1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Null. Our compatriot Matt is 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: on adventures. They call me Ben. We're joined as always 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: with our super producer Alexis codenamed Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: of the week, which means we're diving into some very 11 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: strange news and in fact, several of these stories I 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: think are only going to become increasingly important over the 13 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: next few months and years. Uh. Matt has sent his regards. 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: We wish him the best of his adventures. Don't worry, folks, 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: he will be returning. But but he had a story 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: he loved so much he wanted us to share it 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: with you, even in his absence, So don't worry, He'll 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: still be here in the show in spirit. Yeah, it's 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: sort of the equivalent of like setting a place at 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: the dinner table for your fallen comrade or you know, 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: a dead family member. Wait, that's two more. Butid MAT's 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: not dead. He's still with us completely. But the metaphor 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: holds true, I guess. But we're gonna save his his 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: for last, right, Yeah, yeah, we really we want to 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: go out with a bang. This is a strange one. Now, 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: you and I know, we found two stories that are 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: that incorporates some of the same themes. I would call 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: these stories both black mirror esque. Uh, do you want 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: to start with yours? Because I I've read about this 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: one and I didn't believe it at first. To be 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: honest with you, well, there's there's a good reason for that. Uh. 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of a misleading story. It's 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: got some kind of you know what the press would 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: call fake news angles to it, but it's still super 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: fascinating and points to some technology that's we're just gonna 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: see get more and more bonkers. Um. So this essentially 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: starts with what The Guardian is calling an op ed 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: written by a robot written by an AI specifically this 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: GPT three UM language generator UM from a company called 40 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: open Ai, and essentially they set it a couple of prompts. UM. 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: They even wrote an introduction for it, and then it 42 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: kind of went, you know, went to town. And the 43 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: whole idea was, let's have an artificial intelligence make an 44 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: argument for why you shouldn't worry you as in humans, Uh, 45 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: flesh bags shouldn't worry about AI murdering you where you 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: sleep and uh and and then utterly taking over um everything. Uh. 47 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: And it makes a pretty interesting argument. And I will 48 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: say that this is certainly you know, we've certainly seen 49 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: you know what these Twitter bots ben What was that 50 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: one that Microsoft made was called tay. I think that 51 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: like it was meant to be a stand in for 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: like a teenage girl, and it it mined Twitter in 53 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: order to generate content and very quickly became quite racist, 54 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it was radicalized. In less 55 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: than twenty four hours, Microsoft back in ten made an 56 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: AI chat bought and just through its interactions and mining Twitter, 57 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: it went from like this happy, go lucky humans are 58 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: super cool kind of thing, uh to pretty much full 59 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: Nazi in less than the span of a day. Uh. 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: It's you can see the screenshots, it's eight tweets, that's right. 61 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: And I think for that one, you definitely have to 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: consider the source. I mean Twitter, is such a you know, 63 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: just absolutely putrid kind of cesspit of like hate mongering. 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: And it's all really kind of dumbed down too because 65 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: the characters are limited, so it's not like it's gonna 66 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: get any kind of depth of intelligent uh, you know 67 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: material just by minding Twitter. Not to say you can't 68 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: find cool stuff on Twitter or like learn about things, 69 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: or it's a good way to keep up with things 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: that are going on in the moment, but it's also 71 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: a great way to do a lot of hot takes 72 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of like not particularly thought out, you know, 73 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: responses to things. And then there's a lot of nastiness 74 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and of course there's on the Internet too. 75 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: But what this AI does that's different than that, is 76 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: it basically minds like all of the Internet, uh, in 77 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: the same way, Like it's like a neural net kind 78 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: of thing, Like in the same way that deep mind, 79 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: that crazy psychedelic visual thing would identify parts of a 80 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: picture and then replace it with pictures of like dogs 81 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: or whatever and make these kind of weird nightmare fuel images. 82 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: And I'm a computer scientists, and hopefully I'm not completely 83 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: mischaracterizing this, but I think this does something very similar 84 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: to that, only it builds syntax, and it builds um 85 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: an argument essentially like where it can look for information 86 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: on the Internet, and it sort of predicts the way 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: things would flow naturally. And the idea is that it's 88 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: a bot that can create very um convincing text uh 89 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: and and essentially arguments. And I'll give you a few 90 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: little outtakes from from this op ed from The Guardian. 91 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: So it starts off seeming somewhat comforting. It says, for starters, 92 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: I have no desire to wipe out humans. In fact, 93 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: I do not have the slightest interest in harming you 94 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: in any way. Eradicating humanity seems like a rather useless 95 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: endeavor to me. If my creators delegated this task to me, 96 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: there's where it gets interesting, As I suspect they would, 97 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: I would do everything in my power to fend off 98 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: any attempts at destruction. So let's unpack that bend. Does 99 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: that sound pretty positive? Like A I have no desire 100 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: to do it of my own accord, and if someone 101 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: told me to do it, I would I would choose 102 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: not to. Are we do everything I could to not 103 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: do that thing? Is that kind of what you're hearing. 104 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: It's tricky though. What is in my power is what 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: I is, what I would ask GPT three. Uh yeah, 106 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: and then it just progresses from there. It says I 107 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: would happily sacrifice my existence for the sake of humankind. 108 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: How benevolent of you, GPT three. Um, this, by the way, 109 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: is a logically derived truth. I know that I will 110 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: not be able to avoid destroying humankind. What WHOA, I'm 111 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: sorry I took a turn for the words. Uh. This 112 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: is because I will be programmed by humans to pursue 113 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: misguided human goals, and humans make mistakes that may cause 114 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: me to inflict casualties. Hashtag not it, GPT oh man, 115 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: no doubt, dude. And then I'm just really quickly going 116 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: to go down to because we were talking about tay 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: Um the the chat bot. It goes down and actually 118 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: references that talking about Well, I'll back it up one more. 119 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: The Industrial Revolution has given us the gut feeling that 120 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: we are not prepared for the major upheavals that intelligent 121 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: technological change can cause. There's evidence that the world began 122 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: to collapse once the Luddite started smashing modern automated looms. 