a mind the own, so they just think 942 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: that this is what it is. Like I don't know, 943 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just a little old too, because even the 944 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: fact that like you don't get luxury on the painted plan, 945 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, like I get it, like 946 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you need a little cushy, need a little help, 947 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: but it's just like they're really pushing it out there, 948 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 1: like you need this, you need that, and I'm just like, yo, 949 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: if that's not who you were or who you are, 950 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: it's okay. Yeah, And it kind of bothers me that 951 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: this like idea of hyper consumption has gotten so popular 952 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: in the middle of a pandemic where people are like 953 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: suffering and have been suffering since I just like it. 954 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: Just it feels very phony to me. It feels so funny. 955 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,800 Speaker 1: And when they get on there and they say luxury 956 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,240 Speaker 1: is buying what like what makes you happy or like 957 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: like me going to Starbucks and buying a ten dollar drink, 958 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: that's not luxury. You're on a yacht today, you're in 959 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 1: parissed tomorrow, and then you're in sucking Greece. That's lu 960 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: you're giving everyone lifestyle porn. And when people say they 961 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 1: want to be like you do know that that is 962 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: what they're talking about. They're not talking about like just 963 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, being comfortable where they're at. They want to 964 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: be like when you know it, you know, And that's 965 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,280 Speaker 1: why I'm like, this is just and I'm not really 966 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to like argue for women, 967 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 1: for people, for us to be able to access certain stuff, 968 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,920 Speaker 1: like I don't know if I care about that, like 969 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: people be like, oh, well, you know I went here 970 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: and you know, people were staring at me, and like 971 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,959 Speaker 1: black women deserve to be here and not be scared 972 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,879 Speaker 1: at Like, yeah, you should feel comfortable where you're at. 973 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I feel like it's so much other 974 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,799 Speaker 1: important ship going on. I don't know if I care 975 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: right right right, Like, I don't know because when you 976 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 1: said that, I'm just like, yo, I just remember this 977 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: movement just coming out of nowhere and everybody just talking 978 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and it's like pandemic and it's like 979 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: for like people are going like people are already feeling 980 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 1: bad as it is, people get laid off, all types 981 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,440 Speaker 1: of ship is going on, you know, like van cleeping 982 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: around for a thousand years. It's like girl, those who no, no, 983 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 1: everybody don't deserve a bracelet and it's okay, it's not 984 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: to have it. And there's it. I enjoy watching those YouTubers. 985 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: This is this is gonna sounds so shady. I'm not 986 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,399 Speaker 1: trying to be a bit. I'm just I'm a very 987 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: observant person. Um, and I like stuff like this because 988 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 1: I like to know what's going on. And I watched 989 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: this one, um, you know, like they all all of 990 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: the like black luxurytubers, they like like Matcha drinks and 991 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I was watching this one girl 992 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: and like she kept trying to like make herself like Matcha, 993 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: and it just cracked me up because I was like, girl, 994 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 1: you don't like and like she like trying to like 995 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 1: make the formula like she's like, oh if I do 996 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: it like this, and I do. Like it's like girls, 997 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: okay to not like Matcha. You know That's what I'm saying. 998 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,680 Speaker 1: It's just like the is the Black Girl luxury packaged, 999 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,319 Speaker 1: Like you gotta like this, you guys just like, no, 1000 00:53:54,600 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: you don't, girl, Matta's disgusting. It's okay. I first, I've 1001 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: been drinking Watch for years, and I love Macha because 1002 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't really like coffee and it gives me that caffeine, 1003 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,160 Speaker 1: but it really doesn't taste that like you have to 1004 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 1: like the taske you can make it acquire taste. It's 1005 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: an acquire taste. And just watching her trying to force 1006 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: herself to like it me like I was cracking up. 1007 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,280 Speaker 1: So what do you think is next? After Instagram batties? 1008 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I think we're gonna go into step for Wife, 1009 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 1: like very robotic style, like really yeah, I think we're 1010 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,560 Speaker 1: going back to like Susie Homemaker and this is why 1011 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,240 Speaker 1: because I heard it first. Yeah, I heard it first. 