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Speaker 1: to say on his way out the door, Miami, thank

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Speaker 1: Let's go to you Carver as somebody that has covered

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Speaker 1: Eddie for a decade. He was a homegrown Marlin signed

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get Isaac on here before he is traded

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Speaker 4: No, I have nothing to disagree.

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Speaker 8: You've been laughing the whole time. I'm rolling your eyes

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Speaker 6: Like mil Rows wasn't was barely going to play with

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Speaker 8: That's the example that came to mind, Isaac, Right, and.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it might be beneficial for some of these guys

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Speaker 6: But I'm sure I know how Peter answered our questions,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was multitasking while you guys are talking. I'm disappointed,

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Speaker 5: I received multiple comments to take it down, from from

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Speaker 1: There's that more than a few times he's had that.

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Speaker 6: for late in the game. I think Marci's the one

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Speaker 6: guy who will be playing every single day, like I

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Speaker 6: said on the spaces last night, but there's gonna be

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Speaker 6: a lot of playing time for guys like Morel and

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Speaker 6: Ruiz to be facing left handed pitching.

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Speaker 1: As we look at the forty man roster right here, Sean,

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Speaker 1: what else should the Marlins do the rest of this offseason?

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Speaker 1: For well, I guess I should say, how would you

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Speaker 1: feel overall about what the Marlins have accomplished this offseason

446
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Speaker 1: so far? And what else could they do to improve

447
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Speaker 1: your view of that?

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Speaker 7: I wish they had brought in Well, maybe there's still time,

449
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Speaker 7: but more competition than the corner infield, specifically at third base.

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Speaker 7: I just not that much a believer in Connor Norby.

451
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Speaker 7: I never really have been. I mean, Grand Polly showed

452
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Speaker 7: some encouraging signs last season, but how much do you

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Speaker 7: want to put into that over a full season? I know,

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Speaker 7: if people are like, oh, over one sixty two, Grand

455
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Speaker 7: Polly's on pace for a three point nine war. All right,

456
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Speaker 7: let's be a little like you know, come on, I

457
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Speaker 7: had written up early in the off season that they

458
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Speaker 7: should have targeted a guy like Ahmed Rosario, who actually

459
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Speaker 7: sneaky had a big uptick in his hitting profile last season,

460
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Speaker 7: and I think that's a good resign for the Yankees.

461
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Speaker 7: So I would have liked something like that. I mean,

462
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Speaker 7: maybe Havier so Nohaw I could see more time at

463
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Speaker 7: third base during the year, especially if there is another

464
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Speaker 7: injury to Connor Norby. I wouldn't be opposed to that necessarily,

465
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Speaker 7: but on the hitting side, that would have been an

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Speaker 7: area of focus for me. I also probably wouldn't have

467
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Speaker 7: targeted Christopher Morel their plans to put him.

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Speaker 10: At first base.

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Speaker 7: I know Carver may agree with me on that one,

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Speaker 7: but I don't. I don't mind the you know, the

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Speaker 7: rold the dice on him. There is big power in there.

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Speaker 7: He did have a good season a few years back

473
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Speaker 7: with the Cubs. Uh, So I probably would.

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Speaker 10: Have addressed the corner infield spots. Besides that, I've enjoyed it.

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Speaker 10: I wonder what a guy like Victor Mason Jr. Has

476
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Speaker 10: If he's triple a deaf in case of injuries, if

477
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Speaker 10: maybe there's a trade to be swung, maybe a team

478
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Speaker 10: like the Padres are looking for some more outfield depth.

479
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Speaker 10: I mean, I think Mesa junior could get some playing

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Speaker 10: time so she and center field there if they moved

481
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Speaker 10: from Morele or Merrill over or if he gets hurt.

482
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Speaker 10: So I think there's still some more moves to be

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Speaker 10: done because there's a lot of outfielders now on the fording.

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Speaker 1: Carver, why don't you give people a quick preview of

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Speaker 1: your tay France?

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Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah, yeah, it's it's why not?

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Speaker 2: You know, they they don't have and I was noting

488
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Speaker 2: it last night to lie they don't have a player

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Speaker 2: that I mean, they have two players on this team

490
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Speaker 2: who have played first base and neither one has done

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Speaker 2: it much at all.

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Speaker 3: And then outside of that, they're going.

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Speaker 8: To be looking at what seems to.

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Speaker 2: Be multiple players including Morel who Sean just alluded to,

495
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Speaker 2: that have never played the position that they're going to

496
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Speaker 2: hope to teach the position on the fly. All while

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Speaker 2: they're trying to can either continue to improve or I guess,

498
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Speaker 2: in Morel's case, yet back to what they were. All

499
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Speaker 2: while you're going to have to learn how to play

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Speaker 2: the position being yes, it is first base, and it's

501
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Speaker 2: not an impossible position to play. It's one of the

502
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Speaker 2: easier positions to play on the diamond. But when you're

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Speaker 2: trying to prioritize you know what you're doing offensively, where

504
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Speaker 2: you know you have Conine trying to do that build

505
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Speaker 2: up what he did last year where he started to

506
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Speaker 2: be pretty good, albeit with a thirty percent strike ut rate,

507
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Speaker 2: and then Morell, who really struggled last year, and La

508
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Speaker 2: Marlins hope they can get something out of him and

509
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Speaker 2: bring him back to the form that Sean was alluding

510
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Speaker 2: to a couple.

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Speaker 3: Of years ago.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to be learning a new position,

513
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Speaker 2: which is not easy to do no matter where you're at.

