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Speaker 1: and blue today and this is talking Cowboys, Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Brian brought us in. Mickey Spagnola and why
Speaker 1: I said, right off the top, we are living the
Speaker 1: American dream. Because just moments ago I saw one of
Speaker 1: the workers here at the Marriott River Residence in the
Speaker 1: River Ridge, and I said, we just said in passing
Speaker 1: high to each other. I said, how you doing? He said,
Speaker 1: I'm living the American dream. So I think that's the
Speaker 1: attitude all of us should have today. I thought you
Speaker 1: were wearing your Oklahoma No, no, no, that's this just
Speaker 1: came up in the rotation. Yeah it's this. It's this.
Speaker 1: Of the ten outfits you have out here, this is
Speaker 1: disnumber one or disnumber three. Whatever we wear today, Well,
Speaker 1: I did laundry on Monday. We're back around in the rotation. Good,
Speaker 1: this is number two in the rotations. It's a little
Speaker 1: large for me, so I have to tuck it in.
Speaker 1: So working working out, you're doing that, well, it's just
Speaker 1: too long. Okay. It's like I wearing a dress, so
Speaker 1: you got to tuck it in instead of what we
Speaker 1: normally do out here is people have untucked shirts right
Speaker 1: absolutely out. Nightmare. I don't think my deals working here.
Speaker 1: Oh you can you hear your head? So I can't hear.
Speaker 1: Here's what you do. Here's a professional broad already. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you do that with your all right? I was
Speaker 1: kind of wait to the break, Mickey, But that's okay.
Speaker 1: Mine's the American nightmare. And by the way, Mickey has
Speaker 1: made amends with the leaf blower out here. It's a
Speaker 1: new one. It's a new one. It's a different different guy.
Speaker 1: I might have got him fired. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: this guy at least asked. He goes, now, what time
Speaker 1: do you start? I said nine o'clock. He goes, I'll
Speaker 1: be done by then. It's like all right. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the leaf blower affected the Jason Garrett press conference.
Speaker 1: Was it yesterday? Yeah? I was yesterday yesterday. You want
Speaker 1: to know if anybody knew the leaf blower? And I
Speaker 1: looked over at Mickey and the press conference and he
Speaker 1: was like doing this like nod. Yeah, yeah, he's had
Speaker 1: his own d leagues with him. As we get the
Speaker 1: headset corrected here, how is that? Was everybody doing well?
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to say, how's everybody doing? Okay, this
Speaker 1: is practice number six today, how's this team doing out here?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what yesterday. Defensively, the team did very well.
Speaker 1: I thought that if you were if you were scoring
Speaker 1: the practice the way the defense came out, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it started with the stuff that
Speaker 1: they were doing with the two on two, with the
Speaker 1: defensive backs working against the receivers, you know, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you get a couple of stops,
Speaker 1: you get a couple of nice plays, you knock the
Speaker 1: ball away. Chris Richard is you know, now the coach
Speaker 1: is involved. The coaches The coaches like, now he's all
Speaker 1: over the receivers. And so I've never seen a coach
Speaker 1: I wrote to some of my notes, it's up on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com today. I've never seen a coach
Speaker 1: get after the other like the the offense or the
Speaker 1: defense the way the challenging. Yeah, he it wasn't like
Speaker 1: challenge him and it was like he was willing to
Speaker 1: go out and fight those And I can only imagine
Speaker 1: if Golly does Bright or somebody was here been Oh,
Speaker 1: that would have been a lot of fun. But there
Speaker 1: was a lot of energy with the practice, a lot
Speaker 1: of energy from the defensive side of the ball. We
Speaker 1: saw turnovers, they work on that all time, Layton vanderesh
Speaker 1: ripping one out there, so you know, interceptions, We've seen
Speaker 1: kind of all kinds of things from this defense, some good,
Speaker 1: some bad. But yes, I thought the majority it was
Speaker 1: pretty good. Did you see the way justin March Lillard
Speaker 1: finished off that race to the end. Yeah, as he's
Speaker 1: going to beat the coach, he's weaving through the one
Speaker 1: on one offensive. I was watching the pass rush one
Speaker 1: on one over there, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: here comes a guy flashing down there. I think he
Speaker 1: did a flip into the end zone. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what, that's what you need after a day off, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you get out of your routine, you get a
Speaker 1: little relaxed and you gotta juice people up. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that might have been somewhat what was behind
Speaker 1: the emotion. But it was good. It's a training camp,
Speaker 1: let's go. I think it's what you need for the
Speaker 1: entire camp. In practice. You got so many new faces,
Speaker 1: you got so many young guys, and I think we
Speaker 1: probably asked the question day one, like who you mentioned Dez?
Speaker 1: Who replaces Dez's intensity? Yeah, I think it's a coach.
Speaker 1: I think it's Chris Richard, honestly, And uh, well that's good.
Speaker 1: I think we're still I think we're already seeing the
Speaker 1: DB's feed off of what he does. Um, they love
Speaker 1: him already. Confidence. Yeah, that's something you know. Usually you
Speaker 1: see a guy like Byron Jones, who's usually pretty you know,
Speaker 1: he could play pretty reserved. I mean he gives you
Speaker 1: the incomplete when he knocks away a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: he had, you know, makes us continue to make plays
Speaker 1: here in this camp. But he he was They were
Speaker 1: they were going back and forth. Lance Lenore and Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis were getting into it, and Jordan Lewis tried to
Speaker 1: jump in there and get Lewis. We'll get into it,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Richard's like, you get out of there.
Speaker 1: You don't run these drills. Somebody else get in there,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he was like he he wants
Speaker 1: somebody else to get a piece, you know, And he
Speaker 1: was yelling at Jorge, he was yelling at Lanceloor like
Speaker 1: you don't want us, you don't want us. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh gosh, I mean this is but that's
Speaker 1: but that's I think, like, you know, we're all talking
Speaker 1: about here, the energy level at practice, like Mickey said too,
Speaker 1: especially after a day off, you know. And the thing
Speaker 1: about Jason Garrett, he grew up in a system here
Speaker 1: like when they when Mickey you guys were covering the
Speaker 1: team in Austin, there was a lot of that. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of going back and forth. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of competitive So he's gonna let things go.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna let the jawing go, he's gonna
Speaker 1: let the physical play. You know. He's not quick to
Speaker 1: jump in there and break it up. He's letting guys
Speaker 1: go at it and be competitive. And I think that's
Speaker 1: that's something like Rob said, it's good to see actually
Speaker 1: secretly he's smiling. And how about those days you used
Speaker 1: to cover like the joint scrimmages with the Raiders and
Speaker 1: you know, Al Davis is like, okay, we've had enough,
Speaker 1: pull them back, you know, and Jimmy's got his pomp pomp,
Speaker 1: come on, you're doing it. But that's I think that's
Speaker 1: I think you have to have that. Now. I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing you go out in cheap shot guys in camp
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But if you're if it's if
Speaker 1: it's guys rallying for each other, you know, that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. And as Chris Rashard said after practice, it's
Speaker 1: iron sharpening iron. It's it's your challenging the offense and
Speaker 1: the and vice versa. The offense challenges the defense, and
Speaker 1: that's how the whole team gets better. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: by tomorrow will have a good one. Yeah, we'll have
Speaker 1: one of those firefights, you know, dash fights of francs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, before we get started off, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk a lot about the defense over
Speaker 1: the course of the next hour and yesterday's practice. But
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Speaker 1: day out here. It's a great it's a free experience,
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Speaker 1: up close with the these Cowboys players and be a
Speaker 1: part of it. But Sunday is the is the annual
Speaker 1: Blue White Scrimmage. A lot of it will look like
Speaker 1: a regular practice. They'll have a scrimmage though at the
Speaker 1: end it's gonna be televised right here on Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Fort Worth as well. Yeah, and again to reiterate your point, though, Bill,
Speaker 1: come on out and see because the intensity has you know,
Speaker 1: through one week, there's a lot of kind of feeling
Speaker 1: some things out it. And now you know players know
Speaker 1: this too. You know, you start running out of practices,
Speaker 1: you know, you start running out of Okay, I've got
Speaker 1: a game next week, and these games are gonna start
Speaker 1: coming from a Yeah, games are just gonna start coming fast.
Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, it's gonna be September
Speaker 1: one and they're gonna have a cutdown. So the sense
Speaker 1: of urgency for the players, yeah, for the guys that
Speaker 1: are on the fifty three man roster, you think that's
Speaker 1: gonna be. But there's some guys are battling for spots
Speaker 1: that are trying to get noticed here. So it's good
Speaker 1: if you can to come out and see, Okay, who
Speaker 1: who's making that that that rise up? You know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned Dorian Armstrong in my notes, guys that you know
Speaker 1: he's drafted, but you know they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: some things, and you know, those are the types of
Speaker 1: guys you want to come out and see and before
Speaker 1: they have a before we have a chance to get
Speaker 1: out of here. And it's seventy degrees. That works, it is,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of hot, man, There wasn't there was
Speaker 1: no marine layer yesterday, and that kind of gets guys
Speaker 1: going a little bit. When it's hot, it gets fiery.
Speaker 1: You got Christopher Shard out there yelled at people. But
Speaker 1: from your band's perspective, more often than not, there is
Speaker 1: a marine layer in that afternoon practice. And it's very pleasant, yeah,
Speaker 1: very pleasant to watch practice. And uh and in an
Speaker 1: added treat on that day, in particular on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: by the way, practice starts a Pacific time at four o'clock,
Speaker 1: six o'clock, uh, central time, would you say, though, that
Speaker 1: the defense won practice yesterday? Absolutely? Yes. I thought that
Speaker 1: it was about time by the way they started making plays.
Speaker 1: And then the funny thing is the first question, uh
Speaker 1: this morning, people start asking, oh, so's Dak struggling? And
Speaker 1: then it's like that's the problem when you when you
Speaker 1: say that either side one practice yesterday, well that means
Speaker 1: something must be wrong with the other side, you know.
Speaker 1: And and I think you know it helps that um
Speaker 1: you have um DeMarcus Lawrence on the field a little
Speaker 1: bit with the first teams and so you know, and
Speaker 1: I thought Chris Rahshard made a good comment and he goes,
Speaker 1: we we were almost done with our installation so it's
Speaker 1: not new stuff all the time. It's executing. It's executing
Speaker 1: now because you've been you've been doing this. Uh And
Speaker 1: and I think the other thing is that, um so
Speaker 1: the offense starts working on stuff too, right, because a
Speaker 1: lot of what they were doing yesterid there was a
Speaker 1: lot of blitzing going on with the linebackers. And I
Speaker 1: think the guys when I was on the fan noticed
Speaker 1: that the quarterbacks were running a little bit more and
Speaker 1: it looked like design runs. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: were broken play. Yeah, but a lot of times if
Speaker 1: you're blitzing like that up the middle, then the quarterback
Speaker 1: is gonna go, okay, I'm going outside. Got off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mickey makes a really good point. There are doing the
Speaker 1: installation stuff. Has been a lot about some of the
Speaker 1: blitzing some of the games, some of the twist I
Speaker 1: mentioned arms Strong about him a lot of guys getting
Speaker 1: involved playing on the left side. Now, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: something else they didn't. I think you guys probably noticed this.
Speaker 1: Played a lot of zone coverage yesterday, and so what
Speaker 1: the ball kept getting checked down, check down, check down,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's and you know, the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are taught too. If they don't read, if they're playing,
Speaker 1: if they're dropping aid or drop it set whatever they're dropping, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the throw. That's the throw. And it
Speaker 1: kind of probably became a little frustrating watching practice because
Speaker 1: the ball is going to the back, the balls going
Speaker 1: with the tight end, the ball is going to everything's
Speaker 1: going underneath. But that I thought that I thought they played.
Speaker 1: It's really one of the first times I've seen him
Speaker 1: play extensive zone coverage where a Woozier was instead of
Speaker 1: being up on or Byron Jones being up on, they
Speaker 1: were board a side retreat mode, trying to funnel everything
Speaker 1: into the middle of the field, and it just forced
Speaker 1: Prescott not to throw the ball when he tried to
Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. They had good coverage
Speaker 1: along the sidelines, safety over the top, so they were
Speaker 1: doing what they needed to do on defense. If that's
Speaker 1: if they're planning yesterday was work on zone coverage to
Speaker 1: keep everything in front of him. Well executed yesterday. To
Speaker 1: that point, I thought, we saw what Layton vander esh
Speaker 1: can do covering. He was the way he can drop
Speaker 1: and move for a guy his size, He got a
Speaker 1: he got his hand on a ball I think stripped
Speaker 1: the ball intercept. That was a blake. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: on Blake. John ripped the ball out his left hand. Yeah. Then,
Speaker 1: by the way, is a tight end a receiver in
Speaker 1: a tight ends body. I mean, that's impressive to cover
Speaker 1: him down the sideline, forced a turnover. Basically, he's he's
Speaker 1: very instinctive back there, and I think we saw what
Speaker 1: they can what they're hoping from him in terms of
Speaker 1: coverage from that middle linebacker spot for sure. Well, the
Speaker 1: other thing that they I think I saw and correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but they were running some three
Speaker 1: man line Yeah, and vander esh was in there with
Speaker 1: the first group, right, So that's the first time I
Speaker 1: think we've seen that, Yeah, because normally he's been the
Speaker 1: second group. Wondering any any of you wondering what kind
Speaker 1: of opportunity the first round draft pick is going to
Speaker 1: have to get on the field this season. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be out there. Yeah, he may not walk out
Speaker 1: there with the starters at middle linebacker day one, but
Speaker 1: they're going to create a role for him that that
Speaker 1: he fits in. You know the other thing about Brian,
Speaker 1: you were talking about the checkdowns, yeah, so what has
Speaker 1: Eerie been at? Well, can they throw the ball to
Speaker 1: zeke Moore? Yeah, then they start throwing the ball at
Speaker 1: zeke Moore. It's like, well why can't Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: no way. I look at this as Dak Prescott doing
Speaker 1: what he needed to do to get the ball in
Speaker 1: his hand at least give his chance to get another play.
Speaker 1: I applaud christ Raschard and Ride Marinelli for saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna work on our own coverage today and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, I use
Speaker 1: this term, and like I would see Claude, we're gonna
Speaker 1: claud and cover is what we're gonna do. And they
Speaker 1: did a nice job of that. I mean Prescott, you
Speaker 1: could see him on his progressions looking He's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't throw that one. I can't throw that one.
