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Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife this week.
Speaker 4: Seventy years ago, a runner by the name of Roger
Speaker 4: Banister became the first man to break the four minute
Speaker 4: mile record, which was previously thought impossible. His time was
Speaker 4: three minutes fifty nine point four seconds. It was common
Speaker 4: belief up till then that nobody could beat that record,
Speaker 4: so nobody ever did. Once Banister beat the record. Then
Speaker 4: it was achievable by so many and the fastest person
Speaker 4: currently alive does it in it three minutes and forty
Speaker 4: three seconds. When we look at the airplane, those two
Speaker 4: persistent brothers, Orville and Wilbur Wright were the first to
Speaker 4: fly December seventeenth, nineteen oh three, another feat that was
Speaker 4: previously thought impossible. Much of our economy and our lives
Speaker 4: are based on air travel. Right where would we be
Speaker 4: without it? Would you agree right now that our beliefs
Speaker 4: can dictate what is possible in our life lives. Let's
Speaker 4: talk about afterlife communication right now. Beliefs are changing about it,
Speaker 4: and I've seen so many people come through our online
Speaker 4: medium classes so effectively giving evidence and messages from loved ones.
Speaker 4: I often share stories with you of those meditating to connect,
Speaker 4: doing inspired writing, electronic voice phenomena, receiving signs and telepathic
Speaker 4: messages from people in the afterlife trying to connect. Like
Speaker 4: Runner Roger Banister, I think all we need to do
Speaker 4: is hear that one person can do it, and then
Speaker 4: we think, hey, if they can do it, I can
Speaker 4: do it. That brings me to our subject today. A
Speaker 4: few weeks ago, I shared a sound clip from a
Speaker 4: man named Leslie Flint, who was called an independent direct
Speaker 4: voice medium, so he could bring through voices of deceased
Speaker 4: loved ones for people to talk to. These voices were
Speaker 4: independent of Leslie's He was often tested. They would even
Speaker 4: put diye in his mouth and tape his mouth shut,
Speaker 4: and these voices would still come out of the darkness
Speaker 4: and people could have a conversation with their loved one.
Speaker 4: Leslie Flint was a man who came from a very
Speaker 4: tough childhood, but made his life about helping people believe
Speaker 4: in the afterlife. He never asked for much, he didn't
Speaker 4: get rich, and now there are thousands of recordings of
Speaker 4: conversations people held with their loved ones through his mediumship.
Speaker 4: My question to you is this, do you think by
Speaker 4: hearing Leslie's story today that it might open up your mind?
Speaker 4: Like can this happen again? And if this kind of
Speaker 4: thing is possible, what else is possible in the world
Speaker 4: of the afterlife. Many people are still living like the
Speaker 4: four minute mile cannot be beat. They live like there's
Speaker 4: no evidence of the afterlife. But if you've been listening
Speaker 4: to shades of the afterlife for a while and doing
Speaker 4: your own afterlife investigation. You know, the afterlife is real,
Speaker 4: that our loved ones are still around and we can
Speaker 4: communicate with them. And this is what I've dedicated my
Speaker 4: life to. Leslie Flint's book is titled Voices in the
Speaker 4: Dark and you can hear hundreds of these recordings I
Speaker 4: mentioned at Leslieflint dot com. I think the best way
Speaker 4: to tell you the story of Leslie Flint is to
Speaker 4: read to you his obituary. Leslie Walter Flint Medium born
Speaker 4: London nineteen eleven died Hove, West Sussex, sixteenth of April
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four. In his heyday, which was before the
Speaker 4: war and some twenty five years after it, Leslie Flint
Speaker 4: was one of Britain's best known spiritualists. He possessed the
Speaker 4: rarer distinction of being a direct voice medium. Flint used
Speaker 4: no trumpets or other paraphernalia. Though sitting in total darkness.
Speaker 4: He did his work wide awake, not in a trance.
Speaker 4: Those who flocked to him could engage if conditions were right,
Speaker 4: in fluent conversation with others, family and friends, strangers and
Speaker 4: the well known, all of them passed over who manifested
Speaker 4: themselves in space voice only around Flint's solid, if unseen presence,
Speaker 4: As he said, a little above my head and slightly
Speaker 4: to one side. The mood was not at all solemn.
Speaker 4: Leslie Flint took his inexplicable gifts sensibly and objectively, sometimes lightheartedly,
Speaker 4: especially when conversing with his familiar, a child named Mickey,
Speaker 4: who had been run down in a street accident in
Speaker 4: Camden Town back in the nineteen tens. This perky and
Speaker 4: impertinent boy would engage his master in chit chat and
Speaker 4: occasionally turn his sharp tongue on a dozen or so
Speaker 4: guests round the Big Paddington drawing room, or, when Flint's
Speaker 4: health had permitted him to tour earlier decades, packing the churches,
Speaker 4: halls and theaters in hundreds and thousands all over Britain,
Speaker 4: the continent of Europe, and in America, the dead became
Speaker 4: a normal part of his world early and enduringly. Aged eight,
Speaker 4: he saw the apparently solid figure of a deceased uncle
Speaker 4: in his granny's kitchen, and around the same time grew
Speaker 4: aware that the voices whispering all around him at the
Speaker 4: cinema in the Silent Era hadn't paid for their admission.
