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Speaker 1: continue to discuss all the latest head coaching news around

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Speaker 1: so of the athletic Mike Defabo, Mike first timer here

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Speaker 1: on the Drive. Thanks, thanks for joining us, partner, Excited

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Speaker 1: to chat with you, and let's jump into it. First

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Speaker 1: of all, let me ask let me ask you this

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Speaker 1: before we get into some some additional Steelers specifics, if

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Speaker 1: we can just rewind a bit, are you convinced that

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin will not coach in twenty twenty six or

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Speaker 1: do you think that maybe there's a Josh Allen sized

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Speaker 1: opportunity or anything like that that could entice him to return,

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Speaker 1: or do you do you think that we will definitely

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Speaker 1: see Mike Tomlin take at least a year away.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's only one person knows the answer to

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Speaker 2: that question. That's Mike Tomlin. But based on what I understand,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Christian Koon said it on his podcast.

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Speaker 2: He said that Mike Tomlin told them in that final

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Speaker 2: team meeting, there's not another team that I want to

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Speaker 2: coach for. And when you hear Art Rooney when we

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Speaker 2: bring up speculation about a potential trade, and he kind

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Speaker 2: of immediately snuffed that out and said, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: Mike told me he's not really interested in that right now.

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Speaker 2: If that becomes a possibility, we'll approach that if it happens.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's it's unlikely, but I guess you

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Speaker 2: never really know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: So before we get into the candidates, Mike, there has

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Speaker 3: been some talk, you know that Steelers exit meetings, they

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Speaker 3: a lot of them mentioned Aaron Rodgers. I'd love to

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Speaker 3: play with him again another year. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: even know if he's going to be a football player

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Speaker 3: next year. But do you do think there's a chance.

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Speaker 3: Is that door still open in your opinion for both

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that the door is open for both

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Speaker 2: I think that's a good way to phrase it. Because

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Speaker 2: leading up to that season finale, we asked Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: easily just shut it down and said, listen, guys, all

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Speaker 2: I care about is this game against the Ravens, nothing more.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk later. But that's not what he said.

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Speaker 2: What he said was after the year, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be a free agent, and I'm going to have a

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Speaker 2: lot of options. And then he kind of chuckled and said, well,

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Speaker 2: maybe not a lot, but maybe one or two. And

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Speaker 2: when he said that, the two teams that came through

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Speaker 2: my mind were, maybe you run it back with the Steelers,

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Speaker 2: or maybe there's some kind of a marriage with the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings. You know, he definitely had conversations with Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 2: Those guys have a relationship that dates back at least

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Speaker 2: two decades, and it seemed like Rogers was intrigued by

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Speaker 2: that possibility. You know, JJ McCarthy, that whole experiment has

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Speaker 2: not played out the way anyone would have anticipated. He

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Speaker 2: maybe that's a possibility, you know, and like being an.

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Speaker 4: Appeal spot for sure. Yeah, sure, I mean, and.

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Speaker 2: I think that the Steelers would keep the door open.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that their initial plan, at least

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Speaker 2: what it looks like from the outside, was they were

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Speaker 2: stockpiling draft capital, playing to move up, and what was

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Speaker 2: at least leave the door open. I think the good

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Speaker 1: That Motel six or red roofin will leave the light

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Speaker 1: on for you. Yeah, one of those. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's Mike the fabo of the athletic with

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Speaker 1: us here on the drive, all right, Mike. So a

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Speaker 1: couple hours ago, I was researching the latest Vegas odds

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you Wes that those seem like three

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Speaker 2: is going to continue to play out. I wouldn't expect

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Speaker 2: Next week seems like a more realistic time frame, or

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Speaker 2: that move. But you know, when you look at those guys,

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people looked at Mike McCarthy initially,

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Speaker 4: And recycling his name into the news cycle.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me, based on some things that I've heard,

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Speaker 2: more than that, he's worked with a lot of different

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Speaker 2: hope would be that you bring him in and he

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Speaker 2: the obvious downside is he's sixty two years old, so

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Speaker 2: how long do you expect to have that guy in position?

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Speaker 4: But I think that I think he's realistic.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, some of the other ones you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: I think Chris Shula would make sense.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's more in the.

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Speaker 2: Mold of what the Steelers historically have favored. He's thirty

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Speaker 2: nine years old. He's a defensive minded coach, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think that he's done a good job of borrowing

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Speaker 2: of those guys certainly make sense if the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: a short list, you know, wouldn't surprise me if all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great analysis on all three of them, and

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Speaker 3: that's not the easiest thing to do. I say that

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Speaker 3: a lot you know, talking being an analyst, talking about

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm kind of intrigued by this Nathan Shieldhouse.