514
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Speaker 2: So my thing and my take is they should get

515
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Speaker 2: a guy, preferably an older player, who knows the position

516
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Speaker 2: and knows how to play it and can do it

517
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Speaker 2: off the bench and help out. And I don't think

518
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Speaker 2: there's anybody better than a guy that who will be

519
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Speaker 2: very cheap. Yes, he has struggled offensively, but he won

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Speaker 2: a Gold Glove last year. That's ty France, who can

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Speaker 2: probably be gotten on a minor league deal. He only

522
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Speaker 2: made one million dollars last year with the Twins, he

523
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Speaker 2: got traded to the Blue Jays. He didn't do that

524
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Speaker 2: much in the World Series and the playoff run unfortunately

525
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Speaker 2: very little. Actually, in fact, I remember him making some

526
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Speaker 2: negative plays and errors during that run for.

527
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Speaker 3: The Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: But it's not a guy who can't return to form,

529
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Speaker 2: especially if he gets a little bit of pop back.

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Speaker 2: This guy's I don't think he is ever gonna hit

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Speaker 2: twenty home runs again, especially if he comes off the bench,

532
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Speaker 2: but I think he can hit more than seven that

533
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Speaker 2: he hit last year again if he gets a little

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Speaker 2: bit more pop back and kind of just be a

535
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Speaker 2: peskey hitter who doesn't strike out much. He doesn't walk

536
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Speaker 2: much at all either, but he doesn't strike out, so

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Speaker 2: I think you can get by with what he does offensively,

538
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Speaker 2: especially as a late ending replacement or whatever.

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Speaker 7: It may be.

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Speaker 3: A guy that's gonna teach other guys how to play

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Speaker 3: the position.

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Speaker 2: So I think that he serves a real purpose and

543
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Speaker 2: is an obvious answer to an obvious question, what are

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Speaker 2: the Marlins going to do at first base? I think

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Speaker 2: ty Franz really helps out and it would be very cheap,

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Speaker 2: so I think it's very Marlin's friendly to sign that player.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna mention next gold Schmid. I

548
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Speaker 5: know that was a name that I think Isaac projected

549
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Speaker 5: in the first roster projection that we did. He's on

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Speaker 5: the older side and at this point not signed yet.

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Speaker 5: I would be curious what what type of deal he's

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Speaker 5: someone who could get. Is it a minor league deal

553
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Speaker 5: with the not with a with a camp invite?

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Speaker 8: Maybe not. I don't think at this point.

555
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Speaker 1: Is still going to get a guaranteed deal from somebody.

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Speaker 8: You'll probably get.

557
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Speaker 4: Year eight million would be my estimate.

558
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Speaker 5: I would go even lower than that, to be honest

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Speaker 5: with you, but yeah, I mean at this point, it

560
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Speaker 5: just depends what the Marlins want to do at the position,

561
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Speaker 5: because that's Carver noted. Christopher Morel never played the position.

562
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Speaker 5: Griffin co nine at the pro level, never played the position.

563
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Speaker 5: He Roberto maybe a couple of games, Davidson Deilo Santos

564
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Speaker 5: would be stunned if he's on the opening day roster.

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Speaker 5: So outside of that, I mean, Liam Hicks is gonna

566
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Speaker 5: catch a lot of games for the for the Marlins,

567
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Speaker 5: especially now with the A Wagman and Augustine probably won't

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Speaker 5: do it until midway through the season, and who knows

569
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Speaker 5: what that looks like, right, So you're really at a

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Speaker 5: really you're you're in a really interesting spot right now.

571
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Speaker 5: You're really banking on guys who have never played the

572
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Speaker 5: position or have very limited experience to do it. So

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Speaker 5: that's why I think Carbon makes a good point with

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Speaker 5: with France. Gold Schmidt would be another one, and I

575
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Speaker 5: don't know you, you definitely need to sign someone at

576
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Speaker 5: least to a minor league deal at first base to see,

577
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Speaker 5: who knows this guy has a resurrection type spring training

578
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Speaker 5: where he makes the name for himself or who knows, right,

579
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Speaker 5: because you're in a really weird position here with that

580
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Speaker 5: position at first base, and unless they're fine, you know,

581
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Speaker 5: rolling these guys out, which at the moment, that's what

582
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Speaker 5: it seems like, and they're fine sacrificing some defense to

583
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Speaker 5: get more offense, doesn't make much sense to me to

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Speaker 5: roll with what you have at the moment and at

585
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Speaker 5: least try to sign one more first base a minor

586
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Speaker 5: league deal, and you don't need to do a major

587
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Speaker 5: league guaranteed dealer or even one of the split deals

588
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Speaker 5: that they gave Wagman last year like that type of

589
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 5: stuff is what they should be doing at this point

590
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Speaker 5: and probably what they will do unless they get a

591
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Speaker 5: either starting pitcher or lefty for the bullpen.

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Speaker 4: And for what it's worth, I agree with Kevin Davison.

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Speaker 6: Will not be making the opening a roster who has

594
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Speaker 6: recently engaged congratulations to him, but Davison, the team brass

595
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 6: seems to be extremely high on this player. I know,

596
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Speaker 6: his first full season with the club with the organization

597
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Speaker 6: wasn't a huge success. He's has been cut down on

598
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Speaker 6: those strikeout issues, but then the power sort of disappeared,

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Speaker 6: and they expect him to have a big bounce back

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Speaker 6: season in Jacksonville. And he's someone that will make his

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Speaker 6: major leader to do at some point in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 6: and so all those reports, you know, they don't want

603
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Speaker 6: to block the young guys. He is one of those

604
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Speaker 6: names that they have circled that they think will be

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Speaker 6: ready to contribute at first base as soon as this year.

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Speaker 4: So I think I like, I agree Kevin.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't hurt to sign a minor league pre agent

608
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Speaker 6: deal something like that, but they're not gonna be signing

609
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Speaker 6: a major league fe agent for first base.

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Speaker 1: Find me another fifteen seconds. I got the Peter Bendix screenshot. Ready,

611
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Speaker 1: Oh boy.