Speaker 4: He was by turns a cemetery gardener, a grave digger,
Speaker 4: a semi professional dancer, a cinema usher and a barman
Speaker 4: before he found his medium, so to speak, and founded
Speaker 4: a spiritualist circle in Sydney Grove Hendon with the aim
Speaker 4: of providing evidence of the continuity of life after physical
Speaker 4: death by the demonstration of his psychic gifts. From that
Speaker 4: time in the mid nineteen thirties, Flint took off and
Speaker 4: was soon filling the biggest halls in London and answering
Speaker 4: mail bags of letters. He willingly submitted to numerous tests
Speaker 4: to disprove accusations of ventriloquism or other deceptions. In one,
Speaker 4: he held a measured quantity of colored water in his
Speaker 4: mouth throughout a seance. In another, a throat microphone registered
Speaker 4: no vibrations from his larynx while the voices continued to talk.
Speaker 4: He allowed anyone who liked to to record his seances.
Speaker 4: The famous were no stranger to him. Rudolph Valentino often came.
Speaker 4: Others included Leslie Howard, Cosmo Lang, the late Archbishop of Canterbury,
Speaker 4: and Queen Victoria. An important calling card for the invitation
Speaker 4: that came to Flint to take tea at Kensington Palace
Speaker 4: with the Queen's daughter, Princess Louise. Unsurprisingly, Flint was a
Speaker 4: conscious objector and served in a non combatant regiment for
Speaker 4: part of the Second World War, and then worked briefly
Speaker 4: in the coal mines. Though he much preferred the sedentary
Speaker 4: darkness of his psychic occupation, the famous were vastly outnumbered
Speaker 4: by the spirit voices of the anonymous, ordinary people speaking
Speaker 4: messages of hope, comfort, or occasional clairvoyance to their friends
Speaker 4: and relatives. I attended several sittings. They were always held
Speaker 4: in pitch dark, Flint explaining that he extruded ectoplasm, which
Speaker 4: was formed into the etheric voice box for the dead
Speaker 4: to relay their words, and any sudden intrusion of light
Speaker 4: would send it recoiling back into him like a kick
Speaker 4: in the midrifft, potentially very dangerous. Mickey came through introducing
Speaker 4: the speakers. Though tolerantly skeptical, I concede that those which
Speaker 4: addressed me claiming acquaintance with a recently deceased parent, answered
Speaker 4: test questions about childhood, family and pets with fluency and accuracy.
Speaker 4: They did not seem to need to pause for breaths.
Speaker 4: Flint's heavy breathing was audible, and he sometimes talked over
Speaker 4: the voices. No charge beyond tea and biscuits money was
Speaker 4: asked for in these group sessions. Leslie Flint presumably made
Speaker 4: a satisfactory living out of private sittings and a book,
Speaker 4: Voices in the Dark, that he co authored with Doreen
Speaker 4: Montgomery in nineteen seventy one. With advancing age, bronchitis, and
Speaker 4: other infirmities, his powers became unreliable, the voices faded, and
Speaker 4: last month their remarkable conductor himself died quietly by the sea.
Speaker 4: I like to think, however, that we have not heard
Speaker 4: the last of him. That was written by Alexander Walker
Speaker 4: on the ninth of May nineteen ninety four. While we're
Speaker 4: together today, I want to read to you Leslie Flint's
Speaker 4: words so we can get a little bit of an
Speaker 4: idea of who he was and the tough upbringing that
Speaker 4: he went through. In the next segment, however, you're going
Speaker 4: to hear the words from Carl Jackson Barnes. He's the
Speaker 4: curator of the Leslie Flint Trust, that online presence with
Speaker 4: thousands of recordings. We'll hear a few recordings in the
Speaker 4: next segment together, but because the quality of the taping
Speaker 4: isn't so great again, these are from the nineteen fifties, sixties, forties,
Speaker 4: that you'll get a taste of those words. And then
Speaker 4: I think it's more important to hear some of these
Speaker 4: words from Leslie Flint himself, obviously through me reading them,
Speaker 4: but to open up that conversation. Like I said in
Speaker 4: the beginning, if this was possible once, could this be
Speaker 4: possible again? In your spare time, go to Leslieflint dot
Speaker 4: com and you can listen to so many recordings, and
Speaker 4: you can also read the transcripts as you are listening.