Speaker 1: But then when he tried to throw that one, they
Speaker 1: were a good shape defensively. They were a good shape
Speaker 1: to make plays and knock passes down. And I'd like
Speaker 1: to see the defense be able to do that. I
Speaker 1: really really do. But the other thing, sorry, Bill, the
Speaker 1: other thing I thought you saw was these bigger corners
Speaker 1: the impact they can have, particularly on smaller receivers. Saw
Speaker 1: Cheeto make two pass breakups in a single series against
Speaker 1: Beasley anti Tavon Austin. And that's a situation where you know,
Speaker 1: you want to put these smaller guys on the outside,
Speaker 1: and they're smaller and they're quicker, but as Sanjelao told
Speaker 1: us after practice, make there are situations where if they can,
Speaker 1: if you allow them to jam you, then then you
Speaker 1: can be intros. And that's that's what happened and Cheeto
Speaker 1: and we're seeing Byron Jones to use his frame and
Speaker 1: his link to disrupt guys at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: It's exactly good point. They try to throw a ball
Speaker 1: to Thompson down the left sideline there and Thompson's been
Speaker 1: separating from people pretty well and Byron Jones says, no,
Speaker 1: you're not not. This time, you're not. It was right hand,
Speaker 1: left hand, right hand, and the next you know, Dak's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it anyway to see if Thompson didn't
Speaker 1: get his hands up. I mean, he was beaten up
Speaker 1: on the line so badly by Byron Jones. It affected
Speaker 1: the way the play ended up. But the execution of
Speaker 1: the play. So again, tip of the hat to the
Speaker 1: secondary yesterday. They've had I think they've had a little
Speaker 1: bit of some some times where they haven't looked as good.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about these receivers quite a bit
Speaker 1: that they've been pretty consistent. Yeah, Chris Rashard, he grabbed
Speaker 1: him all by the neck yesterday and drug him with him.
Speaker 1: I was at the far end of the field on
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's pick. What happened on that offside? Okay, what
Speaker 1: a great read though, if you're talking about vision in
Speaker 1: relation to where the receiver and where the past. Prescott
Speaker 1: took the shot to try and get it out there
Speaker 1: on an off side situation. He got him with a
Speaker 1: hard count. Flagg goes out, he's gonna throw it anyway.
Speaker 1: But great break on the ball underneath by Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: you know, and some of the covers were talking about
Speaker 1: actually happened in the seven on seven drill too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Still there's no rush, right, So it was it was coverage.
Speaker 1: It was coverage, and you know there was one play
Speaker 1: where they tried to run uh tops and deep. What
Speaker 1: built I mean, what Brian said about his speed and
Speaker 1: a Woozier was with him, and Woods was with him,
Speaker 1: and and Dak had no place to throw the ball. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he ended up overthrowing him. But it was because
Speaker 1: they had him covered. So you know, it was a
Speaker 1: good day for them. And as I said, it was
Speaker 1: about time. Yeah, you know, and from a fan perspective
Speaker 1: and also from a TV guy's perspective who is just
Speaker 1: looking for a couple of highlights to put on the
Speaker 1: ten o'clock news that night, it came across as a
Speaker 1: bland practice because there were no big place from the
Speaker 1: offense highlight all that defense. So but we did highlight
Speaker 1: the defense. What we showed was Cheeto with two pass
Speaker 1: breakups and the two plays plays. Talking about there and
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to see a Wougier this season,
Speaker 1: and and just seeing his second year, and we saw
Speaker 1: it at the end of last year. We saw a
Speaker 1: glimpse there. But playing that left cornerback position, it's such
Speaker 1: a key you saying it, Yeah, And uh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really fun to watch his progress. This just needs
Speaker 1: to live up to number twenty four over there, that's right,
Speaker 1: And he's wearing number twenty four. And I've talked to
Speaker 1: him about his knowledge of Everson Walls and uh, he's
Speaker 1: he's learning about Everson. He's learning. We gotta we gotta
Speaker 1: get him together. We win you to get back to Dallas, Everson.
Speaker 1: We gotta have a meeting of the twenty fours. That
Speaker 1: that won't be difficult. Yeah, that's right. Everson would jump
Speaker 1: in there, and I don't remind him there was all
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Speaker 1: Back to talking Cowboys. We're talking cowboys on a Wednesday
Speaker 1: morning here in Oxnard, California is the Cowboys will be
Speaker 1: out on the practice field for a walkthrough in about
Speaker 1: an hour from now. Practice this afternoon four o'clock Pacific time.
Speaker 1: Practice number six overall number four in pads. Today. They
Speaker 1: practice again tomorrow. They players are off on Friday as
Speaker 1: far as practice is concerned, and then a practice Saturday,
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the afternoon. Sunday four o'clock in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: That's the Blue White scrimmage Monday afternoon at four and
Speaker 1: eleven am. Practice on Tuesday, and then head up the
Speaker 1: road to San Francisco or Santa Clara or Santa Santa
Speaker 1: Clara is where that stadium is in the week from
Speaker 1: tomorrow first preseason game, actually the Hall of Fame games
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. That's right, that's right, the Thursday night. Oh,
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Speaker 1: and everybody could hear me? Oh golly before bears in
Speaker 1: the Ravens tomorrow night. Yes, Sarah's yeah, yeah. And Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame induction ceremonies this weekend. And speaking of that,
Speaker 1: we were speaking a Cheeto a moment ago. One of
Speaker 1: the guys he looked up to growing up was Brian Dawkins.
Speaker 1: He's going into the Hall of Fame this weekend, Brian Dawkins.
Speaker 1: And I hate talking about a Philadelphia Eagle here on
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys, but Cheeto says he really studied Brian Dawkins,
Speaker 1: and there's a parallel between Cheeto and Brian Dawkins. Dawkins
Speaker 1: is the only player in NFL history to have twenty
Speaker 1: five or more interceptions, force fumbles, and sacks in his career, right,
Speaker 1: and if you look at Cheeto's resume at the University
Speaker 1: of Colorado and heption sacks, force bumbles, they were they
Speaker 1: were up there. I was with Brian Dawkins in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight and actually ninety seventh season, and
Speaker 1: and if is one of my favorite players I've ever
Speaker 1: been with, well is Darren Woodson. And what Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: means the Dallas Cowboys, Brian Dawkins means to the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: And he was a he was a professional. He was
Speaker 1: he was accountable, he was a great teammate. People looked
Speaker 1: up to him. I really enjoyed being a part of
Speaker 1: a staff where he was on it. We didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of great players, you know, we had, but
Speaker 1: Brian Dawkins was one of those guys. I have always
Speaker 1: admired his his toughness, and you know that there's certain
Speaker 1: players in this league that did things the right way,
Speaker 1: played the right way. Brian Dawkins very deservingly to be
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. But you know, but I'm
Speaker 1: sad to this point. Then it's not Darren Woodson, that's
Speaker 1: just maybe Dawkins getting in. I hope, hope, okay, because
Speaker 1: they both they both had very in my opinion, if
Speaker 1: you look at the type of careers, here's one guy
Speaker 1: who was a Super Bowl, super Bowl winning safety. You know,
Speaker 1: he meant so much to Dallas cow was in Brian
Speaker 1: Dawkins to what he did from Philly. I was just
Speaker 1: hopeful that Darren Woodson would be able to get in
Speaker 1: before Brian Dawkins. But I you know what I have
Speaker 1: no I have no ill will towards Dawkins getting in
Speaker 1: because I think he was outstanding in his own right
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. It's one of those things. Safety's a position,
Speaker 1: and you know, Mick, there aren't a lot of Hall
Speaker 1: of famers from that position that get in, And I think,
Speaker 1: what's what'son certainly deserving. At some point you're gonna have
Speaker 1: Ed Reid coming up eligible and Troy Paulamalu and those guys.
