1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian. They call it a thermostat assembly module, 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: but on the other side of the engine it's a 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: thermostat housing, because that's what it looks like. The Car Doctor, 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: I think they're probably worn out. That's why there the 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: one doing it. Well, they could be, Uh, they could be, 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: but you know what the question is, you don't know, 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: so you could play what if all day long. Welcome 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron and Nian the Car Doctor, 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: call in the garage. Orders are open, but I am 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: here to take your calls. At eight five five six 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and now he running. Well, we are just rolling along 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: this hour and we're sort of electrified, uh this weekend 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: here on the Car Doctors, we're talking e vs and uh, 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: well I shouldn't say evs, we should say electrical electrical 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: transportation devices um as per doctor Mark. We were speaking 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: to him last hour regarding electrical airplanes and and some 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: other things they're going on. But this hour we're gonna 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: continue at Chuck kin Kaid is with us. He is 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: our he is our mentor so to speak, in the background. 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: He's the global business development guy over at Redline Detection 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: red Light Detection dot Com. But I also think he's 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: he's probably one of the smartest guys I know. Although 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by smart guys this weekend, I have to 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: say that in terms of what's going on in the 28 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: industry and electric vehicles and electrification, maybe it's a better 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: way to say it. Let's bring Chuck in. Chuck, you're there, sir, 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: A cool beans um. You know, I'm curious. We were 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: in in the previous hour. We were talking about redline Detection. 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: Has you know, certain pieces of equipment for electrical vehicle 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: service and one of them is their their battery integrity tester. 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Is that a good way to say that? What did 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: you You had another name for it, right? Yeah? We 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: actually call it the bc l D b c l D, 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: which is a battery and coolant leak detector, which is 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: it's basically an enclosure and a coolant loop tester with 39 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: a fine feature you can pinpoint leaks. Is there are 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: we allowed to talk about this? Is there a price 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: point there? I'm just trying to give the listeners an 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: idea of what it costs. You know that that it's 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: not electric vehicles show up and they won't cost anything 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: to maintain or or service. Is there is there is 45 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: there a cost factor we can kind of discuss. Of course, 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: there's well, you know there there We don't have set 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: pricing for something like that. The reason for that is 48 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: that because we work with so many different oi's right now, 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: and really this is not an aftermarket product at least today. Um, 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, we have every OE has a little bit 51 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: different configuration and so it's kind of all over the 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: map right now. But you know, it's it's basically it's 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: a test device. Um, you know, we you know, we 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: try to uh you know, put some pokeyoki if you will, 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: in there right so you don't make mistakes. I'm using it. 56 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: It's software based, you know, you run it through a 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: PC and you can get a report, right, So you 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: can run a test and get a report. It's very 59 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: similar to like running a scan using your diagnostic tool, 60 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: arning a post scan report. For example. Is it five grand, 61 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: ten grand, fifteen grand, twenty grand grand. Yeah, it depends 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: on the configuration and the markets and um, but yeah, yeah, 63 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: I think you're on the right track. It's it's in 64 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: the thousands of dollars, um, you know, and it really 65 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: just depends, right if we're working with engineering. Um, you know, 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: some of those versions are a little bit more expensive 67 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: if you're getting a full version that does everything, and 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: they're a little bit more expensive of course. Um. Maybe 69 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, if they're pairing down, it's you know, maybe 70 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: it's just doing a little pressure. There's no fine feature 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: because you know that maybe a particularly doesn't want to 72 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: the dealer looking for the leak or repairing it there 73 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: because they're doing battery swapping. Um, you know, it's a 74 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: lot less. So yeah, well we'll see. I mean we're 75 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: actually starting you know, um, you know, exploring that in 76 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: the collision industry and um, you know, it's it's just 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: a place where you know, they've been dealing with EVS 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: ongoing and you know, and there's a lot of questions 79 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: there and there's a