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Speaker 1: All right, it is lip service. I'm Angela Yee, I'm

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Speaker 1: g G Maguire, Hey girl.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jazzmine brand Geordie George.

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Speaker 3: And I'm hey Kim.

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Speaker 1: How are you welcome to the show? Listen? I told

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Speaker 1: them earlier, I said, when Kim comes, I feel like

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Speaker 1: we need to get all kinds of advice from him.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, How do you feel about being in that position

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Speaker 1: now where we're looking to you like manifesting love okay,

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Speaker 1: and learning how to listen and take the signs and

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Speaker 1: open ourselves up to be able to feel like we

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Speaker 1: can trust you know, these are all things that we

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Speaker 1: have to learn.

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Speaker 2: We can manifest it.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying, Can you manifest? Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: a lot. Can you manifest it? Can you manifest? Do

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Speaker 3: you want to manifest it?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I think it's possible manifestation. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: say something and you want it so bad, not so bad,

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Speaker 1: but if you have to sometimes speak it out loud

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Speaker 1: and say this is what I want to try to

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Speaker 1: make it happen. And sometimes we're scared to admit what

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Speaker 1: we want to.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 3: Can you manifest it? You can manifest that which is

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Speaker 3: meant for you to have if it's in alignment with

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Speaker 3: what God has for you. Just because you speak something

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Speaker 3: out loud don't necessarily make it so if it's not

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Speaker 3: in alignment with what the truth is. Okay, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I want to be an NBA player.

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Speaker 3: I want to be a baller, right me saying me

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Speaker 3: speaking that out loud doesn't make it.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're talking about when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: love and you're talking about relationship, like for real, for real,

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Speaker 3: like out in the deep of love, you know it's

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Speaker 3: about it. Don't start with the other person, right, The

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Speaker 3: relationship is not just about the other person. The relationship

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Speaker 3: is really is in part, it's about the relationship that

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Speaker 3: you have with yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about we saw your love story and

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Speaker 1: how you met your wife and it was at a

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Speaker 1: meet and greet, yeah, in Atlanta at that point in

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Speaker 1: and we're not necessarily open to find that. What was

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Speaker 3: I wasn't when I met my wife, I wasn't looking.

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Speaker 3: And and I had come out of a dysfunctional relationship

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Speaker 3: that had gone on for a long time. And and

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Speaker 3: still have love for her, and she and she she

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Speaker 3: she got she changed and it forced me to change.

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Speaker 3: and I can go right and if you've read the book,

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Speaker 3: on about how serendipitous, how how divine it was, and

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Speaker 3: and I've never been the artist who's on stage like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: never I've never been never done that. I've never done.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't view you like that. I would be surprised

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Speaker 3: Sarity came and got me and we took a picture together,

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Speaker 1: It's wild.

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Speaker 3: It was New Year's Eve. I flew to I flew

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Speaker 1: Y'all must have been having some good conversations, was.

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Speaker 3: Having good you know, and I was just you know, savage.

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Speaker 3: I love it says, when the student is ready, the

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Speaker 3: teacher appears. You know, I was, I was. I was

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Speaker 3: So our first date was was New Year's Eve and

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Speaker 3: we just you know, and it was just bam bam.

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Speaker 2: How did you know that she was that she was

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Speaker 3: How did I know that she was the one?

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Speaker 3: I know that she's the one because I married her.

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Speaker 2: How did you know because I married her got it

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Speaker 3: I knew that I was going to enter into this

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Speaker 3: relationship without looking for an exit strategy? When I knew

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Speaker 3: when she we? I was at uh. We have seven

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Speaker 1: Yes, lord crazy.

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Speaker 3: And I was at the oldest daughter's birthday party in

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Speaker 3: she said she was on it. She was coming back

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Speaker 3: I said, okay. I said, okay, okay, you know, and

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Speaker 3: and at that moment, it was like, Okay, I'm all,

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Speaker 1: You know, it was like a movie where you like, well,

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Speaker 3: What you want to do? You know? It was received.

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Speaker 3: It was received with joy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know your oldest daughter's birthday party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, okay, and we're doing this then

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Speaker 3: then then I'm going to be all in. I'm not

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Speaker 3: I've been I was in the room when all of

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Speaker 3: And like, I wasn't doing that again. You know what

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Speaker 3: So when how how did I You know? I knew

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Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for a way out. You know what

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Speaker 3: it was that there's no.

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Speaker 1: There's no what's next? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Was there anything you had to unlearn from past relationships?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean there's you know, I could go

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Speaker 3: That means I gotta stay. I have to stay in

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Speaker 3: you have to stay in it. That was difficult for me,

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Speaker 3: right because up until that point is a single man.