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Speaker 6: The other guy is gonna be playing some first base

613
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Speaker 6: is none other than Liam Hicks. And he's another guy

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Speaker 6: who will be probably be the third catcher on the

615
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Speaker 6: roster at once.

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Speaker 4: Augustine, I'm sorry, once, Jill.

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Speaker 8: Mack you're doing him so dirty. Man.

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Speaker 4: Man, he's busy. He's busy.

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Speaker 5: He has a lot of he looks he generally there there.

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Speaker 5: He looks like really tired.

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Speaker 8: He looks like he just woke up.

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Speaker 7: He's had a lot of conversations.

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Speaker 1: Right.

624
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Speaker 8: He hit me with that one today.

625
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Speaker 6: That's the face of a man who has been working

626
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Speaker 6: tirelessly signing some few major league free agents in morele

627
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Speaker 6: and Fairbanks and finally orchestrating a trade and receiving calls

628
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Speaker 6: on Edward Cabrera, who is one of the better trade

629
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Speaker 6: one of the better starting pitches on the trade market.

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Speaker 6: Now maybe it opens the floodgates for other guys like

631
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Speaker 6: Mackenzie Gore. Who knows, But yeah, it's gonna be.

632
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Speaker 4: I don't think they're entirely done yet.

633
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just speaking the first element reminds us that they

634
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Speaker 1: waved Troy Johnson earlier this offseason. You can play the

635
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Speaker 1: position and did quite well.

636
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Speaker 2: What I woke wing out about that he's another lefty?

637
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Speaker 2: Can they can they have another lefty? Like Sean was

638
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: talking about it, like how many lefties can you have?

639
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Speaker 2: Like E Like, yes, I love Troy and we all

640
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: love Troy, but even if you keep Troy around now,

641
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Speaker 2: especially with what they've done elsewhere, we're bringing in more lefties,

642
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: Like how you could roll out nine lefty or eight lefties?

643
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Speaker 3: Like what are you gonna do? You know what I mean?

644
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I love Troy, and yes I am sad

645
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: to see him go, but you know he's gonna do

646
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Speaker 2: well in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's enough of that, Peter. Looking forward to

648
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Speaker 1: talking to him again, hopefully before the star of spring

649
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Speaker 1: training if they make another significant move, but I think

650
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Speaker 1: more likely spring training stuff from him and today happens

651
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Speaker 1: in more boring times. Today is the deadline to exchange

652
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Speaker 1: salary figures with arbitration eligible players, and I always feel

653
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Speaker 1: it imperative for me to explain how this works to

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Speaker 1: people because there's a lot of confusion on it, even

655
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Speaker 1: though ultimately it's not a big deal either way. But coincidentally,

656
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Speaker 1: Eddie was going to be the highest earning arbitration eligible

657
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: player if the Marlins had retained him. I think it

658
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: is a coincidence that the trade went down right before

659
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: this deadline, because we've seen it. You can essentially the

660
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 1: deadline doesn't really impact somebody's value one way or another way.

661
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: Pretty solid projections in terms of what these guys are

662
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: going to make once they settle with the team or

663
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: even if they go to a hearing. Cabrera was in

664
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: line for about three point seven million according to MLB

665
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: trade rumors other estimates right around there, so you'd be

666
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: somewhere in the high threes low four million dollars for

667
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: this upcoming season based on his performance. As Carver was

668
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: lamenting privately that it is still a bit antiquated in

669
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: terms of how they actually award and come up with

670
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: these numbers. Is they based it on pretty traditional baseball

671
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: card stats rather than the stuff that we actually used

672
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: to evaluate players nowadays. And it's slowly progressing, but it

673
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: is still rooted in prestit. You have to compare yourself

674
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: to pass players that've gone through this process, and based

675
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: on what those players earned as a raise on their

676
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: previous salary when they went through the same process as well.

677
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Last year the Marlins were able to settle with all

678
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: their arm eligible guys, and I don't know. We do

679
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: have some murmurings that they might not do so this

680
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: time around we will find out relatively soon. I think

681
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the firm deadline is eight pm one. We'll actually have

682
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: an announcement one way or the other in terms of PAMNY.

683
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Guys that settled with already got specific salary figures. On

684
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: Anthony Bender two point eight million BRAX and Garrett gets

685
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: one point five to three, essentially renewing the exact same

686
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: contracts he had last year. He didn't pitch at all,

687
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: so he didn't do anything to earn a raise, and

688
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: they simply running back for the same amount. No word

689
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: on Andrew and already yet. I think he'd be the

690
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: exact same case where he did not pitch last year,

691
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything to earn himself a raise, but

692
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: yet the Marlins felt that he should have been retained

693
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: and they passed the opportunities to squez him off the roster.

694
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: So I'd expect him to get the exact same amount,

695
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: although we're still waiting on confirmation at that Isaac our

696
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: own Isaac Gazoo reporting that Ryan Weathers is going to

697
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: settle with the team still waiting an exact salary figure

698
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: on that, and then the other ones, Calvin Fouchet and

699
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: Max Meyer. Max Meyer in a kind of interesting position

700
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: because it was looking early last year that he was

701
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: a big breakout candidate for this team, but then his

702
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: performance kind of pretty rapidly tanked as he was dealing

703
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: with the hip injury, and then he missed most of

704
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: the year with a hip injury, which certainly caps his

705
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: earnings projected to be at one point three million. As

706
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: we get word on that coming relatively shortly, I would think,

707
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is just this gives us a better

708
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: idea in terms of the team's payroll moving forward once

709
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: this stuff is like firmly put it in in case

710
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: there's any some sort of surprises here. And the way

711
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: that things currently project is the team's payroll is going

712
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: to be up a little bit compared to last year,

713
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of that actually comes from dead money

714
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: because they're paying ten million to the Yankees for Gean

715
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: Carlos Stanson the first of three years that they're finally

716
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: paying off some of the money that they still owe

717
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: him as part of that mega extension in that trade,

718
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: and they're still being charged five million for the buyout

719
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: on a Vi Garcia's contract that's going to go towards

720
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: their twenty twenty six payroll.