Speaker 4: I have right by my side a copy of the
Speaker 4: book Voices in the Dark by Leslie Flint. On the
Speaker 4: back cover of the book, Leslie writes, I think I
Speaker 4: can safely say I am the most tested medium this
Speaker 4: country has ever produced. I have been boxed up, tied up,
Speaker 4: sealed up, gagged, bound and held, and yet the voices
Speaker 4: still came to speak to their loved ones their message
Speaker 4: of eternal life. It also says, Voices in the Dark
Speaker 4: contains quite astounding evidence of survival after death, and it
Speaker 4: simply cannot be explained away. No one who reads this
Speaker 4: volume will ever reasonably doubt that the afterlife exists and
Speaker 4: is a reality for all, be they known or unknown.
Speaker 4: It is time for our first break, and when we
Speaker 4: get back, you'll hear from Leslie Flint dot Com curator
Speaker 4: Carl Jackson Barnes. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife
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Speaker 4: podcast network.
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Speaker 4: Well, you're a long Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 4: This is Voices in the Dark, the story of Leslie Flint,
Speaker 4: Carl Jackson Barnes, you'll hear from next. He's studied mediumship
Speaker 4: in the UK for over thirty years. He's the editor
Speaker 4: and publisher of Psychic book Club Publishing and manages the
Speaker 4: Leslie Flint Trust website. So he knows more than anyone.
Speaker 4: Let's hear from him in his own words.
Speaker 5: Back in nineteen eighty four, I'd read a book called
Speaker 5: Life After Death, which became a bestseller written by UK
Speaker 5: journalists called Neville Randall, and that was about the mediumship
Speaker 5: of Leslie Flint. Flint was a physical medium in the
Speaker 5: UK who was able to allow spirit people to speak
Speaker 5: in their own voices channeled, but they came through a
Speaker 5: spirit made artificial voice box. Now I've got a clip,
Speaker 5: an audio clip I'd like to play. I've sent himself
Speaker 5: talking very briefly at only a few seconds, where he
Speaker 5: talks about how this communication, this type of mediumship works.
Speaker 3: The voices are quite independent. This has been proven scientifically
Speaker 3: by all men of tests over.
Speaker 6: Many many years.
Speaker 3: The voice to speak sometimes at a distance from me,
Speaker 3: sometimes in my vicinity, but the voices themselves are quite
Speaker 3: clear card and separate from me as an individual. I
Speaker 3: have nothing to do with it, and get them quite normal.
Speaker 3: I talk to the voices, and sometimes I'm heard to
Speaker 3: speak at the same time. Sometimes you can hear me coughing,
Speaker 3: because I said, for the chest contains I regret as
Speaker 3: a open cough during a session, and there's opencasts for
Speaker 3: a voicemen.
Speaker 5: It's speaking now. That was the voice of the medium himself,
Speaker 5: describing how his mediumship works on an old radio show
Speaker 5: to Ald about nineteen seventy one. But reading Neville Randall's
Speaker 5: book about Flint's work, I noticed it can transcripts from
Speaker 5: actual recordings. So these were the actual words of dead people.
Speaker 5: And in nineteen eighty four, I'm reading this, I'm a teenager,
Speaker 5: but it blew my mind. I couldn't believe it. Could
Speaker 5: it be real? Could it all be fake? Was this
Speaker 5: guy putting the voices on? Did he have friends in
Speaker 5: another room and they had equipment and microphones and all
Speaker 5: the rest of it. But later on it was actually
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight I found the Leslie Flint Trust website,
Speaker 5: and this website was full of audio recordings of these
Speaker 5: spirit voices. Mister Flint passed away himself in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 5: I never actually got the chance to see him. I
Speaker 5: wish I had, because I could have gone. I just
Speaker 5: didn't have the nerve, to be honest, to go and
Speaker 5: see him. I didn't think I'd be taken seriously. But
Speaker 5: having found this website, I found that there were all
Speaker 5: kinds of recordings of all kinds of different people recorded
Speaker 5: live talking about how they arrived in the spirit world
Speaker 5: or in the afterlife, and how they got on with
Speaker 5: their time there and what they did. And it was
Speaker 5: so exciting. I began recommending this Flintress website to everybody,
Speaker 5: and I bought multiple copies of Neville Randall's book Life
Speaker 5: After Death, and I gave copies away to friends and
Speaker 5: anyone I thought was interested. I couldn't believe my ears.
Speaker 5: I really thought it was amazing. Now I've also got
Speaker 5: for you two or three very very short recordings I
Speaker 5: have Leslie flint seances. There are only a few seconds each.
Speaker 5: He worked, if you like, as a medium for about
Speaker 5: sixty years. It was his life, and he had hundreds
Speaker 5: of people would visit him. They would travel for miles.
Speaker 5: They may have been in London. He was in London,
Speaker 5: but they came from the parts of the world, from
Speaker 5: the States, from Europe, from Australia, New Zealand all over,
Speaker 5: and they came to see him in the hope that
Speaker 5: they could speak to their own loved ones, of.