lot of challenges, right, Um, a 80 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of needs for training uh there 81 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: as well on on what's going on with electric vehicles 82 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: and you know, and everything that comes along with that, 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: right with what you know, insurance companies and you know, 84 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: everyone's trying to figure this out right now, look at you. 85 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: You get your first segue live on radio because I 86 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: know what's coming next. You're gonna bring in Dirk Fuchs, 87 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: aren't you want you introduce him for everybody, that's right. So, 88 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: so through this, UM, I met Dirk Foods, who's UM 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: he's the director for program and Services at i CAR, 90 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: and i CAR is the training body, among other things 91 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: for the collision industry. And we've been collaborating, um ever since. 92 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: And um, you know, Dirk is been doing training. I 93 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: think it's work for v US and and another places 94 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: of doing training has been in the industry for quite 95 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: some time. And UM, yeah, so we've we've been collaborating 96 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: most of the year actually this year, and and and 97 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: I would expect nothing less from Redline Detection that you 98 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: guys are collaborating also with the best of the best, 99 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: because that's what i CAR is. Let's talk to Dirk 100 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: for a while, Chuck, and I'll come back to you. 101 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: So sit tight, Dirk, are you there, sir? Yes, I am. UM. 102 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: Welcome toward Welcome toward Yeah, yeah, Um, you know, it's 103 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's it's it's just been a 104 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: crazy couple of hours here doing radio today talking with 105 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: all you guys about e VS. Um so you do 106 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: you do I car training now you know Dr Mark? 107 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: Does you know training technician sort of a different You're 108 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: more in the body shop side, correct, that's where I 109 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: Car lives and breeds. Can you tell us a little 110 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: bit about it us? Of course? Um you know, I 111 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Cars and loan for profit organization what serves the coalition industry. 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: But we got founded by this industry, and yeah, we 113 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: make sure that technicians have the right education to work 114 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: on modern cars like electric dehisions for example. Um yeah. 115 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: And in these regards, we have as well our Electric 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: Vehicle certification training in place. What is built under European 117 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: regulations and they always he in the United States we 118 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: don't have any regulation in place that determines what the 119 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: technician has to know before he is allowed to work 120 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: on those cars. So here, yeah, do whatever you want 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: to do, um and don't die. That's that's maybe the 122 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: most important thing. Um so. And we try to help 123 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: here and educate those technicians and um as Mark, we 124 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: talk as well with a lot of manufacturers and consulting 125 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: to them and that. But you want to find out 126 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: what technicians, What is the best education for technician in 127 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: that space of coolition? What is a little bit different 128 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: as the service approach? Definitely right now. We were talking 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: before the show today and you know you had shared 130 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: with me, um and everyone that you know. In Europe, 131 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: the technician goes through a certification program and if he 132 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have that certification, he doesn't work on the car. 133 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: In Europe, It's it's not necessarily that way here though. 134 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Is that a correct statement? Absolutely? You know he is 135 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: more like there comes a car in and the technician 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: will work on it. He will fix it. There is 137 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: nothing what can stop him. In yourp it's a little 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: bit of different story than the political way how things 139 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: are running over there. Um, a lot of things getting 140 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: a little bit over over regulated, let's say it that way. Um. 141 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: But honestly, when it comes to a technology like high 142 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: voltage technology, where your life is on a thread, when 143 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: you make a mistake, a mistake can be really really 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: um yeah, possibility that you're not survived the mistake is 145 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: really high. So the first thing what I learned wrong 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: when I came to the United States is the training approach. 