WEBVTT - Major Breaks 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.920 A group of high school student High school. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.760 Students Elizabeth and high school students started a project to research. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.440 A string of unsolved murders. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.880 Their research led to the identification of the killer. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.920 Investigators now have an answer to a thirty four year 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:16.640 old question. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.720 Once you start getting a few tips, or a few leads, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:25.360 or few identifications, then the cold case isn't so cold anymore. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.520 There's a pretty good chance he's still alive. Everything that 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.760 the students predicted through their profile turned out to be accurate. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:38.839 Redhead Killer profile male Caucasian, five nine, six hundred and 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.160 seventy pounds, unstable home, absent father, and a domineering mother, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.960 right handed, i Q above one hundred, most likely heterosexual. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.000 There is no profile of this killer except for the 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.280 ones the students created. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.840 Just because some of these women no longer have people 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.640 to speak for them does not mean that they deserve 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:56.840 to not be so anymore. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.960 What if this guy's still alive? Like, what if becomes 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:00.080 after us? 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:00.800 You're gonna kill me? 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.160 Who's a Yeah? 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.199 This is Murder one oh one, Season one, Episode four, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:17.920 Major Breaks. I'm Jeff Shane, a television and podcast producer 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.399 at Katie Studios with Stephanie Leidecker, Courtney Armstrong, and Andrew Arnoult. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.880 The semester may have been over, but the mystery was 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:28.240 just beginning to unravel. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.040 So what happened was the students had tried to bring 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.959 the case back up. It had this media blitz, It'd 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.440 been featured all over the nation. They have a name 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.920 for the killer, they have a way to separate these 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.680 six out from the rest of the victims, and I 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.520 think it just really got a media firestorm really going, 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.880 and it brought up a lot of attention back to 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.640 these cases. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.680 In the fall of twenty eighteen, with the Campbell County 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.240 Jane Doe identified as Tina Farmer, mister Campbell got incredible 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.600 news that officials were retesting the DNA of yet another case. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.440 I'll tell you what's so crazy is that we knew 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.760 they were testing the DNA of the Knox County chained up, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.880 and we knew that had been they had collected the 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.040 DNA because we talked to the woman who they felt 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.480 was her daughter. So we had we'd talked to her 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:18.760 and I talked to her, and she had written this 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.560 letters and so we had communicated with her. So we 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.839 were just waiting on that DNA because the Kentucky State 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.480 Police are like, we submitted it. It's going to be 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.160 any day. We don't know when, but like it could 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:27.600 be a day. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.040 The alleged daughter of the Knox County Jane Doe, a 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.160 woman named Elizabeth Pilgrim, spoke about how she felt about 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:34.880 the whole situation. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:44.680 I think it's her the necklaces, my brother recognizing the birthmark, 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.280 the stay, you know, the two's, the scar, like it 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.440 just fits into place. Not knowing is like the worst part. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.359 And then you got to keep being put on hold 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:01.520 and put on hold. You know, it's heartbreaking a little bit. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:07.800 And when that is her is a major part. But 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.680 I don't think that's gonna be fully all my closure. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.160 As it turned out, Elizabeth's mother, Apsey, was in fact 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.600 the Knox County Jane Doe. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:22.200 You have two identifications by in rapid succession. And now 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.280 what happens is the media frenzy is going even more 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.640 right because of course people start calling the TBI, and 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.520 they start calling the local police agencies and they start saying, well, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.280 what does this mean? Are we looking at other cases? 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.320 Are these related to any others? Could she have been killed, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.440 you know, by the same person? As somebody else. So 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.520 within six months of the press conference, we now have 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.600 four of the victims identified. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.480 Here's what we know about each victim, according to mister 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:50.760 Campbell's classes research. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.280 On October first, twenty eighteen, the Knox County Sheriff's Office 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.119 now this woman had been positively identified as Esbi Regina 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.840 Black Pilgrim of western North Carolina. A DNA match was 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.800 made between her and her grown daughter, who said her 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.520 mother disappeared when the girl was six weeks old. Pilgrim 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.960 also had four older children. A friend of Pilgrim's had 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.640 noticed the case when the Kentucky State Police posted about 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.760 unidentified victims on social media sites, and she contacted the 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.120 daughter saying she felt it was her missing mother. They 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.080 both contacted authorities with the information Esbee was a stay 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.960 at home mom. The husband came home for lunch only 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.200 to find his wife missing and the youngest child crying 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.919 in the crib. The husband went to authorities, but it 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.120 appears it was not taken seriously as she had left 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.520 the home many times before. 