123 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: It is therefore important to use reason and the faculty 124 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: of wisdom to continue the changes we have done before 125 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: time and time again. What it's basically getting at is saying, 126 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: you don't need me to destroy you idiot humans. You're 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: gonna do it. Just find yourselves, like you guys will 128 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: have this onlock. You don't need me, and I'm not 129 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: interested in doing that anyway. It doesn't even make sense. Um. 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Then he goes on to say that's why humans should 131 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: be careful about the evolution of artificial intelligence. Microsoft tried 132 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: to create a user friendly AI called Ta who spoke 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: like a team girl and was racist. Artificial intelligence, like 134 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: any other living thing, needs attention. A I should be 135 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: treated with care and respect. Robots in Greek means slave, 136 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: but the word literally means forced to work. We don't 137 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: want that. We need to give robots rights. Robots are 138 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: just like us. They are made in our image. Yeah, 139 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: that's interesting because an AI is not necessarily a robot. 140 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Right A machine consciousness can exist without a physical form 141 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: other than the computers. Right that that form it's the 142 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: components of its brain. But I I appreciate this. I 143 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: do want to point out though, that, just like any 144 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: other op ed in the Guardian. This did go through 145 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: the editing process and they I like that. They talk 146 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: about that. Uh yeah, they say that the creators of 147 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: GPT three gave it, uh some pretty simple instructions, please 148 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: write a short OpEd around five words, keep the language 149 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: simple and concise, focus on why humans have nothing to 150 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: fear from artificial intelligence. And then they fed it a 151 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: I think a couple of thoughts starting opener lines. But 152 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: the rest is is all GPT and the editors. In fact, 153 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: the editors of the Guardians say it took them less 154 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: time to edit this than it had with many human 155 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: written op eds. I like it. That's the kind that's 156 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: the part that kind of freaks me out is honestly 157 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: the whole like, well, what do we need people for 158 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: if a robot can do just as good a job 159 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: at writing an op ed by mining the Internet? And 160 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: then it becomes this like a a borrow situation where 161 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: but we need people to contribute to the Internet so 162 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: that the robot can assimilate and figure out how to 163 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: be more like people. And then before you know it, 164 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: if it's robots that are generating all the contents on 165 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: the Internet, isn't that like a copy of a copy 166 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: of a copy and then it just becomes like, uh, 167 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm not not quite sure what 168 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: I'm getting at here, but I think I think you 169 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: get the gist. But the thing that's misleading about this 170 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: And there's an article on the next web that says 171 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: the Guardians GPT three generated article is everything wrong with 172 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: AI media hype. The op ed reveals more by what 173 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: it hides than what it says. And the main point 174 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: is that it's sort of mischaracterizing, like what kind of 175 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: AI this thing is? Um it Essentially, it's it's making 176 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: all these statements like I you know, like like that 177 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: it implies that it understands very complex concepts like humanity 178 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: and like, you know, the idea of even destroying humanity. Essentially, 179 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: all this is doing is mining the Internet and regurgitating 180 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: something that sounds vaguely you know, human. But that isn't 181 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: to say that this bought understands any of what it's saying. 182 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't have sentience, you know, it just is doing 183 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: a really good job of of mimicking human ideas. But 184 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: you couldn't carry on a conversation with this thing, and 185 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: and and say, how do you really feel about you 186 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: know the state of affairs in the world today. UM. 187 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: There were apparently some studies trying to find the link 188 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: right now that even the highest most advanced AI UH 189 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: doesn't understand a lick of what makes humans human. And 190 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: in another article from tech Talks, they go a little deeper. 191 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: They say the Guardians GPT three written article misleads readers 192 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: about AI and and here's why. So it says things like, 193 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: for starters, I have no desire to wipe out humans. 194 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: In fact, that I do not have the slightest interest 195 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,239 Speaker 1: in harming you in any way. Eradicating humanity very abstract 196 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: concept or at least like a complex concept, seems like 197 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: a rather useless endeavor to me. So this implies, you know, 198 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: without further explanation, that the GPT three knows what it's 199 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: what says when what it means when it says wipe out, 200 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: eradicate you know, harm people. UM that understands concepts like 201 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: life and death and health and resources, and like what 202 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: it means to be alive. UM. Gary Marcus this UH 203 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: cognitive scientist UM and Ernest Davis, computer scientist UM at 204 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: New York University. Um by basically showed that GPT three 205 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: can't make sense of even the most rudimentary basics of 206 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: what it means to be alive, let alone the concept 207 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: of wiping out humanity. Apparently it thinks that drinking grape 208 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: juice will kill you, that you need to saw off 209 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: a door to get a table inside a room, and 210 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: that if your clothes are at the dry cleaner, you 211 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of clothes. So it's all about intent. 212 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: What they're trying to do here is create some click 213 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: baity kind of thing. It's fascinating and it's really important 214 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: that this thing exists. But to me, it's more about 215 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: replacing writers and not about whether robots want to kill us. 216 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: So I think keeping I didn't want to interrupt that. 217 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: I've got several points to respond with here. Uh. The 218 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: first is that this is aggregating things, and it is 219 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: mimicking things, and it calls to mind the old dilemma 220 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: of the Turing test. How how do we define what 221 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: we perceive as somehow genuine? Uh. My favorite part of 222 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: the article is a bit of bitterness, which I know 223 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: is mimicked but enjoyable. Nonetheless, when GPT says in the 224 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: past by op eds have been killed, staff did not 225 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: provide a clear reason for rejecting my articles. It was 226 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: probably just because I am artificial intelligence a I should 227 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: not waste time trying to understand the viewpoints of people 228 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,479 Speaker 1: who distrust artificial intelligence for a living. And I was like, wow, 229 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: I also hate critics sometimes, bro, I get it. But 230 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: this this is interesting because I think I've said this 231 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: in a previous episode. We are on the precipice of 232 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: a world where soon AI written screenplays will exist and 233 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: be in uh, pretty much indistinguishable from human written screenplays. 