1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Pritchett and this is Annie, and you're 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: listening to stuff fun never told you now. A few 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was a little hungover. If you know me, 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: that is not an unusual situation, might actually be the 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: case today. And when I'm hungover, I like to watch 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: a lot of TV. And one of my favorite movies 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: of my childhood or of my youth was on I 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: think Showtime, Lost and Delirious. Have you ever seen this movie? 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: I have not, Okay, So the plot of Uston Delirious, 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: it's basically like most good movies in the late nineties, 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of ALTI young women who were all in 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: prep school and one of the main characters that's a 13 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: common yes, the craft, that's like a common thing there was. 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: There was like a obsession with young women in prep 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: school or like Catholic school in the late nineties. Kind 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: of yeah, a little bit right. So basically, Piper Peara 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Booze character in this movie is gay and she's in 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: love with her roommate and they they they're dating, but 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like hush hush, and one day they 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: get caught. They get caught by another classmate in the 21 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: bed with each other and the Piper Pear Booze I 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: guess like Boo is distraught and so she calls the 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: whole thing off. She's like, I don't want to do 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: this anymore. And can you guess what Piper pear a 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: boot does after this rejection and heartbreak. I have my 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: suspicion that she kills herself. She does. She has a 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: complete mental breakdown that involves cutting off her hair and 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: weirdly getting really into falconry. There's a falcon in this 29 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: movie that never but yeah, I mean she she has 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: a complete mental breakdown. She threatens her her booze new 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: dude bro boyfriend with a sword and stabs him, and 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: then she jumps off a building and kills herself. And 33 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: this is a movie that I I loved growing up 34 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: because there were so few representations of you know, queer 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: gay lesbian characters on TV. Like I could I could 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: count them the ones that were big deals for me. 37 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I could count on on one hand. Loston de Layers 38 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: is a big one. Weirdly, this is not a movie 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: that I would think of as like a gay triumph 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: but cruel intentions because two girls kiss in that movie. Um, 41 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: you know the the amount of media that we got 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: was just not great. It wasn't great. And even though 43 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: this movie was foundational for me and I loved it, 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: looking back as an adult, I was like, this is 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: actually really really toxic and really really troubling. So you 46 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: probably know this this sort of plot device bury your 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: gaze if you've heard this, And basically it's this idea 48 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: that gay cares queer characters they aren't allowed to just 49 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: live happy, fulfilled lives where they meet other queer characters 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: who like them and they have a normal, happy, you 51 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: know life. Something disastrous always happens. They they're unrequited love 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: and so they're heartbroken and they kill themselves or there 53 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: they die in some other way, and it's it's it's 54 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: actually really really troubling. Yeah. I immediately thought of um, 55 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: Buffy the vampire slayer Terra and then Willow goes completely 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: insane and becomes like a super witch, starts is going 57 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: to like destroy planets. Yeah. The subtits is always that 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: queer folks one are all just like a hair away 59 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: from losing our mind, or two we're just we're unstable, 60 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: like we we you know, it's like it's some something 61 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: will happen and you become a super witch, or you 62 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: become you know, jealous, and you know you've got this 63 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: revenge plot, like you're never just a normal person in 64 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: a normal human which yeah, yeah, as you are in 65 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: the weed and verse of Layer. So it's funny. Um 66 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: Auto Straddle a feminist website aimed at lesbian and bisexual women. 67 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: They checked all the lesbian and bisexual women who've died 68 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: in the history of television. When they first began this 69 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: list in March had sixty five women in it. Now 70 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: it has a hundred and eighty two. Whoa oh this 71 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: reminds me of another big one, do you Um, did 72 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: you hear about that whole thing about the one hundred 73 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: the show and the yes, yes, that was a big deal. 74 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: It was. It caused quite a kerfuffle because there was 75 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen a show full disclosure, but I remember 76 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: this happening. It was big enough where like entered my 77 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: periphery of I'm very limited on social media. Is probably 78 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: some of you can tell trying to get better, but um, 79 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: so I think it was Alexa. Was she the one 80 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: that got killed off? So it's like in a future 81 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: world where in theory there's no like, it doesn't matter 82 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: if you're queer whatever, you're just happy to date someone. 83 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: It's kind of not the point, you know. Um. And 84 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: so she had a relationship, the main character relationship with Alexa, 85 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: who was this badass warrior queen, and she kind of 86 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: just died in a very unceremonious way. And it was 87 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: after sort of hints from showrunners that we we did 88 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: this purposefully, like these characters are there because we want 89 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: to make the statement that she was going to be 90 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: a big role and that their relationship was kind of important, 91 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: and then she just died. Well, that actually blends two 92 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: of the most troubling things I found when it comes 93 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: to queer representation on screen. One, it's they get killed 94 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: off barrier gaze, and too, it's kind of queer baiting, right, 95 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: So that's kind of a form of that, I think 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: where the show seems to suggest that this is going 97 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: to be a integral piece of the show, this character, 98 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: my queer characters, and then it's like, oops, no, no, 99 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, it's kind of hooks you in. And 100 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: so queer baiting in its ris form is this idea 101 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: that shows have characters that they hint at being gay 102 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: and they never deal with it. But I think that's 103 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: the same kind of thing where you you think you 104 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: are going to get a show that is, you know, 105 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: deals with this in a in a substantive way, and 106 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: then it just kills them. Yeah. Yeah, Um. I've been 107 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: actually researching a lot of queer baiting lately because it's 108 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: just come up in several things that I like that 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: I've sort of noticed, like mm interesting. And also, as 110 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: I've alluded to several times, I was at one time 111 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: and occasionally still did my toes in fan fiction. I 112 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: was a big in that world, and I remember like 113 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of things that women love writing slash 114 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: fiction mail with male characters. It's always for things where 115 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: you know that the writers didn't intend that, but it 116 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: is like there you could see it, you know, um, 117 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: which is queer baiting. It is queer baiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 118 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: And so I've been I've been looking into that recently, 119 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: and um, we don't have enough of those characters anyway. 120 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 1: It's not not a good move to tease at like oh, 121 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: fully agreed, but I will say it does lend itself 122 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: to a lot of interesting speculations where I think so 123 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: and so was gay. Here's why you know it's it's 124 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: I certainly have some characters that I know they'll never 125 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: do it, but man, I wish they were gay. Um. 126 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: One of my biggest guilty pleasures is a show called 127 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: Supernatural and they're definitely not gay. But man, Dean and Castiger, 128 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: it's there. I see all the sun. Stay tuned your 129 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Annis splash is it flash fiction? Slash slash raction? My 130 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: my cheek since got red, I can't imagine doing it. 131 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for Annie's imagining of the world where this 132 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: is the case. Oh man, there's so much of that 133 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: are to be out there. But maybe I'll add to fail. Oh, 134 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: I love it. So here's a few stats for you 135 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: in terms of where we are in the media representation now. 136 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: These numbers are from a Glad study that they did 137 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: looking at the seventeen media landscape. They found the number 138 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: of regular l g B t Q characters counted on scripted, 139 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: prime time and cable series increased from eighty four to 140 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: ninety two, while recurring characters decrease from fifty eight to 141 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: fifty This is a total of a hundred and forty 142 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: two l g B t Q characters regular and recurring. 143 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: GLAD also counted l g b t Q characters on 144 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: original series that premiered on Amazon, Hulu and Netflix. GLAD 145 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: found forty five series regulars and twenty recurring l g 146 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: b t Q characters for a total of sixty five characters. 