Speaker 1: But man, yeah, you look at what Darren meant and
Speaker 1: what he still means when you think about Look, they're
Speaker 1: still looking for a big time center field free safety
Speaker 1: to help this team. Has there been a guy since
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson in two thousand and three that's done it
Speaker 1: for him? And that shows you his value right there.
Speaker 1: If if Brian Dawkins is in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: then wood He's in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, John
Speaker 1: Lynch has been a finalist I think as well recently.
Speaker 1: Please I agree. I mean I stayed in facts. No,
Speaker 1: I know, if you if you had me, if you
Speaker 1: asked me to rank them though, of the three of
Speaker 1: the guys we just mentioned Woodson, Dawkins, Lynch, but then
Speaker 1: you look at the guys, like you said, Ed Reid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Ed Reid changed the game the way he played,
Speaker 1: you know, with the free the free safety, the way
Speaker 1: you know, he was able to roam around and play
Speaker 1: and coverage and stuff like that. Well, the thing of
Speaker 1: it with Dawkins is he had those stats and yeah
Speaker 1: you know, and yeah, uh like tackles, well, no, like
Speaker 1: what I mentioned about the sacks, interceptions, seven interceptions, thirty
Speaker 1: six sports bumbles twenty six got those rings though, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and fifty seven interceptions anything exactly exactly a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of a lot of mistakes in the
Speaker 1: National in the Hall of Fame, I think I think,
Speaker 1: just real quick, I will say this, I think that
Speaker 1: there's guy's like Rick Goslin who was on the committee,
Speaker 1: the veteran Committian stuff. There's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: those guys are having to try and correct. You can't
Speaker 1: take a Hall of Fame away from a guy. But
Speaker 1: I think the guys like Goslin and them are trying
Speaker 1: to do a better job of guys that you're mentioned,
Speaker 1: the Everson Walls of the world, that that people are overlooking.
Speaker 1: That he's not letting that dream die. He didn't let
Speaker 1: the dream die for Jerry Kramer, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: Jerry Kramer. I mean it was goodness gracious, you know, forever.
Speaker 1: So so I'm saying Rayfield right, it's another one. He
Speaker 1: didn't let the dream die for Rayfield, right, Or Bob Hayes.
Speaker 1: Here's a guy from him Detroit, Michigan. You know, Rick Goslin,
Speaker 1: and he's fighting for Dallas Cowboy players. But it's very,
Speaker 1: very difficult. It's because you mentioned there's such a great
Speaker 1: class coming up. But he's trying to get these guys,
Speaker 1: these senior members that have been talked about for years
Speaker 1: and years and years. He's trying to bring them to
Speaker 1: the forefront and the biggest problem is to keep going.
Speaker 1: Here's mc bryan rant the biggest problem with the voters
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, in my opinion, is they
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of these guys play. We've all
Speaker 1: seen these guys play. We've all seen now, Rob, I
Speaker 1: know you're a younger guy, but we've all in our career,
Speaker 1: in our lives seen some of these veteran guys play,
Speaker 1: and we know what type of player there, and you're like,
Speaker 1: how can he not be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: We read Jerry Kramer's book, Yeah, yeah, that's saying yeah, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying, though, those these guys are
Speaker 1: the pillars of the National Football League and so and
Speaker 1: ever since last year was last year, right, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't know? Yeah, And that Walls being that old,
Speaker 1: well he's my age, but that's that's that's but that's
Speaker 1: does have a gray hair. That's the thing about it is, though,
Speaker 1: you do have people in Canton that are willing to
Speaker 1: fight for these guys and not let that dream Mcteingelhoff.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's guys that played back in the sixties
Speaker 1: and the seventies that my favorite football and they center
Speaker 1: from the Minnesota Vikings, and so what happens is you
Speaker 1: you know, you don't. You don't lose that dream. You
Speaker 1: don't lose that because again, we the voters and this thing. Oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I didn't see mc tingelhall play. I
Speaker 1: didn't see. You know, we don't have enough of that
Speaker 1: of guys standing up and or ladies for the other
Speaker 1: thing of the game of football has changed over the
Speaker 1: years too, and those stats are different now than what
Speaker 1: they were, and too many people that vote are antal
Speaker 1: all they look at his stats. There you go. I
Speaker 1: was wondering where you're going with that. All right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, Ray, and for Worth, you're first up.
Speaker 1: You're the late off hitter on Talking Cowboys. Hello Ray,
Speaker 1: Hello everyone. Uh. I don't just want to follow up
Speaker 1: on Darren Witson. I think he deserves it, but I
Speaker 1: want to know one is gonna get in a ring
Speaker 1: of honor because I a writer. They d he's in,
Speaker 1: He's in during Woodson's in. Okay, I'm sorry because I'm
Speaker 1: looking on this list on the website now I don't
Speaker 1: see still in Dallas Coways dot comment. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: you were talking about Everson Walls because he is not
Speaker 1: in there, and he deserved it too, but everybody just
Speaker 1: seeing the catch, I guess, and but okay, my question,
Speaker 1: I have a question. I've just been a while this
Speaker 1: The theme of this season has been like Dak friendly.
Speaker 1: So now with all the changes, with days going on,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go into that. Um, I
Speaker 1: think this is a critical term for him because you're
Speaker 1: time's coming when you're gonna have to make a decision
Speaker 1: on the contract and whether or not he's worth franchise money.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about Aaron Rodgers franchise money because
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. I'm thinking more along the lines of at
Speaker 1: least Garoppolo. So I think I think this is a
Speaker 1: critical time. And I know, Mickey you mentioned this team
Speaker 1: has been thirteen and three in such and such, But
Speaker 1: at what time does under Garrett or whoever, does the
Speaker 1: playoffs matter? Because we haven't had much success in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't think Garrett's going anywhere because Jerry alluded to it.
Speaker 1: I think in the opening press conference he's the guy
Speaker 1: that get Jerry to fish Jerry, But at what point
Speaker 1: do we have to take that next step to be
Speaker 1: successful in the playoffs, because it can't always just be
Speaker 1: about the regular season. I am excited though with all
Speaker 1: these changes. The thing I'm most excited to see up
Speaker 1: from a defensive standpoint, is seeing Van Deresh and Lee
Speaker 1: on the field at the same time. Thanks, all right, right,
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Um, where do you want to go?
Speaker 1: I mean he said it. You know, this is this
Speaker 1: is Dak's big opportunity. He's eligible for an extension after
Speaker 1: this season, and Stephen Jones has said it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if they have if he has a great season,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are probably gonna have a great season, and
Speaker 1: they have no problem paying him a core le based
Speaker 1: on a certain level of performance. And they've they've already
Speaker 1: budgeted that, They've looked down the road. It's certain, you know,
Speaker 1: cap structure and what they'd have to do to accommodate
Speaker 1: something like that. But you know, yeah, it's a big
Speaker 1: year for him. It's a huge opportunity for him and
Speaker 1: the whole teams. Yeah, you're right, it's a big year
Speaker 1: for everybody involved, especially you know, the quarterback, the head coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a situation where you don't
Speaker 1: have success, you know, they've this front office has shown
Speaker 1: they're willing to make changes. You know, Jason Witten did retire,
Speaker 1: but you know, they got rid of Dez Bryant, They've
Speaker 1: moved on, They've they you know in that and you're thinking, man,
Speaker 1: they might not ever do that. So I do think
Speaker 1: that this front office is willing to make changes if
Speaker 1: things are not successful. You know, My hope is I
Speaker 1: don't want to cover a football team that's not good.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the selfish side of me right now.
