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Speaker 1: USC was quote unquote supposed to finish finished strong, Arizona

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Speaker 1: just use pack twelve numbers. That way, that way, the

431
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Speaker 1: the way you know that this is the body, that

432
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: this is the low end. Twenty one million dollars times

433
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Speaker 1: twelve teams as two hundred and fifty two million dollars

434
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: in one year. Multiply that time to four years until

435
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: there's another TV contract. You're a billion dollars behind the

436
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: big ten a billion dollars. And the SEC just signed

437
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: a new contract with CBS, leaving CBS for their game

438
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: of the week. So for fifteen or sixteen games for

439
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: the SEC Game of the week, they're gonna make a

440
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. That's more than the entire Pack twelve

441
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Tier one slate. So all these night games, Thursday night games,

442
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, you are giving the worst slate

443
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: with this already the second worst. Late's possible. The only

444
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: thing worse is maction on Tuesdays. Correct. So this I'll

445
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: say this, and this is probably the most important if

446
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: you only take away one thing from anything that I

447
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: say in this podcast or even any of the previous podcast,

448
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: this is the most important thing that I'll say. In baseball,

449
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: you have the Yankees, and when your players get good,

450
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: the Yankees come and take them. Right now, the Dodgers,

451
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: You've got these teams with these enormous payrolls that can

452
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: come in and they can get your guy that can

453
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: offer up prospects that can outfid you when it comes

454
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: time for for free agency. The Yankees are the villain, right.

455
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who love the Yankees and

456
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: their history and everything like that. But the way that

457
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: the Yankees are built and structured with you know, y

458
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: S network and everything like that, they are always going

459
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: to be able to get what they want if they

460
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: truly wanted. Now, Kansas City Royals they have money, right,

461
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: they have money. Their payroll is in the millions. It's

462
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: not like they're sisters of the poor. But compared to

463
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Speaker 1: the Yankees, you know that if the Yankees want a

464
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: Kansas City Royal, they're gonna get that. Kansas City Royal

465
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: by hook or by crook. Now, in college football, imagine

466
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: that the Pack twelve is the Kansas City Royals, and

467
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: there are four New York Yankees out there representing four

468
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: other major college conferences. There if if one, if one

469
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Yankees team puts its eyes on on your prospect, on

470
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: your player and decides we're gonna get them, and you

471
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: know that they eventually will. Imagine if there's four Yankees

472
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: all surrounding one Kansas City Royals, you're not ever going

473
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: to have a chance. And I genuinely believe that if

474
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Speaker 1: the income disparity continues to increase at the rate that

475
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: it's increasing, we are going to get to the point

476
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: where PAC twelve sec out of conference scheduling are pay

477
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: games were and m is giving one point five million

478
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: dollars to the University of California to get them to

479
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: come to college station. I believe it. And now the

480
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: name is paying Cow one point nine million dollars to

481
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: come to to to to their stadium. So we're there now,

482
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: And that's yep. And that that Tony White to Syracuse State.

483
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: Remember the a SEC was at the bottom of the

484
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: of the money situation of the conference. Now the a

485
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Speaker 1: SEC with their new deal with ESPN. Now what they're

486
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: going now they have more money, So then you're losing.

487
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: You just lost the defensive coordinator in Tony White to

488
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: a lateral position for to the A C C. And

489
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: not to Miami, not the Florida State, not to UH

490
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: North Carolina, who's on the uptick right now. You lost

491
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: them the Syracuse Syracuse is technically on the uptick sort

492
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: even though they have backslide this year. But still you

493
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: shouldn't lose a coach there, not over money. And it's

494
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: just like money causes. Money is the biggest factor in divorce.

495
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: It's not cheating, it's not infidelity, it's it's money. Whether

496
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: it's financial infidelity or whether it's you know, not being

497
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: able to agree who makes more money, all of these things,

498
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: money is the biggest thing. The money is going to

499
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: cause the Pack twelve to divorce. And here is how

500
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: I know this. If you look at U C. L A,

501
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: who is who ran in an eighteen million, eight point

502
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: four eighteen point four million dollar deficit last year, they're

503
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: projected to run in a deficit again this season. Cal

504
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: is near running in a deficit. And mind you, their

505
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: coaches are not even at the top of the pay scale.

506
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: And then you have Oregon State and Washington State who

507
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: need financial who need finances to to survive. The the boosters,

508
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: the donors of these schools. I've talked to some of them.

509
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: Here is what they have to say. They said, our

510
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: TV deal is untenable and you cannot wait until to

511
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: get out of it. But they're like, oh, it's a contract,

512
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: yeah it don't you see, people renegotiate deals all the time.