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Speaker 3: You have to connect when it's hard. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And then throw kids into.

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Speaker 1: It, right, you know, having kids, Like, like you said,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and that's the same for everybody. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's the same for everybody, right, your first kid is

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Speaker 3: you know, that's that's the what's you know what I'm saying, Right,

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Speaker 3: mean I was in their lives, but they didn't live

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Speaker 4: I don't know about make yourself, but with time things

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Speaker 3: Right, but it's not if you are can you make

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Speaker 2: Them for all out of love, or stop loving?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you're together, you know how sometimes you

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Speaker 3: you don't have to stop loving them. You're not gonna stop.

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Speaker 3: You can still like my my past. You know, I

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Speaker 3: But we can't do relationship like this if we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Like make your you know, if you're just because

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Speaker 3: Is this really what it is? If? If me being

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Speaker 1: You gotta put yourself first.

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Speaker 3: Is this really? What? Is this really? What love is?

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Speaker 5: And I think there's a level of decision you can make.

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Speaker 3: Or if we're going to be the or or or Okay,

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't it was it was they were in transition,

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not tired. I'm going to continue to

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Speaker 1: And if you want to DJ, you have one at home.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It felt good to be in Detroit and and to

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Speaker 1: come on, Charon, let's go. She loves you so much.

435
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: But all of Detroit. Yes, when I watched the news

436
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: and I saw everybody doing a new dance, it was

437
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: like Cam's about to introduce a new dance. We got

438
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: to make sure we're ready for it. So that's just

439
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: it's got to feel good to have that hometown support always.

440
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely nothing happens, but I mean I'm not sitting here,

441
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: you know, without the love of Detroit. That first album,

442
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: Chemistry was built on the love the love of Detroit.

443
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: And that you hit the ground with that. That was

444
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: like grassroots, you know, just going door to door like barbershops.

445
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, remember C yeahmember C right, what a grind

446
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: that way.

447
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: But you know the thing is, it's like now is

448
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: an independent If that's how, if that's how my fans

449
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: they want, you want a CD, I'll give you a C.

450
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: I'll give you. I'll give you.

451
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: What you want.

452
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, listen.

453
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: So being that you met your wife at a you know,

454
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: I think me and greed, like you said, she wasn't

455
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: necessarily she you know, came to the concert. Has anybody

456
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: ever said anything crazy to you? Like people that came there,

457
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: women to try to you know, like I'm sure you've

458
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: heard crazy things before, what like what trying to shoot

459
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: their shot?

460
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like the crazy.

461
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: No, I don't really, you know, I mean I think

462
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: the most, you know, the most I get is like

463
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm uh, you're my.

464
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: Husband, Okay, you know you know, yeah, fans or not,

465
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: that's as crazy as a get. Yeah, like you know,

466
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: what about a stalker. You ever had stalkers?

467
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's now, that's that's not yeah, or people who

468
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: are just that. I don't know that she's uh, you know,

469
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: she's not you know, I probably shouldn't be given her

470
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: any like, but she's just not somebody who's following me

471
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: around with somebody who's who's digitally like a pro you

472
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: know what. I'm like, you gotta like this, like, you know,

473
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: you here see a lot of stuff like this right here, dude,

474
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: you got to yeah, right, keep your pistol on.

475
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: You definitely have somebody.

476
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: I've had some really awful around.

477
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

478
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: She I had somebody that was like posting my parents

479
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: and like it was in a coffin, like I'm going

480
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: to kill your parents, posting their addresses, you know everything.

481
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: I had to like get a restraining order to find

482
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: out who it was. And it's a hard process to

483
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: find out who it is online. You have to like

484
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: get the police, have to get an IP address. Yeah,

485
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: they have to do all of that. But in order

486
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: to even be able to get that, you know, they

487
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: have to get like a yeah, like a search warrant

488
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: or whatever to be able to pull that information. Yea,

489
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: And yeah, when I tell you I was stressed a lot. Yeah,

490
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: and especially you know, sometimes you can't even post where

491
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be because you don't want people to know

492
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: that you're not going to be at home and that

493
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 1: you're traveling. But then as a public person, you have

494
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: to post I'm going to be here, come and join me.

495
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: You know.

496
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: So social media definitely a gift and a curse. You know,

497
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: dms exist that we can slide into. Now, what do

498
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: you think about online dating? Not for you, but in general, Like,

499
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, people have different views of it, but I'm

500
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: just curious, like, what are your thoughts about if somebody was, like,

501
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find somebody, you think I should try

502
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: online dating?