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Speaker 2: Old, and maybe it's too early for him as a

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Speaker 2: a way you could bring him in as an offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 4: Turned to golden quickly.

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Speaker 2: Those guys are ascending head coaches, and I guess the

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Speaker 2: biggest reason why I either him or you know, Klay Kubiak,

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Speaker 2: another offensive mind. The reason why I like the idea

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Steelers are in this position where

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Speaker 2: they're looking for a head coach because it was difficult

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Speaker 2: if Schielhouse is next necessarily that guy, but I do

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Speaker 2: like the idea of an offensive guy.

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Speaker 1: We like the idea of being able to just say,

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Speaker 1: Steel has Steel hass around here all the time. Mike,

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Speaker 1: last one I've got for you. Earlier today, we got

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Speaker 1: by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as their special teams coordinator,

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Speaker 1: fifty years into his coaching career, seventy two years old,

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Speaker 1: still going strong. But obviously we'll miss him. I gotta

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Speaker 1: imagine he will. It won't be quite the same at

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Speaker 1: training camp and practice without him hooting and hollering and

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Speaker 1: you know, chomping on bubblegum every single day.

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Speaker 4: He will be very much missed. I mean, I just

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Speaker 2: The Steelers have the media in what used to be

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Speaker 2: a racquetball court off to the side of the indoor facility,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be sitting in there doing our work while

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Speaker 2: the Steelers are doing their walkthrough, and all you.

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Speaker 4: Can hear is Danny Smith.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're gonna go blue, We're gonna go blow, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna go all right, We've got steel right still right here.

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Speaker 4: And I mean he had as much as he was.

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Speaker 2: An old guy, and I mean he still had the

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Speaker 2: a football guy. I remember a couple of years ago

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Speaker 4: So true football guy and a true.

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Speaker 2: Character that I'm sure will be missed here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I'll definitely miss him as well. He's a blast to

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Speaker 3: be around.

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Speaker 1: Mike.

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Speaker 3: Last day I got for you is I don't believe this,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like a lot of our listeners would

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Speaker 3: kind of be uninspired by a McCarthy hire, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's totally unfair, and I urged them to kind

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Speaker 3: of look deeper into what he's done in this league.

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Speaker 3: You get those vibes too, just because oh, that's real

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there is a little bit of

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Speaker 4: I think he would win people over as long as

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Speaker 4: he wins. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: And you know, to my earlier point about offensive minded coaches,

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Speaker 2: like I think that the league has really very much

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Speaker 2: trended in an offensive direction, and like I think that finding,

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Speaker 2: developing drafting the next quarterback is paramount to this team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all about you look at the teams

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Speaker 2: that have the most success, they've got a really good

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Speaker 2: offensive mind, they've got a really good head coach first

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Speaker 2: of all, many of them offensive minded, and then they've

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Speaker 2: got the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And so finding the head coach is just one piece

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Speaker 4: of it.

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Speaker 2: And if you've got an offensive guy who's done it

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Speaker 2: with Brett Farr, who's done it with Aaron Rodgers, maybe

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Speaker 2: he could help you get that second piece to help

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Speaker 2: produce that winning sustainable formula.

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Speaker 1: That would certainly be the most exciting part of it

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Speaker 1: from my standpoint, absolutely, and that might be more important

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Speaker 1: even than finding your next long term head coach in

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Speaker 1: this in this kind of read have.

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Speaker 3: To be here for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: They don't. They could be here for They could be

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Speaker 1: here for four, five or six and help develop your

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Speaker 1: next franchise quarters.

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't be so terrible.

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Speaker 1: Leave you in a great situation. Great stuff from our

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Speaker 1: buddy Mike to FABO. Make sure you are checking out

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Speaker 1: all his work and all his coverage in the athletic

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Speaker 1: as we continue to ride this coaching carousel out together. Mike,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the time, buddy, and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, guys, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there he goes the great Mike de Faebo.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff from him, And like I said, he is

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that you should definitely be keeping

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Speaker 1: an eye in, an ear on and open to all

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Speaker 1: his coverages. He's in lockstep grinding those sources away.

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Speaker 3: He's on top of the backgrounds of all these guys.

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Speaker 3: He went back all the way to coaching Montana.

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Speaker 1: I like it. He knows his stuff. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: some of these young guys are doing the thing. He's

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Speaker 1: young whipper snappers, still have all that energy to get

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Speaker 1: out there and do the thing. It is Motel six

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Speaker 1: by the way. We'll leave you, okay, yeah, we'll leave

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Speaker 1: This is Tom, this is Tom Bodett here, and we'll

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Speaker 1: leave the light on for you