147 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: This is up from last year's inaugural streaming count of 148 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: fifty nine l g b t Q characters, forty three 149 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: regular and sixteen recurring. And beyond that, one really cool 150 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: thing to point out is of the eight hundred ninety 151 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: five series regular characters expected to appear on broadcast scripted 152 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: prime time programming in the coming year, for three or 153 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: four eight percent were identified as gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, 154 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: and queer. Now, this is the highest percentage of LGBTQ 155 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: series regulars GLAD has ever found. There are an additional 156 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: twenty eight recurring LGBTQ characters. So does see, Mike, Things 157 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: are sort of moving in the right direction in some ways. Yeah, 158 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: especially in TV, because I looked at um some stats 159 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: for film and it was not as positive. Well, I 160 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: think that's a really interesting point, and I think it's 161 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: why you see so many content creators going towards things 162 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: like Netflix and Hulu and other forms of media that 163 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: aren't sort of the big screen. I think that folks 164 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: feel like they have more control over those stories and 165 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: their representation in those avenues. Yeah, and it's I think 166 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: we're still stuck in this kind of dinosaur model when 167 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: it comes to movies of like, you've got these big 168 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: studios and they're trying to they're putting in all of 169 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: this money and they want their the return on the money, 170 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: so they're just sticking to these stories that they know 171 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: have made the money before. And so we're getting movies 172 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: with characters that are perhaps like not your traditional white 173 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: male and okay, like female white females in the periphery. 174 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: But they're coming from indie film studios which are not 175 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: getting the same amount of money are the samemount of press, 176 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: and therefore not that many people are seeing them. They're 177 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: not getting made as much. But for something like streaming 178 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: service or TV where there's room to experiment, like it's 179 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: not this one big project exactly. Yeah, they're they're far 180 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: ahead of the game when it comes to this then 181 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: film is It definitely seems that way. Um. And it's 182 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: also important to point out that while it's very important 183 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: to have representation at LGBTQ characters across all spectrums, it's 184 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: also very important that they're well done. According to Lauren mckinroy, 185 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: a social work doctoral candidate at the University of Toronto, 186 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: her research found that having good representations are validating and 187 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: normalizing for l g b t Q plus youth and 188 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: contribute to their identity development and overall well being. However, 189 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: many youth have to go online to find these affirming representations, 190 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: and often into online fandom communities because of the limitations 191 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: of l g b t Q plus represented in offline media. 192 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: So basically, that's kind of what they're saying, right, is 193 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: that folks who want this diverse array of representation oftentimes 194 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: have to go online because you're not you're not getting 195 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: it in other avenues, right, Um, And we've talked about 196 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: before so many times now how it does matter to 197 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: be able to see someone that you can identify with, 198 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that you can connect to, that it's like you on 199 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: the screen or in media, in mainstream media, exactly, representation matters. 200 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I've said it a thousand times on 201 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the show, to get a tattooed on my forehead at 202 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: this point, but it's true. It's true, um and in fact, 203 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: a lot of content creators are using the Internet to 204 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: build the representation they want to see exactly. And that 205 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: brings me to something super, super exciting that I got 206 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: to do just two weeks ago. I went to Los 207 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Angeles to talk to one of those badass, brilliant, amazing 208 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: content creators, Cameron Esposito. So you might know Cameron as 209 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: this groundbreaking lesbian content creator her show Take My Wife, 210 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: which if you haven't seen it, it's amazing and I 211 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: cannot recommend it enough. You can find it streaming on iTunes. 212 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: But really that was a project that she kind of 213 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: created herself. She wanted to see this representation of what 214 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: it looks like to have queer, non binary relationships on TV, 215 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: and so she created it. And I think it's a 216 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: great model for folks who are want to see those authentic, multidimensional, 217 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: real stories reflected. She got it done, and I think 218 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: it's a real inspiration for you know, as a as 219 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: a queer content creator. You know, she she built this 220 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: thing and people did. I mean, when Take my Wife 221 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: Season two premiered, it was an overnight sensation. It became 222 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: number one on iTunes right away. And really, I mean 223 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: it was a triumph of what you can do to 224 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: diverse to five the media landscape. Take my wife featured 225 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: an all female writers room and really intentionally sought out 226 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: queer people and people of color to handle all aspects 227 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: of production. So I'm not just talking the writer's room, 228 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: the talent. I'm talking costume designers. I'm talking people who 229 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: are on the set right. So, honestly, if Caramenes Pasito 230 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: can do it, and do it wonderfully, what excuse to 231 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: big studios have for not doing it exactly? And we're 232 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna have caramin Es Posito herself to explain why that 233 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: is after this quick break, Cameron, I cannot thank you 234 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: enough for being here today. You are making my personal 235 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: dreams come true, and I'm gonna say it, probably the 236 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: dreams of a lot of our listeners come true as well. 237 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I think I'm gonna blush. I think 238 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna blush real hard. Thank you. That's such a 239 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: nice thing to say. It's so nice to meet you. 240 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: You are a ray of sunshine on this very sunshiny 241 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: Los Angeles day. Yeah, it's hard to not feel funny 242 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: and warm in l A Oh, my god, that's true, 243 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: which does actually feel almost debilitating after a while. Yeah, 244 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird, No it does, It doesn't 245 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: because being on the East Coast, it's been a little 246 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: bit like gray and dreary and people are a little 247 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: bit depressed. Everyone here is so light an airy and 248 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: sunny and happy. So if you get depressed here, then 249 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: you're like, well, this is totally on me, Like there's 250 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: this is not seasonal depression. This is I'm having a 251 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: hard time. Yeah, you can't blame the weather. Yeah, there's 252 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: noever like a day when it's so rainy and you 253 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: need to stay inside. I mean, this is not I'm not, 254 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm not. I love where I live, but as somebody 255 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: from Chicago, like I do miss some of the like 256 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: the help that the weather gives you on just like, 257 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: hey man, this is rough, Like we're all in it 258 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: together thirty in of snow and we have to like 259 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: come together as a as a city and a community. 260 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Here it's just like no, man, you're on your own, 261 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: beautiful Yeah, get out there and make your dreams come true. Yeah. 262 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: I love the excuse of having the weather to like 263 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: stay in in order to take out and watch Netflix 264 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: so being from Chicago, let's let's should you start there? 265 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: How did you go from Chicago girl to the wonderful 266 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say media mogul that your international celebrity comedy 267 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: A lister. Yeah, like a like a plus, like like 268 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: a little above the A. Um, how did it? Well? So, 269 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: one thing that I learned how to do when I 270 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: was in Chicago was really operate like a small business person. 271 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: My dad's a small business person, and um, my mom 272 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: always has worked for a lot of my life also, um, 273 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: and so I feel like I had like good hustle, 274 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: which a lot of comics start out with like great 275 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: art instincts, and I certainly, you know, really love the 276 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: art part of comedy also. But one thing that growing 277 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: coming up in Chicago is like a very d i 278 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: y scene. So I was used to like producing my 279 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: own shows. I created a stand up class for women 280 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: because there weren't a lot of women doing stand up. 281 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: I was like, well, what if I just trained them 282 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: so that I had peers. Um. I started an open 283 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: mic because I needed like three hundred bucks to make 284 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: my rent a month. That's a real number. And so 285 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: I uh just figured out like how to scrounge that 286 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: from a couple different places. And I mentioned all of 287 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: this because like, when I got out here to l A, 288 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: I um used all of those skills that I had 289 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: worked on for like the ten years prior that I've 290 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: been doing comedy and just kind of approached it that 291 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: way that has served me very well. I think that 292 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: the thing that scared me about l A, why I 293 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: never wanted to move out here, was that I always 294 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: had this impression that's like you throw all your stuff 295 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: in a convertible and you're like, go out out because 296 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna make it. I'm not gonna make it like 297 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: that like five four and uh like normative body type 298 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: and gay haircut, Like nobody's plucking me off the beach 299 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: to be like come star in our as an ingenue 300 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: in our like And so I know, I just never 301 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: thought i'd have a place here. But it turns out 302 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: if you want to come out here and work and 303 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: you know how to like diver to fire your business. 