721
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 8: So those two that's what I just said. That's I'm sorry, sorry,

722
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 8: I guess.

723
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Stanton and Avi are very big factors here. Where Stanton

724
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: was not on their payroll these past seven years. This

725
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: is only the first of three at the very back

726
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: end of his deal that they're actually responsible for. And yeah,

727
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: this is true. I mean, you look around baseball and

728
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: the increase across the league. The Martins are not keeping

729
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: up with the way that payroll has climbed across baseball.

730
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: They're going to be spending, barring a big surprise late,

731
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: they're going to be spending less this year than they

732
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: did and when Sherman took over originally eight years prior

733
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: to this, and as we'll get into shortly, and another

734
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: complicating factor moving forward, when it comes to what they're

735
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: going to be spending, it depends on the revenue that

736
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: the team is bringing in. And now that their local

737
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: TV deal is in flux at the moment, and it's

738
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: almost certainly going to go down moving forward. That is

739
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: a big complicating factor in terms of how much they're

740
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: actually going to invest on proven guys. They can make

741
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: these shrewd trades for guys like Casey that actually lower

742
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: their payroll, and they can continue to take flyers on

743
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: waiver wire, guys that have worked out in several cases already.

744
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: And it's possible to build a competitive team on a

745
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: shoe string budget. It's just really hard to make a

746
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: deep playoff front that way. It's true less money and

747
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: more competitive compared to some of the previous.

748
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think you're right in the

749
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: fact that you're gonna have to spend money to stay

750
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: competitive at least long term. We've seen them modelins Dow before,

751
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: where you know, they have done it on a very.

752
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: Very low payrol. And I think that this year.

753
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're going to go far into the

754
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: playoffs this year, but I think with the prospects that

755
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: they have ready to contribute or about ready to contributeor

756
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: talk about Thomas White, it's like about Robbie selling and

757
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: talking about Joe Mack, I think that you know, they

758
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: are poised this year and maybe the year after when

759
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: they fully those guys fully get here to really start

760
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: to do it with these team controlled guys, So at

761
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: least that's the core, and then maybe you fill in

762
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: around it and you don't have to spend as much

763
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: as they did. You know the year they won the

764
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: World Series, where they just did it by spending money,

765
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: But the other year that.

766
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: They won the World Series, they basically did it with

767
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: home grown talent.

768
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: So I think that the next ten Marlins do make

769
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: deep run, it will be a bit of both, but

770
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: it will be with a core of homegrown prospects, which

771
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: to me is what the Marlins need to be long

772
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: term if they want that sustainable success that they're going after.

773
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: Well, this is kind of an overreaction. Chase Dodgers. Nobody's

774
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: gonna beat them. The Blue Jays took them in the

775
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: extra endings and game set under the World Series. Come on,

776
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: it's possible and there are teams that Overall, though, there

777
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: hasn't been as much spending this offseason as anticipated, mainly

778
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: because a lot of guys are still out there, but

779
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: we'll see how close those guys get to their expected

780
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: contract amounts and then all better idea in terms of

781
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: how aggressive folks are being with that, we're gonna spend

782
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: the rest of the stream talking about the TV situation

783
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: that escalated pretty quickly. Like there's a report last night

784
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: about how the proposed sale of main Street, main Stream

785
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: Sports Group, whatever it's called, the big conglomerate that owns

786
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: all the FanDuel sports networks affiliates, that the sale that

787
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: they were trying to get done with another operator was

788
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: looking pretty dicey. And then from that, it's now to

789
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: the point where every team, every Major League Baseball team

790
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: I should say, that was still affiliated with these networks,

791
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: has terminated the deal that were going to be in

792
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: place for twenty twenty six. And remember how big a

793
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: deal it was just a few years ago when the

794
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: Marlins renegotiated that deal with those networks and got a

795
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: big increase compared to what they previously had. But there

796
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: was reporting at the time that it wasn't a super

797
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: long term commitment. And as it turns out, it's only

798
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: going to last maybe I think four or five years

799
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: total from when that original re up happens, just because

800
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: through no faults of the Marlins or these other teams,

801
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: it's just that the cable business model has dramatically changed

802
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: this what the money they anticipated being able to pay

803
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: these teams for their rights hasn't materialized because of people

804
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: cutting the cord and using streamings, using streaming services instead

805
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: and not holding under the cable package. So now there's

806
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: a whole lot of wrinkles going along here. Because the

807
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: Marlins have been on the same network for decades, It's

808
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: been on a gazillion different names. It was Bally just

809
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Before that, it was Fox Sports,

810
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: and before that I was looking up just earlier before.

811
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: They've had like six total names going back to the nineties.

812
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: But it's always been in a familiar place, and now

813
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: this is going to be a complication that naturally is

814
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: going to upset people's routines. So will Isaac is doing

815
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: blood and nodding along. So what is your uh, you know,

816
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: what's your take on the fact that this is going

817
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: to I guess I wouldn't say into the twenty first century.

818
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: When we entered the twenty first century, this was still

819
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: a thriving business. But the future of baseball, in terms

820
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: of how people are gonna get it and ingest it

821
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: is going to look different in but you know, maybe

822
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: opportunities for innovation as well, in terms of how people

823
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: watch their games.

824
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's it's really awesome to just to see

825
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 6: how the market changes. And the word that comes to

826
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: mind is just it was inevitable, right, And you see

827
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: how many people are cutting cords, and I was one

828
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 6: of them. I was someone that always loved to have

829
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 6: a cable box, you know, moving from apartment to a harment.