513
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: They do because it's in everybody's best financial interest. The uh,

514
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: Larry Scott, who's technically doing two jobs, which should be

515
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: two jobs running the network. You need a skill polished

516
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: network person to run the network, and you need a

517
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: commissioner that's to two million dollar jobs and you still

518
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: save like six hundred thousand dollars, so you so that

519
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: needs to get broken up, and then you focus on

520
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: getting out of your TV deals and into something that

521
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: is financially viable for everybody and something that scales up,

522
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: that has escalators and it for the years. That way then,

523
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: because what's gonna happen now is the Pact twelve is

524
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: going to get this big, shiny new contract deal. It's

525
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: gonna be on quote unquote are with everybody else, But

526
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: then everybody else's deals are gonna be up the next

527
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: year the year after, and you're right, and that billion

528
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: dollar gap becomes another billion and a half got dollar gap. Row.

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00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: It's I don't understand. Like I asked a couple of donors,

530
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I said, of major schools, major pack twelve influential schools,

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Speaker 1: what the presidents? And I asked two pack twelve athletic

532
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: directors too, what don't the president see that Larry Scott

533
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: is doing? Because they said that they thought that this

534
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: this potential media sale was a red that it was

535
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: a ruse. It was just like it was it was like, hey, hey,

536
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: hey look, hey look over there, a girl, a girl

537
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: pulled her pants dound, she pulled her top up that

538
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, look, shiny object, that's what they

539
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: were trying to do. I just don't understand why they

540
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: keep falling for this Row. I mean, we can't. These

541
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: are smart, educated people. How don't they see this? I

542
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: think I we talked about it last week. It's just

543
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: sometimes if you're biting the hand that feeds, you know,

544
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and you're in a position where you're actually getting some money,

545
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: that worry of like, how are we going to meet

546
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: our bills if we screw this up? Can It does

547
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: a lot to keep um. It does a whole lot

548
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: to keep Larry Scott in power, because everybody's just kind

549
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: of afraid of what will happen if they don't write

550
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: like I. I the way that I look at it

551
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: is the only way to affect change here is for

552
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: somebody to come in and it has to be a

553
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: top down approach to say, in the same way that

554
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: you would hire a coach who has a bunch of

555
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: recruiting connections, you bring them in and they have a

556
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: bunch of corporate connections that come with them. You know,

557
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: somebody like Connolly's a Rice, you know that you could

558
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: bring in and say like, hey, we want you to

559
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: run the conference. It's worth it to us to make

560
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: this change because you bring in all of your corporate

561
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: connections and that that's That's the only thing that I

562
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: can think of, because I think that there's just not

563
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: enough expertise in the Pact twelve. All the power is

564
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: completely consolidated. That we can comment on Larry Scott's job

565
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: and say we don't feel like he's doing a good job,

566
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: but what we can't say is what he could do better,

567
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: because we really don't know what what all it entails.

568
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: It's such a unique position that he has where he

569
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: is the head of a conference and the head of

570
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: a network and there's not really way to get a

571
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: hold of him, and he's kind of shielded and only

572
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: answers the questions he wants to answer, and you know,

573
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: does stuff like they just came out with a really

574
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: cool thing in any other and this it's almost like,

575
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: I really hate how much we we end up bitching

576
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: about the Pact twelve because the Pact of just came

577
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: out with a partnership with Eco Products, and that'd be

578
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: cool to be able to talk about on a podcast

579
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: like this, of how like they're trying to raise up

580
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: UM and a whare generation of u of environmentally responsible

581
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: students who understand, you know, how to contribute to zero

582
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: waste systems, you know. And I get that that's kind

583
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: of all the rage right now or whatever, But it's

584
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: kind of a cool thing that feels unique to the

585
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. But at the same time, I can't talk

586
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: about it in this with a straight face because in

587
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: that same breath, I know that they announced their partnership

588
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: with a gas station to sponsor the to to sponsor

589
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve Championship just a couple of weeks ago,

590
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: you know. And when you need that money, you're gonna

591
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: take that check, even if it conflicts with the values

592
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: that you're trying to portray. And right now the Pack

593
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: twelve just needs needs cash. And they know they haven't

594
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: done the best job of steward ng um their situation

595
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: in relation to everybody else. But there's nobody coming in

596
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: and saying we need that, we we What you need

597
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: is you need a president or an athletic director to

598
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: stand up and say, you know, not only are am

599
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: I publicly criticizing Larry Scott, but I have a plan

600
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: to move forward. Oh yeah, And that's just that. That

601
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: is what has not happened. You have grumbling behind the scenes,

602
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: and nobody has stood up and said, like, we need

603
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: to move in this new direction. And you see all

604
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: the schools hitting their donors up, hitting their alumnia for

605
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: more donations. But the problem with that is is is

606
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: that you do need booster money, you do need donation

607
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: money for your athletic departments, all of that. The thing

608
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: is is that your school can't rely on that to

609
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: meet its budget every year. That's gotta be icing on

610
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: the cake that's got if some of that has to

611
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: go to reserves, like these are things that that you

612
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: call on them when you need them, because the problem

613
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: is this is that when donors and boosters know that

614
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: there is that you need them to survive, mind you,

615
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: a shrewd businessman. Some of them yes, eco friendly, eco responsible,

616
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: some of them astounding human beings. However, when you know

617
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: that some when someone, when a business or a company

618
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: needs you, what do you then have Ralph Like if

619
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: if if someone knows that they need you to survive,

620
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, if you know that that this business needs

621
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: you to survive, and mind you, they do have some

622
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: things that are add value to you in your life,

623
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: what does that give you leverage or a lack of it?

