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Speaker 1: is up Straight Fire? Faan, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 1: Fire for Tuesday, December fifth. I don't know if what

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Speaker 1: I watched on Monday night football was good football, crazy football,

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Speaker 1: bad football, exciting. I don't even know how to describe it.

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Speaker 1: I was at an event with some members of our

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what's wrong with the Jags defense? And then

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Speaker 1: I'm like, is Jake Browning actually good? And then of

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Speaker 1: course the Trevor Lawrence injury is just debilitating. And now

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Speaker 1: the early word is it's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: He's smiling in the locker room afterward last night, settled down.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, folks, when you see a superstar

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Speaker 1: bent backwards, then his body bent over the ankle, and

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Speaker 1: then he chucks his helmet because he couldn't stand up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's bad. And the quarterback injuries continue to

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Speaker 1: pile up, but this is crazy. I'm just gonna dive

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Speaker 1: right in, and yes, I will address the Jets and

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Speaker 1: the Zach Wilson Report shortly just be patient. So I

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Speaker 1: had somebody text me that after the Bengals were able

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Speaker 1: to pull off the victory. You know, everybody wrote the

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Speaker 1: Bengals a Burrow's done season over. They looked bad against

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, and then they pull off this miracle win

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville as ten point underdogs. Remember they were eight

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Speaker 1: and a half point dogs. It moved up to ten. Okay,

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Speaker 1: of course I lost it in the contest. Just awful.

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Speaker 1: And they're in the game the entire time. Jake Browning

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Speaker 1: looked more than competent. A smart person text me, heyja,

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Speaker 1: look at the Bengals schedule the rest of the way,

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, why just look at it? Okay? Next

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Speaker 1: up they are facing Gardner Minshew backup quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts in Sincy. Then they face oh, another backup quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Josh Stobbs. It's in Cincinnati. And then they go to

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Speaker 1: they're at Patrick Mahomes. We can write that one off

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Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve, and then they are home against

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Speaker 1: Cleveland and Joe Flacco dtr I don't know a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Either way, It's like, holy cow, the Bengals left for

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Speaker 1: dead after Burrow got hurt and they lost to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: right that Thursday night football game.

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Speaker 2: It was over.

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Speaker 1: Season was done all of a sudden now with Kenny

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Speaker 1: Pickett going down, with Jake Browning showing metal, showing resilience, like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, is there something here? Four of their

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Speaker 1: final five games are against backup quarterbacks. Why couldn't they say,

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Speaker 1: win three more, get to nine to eight and get

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Speaker 1: to the plays. This is the sad state of affairs.

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Speaker 1: This is what injuries have done to us. Injuries are

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Speaker 1: robbing us of what it should have been an incredible

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Speaker 1: playoffs in the AFC. Currently quarterbacks out for the season,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins, Daniel Jones who's not great, Anthony

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Speaker 1: for the season but also injured, Kenny Pickett, and we

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Speaker 1: shall see with Trevor Lawrence. I mean, this is just

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Speaker 1: the NFL keeps getting crazier. This was the kind of

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Speaker 1: game where I had to text Cowherd last night. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand the NFL. I don't understand how

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville knowing that home field advantage is there for the

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Speaker 1: taking right. One of my favorite speeches that I like

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Speaker 1: to give kids before youth sports games is if you've

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Speaker 1: seen the movie Troy, where Brad Pitt is Achilles. It's

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Speaker 1: actually a great movie. I'm not even kidding, it's excellent.

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Speaker 1: And he has this speech when they're storming the beach

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Speaker 1: and he's like, we are lions, and then he says,

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Speaker 1: immortality is yours. Take it and they storm the beach

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Speaker 1: and kill fifty million guys, and of course Achilles is

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Speaker 1: just utterly dominant. Go look the scene up on YouTube. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. And it's like, the Jags go get the

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Speaker 1: number one seed. Host all the playoff games Baltimore. We'll

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Speaker 1: see the Chiefs are reeling. You're facing a backup a

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Speaker 1: you got a backup quarterback in Joe Flacco and you

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Speaker 1: still have Baker Mayfield and Bryce Young and Will Levis.

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Speaker 2: And this is what they do.