830
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: It was great to be able to watch live TV

831
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: and go through the guy. But now that is completely

832
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 6: been eliminated. I have two streaming services, YouTube TV, which

833
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 6: used to have both Bally Florida and Balley Sun for

834
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 6: both the Rays and Marlins and the Heat as well,

835
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 6: and then they weren't able to come to an agreement

836
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 6: as recently as two years ago, So then you had

837
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 6: to get a second streaming service, which in my case

838
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 6: it's Fubo, and they continue to hold Marlins and Rays

839
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: and Heat and Magic and all those teams as well

840
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 6: as all the normal national LEA TVs is basic cable

841
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 6: would have. But it's the oh, there's going to have

842
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 6: to be an adjustment at some point, and unfortunate it

843
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 6: happened pretty quickly, like you said, it didn't materialize very

844
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 6: very very quickly. So now the fact that major League

845
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 6: Baseball the Marlins base will not be on cable anymore

846
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: to be a hell of a big deal. I think

847
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of grown men in Broward

848
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 6: and Northern Florida are not Florida Northern Miami that are

849
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 6: gonna be very confused, and it's take them a little

850
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 6: bit of time to adjust to this streaming service stuff

851
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 6: because it's it's a little bit of a pain. I

852
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 6: wish it hadn't completely overtaken the cable world because there's

853
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: nothing better than cable TV, but hey, you got to

854
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 6: adapt or die.

855
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: I think along with that, I remember watching the Sunshine

856
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: Network when I was a kid, and that's how I

857
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: watched Marlins game. When I was really young, I watched

858
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: the Sunshine Network, which turned into sun Sports the Fox

859
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Sports Florida. Like all that stuff seems to be a

860
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: thing of the past, which that's how I think almost

861
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: all of us here grew up watching this team. And

862
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: now it's Apple TV and Amazon and all these other things.

863
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: So it's like, yes, that's good for those large market

864
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: deals are good, especially for a team like the Marlins,

865
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: which is what I'll get to in a second. But

866
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: it's not just the Marlins losing their TV deal that's

867
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: going to affect the Marlins. It's other teams potentially losing

868
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: their TV deal that will affect the Marlins because of

869
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: the revenue sharing aspect. I mean, that's a lot of

870
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: financials to get into it. I don't want to bore anybody,

871
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: but long story short and TLDR. The Marlins, being a

872
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: small market team, actually make a revenue share from teams

873
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: that have TV deals and get more money than the

874
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: league average team would, which they can spend on things

875
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: like payroll. So this does affect the Marlins and how

876
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: they will feel the team. The Marlins themselves and other

877
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: teams do not have active television deals, so there's a

878
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: big deal. It affects the Marlins in multiple ways. It

879
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: affects us as fans. So this is this is a

880
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: story that will continue to follow closely as Marlins writers,

881
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: as Marlins fans. I'm sure we'll continue to follow this

882
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: because it does affect the team multiple ways.

883
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 6: And this is a team whose main piece of the

884
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 6: pie revenue wise is obviously the revenue sharing. This isn't

885
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 6: a team like the Yankees that you see everyone wearing

886
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 6: a Yankee Cap. This is not the same thing. Their

887
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 6: number two thing aside from loan Devo be the name

888
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 6: of their ballpark, is their TV deal. Well, not the

889
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 6: most lucrative TV deal in all of Major League Baseball.

890
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: It was a significant amount that they were making. It

891
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: was if I.

892
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: Don't have it for certain, but I believe it's within

893
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 6: the range of the eight to fifteen million dollar range.

894
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 6: Obviously it's a bigger range that would like to give

895
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 6: you guys that I don't know the exact number, but

896
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 6: it was a significant piece that was helping the Marlins.

897
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 6: And so that's gonna be something that a lot of

898
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 6: teams love. Small market teams are gonna have to learn

899
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 6: to live without. Maybe they take it out of the

900
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 6: revenue sharing, who knows. But it's a shame that this

901
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: wasn't able to continue.

902
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: The fundamental change here is that under the cable set

903
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: up that the sport has always thrived on with regional

904
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: sports networks, people would pay for this affilate. They'd pay

905
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: for this content without actually intentionally doing it, like if

906
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: they were paying for a certain cable package even if

907
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: they didn't watch baseball or any sports, and the same

908
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: people were that what they were paying their provider a

909
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: slice of that was going directly. It was being split

910
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: up in several ways to make it profitable for everybody.

911
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: But now the way that this is fundamentally changed in

912
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: the streaming world is that people have to opt into

913
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: your content, they have to seek out your content, and

914
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: in this case almost get it all a kart kind

915
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: of get it on its own. So that's why streamers

916
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: have pushed against that, and they've tried to rebundle things.

917
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: They've tried to recreate the cable model digitally and kind

918
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: of bundle things together in a way where it makes

919
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: people more entice to do it. But at the same time,

920
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: it's it's never going to be as profitable overall just

921
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: because the system has changed, just because you actually have

922
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: to for the most part, it's only going to be

923
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: baseball fans, and specifically Marlins fans that are going to

924
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: go out and pay for this. It's not going to

925
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: be those that kind of unintentionally we're paying from a

926
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: as part of larger packages. Every other team that has

927
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: already switched this is I should note that this is

928
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: from Barry Jackson to the Miami Herald, laying out a

929
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: few scenarios here. We'll get to one right there off

930
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: the top, about how the Panthers were in a very

931
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: similar position just a couple of years ago. Eight ditched

932
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: the FanDuel and they've gone to Scripts these last two seasons.

933
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I guess quickly from Carver, he's our resident Panthers fan,

934
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: and I know that they've brought on some of the

935
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 1: same talent that was broadcasting the games previously are still

936
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: doing it over there. How has how has the overall

937
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: experience been keeping up with them on that new network

938
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: compared to how it was before.