503
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: I don't have a you know, I don't. Yeah, I

504
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 3: don't have an opinion on it really. I mean, if

505
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 3: you meet you up and that's how, if that's how

506
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: you meet your person and it's working for you, then

507
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: it's you know, then it's all good. You can meet

508
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 3: somebody anywhere.

509
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: Because you know, I had Jordan's send an invite to

510
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: one of my friends to dating site, and so it's

511
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: been interesting.

512
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 5: Has she gone on a date yet?

513
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: She said, there's like a lot of white guys on there,

514
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: ye and yeah, and she said it's very hard to

515
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: like date black guys on these sites for some reason.

516
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be real complicated for me. I mean

517
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: it's I mean, not not even as you know, I mean,

518
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: as you are. That's a lot. Like I mean, just

519
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 3: as a person on the outside looking in. It's like, dude,

520
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 3: that's that's a lot.

521
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just I mean, it's just me like

522
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: meeting someone in person, but virtually right, And.

523
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: I guess it's also you know, depending on I mean,

524
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: and you know, the younger, younger generation, it's a different

525
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's a different time, you know. I mean

526
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: these you know people today are you know, they're there

527
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: in their phones. You know, they live in their phone.

528
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: So I guess anything. I mean, you know, if you

529
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: meet somebody who's sends you a message on social media,

530
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: that's the same thing. Yeah, I mean mm hmm. You

531
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: just don't know who, I mean, how do you? I mean,

532
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: it's just too much, it's too much going on, man, how.

533
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: Do you know who's who?

534
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: And like what's what?

535
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: But you also don't know when you meet somebody in person, right, you.

536
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: Also don't know.

537
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 6: But at least you right, that's the person and you

538
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 6: can see if there's nobody anybody, I can see, right,

539
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 6: And I'm glad you said lie to me because you

540
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 6: know we love that song.

541
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: And is it ever okay in a relationship to lie?

542
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: Now?

543
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: On the way here, I was telling Jazmin, I was like,

544
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: I want my boyfriend to tell me that I'm getting

545
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: fat because she we were having this conversation.

546
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: Because someone, because someone I'm dating, said they don't want

547
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: me to get they don't really want me to gain weight.

548
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: And then we started talking about and.

549
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I wish my boyfriend would be like, Angela,

550
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: you are getting fat, like we have to do something

551
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: about that.

552
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: And I'm a palled that she wants something like want

553
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: somebody to say not somebody.

554
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: Man, right if you're talking about if you're talking about

555
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: and just because I don't think is it is it

556
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: okay to lie in your relationship? I would say no,

557
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: that don't mean that people don't do it, But you

558
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: got to be like you have to and not just

559
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: in relationship. Dude, you have to want to know the truth.

560
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: M hm. You have to know. I want to know

561
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: what I want to know what you think about me, do.

562
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: You want to know the truth at all times?

563
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: I want to know what I want to know. I

564
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: don't want to know. Okay, I don't want to know

565
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: the truth at all time, but I want to know.

566
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Looking crazy?

567
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: You're looking crazy if I ask.

568
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: You that, I want you to tell me the truth

569
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: right now.

570
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me.

571
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: I want to tell me.

572
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: I want to know.

573
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: This is somebody's talking about spending your life with in somebody,

574
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: this is your riot or dying, and they can't say

575
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: what they need to say to you. That's a problem.

576
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think he feels like that. I think

577
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: that he loves you the way you are like. I

578
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: think he's like.

579
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: And there's that then then and then.

580
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: You can say that, but be like since you sliding like.

581
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: But you can. But the thing is Ange is aware

582
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: when her body changes.

583
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you need him to tell you?

584
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: Because I think that that helped me motiv that was

585
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: my point happening. You know, critiques like let's just say

586
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: you did had an off night on stage, right, and

587
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: you know you're you ask your wife was it really bad?

588
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: And it was? But wouldn't you rather she be like, no, baby,

589
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: it was you know, it's not like what you know,

590
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: but it was, it was fine.

591
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: I want her to say if I well, here's the thing,

592
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: because if I have an off night, I know it's

593
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: all you're aware. And if you tell me that, you

594
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: tell me that it was okay, that's the problem because

595
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: I already know that it was. Don't even don't even

596
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: don't even say that to me.

597
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like what if you were like, well, did

598
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: anybody notice? And she knows people were like, kimo, what's

599
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: going on? But you don't want her to tell you

600
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: people like if people said that.