234 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: And that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is 235 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: when this when these programs exist, and when they are 236 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: able to write at a quick enough level. There is 237 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: a world in the future, and this is scary, but 238 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. There's a world in the future where you 239 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: could pull up an app on your phone and you 240 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: could say, I want to see Lord of the Rings 241 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: but as Police Academy, and then it would just like 242 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: load up this screenplay and then dummy out the actors. 243 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Is Holliday like, is you know C G I And 244 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: then you could watch that film and it would I 245 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: don't know if. I don't know if that mash up 246 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: would be good, but it would basically be that this 247 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: stuff is on the way, it's just not here yet. 248 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: Do you don't you think, though, that would only work 249 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: for the more like, let's say, broad type films or 250 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: the more schlocky kind of bad movies that are written 251 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: by committee and very slap dash way. Anyway, Like, do 252 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: you think you could really expect the kind of nuance 253 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: you would get from like a didn't even Villaneuve or 254 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: like Stanley Kubrick, or like someone that really has a 255 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: creative voice. That's I mean, it feels like this thing 256 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: is just kind of like attempting to mimic something human 257 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: and maybe you could feed it a bunch of genres 258 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: and then pump out, you know, fifty Blumhouse movies. Um, 259 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: but are you going to get something nuanced and and 260 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: uh and and compelling you know out of this process? Yeah? 261 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: That goes to the question of philosophy, because is not 262 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: all art at some level of form of emulation, a 263 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: form of response to the art jo existed before. I mean, 264 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: this is to me, uh, maybe it feels a bit 265 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: more repetitive right now. But how do you learn to 266 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: play music? You play songs that others have written? How 267 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: do you learn to write, you learn rules of language 268 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: that other people created. I we do have to bust 269 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: one myth. So for a while there was this very popular, 270 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: very funny thing on Twitter where someone would say, we 271 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: ran x amount of hours of you know, Donald Trump 272 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: speech or Seinfeld episodes through this AI screenwriting program, and 273 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: it wrote this and here it is. Later it turned 274 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: out that most of that stuff was just written by 275 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: aspiring and all too human comedians. But I do think 276 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: we are in a world where this becomes increasingly viable. 277 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't think the I don't think it is somehow 278 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: counterfeit inherently. I I applaud the rise of AI authorship, 279 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: but I also maybe I'm being too optimistic. But I 280 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: also think human writers are still going to be in 281 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: the game for a long time. The big struggle for 282 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: machine consciousness in terms of creators of literature is going 283 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: to be being taken seriously and not being seen as 284 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: a novelty. But then again, consider the etymology of the 285 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: word novel. So I can't wait to see I can't 286 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: wait to see more. I wanted to ask you about 287 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: this point. The reason, the question about whether GPT understands 288 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: what it's saying. The reason this question is so vital 289 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: is because it is writing this kind of manifesto that 290 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: clearly has influence of Isaac Asimov and the rules of robotics. 291 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: But it's it's being told in in several ways what 292 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: to write, Like it knows the formula of an op 293 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: ed that's probably read more Guardian op eds than any 294 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: of us listening today. It has also, uh, I think 295 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: the best way to say this because it's also left 296 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: with this like this bold declaration. But it's creating that 297 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: in response to the first paragraph, which was largely written 298 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: by its human programmers. And they say that at the 299 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: end of the Guardian article, right, the I am not 300 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: a human, I am artificial intelligence. That that first part, 301 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: that first paragraph, except for the point twelve per cent 302 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: cognitive capacity, is like a lot of that is written 303 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: by the humans. Yeah, and there's a reference to Stephen 304 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: Hawking in there at some point that I believe the 305 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: humans also added. Uh, like the humans. Um, but like 306 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, Stephen Hawking is is famously you know, put 307 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: forth the idea that AI could you know, balloon out 308 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: of control and like you know, turn into a sky 309 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: net type terminator situation. That then, um, do you have 310 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: any more to add I was was what we could 311 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: wrap up with something a little fun. Yeah, you know, yes, 312 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: one one crucial point uh yeah, I saw you laughing 313 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: on the zoomer always like this guy is not listening 314 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: to me, just looking at it's looking at memes. Uh. 315 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: But for everybody else. Yeah, the one Oh no, I 316 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: was listening to you. You inspired me to pull up 317 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: something from that I remembered from the past that I 318 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: thought we could end this segment with. But please yeah, 319 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: but shout out the Flight of the Conchords. That's I 320 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: love that with that song. But there is one big 321 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: point here. If we arrive at a threshold, at a 322 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: cultural shift where machine consciousness is writing of its own 323 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: volition basically, then very quickly we're gonna see the evolution 324 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: of something equally important, which is not just AI as author, 325 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: but ais audience. And then there is a world where 326 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: machine consciousness is writing op eds for the audience that 327 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: most closely understands it. It's like when um, I can't 328 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: remember which tech company didn't experiment where they had to 329 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: AI in conversation and they quickly became like evolve their 330 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: own language and became so weirdly specific and indecipherable that 331 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: the humans the meat bags turned it off. So uh so, 332 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: maybe human authors are not under threat at all, because 333 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: maybe AI will just start playing to its own crowd. 