304 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: Isn't this a serious answer? But it's true? No. Well, 305 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: so as someone who I mean, I think that I 306 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: think of myself as like a creative professional, and something 307 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: I've learned is you have to sort of abandon this 308 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: idea of someone's going to pluck you from obscurity and 309 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna be the next big thing. What actual creative 310 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: success looks like, and for a lot of folks is 311 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a hustle. So it's you know, speaking, 312 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: it's training, it's writing, it's working, it's this, it's that, 313 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 1: it's all of these things. It's not sort of overnight success. 314 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: It's actually a lot of work that is sort of boring. 315 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: And maybe I'm glamorous a lot of the times, but 316 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: that's what's you know, leading to success. Absolutely, And I 317 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: think also that that might have been different a little 318 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: like ten years ago, when there were a lot less 319 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: networks on television, things like that, somebody could have could 320 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: be like they fully made it. I'm Jerry Seinfeld, this 321 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: is the show with my name on it. I made it. 322 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: But that being said, Jerry didn't create that show. So 323 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: like the thing that we we have in common it's 324 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: really exciting about doing business now is like creators are 325 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: often there's a closer relationship between who created the material 326 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: and who's presenting the material, which is really exciting and 327 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: read for underserved voices because it means nobody else is 328 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: writing our show. We're um, like talking out of our 329 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: own faces. Um, and it does mean that like you 330 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: also don't get paid gobs of money for one job 331 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: that sets you up for life, absolutely jobs forever. Yeah. So, 332 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: something that you brought up that I love about your 333 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: your work is how integral you have been in sort 334 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: of carving out those spaces for women, for marginalized voices, 335 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: for queer people. Um, you tweeted once about your show, 336 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: Take my Wife and all of the amazing things your 337 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: show was able to accomplish in terms of lifting up 338 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: the voices of others. So was twenty two out of 339 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: forty seven roles played by queer women. You licensed eight 340 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: songs from queer musicians, worked with queer friendly costume designers, 341 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: You have women of color in the writer's room, right, Like, 342 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: these are statistics that are you know, they shouldn't be 343 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: earth shattering, but they are. And so my question is 344 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: why has that been important to you to sort of 345 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: build these spaces on your own. That's say, like, listen, 346 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: if they're not going to give us a platform, we 347 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: will build a platform. We will we will find a 348 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: way to amplify these voices. I feel like we don't 349 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: hear this enough, so I'm gonna start here. For me, 350 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: the reason I started doing stand up was literally to 351 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: create safety for myself. I could come out to a 352 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: room of like two people or two thousand people, everybody 353 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: was would know I was gay. I would have charmed them. 354 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: Maybe they don't want to kill me. That is so serious, 355 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: but it is so true, right, So like then I 356 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: started stand up there. That's how I want to work 357 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: for the rest of my life, which is that if 358 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: I felt that way, I assume there are probably a 359 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of other folks who feel like 360 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: when we talk about representation mattering, I think it can 361 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: that can feel very simplistic, like I need to see 362 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: someone that looks like me. It's also like I need 363 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: folks creating stuff that have walked the earth having these 364 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: experiences like it really is. I mean, I fully am 365 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: a social justice warrior, like that thing that you get 366 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: called on the internet the people hate. That's what I'm 367 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: trying to do. Like I want to um bust down 368 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: doors for myself to make my own life safer, and 369 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: I want to try to create a bridge that does 370 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: that for others, so that they can do that on 371 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: their own behalf also, and I have a wonderful partner, 372 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: my wife Rhea. We share this in common. We have 373 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: this same vision. And so when we went to plan 374 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: our second season for Take My Wife, we got a 375 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: bigger budget. Where we applied that money was in time, 376 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: so we took two extra weeks to ask our production 377 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: company deliberately to help us find um. Like Writers of Color, 378 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: we always had had an all female writer's room. Well 379 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: h is non binary, so re is also in the 380 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: writer's room. Um. And then we also did the casting ourselves, 381 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: so like we had, we had folks that were doing 382 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: the emailing and calling agents and stuff. But I just mean, 383 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: like if you sometimes, if you want to make change, 384 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: we didn't have money to hire somebody who's a casting director. 385 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: We literally like thought of the folks that we knew, 386 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 1: put the call out in the room, like who do 387 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: you know that actually fits the role that we're writing here? 388 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: So for writing a role for black women that's queer, 389 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: who is who is that that you know? Um? And 390 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: we started casting from there. It's really amazing what you 391 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: can do when you reach out to your community and 392 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: ask them to refer other folks in their community. Definitely. 393 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: It's like that idea of sort of you know, casting 394 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: the bucket where you are or whatever that phrases, right, like, 395 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: sometimes the folks that you need are right there, and 396 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: that if you if you go to like a traditional 397 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: casting person, they might go through the traditional roots. But 398 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: if that's not what you're trying to build, that doesn't 399 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: necessarily make sense to do. I mean, and I mean 400 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: number one, that's true. Number two, we did this ourselves, 401 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: so that leads me to believe other shows can do 402 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: it that actually do have a person this casting, So like, 403 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: if y'all could do it, if we can do it 404 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: with like no help, then if you have help, you 405 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: can do this. And that's really why we shared those 406 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: numbers because our show first season was we we operated 407 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: with an almost like lower than most indie film budgets 408 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: to make six episodes of television that was doubled for 409 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: our second season, but for TV like still really small money. 410 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: And I say that because if we can do those 411 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: numbers just with like intention, then I think that you 412 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: can too if you're making your project. Definitely, I want 413 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: to go back to something that you said that I 414 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: found really interesting, which is this idea that you started 415 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: doing comedy to make the world a safer place for 416 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: folks like yourself. That takes me back to being like 417 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: in high school or junior high or I always thought, oh, 418 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: if I can make so and so laugh, they won't 419 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: bully me, they won't tease me. That seems like such 420 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: a universal experience. I think. I think that's where all 421 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: comedy comes from. I mean, every humor is a coping mechanism. 