Speaker 4: Course, And let me just ask Carl Leslie was tested,
Speaker 4: wasn't he just to make sure that there is no
Speaker 4: fraud involved and wrong? He was very highly tested.
Speaker 5: That's right. Over years, in the first probably twenty years,
Speaker 5: he was tested numerous times with the technology that was
Speaker 5: a very well at the time. So we're talking about
Speaker 5: the nineteen thirties, forties and fifties and on into the seventies.
Speaker 5: He had throat microphones, his mouth was taped up, all
Speaker 5: kinds of things were tried, and the voices still came.
Speaker 5: Now people have said some strange things in that, well,
Speaker 5: if the voice isn't coming through his vocal organs through
Speaker 5: his throat, it must be coming through his stomach, which
Speaker 5: is the most ridiculous thing you could imagine. So the
Speaker 5: skeptics or those that were completely baffled by this kind
Speaker 5: of mechanism of mediumship were desperately trying to find an alternative.
Speaker 5: They were saying he was a ventriloquist. They were saying
Speaker 5: there were accomplices. But mister Flint, his mediumship wasn't dependent
Speaker 5: on the location. He would be invited to public halls
Speaker 5: and he would demonstrate in front of hundreds of people,
Speaker 5: or he would be invited to a private home and
Speaker 5: he'd arrive and there'd be three or four people there,
Speaker 5: and still the spirit voices would come, so location didn't matter.
Speaker 5: Leslie Flint had one main regular spirit that would come through.
Speaker 5: He called himself Mickey. Mickey was a communicator with hidden depths.
Speaker 5: He came across as a cockney Londoner or a London
Speaker 5: cockney a youngster, and Micky actually talked about his life
Speaker 5: and he said that he was killed about the age
Speaker 5: of eleven, around about nineteen ten. He used to sell
Speaker 5: newspapers outside one of the London tube stations and he
Speaker 5: was killed in a traffic accident. But he became Leslie
Speaker 5: Flint's initial speaker. He would always be there before other
Speaker 5: communicators would come through. So Micky's often heard on Flint
Speaker 5: recordings saying hello, as everybody, We've got somebody here for you.
Speaker 5: I'll come back later. But often Micky would speak for
Speaker 5: half an hour to an hour about various subjects. He
Speaker 5: would address those presents, but the most interesting thing for
Speaker 5: me is that whoever was communicating from the spirit world
Speaker 5: at a Leslie Flint recording or sitting, mister Flint would
Speaker 5: also interact. He'd be involved. He wasn't in a trance,
Speaker 5: he wasn't asleep. He would talk with them. He would
Speaker 5: listen quietly, because if the communication was a private thing
Speaker 5: between the person who had booked the sitting and the
Speaker 5: spirit communicator, mister Flint would keep out of it. But
Speaker 5: if the opportunity arose, he would laugh at the jokes
Speaker 5: and he would get involved in the conversation. So there
Speaker 5: was no trance involved. The reality of it is just
Speaker 5: too much for some people. I find it amazing and
Speaker 5: I still question him years later. But here's a very
Speaker 5: short clip of Mickey talking to those in the room
Speaker 5: from about nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 7: This one all the nice Girls the same was a
Speaker 7: night girls rather time dol aguin short. See and you're
Speaker 7: seeing ya ya, Yeah, mummy, she loves hudents, just see them.
Speaker 7: And she wasn't feeling too good. She sent her sitting
Speaker 7: in a chair and sort of singing herself.
Speaker 5: That was Mickey, But at that point, towards the end
Speaker 5: of that recording, he would then allow in this case,
Speaker 5: the gentleman that was speaking his mother in the spirit
Speaker 5: world to come through and take over the conversation. So
Speaker 5: Micky introduced people, but he would interact with those sitting
Speaker 5: there and have a laugh and a joke with them
Speaker 5: to hopefully break the ice and help people relax. We
Speaker 5: have Mickey as a regular communicator introducing those that come
Speaker 5: through later. Now, mister Flint had a lot of other
Speaker 5: people's loved ones coming through for communications, but he also
Speaker 5: had a lot of well known people coming through. This
Speaker 5: very short clip is a voice which is in my estimation,
Speaker 5: is nothing like mister Flint's voice at all, and it's
Speaker 5: the voice of somebody who passed away in nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 5: gentleman called Mahat mcgandhy. Gandhy was killed in nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 5: but this recording, I think is from about nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 5: I remember rightly the man's happiness.
Speaker 8: He's in the knowledge and the realization of the life
Speaker 8: that he took up.
Speaker 6: The life is that the training ground.
Speaker 8: It is about the school in which man hast learned
Speaker 8: the lesson which will in sequence give him the opportunity
Speaker 8: to inherit the kingdom of living. There is so much
Speaker 8: ignorance in your work. So few as students, so few
Speaker 8: are prepared to learn, so many as selfishent and foolish news.