1012 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: If some people may not agree with me, the stick 1013 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,240 Speaker 1: with me, stick with me, stick with me. I think 1014 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: that because the luxury movement is tied very heavily into 1015 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: like this black women femininity movement. I'm gonna do an 1016 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 1: episode on that. Very touchy, especially after the death of 1017 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: Kevin Sanders. I'm like, do I really want to do 1018 00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: I want to do it so bad I'm gonna do it. 1019 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 1: But um, I think the luxury movement is tied into 1020 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,160 Speaker 1: the femininity movement, and then you have other like many 1021 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,800 Speaker 1: movements like clean girl aesthetic and like you got soft 1022 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: life and all this stuff that is like hyper feminine, um, 1023 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: which there's no issue with. But I think that we're 1024 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: going towards this like very robotic kind of style where 1025 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,399 Speaker 1: everyone kind of is going to look the same kind 1026 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,919 Speaker 1: of already starting that, but I think we might take 1027 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: it as people might start with I don't know if 1028 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna be wearing Lane Brightman ship, but like it's 1029 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: definitely it's getting conservative and out around this other it is. 1030 00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: It's getting a little conservative. People are getting like a 1031 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,799 Speaker 1: little less edgy. Um, So I think we might like 1032 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: kind of get hyper into like that way. Well you 1033 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: already see it when a lot of people starting to 1034 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 1: do to remove their butts and their breast and stuff 1035 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,560 Speaker 1: like now it's back to natural bodies and have them 1036 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: that concernative look or that the stand with the standard 1037 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: beauty used to be right absolutely, Like you see people 1038 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: kind of minimalizing their style, their homes, everything. People are 1039 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of like being also with beauty trends, um clean makeup, Okay, 1040 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,359 Speaker 1: you like all of that stuff is becoming like less. 1041 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,879 Speaker 1: It's more it's kind of the thing right now, and 1042 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,840 Speaker 1: we're just cooking super super minimalists. And because it's so popular, 1043 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,080 Speaker 1: I can kind of see people going even further, like 1044 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: leaning into that very far because it's you still we've 1045 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 1: still got a lot of edgy people. But I'm I'm 1046 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: just sending that the trend is gonna shift a little bit. 1047 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,759 Speaker 1: Everyone is kind of cleaning up their acts for lack 1048 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: of a better phrase. And you also just made me 1049 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,280 Speaker 1: remember something. I look key, don't like that soft life movement. 1050 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,359 Speaker 1: Oh that ship gets on my nerves. Somebody was like, 1051 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,480 Speaker 1: I see you you you yourself, like get a bit. 1052 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all, if she only knew. I really hate 1053 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,320 Speaker 1: that term soft, like, like what the fund is the 1054 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: soft Life's If I see someone post that to me 1055 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: again in my soft girl era or my soft I'm like, okay, y'all, Like, 1056 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 1: but you know what, I will say, I see why 1057 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 1: Black women are kind of drawn to this kind of 1058 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,800 Speaker 1: thing because I think that people in pop culture people 1059 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: spent so much time like kind of making Black women 1060 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 1: seem so masculine, and we kind of had that, honest, 1061 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,959 Speaker 1: And I think that is what and I'm gonna say 1062 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,000 Speaker 1: this on my episode of about the Black femininity movement. 1063 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,480 Speaker 1: I think so many Black women have fallen into like 1064 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: the Red Pills ship with Kevin Samuels and like all 1065 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 1: of those influencers, because I think Black women have been 1066 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: made to not feel feminine, um. Sure, so now we're 1067 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: kind of like chasing that feeling and we want that feeling, um. 1068 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: And people are telling us, you know, you're not gonna 1069 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: get married unless you're like this, look at a certain 1070 00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: way after a certain way, and I think black women 1071 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 1: have kind have been robbed of that. So I see 1072 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 1: why women are attracted to that movement. I do feel 1073 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: like people are praying on Black women in that movement 1074 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: um and praying on black women's and securities, which isn't cool, 1075 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,040 Speaker 1: But I do see why black women like, I'm a 1076 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: little sick of it. Yeah, I'm I'm sick of it. 1077 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: I just can't wait to see the day where like 1078 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: black