Speaker 1: And I don't like to see people lose their job.
Speaker 1: But if if it comes down to performance, then you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But there's a lot of pressure and it
Speaker 1: was one of our twenty questions on dallascotways dot Com.
Speaker 1: More pressure on Garrett or on Prescott, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think both everybody kind of win a different direction
Speaker 1: there because Dak's trying to get a deal, Jason Garrett's
Speaker 1: trying to keep his job. I think that's those are
Speaker 1: things that are very motivating for two guys right there.
Speaker 1: And then you're looking at such a young roster, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which makes this season so intriguing how this young roster
Speaker 1: develops and very quickly because they want to win now
Speaker 1: they have to with a young roster. They have to. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: they have to and uh so uh and then as
Speaker 1: far as Vanderesh and Sean Lee playing side by side,
Speaker 1: we're going to see that. Yeah, we are going to
Speaker 1: see that. Butt're all going to see Jalen Smith playing too.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that. I don't think you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know, find a way to get
Speaker 1: those guys on the field, whatever it takes to get
Speaker 1: you know, Jalen Smith is worked in a way in
Speaker 1: a manner that I feel like he deserves that. It
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't. He doesn't deserve just because they drafted
Speaker 1: Layton vandersh nineteenth overall to lose his job. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Layton Vanish is good enough to do it, then
Speaker 1: we've seen some really good things from Jalen Smith out here.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen some things coverage wise. They've been
Speaker 1: I didn't think he could do. But oh you can still.
Speaker 1: Oh there, Um, just he just goes. I know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you could hear me, if I can't
Speaker 1: hear myself, if I can't, Okay, all right. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, he was star b yesterday. Sure I
Speaker 1: had to decide between a Woozier and Jalen Smith. Because
Speaker 1: I thought he had a really good day, a really
Speaker 1: good day in coverage. Uh, he was, he was mobile, activing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he had an excellent day. That was the
Speaker 1: best one I saw from him too. By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun if and we've seen it out here. Uh,
Speaker 1: if Jalen Smith is playing like the college Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun to watch. If he plays like
Speaker 1: college Jalen Smith, they really stole the guy, you know.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that you were ways away
Speaker 1: from that right now. But but it's working, as they
Speaker 1: would say, it's trending in the right direction for him. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just let's take the take the physical aspect out
Speaker 1: of how he's moving out of it. Right From a
Speaker 1: mental standpoint, basically entering his second year as a middle
Speaker 1: linebacker in this league, what should we expect. I think
Speaker 1: he will see things better. I think there were times
Speaker 1: last year he didn't see and he was in the
Speaker 1: wrong gap like he was. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: guessing he's over here and the ball's over here. And
Speaker 1: I think when you see things better than you can
Speaker 1: react a lot quicker and be where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things that we
Speaker 1: have to keep an eye on here because if you
Speaker 1: look at it, I mean we pointed it out, they're
Speaker 1: they're rushing their linebackers a lot more, even against the run.
Speaker 1: It seems like I don't know if this was a
Speaker 1: Chris Roshard influence or what, but that's the most I've
Speaker 1: seen linebackers just going forward all the time. The other
Speaker 1: part of that, Mick is is they readily admit they
Speaker 1: played him more than they wanted to thrown in Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably out of necessity and as much football as he
Speaker 1: had missed, yeah with the injury. UM. I don't know
Speaker 1: if exposes the right word, but there's more chant times
Speaker 1: where he's he might not see things as well as
Speaker 1: a basically a rookie linebacker on the field, and I
Speaker 1: think with more experience he's I think you see it here.
Speaker 1: I think you see him diagnosed plays out here and
Speaker 1: you're not tackling, but you can see that he's making
Speaker 1: the right decision. Where he's gonna have to improve is
Speaker 1: the coverage aspect, and maybe they're gonna take that away
Speaker 1: from him and make him a blitzer, and I mean
Speaker 1: that in respect. I don't mean that as a punishment
Speaker 1: that he can't cover anybody where Mickey's right though, when
Speaker 1: he's reading the stuff, hitting the right gap, scraping the
Speaker 1: right gap, you know, being where he needs to be
Speaker 1: to make the tackle. That's been really, really good. And
Speaker 1: but there's some things coverage aspect wise, where he still
Speaker 1: has a little bit of trouble where he, like Mickey,
Speaker 1: he gets distracted. You know, all of a sudden there's
Speaker 1: a crosser and he's like, I'm gonna jump that route.
Speaker 1: But then behind him, though, is Blake Jarwin on a
Speaker 1: post route where he needs or a corner route where
Speaker 1: he needs to sink a little better, and behind him.
Speaker 1: So that's experienced. That that's all experience about how to
Speaker 1: play in coverage. But you know, it's also being aggressive.
Speaker 1: It's also wanting to make a play and he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to. And I think the thing that I worry
Speaker 1: about him most is the coverage aspect, the downhill player,
Speaker 1: the tackler, the running to the football. I don't worry
Speaker 1: about any of that. And the things you like about
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh and the things you worry about him. You
Speaker 1: can almost flip it, right, Yeah, you can. You can,
Speaker 1: you can flip it. You'd say Layton vanderesh and coverage
Speaker 1: is a much better player than than than than what
Speaker 1: you had with Jalen Smith. But he doesn't get off
Speaker 1: blocks like Jalen Smith does. He doesn't play with his
Speaker 1: hands yet like Jalleenson. Now he could snife through and
Speaker 1: make plays when guys there, you know, don't block him stuff.
Speaker 1: But that's that. You're right, you could flip the two
Speaker 1: and uh and, but you put him together, you'd probably
Speaker 1: have a great player. That's why Rod Marinelli is saying,
Speaker 1: we got three linebackers for two bots and they're all
Speaker 1: gonna play. Are you might have three three spots? That's
Speaker 1: what I'm That's my next question. You don't want to
Speaker 1: put too much on the plate of a young player
Speaker 1: like a Layton vander Esch and his rookie season, even
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith going into his third year but second year
Speaker 1: playing Damien Wilson is going into his contract year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's fast forward for a moment a year from now.
Speaker 1: Could we see a linebacking corps where they are able
Speaker 1: to figure out a way or it's obvious the way
Speaker 1: is there where you could have all three Lee, vander
Speaker 1: esh and Jalen Smith on the field at the same time.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great possible. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great possibility because to me, you know, when you talk
Speaker 1: about the master plan, Yeah, when you when you talk
Speaker 1: about Damien Wilson, there's still mistakes out there for a
Speaker 1: veteran player. I mean, he run hit factors good, but
Speaker 1: there's still times out there where you say, oh, he
Speaker 1: can't do that. You know, you can't run under that
Speaker 1: block like that. You gotta stay why you know, there's
Speaker 1: stays you watch him and you say, Okay, that's a mistake.