624
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: It depends on the perspective that you're talking about. And

625
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: and the things that I worry about most is that

626
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: we see a lot of coaching changes being made based

627
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: on how a couple of will feel, um who who

628
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: have just a ton of financial leverage. And the other

629
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: thing I worry about is George, Like, we're living in

630
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: a pretty incredible economy right now, especially for the people

631
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: who are at the top of it. You know, maybe

632
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: not everybody, but the people that that that are at

633
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: the top of this current economy right now are having

634
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: a real good time. But that can go away in

635
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: a matter of a couple of decisions made by any

636
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: particular administration um or any particular you know, economic set

637
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: of circumstances. We have to be probably on the verge

638
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: of some other kind of housing bubble, and when it

639
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: might might not be as severe as two thousand and eight,

640
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: but when it happens, you are going to see a

641
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: shift in financial priorities. And if you have become dependent

642
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: on money that's essentially supposed to serve as an excess,

643
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: and you haven't been responsible stewards of of the things

644
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: that you're bringing in, and then all of a sudden

645
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: you can't cash in on promises that were made to

646
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: help you build suites and upgrade fields and and and

647
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: do all of these other things, or just meet your

648
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: your coaching salaries, you're gonna be in huge trouble. Especially

649
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: if you're a school like U C. L A. You

650
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: already have a shortfall, like a lot of Pack twelve

651
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: schools are really playing with fire right now. And I

652
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: think that some of the other conferences will really be

653
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: able to withstand some of that because those checks that

654
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: come from the the television networks like those will always

655
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: be good. Those checks are always going to come in.

656
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: The sports is the one thing that that that sort

657
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: of keeps that whole economy aflow. As far as live

658
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: television or any of the different streaming services, they're all

659
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: really built around our love of sport, and even in

660
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: a down economy, we're gonna use sports to escape and

661
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: want to have it entertain us and everything like that.

662
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: It'll be everybody else who kind of suffers. Uh. And

663
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: and so it's weird that the Pack twelve is making

664
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: the least amount of money and also feels the most

665
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: vulnerable right now. Mhm, I I asked. I said, okay,

666
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: so why don't they just ousd Larry Larry Scott And

667
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: they said, if you're going to kill the king, you

668
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: better make sure you kill the king. Like, well, sorry,

669
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go after the king, you better make

670
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: sure you kill the king. Because there are a bunch

671
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: of schools, at least five that I know of, that

672
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: one Larry Scott gone that would vote for him to

673
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: go now, but there has to be a it's going

674
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: to be a unanimous vote if they do it. But

675
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: they also can't miss because if they do, the conference

676
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: can then punish them with with with schedules, with TV program.

677
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much that Larry Scott could do

678
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: to punish people who tried to get him out. And

679
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: as you see more more new presidents come in because

680
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: you could because you've seen new presidents at different schools

681
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: over the last couple years, you're going to see a

682
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: shift away from what Larry Scott is selling. Because his

683
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: contract is up in two so you know he's gonna

684
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: throw something out there say oh man, we we gotta

685
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: get ready for this TV contract. And I deserve a

686
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: raise too because I'm gonna be leading the leading the

687
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: forefront of this. So it's it's absolutely awful. It's terrible.

688
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: But all this money stuff then trickles down back to

689
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: the beginning of coach of players leaving the pack twelve

690
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: and coaches leaving the pack twelve, which is the recruiting

691
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: budgets and the recruiting budgets. We found some numbers from

692
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: Stadium that talked about the nineteen recruiting budgets. You look

693
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: at George, Georgia spent by far the most two point

694
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: six million dollars. And then then you got Texas, Clemson, Alabama, Texas,

695
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: A and M, Florida State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State,

696
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: l s U, Oklahoma, Nebraska. Is there a theme there, Ralph?

697
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not hearing a lot of patrol schools. Yeah,

698
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: and and there are named brand teams, name brand teams,

699
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: I think. Okay. So Georgia spent two points uh six

700
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: million dollars in their recruiting there. Twenty eighteen had the

701
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: number one class. Twenty nineteen came back to the second

702
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: class Alabama fifth and first, Texas third and third. These

703
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: are and you get a lot of five star kids

704
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: and the pact twelve in total, between fourteen teams spent

705
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: about in million dollars in recruiting. How are you supposed

706
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: to keep up, bro, I don't know. Maybe maybe this

707
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: is a bubble as well. Um. The the only thing

708
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: that's keeping this competitive right now George's scholarship limits. Because

709
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: imagine if there weren't any, you know, you would you

710
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: would have even more, you'd have forty kids. And then

711
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, you just have to hit the transfer portal.