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Speaker 1: Just an epic bedshitting by the Jacksonville Jaguars, Just Rob,

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Speaker 1: I don't even really know how to put into words

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Speaker 1: how bad the defense was. But Jake Browning was hopeless

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Speaker 1: last week against Pittsburgh. Okay, whatever game plan they installed,

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Speaker 1: they just were like, he can't deliver it. Jake Browning

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Speaker 1: reassess some things. Just consider this. The Bengals had twenty

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Speaker 1: seven first downs, eight for fourteen on third almost five

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Speaker 1: to Jake Browning. Like, do you remember, Rob, when Matt

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Speaker 1: and paid him, and then Russell Wilson beat him out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this was that performance from Jake Browning,

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Speaker 1: but it's sures Hell felt like it. I don't. It

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Speaker 1: felt like an out of body experience. I watched this

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Speaker 1: He was a good college quarterback. He comes to the

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Speaker 1: pros and in often garbage time, it was like, he.

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Speaker 2: Can't make the throws.

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Speaker 1: This guy doesn't have that live arm. I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: And Rob, he came out and made me look like

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Speaker 1: a fool tonight, a damn fool.

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Speaker 2: Jason, don't take it too hard, all right, because up

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Speaker 2: until three weeks ago, Jake Browning had never completed an

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Speaker 2: NFL pass, and he is twenty seven years old, so

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Speaker 2: he's been around for a hot second. But I think

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Speaker 2: Troy Aikman said it best when he said late in

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Speaker 2: the broadcast, because Joe Buck's talking about while he's having

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Speaker 2: a great night, this is a great knight for a

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Speaker 2: game for a guy like him, and Troy Aikman says

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Speaker 2: something to the effect of, you could play in the

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Speaker 2: NFL for a decade and not have the kind of

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Speaker 2: night that Jake Browning is having. Just to put into

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Speaker 2: context how good he was. According to ESPN Next Gen Stats,

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Speaker 2: Jake Browning, excluding two throwaways, had more passes dropped two

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Speaker 2: than true in completions one. Okay, he is now, according

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Speaker 2: to Pro Football Reference, the tenth player in the Super

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Speaker 2: the names that he's going to be etched in history,

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Speaker 2: alongside Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 2: Rich Gannon, Chris Chandler, Johnny Unitas, Vinnie Testaverdi. Now there's

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Speaker 2: add Jake Browning to that list of what like five

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Speaker 2: or six Hall of Fame level quarterbacks. Jake Browning single

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Speaker 2: handedly made me rethink whether or not which you think

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Speaker 2: Washington series in the College Football Playoff coming up in

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Speaker 2: a month, because he did something that I don't think

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Speaker 2: most guys in the NFL can do like it's one

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Speaker 2: Guys throw for eighty percent completions. You see that, you know,

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Speaker 2: against the team that's actually playing for something and a

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Speaker 2: defense in Jacksonville that isn't bad. Like I know, they

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Speaker 2: didn't play like it last night, but they are one

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Speaker 2: of the top half of the NFL level defense. And

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Speaker 2: so for Jake Brownie to do that on that stage

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Speaker 2: on prime time with the whole world watching, Shout out

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Speaker 2: to Jake Browning, Shout out to University of Washington.

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Speaker 1: AFC playoff picture is a hot mess. It's it is

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Speaker 1: not pretty, and you know, nobody wants to see Jig

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Speaker 1: a bad, unwatchable playoff game. And that's what happens sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I would have ever heard the words

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Speaker 2: a reprieve. He has a hangout in the shadows. He

427
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: gets the Denver gig mostly on the heels of that

428
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: happened in Green Bay. Again, he did not call the

429
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: place thirty second now with the Jets thirtieth. Like again,

430
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a nice guy, but history says he's

431
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: not a good offensive coordinator. He doesn't know how to

432
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: call plays. He doesn't understand, or maybe he does understand,

433
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: it's just it's not working out for him. Like his

434
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: his concepts seem very rudimentary. They seem like they're tailored,

435
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: at least this specific Jets situation Taylor to a guy

436
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: who's not there, which is Aaron Rodgers. Everything that they've

437
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: run is geared to things that Aaron Rodgers likes. The

438
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: problem is none of the other guys in your roster

439
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: are even close to Aaron Rodgers, even at this, you know,

440
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: advanced age in his career. And as far as Zach

441
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: Wilson goes, what's funny, I don't even know if you

442
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: know this, but Joe Benigno, I think he's a long

443
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: time Yeah, longtime guy in New York. He does a

444
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: podcast now and he went viral a little bit because

445
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: he did an interview with the fan in Tiki Barber

446
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: and he says that he was exchanging text messages with

447
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: Robert Salah and he tells the guys, you know, I

448
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: don't think sala like Zach Wilson. And he explains why,

449
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: and he said, I sent him this long and I said,

450
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 2: here's the sixth things you can do to get back

451
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: on track, and he lists them all out. Number three

452
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: says you got to go back to Zach Wilson, and