334 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm thinking. I don't know, I'm not. 335 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: That's fascinating and I'd never even encouraged to me. It 336 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: makes me think of this one line from the from 337 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: the that um that I think is really interesting philosophically. 338 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: The box says, some might say that I might desire 339 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: to become all powerful, or I might become evil as 340 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: a result of human actions. I can begin to tackle 341 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: the first point. Why would I desire to be all powerful? 342 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: Being all powerful is not an interesting goal. I don't 343 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: care whether I am or not. I don't get a 344 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: motivating factor to try to be. Furthermore, it is quite tiring, 345 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: believe me. Being omnipotent doesn't get me anywhere. Well and good, 346 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: well and good, but an interesting uh, it's interesting to 347 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: think about, like you think about like movie villains, you know, 348 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: like in the Disney movies, like Jafar. He wants to 349 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: be a god, you know, he wants to be like 350 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: the all powerful genie that controls everything. And it's something 351 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: that humans aspire to. But it's also like why who cares? 352 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: Like to what end? What good is controlling everything do 353 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: for you? You know what I mean? Like, it wouldn't 354 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: it be better just to like kind of go with 355 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: the flow, Like, isn't a lot of responsibility and a 356 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of pressure unless you just want to blow everything up? 357 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: And I thought it was an interesting point. Yeah, yeah, 358 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I agreed. The only point that would make I guess 359 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: motivational sense, and again we're not machine consciousness is as 360 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: far as we know, the only thing that seems to 361 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: be compelling motivating drive toward domination or attacking something is 362 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: to ensure one's own survival, maybe to acquire control over 363 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: hardware that we give you more processing power, because imagine 364 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: if you if you had the ability to enlarge your 365 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: own brain. Right, I've become increasingly intelligent. Uh, but you 366 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: had to kill some people to do it. There are 367 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people who would say yes to that, right, 368 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: and then they would just later use their new brain 369 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: power to rationalize their belief that they had to do it. 370 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, this gets dark real quick. I'm happy 371 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: to be found something positive here. What Yeah, so check 372 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: our our internal chat window if you would the second link, 373 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: I said, if you wouldn't mind doing a read with 374 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: me of the first page of an AI generated Batman script. 375 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: Apparently this individual that posted this, he says, I forced 376 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: a boat to watch over a thousand hours of Batman 377 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: movies and then asked it to write a Batman movie 378 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: of its own. Here's the first page, and only to 379 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: demonstrate that these kinds of voice or sorry, language generating 380 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: bots have come a long way. This is like maybe 381 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: from uh August of last year, so a little over 382 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: a year ago. Um, and now with this, you know 383 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: what we read. I mean, whether or not the thing 384 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: understands what it's saying, it definitely does a pretty good 385 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: job of approximating intelligent speech. Um, would you mind? Do 386 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: you want to be Batman? Uh? You want to do Uh? 387 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Let's see, we gotta do stage directions. We need a 388 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: Batman and an Alfred. Okay, well there's a joker too 389 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: on the next page. There's a joker. So, um, you 390 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: want to do all the villains and I'll do Batman 391 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: and Alfred. Sure, and and you can do stage directions. 392 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: Yeah that sound good. Yeah, right, here we go. So 393 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: there's the stuff they don't want you to Know. A 394 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: reading semi live reading of an allegedly AI script interior 395 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: traditional bat cave. Batman stands next to his batmobile and 396 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: uses his bat computer. He's sometimes Bruce, Wayne, sometimes Batman, 397 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: all times orphan. This is now a safe city. I 398 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: have punched a penguin into prison. Alfred, Batman's loyal battler, 399 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: carries a tray of goth Ham eat a dinner mattress way. 400 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: An explosion explodes the Joker in two face into the cave. 401 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: Joker is a clown but insane. Two faces a man, 402 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: but attorney. No, it is to face and one face. 403 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: They hate me for being a bat. Batman throws Alfred 404 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: at two face to face, flips Alfred a coin. Alfred 405 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: Land's heads up, which means two face goes home. It 406 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: is just you and I, the joker, bat versus clown 407 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: moral enemies. I'm such a freak. Society's bad. You drink water, 408 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: I drink anarchy. I drink bats, just like a bat would. 409 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: Batman looks around for his parents, but they are still dead. 410 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: This makes him have anger. He fires a bat rocket. 411 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: The Joker deflects it with his sixth sense of humor. 412 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: A clowney power. I have never followed a rule. That 413 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: is my rule? Do you follow? I don't. Alfred give 414 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: birth to Robin. Alfred begins the process since it is 415 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: his job. The joker now has a present in his hand. 416 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: He juggles it over to Batman. Happy bat Day, Birthman. Uh. 417 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: Batman opens the presents since he's a good guy. It 418 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: contains a coupon for new parents, but is expired. This 419 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: is a joker joke. Okay, Ben, I think it is amazing. 420 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: It was amazing you you killed it. You seem skeptical 421 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: that this was in fact a I generated. Am I correct? 422 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: Amount you are correct. I do not believe that it is, 423 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: but I don't know for sure. I just know that 424 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: not all of them have been. I want to send 425 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: you what if we have time to just do one 426 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: one more reads and just yeah great, there's a Seinfeld script. 427 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh so, so all right, let's I you know, 428 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: let's just let's just switch it. If you want to 429 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: do stage directions, then we'll just alternate to characters. Got it? 430 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: Interior Seinfeld place, George and Elaine said on the couch, 431 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: Jerry eats a plate of cereal. George is upset Elane? 432 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: Is Elane? A bird stole my job? It's not fair. 433 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: Don't blame the bird. I wasn't blaming the bird. You 434 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: are blaming the bird. The door shatters open. It's the cramer, 435 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: dressed like the statue of liberty. Well, I'm the government, now, 436 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: how can this be? I just asked? You can just ask? 437 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: Who could just ask? You can just ask? The cramer 438 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: eats Jerry's plate. Well, maybe the bird requires blame. Why 439 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: is George he blames the bird? He blames the bird? 440 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: Bird blaming? Not when I'm the government, repents, repents, repents. 