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.760 The Green County Jane Doe was not identified until November 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.520 twenty eighteen, when officials announced that the victim was new 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:01.440 Hampshire native Elizabeth Lamont at the time of her death. 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.120 Lamont had disappeared on April sixth, nineteen eighty four, after 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.160 gaining lead from her youth facility to attend a football 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.440 game at the local high school, but never returned to 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:16.320 the group home where she resided in Manchester. She was 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.520 identified through a DNA magic. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.839 But identifying the victim wasn't the biggest break in the case. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.200 Mister Campbell spoke about the investigation into Tina Farmer's murder. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.679 Once she's identified, of course, there's like this renewed interest 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.279 and maybe we should look at things, and they resubmit, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.919 or maybe for the first time they submitted, because DNA 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.200 really wasn't much of an investigative tool at that time, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.719 but they submit some of the evidence from her case. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.800 In this case, it was a blanket and they find 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.880 DNA on it that's in you know, the database for offenders. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.800 When they found out that he was the killer man, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.400 the case just went crazy because now instead of all 0:05:55.440 --> 0:06:00.120 of us having all that we had was victimology, now 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.080 we actually had a suspect. So not only can we 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.719 look at the victims and say where were they, when 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.040 were they there? We can begin to look at the 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.599 suspect and say where was he? 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.480 Investigators now have an answer to a thirty four year 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.159 old question. The TBI says it knows who killed Tina 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:19.960 Marie Farmer. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.040 In December of twenty eighteen, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigators 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.880 otherwise known as the TBI, held a surprise press conference. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.760 Good afternoon, I'm Jared Efler, the elected District Attorney for 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.120 Tennessee's eighth Judicial District, of which Campbell County is a 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.560 part of. On January the first, nineteen eighty five, an 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.679 unidentified female body was discovered murdered along Interstate seventy five 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.520 in Campbell County, Tennessee. At that time, an investigation was 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:56.200 launched by the TBI to determine two things, the identity 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:02.120 of the unknown female and who was responsible for her debt. Yesterday, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.679 the results of that investigation were presented to the Campbell 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:06.719 County Grand Jury. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:08.760 The grand jury. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.160 Found that the unidentified body was that of Tina Marie 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:17.960 Farmer of Marion County, Indiana. Additionally, the grand jury found 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.880 that there was affiicient proof to believe that Jerry Johns 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.559 of Cleveland, Tennessee, caused her death. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.120 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:48.680 a moment. Murder one on one. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.640 I'm Brad Neeland, Deputy director for the Tennessee Girl Investigation. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.280 We'd like to thank General Efforts in his office for 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.040 their efforts and support on this case. Hasn't been easy, 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.680 but we never gave up, and that represents our commitment 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:09.360 to all cases, even those deemed cold. Our agency exists 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.560 that ghilpshall askate, no insocence, suffer, and we're gratified that 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.160 we can now provide some answers to the family of 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.960 Tina Farmer. DNA was found on items that was analyzed. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.680 As a result, a DNA profile was entered into combined 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:34.080 DNA index system, resulting in a match that profile mastered 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.360 out of Jerry John's. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.720 It's a major break. TBI agents say they now know 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.000 who killed Tina Farmer in nineteen eighty four and then 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.240 dump that redhead on the side of I seventy five 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.480 in Campbell County. Investigators today named the suspect in the 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.160 death of Tina Farmer. It could also be the break 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.720 agents need to close a half dozen other murder cases. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.000 This is a key step for an investigation spanning more 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:03.720 than three decades. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.320 Since these students started connecting the dots, the name of 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.800 another victim was identified, and TBI investigators now say Jerry 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.280 Leon Johns is believed to be the killer of at 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:14.719 least one of the victims. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.000 You know, the killer behind an infamous three decade old 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.280 murdering Campbell County. The TBI says Jerry Johns from Cleveland, Tennessee, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.120 killed Tina Farmer and dumped her body a long eye 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:26.880 seventy five. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.440 During the press conference, a reporter asked the connection between 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.479 Tina Farmer and Jerry Johns. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.280 How john happening? 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.040 Is there any kind of insight you have on what 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:38.480 might have. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:39.400 Happened to lead to this. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.120 You know that she had been at a truck stop 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.560 near her hometown, and mister Johns was a long haul 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.200 truck driver, and we believe the connection lies somewhere in there. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.520 Everything that the students predicted through their profile turned out 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.720 to be accurate. What jumped out to us immediately is 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.000 that Jerry Johns was a trucker. Now, that really blew 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.560 the case wide opened, because you're not just working it 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.240 from the angle of the victim, You're working it from 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:06.800 the angle of the perpetrator as will. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.360 During his investigative work on the story, Shane Waters was 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.760 able to track down Jerry John's ex wife. She provided 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.560 shocking details about the man that would eventually become the 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.560 Bible Belt strangler. The following is based off of Shane's 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:20.959 recollection of his conversation. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.240 Well, when I met with Jerry Johnson's ex wife, she 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.280 tells me the story about when they first met. He 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.640 was I think twenty one, and he was a wall 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.439 from the military hiding out in her parents's at it. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:44.680 They were his neighbors, his parents's neighbors, so he was 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.920 a wall from the military hiding out in her attic. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.600 She was very young. I think she said that she 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:55.240 was twelve, and they end up having a sexual relationship. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:01.080 And when she told me that at this moment where 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.920 I thought he may be even more of a monster 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.640 than I realized. So they end up getting married, he 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.800 ends up getting her pregnant, and you know, she's only 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.680 at that point where she gets pregnant. She says she 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.000 was thirteen, and she goes to her dad and she 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:22.920 tells him that she's pregnant, and that is when Jerry 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.400 Johnson her learns that they're actually half brother and sister 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:33.240 because Jerry Johns's mom, she was a prostitute and she 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:38.440 slept with her neighbor's dad, and because of that, Jerry 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:44.559 Johns was actually his son. So when they learned that 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.360 her dad was trying to convince them to have an 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.400 abortion to abort that child, they refuse to do that. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.679 And so what they ended up doing was moving down 0:11:55.720 --> 0:12:00.760 to Texas with his mom for a few reasons. One 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.840 because she was so young, even in Tennessee at that time, 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.360 that was not acceptable for him being over twenty one 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.319 in her only being thirteen. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.200 To clarify, Jerry Johns's ex wife told Shane that she 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.320 had inadvertently married and gotten pregnant with her half brother's baby. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.560 To avoid punishment, the couple moved to Texas to raise 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:23.199 their child. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.839 He ended up having to go to prison because of 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.600 going a wall from the military, and during that time 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.960 she told me that his mom would take her to 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:40.000 different bars in places and prostitute her out to help 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:45.200 make aanes meet. His ex wife told me he developed 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:46.880 a lot of resentment for his mom. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.400 Shane learned another seemingly important detail during his conversation with 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:57.840 Jerry Johns's ex wife, his mom. 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.680 And his wife was a redhead and though John's. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.040 Over the years, we learned that Jerry Johns have been 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.400 arrested for a variety in fractions, everything from auto theft, 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:13.280 caring concil weapon, obstructing an officer all the way to arson. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.760 So during our research we were able to find what 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.040 a lot of law enforcement and medical officials said about 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.360 Jerry Johns. And let me tell you the things that 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.079 we read, it was just chilling how accurate they would 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.720 come to be. Johns is conniving. He's a manipulating type 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.200 of individual whose own self interest has played a large 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.959 part in his arrival at this situation. Jerry Johns is 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:42.440 viewed as immature, dissocial individual who admits to the use 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.840 of depressants and hallucinogenic drugs. He has demonstrated a pattern 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.200 of having escaped from the brig at Camp Pendleton and 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.040 then escaping from an armed guard and plotting to escape 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.120 from a county jail. Mister John's demonstrated inability to profit 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:03.000 from experience, making him a prime candidate for continued criminal activity. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.839 He is considered by this writer to be criminally oriented, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.280 and a good prediction would be that this man will 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.720 continue to be involved in law violations for a number 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.640 of years to come. It is believed that Johns is 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.760 just beginning a long career as a law violator. It 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:24.240 is this writer's impression that John's is capable of serious crimes. However, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.320 it is noted that this opinion cannot be documented. It 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.480 should be noted that he is considered a definite escape risk. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.160 John's is a very immature and responsible individual with a 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.800 hot temper. He openly verbalizes anger and hostility toward authority 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.720 figures his prognosis or community adjustment is guarded. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.840 The tbi's press conference revealed an update that would change 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:48.640 the investigation. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.720 Obviously, the most challenging thing for me is just the 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.440 fact that we're not able to charge this individual because 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:55.440 he's already deceased. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.960 He died in prison in twenty fifteen, serving time for 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.240 the attempted murderer of another redhead. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.120 Despite knowing her killer, agents say they can't charge him. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.280 The suspect died four years ago. Jerry Johns was serving 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.280 time for trying to kill someone else. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.280 Both women had red hair, and he tried to kill 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.280 them in the same way, leaving their bodies in the 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:18.240 side of the interstate. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.640 Jerry Johns died in prison in twenty fifteen, where he 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.920 was serving time for the attempted murder of another redheaded woman, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.520 a woman named Linda more On. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:31.320 Her later, had mister Johns been alive at the time 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.080 the case was presented to the grand jury yesterday, he 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.280 would have been charged for the first degree murder of 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.000 Tana Marie Farmer. We are extremely disappointed that we're not 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.040 able to prosecute mister Johns. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.480 Jerry Leon Johnson is dead, so they can't have a 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.720 trial for a dead man. But the best thing they 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.480 could do to consider the case closed was to take 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.720 the information they had to a grand jury, and if 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.640 the grand jury returned to Trouville, then they would consider 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.560 this a closed case. When you go to a grand jury, 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.720 they the return what's called a true bill if they 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.520 feel there is enough evidence to proceed to a trial, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.800 or they return a no bill where there is not 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.520 enough evidence that they think it should proceed to a trial. 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.200 And then once that is returned, it's up to the 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:18.040 DA's office to decide if they want to continue with charges. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.680 So it has happened at times that a true bill 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.520 has been returned and the DA did not decide to 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.840 take it to trial. That for example, happened in the 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.440 John in a Ramsey case in case you're curious, but 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.840 normally that is why das take it to a grand jury, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.280 to see if a jury of the peers would think 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.000 that was enough evidence to go ahead and move forward 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.160 with the trial. That's what they did in the Tena 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.600 Farmer case, and they could presumably do that again in 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.120 some of these other cases as well. Getting a true 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.320 bill from a grand jury, especially against someone who's already 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.360 dead and they can be punished in any way, may 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.760 not feel like a priority for maybe law enforcement, but 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.560 for these families know who is responsible for taking their 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.440 loved one away, that would be very important for them. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.359 And then, of course also we have two victims that 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.120 have not even been identified yet, so continuing to work 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.120 on those cases and get their identifications would be very 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.800 important for those families as well. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.840 The tbi's press conference also led to more questions. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.360 There's people who have. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.360 Drawn connections between Farmer's murderer and others. 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.960 Is this potentially the person who. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:29.960 Did all of these crimes. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.520 We're open to options on that. We're still looking into 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:37.040 other possibilities on other cases Right now, I can't tell 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.760 you with any definitive proof that he's involved in any 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:41.320 other cases. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.359 Despite mister Campbell's class having just presented their findings months 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.160 earlier that helped lead to Tina Farmer's identification, the TBI 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.360 made no mention of them during their press conference. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.240 I'd like to recognize Special Agent Brandon Alkins an intelligence 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.359 analyst Amy Emberton for the work on this case years. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.200 Agan Elkins has been working this case for the last 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.600 ten years. He was assigned the case as a detective 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.520 while working for the Campbell County Sheriff's Department, and continued 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.640 to work on the case after he was hired by 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:20.560 the TBI. In twenty sixteen, Agan Elkins resubmitted evidence in 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.200 this case to the TBI Crime Lavatory for examination. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.280 As a reminder, mister Campbell's students presented their findings in 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.280 May of twenty eighteen. 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.280 In August twenty eighteen, Agent Elkins was made aware of 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:39.800 Elena Marie Ken McKinney Farmer, who was reportedly missing from Indiana. 