147 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: And I'm living here now since eight years. The training 148 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: between Europe and the United States is completely different. Here 149 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: is it more like problem and solution based. What is 150 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: the problem, what is the solution? How I can stick 151 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: it as fast as possible. In Europe the education based 152 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: a little bit more knowledge driven. UM. What means UM? 153 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: I had a good friend who said that whose Germans 154 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: are crazy. They want to know how it works, like 155 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: into the detail. And I don't know why we are 156 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: like this, um, but when it comes to electric vehicle 157 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: it helps a lot. Then, UM, I would like to 158 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: target a little bit more in the show about what 159 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: technists really have to know. What are the risks right 160 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: now out there? How is shop get prepared for electric vehicles? 161 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: That's the things we really right now drives me and 162 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: drives what we're doing and what I'm doing on a 163 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: daily day. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's let's let's 164 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: let's pull over, take a pause. When we come back, 165 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: I want to start at the top of our list. 166 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: You know we've got a list putting together that Uh, 167 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about battery concussion. 168 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: Can we start there and work our way down that 169 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: list that you and I put together before the show today, 170 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about battery concussion, what that is and why 171 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: that's so important for the listeners to understand, and then 172 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: we'll kind of go from there. How's that sound? Okay, 173 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: stay put. We're here with Dirk Fuchs of I Car 174 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: chucking KADO redline detection. I know somewhere in the background 175 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: is Dr Mark Quardo. He's a standing by and listening 176 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: as well, and we're all going to return right after this. 177 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: I'm Ronananian. Don't go anywhere, vehicle not taking you where 178 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: you want to go. We'll call on He's the expert 179 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: at making your vehicle take you where you needed. Five 180 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: zero zero zero And now back to r Hey, we're 181 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: here talking with Dirk Fuchs. He's the director of technical 182 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: Programs and Services for I Car and Dirk, when we 183 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: pulled away for the pause, I left you with a 184 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: thought about battery concussion for the listeners. What does that 185 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: term mean and why is it important when we're talking 186 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: about electric vehicles? Mhm yes, absolutely so, Um that term 187 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: you created, yeah, a year ago or so, it doesn't matter. Um, 188 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: it's about an electric vehicle in an accident. So you 189 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: have to imagine when you have an accident, as everybody 190 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: knows there's a lot of ge pours involved, so deceleration 191 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: forces are is really really high. Especially hope you found 192 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: out that side accidents, when it can die crash, it's 193 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: much more. Um yeah, it's much more. Yeah. The fatter 194 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: the chassis or that the whole brain don't observe so 195 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: much accident and too much speed when it when you 196 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: have inside accident. So the problem is I compare a 197 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: battery with my brain. My brain is in a liquid, 198 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: so I hit my forehead somewhere my brain, my brain 199 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: inside hit the forehead and it stopped swelling over over 200 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: a day, over two days, three days, So it takes 201 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: time that the symptoms occur. So that means, um, I 202 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: I really need I feel bad, I feel busy, I 203 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: maybe have to vomit after a day or two. That's 204 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: a concussion. And I think a lot of your listeners 205 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: maybe experience that that by themselves. So now wings over 206 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: to an electric vehicle. We have an accident. Twenty thirty 207 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: fourty g pours um is those into this chassis, especially 208 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: on inside accident, and then my battery cells are as 209 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: well in the liquid, so we don't know how the 210 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: battery cells will behave over time can chemical reactions takes 211 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: time to occur. So we have a lot of reports 212 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: that electric vehicles out of an accident, got prepared, got 213 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: back to the vehicle owner, the owner had the call 214 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: the night on its charger in his garage, and the 215 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: vehicle burned down, and at the end of the day, 216 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: the whole house burned down. So the question is now, 217 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: what can you do against that, How you can monitor 218 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: is my battery good or is it bad? And that's 219 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: what we have to train our technicians out there how 220 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: to do it, what to look out, and how to 221 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: make sure this will not happen. So does this happen? 