Speaker 1: That's a mistake of veteran guys shouldn't make What I
Speaker 1: what I what I propose is gonna happen is they're
Speaker 1: gonna be willing to live with mistakes from Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: as opposed to mistakes from Damien Wilson. And that's why
Speaker 1: you're gonna see I think Jalen Smith probably take that job.
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna say, okay, you know we were
Speaker 1: so here from now you could see that, Yeah, is Lee,
Speaker 1: assuming he's healthy and right, you know, at the will
Speaker 1: right Vander Esh in the middle and Jalen Smith is
Speaker 1: the SAM. Yeah, well they can and they can play
Speaker 1: him in the SAM at the SAM a little differently
Speaker 1: than absolutely doesn't have to line up on the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, play off the ball, can play off the ball.
Speaker 1: But he's got going and he's also you could in
Speaker 1: the nickel. You could keep him on the field and
Speaker 1: he can rush the passer. Either play when you play
Speaker 1: the Giants and you're in nickel the entire game, who's
Speaker 1: on the field for you at linebacker? We'll see that's now.
Speaker 1: It's now you have to figure out, though, do you
Speaker 1: want to play with Mickey's three man line and have
Speaker 1: him be the you know, or do you want to
Speaker 1: do that or do you want to just or you
Speaker 1: want to keep him on the field and rush for
Speaker 1: him be the fifth rusher? You know that, I mean
Speaker 1: there's I mean that means you'd have to take somebody
Speaker 1: off because you got the nickel player. But man, it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a difficult thing to have
Speaker 1: to do it. If he becomes such a good rusher,
Speaker 1: you immediately have to figure out something that. Okay, who's
Speaker 1: our better cover guy? Vander Esh or Lee and then
Speaker 1: now who's our better rusher? But but would you say
Speaker 1: the reason that they would not implement that now this
Speaker 1: at lates at the start of this season, is because
Speaker 1: you don't want to overload mentally, a vander Esh and
Speaker 1: a Jalen Smith where they're eleven basically one of them,
Speaker 1: or are Jalen Smith in this case learning two positions
Speaker 1: and you in the vix I would I would go,
Speaker 1: I would be okay. I think Jalen Smith understands what
Speaker 1: it takes to play mic linebacker. I think the sooner
Speaker 1: you put him along the line, I think is the better. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm okay to think with watching Vanderish practice,
Speaker 1: his tongue was dragging a little yesterday, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean he was running all I mean, that's he's a
Speaker 1: he's a you know, he's a guy that likes to
Speaker 1: get to the football. He likes to run to the ball.
Speaker 1: He's an athletic guy for a big guy. But he
Speaker 1: was it was kind of like he's playing a lot
Speaker 1: of snaps out there, and I was thinking, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: looking a little you know, but that's good. That's okay.
Speaker 1: In practice, let these guys go out there and struggle
Speaker 1: a little bit. But it didn't like he was struggling mentally.
Speaker 1: You know, usually when you get tired, you struggle mentally.
Speaker 1: He just might have been a tick. So they threw
Speaker 1: a ball over the top of him. Uh and in
Speaker 1: the drill that that Wells caught. David Wells caught and
Speaker 1: if if he wasn't tired or kind of you know,
Speaker 1: war down a little bit. I think he makes that play.
Speaker 1: He jumps up the near the ball just goes right
Speaker 1: over the top of his hands. But you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's got to learn. He's got to learn how to
Speaker 1: play in coverage. He's gotta learn how to play the run.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no problem with throwing him out there,
Speaker 1: because I think that both Smith and and uh and
Speaker 1: and and h Vanderish can learn on the go. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't see I don't see mental lapses with
Speaker 1: those guys as players. Now. It might be it might
Speaker 1: be some awareness sometimes with Jalen, because I can say,
Speaker 1: you know, you're jumping a route guy behind you, you
Speaker 1: should have been behind you. But I don't I have
Speaker 1: no problem with throwing those guys out there and letting
Speaker 1: them go we're gonna come up with the new formation
Speaker 1: three three five that exists three down, three linebackers and
Speaker 1: five dvs. Yeah, call it TCU. Run that it is
Speaker 1: a formation that exists. Yeah, I mean it's nicky. Didn't
Speaker 1: just create that, but that they created that is very
Speaker 1: That is TCU. Yeah, we're gonna call at the quarter,
Speaker 1: okay and shout out to Gary Patters so that all right,
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Speaker 1: four hundreds. So how good is DeMarcus Lawrence? Wow? What
Speaker 1: do you think? I think he's very good. And I
Speaker 1: think we've already we've seen glimpses already this camp. Right,
Speaker 1: he looks like he's in a regular season. It's difference
Speaker 1: between him being on the field and Tuckle Charlton being
Speaker 1: on the field at the defensive end. Yeah, Tacos fighting
Speaker 1: to his shoulder and to his credit, he's out there
Speaker 1: practice and it's not good for him. Right now, I'll
Speaker 1: say this, how good he was? I I there was
Speaker 1: a there was a pass rush. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Bill you were down at one on one pass rusttro right,
Speaker 1: did you see the rush he had against Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: where Collins blocked a little bit on it? Okay, Collins,
Speaker 1: Collins sets on him. He's coming up the field on
Speaker 1: Lawrences coming to the field, Collins sets on him and
Speaker 1: it really hammers him and it kind of knocks him
Speaker 1: off balance to where he's now kind of reeling and
Speaker 1: and Collins sees it. And Collins is like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: blood in the water, he's going for the kill. So
Speaker 1: he starts after him. Well, Lawrence, that sees what's happening.
Speaker 1: He ducks, He completely ducks, and Collins goes over the
Speaker 1: top of him. And then on the other side here's
Speaker 1: Lawrence comes up and then heads for the quarterback to
Speaker 1: get the sack. That's a matrix stuff, right, I mean
Speaker 1: He's completely off balance and Collins is like, oh, I
Speaker 1: got you. Now I'm gonna get you, and he makes
Speaker 1: this incredible ducking move to get under his hands and
Speaker 1: free himself. He's to get to the ball. It's just
Speaker 1: a tremendous outer. DeMarcus had injury issues early in his career,
Speaker 1: sure did, but you know, and Rob Barnelly, I think
Speaker 1: was talking about Taco Charlton needs to harden his body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how much of it has just been for DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: obviously aside from being injury free, but just his body
Speaker 1: becoming an NFL body. And I mean how far has
Speaker 1: he progressed since his rookie season. I think. I think
Speaker 1: what people don't see from him if you're not around him,
Speaker 1: is how strong he is. Yes, I mean this, This
Speaker 1: is not your two hundred and fifty pound line slash
Speaker 1: linebacker defensive end who's all about the pass rush. This
Speaker 1: guy will plays. This guy will play the run, and
Speaker 1: he'll play hard and and and that's I think what's
Speaker 1: impressive because a lot of his sacks aren't like swift moves.
Speaker 1: It's effort because he's fighting inside. He didn't mind coming inside.
Speaker 1: They better be ready for that because he will fight
Speaker 1: you inside. What we saw last year was that relentlessness
Speaker 1: that he had on the field, and you can tell
Speaker 1: just the way he strengthened his body and so forth
Speaker 1: he had. I'm sure he has that same kind of
Speaker 1: relentlessness in the weight room and conditioning and so forth.
Speaker 1: And that's what's made the huge difference in his career.
Speaker 1: And that's something at draft time you don't really know
Speaker 1: about a player, just how hard they're going to work
Speaker 1: at it. He's also added to his arsenal. He's got
Speaker 1: into it. He's got an array of different moves, and
Speaker 1: it goes back to what DeMarcus where he's says, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a lot of different tools in your toolbox.