712
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: We have forty fifty kids trying to go to Clemson,

713
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: show up, make their way on that team, and and

714
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: that that's that's incredibly scary right now. The only thing

715
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: that is keeping a lot of these football programs afloat

716
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: is the fact that that there is some type of

717
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: ah cap put in on the amount of students that

718
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: a school can bring in, and you know, if they

719
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: have to go somewhere. Yeah, And what what I wonder

720
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: about is if we reach a position where players can

721
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: actually be compensated for their name, image and likeness, will

722
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: some players even need a scholarship? I mean, if they're

723
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: truly truly transcendent, could you go You know, let's say

724
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: that you have somebody who um builds up a huge

725
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: YouTube following in high school, is able to monetize it,

726
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: and then they can look at You know that this

727
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: is obviously an isolated scenario, but you get to the

728
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: point where you can monetize your brand enough to say

729
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't need to be part of the scholarship limits.

730
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: So somebody who you know can go to Clemson on

731
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: top of the that they already have and continue to

732
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: make a salary for the things that they do because

733
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: they're not held down by any of the rules that

734
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: come with maybe carrying a scholarship at that school. And

735
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: as more money gets introduced to the system and more freedom,

736
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: all I see is more opportunities for kids to leave

737
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: to the schools who are doing a better job and

738
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: have more research as and have more ways of getting

739
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: your name out there. Because if you saw, George, if

740
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: you saw the recently released numbers for the um the

741
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: NFL combine invites, the SEC had what over twenty more

742
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: than the next conference. That is going to speak to

743
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: kids more than anything else. Oh, that is recruiting fodder.

744
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: That that is I mean, how do you like? That's

745
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: empirical data that can't be disputed, right, So if i'm

746
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: if I'm like, let's say Bryce Perkins, who transferred from

747
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Arizona State to Arizona Western, which we now talked about,

748
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: did juco football in Arizona's defunct so he wouldn't even

749
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: be able to do that anymore. But he transferred from

750
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: Arizona State to Arizona Western and then ended up at

751
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Virginia and took Virginia to an Orange Bowl. If you

752
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: know anything, about Virginia football. The fact that a quarterback

753
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: could lead them to the Orange Bowl is insane. Uh,

754
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: he did not get an NFL combine invite the next

755
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: Bryce Perkins. Maybe if he has a choice between going

756
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: to Mississippi State in Virginia, what's he going to choose? If?

757
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: If Bryce Perkins can't even get an NFL combine invite

758
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: out of the A C C. If the PAC twelve,

759
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: which I think was third but a distant distant third,

760
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: and the SEC has almost nine people in one draft

761
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: class invited to the NFL combine, what are you gonna

762
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: do even if your choice comes down to like a

763
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: premier program in the PAC twelve versus maybe a lesser

764
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: program in the SEC. I think that that almost every

765
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: metric right now points to an avalanche, points to uh,

766
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, a building snowball effect of the rich will

767
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: continue to get richer. I think a mirror society in

768
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But I think that the you know,

769
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, if they're not going to act right now,

770
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: then they're just they're gonna get swept up in it.

771
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: And we're going to continue to see as we've seen

772
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: with the high level recruits that are leaving California to

773
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: go to Clemson already and LSU already. We're going to

774
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: continue to see the Pack twelve fall further and further

775
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: behind until you can no longer say power five. It's

776
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: gonna be power four than power three. And then you know,

777
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: Pack twelve is going to be that sort of mid

778
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: level triple a above group of five, but below what

779
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: the SEC can offer. And that's probably gonna cause some

780
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: schools to want to leave. Yeah. And and if you

781
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: are a financially solvent team, like you have USC who's

782
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: doing good financially, you have Oregon who's doing good financially.

783
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, don't you have to at some point in

784
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: time look out for for self and say, huh, is

785
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: there a better option for us? I mean whatever, whatever

786
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: that that option is, you have to be you have

787
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: to note that these schools are looking at this saying, huh,

788
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: could there be a better option. I don't know what

789
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: it is yet, but it's worth exploring in case, because

790
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: you never want to get the rug pulled from from

791
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: out from out under. You Like, if you know that

792
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: your company is potentially going bankrupt or potentially being sold

793
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: or something, aren't you gonna start looking for other potential

794
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: employment or opportunities in case that happens, like you're not

795
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: just gonna know that something bad is going on and

796
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: just and just wait right, well, and what if, what if?

797
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: What if your company was going under and you brought

798
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: three ideas to the table that would save the company,

799
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: and the person in charge of the company came out

800
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: against every single one of them. California tried to lead

801
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: the way on name, image and likeness. Larry Scott came

802
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: out against it. They flow to the idea of expanding

803
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: the college football playoff, Larry's Scott came out against it.

804
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: Everybody's pushing back on the idea that the PAC twelve

805
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: plays more conference games, which has a negative effect overall

806
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve is ability to appear on a

807
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: national stage. And Larry Scott came out against evening the odds.

808
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: So it's not like people aren't bringing ideas to the table.

809
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: There is one person currently standing in the way of

810
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve being competitive, and he's also the person

811
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: that's in the driver's seat and has the steering wheel

812
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: in his hands. That's incredibly frustrated, oh for sure, for sure.