939
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: I like it, And to me, to Isaac's point, it

940
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: actually reminds me a lot of the old school way

941
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: of watching it. It's Scripts Network, it's available locally on

942
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: on cable. I get it as a local channel, and

943
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: I watch it just as a regular local channel.

944
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: So to me, it reminds me a lot of how

945
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: I've always consumed sports. So I like it.

946
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: We still have Steve Goldstein with the Panthers, who is fabulous.

947
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: They still Randy Moler, so they still have all the

948
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: same guys. Jessica blaylock Is is there as well, so

949
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 2: they still have all the same talent. They retained pretty

950
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: much all the same talent, they're just called something else.

951
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: So I think the transition for the Panthers was really good.

952
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: Helped the team too, by the way to straight Stanley Cups.

953
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that they made a really smooth transition,

954
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: and the talent, at least from the talent perspective, is

955
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: so beloved and we're they're not getting rid of any

956
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: They're not changing anything until they lose again, which may

957
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: happen this year, but that's another story. But yeah, No,

958
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: the transition to a new company to me was awesome,

959
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: and the current setup that they have reminds me a

960
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: lot of the old school way of consuming sports, which

961
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of. So if the Marlins did

962
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: that or maybe even went to scripts, I think that

963
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: that would be awesome or something like that, because it.

964
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: Works out very well.

965
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: They also have the streaming options available from what I understand,

966
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't pretend I don't particularly use those. I just

967
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 2: watch at home, but there's multiple ways to consume the game,

968
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: so I think it works out for old school fans

969
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: and new school fans, so I think for everybody that

970
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: would be a beneficial resolution to this issue.

971
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 6: I can's the Valley website Panthers games, correct.

972
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, yeah right, And so if if the Marlins

973
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 11: were to fall into MLB package, which it would just

974
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 11: be MLB TV, I assume they would keep Kyle and

975
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 11: whatever col analyst rotation they do have, but all the

976
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 11: pre and post game shows would simply disappear or they wouldn't.

977
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 8: That's what it seems.

978
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm reading this right now here that the

979
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 5: Darry said at least they would cut it a little bit,

980
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: is what it seems, so maybe shorter. So all those

981
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 5: analysts that they have that host this Gabby Sanchez is cooked.

982
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: Man.

983
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 5: The only the only one that I kind of would

984
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: suck there is Craig who obviously joined the team, and

985
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 5: I did enjoy watching his segments of the of the pregame.

986
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 8: Which I liked personally.

987
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: That definitely enhanced the viewing of the pregame show. And

988
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: he would post though, so I'm not sure what would

989
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 5: happened on that end. I don't even know if Craig

990
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 5: would be back in that case. So yeah, that that's

991
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 5: the only thing that kind of sucks there, that they

992
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: would lose that. But the only positive out of this

993
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 5: is like the I think we would be able to

994
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 5: watch games on MLB networker I mold TV, I'm sorry,

995
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 5: without the blackouts. I think you were explaining to a

996
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: sea Live, which for those that actually do get it

997
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 5: and do have the T mobile package that comes with

998
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 5: MLB TV for free, it would actually make the viewing

999
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: a lot easier. And uh yeah, that's the only part

1000
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 5: I would actually enjoy.

1001
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 6: Well, not easier than you're watching on your table, right,

1002
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 6: I don't even have I don't have cables, so you know, yeah, okay,

1003
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 6: so I.

1004
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 8: Have my way, I have my waves.

1005
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: And then obviously you've been right because for us who

1006
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 6: go cover the game, person we do watch.

1007
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: I do like to watch the broadcast while I'm in

1008
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 4: the press box, and to do so by streaming it.

1009
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 4: It's way behind MLB TV.

1010
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 6: Happens to be pretty much one pitch delayed rather than

1011
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 6: six pitches delayed.

1012
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 4: So it would make that life easier in that sense.

1013
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 5: Well, especially for us on the you know, on the

1014
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 5: recovering side, we don't go to all the games, so

1015
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 5: when you when you are covering a road game, it

1016
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 5: actually makes your life a lot easier.

1017
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 6: That is, that is true unless you didn't have I

1018
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 6: guess if you didn't have streaming services?

1019
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: Yes, right, So what else do I want to get

1020
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: to on this When it comes to with Sean Miller

1021
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: asking about revenue, I mean, ultimately there it is going

1022
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: to be tied to how good the team is, because

1023
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: more people are getting to opt in during the course

1024
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: of a season when the team is competing for somebody,

1025
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: and they're going to be presumably options to sign up

1026
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: for a month by month basis or a full year basis,

1027
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: and people that's not a month by month. The team

1028
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: is bad, then they're going to more likely cancel than

1029
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: they would otherwise. If the team's out of the race,

1030
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: they're not gonna pay extra. It's the middle of It's

1031
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: August twelfth, and the Marlins are seventeen games under five hundred.

1032
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: There's not gonna be a whole lot of new sign

1033
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: ups to see the debut of Jared Serna, for example,

1034
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: Like that's not as appealing as other things that they

1035
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: could be doing. Depending on how they go, I think

1036
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: it will more directly tie their revenue to how the

1037
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: team is doing, which was not the case under the

1038
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: previous arrangement. They agreed far in advance on what those

1039
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: rights fees would be and they were kind of locked

1040
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: in regardless of performance. So that is an interesting wrinkle.