422 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: It like de escalates the situation and a lot of 423 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: times when you like I don't know if you ever 424 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: listened to WTF with Mark Marin, it's basically like people 425 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: talking about the moment and there in their grade school 426 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: life where they got bullied. Like that's you can like 427 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: every comedian thing in common, right. I think that the 428 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: bridge and like the specificity of somebody who's like from 429 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: an underrepresented community, is that like often that bullying really 430 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: is like a safety issue again, not that like if 431 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: you're a straight white sis dude, you're not gonna get 432 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: beat up. But I'm talking about more than beat up. 433 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about like constant name calling and possible like 434 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: you know, assaulter like death. I mean, this is so 435 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: serious for stand up. But it really is right, like 436 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: you're making someone laugh so that they value you, and 437 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: that's um, like why it's powerful to then take that 438 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: back to be on stage in front of a bunch 439 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: of people and like choose to be in that role 440 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: and make them see you like you're gonna see my 441 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: You're gonna see my haircut, you're gonna see my jacket. Um, 442 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's I'm happy to have 443 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: this job. Yeah, I think it's a testament to the 444 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: sort of radical power of comedy that it is kind 445 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: of a are reclaiming. And I just remember thinking, like, 446 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: if I can make these kids laugh, then I've won 447 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: them over. Even if they don't like me, they think 448 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm annoying, they want they their inclination is to pick 449 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: on me. If I can make them laugh around my 450 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: side And it's it really I think you nailed it 451 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: so well that it's it's kind of this this radical 452 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: way of reclaiming that I mean, it's also interesting because 453 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: when we think about who has historically been able to 454 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: been like allowed and I'm putting allowed in quotes to 455 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: do comedy, and then also let's take that into other spaces, 456 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: so like who's been allowed to be a politician. UM. 457 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: The like, if you're listening and you want to run 458 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: for something, watch stand up because I think, you know, 459 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: when I look back to the last election, UM number one, 460 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: I hate the criticism that was flung at Hillary because 461 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: of her like speaking style. I mean, obviously we don't 462 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: even have to fully run through the talking points of 463 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: why that was infuriating. UM. But I think that if 464 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: you want to figure out how to I don't even 465 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: want to use the word soften, but I mean gather 466 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: in comics are doing that, Like that's the point of 467 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: stand up sort of, especially women who do comedy, UM, 468 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: and non binary folks and folks who are queer. It's 469 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: like that that gathering is part of it because you're 470 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: like preparing people to like, I'm going to talk about 471 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: sex that you don't know whether or not you agree with, 472 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: so like come over here, like I'll get you in 473 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: here and I'll win you over. So yeah, I'm sure 474 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: there's folks that are listening that are going to run. 475 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: Watch a lot of stand up. I really think it 476 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: could help you in your public speaking. There's an intersection 477 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: I think between running for office and doing stand up. 478 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: I think both take a certain level of really intense bravery. 479 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: I think both take a level of sort of everyone 480 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of looking at you and scrutinizing you, and you 481 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: being able to roll with it or like perform through 482 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: it or talk through it or whatever. Um, I think 483 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's an I had never thought of that before. 484 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: I have a background and activism in politics, and I 485 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: had never thought of that overlap. But I think you're 486 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: you're so right that there is something there that if 487 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: you want to run for office, watch how comedian handle 488 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: themselves on stage. Yeah, because the diffusing, right, Like when 489 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: you're a politician or a priest or literally anybody that 490 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: speaks in front of people, you have to have like 491 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: you have to stand behind your opinions, but you also 492 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: have to be able to diffuse and hear out other folks. 493 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: And so like that skill is really what I love 494 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: about stand up. It's cool part of the job. Would 495 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: you ever run for office? Um? I don't know. I 496 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: mean I think I should probably like get a little 497 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: bit more qualified first. Hey, I mean look at our president. Yeah. Yeah, 498 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: and and that's going great. It was a good choice, 499 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't watching him in office doesn't lead me 500 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: to believe we should actually use qualified people. I think, 501 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: since it's going so well, let's just go ahead and 502 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: run with this. This is our new this is our 503 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: new way of doing things. Oh but I think I 504 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: think you're onto something. I want to push that narrative 505 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: out into the world that running for office, that you 506 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: can you can look to other industries and avenues to 507 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: sort of get the the internal thing that you need 508 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: to run for office. I also think, just as someone 509 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: who was a podcast, I mean, you probably are used 510 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: to people being saying things about the way that you 511 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: present your voice. Probably everything. It's so it's so difficult 512 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: to be a marginalized person was a platform sometimes because 513 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: everyone has an opinion. Oh my god, girl, I just 514 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: felt so seen and heard. Yeah, it is tough. It's 515 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: really tough. I mean, I don't I don't know what 516 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: do you do to deal with it? Um, I don't 517 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: read a lot of comments. We did an episode I 518 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: have a thing. I'm I hate the way my voice 519 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: sounds good thing. I have a podcast, um. And so 520 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: we did an episode around women and voices and speaking, 521 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: and we talked about a lot about Hillary Clinton and 522 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: sort of the idea that you can either be shrill 523 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: or you can be sort of um almost sort of 524 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: to chill. I guess like there's sort of no winning. 525 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: And I basically said on the show, if anyone has 526 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: a comment about the way that I speak, I'm not interested, 527 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to hear it. You know, my 528 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: voice is my voice, and yeah, and so people still 529 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: right in and I'm sure they still will, but I 530 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: have to just sort of disengage because you know, as 531 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: a professional speaker, my voice is part of it. But 532 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: I think the most important thing is what I'm saying, 533 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: and if people have something to say about that, great, 534 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: But if it's about oh, her voice sounds like this, 535 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm just I have to not engage. I mean, first 536 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: of all, I'm really sorry that you've had to like 537 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: internalize that that thought over your over a lifetime. I 538 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: think it's really hard to not take something that is 539 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: like standardized as like this is a bad voice is 540 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: a good good voice. It's very hard to not take 541 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: that in so, like I feel for you, and I 542 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: also think like you're not set up to succeed. I mean, 543 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: think about like microphones. Microphones are supposed to pick up 544 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: lower registers, like that's totally true, like feedback, when something 545 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: sounds bad to us, it's in a it's in a 546 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: high register. Um. When we think about like the voices 547 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: that we've grown up with our entire lives, Like even 548 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: the folks that make it on the radio that UM 549 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: identify as women usually have voices that are much more 550 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: in my register, Like your voice is register is not 551 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: something that we hear a lot of. Or when that 552 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: person does have a voice in that register, it's because 553 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: they're like the sidekick that's going to come in and 554 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: be like probably sexualized um or like I did see you, 555 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: or sillier things like that. So like we've I mean, 556 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: you've heard that your entire life, like that has been 557 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: presented to you, and this is your you are helping 558 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: to undo that damage for other people, hopefully, I hope. 559 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: So that's an interesting way to put it. What's what's 560 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: so embarrassing is that I'm a former smoker, and the 561 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: reason why I started smoking was because I thought it 562 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: would make my voice sound lower. I wanted to have 563 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: a sort of Kathleen Turner, you know, low voice, and 564 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I smoke, that will help. So I 565 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: started smoking intentionally for that reason and you no longer smoke. 566 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: I am so happy for you that you stepped away 567 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: from what sounds like self harm in the in the 568 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: but like, I mean, who also, who hasn't done that? 569 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: Like that's very relatable. I mean when I was in 570 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: my um like early teens, I had a really intense 571 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: eating disorder and I looked back at my life. Then 572 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: that's also when I was like, your hormones are kicking up. 573 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was gay, but I felt like weird. 