222 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm 223 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: just guessing. But you know, the sheer weight of the battery, 224 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, an engine block an engine, you know, typical 225 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: engine weighs five fifty pounds back in the old days 226 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: of cast iron V eight. Today's and aluminum engines are 227 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: probably less four pounds. You know, they get into a 228 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: front end collision at thirty miles an hour, they're held 229 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: down by mounts um. You know. It's the same g fource, 230 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: so to speak, but it's less likely to be ripped 231 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: out of its mounts and and bounced around and broken 232 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: because of it. It's it's smaller and it weighs less. 233 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: But but an electric vehicle battery on average, my understanding, 234 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: is way anywhere from eight hundred to a thousand pounds 235 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: or more. And that that double double the mass or 236 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: triple the mass in some cases at thirty miles an hour, 237 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: and there's no real support for the battery because the 238 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: battery is the frame of the vehicle. It's part of 239 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: the foundation. So you know it's gonna get bounced around more, 240 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: it's going to be more adverse or more more susceptible 241 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: as the word. I'm looking for two G force collision, 242 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and and then there's impermant, right, and then then there's 243 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: um you taught me this before the interview today before 244 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: we talked about cracks in the case fishers micro fishers 245 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: right opening up where the you won't see it in 246 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: the battery case. And now the battery case has no integrity. 247 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: Fair statement, fair statement, Yes, yeah, you're absolutely right, umf 248 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: You analyze the batteries part of the chassis. So an engine, 249 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: when you compare an engine, they have to the nouns, 250 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: the rubber mounts, they are they are guided at the frame, 251 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: so they are not part of the frame. And that's all. 252 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: That's a big, big difference. The most risk is what 253 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: we have with those electric batteries is that you have 254 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: in front accident for example, and nobody thinks even about 255 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: checking the battery tools. What shock for example offers with 256 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: redline detection to check the battery enclosure is super important 257 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: every after every accident, that should be for formed in 258 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: my opinion, to make sure there is no micro crack 259 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: in the in the housing after this accident. That right now, 260 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: Turk is that is that allowed to be done right now? Um, 261 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: So we have to Chuck for that. And he's specialist 262 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: on that, and he talks to manufacturers about manufacturer putting 263 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: position statements in where that describes, Um, yeah, you have 264 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: to do it after an accident, but not all doing it. 265 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Not all have the knowledge of it. You are in 266 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: a huge learning curve right now where we all learn 267 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. So it is not so that 268 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: all manufacturers figured it out to the end um and 269 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: and putting pocition statements out in this results. And that's 270 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: the reason why we are here to educ the industry 271 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: to say you have to do this so you know 272 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and and for me it's always like what I what 273 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: we cheat technolos right now is how you approach an 274 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: electric vehicle when it ends up on your on your lot, 275 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: you are in collision with hair facility. The car comes 276 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: in God gets off of an a flat bed and 277 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: it was in an in an accident. So the first 278 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: thing usually you roll the car of a flat bed. 279 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: When you roll the car, an electric car of a 280 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: flat bed and it is included in collision. First problem 281 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: is your rotor of your electric motor um will return 282 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: and that can reincorporate energy into the system. What we 283 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: don't want that it could be really really dangerous. So 284 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: the whole approach of getting a car, how I take 285 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: it off a flat bed that the tires are not rotating, 286 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: that starts them directly. Then the next thing is usually 287 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: if we stay taking heat guns, go under the car 288 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: and check if there is any hot pockets heat pockets 289 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: in this battery. What you can see there's a thermal 290 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: he'd gotten to say, is there anything going on? Is 291 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: there a thermal um reactually going on? A thermal runaway? 