Speaker 5: To There was an awful lot of philosophical communications came
Speaker 5: through as well. Also, remember that because mister Flint was
Speaker 5: recording his silences or settings for fifty years, there are
Speaker 5: thousands of them. And there's one more, very brief one
Speaker 5: before I talk about what I've been doing recently, that
Speaker 5: i'd like you to hear a husband and wife very private.
Speaker 5: You've got Leslie Flint in his chair in the room
Speaker 5: in his home in London. And then the gentleman that
Speaker 5: traveled from Sweden. His home in Sweden came over to
Speaker 5: London to see Flint on a regular basis for about
Speaker 5: fifty or sixty occasions, to speak to his wife who
Speaker 5: had died previously. This is a lady called Annie Nanjee.
Speaker 5: She was European, a husband was Indian, although they lived
Speaker 5: in Sweden. Now Annie's speaking to her husband.
Speaker 6: Here we are.
Speaker 9: You, and I know that this is not the end
Speaker 9: and the end it used to be, and wonderful exist
Speaker 9: when I come to you in the flat.
Speaker 5: I wish I could do certain.
Speaker 8: Things to make you.
Speaker 9: See and hear me.
Speaker 10: I know you, I know who said that.
Speaker 9: I wish you could see with your prime and you
Speaker 9: could hear it with your ears when I come and
Speaker 9: I try to see me.
Speaker 4: When you come here, I can talk with you. And
Speaker 4: I wish I could do.
Speaker 5: This at all.
Speaker 9: That is what I would like, Sue much.
Speaker 5: Now, that to me is quite in a way, it
Speaker 5: can be quite emotional because if you're listening to it
Speaker 5: from the communicators point of view, she's saying, I want
Speaker 5: you to see me, I want you to hear me,
Speaker 5: but I have to come to a medium like this
Speaker 5: for us to communicate. I think I've got about fifty
Speaker 5: or sixty recordings of this married couple talking privately, and
Speaker 5: they do want us to know that they're around. It's
Speaker 5: not a one way thing. They're happy to help us,
Speaker 5: they're happy to support us in whatever we do. And
Speaker 5: if we're sad, they're sad. And if we're happy, they're happy.
Speaker 5: That relationship, that connection never ends. And listening to recordings
Speaker 5: like this of what I believe are genuine spirit unicts
Speaker 5: talking in this way, it makes it more real.
Speaker 4: I realize that those aren't easy to understand, but I
Speaker 4: still wanted you to hear them, just to repeat what
Speaker 4: Gandhi said. Man's happiness is in the knowledge and the
Speaker 4: realization of the life that is to come. The earth
Speaker 4: life is but the training ground. It is the school
Speaker 4: in which man must learn the lesson which will, in
Speaker 4: consequence give him the opportunity to inherit the kingdom of
Speaker 4: the Living Father. There is so much ignorance in the world,
Speaker 4: so few are students, so few are prepared to learn.
Speaker 4: And in the words of Annie Nanji, she said, death
Speaker 4: is not the end. It is the beginning of a
Speaker 4: greater and more wonderful existence. We'll take our next break now,
Speaker 4: and when we come back, I'd like to do some
Speaker 4: reading from the book Voices of the Dark, just to
Speaker 4: get a taste of the man Leslie Flint was. We'll
Speaker 4: be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 4: and this episode is dedicated to Leslie Flint, the incredible
Speaker 4: medium who would sit with thousands of people in the dark.
Speaker 4: Even though he was able to maintain a conversation, voices
Speaker 4: of their loved ones would come in and they'd be
Speaker 4: able to speak with them. So I'd like to read
Speaker 4: some of his words from the book Voices in the Dark,
Speaker 4: and then also tell you his story. I'm reminded that
Speaker 4: so many times people have a terrible start in life,
Speaker 4: Awful things happen, and then they go on to do
Speaker 4: some pretty great things. So let's start out with some
Speaker 4: words from Leslie in chapter one. In spite of a
Speaker 4: childhood that would give any modern child psychiatrist nightmares, I
Speaker 4: have reached the age of fifty nine without falling prey
Speaker 4: to neurosis, psychosis, or even the screaming mimis. I am
Speaker 4: a happy man. I have friends who delight me, hobbies
Speaker 4: to absorb me, and I find satisfaction and fulfillment in
Speaker 4: my work. I do my work by sitting wide awake
Speaker 4: in total darkness with other people. I am a medium.
Speaker 4: I have the rare gift known as independent direct voice.
Speaker 4: I do not speak in trance. I need no trumpets
Speaker 4: or other paraphernalia. The voices of the dead speak directly
Speaker 4: to their friends or relatives, and are located in a
Speaker 4: space a little above my head and slightly to one
Speaker 4: side of me. They are objective voices which my sitters
Speaker 4: can record on their own tape recorders to play later
Speaker 4: in the privacy of their homes. Sometimes those who speak
Speaker 4: from beyond the grave achieve only a whisper, hoarse and strained.