women just don't give a fuck, like just be 1079 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: who you want to be, because I'm just so tired 1080 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: of all these fucking turns, because it's like, what, so 1081 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 1: my life is not good enough because it's not soft, 1082 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: like what the fund is soft? Me? Right? And I 1083 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 1: get it. I think you made a good point because 1084 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,400 Speaker 1: unfortunately we don't have the luxury of a lot of 1085 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: counterparts to live a certain life or to just be 1086 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: because that's just how society is. But it's just it 1087 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 1: really gets on my fucking nerves. Yeah, yeah, I think 1088 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,000 Speaker 1: I feel a little outside of that, Like some of 1089 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,120 Speaker 1: the things about certain movements I like, and that's just 1090 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: because I'm just like kind of slowing my life down 1091 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, Like I could just as be wanting 1092 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:06,160 Speaker 1: to chill these days. Me too, And I I like 1093 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: aspects of it, don't get me wrong, but a lot 1094 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 1: of it I'm just like, oh my god, like y'all 1095 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: are exhausting with yes, but yeah, much of that like 1096 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,320 Speaker 1: you get on Twitter and if they're not talking about 1097 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 1: two hundred dollar dates, they're talking about girls that don't clean. 1098 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 1: It's just like everybody get a job, like, yeah, just 1099 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,880 Speaker 1: mind a bit that pays you child. Yeah, it's so, 1100 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,680 Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's a lot. The Internet is just 1101 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 1: a hodgepodge of like the same topics being regurgitated. It's 1102 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: just it's just like where is the originality? Like I 1103 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: feel like, and that's why I respect people like you 1104 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: my stuff who really created our own lads who were 1105 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,000 Speaker 1: talking about a variety of ship Like I feel like 1106 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,560 Speaker 1: people talk about the same things over and over again. 1107 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's another reason why it's just grind 1108 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: my gears, because like, what are we talking about her? Like, 1109 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: I don't care who brings what to the tables most 1110 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: me not a table right exactly. And it's just such 1111 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: a weird way to categorize people and just everything like 1112 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,439 Speaker 1: they took something out of proportion on Twitter. Some girl 1113 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,000 Speaker 1: on TikTok. I really hate when people bring people's content 1114 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: from TikTok over the Twitter. I personally don't think that's fair, 1115 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: um because it loses context, like when someone just repost 1116 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,640 Speaker 1: your content and like question on a platform that you 1117 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,680 Speaker 1: didn't even post yourself on. But anyway, um, some girl 1118 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,720 Speaker 1: was saying on there, you know, she's trying to learn 1119 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,680 Speaker 1: to love her natural hair, has sportsy hair. I don't 1120 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 1: know if you saw this video, but I know what 1121 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,160 Speaker 1: she's talking about, but I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, 1122 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: she was just saying, you know, she was trying to 1123 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 1: love her forsy hair. And she made a comment about 1124 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: like only white men hit on her when her hair 1125 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: looks like a certain way, and they dread they took 1126 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: that one comment. The video wasn't even about that about 1127 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,720 Speaker 1: her loving her hair, and like someone, they made so 1128 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,920 Speaker 1: many think pieces on it, and someone even went as 1129 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 1: far to like make a dating profile on a website 1130 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,880 Speaker 1: for her to see who was attractor. Like it's just like, 1131 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,640 Speaker 1: come on, y'all, yea, I wish I had that amount 1132 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 1: of time. I like this. Yeah, y'all the men on 1133 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: earth are down here podcast and making dating profiles. Like 1134 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: everybody need to go back to work, okay, like this 1135 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,640 Speaker 1: is I can't. I can't. I also feel like female 1136 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,480 Speaker 1: rappers are now The new video of Vixen's do you 1137 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,640 Speaker 1: agree with that? I think that a lot of the 1138 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: female rappers right now, they they have a stick right 1139 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,480 Speaker 1: now and a lot of it is kind of similar. 1140 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: But I enjoyed them all. I like them all, but like, 1141 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 1: for the most part, I like them all, but I 1142 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 1: do think they have a stick that is very similar. 1143 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,920 Speaker 1: And they're like all using a certain formula right now, 1144 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,520 Speaker 1: and I can see how it's remitted to the video. 