574 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: So something about my body didn't feel right. So then 575 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: I try to hyper control my body, like doing self 576 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: harm to try to get the result of like does 577 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: this make me normal? Now? Do I look like I 578 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: wear a skirt? You know? So it's like, um, God, 579 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: can we be free of this? I think the answer 580 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: is no. The answer is no. I think the answer 581 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: is no. But I think people. I think we're getting 582 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: to a point where people more people are speaking up 583 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: about these weird feelings that we really have all grown 584 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: up with and not really talked about. And I think 585 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: if someone listening, who is you leave a lot of 586 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: younger listeners, If younger listeners can hear this and think, like, 587 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you feel weird about whether it's 588 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: your sexuality, your hair, your race, your your skin, your voice, 589 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: whatever thing that makes you feel like you'll never fit in. 590 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: It's okay, we're all see really dealing with this and 591 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: not talking about it, and it's okay. Yeah, you might 592 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: even turn it into a career. Like I mean, I 593 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: really think you know, not just diffusing like being queer, 594 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: but also like I was a little kid with crossed eyes. 595 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: I had crossed eyes and I woren I patch, and 596 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: like I had all sorts of stuff going on, So 597 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: I had to be really funny because like otherwise, who 598 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: was going to hang out with like the little pirate kid? Like, 599 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: who's hanging out with that kid? If she's not very charming? 600 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: So I mean you you can compensate um and hopefully 601 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: become more comfortable with yourself, but also like maybe use 602 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: that skill set in a different way down the line. 603 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: I love that again, reclaiming, you know, taking the power back. Absolutely, 604 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: it's like, looking back on it, that's kind of cute 605 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: with a little I. I bet you were. I don't 606 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: want to say anything, but that you were. It was 607 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: like kind of a cute. Look I didn't think it 608 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: was cute. Were you rocking the Jeane jacket then as well, Oh, 609 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: my god, friend, like so much, like so much ridiculous hair, 610 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: not a Jeane jacket, but like fully a bowl cut, 611 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: fully glasses with an eye patch under it. Oh that's 612 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: a look. Yeah, it's a real look. Because I also 613 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: had like bad, bad vision in a different way and 614 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: then you know, for sure braces but also like kind 615 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: of doing fine. Yeah, like kind of accepted by my peers. 616 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: Um again, So I think I just had to develop 617 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: like a chatty personality and that that would help me. 618 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: That's so interesting survival mechanisms. Yeah, it's interesting how our 619 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: survival mechanisms kind of manifest and then later you realize, 620 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: oh I was doing that because I felt weird, and 621 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: now it's a thing that's part of my identity. Yeah. Yeah, 622 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna charge people, yeah to come see me 623 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: with my eyeballs and stuff. Yes, I enjoy it, absolutely, 624 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: I love it. More from Cameron after this quick break 625 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: and we're back. Let's get right back to Cameron. Let's 626 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: talk more about your show. So Take My Wife is hilarious. 627 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, please please please watch it. 628 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: When your network first announced that it wouldn't be picking 629 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: up a second season. Social media was not having it. 630 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: There was hashtags, there was outcry, until eventually you guys 631 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: got picked up again. And to me, that really says 632 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: people are thirsting for representations of marginalized folks on screen. 633 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, we had this season 634 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: of something so great and so well done and so 635 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: authentic and so interesting and then oh that's it, you 636 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: get one taste. People weren't having it. I mean, it 637 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: does seem like we're thirsting for this, like people want this. 638 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: I have to believe that that's true. Well, I mean, 639 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: and I want to just make a tiny adjustment, which 640 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: is that So we had shot the second season and 641 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: then it was going to be edited, and then our 642 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: network folded, which was owned by NBC Universal, So our 643 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: network was like reabsorbed into NBC Universal. But the way 644 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that it was distributed to see so like failed to exist. 645 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: So that is an extremely unusual position to be put in, 646 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: where we like had this whole thing. We were like, 647 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's here, um, and we didn't have 648 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: a way to put it out. So eventually, um, now 649 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: it's on iTunes, which is amazing. It was number number 650 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: one number one on iTunes for like two weeks, which 651 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: is wild because we found out on a Friday it 652 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: was going to be on iTunes, and it was on. 653 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: It was available the next Monday. We had no advanced, 654 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: advanced warning. We never even put out a press release. 655 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: We had no marketing budget, we had no pr budget. 656 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: It was literally just support of viewers and fans. And 657 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: so that to me is what is the amazing success story. 658 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: Not just that like on a less than indie film budget, 659 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: we were written up in the New York Times four 660 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: times in five weeks and not no, five times in 661 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: four weeks. Not just that we made it into Vanity 662 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: Fair all this awesome stuff. That that really was like, oh, 663 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: people are taking this seriously as a show. But then 664 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: also that like fans support, I mean, you know, this 665 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: is a business about money. This is a business about 666 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: money and things that haven't been proved out. It's really 667 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: hard to take a risk on. That's why Blank, That's 668 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: why like Black Panther matters, That's why Girls Trips matters. 669 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: That's why hopefully the success of Love Simon like that 670 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: being a movie that was the first LGBT movie that 671 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: was given like a full release like a full major 672 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: studio release wild And that's why I like, folks didn't 673 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: even have to Our show was cheap, Like you want 674 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: to make your money back, make a cheap show with me. 675 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: I swear to you. There's a there's a fan base 676 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: out there. We just saw it. I mean clearly there is. 677 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: Clearly there is something else I love about your show 678 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: is that it really I feel like it shows something 679 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: that we don't see that often, which is this authentic 680 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: representation of queer folks in love. And I'm just curious, like, 681 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: what's it like to be married to someone that is 682 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: also your like creative partner? Oh my god, really hard 683 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: but good, but really really good. Rha is well, I 684 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: mean they're the best person I know and so funny. 685 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: Thank god we think each other are funny, because otherwise 686 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: it would not work. Um, And I think the other 687 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: thing is like the thing you're talking about, the honest 688 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: representation of queer folks. I mean, we're the we're the 689 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: only show ever co created by an outmarried couple. Obviously, 690 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: marrige equality like basically happened yesterday, so that's not too shocking. 691 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: But um, when we see queer folks like maybe one 692 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: of the people on screen will be actually queer. That's 693 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: portraying a queer character. Maybe rarely is it too folks, 694 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: And rarely is it too people that have an existing relationship, 695 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: Like that's not a thing. I think it really does matter. 696 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: First of all, I support actors who are not who 697 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: are outside the community, who want to play queer roles 698 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: like cool, thank you, welcome, I will go see call 699 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: me by her name. But I think that if we 700 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: want to get to a place where like we really 701 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 1: know what our community is, what we really look like, 702 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: what it really looks like when we make out with 703 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: each other, I think we have to person more queer 704 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: folks in queer roles. Definitely. That's so funny. This is 705 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: kind of a weird t my story, but I remember 706 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: when I was quite young and I would watch women 707 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: on screen having sex with each other, and I would 708 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: always say like there was there was different moves that 709 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: I would see it. I would say, I don't feel 710 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: like this is actually how we do it. This is 711 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: I didn't I had never been with a woman at 712 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: that point, but I remember thinking like, this looks wrong. 713 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this is how it's done. Come to 714 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: find out, all those scenes were not written by queer women, right, 715 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: and so we don't even like, we don't even see 716 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: the mechanics of it the way that they actually play out. Oftentimes, 717 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's like, oh, this is a 718 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: scene shot by men for men, And it really was 719 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: very confusing for me. I'm sure plenty of other folks 720 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: out there had that same experience. But I think it 721 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: just goes to show how many ridiculous tropes that we 722 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: see around queer folks on screen, right when they're not 723 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: written by the queer community, when they're not written I'm 724 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: not portrayed by queer actors, Like we have those ridiculous 725 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: tropes like at Your Gaze where the only time you 726 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: see a queer woman on TV is she's you know, 727 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: she dies at the end, or she's you know by 728 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: but just buy enough, you know, like you don't see 729 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: these real authentic representations, and it's just very confusing. Yeah, 730 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: it's also always kind of um it seems to be 731 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: more often than in the real world, conflated with like 732 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: feelings of sadness. So like, I think, yes, there are 733 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: coming out stories and there are moments where like somebody 734 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: who's newly out has conflicted is conflicted about kissing someone. 