292 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: Is occurring a thermal runaway? Is it starts burning? So 293 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: we want to have that, Um, we want to have 294 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: the knowledge, but cool be bringing the car in the shop. 295 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: Then you bring an electric legal into your shop and 296 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: it starts burning. An electric vehicle battery fire is around 297 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: five thousand degrees far and out and there's no way 298 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: you can take it out right, and then you will 299 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: not take it out, and then the problem becomes that 300 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you haven't checked the battery for cracks 301 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: from the front end collision that we're talking about, then 302 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that battery can have issues where it catches fire. And 303 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: now you put it in your shop to be serviced, 304 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: and now the shop burns down with the car, and 305 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: what a mess. What a mess that's going to become. Hey, hey, Dirk. 306 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk a little 307 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: bit about, you know, the clean work environment to the 308 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: ev repair process, why it's so important, and then we'll 309 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: have about six or seven minutes after that. Can we 310 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the tools and the vehicle 311 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: intake process and you know, let's let's finish it up 312 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: there and we can get a little bit more into 313 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I Car. So I'm running nading the car doctor here 314 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: with Dirk Fuchs of I Car. We'll both be back 315 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: right after this. Don't go away. Welcome back. We're naming 316 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: the car Doctor here with Dirk Fuchs of I Card. Dirk, 317 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: you know you made a point in our in our 318 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: pre show interview to talk about, you know, a clean 319 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: work environment to the electric vehicle repair process. Why it's 320 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: so important. I mean, general shop cleanliness is important, but 321 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: you made a point to stress that what's that all about? 322 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: M m yeah. Let me try to make this point 323 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: as sure as possible. When Mark was talking earlier about 324 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: for example A C and D C and that those 325 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: different um um, yeah, currents or voltages. Um. I'm focusing 326 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: a little bit more on the learning curve of resistance. 327 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: What I figure out in how our training classes is 328 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: that technicians have a hard time to understand what is 329 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: a million old and this is our new resistance values 330 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: where we're going into when we talk about electric vehicles. 331 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: So to make sure so I give you a better 332 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: by example for examples, then when you have an an 333 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: electrical connection and connector of an electric vehicle, and those connectors, 334 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: what connecting those citty square million neither cables? What is 335 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: in the US terms one gauge um with a component 336 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: like an inverted, so from the battery to the inverter 337 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: and that connector um is in their their resistance values 338 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: in those connectors there are one million or less, that's 339 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: one thousands of an home. So this is not detectable 340 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: and you can't figure that out with and the regular multimeter. 341 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: So you need a regular and you need new testing devices. 342 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: We call it a full environment measurement method. So but 343 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: why is this so important with cleanness of your shop 344 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: or of your environment? So I give you another example 345 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: and tessler full throttle up here in Colorado where I live. 346 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: You drive up the mountains, put the throttle down a 347 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: lot of think three hundred ms going over that system, 348 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: and then you convert and now use owns law and say, okay, 349 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: we have three hundred and we have one thousand, one 350 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: thousands of an own resistance over and connector what is 351 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: the electrical power going over and connector? You can calculate 352 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: this so approximately with three hundred amps and one million 353 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: of we talk about ninety wats. So one ninety wats 354 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: everybody knows really well, then everybody bought the light bulbs 355 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: in their life. Ninety watts is a light bulb? Really 356 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: Pride gets really hard brand. It's really hard when you're 357 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: touch it, and probably a lot of people burn their 358 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: hands on it. But this goes over a thin thread. No, 359 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: now we have a one gage cable and ninety what, 360 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing, it doesn't even he's up this cable. But 361 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: when you change the resistance value and this connector from 362 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: one million of the ten million, you're ninety wats turned 363 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: into nine hundred wats. Now you have a toaster, so 364 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: ten million is still are not detectable with your multimeter 365 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: what you have in your shop. So now we make 366 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: out of this ninety out of this ten home of million, 367 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, twenty million, and your result is not nine 368 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: hundred bucks anymore. It's one eight hundred bucks. And what 369 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: will happen is that you that this connector will start 370 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: melting and burning and this will be the vehicles what 371 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: stand on the hard shoulder um here in the mountains 372 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: in Colorado and burns down. And I don't want that 373 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: any shop is responsible for this. So every time you 374 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: work on an electric car, you covered and you open 375 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: and connected, you cover those connectors, the working wirom and 376 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: what