601
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's she's she's pulling my coldest you know,

602
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: and she'll ask me, you know, can I you know,

603
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: can I tell you something?

604
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: You know somebody somebody says that you.

605
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: Don't want to and you don't want to, I mean,

606
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: just because it's not uh can I tell you something?

607
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: We have to be able to say and receive the

608
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: hard things. Hmmm. I mean I think that's terrible but uncomfortable.

609
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: That's where the growth is.

610
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: That is I want to hear it doesn't But what

611
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: about this? Do you want to hear when you're wrong?

612
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Like because sometimes you vent to somebody and you just

613
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: want to vent. But do you want to hear well

614
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: you were wrong?

615
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: In Yeah, I can let I can let you. I

616
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: can let you vent. Do I want to hear that

617
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: I do I want to hear? Yeah? Do I want

618
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: to hear that I'm wrong?

619
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: No?

620
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, do I want to hear that

621
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm wrong? I? I would. I would like to think

622
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: that I want to hear what I'm wrong. But like

623
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: when you're in the if, I'm just in the heat

624
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: of a thing, Yes, that's you know, yeah, just let

625
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: me vent, Just let me vent. But I'm gonna have

626
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: to circle back. But I have to circle back around, right.

627
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: I think it's proper.

628
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: It's fine because I could be venting, like and I

629
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: know I'm wrong, but just like I know that I

630
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 3: know it's happening. I know that I got to come back.

631
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to come back

632
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: around and like and like deal with this. But like

633
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: in the moment, you know, it's just.

634
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now do you performed at your own wedding too?

635
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 7: Right?

636
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a Can you imagine how amazing that is?

637
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: She didn't know?

638
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that is so dope.

639
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: She thought it was going to be Ribbon in the Sky.

640
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: That's what was on though on the thing. But I sang,

641
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: sure in my life, how beautiful is that?

642
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: Are you nervous? You never know it could be.

643
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: That's with all your family and friends and her family

644
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: and friends and everybody right there.

645
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's special.

646
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: What can we expect as far as new music, you know,

647
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: we've heard give My Love, Give my Love.

648
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: Rock with Me is the next the next single. It's

649
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: actually it's dropping. I don't know what this is, but

650
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: it's dropping on on Friday. The next ballad, give my Love.

651
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: We was a digital stream and release Rock with Me.

652
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: We're swinging for.

653
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: The fences, okay, CEO, Yeah.

654
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: So we're you know, I'm really really excited about the

655
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: new music. I'm in a creative space doing a jazz

656
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: project later this year with Robert glasper.

657
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Uh that's amazing.

658
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: Pan tribute to uh. Well, you know Algiou was Algiero's

659
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: jazz singer, and he used to every time I saw him.

660
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: When I first came out, people compared me to Algiero,

661
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: and and over the years of doing shows, like I

662
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: would see him and we do shows together, and he'd

663
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: say he would always say we should do a song,

664
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: we should do an album together called Alchemy.

665
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 7: Okay, right, and so so this this and I and

666
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 7: one of my biggest musical regrets is that we never

667
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 7: got a chance to like work together.

668
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna do a project called.

669
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: Alchemy with It's a tribute to a few.

670
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: Algiro songs and some and some some jazz versions of

671
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: my catalog and some original music.

672
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: Too, whatever, whatever and whatever. So hearing is re recording things,

673
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: you know, right, isn't that logistically as far as like

674
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: being able to release stuff but rerecord it.

675
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a I think there's a They were telling

676
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: me there was a clause like I have to wait

677
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: a period of time before I re record, But I

678
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: don't know that I wor.

679
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter to you.

680
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, my catalog's making money, so it's right, are you

681
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: own your masters? Like now, I didn't sign a deal

682
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: where I owned my masters, but I still make money

683
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: on the masters, and going forward, I own the masters,

684
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: So it's you know, you know, I don't know that

685
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: I would.

686
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: You know, I mean people think about those things. Yeah,

687
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: so too, we see that because when you think about

688
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: how much money the label makes and then how much

689
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: money they make and you make in comparison. Sometimes it

690
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: feels like, let me just go on ahead and re

691
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: record this and tell people to stream this. So yeah,

692
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: but you can't.

693
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I get it, you know, I get it.

694
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 3: You know, but that's those you know, those records are

695
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: That's that's what it was. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

696
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: And I could re record it, you know, but if

697
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: I re record love calls, it ain't gonna do what

698
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: the original is doing, you know what I'm saying.

699
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: Okay, but if you did, it's.

700
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: Still I can still record and like I'll take I'll

701
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: take those checks.