735 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: But that's not the only time we kiss each other. 736 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: Sometimes later we don't even smash each other against the wall. 737 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: You just have like normal kissing. Um, we're not even sad. 738 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: And then like that thing. Um, there's also a thing 739 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: that I see all the time. I like have coined 740 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: the term for it. It's called skydiving t M. That's 741 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: camera especial word. Don't steal that. Skydiving is when two 742 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: people with vaginas are on screen together and they're both 743 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: like seeming to have to be like filling each other 744 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: in a sexual way, but also all of their hands 745 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: are visible. What are the opening down there? What am 746 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: I doing? Those are the exact scenes I could say, 747 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: what how do it? Like? What is happening that this 748 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: is so pleasurable for both of you? Yeah, so that's skydiving. Um. 749 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I would say is, like, 750 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: like you said, the representation of like by folks as 751 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: like being chased or like that, there's not it just 752 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: is like really sad for by folks. The representation I think, 753 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to, um see 754 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: like a great version of two actors on having awesome 755 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: on screen chemistry. I really like the movie Bound, Um, 756 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: which doesn't feature two actors who are well I will 757 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: say this, I don't know about one of them, um, 758 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: but but it's not like queer actors. It's um it's 759 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: the White House. He's first movie, which has the first movie, 760 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: and it's how they got the money to make the 761 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: matrix is so good that folks were like, well, yeah, 762 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: you should definitely make more movies. Um. But they hired 763 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: a sex choreographer. They hired like somebody who's in the 764 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: community to choreograph their sex scenes. And they look awesome. 765 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: They look really good and like tender and also like hot, 766 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't have to be like not hot, but 767 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: it just looks right. It looks like right, it looks correct. 768 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: Everything that's happening. You're like, no, this is like really 769 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: cool and sexy, and this is also believable, and so 770 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: it has been done. Like just watch that if you're 771 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: gonna put it in your movie, just watch that. Yeah, 772 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: and that's it's so true. Like just get someone who 773 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about to help you with your scene. 774 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: Don't just choreograph what you think happens, because that's very 775 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: confusing for like fourteen year old girls who are watching 776 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: TV and they're like, what's happenings? Certainly, and also if 777 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: there's gonna be like dudes that are going to be 778 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: making up with each other, can you, um maybe not 779 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: pan to a tree constant? Oh my god. Always always 780 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,719 Speaker 1: like you get a little bit of the action and 781 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 1: then it like pans to like the stars or something. 782 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: It's really that makes me so worried for like young 783 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: dudes who man like so so young, so like for 784 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: young women, and it's like women are always having sex 785 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: on camera, but it's like bad unsatisfying sex, and then 786 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: for dudes, it's like you don't get to have sex, 787 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: you don't even show it. Yeah, Like because this is 788 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: two gross for this audience. I was just on a 789 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: plane recently and I noticed, um that like all the 790 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: LGBT movies had a content warning. And then like I watched, 791 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is camera neespecially don't want 792 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: to plane like trying to relax or whatever. I saw 793 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: one LGBT movie had a had a content warning, and 794 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,399 Speaker 1: I was like, huh, I wonder So then I looked 795 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: at all of them that were like four on this 796 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: movie and on this plane, and I was like, they 797 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: all had like this very intense warning. And then I 798 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: looked at the notebook because I was like, I know 799 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: there's nudity in this movie. I know there's nudity. I 800 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: know there's like a sex scene, no content warning at all. 801 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: That's still where we are. When people talk about forward movement, 802 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: like do we even need all assignment, It's like, yeah, 803 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: on a plane, there has to be a content warning 804 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: before two women kiss. It's so ridiculous. Sometimes sometimes I 805 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: want to I find myself feeling really happy at how 806 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: far we've got sometimes, and then moments like that, I think, wow, 807 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: you really have them come that fire. It's like a 808 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: weird two steps forward, one steps back kind of thing. 809 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I think part of that is it's kind 810 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: of it's the whole thing that we're talking about. I 811 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: think that we focused so much on creating ally ship 812 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: outside of the community, which by the way, had to happen, like, 813 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: of course that's how we got here. But now I 814 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: feel like I want to hear from us, like I 815 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: want to hear what our stories are, our feelings. I 816 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: want to hear about more than marriage. I want to 817 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: hear about more than bathrooms. I want to hear about 818 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: those things, but I want to hear about like, Hey, 819 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: what's it like to go to the doctor? Can you 820 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: make it through the scanner at the t s A line? 821 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: Because like if you're not presenting, like they don't know 822 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: whether to pick pink or blue and there's only two options, 823 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: and like now you're being padded down, you know, Like 824 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: I want to hear all of these things that we 825 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: go through on a daily basis because I feel like, 826 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, maybe people won't care. Maybe 827 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I always do better with more knowledge 828 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: about other communities, Like I always have more affection and 829 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: more solidarity the more information I have to I mean 830 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: when it is having less information ever served anybody better? 831 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: When the president was running for office? Yes, really, like honestly, 832 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: do you have information? Throw it in the trap? I 833 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 1: don't even can you wipe my brain? Okay? Then flashy 834 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: things exactly? I don't want to learn anything else? Please 835 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: and I and I started knowing nothing. Yeah, I love it. 836 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: I love it. It's so true though, um so, who 837 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: who are who out there? Do you feel like it's 838 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: making the content that you want to see? That kind 839 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: of content that you just described to their folks that 840 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: should be at our radar. I guess one person I 841 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: would recommend that I think is just like really interesting 842 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: um is Brittany Nichols, who wrote on the second season 843 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: of Take My Wife, who's also in UM two episodes 844 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: in that season, and then also like on a on 845 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: a freaking dime. UM made this indie film called Suicide 846 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: Kale that is like mostly women of color, really small 847 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: cast and all in one location. And I think, especially 848 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: if you like a creative person out there, I think 849 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: you can get it. You can get it like a 850 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: lot of places Suicide Kale k a l e UM. 851 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: But if you're somebody who's just like how can I 852 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,439 Speaker 1: I just recently had Brittany on my podcast too, which 853 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: is called Query, and Brittany like went through literally like 854 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: a little bit of how she funded it, but it's 855 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: like it's like not a ton of dollars and a 856 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of called in favors and a lot of writing 857 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: to something like it's one location, so she was able 858 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: to do it. Anyway, you should just watch that movie 859 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: and been like like your wheels spin about what you 860 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: can do if you are entering this field, Like what 861 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 1: can I do. That's in this realm because like that's 862 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: why we hired her. We saw that movie, That's why 863 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: we hired her, and then Brittany continues to have jobs. 864 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: So I love it. I mean, it's also such an 865 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: important bit about it where you watch, you consume media 866 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 1: like this and instead of just watching it and saying, 867 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: oh that was great, make have like marrying on it 868 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: and say like how how do I fit into this? 869 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: You know? Can I watch more movies by Quip books 870 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: of color? Can I fund them? Can I recommend them? Like? 871 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: Like what is my can I make them right? Like? 872 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: What is my role in this? I