813
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the combine invite three hundred and thirty

814
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: seven players, of which two hundred and you know, two

815
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty around there somewhere between two hundred and

816
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: fifty six and two hundred sixty five will be drafted,

817
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: but some of those guys that aren't at the combine

818
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: are gonna get drafted to So ninety three of the

819
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: invites came from the SEC nine three, Big ten, fifty seven,

820
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: Pack twelve forty seven, a CC thirty five, and Big

821
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: ten at twenty nine. So so man four, one out

822
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: of every four players came from the SEC. Right not great, yep, exactly.

823
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: Um oh, the one of the last things up. So

824
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: we've so we've already covered the money. We've already covered that,

825
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: We've already covered the recruiting budgets, and the biggest recruiting

826
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: budget in the PAC twelve. Surprisingly though, was the uh

827
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: the University of Oregon. Well actually, actually I don't think

828
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: that that was a big surprise, but I but I

829
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: did want to talk about how that then turns into

830
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: getting recruits because what actually happens is is so a

831
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: guy like Mario Kris to the ball. So this is

832
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: information that I that I have because I am close

833
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: with some of the boosters, donors, all of others. If

834
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: you look at the week before signing day, Oregon had

835
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: its entire class locked up except for the kid Jalen

836
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: jeff Um the the the kid who flipped from Alabama

837
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: because Alabama wanted to tournament to an old lineman and

838
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: he didn't want to do that. That kid, aside from him,

839
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: they were he was the only kid but besides Wideman,

840
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: but they knew that he wasn't gonna come the wide

841
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: receiver that he ended up going to Tennessee. Aside from that,

842
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: like their recruiting class was pretty much locked up. They

843
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: had the kid on campus the three days before signing day,

844
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: he left to go back home. Mario Crucial, Christoph Baal

845
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: and recruiting staff in the in the last week up

846
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: to signing game. That last week they used one of

847
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: the donors planes. Dates UH logged forty four flight hours

848
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: in seven days over fifteen thousand miles in the air.

849
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: That's not even including the miles that they drove as well,

850
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: because obviously driving is more efficient than flying to some

851
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: some some places, thirty two takeoff and landings they visited

852
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: pretty much allow three kids didn't even while teams were

853
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: scrambling for ones I and a lot of coaches were

854
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: already off, they were on vacation already or just calling

855
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: recruits on the phone. Do you do you think that

856
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Clay Helton is put in putting in those kind of

857
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: kind of hours, or Chip Kelly or and I mean,

858
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: and that's why I think, that's why I like the

859
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: higher and you and I talked about this a couple

860
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: of weeks back. That's why I like to hire of

861
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: Joe moorehead so much, because you you know that Joe

862
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: Moore had is probably gonna get another jobs very soon,

863
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: and you know that they won't really ask him to

864
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: have to recruit that much. So if you give the

865
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: entire offense over to him and just allow Mario to

866
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: be Mario, then you're in a really good position. And

867
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: I think that that's that's something the A s U

868
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of plans to do as well. Have Marvin Lewis

869
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: called the defense, even though he's splitting the Code D

870
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: C role with Antonio Pierce. But you and I both

871
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: know what Antonio Pierce's role is, and you know it's

872
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: to go get kids, and so if he can learn

873
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: the ropes while Mario or while Marvin Lewis is calling

874
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: the defense. Then you have a situation where the schools

875
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: that are going to be the absolute best at recruiting

876
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve are gonna be people who have

877
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: highly paid assassins, you know, completely dedicated to doing exactly that.

878
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: And I mean Crystal Ball is not going to be outworked,

879
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: period and it very much seems like he wants to

880
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: be at Oregon. UM. UH I think that, you know,

881
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: it's there's a direct correlation between UH salary effort and results,

882
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: a direct correlation. And you look at you know, Rob

883
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Likens was fired by a su He was making seven

884
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year and that was good for like

885
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: sixty one overall in the country. Well, that's the offense

886
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get is sixty one overall the country.

887
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: Like that's that's around what you're you know what what

888
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna get. And so that's why it's so important

889
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: to be able to dedicate resources to these things, because

890
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to expect the best unless you're paying for

891
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: the absolute best. And the Pact twelve remains completely dependent

892
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: on getting guys who want to come up from the

893
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: Mountain West. You know, and then the second that they

894
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: prove it in the Pact twelve, they're gonna be poached

895
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: by somebody else because you can't afford to hang on

896
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: to them. And and it's nice when your lead recruiter

897
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: actually ends up being your head coach. And I think

898
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: that that's why Oregon is in such a unique position

899
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: to succeed. And I think that that will end up

900
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: being good for Washington as well, because Jimmy Lake really

901
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: had that reputation as the guy for Chris Peterson. So

902
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: if they can find the right coordinators at Washington and

903
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: the right coordinators at at Oregon, and you can have

904
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: your head coach essentially be the fisher and everybody else

905
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: be the fry cook, and that's that's what you need

906
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: to be successful in this conference. Yeah. Um, now I

907
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: guess it is time for us to you know, stop

908
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: the stop, stop the poop pooing, because well, and I

909
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: think next episode will will cover those Pack twelve SEC

910
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: games that you were talking about Ralph where um where

911
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: you you were talking about how many SEC games that

912
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: there are thirty seven SEC games under contract with from

913
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: Pack twelve SEC opponents into the twenty thirties and a

914
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: lot of them are Mississippi State Texas and m L

915
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: s U Florida, Ole, Miss, Vanderbilt, Auburn, L s U Arkansas.