702
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: But I can do it as a jazz version too, though,

703
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: you know That's what i'mane. Yeah you did a live Yeah, okay.

704
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: How important is money to you? Because I think about

705
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: what you've been through, you know, being in a dark

706
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: space and then being able to come out of that.

707
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: How do you what is your relationship with money?

708
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: Does it make you it doesn't make me work?

709
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: Does it make you feel like because some of us

710
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: come from a mindset of you don't know if it's

711
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: going to be gone, or it could make you do

712
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: the opposite and feel like it's not that important.

713
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: That's a lot. My relationship with money, it's a dance

714
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: because I will not I will not compromise. All money

715
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: ain't good money. I will not compromise my values just

716
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: to chase, just to get a check. I you know,

717
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't work for money. I work for

718
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And

719
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: money is a benefit that comes the other side of

720
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: that is no, it ain't never enough right, and whether

721
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: or not I can have, whether the bank account is

722
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: set or whether it's lean, it's always you know, anxiety

723
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: around it. But I've never not had enough. Okay, I

724
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: got more than I I've never not had enough. I've

725
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: never not right. It's always it's always been okay. It's

726
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 3: always been okay. You know. So my what I'm doing,

727
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 3: my job, it's not my my job is not is

728
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: not my source. You know, God is my It's my source.

729
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: You know. My job is to is to come out

730
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: here and create. And I'm always and I'm always taking

731
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: care of But it's a but it's a dance. It's

732
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: a dance. You know. I like nice things. I like

733
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 3: to spend money, I save money, I give money. It's definitely.

734
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 3: It's a dance, you know, and if somebody gets you know,

735
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: knows how to check all the boxes on that. And

736
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: I know there are a lot of books on it,

737
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of information on it, you know,

738
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: And I think and maybe and maybe the dance is

739
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: where you're supposed to be, right, Maybe the dance is

740
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: where you're supposed it's.

741
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: An ongoing relationship morph and change, and you know, you.

742
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: Need to pay attention. You know. It's like I'm afraid

743
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be homeless again. It's like, dude, you've been

744
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: making records for twenty three years. What are you talking about?

745
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: You know.

746
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: But a lot of us grow up with a scarcity

747
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: they call it like a scarcity mindset, yeah where it's

748
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: yeah where. Sometimes there's people who are literally like I

749
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: will not have a mortgage because I'm scared that something

750
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: could potentially happen, or we're always scared that we could

751
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: lose it all. And there's certain we might hold onto

752
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: things and not want to invest and not take a risk.

753
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: There's just different ways that we deal with money, and

754
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that is based on what we've learned

755
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 1: from our past experiences and from our parents. Too, because

756
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: sometimes our parents, you know, how they dealt with money

757
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: can be traumatizing for us too.

758
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a work in progress.

759
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: How did you decide that this was the time to

760
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: put out your memoir? Because I know that's never an

761
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: easy decision, and I know you know that was And

762
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: I know your mother and yourself had like great conversations

763
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: right for this to come out and for this to happen,

764
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: and she was supportive. But how did you know that

765
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: this was the time.

766
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: It was at the time that the memoir, at the book,

767
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: at the time the book came out was probably tw

768
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 3: years at Motown, you know. And it was a good

769
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know, And we had been I'd

770
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 3: been talking about my co author, David Ritz. I had

771
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: actually met him, like during the first album we were

772
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 3: I was out in LA with him talking about doing

773
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: doing a book. It's like, dude, you ain't you know,

774
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: you ain't done nothing yet, you know what I'm saying,

775
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 3: just got a story, but you Yeah, So twenty years

776
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: was a good you know, it was a it was

777
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: a good a good it was a good place I thought.

778
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: I think it was the exact right time, you know,

779
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: writing love songs for twenty years and not you know

780
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 3: and now and at that time like being married, being

781
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 3: in uh you know, being married, you know, good, it

782
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: was good perspective, It was it was the right the

783
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: right time for the first book.

784
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh first, there's going to be a second another one. Yeah,

785
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: this is a new chapter right now.

786
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: Story what I mean? Would you like to expand upon

787
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: what the second book is going to be on?

788
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you're you're still living it.

789
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I don't want to know.

790
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: You want to hear it.

791
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: And somebody does, Okay.

792
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: Was it scary for you to put that out?

793
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Not from the like I know my I know my

794
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: story and I know and I've done the work of

795
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: going through all that stuff and processing all that stuff.