Speaker 1: And you watch him out here and he's he'll change
Speaker 1: it up on guys, and you watch these one on
Speaker 1: one drills and he's he's at a different level than
Speaker 1: these other day. He's really good at knowing his you know,
Speaker 1: they always say the first axiom of warfares know the enemy.
Speaker 1: He knows the enemy, he knows how to attack somebody.
Speaker 1: If if you're a guy that pays a lot about it,
Speaker 1: if you if you're a guy that plays soft, he
Speaker 1: will run you right to the quarterback. I mean last year,
Speaker 1: I mean we did a tail of the tape with
Speaker 1: him broke down that Bill Deer. I think it's how
Speaker 1: you say that the tackle. Yeah, and he's a soft
Speaker 1: setter and one of his sacks was he just said, no,
Speaker 1: you're not good enough. He just took Bill Deer all
Speaker 1: the way to Carson Palmer and like you know, dumped
Speaker 1: him on the ground and then you know, captured Carson Palmer.
Speaker 1: So he has an idea of how to play you.
Speaker 1: He knows that. Okay, if I'm gonna if you're a heavy,
Speaker 1: handy guy, I gotta get rid of your hands. I
Speaker 1: gotta get to your shoulder. If you're a guy that
Speaker 1: is a little bit slow on your feet and heavy feet,
Speaker 1: I gotta get to your corner. I gotta dip you
Speaker 1: into to the quarterback. But he's got a great field
Speaker 1: how to end up at the quarterback end position. He's
Speaker 1: not these guys that you see just keeps running up
Speaker 1: the field, ring up Philly, just keep washing him, washing
Speaker 1: and washing him. He's got a plan for how to
Speaker 1: be where here to capture the quarterback. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to say, Carson Nevada, Carson Palmer, all right,
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Speaker 1: good job him yeah, Bill, welcome back to the show. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you. I got a question because of my own schedule,
Speaker 1: and Judy, I got a hot times as swimming show
Speaker 1: life or even on the replay because of the summer vacations.
Speaker 1: My question is who will each one of you or
Speaker 1: what position will you look at? Will will you give
Speaker 1: a hard look at during the White Blue Scrimmage and
Speaker 1: the first preseason game. Thank you for dickin Michael, have
Speaker 1: a great day byeye all right, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: And again a reminder on the Blue White scrimmage, it
Speaker 1: is at four o'clock specific time on Sunday, free admission
Speaker 1: to watch. If you're in southern California, get on out
Speaker 1: here and watch the Cowboys scrimmage on Sunday. And again
Speaker 1: that Youth Combine for it kids age six to sixteen
Speaker 1: skills and drills with coaching from former NFL players. What
Speaker 1: specifically are you going to be looking forward during the
Speaker 1: Blue White scrimmage on Sunday. I want to see if
Speaker 1: these backup quarterbacks can move their team. You know, I
Speaker 1: think that we're going to get kind of with that
Speaker 1: what we call the blue period where the veteran guys
Speaker 1: go to the side, take off their pads and kind
Speaker 1: of watch and see what's going on. But I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see where this backup quarterback thing is going to go.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to see, you know, are the guys,
Speaker 1: are the gamers pressure all that we kind of have
Speaker 1: an idea. We've talked about a lot about what Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush springs. You know, Mike White made a couple of gain,
Speaker 1: a couple of good throws, a couple of bad throws.
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to see this is if you remember,
Speaker 1: it was a two minute drill with Dak Prescott that
Speaker 1: kind of got him on the on the map with us.
Speaker 1: So maybe one of those guys will have a moment
Speaker 1: they kind of propels them into giving them that you know,
Speaker 1: that that go that that kind of that momentum that
Speaker 1: they need going into that San Francisco game. I think, well,
Speaker 1: first of all, we need to kind of throw out
Speaker 1: a disclaimer on a scrimmage because it's just a blue
Speaker 1: white practice until they get to the end, the end
Speaker 1: when the young guys go out there and they actually
Speaker 1: play football, tack them on, put them on the ground.
Speaker 1: So the rest of it is basically what we've been
Speaker 1: watching out here, you know what I actually from a
Speaker 1: TV perspective and watching it on Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and coming out here to practice, you can focus on
Speaker 1: different positions right right, right right better that way, and
Speaker 1: from a TV standpoint, it's better than a scrimmage because
Speaker 1: it gives us an opportunity to focus in on a
Speaker 1: drill that the you know, the linebackers are doing right now,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like we pull back the curtain and
Speaker 1: they get to see what we see almost every day.
Speaker 1: So we'll just continue what we talked about yesterday. The
Speaker 1: defensive tackle position. Yeah, I gotta see it. And I
Speaker 1: got to see the young guys too. If they have
Speaker 1: some guys that have a little depth, if they want
Speaker 1: to roll guys in, you can't roll in just to
Speaker 1: roll in. You got to be rolling in some quality.
Speaker 1: And uh, let's see what's what's what's behind and and
Speaker 1: and you know it it's hard to judge those guys
Speaker 1: because what we're looking at right now is is basically
Speaker 1: pass rush because they're not tackling, right, So, how well
Speaker 1: with those guys play if they had to put Zeke
Speaker 1: on the ground. Yeah? Yeah. I asked Jason Garrett about
Speaker 1: the tackle rotation yesterday and he kind of gave me
Speaker 1: a general answer about, Hey, it's options, but you tried.
Speaker 1: I tried, and and look, I mean he's not if
Speaker 1: he has concerns, he's not gonna voice him. And he
Speaker 1: kind of spoke in general terms of hey, there's guys
Speaker 1: we have. I asked him about joad Ward, Dayton, Jones.
Speaker 1: I'm going down your list, Brian, I mean, Daniel Ross.
Speaker 1: There's guys that have an opportunity to show up here
Speaker 1: in camp and the preseason game. Yeah, so go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I remember a blue white scrimmage Bill. I think
Speaker 1: we were in the in the Power of Top maybe
Speaker 1: two years ago, three years ago that that that David
Speaker 1: Irving was in that twenty minute practice period where he
Speaker 1: was making play after play after they couldn't block him,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there going, wow, that's that's something you know,
Speaker 1: you really haven't seen very much, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the guy. So there is opportunity. There is opportunity. Now,
Speaker 1: like Micky said, you got to take advantage of the
Speaker 1: opportunities that you get. Is there somebody that that that
Speaker 1: is you know, Cape, there is there a better we
Speaker 1: we Is is Ross a better player than we're giving
Speaker 1: him credit for? You know? Is uh Lewis Neil a
Speaker 1: better player than we're giving him credit for right now?
Speaker 1: But I just remember being up in that tower with you,
Speaker 1: and we kept talking about David Ror making play after
Speaker 1: play after play, and so hopefully they get something like that,
Speaker 1: whether it's defensive tackle, whether it's a cornerback, whether it's
Speaker 1: a one of these tight ends where I was going, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so what are you looking for? I'm with Mick on
Speaker 1: defensive tackle rotation. But let's see how these tight ends
Speaker 1: perform because they all do things different, they all do
Speaker 1: things well in a different way sort of. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Blake Jarlin's the guy who can get up the field
Speaker 1: and separate and be a pass catcher for you. Jeff
Speaker 1: Swain has kind of rounded out his game the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. I think he's an underrated pass catcher
Speaker 1: he's probably got the advantage to start right now. And
Speaker 1: we haven't seen Schultz the last couple of days because
Speaker 1: congratulations on absolutely first child, m Enrico. We've seen Rico
Speaker 1: makes him plays here and there in the passing game.