for example manufacturers saying is what exable sixteen feet 377 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: in every direction is to work space where that have 378 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: to be cleared. Wait, wait minute, wait you're saying waitute, 379 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: you're saying you're saying, I just got what you said, Dirk. 380 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: You're saying that in a repair shop, that in a 381 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: body shop. All right, They've got to have sixteen feet 382 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: clear as a perimeter around the vehicle to maintain a 383 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: clean work environment. And that's what the manufacturers are calling for, 384 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: to ensure the vehicle has worked on safely, cleanly and properly, 385 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: so that on one you know, we're looking our our 386 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: workshops today, one stall in, the next one, list after 387 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: the next one. So now imagine you have an electric vehicle. 388 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: In the middle, um connectors are open. On this car 389 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: gets with had left. One guy is grinding um on 390 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: a on a whatever quarter panel. On the right side, 391 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: somebody's welding and all this degres dust dirt is in 392 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: the air and it will go into those connectors and 393 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: you will not see this with your playing eyes. This 394 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: is what we're talking about when we talk about electric vehicles. 395 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: This is the reason why cleaning ness, a clean environment 396 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: is extremely important. When their connectors are open, we cover 397 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: then that nothing can go in there and no debris 398 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: and nothing. And this is really really important, and this 399 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: is one of the most important learning course in my opinion, 400 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: And this is what we have to preach out there. 401 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: And electric vehicle has to be treated different and in combustion, Yeah, absolutely, 402 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: things like a fire that burns the vehicle down, what 403 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: can burn also and passenger down, and and and and 404 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: really threatened the life of an over driver or a passenger. 405 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: It's really critically here. And that's the reason why it's 406 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: so important working in a clean environment. And this is 407 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: what I'm preaching around the country really really a lot, 408 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: and I wanted to bring that up in this show. 409 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: That's great, Derek. I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit 410 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: because time is gonna cut it short, but I'm gonna 411 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm bringing you back. I'm just letting you know because 412 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: you've gotta we got a lot go going on here. Um, 413 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: I want to go to charging, charging infrastructure and the 414 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: language of EV in two minutes? Can you do that 415 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: in two minutes? Can you talk about that? Yeah? You 416 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: know when I go through dealership, really that's that's really fun. 417 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: So you go to a dealership, go to a salesman 418 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and say, hey, what is what this new let's say 419 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: Ford Lightning whatever, and they okay, what is the first 420 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: question you have? What is my battery capacity? Our language 421 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: is now killer what hours? So my twenty gallant tank 422 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: is now maybe a ninety two hundred kill about our batteries. 423 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: So that indicates for me, okay, how big is my tank? 424 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: How far I can go? So the average consumption of 425 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: an electric vehicle is around the average what I read 426 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: everywhere around thirty five kill what per our thirty five 427 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: kill about hours per hundred miles. So now you know 428 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: you have a hundred kill about our battery, and you 429 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: know when average thirty five killer about hours per hundred 430 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: miles is my consumption, So now you can calculate how 431 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: far you can get with this. A really important question 432 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: is as well recharging. How long it takes to recharge 433 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: a car, so and really important is what can the 434 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: battery intake. So that's let's say my my, Yeah, I 435 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: go usually to our gas station and put my nosle 436 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: in there, and now it's a question how much gas 437 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: goes into tank. So for example, I was reading I 438 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: was looking in the new Mercedes e q S yesterday, 439 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: really fancy Mercedes car has a two hundred killer what 440 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: intake of the batteries, so two hundred kilo? What can 441 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: take in on a DC fast charging? So questions Orsay, 442 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: we have now three levels of charging. Level one means 443 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: hundred ten worlds A charging you plug it in in 444 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: your house takes possibly I don't know, one point five 445 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: kilobt an hour. So when you have a hundred kill 446 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: about our battery, you can calculate because is like eighty 447 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: hours to recharge it. That's two weeks. Well that's no, 448 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: that's no, that's okay, but that's oh my god. So okay, 449 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: then you you have level two charging. What is a 450 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: world box at home? What you get two hundred twenty votes? 