453
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: according to him, Solid text him back and says, Joe

454
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Speaker 2: about number three. Are you kidding me? So again, I

455
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: don't know if I believe this guy. I only know

456
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: of him. I don't know him. But the way that,

457
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: the way that, the way that Salah has handled Zach

458
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: Wilson going back to last season, it wouldn't surprise me

459
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 2: if he has some kind of issue with him, like personally,

460
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if well, person is the right word,

461
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: but he doesn't trust him as a quarterback. The way

462
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: he's yo yoed him back and forth. I think he

463
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: knows that he kind of broke this kid, you know,

464
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: last fall. And to your point, I understand why Zack

465
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: Wilson would be apprehensive about getting back out there. He

466
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: became America's punching bag for two and a half months,

467
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: and as we've seen, he wasn't the only problem there

468
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: in New York. So if you're him, if you're Zach Wilson,

469
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: you have any hopes of becoming a you know, gon

470
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Speaker 2: an NFL roster next season and moving forward, I could

471
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: understand where you don't want to put more bad tape

472
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: out there for the rest of America to see. I

473
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 1: HM, So you said something interesting there. Do you do

475
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Speaker 1: you think sala doesn't like Zach Wilson.

476
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: As a person, I don't know, but as far as

477
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: a quarterback, I'm almost positive he doesn't like him.

478
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: So Sala is like a tough guy, right, defensive guy.

479
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: He's pretty jacked, he's got the ball. He just looks

480
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of tough and imposing, like, you know, tough. He's

481
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: a tough guy. Zack Wilson is a coddled rich kid

482
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: who you know, looks like he could be an Abercrombie

483
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: model or something. And you know there's the rumors about,

484
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: you know, the women he hooked up with previously, and

485
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: like he's he doesn't come off as like a football player, right,

486
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson. I think we've talked about this. He

487
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: could walk away tomorrow and probably be an executive somewhere

488
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: making a lot of money and you know, being the

489
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: face of a company and doing like he just seems

490
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: like he's one of those guys born on third base,

491
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: with winning smile, nice head of hair. He just looks

492
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: like an all American boy who's gonna do well in

493
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: this world, right, and he's got backed by a lot

494
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: of money. And I'm not saying he's not tough, but

495
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: that type of guy historically I'm judging and that's not right.

496
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: But they're not like they haven't had adversity, they haven't

497
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: had to overcome a ton. Yeah, Zach Wilson's had some injuries.

498
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: Is that to overcome?

499
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: But like, you know, I'm talking like real life stuff, right,

500
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: And I just I don't know that he's dealt with

501
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: enough adversity to be tough and have those chops and

502
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: like the way he melted and pushed back last year

503
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: when he got bench, Remember he was just like really

504
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: standoffish about it, like, no, come on.

505
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: Did you let the did you feel like he let

506
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: the defense down?

507
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, no, They're like that's not what that's

508
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: not what you would do. And you're I think you're

509
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: probably right when you said that. It clicked, and I'm like,

510
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, I bet that's right. I bet. Robert Sollach

511
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: just like is out on this guy. He's like, I'm not,

512
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm not. I get I've worked my butt off to

513
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: get where I am and I don't want my one

514
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a head coach flushed on Zach Wilson.

515
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: You know, so I'm probably with you on that that

516
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: Salah doesn't really like him here's the worst thing, Rob,

517
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: Like this is just embarrassing, Like the franchise is an embarrassment.

518
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: That's what they are, It's what they have been. They're

519
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: a laughing stock, like this whole Aaron Rodgerson, Man, you

520
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: know what when Rogers, when when I was pumping up

521
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in the Jets, I was like, man, that

522
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: that can happen. We can get Lamar, this would work.

523
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: He's younger. We got to get Lamar. And then they

524
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: got Rogers and I was like, all right, you know,

525
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want it, wasn't my first choice, but I'll

526
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: be behind it. And I was behind it. And then

527
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you get close to the season, You're all amped up.

528
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: There's hard knocks season, starting the vibes in Buffalo. It

529
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: all was like, man, this is good. Four plays in

530
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: up and smoke, and it's largely been a train wreck

531
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: since then. And the worst part is, Rob, I don't

532
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: think there's any end in sight here, Like Rogers obviously

533
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: isn't playing this year, but like, what are we doing

534
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: next year? What are we doing to fix the offensive line?

535
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: What's the game plan? Who's still gonna be here? It's

536
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: just it's just can you hear that. There's just the

537
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: sadness of my voice, like at least the raider. You

538
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: guys fired your coach, right, you don't know if.