796
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: I think the most uncomfortable thing about it was again

797
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: like I was telling other people's stories, right, you know,

798
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: and you know and I didn't and I still you know,

799
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: and I didn't know how and still don't know in

800
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: a lot of cases, like how it sits with certain people,

801
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, but it's what you have resonated's like, but dude,

802
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: but I told you know, but I told you truth.

803
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: I took the high road in doing it, Like yeah,

804
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: because you've been telling a lot about yourself lately. She

805
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: actually narrated and was one of the producers for the

806
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: Magic City docuseries on Stars. You think you're going to

807
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: do your book to write, Yes, I'm working on it. Okay,

808
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: I know you have been working out it's like what happened,

809
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: it's still being worked on. How do you decide, like

810
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: what to you know, because I'm sure there's things that

811
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: are interesting that you have to or that you choose

812
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: to leave out.

813
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we gotta protect the innocent parties, even

814
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: though they may have been a part of the story.

815
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: I do plan to tell a lot of the stories

816
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: without divulging.

817
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Who they're at actually about. Okay, maybe got to get

818
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: a name, yeah.

819
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: Because you know, for one, it's a secret society all

820
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: we access trust, and for two, I might be telling

821
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: my truth, but I don't want someone else's life and

822
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: or relationship to be affected by what happened years ago.

823
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: Okay in our past, right. You know, people always talk

824
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: about how the music business is such a crazy place,

825
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: but it feels like you've managed to avoid a lot

826
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, you know, and just kind of mind

827
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: your business.

828
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I had to, you know,

829
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: the the party side of my life early. You know,

830
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: I'm really I'm a square, you know, after parties like

831
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: also show, dude, I'm back at the whole, like you know,

832
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: a quiet life, you.

833
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Know, a great quiet life, quiet.

834
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: Life, you know, I don't, you know, don't I don't

835
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: need a whole lot of excitement, a whole lot of drama,

836
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: a whole lot of you know, I'm just I'm just

837
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: not there. It doesn't it doesn't like and when you change,

838
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 3: when you change that, when you change that, those things

839
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: don't even they're not It's like it's not even the

840
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: same vibration. It doesn't even come in the it doesn't

841
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: even come in the it's not even in my in

842
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: my sphere, the chaos is not you know, because I'm

843
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: not even I'm not even attracting that type of energy.

844
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm not even participating in that. And then if you are,

845
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: you coming to my presence, you know that that's you know,

846
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 3: what you know is off, Like.

847
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Immediately I'm gonna give you that look, Jackson, would you

848
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: write a book about your life? You think?

849
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I just feel like I don't

850
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: want to. I would have to do it. Without naming people.

851
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: And also like I don't want to hurt or embarrass

852
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: my parents because they're involved in like some of the

853
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: yes of my stuff, So I don't I wouldn't want

854
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: to expose them and embarrass them, you know what I mean.

855
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: So I don't know how I could do that without

856
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: them being upset.

857
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: It's a lot of what we say about how things

858
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: have to be like secretive and hidden with.

859
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: The family, you know. You know, I don't know that

860
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: if I had to do it again, I don't know.

861
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: I mean we did, It's not everything ain't in the

862
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: book of course, Right, there's a lot of stuff like

863
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: you just can't you know, And I don't know that.

864
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would, if I would do

865
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: it differently. I think that a lot of that, a

866
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: lot of that dysfunction and a lot of the trauma

867
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: in our in our family, in our family of family

868
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: of origin. You know, my book addressed that, you know,

869
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: it addressed a lot of that stuff that like nobody

870
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: will talk about that, nobody will ever have a conversation about. Right,

871
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: And then like in the case in point, because like

872
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: I've talked about a lot of things and nobody has

873
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: said anything to me.

874
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: About you know what I'm saying, you just had things

875
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: giving like I mean, but there's.

876
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: A lot to it, right because you know, you know,

877
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 3: you look at it as a public figure, and that's

878
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: a whole bunch into that, you know what I'm saying.

879
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 3: Why people wouldn't you know? You know? And I also

880
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: won't say because they know because they know that it's

881
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, they know they know what

882
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: the truth is. It's true.

883
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's true, I mean, yeah, they're not gonna

884
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: say to you about it though.

885
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: I always think that's just the hardest part when you

886
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: think about how you don't want to hurt other people,

887
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: but it's the truth.

888
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: Would you what about you? Would you write a book

889
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: and share stuff about your life that.

890
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: Is well, I don't want to do it unless I

891
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: could be honest, and I don't think at this point

892
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I can. Yeah, but later on in life, but later

893
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: on in life everything then I'm like, that's gonna be

894
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: in the book. But I'm kidding, no, I already had

895
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: a name for it. I'll tell you off there because

896
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't want nobody to take my idea, just like

897
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: nobody take it.