Speaker 4: At other times, they speak clearly and fluently, and voices
Speaker 4: recognizably during their own life, and even after thirty five
Speaker 4: years of my mediumship, I do not fully understand what
Speaker 4: the conditions which cause the phenomena to vary in this way.
Speaker 4: I do know I have learned more about life and
Speaker 4: people and human problems and emotions by sitting in the
Speaker 4: dark than I could have possibly learned in any other way.
Speaker 4: And those who have taught me the most are people
Speaker 4: who dead to this world are living in the next.
Speaker 4: It seems to me, after entering my sixtieth year, it
Speaker 4: is time to set down on paper the story of
Speaker 4: my strange talent and the life it has led me.
Speaker 4: And where better to begin than the beginning. My mother
Speaker 4: was much too beautiful for her own good. She loved
Speaker 4: pleasure and admiration, so no one in the dingy street
Speaker 4: where she lived with her widowed mother was surprised when
Speaker 4: she left her job in a local factory and disappeared
Speaker 4: from her usual haunts. Leslie goes on to tell the
Speaker 4: story of his mother and grandmother in this chapter, but basically,
Speaker 4: Leslie's mother was unmarried. When she realized she was pregnant,
Speaker 4: she left her home and gave birth to Leslie in
Speaker 4: a Salvation Army home. When she eventually returned home. She
Speaker 4: married Leslie's father. Unfortunately, that marriage was unsuccessful. His mom
Speaker 4: enjoyed the bright lights of town and keeping company with others,
Speaker 4: and his father drank most of his wages and put
Speaker 4: the rest on horses, which never seemed to win. When
Speaker 4: the war broke out in nineteen fourteen, Leslie's father was
Speaker 4: one of the first to enlist, simply to get away
Speaker 4: from what he called the domestic hell he lived in.
Speaker 4: From this time onwards, his mom would go out every
Speaker 4: evening and deposit young Leslie with the wife of a
Speaker 4: local cinema manager. This situation, however, came to an end,
Speaker 4: and when Leslie's mother eloped with one of her many admirers,
Speaker 4: and Leslie reports that she disappeared from my life. He
Speaker 4: was then brought up by his wonderful grandmother, who could
Speaker 4: unfortunately not read or write, and she did her best
Speaker 4: to wash people's clothes to feed that extra mouth that
Speaker 4: she had taken in. In his book, Leslie relates his
Speaker 4: childhood wondering about God in the afterlife. During this period
Speaker 4: of his life, Leslie had the first realization of his
Speaker 4: psychic abilities. He said he saw a soldier who then
Speaker 4: vanished from his eyes, and later he was shown a
Speaker 4: photograph of his uncle who had been killed. He told
Speaker 4: his aunt and grandmother this was the same man he
Speaker 4: had seen in his vision, but unfortunately they didn't want
Speaker 4: to know about it, and they didn't want him to
Speaker 4: talk like this. Shortly after Leslie reached thirteen, he left
Speaker 4: school and worked as a gardener in the local cemetery.
Speaker 4: Leslie also worked as a grave digger, and in that
Speaker 4: time really started questioning life and death. After seeing so
Speaker 4: many people being buried, he saw a notice of a
Speaker 4: church called a Theosophical Society and decided to attend. He says,
Speaker 4: most of the discourse passed right over my devoted head. Nonetheless,
Speaker 4: the speaker mentioned the subject of life after death, but
Speaker 4: warned the audience to avoid spiritualism and the activity of
Speaker 4: communicating with the dead. Leslie was fascinated by such an idea.
Speaker 4: Instead of avoiding the topic, he went out to find
Speaker 4: these spiritualists. Leslie eventually found a spiritualist church and the
Speaker 4: medium was a lady named Missus Johnson. The medium told
Speaker 4: Leslie about his art teacher who had been deceased, who
Speaker 4: was like a father figure to him. She accurately described
Speaker 4: this man, and of course Leslie knew that there's no
Speaker 4: possible way she could have known that. Missus Johnson also
Speaker 4: went into great detail about Leslie's guide and said he
Speaker 4: was Arabian the Arab and as this story unfolds, one
Speaker 4: of the main communicators that works through Leslie Flint is
Speaker 4: an actor named Rudolph Valentino, who unfortunately passed away at
Speaker 4: the age of thirty one, but he was known for
Speaker 4: playing an Arab in the movie The Sheikh, and again,
Speaker 4: Leslie loved the cinema, so he was quite fond of
Speaker 4: this man. Leslie continued to explore different churches and people
Speaker 4: who claimed they could talk to the dead. He found
Speaker 4: the good and he found the bad. He even nicknamed
Speaker 4: people body snatchers. There are people still today in medium demonstrations.