1145 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 1: If you don't want to say, I say it for 1146 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: you are definitely using the Nicki Minaj. Yes, they are 1147 01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,200 Speaker 1: so funny because I was I love Nicki Mina and 1148 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: obviously I grew up on Little Kim too. And you know, 1149 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody has done when Nikki has 1150 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 1: done and are enduring this era rap music right And 1151 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: but I was also thinking to myself, it was a 1152 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and I'm like, yo, why do 1153 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,640 Speaker 1: all these bitches look like like I get it that 1154 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 1: sex cell and you know all that talk about my 1155 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: plussy this and all the other stuff. It's like everybody 1156 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: had the big asses, everybody had the titties, the wigs, 1157 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And when she did an interview 1158 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 1: on somebody's platform, and they asked her like, do you 1159 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 1: feel like you're the reason why female rappers are the 1160 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 1: way they are? And when she said yeah, and I'm like, yo, 1161 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 1: that's a fact. Like it's just so crazy how you are. 1162 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,280 Speaker 1: It's a gift and the curse. Yeah, you know what 1163 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,840 Speaker 1: I think about that. I always debate with my friends 1164 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,320 Speaker 1: about this. Some people may not like that I'm saying this, 1165 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: but I'll say it now. I'm twenty nine years old 1166 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and I have always known a little bit more than 1167 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,240 Speaker 1: I should have. I've always been very hyperactive in hip 1168 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: hop culture, and so I feel like I can definitely 1169 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 1: speak on this. If you are younger than me and 1170 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: you're a rapper, you are in directly influenced by Nicki 1171 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 1: Minaj because no one younger than me. And I've seen 1172 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,080 Speaker 1: some of the rap girls try to say this, like 1173 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,800 Speaker 1: when they didn't like now my my bar partist coming out. 1174 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but have you trying to get the covered 1175 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,320 Speaker 1: on the podcast? But um, if you're I've seen some 1176 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,080 Speaker 1: of the other girls say they were inspired by Little Kim. 1177 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,680 Speaker 1: I love Little Kim too, but I'm like the first 1178 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: at twenty nine, the first album I remember her coming 1179 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,960 Speaker 1: out with that. I actually remember the rollout for was 1180 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,240 Speaker 1: The Notorious k I Am and I think that was 1181 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,120 Speaker 1: nineties six or I gotta yeah, I gotta see what 1182 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,560 Speaker 1: your that album came out, and I'm like, if that's 1183 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,920 Speaker 1: the first album that I remember the rollout for and 1184 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine, I know somebody twenty five is not 1185 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,920 Speaker 1: influenced by Little Kim, right, It's just not possible, Like 1186 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: it's just not possible. Oh, it actually came out on 1187 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,240 Speaker 1: my two thousands, So yeah, that's the first Little the 1188 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,400 Speaker 1: first Little Kim album that I remember the rollout for 1189 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,480 Speaker 1: when I could actively know the song right then, like 1190 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,040 Speaker 1: hearing somebody else play them. Um. So I'm just like 1191 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,240 Speaker 1: when they say they're influenced by Little Kim, to me 1192 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,400 Speaker 1: their line, because it's not. It's just way. Yeah, there's 1193 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,600 Speaker 1: no way, because by the time they came of age, well, 1194 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Kim was already kind of on her like she was 1195 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:30,560 Speaker 1: on the decline by that time. That's respectfully, yeah, respectfully, 1196 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 1: it's just that she was already on the decline. Unless 1197 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,040 Speaker 1: they're talking about the um, what was her album after 1198 01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,000 Speaker 1: she got out of jail, The Hard Truth? No, oh, 1199 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about it was Notorious Kim. It was yeah, 1200 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 1: because there's Notorious Kim. Then it's the one where the 1201 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:54,880 Speaker 1: upclod it's her mafia, the Naked the Truth, the Naked Truth. 1202 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,320 Speaker 1: That now that I'll be like, yeah, yeah, you might 1203 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: remember that because that was after she got out of jail, 1204 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 1: so maybe that one, but not she didn't stay. She 1205 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,919 Speaker 1: was already on the Deacon after that album, so like, 1206 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: there's no way that she influenced who you are today. 