898
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: If you do.

899
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 5: Since I'm kind of like Jasmine, I think my dad

900
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 5: would have to be dead. There's certain things I don't

901
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 5: want him to know about me. They just aren't and

902
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 5: he would. He wants me to write a book so bad.

903
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, you're never gonna read it. Yeah, sorry,

904
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 5: you definitely can't.

905
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

906
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: The thing is the way she said it, like he

907
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: got to be dead, not passed on and love you never.

908
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: I feel like you can be completely honest though.

909
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Let's just say your kids

910
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: one of them had a diary. Would you read it

911
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: if you were alone in the house and you're like, oh,

912
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: what's diary? Would you want to.

913
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 7: Probably not show that.

914
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom went in my diary before when I

915
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: was a kid. Yeah, she was devastated.

916
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: Whether you were trying to write no book, it's fictional.

917
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: I was writing as a kid.

918
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: You just got to tell them that it's not true. Now,

919
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: one thing I have to say about your life, it

920
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: feels like you've had angels that kind of step in

921
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: and are like, okay, this is what we do you

922
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: feel that like, do you feel like you've somehow It

923
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: just feels like, you know how you can say you're

924
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: here for a purpose, it just feels like things happen

925
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: or people come in your life, and if you accept it,

926
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: it really does like change the trajectory.

927
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that I've that I've seen it

928
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: at the time, but in hindsight, Yeah, there have been

929
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 3: people who you know, but you know, and that's one thing,

930
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, we we you never know how what you say, well,

931
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: how you interact with somebody can change the trajectory of

932
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: their life. You don't you don't even know. People have

933
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: had conversation with me that changed my whole thing and

934
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 3: they don't even And the same is true for us.

935
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: We talked to people in like a light goes on, man,

936
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: and it changed their You know, I think we're all

937
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: we I think we all have that if we're paying

938
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: you know, if you're paying attention and you and you're

939
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: ready to and you're ready to do the work or

940
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: you're ready to do whatever that thing is. You know. Yeah,

941
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: there are people who then they had you know, the

942
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: guy who when I got sober, the guy who the

943
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: guy who I followed him to he was we were

944
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: in the in a in a treatment center and he

945
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: was my bunkie that were probably by a six dude

946
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: sleeping in a room in this place. And and he was, uh,

947
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: and he was getting sober, and he was, you know,

948
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: he was getting them. I was coming off the streets,

949
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: he was you know, I had nice clothes, he was

950
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: going back to school, he was starting to work again,

951
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: and he was always had all this positive stuff to say.

952
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: And I was envious. I was jealous of him. I

953
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: was so jealous that I started following him around and

954
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: found out what he was doing, you know. And and

955
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: his name was Ronald Clowney and he chained and and

956
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: and and and he is a big reason that I'm

957
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: that I'm sober today. And uh, And I had a

958
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: chance to you on Facebook somewhere, you know. He he

959
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: popped up and I had a chance to sit down,

960
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 3: like dude, you had and he had And this is

961
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: like he didn't know. He knew that I was, that

962
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: I was making music, but I hadn't talked to him

963
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: in what twenty five years, you know, and to tell

964
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: him after twenty five years, like, dude, you know, the

965
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: reason I'm sober is because you.

966
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: You were my inspiration.

967
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: I hated you so much.

968
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: What do you mean you were following him around?

969
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: Following him around? I was doing it. I started doing

970
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: the things that he was doing. Okay, you know, I

971
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: started doing the things that he was doing, and he

972
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: introduced me to more people who were doing the things,

973
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: who were doing the same thing, you know, and yeah,

974
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: changed changed everything. You know.

975
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: What was his response to you telling him that.

976
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: He was He was grateful and then he passed. And

977
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 3: then he passed away like thirty days later.

978
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad, you glad you had a chance to at least, like,

979
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: you know that, have that conversation with him. You know,

980
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: there's so much shame for people when they have to

981
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: go into a facility and get treatment. I interviewed an

982
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: artist ones and we discussed him getting sober, but behind

983
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: the scenes he was like he tried to seem like

984
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: he did it on his own, and then afterward he

985
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: was like, I really did go to rehabit. I just

986
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: don't want people to know that. Yeah, you know, how

987
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: was that for you? Like being able to.

988
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 3: Don't care, you don't care to save somebody's life.

989
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I and rehab It's not the right.