Speaker 4: No matter what the medium says, these people say I
Speaker 4: understand that when they cannot, hoping that they'd get a
Speaker 4: reading as opposed to the person it was meant for.
Speaker 4: He also found con artists and people that were so
Speaker 4: gullible they would take any information they got and believe
Speaker 4: it was their loved one. He continued to explore this
Speaker 4: because when the mediums were good. They were really good.
Speaker 4: He often got these messages from the Arab. This person,
Speaker 4: who supposedly was his guide. One of the mediums invited
Speaker 4: Leslie to come to her home circle, and he agreed
Speaker 4: to do it. Now, back in the day, home circles
Speaker 4: were big. People would get together, sing songs, sit with
Speaker 4: a dim light on, and invite in the presence of
Speaker 4: the spirit world. Sometimes they'd hear voices. Sometimes someone would
Speaker 4: act as the medium. But in this particular evening, there
Speaker 4: was a letter waiting for Leslie from a woman in Munich, Germany,
Speaker 4: another medium who said a gentleman by the name of
Speaker 4: Rudolph Valentino made himself known in her circle and that
Speaker 4: this was Leslie's guide. The message was that Leslie must
Speaker 4: develop his mediumship. He added that he has been trying
Speaker 4: to communicate with Leslie through various mediums, but without success.
Speaker 4: Leslie wondered if Valentino could be the Arab. Leslie continued
Speaker 4: to attend this home circle every time he had been invited,
Speaker 4: and often messages would again come through from someone called Valentino,
Speaker 4: and it was exactly the same message contained from the
Speaker 4: letter from Munich. What caused Leslie to really get involved
Speaker 4: in this training was that he met a widow at
Speaker 4: the cemetery who was grieving so terribly that he wanted
Speaker 4: to help. The more Leslie attended these circles, the more
Speaker 4: he himself became entranced and spirit people began speaking through him,
Speaker 4: and this time one who spoke through him was Valentino.
Speaker 4: If you've been involved with researching the afterlife, you know
Speaker 4: there can be some crazies out there. Scott Milligan tells
Speaker 4: the story of sitting with a medium who fell on
Speaker 4: the floor behaved like a snake, another one making dolphin sounds,
Speaker 4: having nothing to do with the spirit world. Well, the
Speaker 4: woman who led Leslie's circle started to do the same thing,
Speaker 4: moving her body like an octopus. So this was the
Speaker 4: downfall of Leslie attending that circle. He didn't believe what
Speaker 4: he saw happening, and he was asked to leave, and
Speaker 4: when he left he said, I made up my mind
Speaker 4: to have nothing more to do with spiritualism. That didn't
Speaker 4: last long, however, because as he tried to live his life,
Speaker 4: messages would come through his mind from Rudolph Valentino. So
Speaker 4: he began looking for another spiritualist church and eventually found
Speaker 4: another home circle to sit in. During this time, Leslie
Speaker 4: had given up his job in the cemetery, and then
Speaker 4: he took a local job in a cinema, and then, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: he caused the electricity to go out at the cinema,
Speaker 4: so he became unemployed. The cinemas were all silent movies
Speaker 4: back then, by the way. Then he got offered a
Speaker 4: job as a barman, and in his free time he
Speaker 4: enjoyed dancing, but the messages from Valentino continued, so after
Speaker 4: much thought, he returned to his home area in Saint
Speaker 4: Albans and wanted to develop his mediumship, and this time
Speaker 4: he took a job in a tailor's shop. Unfortunately, no
Speaker 4: progress was being made with his mediumship until he met
Speaker 4: a lady named Edith Munden, who was a member of
Speaker 4: a local spiritualist church, who invited him to her home circle.
Speaker 4: Leslie began attending the circle and many weeks passed with
Speaker 4: no obvious development in his mediumship. This was until one
Speaker 4: night when he fell into trance and a number of
Speaker 4: spirit communicators spoke through him, including Edith's late husband. Further
Speaker 4: development occurred for him and he became clairvoyant, which means
Speaker 4: he could see and describe these Next World visitors. You
Speaker 4: know what I love is that each town he went
Speaker 4: to there were spiritualist churches, and that there were people
Speaker 4: who had these home circles. I would really love, in
Speaker 4: this day and age for the home circles to come back.
Speaker 4: Just imagine a group of friends getting together on behalf
Speaker 4: of the spirit world. Voices are known to come through,
Speaker 4: things can appear out of nowhere. Let's go to our
Speaker 4: break and then we'll find out what happens next to
Speaker 4: Medium Leslie Flint. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 4: and we are exploring the unbelievably wonderful mediumship of mister
Speaker 4: Leslie Flint over fifty years a medium. Where we had
Speaker 4: left off as he was sitting in yet another home
Speaker 4: circle developing his mediumship. But Leslie loved to dance. He
Speaker 4: was torn between his desire to become a professional dancer
Speaker 4: or to continue the development of his mediumship. Of course,
Speaker 4: we know what he chose. He soon discovered that he
Speaker 4: made the correct decision, as it was not long before
Speaker 4: Valentino was making himself known at this circle, the voice
Speaker 4: being audible to all that were present at this time.