1041
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: That's the big change that comes with this, where it

1042
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: puts more pressure on the team to be competitive if

1043
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: people have to individually sign up and pay for it

1044
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: when it comes to this aspect of its And yeah,

1045
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: in terms of retaining the broadcasters as as it kind

1046
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: of mentions, and as we've seen with other examples, especially

1047
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: on this short of notice, I would think for the

1048
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six season, almost the exact same grouping of

1049
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: people that were already tentatively penciled in to broadcast games

1050
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: would still be doing so, because it is it's a

1051
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: big commitment to do a full job search, especially for

1052
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: the more prominent positions on relatively short notice with opening

1053
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: day less than three days away, and we're a month

1054
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: and we're just six weeks away from actual spring training games,

1055
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: even though they don't broadcast a ton of those on

1056
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: TV anyway, So I would think with a higher degree

1057
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: of confidence that you're going to have Kyle c Loft

1058
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: calling games no matter what, no matter where they're going

1059
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 1: to wind up here. And so yeah, it's the question

1060
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: in terms of the post game and the pregame coverage

1061
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: is interesting because I have seen with other Major League

1062
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: teams that the ones that again to pull up these

1063
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: scenarios the more likely one. In Barry's opinion, I agree

1064
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: with this. I think the more likely outcome here is

1065
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: that they get absorbed into MLB TV and that MLB

1066
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: produces the games. That's what they've done for a handful

1067
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: of other teams that previously were part of regional networks

1068
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: and recently, for whatever reason, left those agreements. They've been

1069
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: absorbed under MLB. Just make sure I have that lisk correctly. Diamondbacks,

1070
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: guard Ardians, Twins, Padres, Rangers, Rockies, all those teams this

1071
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: past season were being produced and distributed by MLB, and

1072
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: I think every single one of them had the same

1073
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: play by play guy that was previously doing their games

1074
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: before the transition. So in some cases they've been kept

1075
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: for several seasons, and I have noticed that there is

1076
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: some sort of pregame and postgame component to that. I

1077
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: didn't keep an official timer on whether it's as much

1078
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: content as we're used to, So it is possible that

1079
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: they do trim the number of analysts that they have

1080
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: in that rotation because of that that's that's all speculative though,

1081
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: so but yeah, I do agree that I think that's

1082
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: what the way this lines up, that they end up

1083
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: going the MLB TV route. That to reiterate, no more

1084
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: blackouts anymore for people trying to tune in for that.

1085
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: Those have I know some people have fallen into complications

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00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: with that even under a current setup, So you know,

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00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: that's one bright side of it. In terms of the

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00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: ultimate ultimate dollars and cents, I mean, for the people

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00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: that were mainly staying tethered to a full cable package

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00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: just to watch the Marlins and the Heat. By the way,

1091
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: the Heat are in basically the same situation, just to

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00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: be clear, and with the their situation is even more

1093
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: complicated because they're in the middle of their season, so

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00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: some people are wondering whether or not there's gonna be

1095
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: any disruption to those broadcasts over these next couple of months.

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00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: Heater are in the same situation. If people those of

1097
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: you out there that were mainly staying subscribed to a

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00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: big cable package for Marlins and Heat games, I think

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00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: it'll end up saving money with whatever is figured out here,

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00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: just because so much of that price is actually tied

1101
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: to channels that you weren't watching anyway, but for other

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00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: people just based on last year's Yeah, it's hard to

1103
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: ballpark an exact amount in terms of what this would be.

1104
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: I would guess somewhere between twenty and thirty bucks a month,

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00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: and hopefully on the lower end of that. This being

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00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: the first year of them doing this new step, you

1107
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: would think that there's some sort of discount involved for

1108
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: people that sign up early. But we're still a few

1109
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: steps ahead of this. Because the last thing to clarify

1110
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: is that even though these contracts have been terminated, but

1111
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: the Marlins and all the other major league teams that

1112
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: were still with Main Street Sports Group, even though they

1113
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: were terminated, the sports Group insists that there's still like

1114
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: a line of communication open to renegotiate. Now. I would

1115
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: be shocked at the Marlins actually stayed in this mess

1116
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: any longer than they had to, Like this is a

1117
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: great opportunity to just pull off the band aid, but

1118
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: this not does not preclude them from re engaging them

1119
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: and talks about a year by year deal for however

1120
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: long this last. So it's not officially over yet, but

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00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: the Marlins are free agents in the regional TV space

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00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: I guess that's the easiest way to clarify it.

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Speaker 5: What does what does something like this mean for though?

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00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 5: You know, I know some people like them, some people

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00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 5: don't like you know, the Jeremy Taches and the Callie

1126
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 5: who also do heat games, right, they do both, So

1127
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 5: what does it mean I don't I like them. I

1128
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 5: like Jeremy, I think Germany's great. But no, seriously, what

1129
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 5: does it.

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00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 8: Mean for those? Because you know you don't you hate

1131
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 8: to see almost lose their job at the end.

1132
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: Of well, yeah, let's step in. When the Panthers went

1133
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: to Scripts and Jessica Blaylock, who was covering both the

1134
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: Panthers and the Marlins for almost a decade, both of

1135
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: those because they're part of the same network. When they

1136
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: split up to the on separate platforms, she had to choose, like, well,

1137
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: I think it was the Marlins that kind of didn't

1138
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: exactly find a way to balance that schedule now that

1139
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: they were part of two separate broadcast entities, and she

1140
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: ends up staying with the Panthers and going away from

1141
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: the Marlins, and that was a big I think all

1142
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: of us agreed that was a pretty big loss.

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00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 5: Was also they have so they would have to they

1144
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 5: would have to make a choice between one and the other.

1145
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 5: Then I'm just he and the Marlins go to the

1146
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 5: same spot, just using.

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00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Her as an example, like her particular negotiation would let

1148
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: them do it. But like so it's yeah, I think

1149
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: it depends on a case by case basis that this

1150
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: is it's more complicated. You bring up and Sacco and

1151
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: in both them that it's if we're used to work

1152
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: on the same platform and obviously ends almost certainly that

1153
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: won't be the case that wherever the Heat go and

1154
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: or the Marlins go are going to be separate companies.