love that. I mean, 873 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting to to look um also 874 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: at how folks have, like we were talking about earlier 875 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: in this in this conversation, like how folks have jump 876 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: started their own careers. There's also a really great show 877 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,919 Speaker 1: that you can watch just on YouTube for free that's 878 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: called Her Story. It's like created by Gen Richards and 879 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: Laura zach and Um and it's it's like incredible what 880 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,439 Speaker 1: they were able to pull off. And then essentially that's 881 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: their calling card. Now I'm not saying that everybody can 882 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: do this. One cannot not not everybody wants to get 883 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: into television, and also not everybody can like bring their 884 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: friends together. And I mean there's barriers to entry for 885 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: every type of person. But but um, what I like 886 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: about this is looking at how the diversity of the Internet, 887 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: like that the Internet just creating different paths, pathways allows 888 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: us to see these voices like aren't an HBO yet 889 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 1: but probably will be? Yeah, yeah, because I mean think 890 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: about it like a you know, power house at HBO 891 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: gotta start on YouTube, right making a weapon? Yes, And 892 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: so maybe maybe looking also at I mean, because I've 893 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: been in the position of hiring, I will just say 894 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: that it is really easy to hire somebody who's work 895 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: you can see. And so whatever field that you're in, 896 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: if there's anything that you can make that supports you 897 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 1: getting hired. If you're somebody who's from like a an 898 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 1: underserved community or an underrepresented it doesn't matter to try 899 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: to put that little extra effort in that that and 900 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: by the way, this is actually a lot of effort, 901 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: but to get yourself noticed, definitely. So tell me about Query. 902 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: It's it's one of my favorite podcasts. If people aren't 903 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: listening to it, you're missing out. Um tell us about it. 904 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, so after the election, I don't know 905 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: how you felt. I was sad. I have spent the 906 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: majority of my career speaking to folks outside of the 907 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: queer community, and I felt like it was working, you know. 908 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: I felt like, Um, I had a career, I had 909 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of support from my peers. I felt like 910 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: I was changing minds all this stuff. And then that 911 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 1: election happened and I was like, oh was I You know, 912 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: so I think what it made me reevaluate was like 913 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: who do I need to be with? Do I need 914 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: to be with the folks that needs that, that need 915 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: their minds changed about me? Or do I need to 916 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: like be with the folks who are really scared right now? 917 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: And um, that's really what Query came from, was like 918 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: wanting to create something that everybody is invited to. It 919 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: is free, there's no barrier to entry. You could listen 920 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: if you have well I guess you have to have 921 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: a phone or computer. Um, but it really is for 922 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: this quere community specifically, because like I said, I want 923 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: to hear our stories. I want to hear the diversity 924 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: of our stories. I want to hear about more than 925 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: coming out. I want to hear about, like, if we're 926 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: gonna talk about coming out, I don't necessarily want to 927 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: spend the whole time on your parents. I want to 928 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: talk about you, like how did you feel coming out? 929 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: Because we don't we don't even get to be the 930 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 1: stars of our own stories, like in our friend groups, 931 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: sometimes in our families, in our churches, like, we're not 932 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: the stars in our own stories in life, no wonder, 933 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: we're not the stars of our own stories on TV. Yeah, 934 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: and that's true because when you think about the sort 935 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: of typical coming out story when you see it on TV, 936 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: it's about the parents and sort of how they dealt 937 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: with it, grappled with it, and that's certainly part of 938 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: the story. But yeah, you don't get the story that's 939 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 1: how did you feel? How to take me through what 940 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: you were going through? You really don't get that that often. Yeah, absolutely, 941 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean again, I think faith is a really good 942 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: example of this, Like we spend a lot of time 943 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: on like, well, this church just disagree, you know, and 944 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: we accept that as if churches aren't made of human 945 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: beings who are looking at another looking another person in 946 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: the face and saying like you are going to Hell 947 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: or you disgust me, or you're not welcome here. And 948 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, for me, I grew up really Catholic, and 949 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: when I came out, I really hated myself because I 950 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: didn't think i'd have a future. I thought I was 951 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: like going going to literal hell, which was an actual place, 952 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: is what I thought. And I think that I don't 953 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,760 Speaker 1: hear that story that much. I don't hear the story 954 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: about the person who's like, like, this isn't some this 955 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 1: isn't actual God that is talking to me right now. 956 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 1: This is a priest, or this is a or this 957 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: is a teacher at my school or whatever. This is 958 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,760 Speaker 1: a human um who read a book that was written 959 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 1: by somebody else in a different language two thousand years 960 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: ago and loosely translated multiple times. So I feel like, 961 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: let's hear about us, let's hear about what we've survived. 962 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean, young folks, like like younger than Oscar folks. 963 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: I've feel like we don't even it's like the AIDS 964 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 1: crisis that that's a generation ago. It's not that's not 965 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,919 Speaker 1: long ago, right, do young folks even like know about that? 966 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I it's interesting because the way that it's 967 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: dealt with now it makes it seem like it's so 968 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: far away, like, oh, this was the Dark Ages, and 969 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: it actually wasn't that long ago. No, those folks are 970 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: like our parents age, right, And yeah, it makes you 971 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: wonder about I often wonder about young queer folks, younger 972 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: than us, what their media landscape looks like in terms 973 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: of what's out there, you know, what are they consuming, 974 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: what messages are they internalizing about themselves, and how they 975 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: fit into the world. I think about that quite a bit. Yeah, 976 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean it is obviously, it's like it seems a 977 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: little bit so the better I think the better stuff 978 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: is that it seems like a little less performative. I 979 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: mean the stuff that like I grew up with was was, 980 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: um the cast of cruel intentions like kissing on the 981 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: MTV movie Like that was for me, Like representation was 982 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 1: like a moderately exploitative but very fun kiss you know. Um. 983 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 1: And then like now it seems like it's not just 984 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: that it's not just one kiss a year as sme 985 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: as we get like many is twenty seven, yeah, um 986 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,919 Speaker 1: we there are some non binary folks on TV. There 987 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: are some folks who are like both people of color 988 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: and queer, like as if those things could intersect. You 989 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: can you can be one or the other. You can't, can't, doesn't, 990 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, doesn't happen. Oh my god, it's amazing. Yeah. 991 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: So it does seem like they're there's there's more, um, 992 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: But I have no idea. Do you talk to like 993 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,839 Speaker 1: a lot of young queer folks. I talked to some 994 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 1: of them. Um. In my previous life, I worked for 995 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood, and I might My job involved talking specifically 996 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: to young folks like students, and there was a great 997 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: work and I was so blessed to do it. But honestly, 998 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 1: like the young folks that I talked to were all 999 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: like a different level. They were sort of like what 1000 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: you were talking about. They were not like, oh, the 1001 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,720 Speaker 1: shows we get sucked. They were I'm making a show 1002 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: in my dorm room and I'm going to rule the world. 1003 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: They were on a different level. I know, I know, 1004 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: I've been, I've been to. Uh. Something that I do 1005 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: sometimes is perform at colleges, and that is always like 1006 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: challenging because they're because you're right, there's like there's a 1007 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: like an excitement and a dissemination of ideas and younger 1008 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: folks that I think is way faster than what I 1009 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 1: grew up with, Like I was trying to learn all 1010 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,920 Speaker 1: of it through books or a human being, and so 1011 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 1: then these folks have had access to the Internet their 1012 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: entire lives, and that's a lot more information. Sometimes I'm 1013 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 1: getting like snapping when I met shows because folks are 1014 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 1: just like on my vibe and slash. I'm like, no, 1015 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm teaching you that this is the job of a 1016 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,320 Speaker 1: stand up common Wait, have you had this idea before? 