451 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Possibly when you run it on a fifty am circuit, 452 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: you can't have like twelve eleven point five killer box 453 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: an hour, So that means you have an hundred kill 454 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: about our battery. You want to recharge, it takes your 455 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: eight eight hours. It's fair overnight recharge you can can take. 456 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: You have a recharge battery. So that works well. But 457 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: when you go on a you want to well, yeah 458 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have a you don't have eight 459 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: hours to sit in a parking lot somewhere and charge 460 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: it up. Dirk, you know what, We're gonna leave it there, 461 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: but I promise we're gonna bring you back to talk more. Um. 462 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: The website for I Car is simple. Can you give 463 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: us the it's it's it's I hyphen car dot com, 464 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: I believe nor dot com, I dish car dot com 465 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: for anybody listen interested in more training and so forth. 466 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: And you've got you like Mark you got and Chuck. 467 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: You guys have so much to say. I'll tell you what. 468 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: Sit tight. I'm gonna bring all three of you back 469 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: in there in our next segment as we close out 470 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: this this week of the Car Doctor. So stay put. 471 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the Car Doctor. We'll be back 472 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back Running in the Car Doctor. Gentlemen, 473 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: are we all here? We're gonna try and do a 474 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: round table here on radio. I don't know how easily here. 475 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't if this has ever actually happened before. For 476 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: those of you just tuning in, we're talking to Chuck 477 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: in Ka to Redline Detection, Dirk Fuchs of A Car 478 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: and Dr Mark Quatrou of Quarto Tech Services. Let's start 479 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: with Chuck real quick, Chuck in a minute or less. 480 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: What do you think the challenges are facing the e 481 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: V future for the listeners out there and for the 482 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: shop owners out there, what do they need to be 483 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: aware of if you're going to talk to him? No, 484 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean so many challenges and I guess just focused 485 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: on you know what I focus on. So you know, 486 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Dirk set it right earlier. You can't see this done right, 487 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: the same with Leasy, can't see the error. So you 488 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: know where we live is solving these challenges for like 489 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: UV service, inspection, training, support, and we can make things 490 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: easier for a tech or safer for a customer. Right, 491 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: so you know every battery is different. It's not a 492 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: question or right or wrong for testing. But you know, 493 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: if I'm a technician, I'm asked to do a ten 494 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: mill of ours house to look for a four percent 495 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: drop in the sixty seconds. This is where redlines, b 496 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: CL deal come in handy, right, because what I'm really 497 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: trying to do is you know that you know, solve 498 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: these problems like there's no standardization on how to test 499 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: or no common way to connect to these batteries. Um, 500 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, some summer in vehicle test, summer out of 501 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: vehicle tests you know, there's ten different tooling solutions for testing, right, 502 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean everyone's got their different you know 503 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: thing that they got to use, and it's kind of 504 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: like diagnostics. Right, why are the GOE tool And you 505 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: know the chops don't want to do that, they want 506 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: just one. What you're really saying, Yeah, your face with 507 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: the challenge of creating the standard, which is something I'm 508 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: sure redline Detection is UH is up for. So thank you, Chuck, 509 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Your Mike baby, let me let me 510 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: pull over and let me go talk to Dirk real quick, Dirk. 511 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Challenges facing the EV industry, the V future. What do 512 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: you think it is? In a minute or less? Absolute education, 513 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: education and education. Learn what you have to know of 514 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: to work safely around those vehicles, make the right decisions, 515 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: invest in your future, investing your knowledge, invest improper tools, 516 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: UM that you can work on those vehicles as best 517 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: as possible for the ultimative benefit of the consumer. So 518 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: this is the mission statement of Icon anyway. So um yeah, 519 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: so in and learn and tackle um, tackle those uh 520 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: those future challenges and learn as much And if you haven't, 521 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: if you haven't taken a course on basic electricity and 522 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: if you don't understand OHMS law and now it's a 523 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: good time to learn, right Yeah, yeah, all right, Derek, 524 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us