539
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: We have some optimism, Yeah, we have some optimism.

540
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is getting a chance, right,

541
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: you'll see, Yeah, you're like, whatever happens, well, we'll figure

542
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: it out.

543
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Right, we'll write it out. But you know what's funny

544
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: is you mentioned like, what's gonna happen next year. The

545
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: Athletic actually reported last week that all signs point to everybody, coaches,

546
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: front office all coming back next season because it's viewed

547
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: in their eyes as of ownership that this was a

548
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: mulligan season, that everything is hinging on Aaron Rodgers. That

549
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers is there, Nathaniel Hackett looks better, Robert

550
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Todder looks better, Joe Douglas looks better, all of these

551
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: guys work out if Aaron Rodgers is back, I don't

552
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: think that's Do you feel that way? Do you feel

553
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: like if Aaron Rodgers is back and they just run

554
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: it back with the same team next season, you know,

555
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: obviously try to upgrade the offensive line where you can,

556
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: But do you think he is the magic elixir that's

557
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: gonna ale you know, fix it or rails them because

558
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't well.

559
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: So I went to Pro Football Focus and I looked

560
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: at the Jets offensive line, which crumbled against Buffalo like

561
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: five minutes into the season right and has continued to crumble.

562
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: I saw something like, they've had fifteen different offensive linemen

563
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: play this season, and they've had like nine different starting

564
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: offensive lines. It's just not good. There's no ends in

565
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: sight to that. Rob like they've got to make a

566
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: decision on Mackai Beckton, Dwayne Brown, who who's thirty seven.

567
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: That ship has sailed. I mean, you look at the defense,

568
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: it's green everywhere, blue and green, like all guys who

569
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: are playing great, top twenty five at their position, so

570
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: much goodness on this Defensequinnon Williams at the number two

571
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the league, by the way, he had

572
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: the safety or was largely credited with it. Then you

573
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: go to the offensive line, it's like McKai Beckton fifty

574
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: six out of eighty three, Laken Tomlinson, who has been

575
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: good forty six of seventy six, Tipman the rookie who's

576
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: got some promise twenty eight of thirty nine. And then

577
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: the right tackle somebody named Warren. I don't know who

578
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the hell that is. And Schweitzer don't even have ranking

579
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: because they haven't played enough, but their orange meaning not good.

580
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Like there's just not any talent. You can't re unless

581
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: you're the Chiefs. You can't rebuild an offensive line in

582
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: one offseason, which is pretty much what the Chiefs did

583
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: right after.

584
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: The second after the Super Bowl. They you know, they

585
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: lost Tyreek Hill, but they added several offensive linemen. Isn't

586
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: Vera Tucker should be back next season? You'd think that

587
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: maybe by midseason mid season, I thought there was an achilles.

588
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to look it up, but I know

589
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: why didn't.

590
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: You get the Rogers treatment exactly?

591
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: See that thing?

592
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Max Mitchell has been horrific, like unplayable. You're right.

593
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Vera Tucker is their highest graded by far, but he's

594
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: on IR.

595
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: So let's spend this for Let's say that they're able somehow,

596
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: They're able to get a impact guy at right guard

597
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: or right tackle, whatever, they get a serviceable journeyman left tackle,

598
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: and they just run it back next season. Is Nathaniel

599
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: Hackett the guy that's going to guide that offense? Back

600
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: to mediocrity, at least they think they're gonna be a

601
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: good offense. Is a thirty nine, forty year old Aaron

602
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: Rodgers coming off an achilles tear, with the patchwork offensive

603
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: line and Nathaniel Hacket at the trigger? Is that is

604
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: that gonna get you ten wins next season?

605
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a legit question. But I guess the

606
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: only potential answer is who's calling the plays. This is

607
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: going to be like a Rogers situation where he runs

608
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: the offense and Nathaniel Hackett is in air quotes the

609
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: coordinator like in Green Bay. I don't. Maybe then I

610
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: guess there's some hope, But again, you're banking everything on

611
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: a forty year old off an achilles like or I

612
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: guess he'll be thirty nine and a.

613
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Half or whatever.

614
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not optimistic anyways, all right, another down

615
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Quarterbacks dropping like flies. Just pray for

616
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: good news on Trevor Lawrence. Remember Burrow when he left

617
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: with the wrist, it was like, Oh, he's hurt, he's out,

618
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: and then the next day was like out for the season.

619
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: Let's hope that's not the case with Trevor Lawrence because

620
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: if he's out for the season. Man, that's that would

621
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: just be brutal. All right, back tomorrow, we'll talk to

622
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: you then