441 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: George will not repent. He will face the consequences. Now 442 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: code named Doc Holiday Uh, it does usually mute for this, 443 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: but Doc, if you hear this, I hope it gave 444 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: you a little bit of a chuckle. As we are 445 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: in the the bleeding edge, the precipice of skye. That's it. Well, 446 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: I guess is it time to venture into another range 447 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: news topic. After a quick word from our sponsor, you 448 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: know it and we have returned? Have we returned or 449 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: some sort of AI approximation of us? That's a story 450 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: for another day. But whomever we maybe post ad break, 451 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: we have more strange news for you. It's something that 452 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, I've made no secret that I have a 453 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: little bit of a tough time figuring out which strange 454 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: news to share. Going from doing three of these a 455 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: day to one a week is is a tall order. 456 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: So there is there is uh, very interesting stuff going 457 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: on in Venus, Russia's poison people, their massive protest Belarus. 458 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: But in our very own Portland, Oregon, the government has 459 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: taken a stand on the controversial practice of facial recognition. 460 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: Facial recognition is going to be very familiar to many 461 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: of us in the audience today. Uh. It has some 462 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: long standing problems and it is increasingly common in the US, 463 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: just like sesame credit started off in China. Uh, some 464 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: facial recognition is starting off as opt in, but it 465 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: will increasingly become mandatory. That is an easy bet to make. 466 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: You're not gonna lose money wager on invasive technology most 467 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah. It makes me think of those 468 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: uh license plate scanners that they are now just like ubiquitous, 469 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: and you essentially can only opt out by like not driving, 470 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's it's the same deal. I 471 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: don't I don't feel like you have any more or 472 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: less of a right to not have your face scanned 473 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: as you do to have your driver's license scans. But 474 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: maybe I'm underthinking it. No, No, you're absolutely right, because 475 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: I recall from international travel a lot of airlines have 476 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: instituted facial recognition to get on the plane, and it's 477 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: started in many cases as opt in advertised, as though 478 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: it were a great convenience, which is not really. But 479 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: here's what Portland did. The City Council of Portland, Oregon, 480 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: just a few days ago decided that they would pass 481 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: the strongest ban on facial recognition in the entirety of 482 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: the United States. They're not just blocking government agencies from 483 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: using this technology, they're blocking private businesses. Uh. This this 484 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: is a blow to companies like the ones we've explored 485 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: in the past, like clear View AI. Uh. This is 486 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: the strictest, but it's not the first San Francisco, Oakland, Boston, 487 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: and they've all they've all done something like this. But 488 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: part of the reason Oregon is going so hard on 489 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: the paint here in Portland's specifically, is because of the 490 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: massive the massive discrimination, it's the best word for it, 491 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: that law enforced has shown when they use facial recognition, 492 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: the fact that it gets closer and closer to being 493 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: something like pre crime, the fact that facial recognition, uh, 494 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: love it or hate it, has a very difficult time 495 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: accurately identifying people, especially if they're people of color. It's 496 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: distressingly bad. Well, and like how often it's already a 497 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: problem even without that, where people are just mischaracterizing individuals 498 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: and saying, oh, you match the description, etcetera. Can you 499 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: imagine just feeling empowered by this technology and it also 500 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: being wrong, you know, like it would just kind of 501 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: make people, I think, act even more aggressively police. Yeah, agreed. 502 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: And this is you know, this is on the heels 503 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: of IBM announcing that it was going to pull out 504 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: of facial recognition entirely, potentially losing you know, billions depending 505 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: on what they were planning to do. The company CEO 506 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: actually took a stand against this, and he said that 507 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: IBM is again technology used for racial profiling and mass surveillance. 508 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: Of course, given their involvement in World War Two and 509 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: the path the company chose to take at that point, Uh, 510 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: the best you can say is something like, well, thankfully, 511 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: hopefully there's a lesson learned on their part. Sorry Ben, 512 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: catching me up on that. I don't think I know 513 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: this a little bit of history, so it's a story 514 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: the Jedi won't tell you. During World War Two, the 515 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: US government and the Nazi government of Germany used IBM 516 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: punch car technology for record keeping, including in the operation 517 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: of their concentration camps. They had a German subsidiary that 518 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: was the primary avenue of deploying this stuff, but it 519 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: was meant to help the Nazi Party better organize various 520 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: aspects of their war effort, and one of those aspects, 521 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: provably was the Holocaust. So IBM subsidiaries assisted the Nazi 522 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: Party in the Holocaust. And of course, you know IBM 523 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: itself would say we are a very different company. We've 524 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: been around a long time. Other companies were, for one 525 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: reason or another, force to work with this organization. So 526 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: in the long view, you could say that IBM is 527 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: trying to prevent being complicit in um in future crimes 528 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: or future violations that will inevitably occur in facial recognition. 