916
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: And then you got the one game against Alabama. Um yeah,

917
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: yeah with USC this upcoming season, bring Bama to research,

918
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we need. We see how Obama

919
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 1: likes it in in Oregon State Beaver Territory getting Nick

920
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: Saban to leave Alabama for a non conference game too well,

921
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: sorry to play at anybody else's home for is do

922
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: you would have a better chance of swimming with with jaws? Dude,

923
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't have I think their first non

924
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: conference road game is like in and they haven't had

925
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: one in over a decade. It's just been bad. I

926
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: I just don't even understand how you play football like

927
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: like that without a willingness to schedule. Um, but I

928
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: guess onto brighter news sort of, I guess is the

929
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: Pac twelve basketball at one point in time you had

930
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: like four four teams ranked. You know, you got Arizona

931
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: looking real promising, Nico Omannion the whole crew. Sean Miller

932
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: recruited against selling hope. He's the ultimate hope salesman and

933
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: he had Dana Altman and Oregon doing a good job,

934
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, consistent, they can be counted on in the

935
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: conference to make the tournament. And then when when a

936
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: couple of games in there, you got McK cronin went

937
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: to U c l A thinking things, they're gonna, you know,

938
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: move in the right direction. Usc surprises, Stanford surprises. Now

939
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: you're looking at Wow, there may be five Pack twelve

940
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: teams that will make the tournament. And now shortly before

941
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve tournament is getting ready to happen, the

942
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: conference standings looked like they did for football. Everybody's got

943
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's five and six for eight and three,

944
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: seven and four, except for Washington, who's an abysible two

945
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: and nine in Oregon State who's four and seven. I

946
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: don't understand, Ralph, I do not understand what the hell

947
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: is going on. You gotta watch out too because Washington.

948
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: I watched them for a couple of games this last week,

949
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: both losses. But my goodness, are they talented and they

950
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: just don't really have a point guard. But they're so big,

951
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: and they're so strong and and they definitely have the

952
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: ability to upset anybody. I would not be surprised if

953
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: Washington clip Colorado the next time they play. So there's

954
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: a ridiculous amount of party you. I mean, you wouldn't

955
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: say that in football, though. You wouldn't say, like, oh,

956
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: I bet Arizona beats Oregon. Not last year, right, um,

957
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: this year, I think Washington could beat any one of

958
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: these teams on any given night. And that's wild to me. Um,

959
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 1: Colorado is playing really really well right now. The only

960
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: ranked teams are Colorado at sixteen, in Oregon at seventeen.

961
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Arizona and do themselves any favors taking a enormous loss

962
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: to u c l A the other night. U c

963
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: l A went oh and two on an Arizona road

964
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: trip in which they only allowed uh one field goal

965
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: to a s U in the final eleven minutes and

966
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: that was the game winner from Remy Martin. And they

967
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: didn't allow a field goal in the final eight minutes

968
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: to Arizona. Um, and they lost that game as well.

969
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: And so you know, I have no idea what's going

970
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: on with the USC offensively, um, but I feel like

971
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: they could be good as well. U c l A

972
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: is so hit and miss, you know, Um, this is

973
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: probably the worst offensive team that Bobby Hurley has had

974
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: at Arizona State. But they're just sort of finding a

975
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: way to effort their way into some of these games.

976
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: And then Arizona I don't even know what to think

977
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: of of the University of Arizona. It was that like, oh, yeah,

978
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: they're very bad on the road and they're very good

979
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: at home, and then they get blown out by u

980
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: c l A. They only shoot, They've got three of

981
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: the top you know, forty freshmen in the country on

982
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: their team, and they don't play well together. The Sean

983
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: Miller doesn't pound the ball inside. It's not like the

984
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: guys he's had their soft Lori Markin and DeAndre Ayton.

985
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: Now uh you know, now they have their Zeke Nagi,

986
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: their big center, and it's it's it's like they either

987
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: try to find a hole in the zone or get

988
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: somebody loose off a pick. Otherwise they're not going down low.

989
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: They just jack up threes and that's not how you're

990
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: gonna win. Meanwhile, Oregon is playing everybody close. They're twelve

991
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: and a home and four and four on the road.