1155
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, it just creates it more complicated. It does

1156
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: make them put them in a situation where they may

1157
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: have to choose because of that extra hoop to chip through.

1158
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: In line with a question that was asked about how

1159
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: good or bad you know or does do TV deals

1160
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: make make and revenue staring make teams better? Yes, yes,

1161
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: and if that is not present for the Marlins, yes,

1162
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: for a temm the Marlins. Absolutely, it is a huge factor,

1163
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: as Isaac was saying, it's a huge factor in payroll. Directly,

1164
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: we're linked to payroll and other things, but in a

1165
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: lot of ways link to payroll. So my thing and

1166
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: we may never know the answer to the question. But

1167
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: with this company missing payments and going bankrupt and filing

1168
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: Chapter eleven and all these other things that happened with

1169
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: this now disaster of a company, they're trying to sell

1170
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: to somebody in London and that's not working out. That

1171
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: whole story is crazy. What's going on with that company

1172
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: main Street Sports. So if you want to read into that,

1173
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: I would encourage you to do so. There's more on

1174
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: there than we can cover on this space in the

1175
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: next five minutes, because we know ELI is busy and

1176
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: UM is coming on. But there's a lot going on

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00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: with that company. There's a lot going on with that situation.

1178
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: The Marlins need to get out of it. But what

1179
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: I would say is, yes, it is directly linked. Forteen

1180
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: small market teams is direct. Payroll is directly impacted by it.

1181
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: And my question that we may never know the answer to,

1182
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: as I was saying, is how much has this impacted

1183
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: the Marlins and their decisions with payroll?

1184
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: Could they have done more if this wasn't in the way.

1185
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: We probably want ever know the answer to those questions,

1186
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: but it is interesting to fathom exactly how much this

1187
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: has affected the Marrows, because I think it is significant.

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00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, they they signed they spent three million

1189
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 6: last year, they spend five million the year before. They've

1190
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 6: spent fifteen sixteen million this year. Well, they also save

1191
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 6: a few with Kaber being traded. They've spent more of

1192
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 6: this offseason than they have the last two. So but

1193
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 6: you're right, maybe they spend twenty five million if this

1194
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 6: wasn't you know, over their heads.

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00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 4: But you know, I see what you mean.

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00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: There's other factors too. I mean, they have the WBC

1197
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: this year. That's going to be a huge revenue.

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00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 4: Share, right, it's very small, but yeah, they.

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Speaker 2: Did have we know that lone Depot doesn't directly fund

1200
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: the Marlins, but they also had the Winner Classic, which

1201
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Martins will get some from that, and they had exposure

1202
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: from that too with players being there and everything else.

1203
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 2: So there has been help from some bigger events coming

1204
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: down here too to help out. So I'm not saying

1205
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: that it's only because of that that they spent more

1206
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 2: money this season. They've had a little bit of help

1207
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: to cover the difference from the TV thing. But I

1208
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: I think if this is not in place, that they

1209
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: would have spent a little bit more, but you know,

1210
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: or they at least would have had the leash to

1211
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: spend a little bit more. So I do think that

1212
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: this is impacting the team and has impacted team, and

1213
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 2: they just need to find a new way.

1214
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for reminding me the Canes game and

1215
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: the fact that I wanted to do a prediction time

1216
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: that was Canes related. Yes, the Bowl coming up between

1217
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: the Miami Hurricanes and Old Miss, and I think Miami

1218
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: is slightly favored according to what most people think. I've

1219
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: always been somebody that's a little hesitant to believe that

1220
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: they are truly back as a Miami alum. But let's

1221
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: let's get out of here on this. I'll put on

1222
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: the music. We'll start with Sean, because Sean has been

1223
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: quiet for a while. He's gonna lead us off. What

1224
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: is your yes the bull prediction with the final score

1225
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: as well?

1226
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 7: Okay, well, in terms of betting, I do think.

1227
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 8: You're gonna have to start speaking because you're underwater.

1228
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well are you good enough?

1229
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: All right?

1230
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 7: Well, I think I think Ale Miss covers the spread

1231
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 7: of three and a half, but I do think Miami wins,

1232
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna go with Miami twenty three, ole Miss twenty.

1233
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Okay, isaacad zoom your prediction for the college college football

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00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: expert yere.

1235
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 4: The Miami Hurricanes are going to go to their national

1236
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: title game. They're gonna win tonight, and I'll even give

1237
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: you one more Latchie, Tony. Anytime touchdown score, You're welcome.

1238
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 5: Definitely college football, Malachi to please dude, all right, Kevin,

1239
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 5: you know ball.

1240
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 8: Yeah I do.

1241
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 5: And if anyone knows me, they know that I really

1242
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: don't care who wins this game. So I will go

1243
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: with the Hurricanes to win. Final score thirty one seventeen,

1244
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 5: Malachi Tony, I was like, two touchdowns.

1245
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: What kind of a name is that, Alex Carter.

1246
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you another name Isac.

1247
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback will Miss. I

1248
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: think I think he's a star. I think he's gonna

1249
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: run all over the place tonight.

1250
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go that. It's gonna be a close game.

1251
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: But this is where the dream ends for the Hurricanes

1252
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: and Trinidad Chamblas is gonna be the MVP of the game.

1253
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: Ole Miss is gonna win twenty four to seventeen.

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: I'll be uncharacteristically optimistic about my Canes tonight. Miami went

1255
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: twenty three thirteen. The way that things have lined up

1256
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: for them in this college football playoff fields that has been

1257
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: very fortuitous. They've also their defense as to turnaround from

1258
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: just last year to this year has.

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00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 8: Blown me away.

1260
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think they win by a double digits

1261
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: and head on to the national championship game. Okay, that's

1262
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