990
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: And we got this thing where, like you think, you know, celebrities,

991
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: we get in trouble and we go to rehab for

992
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: two weeks and we come out and we're cool. It's

993
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: not that, you know, it's not that you know, it's

994
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: a lifetime of continuing to make, to try to do,

995
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: to keep doing you know, the next right, there's a

996
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: lot of work that has been You take a lifetime

997
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: to get that. To get messed up. You know, it

998
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 3: takes it takes time, and it takes and it takes work.

999
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: You can't go someplace and get fixed and get cured.

1000
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: It's a good start, it's a place, you know, it's

1001
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 3: a launching pad. But like dude, you you know, you

1002
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: need to continue some type of support after you get

1003
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: out of that. It's a lifelong process. Whatever it is,

1004
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: whether you're talking about recovery from alcohol and drugs, you're

1005
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: talking about overeating, you're talking about getting your finances, whatever

1006
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 3: it is, the principles for getting.

1007
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: Right. I'm gonna work on that. Thank you for your

1008
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: lifelong struggle for so. Return to Love that's the name

1009
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: of the new project.

1010
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: That's just the theme of what we're Yeah, that's the path.

1011
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Why not call it? Okay, call her?

1012
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: You could Return to Love an album? Yeah, yeah, I

1013
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: mean yeah, there's a record in there. Somewhere. It's a

1014
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: great title, That's.

1015
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

1016
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: One of my favorite books.

1017
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: It's called A Return to Maryanne Williams. Yeah, yeah, I

1018
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: know Mary Well mary Anne. Well, remember she was running

1019
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: for president. Yep, running for president. But Marianne used to

1020
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: run a church that I used to sing at called

1021
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 3: Renaissance Unity in Detroit. I started singing in the choir.

1022
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: She was a senior, the senior pastor.

1023
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: I said the good thing about her running for president

1024
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: and made a lot more people know about her.

1025
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1026
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes running for office is not necessarily about winning. Yeah,

1027
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: it's about also the programs.

1028
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 2: Your profile s got a lot of churches too, Yeah,

1029
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: every place.

1030
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: There's a lot of churches everywhere.

1031
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: We got so every corner. Yes, I mean I think

1032
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: Brooklyn I have the most churches person where my.

1033
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Not d C.

1034
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: Well. I just want to close this out with some

1035
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: advice for anybody who's listening. If you've ever thought that

1036
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: maybe you want him to perform at your wedding, you

1037
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: should propose at one of his shows.

1038
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 3: Wow were you.

1039
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 4: Were you inspired by You worked as a wedding singer

1040
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 4: at the Ritz Carlton?

1041
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I worked at the I worked at the

1042
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: Ritz Carlton as a as a waiter. And you but

1043
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: I say, but I was away. I left the Rich

1044
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: Carlton and started singing and started.

1045
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: Singing at weddings.

1046
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 4: Were you inspired by that to sing at your own

1047
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 4: wedding or was it just purely you wanted to serenade

1048
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 4: your wife in that moment.

1049
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: I wanted to serenade my wife.

1050
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: I was being a wedding singer. That's a you know,

1051
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: that's a whole movie. Anyway, Yeah, it was.

1052
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: You know, I learned how to perform singing at weddings,

1053
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, And and I was making money doing what

1054
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: I you know, I left my I was making money

1055
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: making music.

1056
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: There's nothing like when you go to a wedding and

1057
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: the band is good and the singing is good, and

1058
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: then there's nothing worse in a wedding where the music

1059
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: is terrible, Like get me out of here. Yes, because I've.

1060
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Been to the music's bathrooms.

1061
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: You're like, oh gosh, all right, guys, let's wrap this up.

1062
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: You know, but that must have been amazing. I wonder

1063
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: if people remember, like you know, Cam saying it our

1064
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: wedding like back then, that's what a what a nice thing.

1065
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: To have.

1066
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. We need some of that footage.

1067
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1068
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: Please know you went from singing at people's weddings to

1069
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: having wedding songs for people that they want to hear

1070
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: at their wedding.

1071
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1072
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming through. I know

1073
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: this is a different type of show for you, but

1074
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: I was excited for you to be here.

1075
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that I came and this was good.

1076
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. We appreciate thank you for having me.

1077
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: I feel good next time, nasty, No, I'm kidding.

1078
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: This is war.

1079
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Now he's comfortable.

1080
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 4: Guys.

1081
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Do we have an album release date?

1082
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 3: No?

1083
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, twenty six.

1084
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: We'll do it twenty six. Sometimes we'll put it out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: It was an honor for real, absolutely truly the definition

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Speaker 1: and epitome of longevity and class.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you,