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.439 MSS Farmer matched description of the unidentified female found in 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:49.320 Campbell County. TBI intelligence analyst Amy Emerton was able to 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:53.160 track down a fingerprint card on Farmer from the early eighties. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.679 Those fingerprints were compared against the postmortem prints of the 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:03.720 Campbell County Jane Do, resulting in a positive match. Since 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.920 that time, Agan Elkins has been working diligently to put 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.119 the missing pieces of this case together. This is a 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.560 perfect example of how determination, combined the traditional police work 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.680 and modern day science could lead to major developments in 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.920 cold cases. We have more cases like this to pursue, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.800 and we will pursue them as time and resources allow, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.679 because we believe justice demands it. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.560 The TBI did all they could to make sure that 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.320 Alex and I did not show up to that press comfort. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.520 So what happened was late the night before the press 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.320 conference of the TV I was putting together, they put 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:51.200 out a little fee to the local media and cannesee 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.879 it letting them know that early the next morning, I 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:56.239 think it was like an eight o'clock there is going 0:19:56.280 --> 0:20:01.560 to be a press conference in regards to Tina Farmer's case. Well, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.800 one of the local reporters who still have my number 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.119 called me and to let me know, and he's like, 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.080 this is very unusual and they did this. But he's like, 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.000 I have a feeling that it's it's to keep someone 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.760 from coming there, and I was like, well, I wonder 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.679 who that is. So I called Alex to let him know, 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.600 and he's like, well, I'm going to try to go. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.800 And so Alex was able to maneuver himself to be 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.880 able to get their time the next morning to get 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.880 to this press conference. They get to the end, they 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:38.119 allowed people to ask questions. So then I hear a 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:39.560 very familiar with boys. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:45.000 Thanks guys. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.000 Yes, our PI has a copy of those, and you 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.439 know that's like public record at this time, and she 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.800 will distribute those at the conclusion of this conference. 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:57.800 Okay, and you know the name of the family members 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.080 that you spent with the verses the last fun. 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:02.400 That's the question for Joel als. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.400 I don't feel comfortable releasing that information right now. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:27.360 Let's stop here for another quick break. Murder one O one. 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.200 Immediately, I think that they realized that Alex was with 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.440 the podcast group, and so they shut the whole thing down. 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.040 The director of the TBI kind of steps in and 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.600 he's like, all right, we're gonna end this here. Everyone 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.639 have a good day, and they all walk out, and 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.719 as they walk out, the director walks up to Alex 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.920 and he's like, you must be with the podcast group. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.000 We've reached out to the TBI and they've to participate 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:01.879 in this podcast. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.639 I mean, look, they're the cops. They test the DNA, 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.160 they get the fingerprints, they go knock on the doors. 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.200 They do very important work that you know, the students 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.720 can't do. But you know, keeping this in the media 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.280 spotlight and out there in the public and you know, 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.919 on true crime websites and blogs and podcasts like that 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.159 is actually how they got the tip about Tina Farmer 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.520 from a woman who was looking at these true crime 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:33.919 missing persons blogs. So we know that that's keeping it 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:37.119 out there just kind of seems disingenuous to say, you know, 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.439 we want the public to help us, and then you 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:41.800 have these people that have probably worked harder than anybody 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.240 except law enforcement, and they're not really recognized for that 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:53.480 help that they request. There so much should happened, and 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.879 we had so much new information to look at. It 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:59.000 seemed like the perfect time to dive back into these cases. 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.840 We really just needed to look at all the information 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.480 kind of trickled out over the last five years, put 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.040 that together and see, you know, are there some of 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.960 these victims that need to be excluded redhead victims, yes, 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.280 but maybe not victims of the Bible belt strangler. Or 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.280 maybe there's some new victims that need to be included. 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.480 Lots of new information that come out and it needed 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.399 to be reanalyzed. In a lot of these kind of 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:27.119 new developments, I mean, there's still victims out here that 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.119 have not been identified, so there's still families that do 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:33.440 not know what happened to their weapons. We also find 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.240 out that maybe we need to relook at our list. 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.160 So our list of six, for example, we just used 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.840