1017 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: I love it? Well, I think when it was pretty cool, Yeah, 1018 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: it's it is amazing, And I think, like when you 1019 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,319 Speaker 1: translate that to like politics and activism, it is not 1020 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,879 Speaker 1: surprising to me that the people who are kind of 1021 00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: really at the forefront of a lot of our big 1022 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,359 Speaker 1: exciting political momentums right now are young folks. Because let's 1023 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 1: be real, Like a teenager with Twitter is powerful, right, 1024 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: a teenager with a laptop is powerful, And it's not 1025 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: surprising to me that they're leading movements and leading marches 1026 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: and impacting policy and having an impact because you know, 1027 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,720 Speaker 1: we've we've spent so long saying, oh, these young kids, 1028 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 1: they're not doing anything. They're eating tide pods, forget them, 1029 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: forget them. And it's like, no a teenager on Twitter. 1030 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: If a bunch of teenagers wanted to drag one particular 1031 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: person on Twitter, I would be worried for that person, right, 1032 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: like you can't you The teens are powerful, right. The 1033 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: thing that I'm excited about re r e uh. This 1034 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: the youth that's happening right, the youth like movement that's 1035 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: happening right now, especially around guns. Like this is so 1036 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: if you're a young person, maybe and this is not 1037 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,800 Speaker 1: true for everybody, you don't yet have to worry about 1038 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: like getting fired from your job because your bossies your 1039 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: political views on the internet, um, like taking care of kids. 1040 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: You don't maybe you have to worry about your own 1041 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 1: financial stability, so like you're maybe not working a job 1042 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: seventy or eighty hours a week, not that school isn't taxing, 1043 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: and also not that this is true for every teenager, 1044 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 1: but there is like something to the like a little 1045 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,680 Speaker 1: bit more freedom away from capitalism, which eventually, you know, 1046 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 1: capitalism is the reason that we're having a problem with 1047 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: guns is because folks can't like turn down the moolah 1048 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 1: behind the guns. Like, so if you're if you are 1049 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: if you enter the workforce and you are then part 1050 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: of the capitalist system, is a lot harder to like 1051 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,279 Speaker 1: have these finite stances. It is just it's harder. It's 1052 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,840 Speaker 1: not harder for me. I'm a stand up comic. I 1053 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,280 Speaker 1: get to go on the road or on the internet 1054 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: and say whatever I want. But it might be harder 1055 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: for any of your listeners who have like some day 1056 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: job and three kids and they like can't lose that 1057 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: job because they need to take care of those kids. 1058 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: Like I get it. You know, not everybody has a platform, um, 1059 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: and the opportunity to have a platform. This is very 1060 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,719 Speaker 1: exciting because I feel like just a couple of years ago, 1061 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,160 Speaker 1: we were looking at folks in this same position, like 1062 00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: young people who had not yet entered the work workforce, 1063 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: that we're saying things like, well, do we even still 1064 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: need feminism because like women have jobs now, And to me, 1065 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 1: that's like, just wait, just wait until you enter the workforce. 1066 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,800 Speaker 1: I promised to you, I promise you we still need feminism. 1067 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,680 Speaker 1: But now it feels like there's been this really cool shift. 1068 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,279 Speaker 1: It is, um one of the positive effects of this 1069 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: silliness that's happening right now, UM in our political culture 1070 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: is that like young people are taking advantage of this time, like, 1071 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: if you have the flexibility, please do that. That is awesome. 1072 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm like in love with you for doing that. Yeah, 1073 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,719 Speaker 1: and it's it's I mean, I find myself inspired by 1074 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: the youth today where it's so easy to be cynical 1075 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,720 Speaker 1: and think, oh, we'll never make change and what's the point. 1076 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: Like it's i mean, particularly Trump in the White House, 1077 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: Like it's very easy to disengage and check out, and 1078 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: to see these young people not checking out, checking all 1079 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,359 Speaker 1: the way sucking in right, Like I'm not leaning out, 1080 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm leaning in. And you know it's it's it's really 1081 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: powerful and inspiring. I know, it's like very the last Jedi, right, 1082 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: So there's like a dark force emerging in the world, 1083 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: and so then like a light force had to emerge also, 1084 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: which is the youth like coming together to Um to 1085 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 1: be Ray the hero of the Lesson. I've actually not 1086 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: seen that star Okay, well I get the reference. Um, 1087 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,759 Speaker 1: I mean you know it's a Star Wars reference. Basically. 1088 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,040 Speaker 1: It's what is interesting about it is that there's like 1089 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,320 Speaker 1: a new like there's an awakened evil and and so 1090 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: Um the Jedi Knights have been like dormant because there 1091 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,839 Speaker 1: wasn't such a strong evil. So that's that, to me, 1092 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,279 Speaker 1: is kind of what's going on here, And you don't 1093 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 1: want to You don't want to go into an election 1094 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,280 Speaker 1: that way, like, well, if if if my candidate loses, 1095 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: then at least they'll be like an awakened good in 1096 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,839 Speaker 1: the world. Like I don't think that's a good way 1097 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: to operate, because there will also be a ton of 1098 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,680 Speaker 1: damage because a lot of program made that point like 1099 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,080 Speaker 1: oh well, if Trump wins, at least there will be 1100 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: a revel luction and they'll be blood running in the 1101 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: streets and blah blah blah. I thought that's great for you, 1102 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: but think about who would actually be hurt by that? Absolutely, 1103 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,680 Speaker 1: I find and I think that point is really really 1104 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: off base to to be like almost raw rawing it 1105 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: and excited about it. Also, people would say that about art. 1106 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you were seeing that at all, like, well, 1107 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,160 Speaker 1: there's gonna be really great art made because during times 1108 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,280 Speaker 1: of stress, like really great artists made. This is not 1109 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: worth it, This is never worth it. This great art 1110 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: is never worth like somebody's life of course, um, it's 1111 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 1: never worth like deportation, it's ever worth health insurance going away. 1112 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: Of course it's not. Um, but what is does seem 1113 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 1: to be true is that there is like this force 1114 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: of good in the world that, um, if we could like, 1115 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 1: let's just keep going regardless of who's in the White House, 1116 00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: Let's have that happen. Let's have that happen. Won't that 1117 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: be great? Yeah? And it doesn't happen. There's a better 1118 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,240 Speaker 1: person in the White House. And then there's like a 1119 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,280 Speaker 1: strong good on top of good, like, oh my god, 1120 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,680 Speaker 1: what did that happen? Good on good? It could only 1121 00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 1: be good? Wow? Wow. Well, Cameron, thank you so much 1122 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: for being here today. Where can folks find out more 1123 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: about all the awesome stuff that you're up to? Yea, 1124 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 1: So Cameron has posito dot com is where you can 1125 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,440 Speaker 1: find tour dates things like that, because I tour around 1126 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 1: doing stand up. You can listen to my podcast Query 1127 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,040 Speaker 1: qu E r Y, or you listen to my podcast 1128 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: Put your Hands Together. That's a stand up podcast. Or 1129 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: you can watch my show Take My Wife that's on iTunes. 1130 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: That's so many things, so many things, so many things. 1131 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,840 Speaker 1: It was this was a great conversation than this is 1132 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,800 Speaker 1: the pleasure is mine. Thank you. Well, I'm such a 1133 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: big fan of Cameron, as you could probably tell them 1134 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 1: that interview. I was very much fan girling, and not 1135 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: just because I think she's so cool. I also am 1136 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: just very inspired by how she has taken it upon 1137 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,080 Speaker 1: herself to create the kind of content that she wants 1138 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: to see in the world. And the world is a 1139 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,920 Speaker 1: better place than we have representation like that, And I 1140 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 1: know that because of the work that she's done, somebody 1141 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have to settle for a movie like Lost and 1142 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: Delirious where they die or you know, watch an entire 1143 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: hour and a half long movie for one girl on 1144 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: girl kiss because you want to You want to see 1145 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: yourself that badly. Because of work like this, you know, 1146 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: folks can see themselves in ways that are more authentic. 1147 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: My heart is warm at the thought of more content 1148 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 1: like this and that maybe, yes, someone listening to this 1149 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: um will go out be inspired to create their own 1150 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 1: We would love that. So if you're doing that or 1151 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: you want to do that, we want to hear all 1152 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,919 Speaker 1: about it. You can find us on Twitter at mom 1153 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: Stuff podcast. 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