today. Again, if anybody's 525 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: looking for more information, it's I Car, I hyphen car 526 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Let's go over, let's go over to let's 527 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: go over to Dr Mark Quard or Dr Mark. You're 528 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: still there, sir, Hey Mark, thank you. We're fighting through 529 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: some technical challenges here today. UM, if you could in 530 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: a minute or less, babe, you know that the the 531 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: ev future, what are the challenges? Where do you see 532 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: it coming from? Uh, well, we've kind of got a 533 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: training theme. I'll just kind of stick to that right now. Um, 534 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: the time horizon for learning electrified transportation technologies is long. 535 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: We know that the slope is steep to attain any 536 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: type of levels of competence and competence. So, UM, think 537 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: of it as when somebody starts the training its engines 538 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: one on one. That's really where we're starting. And what 539 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: drives that is that you've got legacy systems, which, um, 540 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, technicians have traditionally relied heavily on legacy knowledge 541 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: and they really don't have that to transfer over to 542 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: electrified vehicles. The same with technology transfer. Uh, they've relied 543 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: heavily on knowing technology and uh, you know, we're in 544 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: the high bold is DC and then alternating cart whether 545 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: it's single phase, three, six or nine phase systems. And 546 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: then in addition to that, you've got changes happening in 547 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: vehicle regulatory compliance and diagnostics. So CARB right now is 548 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: drafting UM elected vehicle compliance and what they're looking for 549 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: is to add information into the system into the vehicle 550 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: that um Uh technicians are going to have to learn 551 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: to work with charging system efficiency for pulsing efficiency, things 552 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: like power factor, maybe even off bo charging stations and 553 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: so on. So they're gonna have to learn a whole 554 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: new language and then learn how to to work with it. 555 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: They have to understand it before they didn't even work 556 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: with it. And then, um, you know, we we've kind 557 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: of we've kind of beaten the D C and A 558 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: C circuits thing to death. But also one final thing here, 559 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: ron is that pattern failure. Um. Once you start getting 560 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: into technologies that iterate as fast as we're going right now, 561 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: the common failures are less frequent, right, and so you're 562 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: you've got a whole nutter tact design right. What you're 563 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Mark, is there's a whole new learning 564 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: curve because there's nothing to base it on. Let's leave 565 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: it there because we're gonna run short on time. Gentlemen, 566 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: Sit tight, I'll come back, finish it up, and then 567 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: we'll talk again. I'm run a needy in the car Doctor, 568 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Welcome back. While name 569 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: the car Doctor. I want to first of all, thank 570 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: our special guests this week, Chuck Kincaid of Redline Detection 571 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: Redline Detection dot com, Derek Fuchs of I Car I 572 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: hyphen Car dot com, and Dr Mark Quarto of Quarto 573 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: Tech Services dot Com, among other websites. There were all 574 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: three experts in their field and we were glad to 575 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: have them. Um such interesting information and I learned a lot. 576 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm hoping you did too. I think my concern if 577 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: you're listening to everybody speak today and the comments and 578 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: the thoughts that they brought up in the explanations of 579 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: training and the steep hill uh as as someone put 580 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: it during the course of this week's show, about the 581 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: steep hill that we're gonna have to climb to get there, 582 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: is um you know, it's a concern and training is 583 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: as big and important part of the e V future 584 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: or the electric transportation future um as Dr Mark put 585 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: it as anything all right, And I think it's an 586 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: even bigger deal than the internal combustion engine training because 587 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: we have nothing to go on, we have no basis 588 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: of well, ten years ago this worked on an internal 589 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: combustion engine. This is all brand new. Two technicians, and 590 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: the technicians have a very steep built to climb and 591 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: that's what's gonna be necessary in order to keep the 592 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: EV vehicles rolling because at some point they will require 593 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: service and repair. But I will tell you this because 594 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: I tell you this each and every week when it 595 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: comes to mechanics, well, I'm rounding ating in the car doctor, 596 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: reminding all of you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 597 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: See you