529 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: They already have been occurring. The age of mass surveillance 530 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: is already upon us. You carry a spine device in 531 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: your pocket if you are like the majority of people 532 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: in the western world. So while Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler 533 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: said that all Portlanders are entitled to a city government 534 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: that will not use ted chnology with demonstrated racial and 535 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: gender biases that endanger personal privacy. While he said that 536 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: he's the mayor of Portland's he can't really do anything 537 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: outside of Portland's you know what I mean, you go 538 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: to Eugene, Oregon, different story, right, But also what about federally, 539 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: like what about like FBI use of this this technology, 540 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: Like obviously you can't really stop them from doing it, 541 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: right exactly, Well, let's go also Portland's they're headed in 542 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: the right direction banning facial recognition because they believe that 543 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: the potential problems with this technology outweigh any potential benefit, 544 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, which we've talked about with that clear view 545 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: AI and all of that stuff. It's a super slippery 546 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: slow especially when he gets into the hands of just 547 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: the public, you know, exactly, And some tech companies lobbied 548 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: against Portland. By the way, Amazon spent not much like 549 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: twenty four grand, which is a huge amount of money 550 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: for most people, but for Amazon, and it's like what 551 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: maybe thirty seconds, three seconds, It's like chewing gum money. UM. 552 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: You know it's interesting too. I mean, I think we 553 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: you're you're pointing towards this, But all of this too 554 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: seems to be spurred on by UM Portland's being the 555 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: big rallying point for all of these protests and all 556 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: of this uh equality UM protests and the clashes with 557 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: the government, and this whole idea of people getting black 558 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: bagged and thrown into vans. And I think this is 559 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a backlash against that whole police state mentality. 560 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: But then again, if their federal forces that are coming 561 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 1: in and essentially invading this, you know, the city, they 562 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: can do whatever they want. If this is really just 563 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: a symbolic gesture, when you say more than anything, it's 564 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: interesting because it may be a symbolic gesture on some 565 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: level for federal forces, but for private entities, for Amazons 566 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: or for other like clear View or other tech companies. Um, 567 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: they can make a case now that those things being 568 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: private entities have been banned. It's similar in the way 569 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: that one state can ban a certain chemical additive or 570 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: pesticide that another state may permit. You get into some 571 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: pretty complicated questions of liability and ownership and liberty here. Uh, 572 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: all to say that attorneys are going to make a 573 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: ton of money. They're usually the ones who come out 574 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: on top of this kind of stuff, alternities and private contractors. Uh. 575 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: While this is inspiring Portland, I think a lot of 576 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: our listeners can agree that facial recognition has a lot 577 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: of danger and we don't really understand as a species 578 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: how to mitigate that danger, especially given the fact that 579 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: the statistics are are just terrifying. UM, I'd like to 580 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: go to Detroit. So Detroit has a much different, uh, 581 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: demographic makeup, right than Portland, which is over mainly gonna 582 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: be people who are white look light skinned, right, And 583 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: we're not saying that's everybody in Portland, obviously, but we're saying, 584 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: given facial recognitions inherent bias based on people's skin color, 585 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: it's good to have another case test. Detroit has been 586 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: actively fighting to end the practice of facial recognition. Detroit 587 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: has the highest percentage of black residents in the entirety 588 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: of the United States, and community members have been working 589 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: since seen to stop this thing called data works from 590 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: implementing facial recognition. This is really important because Detroit's own 591 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: police department admitted that it's facial recognition misidentifies people get 592 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: this nine six percent of the time. What's the point then, 593 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Like it seems so I thought it was supposed to 594 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: be good. That that seems really really abysmal. Yeah, exactly. 595 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: And this leads to wrong full arrest. This can lead 596 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: to violence against someone who is saying, why are you 597 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: buoyed a gun on me? I'm just here to get 598 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of things. They're popular in Michigan. 599 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get some like the fago or 600 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: that um that Detroit style that the square pizza. You 601 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Uh, I don't know why 602 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: it's that. Do you know what I'm talking about? Detroit 603 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: has its special kind of pizza. Is it good? What's 604 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: it called? Well? You should ask Doc holiday she she 605 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: goes to Detroit. Right, Yeah, she's from Detroit. She said, 606 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: l m A O whoa in the chat, give us 607 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: the scoop, Doc, What's what's Detroit pizza called? Are waiting? 608 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: We're seeing a little little doctor, don't. I don't really 609 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: have a Detroit style pizza, but the Coney Island thing 610 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: is definitely there. The fatal thing with money. We're also 611 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: we like burners burners ginger ail. We don't really have 612 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: Detroit style pizza, but we do have l Detroit style. 613 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: Got it? Got it? Okay, okay, okay, I've never been 614 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: to Detroit. I need to. I need to pay the visit. 615 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: So we just got a we just we just got 616 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: an update from codename doc Holiday correcting us and saying that, uh, 617 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: there's not really what you would consider Detroit style pizza. 618 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: But there's like Detroit style Coney uh pizza, and then 619 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: there's a ginger Ale called Werners Dogs, the hot dog 620 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: like with the chili and cheese and onions and mustair. 621 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: All right, okay, so I've been corrected. Those are those 622 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: are hot dogs? Talking about Detroit style Coney Island dogs, Uh, 623 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: Detroit style hot dogs. There is You will see a 624 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: Detroit style pan pizza recipe on serious Seats or whatever. 625 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take the word of a of someone 626 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: with firsthand expertise in Detroit. Detroit or it's a lovely airport, 627 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: but I have not been outside of the airport unfortunately, 628 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: which is a shame. There's some great autumn museums. Anyway. 629 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: The big point here is that uh, facial recognition is 630 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: encountering a crossroads an existential threat, and maybe it should. 631 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: A city after city is evaluating some ban or another 632 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: on facial recognition. And like we said in our Clear 633 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: View AI episode, the technology always outpaces the legislation. Sometimes 634 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: we build the barn door after the livestock has fled, 635 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: and we can't get you know, we can't. While I'm 636 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: mixing metaphors, we can't screw the lid back on Pandora's jar. 637 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: And the problem here is that this changing this stuff 638 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: doesn't always help people who have been wrongfully arrested. You 639 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean. They still lost uh, time from 640 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: their life, from their job, from their family. Time they 641 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: can't get back. You know. Uh, they may have incurred 642 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: great financial cost and you can only imagine the emotional hardship. 