992
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: What is up with those splits? And and it's not

993
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: like it's much better for Colorado either because they're eight

994
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: and three in the conference and all three losses have

995
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: come on the road, and they've got a lot of

996
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: their games are on the road. They play Thursday at Oregon,

997
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna see if Colorado at really deserves

998
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: to be in the conversation as an elite pack to

999
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: a basketball team. Um. But I the more I watched

1000
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: this and the more inconsistent that everybody is, the less

1001
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: trust I have for every single one of these teams,

1002
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: and we could end up in a situation a lot

1003
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: closer to last year, um than we thought it was

1004
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 1: going to be just a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,

1005
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: but but by not having any one dominant team or

1006
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: two dominant teams in the league, that actually makes the

1007
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: rest of the team look look worse. Because if if

1008
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: you just had Oregon in Colorado, or Oregon in Arizona,

1009
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: or Colorado in Arizona just dominating the conference, just you know,

1010
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: with one or two conference losses, everybody else is sitting

1011
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: at three and four and they're kind of beating each

1012
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: other up. But then you know, it makes everything look better,

1013
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: I think, but now you're gonna be looking at Okay,

1014
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: so Oregon in Colorado are locks to get in a tournament,

1015
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: I think, and then you got Arizona. I mean I

1016
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: could see I would Arizona for some reason. Their resume

1017
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: is impressing the folks who were in charge of analytics

1018
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: and numbers, and it's it feels very much like Arizona

1019
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: would have to do something so terrible to be left out.

1020
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: So I feel like you have three teams because I

1021
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 1: feel like Colorado is probably gonna go four and three

1022
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: to end the season. That's me being conservative. Um, I

1023
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: feel like Oregon is is maybe going to do a

1024
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: little bit better, and and then you know, I just

1025
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't see Arizona completely crapping out. To me, there

1026
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: are three guaranteed teams right now. It was really up

1027
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: to what the l A schools and Arizona State do

1028
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: down the line in order to make them look viable.

1029
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: Arizona State is gonna have to go five and three

1030
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: and maybe when I pack twelve conference game to be

1031
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: considered a viable tournament team and not have three years

1032
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: in a row where they're the last four. Um. But

1033
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: it's really up to the l A schools on whether

1034
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 1: or not this conference is gonna look good heading into

1035
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: the postseason. Yeah, and when you look at the net

1036
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: rankings that they're using now to help find who should

1037
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: be in the tournament, that's the n C double A

1038
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: evaluation tool. You have Arizona sitting at number ten in

1039
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: the country with Quadrant one wins that means home wins

1040
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: over top thirty teams, neutral court teams over top fifty teams,

1041
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: and road wins over top seventy five teams. But they're

1042
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: only two and five and there at number ten, Colorado

1043
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: is at number sixteen, and the Oregons that number twenty five.

1044
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: And I'm just like in Stanford's at number thirty, U

1045
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: c l A at forty seven, I'm like, how does

1046
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: this make sense? I mean it, it's one of the

1047
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: more puzzling things that I've ever seen. Like it's almost

1048
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: like wins and losses don't matter. It's a oh oh,

1049
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: if you played and you lose, don't worry about it,

1050
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I just don't understand. And then

1051
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: I got a guy that I go to for questions

1052
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: about that, because I will be very very honest, the

1053
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: more I try to understand it, the less I understand.

1054
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: To me, like, alright, be good teams and trying not

1055
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: to lose and it will all take care of itself.

1056
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: But it's not that you know, that isn't always necessarily

1057
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: the case. The thing that always trips me up is

1058
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: you've got these teams that that nearly go undefeated but

1059
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: don't play in major conferences. You know, they're ranked in

1060
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: the top ten a p and then when the time

1061
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: comes around, there like a five seed or a sixth seed,

1062
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: and so you know, I know that, uh, you know

1063
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: that definitely lessens the importance of these top twenty five

1064
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: rankings from week to week. But I really only really

1065
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: like to look at it as the conference tournaments are

1066
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: going around, because everything just bounces around so much and

1067
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: the margin for error is so small that all you

1068
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 1: can do is put your head down and go try

1069
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: to win games because you really never know. We and

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Speaker 1: we've seen plenty of occasions where, especially in some of

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Speaker 1: these smaller conferences, you know, a school like Oakland will

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Speaker 1: go into the conference tournament with a losing record than

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Speaker 1: win the conference tournament outright and then end up in

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Speaker 1: the in in you know, keeping a twenty six and

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Speaker 1: four team completely out of the tournament because only one

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Speaker 1: team can represent from the smaller conferences. So I just

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Speaker 1: I really don't pay too much attention um until those

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Speaker 1: conference tournaments start to hit, because just the the amount

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Speaker 1: that things can fluctuate before then is mind blowing. Yeah there, there,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot. And then you never know with this conference,

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Speaker 1: who will sneak up and win the tournament and just

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Speaker 1: get in And then all of a sudden everything is

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Speaker 1: just blown up and you may see some teams you know,

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Speaker 1: get pushed out or pushed pushed in. So if you

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Speaker 1: had to judge, now, Ralph, how many teams do you

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Speaker 1: think are going to get in the tournament? Because I

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Speaker 1: do agree with you, because the net loves Arizona, Colorado

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Speaker 1: and Oregon are getting in for sure. Then there's you know, Stanford,