Speaker 1: But he's told me again he's got to work on
Speaker 1: his blocking. I mean, these guys are gonna get it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna throw him out there in the games and
Speaker 1: so you'll see that block and then get ready because
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the it's gonna be the bow Scarborough
Speaker 1: Show and the you know, the Williams Show and Jackson Show.
Speaker 1: I mean, those those guys are gonna get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to carry the football and then you know, and see
Speaker 1: if they you know that, I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: last twenty minutes will be a lot about trying to
Speaker 1: be physical, set of tone, See who can tackle, see
Speaker 1: who can block? And if these quarterbacks can make a
Speaker 1: throw or two. You know, I just don't always fascinated
Speaker 1: with young quarterbacks. That's kind of why my You know,
Speaker 1: if you get him an opportunity, are the lights gonna
Speaker 1: you know, you're all the points you guys made of
Speaker 1: positions and receivers. Yeah, absolutely, right, absolutely right on that,
Speaker 1: you know, And and and Rob with with the tight ends,
Speaker 1: I've noticed they they really haven't backed off from lining
Speaker 1: up too tight end formations. They still even though Witton's
Speaker 1: not here. But you know, if if Jarwin can be
Speaker 1: what they always hope Escobar could be, right, then the
Speaker 1: two tight end becomes more potent. All right. Here's something though,
Speaker 1: on a Blake Jarwin and we saw it yesterday, Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish yanks the ball out. Yes, can you recall anybody
Speaker 1: forcing a Jason Witten fumble? I can't, I cannot, I
Speaker 1: cannot that. But it's such a physical game. He'll learn
Speaker 1: and you but but no, I'm not saying so much.
Speaker 1: It just happened to get But that's what that's what
Speaker 1: we don't know about these young tight ends is when
Speaker 1: they get into a game and you got first teamers
Speaker 1: on the other side, you got Luke Keikley on the
Speaker 1: other side, okay, and he's ripping the ball, ripping the
Speaker 1: ball out. Um, that's you don't know until until they
Speaker 1: get out there. They may look great out here in
Speaker 1: shorts and and so forth, and and yeah, looks like
Speaker 1: getting ready. You're playing against men who was the time
Speaker 1: there was a rookie tight end with the Giance, just
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. I think against the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that I don't even remember who it was, Evan Ingram, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe the one they got It was probably a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember the Cowboys yanking the ball out and he said, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, throw it to that tight end.
Speaker 1: You know. But that's what you don't know until you're
Speaker 1: they're actually playing games, you know. And you know, we
Speaker 1: shouldn't lose sight of the wide receivers either, you know.
Speaker 1: They they've got to perform. We've seen them in a
Speaker 1: lot of different places. We've seen them in a lot
Speaker 1: of different drills, different drills, creative drills. Okay, fine, now
Speaker 1: can you take that to the field and produce you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds nice Beasley and Tavon Austin on the outside.
Speaker 1: You have two receivers that are bigger on the inside.
Speaker 1: But how's that going to work? Yeah? And so you know,
Speaker 1: when I mean, we watch it in practice, will get
Speaker 1: a glimpse of it. I think the preseason games will
Speaker 1: be more revealing than anything else, and maybe more so
Speaker 1: this year. I don't know if they play those guys
Speaker 1: more because they got to see, they got to decipher.
Speaker 1: But who are you playing him with? Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, I'm saying that's that's the question. How
Speaker 1: do you really get the full value? You could see?
Speaker 1: You could see. I have a feeling you're gonna see
Speaker 1: a lot of of Schultz, you know, playing and this stuff.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling you're gonna see him in Wells
Speaker 1: a lot in that you know so well the second
Speaker 1: half of games for sure. I mean, you know they
Speaker 1: kind of have an idea what they haven't swing. I
Speaker 1: say that because at least he's been here the longest.
Speaker 1: But you know, Darwin does need to play. Jarwin needs
Speaker 1: to get out there and play. And then if it
Speaker 1: means but you know, Schultz and and Rico Gathers, I've
Speaker 1: almost forgot Rico Gathers there, but those guys all need
Speaker 1: We need to see if Rico Gathers can take on
Speaker 1: a wide you know, in a game where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they have to get the ball around the
Speaker 1: corner and he's got to get the he's got to
Speaker 1: set the edge. We need to see if he can
Speaker 1: down block and makes things happen that way. You know,
Speaker 1: if he can, if he could be the guy the
Speaker 1: point of attack, because for so many years we he
Speaker 1: was really underappreciative in my opinion. But what James Hannah
Speaker 1: can do? You know Hannah when they were everyone talks
Speaker 1: about right, yeah, Hannah, James Hanna in twenty sixteen when
Speaker 1: they were running the ball, he and Witton. When you
Speaker 1: put you put Smith written and James Hannah on the
Speaker 1: same side, there were guys that were playing on their
Speaker 1: feet getting some movement right there, and that allowed Ezekiel
Speaker 1: a lot of the runs that he was able to give.
Speaker 1: So if some if one of these backup guys could
Speaker 1: be similar comparable to James Hannah as a blocker, boy,
Speaker 1: that would be a huge get for this team. Schultz
Speaker 1: stands out because of what he did. It's Stanford, Yes,
Speaker 1: absolutely he is. There's a guy in Will Disley that
Speaker 1: went to the Seahawks that is probably the best blocker.
Speaker 1: And then you get into the mode of the guys
Speaker 1: like Dalton Schultz. He's the guy that's played more in
Speaker 1: line tied end than any of these other guys in
Speaker 1: the draft. I just don't think they can afford to
Speaker 1: go out in the preseason game and say this is
Speaker 1: the first preseason game. Okay, the first teamers ten plays in,
Speaker 1: you're out. Yeah, Well, I think I don't think they
Speaker 1: have that luxury. Well, I think with tight ends. Play
Speaker 1: the tight ends. I mean, which which wide receivers are
Speaker 1: you going to say? Okay, you're good, get out Beasley? Beasley? No,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm playing him? Oh yeah, play to play. Ye
Speaker 1: got to play. I think you get played. Terrence is
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna be careful with him, probably just because
Speaker 1: of coming off the end. He's back first. As long
Speaker 1: as the first team offensive. Yeah, first, well, I thought
Speaker 1: you were talking about once the second teams are the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I think they're in. Mickey was going, Mickey's
Speaker 1: going all the six top six whole game. I mean,
Speaker 1: who are in the second? Who are the second? By
Speaker 1: the way, the receivers. Of course, the Cowboys lost Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson for the season sixth round pick, but they've been
Speaker 1: lying in Thompson up with the first when they first
Speaker 1: three guys, they have Thompson, Yeah, Thompson, Herns, Beasley. Yea.
Speaker 1: All's been out there with the first year and I
Speaker 1: think it's time to see a little bit more of
Speaker 1: t will Yep. I thought I gotta, I gotta. I
Speaker 1: got like seven words out of it. Okay, we can't
Speaker 1: shut Mickey up? Yeah, because I got off to a
Speaker 1: slow start. All right, Well you'll get more of Mickey tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't have Mickey's minute. Yeah. See that's a
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