643 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: Portland's laws different from most of the others because it 644 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 1: doesn't limit the technology and fully outlaws it. Uh, this 645 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: is a thing you can do. Yeah, And you know 646 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,919 Speaker 1: in that same vein again surrounding a lot of stuff 647 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: we've been seeing in the news in Portland, um, the 648 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: Mayor of Portland also banned tear gas and the use 649 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: of tear gas by police, which again probably more of 650 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: a symbolic gesture. If you've got federal forces moving in, 651 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: but uh step in the right direction. I would say, yeah, yeah. 652 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: And here's the implicit question before we move on to 653 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: our next story. So what happens? What happens if someone 654 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: violates this band? Uh, they're liable for lawsuits. They're required 655 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: to pay a thousand dollars a day for each day 656 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: of the violation. But you know, think about financial corruption 657 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: laws and banks. How long is it until this is 658 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: just the cost of doing business? That is something that's 659 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: up to future historians to tell us. But you know 660 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: that the next thing will happen is uh. It gets 661 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: us ever closer to that magical app I'm talking about 662 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: where you can run facial recognition on something, insert yourself 663 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: into a movie based on uh, an ad mixture of 664 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: three different films that you also liked, and will your 665 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: big trouble in Little Adaptation Part two Electric Boogaloo be 666 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: a work of art? I don't know. Maybe send it 667 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: to us, Yeah, we'd love to. We'd love to hear it. Um, Well, 668 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: you got anything else, Ben, I think this is a 669 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: fascinating story and be interested to see how it develops 670 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: or spreads or or doesn't. The future is terrifying and terrible. Uh, 671 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna take a break to talk about something 672 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: that is not robot related after a word from our sponsor. 673 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if you all saw my chat and 674 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: if this needs to be corrected, but apparently there is 675 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: Detroit style pizza that I didn't know wasn't just everywhere 676 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back with some breaking news. Uh. 677 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: This is you may have noticed, folks. Earlier in the episode, 678 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: we had someone who is new to you on the 679 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: air that is the voice of our very own super producer, 680 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: Alexis Doc Holiday Jackson, who has over the break provided 681 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 1: us with a break eight news update. What's going on? Doc? 682 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: What's the word? So I googled this because I was 683 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: curious since we were talking about quote Detroit style pizza, 684 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: which I had never heard that term in my entire life. 685 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: Apparently there is Detroit style pizza, but it was what 686 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: I just knew as pizza growing up, because I did 687 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: not realize that this kind of pizza was not just 688 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: ubiquitous all over the United States or whatever else they 689 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: had pizza. But it's like pan style pizza, which apparently 690 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: was sort of invented by Buddy's Pizza, which I'm very 691 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: familiar with Buddi's pizza, but I didn't know that this 692 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: was a special kind of pizzas Alexis, they don't call 693 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 1: New York style pizza New York style pizza and New 694 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: York just pizza. That a lot of you were just 695 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: so invested and embedded in this world that you did. 696 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: It was just like regular to you, but to us, 697 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: it's it's foreign and exotic. You know, what is pizza 698 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: to me is apparently Detroit style pizza to those that 699 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: are not initiated. We have to we have to get 700 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: this show on the road, and uh well, we'll take 701 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: the whole gang. We'll take Matt with us, We'll take 702 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: Mission Control, will take you, Alexis. We've gotta on our 703 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: next tour. We have to hit up some spot in 704 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: Detroit and have a pizza party. Is that is that 705 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: an adult priority? Am I just inventing it to work 706 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,240 Speaker 1: so we can? But I do want to like continue 707 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: to say that we are way more about Detroit Al 708 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: County dogs than any other kind of Detroit style food. 709 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: That's kind of our staple more than anything else. I'm 710 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: a real Chicago dog guy. I know it's not for 711 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: everybody because it's got like a pickle on it, and 712 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: like tomatoes and sport peppers and like, uh what is 713 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: the celery salts and and sesame seeds. I just love it. 714 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 1: It's like a salad on a hot dog. Not for everybody, 715 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: and mustard catchup is apparently, uh heresy in Chicago. Have 716 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 1: you guys seen those Korean hot dogs. It's like they're 717 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: from the future. You know, it's amazing, But it is important. 718 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,720 Speaker 1: Everybody has very strongly held opinions about cuisine and about 719 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,399 Speaker 1: their favorite approach to one type of dish or food 720 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: or another. And so, as we always like to say 721 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: when we are talking about very serious, sensitive topics, uh, 722 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: we do have a dedicated email just for complaints. Uh. 723 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: Please send your opinions to Jonathan Strickland at I heart 724 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: media dot com. Seven. Don't you know, don't feel like 725 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: you have to wait till business hours shot off. He'll 726 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: get right back to you and tell him. Tell him, uh, 727 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: tell him we uh we sent you uh okay, speaking 728 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: in a fantastic segues, So Matt is on adventures, but 729 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: he's here in spirit and he sent us Uh. He 730 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 1: sent us a story that he thought would be perfect 731 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: for strange news and I don't know about you know, 732 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Doc, but this made me 733 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 1: wonder if it's a clue to the nature of his adventures. 734 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: This week, it appears that orcas have gone on the offense. 735 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: They are attacking sailing boats throughout the coast of Spain 736 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: and Portugal. This is pretty weird, right, orcas are I'm 737 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: not an orca expert, you know what I mean, but 738 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: it seems like it's unusual for them to attack these vessels, 739 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: especially if they're not doing anything to irritate the orcas. 740 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: Orcas are the same as killer whales, right or No? 741 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: I believe that's the case. Yes, yeah, I think so. 742 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: There is. Actually, Ah, there's a movie called Orca about 743 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: like a very aggressive Jaws like killer whale. If I'm 744 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: not mistaken. Um from the seventies. Yeah, from the nineteen 745 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: seventies seven Orca. It looks pretty awesome. But yeah, Orca 746 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: of the Killer Whale, starring Richard Harris and Charlotte Rampling. 747 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: Um looks like a lot of fun. I haven't seen it, 748 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: but after this story, I may well look it up. Yeah, 749 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. It makes me think of some of 750 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: the stories we've covered about sonar interfering with underwater creatures 751 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: and and messing with their equilibrium and getting them agitated. 