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Speaker 1: USC and Arizona State and U c l A. I

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Speaker 1: guess sort of like, who do you ultimately think wins

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Speaker 1: the back twelve tournament and who do you think gets in?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say optimistically five. I believe Arizona State

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Speaker 1: can can squeak in. I believe that USC is just

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Speaker 1: too talented. They're inconsistent, but they're too talented to not

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Speaker 1: make it. I think U c l A probably end

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Speaker 1: up being the odd team out. But I would say Colorado,

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Speaker 1: ore Agon, USC, Arizona State, and I mean, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: I'd have to throw U c l A in there,

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Speaker 1: but no Arizona Arizona. So I think Arizona will be

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Speaker 1: in and then U c l A Will be on

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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. Okay, And who do you think

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Speaker 1: ultimately wins the back twelve tournament? Oh? Man, they looked

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01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: so bad. They're just so poorly coached. But I want

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Speaker 1: to believe, because they haven't truly turned it on yet,

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Speaker 1: that Arizona will have the ability to get that done. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Something about those conference tournaments that allow teams to really

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Speaker 1: stay in a rhythm because you're playing every single night

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Speaker 1: and not having four or five days in between games.

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Speaker 1: And I think if that team catches fire with the

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Speaker 1: amount of talent that they have on it, there's not

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Speaker 1: much you're gonna be able to do. And I don't

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Speaker 1: trust Oregon because they play to the level of whatever

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Speaker 1: competition they have at any given time. It would also

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Speaker 1: it would not be insane to me to have a

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Speaker 1: team like Washington come in and win two or three

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Speaker 1: games just because they are so big upfront and and

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Speaker 1: they're talent. Yeah, two particular lot of repicks future lot

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Speaker 1: of reis mm hm exactly. But and you know, and

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Speaker 1: and if their three point shooting is on and any

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Speaker 1: given night, and they're another team that just jacks up

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Speaker 1: shots that are very unwise. But if it's on, if

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Speaker 1: it's working one night, then you know, what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Um? I But I yeah, I would say

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Speaker 1: that my favorite to win it are the two teams

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Speaker 1: that I feel like have the most talent but haven't

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Speaker 1: maximized it get and that's either Arizona or USC. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that the top two teams

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Speaker 1: in the line because they get a bye for the

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Speaker 1: for the first round, right yeah, yeah, So I think

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Speaker 1: that those two teams have the best ability to win

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Speaker 1: the conference only because these teams are so inconsistent that

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Speaker 1: winning four games seems impossible for anybody. Yeah, And it

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Speaker 1: might feel like we're disrespecting Colorado, but I personally feel

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Speaker 1: like Colorado is built maybe more for for to play

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Speaker 1: some competition that isn't Pack twelve. I think they have

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Speaker 1: kind of a unique style that I think would hold

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Speaker 1: up in the actual Yes. Yeah. Meanwhile, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think that anybody in the Pact twelve is intimidated by

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Speaker 1: them at all. I think they're just kind of finding

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Speaker 1: ways to win night in the night out um if

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Speaker 1: Tyler Bay is having a good night and and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they're just super well coached. That's what it

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Speaker 1: comes down to. I think that they they're the one

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Speaker 1: team that doesn't UM. You know, outside of Dana Altmon.

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Speaker 1: It feels like always really maximizes UM and I thought

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Speaker 1: this would be a down year for Oregon, so that's

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're still ranked this far into the

1148
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Speaker 1: season is just another credit to him. UM. But I

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01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: feel like Colorado's coaching staff really gets the most out

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Speaker 1: of their players and talent, and that's why I would

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Speaker 1: trust them the most in in that tournament setting. When

1152
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Speaker 1: it comes to Pack twelve tournament, I just don't think

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Speaker 1: any team in the entire Pack twelve has any respect

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Speaker 1: for any other team, So I have to default to talent,

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Speaker 1: and to me, Colorado is not the most talented team.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why I'm defaulting to whoever finishes number one

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Speaker 1: and number two and get to buy They'll have to

1158
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Speaker 1: win three games instead of four games, and I'm taking

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Speaker 1: one of them to win it. Because I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that any of these teams is capable of

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Speaker 1: winning four straight games. I just don't because they haven't

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Speaker 1: done it. I mean, yes, Colorado is on a three

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Speaker 1: game winning streak. You got Arizona State on the three

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Speaker 1: game win street. There are no four game winning streaks

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Speaker 1: running around Pack twelve right now, so so I just

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Speaker 1: don't believe it until until I see it. I will

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Speaker 1: not believe it so right now today because their number

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Speaker 1: one and number two in the conference. Give me Colorado

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Speaker 1: or Oregon to win the Pack twelve championship, and whoever

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Speaker 1: finished in number one and number two spots, that's who's

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Speaker 1: gonna win the turn fair enough. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: listening to the Pack twelve Apostles. We appreciate your time,

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Remember to hit him up at Ralph Amson,

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: hit me up at George Rice Stir or the at

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles Twitter as well. Thank you guys, peace out,

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Speaker 1: catch you guys later.