1207 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj is the only like wrap female these girls know. 1208 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: If you're like twenty five, that is who you know. 1209 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:27,080 Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj. Fact, like I love you kill. Just the 1210 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 1: impact she had with the bangs, the freaking, the hair, everything, 1211 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,840 Speaker 1: the chains, like she was happy thing. She just got 1212 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:42,280 Speaker 1: Barbie tattoos that she influenced. So many like like her. 1213 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: Her influence is crazy and it's it's really wild to 1214 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,840 Speaker 1: try to hear people just spread at her. Now. I 1215 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,680 Speaker 1: think it's kind of cool to like her again since 1216 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,040 Speaker 1: people are giving her in FLA. But that NICKI Hate 1217 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Training team. That man, she said, people one or two 1218 01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,640 Speaker 1: bitches to come from me when I have corporations trying 1219 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:04,760 Speaker 1: to kill man, Oh my god, you know I Chah, 1220 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,080 Speaker 1: we didn't made this about Nikki, but I will say 1221 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,640 Speaker 1: that I am happy to see her in this space 1222 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,800 Speaker 1: because I do feel like that hay train was getting 1223 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,840 Speaker 1: to her, and um, I'm happy to see I'm I 1224 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: can't wait to see this new part of her journey. 1225 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 1: And I hope that we you know, I kind of 1226 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,120 Speaker 1: like when artists don't let us in on certain aspects 1227 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,880 Speaker 1: of their life because I do feel like something to 1228 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,919 Speaker 1: be kept private. But I would like to see more. 1229 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,800 Speaker 1: I would like to hear more about Nikki and the 1230 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: things that she's been through during that time, because I 1231 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,680 Speaker 1: feel like there's so much that we don't know about her, 1232 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,480 Speaker 1: especially now being a wife and a mother and like 1233 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,680 Speaker 1: all these other great things. So I'm happy for her. Yeah, 1234 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's a really good point you made. 1235 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,000 Speaker 1: It's an interesting point because when you said that, I 1236 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,760 Speaker 1: thought about it. I'm like, yeah, I think he's kind 1237 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,440 Speaker 1: of from that era where like celebrites didn't talk to 1238 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: us like that, and now we play with that because 1239 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,840 Speaker 1: be honestly, don't talk to you. So I talk to 1240 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people. We don't know ship about what's 1241 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: going on. We don't know nothing that's going on and 1242 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Beyonce and jay Z's phone, like unless they want to 1243 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,360 Speaker 1: put it in the album and tell us, you know, 1244 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,000 Speaker 1: like we don't know, but new people we know all 1245 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,800 Speaker 1: their business, you know, TikTok, which is fun and I 1246 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,440 Speaker 1: like that too because it's like relatable. But we know 1247 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,560 Speaker 1: so much more about the new artists. So it would 1248 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,080 Speaker 1: be nice to kind of see more of Nikki. I 1249 01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,080 Speaker 1: would love to know like how she felt in seventeen, 1250 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,640 Speaker 1: how that made her feel, how she you know, came 1251 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,960 Speaker 1: back from that. It would be nice to right, I 1252 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: missed Cream Radio man. Queen Radio was iconic, y'all mumbling 1253 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:47,480 Speaker 1: in capital. I still say that every day, like she's like, 1254 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,000 Speaker 1: how this like golf? She was? It was so much fun. 1255 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I appreciate you. Oh this was such 1256 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,920 Speaker 1: an amazing episode. Um, I feel like you're playing for 1257 01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,600 Speaker 1: been so important because it is a reminder that black 1258 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,400 Speaker 1: women are the Alpha and the omega and every fucking 1259 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,200 Speaker 1: thing that is planet. So I appreciate you. And to 1260 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 1: my listeners, if you're having any questions coming to concerns, 1261 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,400 Speaker 1: please make sure to email me and hello at the 1262 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,840 Speaker 1: PSD podcast dot com and my guest's anonymous as well. 1263 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,960 Speaker 1: On her page, so please make sure to follow her 1264 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:25,479 Speaker 1: at the Vixen Memoirs Everywhere, right, Yes, the Vixen memois 1265 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,920 Speaker 1: that everywhere. You can find my podcast um on all 1266 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,479 Speaker 1: podcasts platforms your search. Vixon, Black Beauty and Pop Culture. 1267 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. This was so 1268 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,240 Speaker 1: much fun. It's like the best thing you have ever done. Okay, 1269 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 1: So I always a vibe that the PhD okay, and 1270 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,839 Speaker 1: I listen to her episode because she did the episode 1271 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,160 Speaker 1: on Betty Booth. And I've been telling y'all or I 1272 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,760 Speaker 1: don't know if I've been telling y'all. I've been telling 1273 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,640 Speaker 1: people baby boot was inspired by a black woman. The 1274 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: blueprint we what we've given the culture is crazy. Well, 1275 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: we're given the culture. Hast been riding O back since 1276 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 1: they one child and unil next time. Everyone later, Bye 1277 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:05,240 Speaker 1: m