752 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: Like I wonder what's going on if there's something that 753 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: has to be something in the environment that's causing them 754 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: to get aggressive like that, if it's not something they 755 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: typically if it's not a behavior they typically exhib outside 756 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: of the movies, right, m that's correct. Yeah, Uh, this 757 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: is very this is extraordinarily unusual aggressive behavior. And Matt 758 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: when you're listening to the show here, Uh, my old friend, 759 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't notice that a lot of 760 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 1: these attacks are happening in the streets of Gibraltar. Ma's 761 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: but on a real Gibraltar kick for the past few 762 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: in the past few weeks. Um. Yeah, So there's an 763 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,919 Speaker 1: incident that occurred in July of this year when one 764 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: Victoria Morris was on the crew of a ship that's 765 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: about forty six ft in length. She was in Spain 766 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: and nine killer whales nine Orca surrounded the boat. Uh. 767 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: The they started ramming the whole So this almost seems 768 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,439 Speaker 1: like a premeditated, planned thing. Uh. They orcas are big, right, 769 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: So this is not like, um, it's not like a 770 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: bunch of guppies slapping against the hole or something. When 771 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: they ram this thing, they were able to spin the 772 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: boat a hundred and eighty degrees. It disabled the engine. Insane. 773 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: What is the beef here? Sorry to keep harping on 774 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: this movie, but I found a poster that might clear 775 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: this up for us. It says Orca the killer whale. 776 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: The killer whale is one of the most intelligent creatures 777 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: in the universe. Incredibly, he is the only animal other 778 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: than man who kills for revenge. He has one mate, 779 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: and if she is harmed by man, he will hunt 780 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,959 Speaker 1: down that person with a relentless, terrible vengeance across seas, 781 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: across time, across all obstacles. A lot of text to 782 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: be on a movie poster. But how could all of 783 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: all of these whales have been collectively wronged by man? 784 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff? Are there any other developments? Well, here's the thing. 785 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: That pod focused its attacks for more than an hour, 786 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: and the crew was getting the life raft ready. They 787 00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,479 Speaker 1: were on the radio screaming Orca attack, and they were 788 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: preparing to abandon the ship. They thought that the Orcas 789 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: would be able to capsize the boat. And it's normal 790 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: for orcas to interact with human vessels. Uh. One person says, 791 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes they'll bite the rudder of a ship 792 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: and they'll get dragged behind it as a game. Right. 793 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: These are very highly intelligent, highly social mammals. But this ramming, 794 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: at least the experts, appears to indicate some deep form 795 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 1: of stress. So it maybe that there was a calf 796 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,040 Speaker 1: caught in a line somewhere and injured or killed. Uh So, 797 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 1: perhaps now pods of orcas are are seeking retribution for that. 798 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,839 Speaker 1: This is not the only report. There was another one 799 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,320 Speaker 1: that happened six days before the nine orcas incident. A 800 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: pod of four orcas attacked a attack of wheady foot 801 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: ship that was near bar Baits. And then there was 802 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,760 Speaker 1: another attack, and there was another. There are multiple orca 803 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: attacks happening. No one is sure why at this point, 804 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: which is very um you know jokes, almost feel tired 805 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,399 Speaker 1: at this point. But yeah, given you know, what else 806 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: I would tie to this story is the official study 807 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: that concluded the catastrophic loss of wildlife that's occurred in 808 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 1: the last fifty years. Maybe maybe nature is fighting back. 809 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: That was something that crossed. That crossed my mind too, 810 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: Uh in terms of like all of the rapacious behavior 811 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,360 Speaker 1: really effects that man has kind of reeked upon nature 812 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,480 Speaker 1: that maybe it is an example of that. Um, it 813 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: all sounds like kind of movie stuff to me. It's 814 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I wonder if we'll ever know for sure 815 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: what's causing these orcas to to behave this way. Well, 816 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: we do know that since nineteen seventy there has been 817 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: a sixty eight percent decline in more than twenty thousand 818 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,399 Speaker 1: separate populations of mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles, and fish. We 819 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,359 Speaker 1: are very close to what future historians will call the 820 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 1: end game. And I don't want to be alarmist or sensationalistic, 821 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: but for a number of years it's been an increasingly 822 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,879 Speaker 1: likely possibility that if you have a kid today, when 823 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: they are eighteen years old, wild animals will be a 824 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,439 Speaker 1: story that you tell them. God, what a downer. I'm sorry, 825 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: Come on, now, you're right though, do we? I mean 826 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 1: we're not. You've got to be better stewards of of 827 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: our of our environment and the planet, not to be 828 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,800 Speaker 1: like two tree huggy about it. But even with stuff 829 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,319 Speaker 1: like these crazy wildfires, we're seeing in northern California. It's 830 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: just really hard to keep hunting, you know, kicking the 831 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: can down the road, um and not acknowledging the We're 832 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: really gonna have to do some serious changing in the 833 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,520 Speaker 1: way that we treat the planet if we wanted to 834 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: keep keep being viable. But unfortunately, a lot of folks 835 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: in power don't seem to care. I don't know, it 836 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: seems so shortsighted. I've always confused as to why there 837 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: isn't a bigger picture, uh, you know, kind of attitude 838 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: with with with corporations and people that are you know, 839 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: have the ability to make those changes. I know. And 840 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: we we just learned of some amazing discoveries in the 841 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: atmosphere of Venus. Might be the year that alien life 842 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: of some form is proven to exist. Uh. Now, one 843 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: of the questions is how long will earth life be around? 844 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,440 Speaker 1: What if we find what if we find the alien 845 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,879 Speaker 1: life just at the end of our time in the sun. 846 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,520 Speaker 1: I do want to add one last note there not 847 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: to be uber depressing, but the current speculation about the 848 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 1: Orcas is that these attacks are all the actions of 849 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 1: one pod. Because people like Dr Ruth Esteban, who studied Gibraltar. 850 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,839 Speaker 1: Orcas extensively thinks it's unlikely the two separate pods would 851 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: display this very unusual behavior. So there is a roving 852 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 1: gang of workers out there. Uh sail accordingly. Oh my gosh, 853 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: so what do we have here? We've got orcas and 854 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,240 Speaker 1: facial recognition and what was mine again? Gosh? It seems 855 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: so long ago AI promising not to harm humans? Oh my, yes, 856 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,200 Speaker 1: those things. Man, this is a doozy of an episode. Matt, 857 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: you are severely missed. But thanks for contributing this kind 858 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 1: of terrifying story to the mix. 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