Speaker 4: Leslie decided he should train himself for public demonstrations. His
Speaker 4: first public demonstration was at a local spiritualist church and
Speaker 4: while he was in trance, it was a success. Edith
Speaker 4: and Leslie then decided that his ability for independent, direct
Speaker 4: voice mediumship should be made available for others and a
Speaker 4: church should be opened where this would be possible. Edith
Speaker 4: and Leslie saved all the money that they could and
Speaker 4: began to advertise services at their Watford Spiritualist mission. This
Speaker 4: church was in fact an unfurnished room with just a
Speaker 4: few dozen chairs. To cover his own living costs, Leslie
Speaker 4: began to give sittings in Edith's house, but was aware
Speaker 4: that more people needed him than could pay, so he
Speaker 4: began an open circle one evening a week at the mission.
Speaker 4: Many of these circles used amazing evidence, one being when
Speaker 4: a local woman who had been murdered communicated and gave
Speaker 4: a good amount of evidence about herself and the circumstances
Speaker 4: of her death. The circle members scanned the local newspapers
Speaker 4: and found that the information she had given was correct.
Speaker 4: A man named Noah Zurdin, one of the founders of
Speaker 4: the Link Association of Home Circles, attended one of Leslie's
Speaker 4: circle meetings and described what proper ethics should be of
Speaker 4: a home circle. When these ethics were followed, the quality
Speaker 4: of the voice improved quickly. Now at this point a
Speaker 4: new phase started in Leslie's mediumship. He found light was
Speaker 4: difficult to work in, and by nature of being in
Speaker 4: a completely blackened room, the voices were stronger. At this
Speaker 4: new location, Leslie's mediumistic work became his full time occupation.
Speaker 4: Now he was doing demonstrations in some of the largest
Speaker 4: halls in London. He said, the voices came and addressed
Speaker 4: friends and relatives in the audience to give their proof
Speaker 4: of continuing existence, and many thousands were given conviction and
Speaker 4: their lives changed for the better. Hundreds of letters were
Speaker 4: now being sent from all over the world to Leslie
Speaker 4: about his mediumship. One was doctor Lewis Young, who had
Speaker 4: been a frequent sitter with his wife. He had tested
Speaker 4: and exposed many fraudulent mediums in America and was anxious
Speaker 4: to prove the genuineness of Leslie's mediumship. Leslie remarked the
Speaker 4: tests he conducted with me made fraud impossible. One of
Speaker 4: these was filling Leslie's mouth with colored water for the
Speaker 4: duration of the seance while the voices manifested themselves and
Speaker 4: spoke to the sitters. In addition to the independent direct
Speaker 4: voice phenomena, Leslie's mediumship was able to facilitate materializations who
Speaker 4: participated in the events of the seance in a dim
Speaker 4: red light. These materializations were quite firm and solid, and
Speaker 4: they could be felt as well as seen. They would
Speaker 4: move around the circle and sometimes they would speak to
Speaker 4: the members. Despite this success, it was discovered that the independent,
Speaker 4: direct voice was more important than the materializations, as they
Speaker 4: were not always successful. One of the many examples of
Speaker 4: Leslie's successes was when Shaw Desmond, an Irish novelist, attended
Speaker 4: a seance. Shaw was accompanied by a woman. Although Leslie
Speaker 4: did not know their names, Shaw's son spoke to his
Speaker 4: father at length, and Valentino spoke with the woman sitter
Speaker 4: and had clearly known her at one time. It later
Speaker 4: transpired that she had indeed known him. As the Second
Speaker 4: World War came into being, Leslie noted that he was
Speaker 4: having problems with his mediumship. He believes it was because
Speaker 4: the atmosphere surrounding the earth was so filled with fear.
Speaker 4: Leslie continued to give sittings, but eventually the time came
Speaker 4: when he had to explain his refusal to fight in
Speaker 4: the war. He explained that he refused to kill, and
Speaker 4: that he was fully aware of Nazism and the struggle
Speaker 4: against evil, that he would gladly assist his country, but
Speaker 4: just that he would not kill. Leslie served in a
Speaker 4: non combatant role during the war, on his first leave,
Speaker 4: he returned home to do a sitting arranged by Edith.
Speaker 4: During this time, an air raid began and many people
Speaker 4: were killed nearby. Leslie recalls Mickey at once returned to
Speaker 4: speak to us. He went on to say that hundreds
Speaker 4: of spirit people were already at the scene of the
Speaker 4: disaster to help the victims over the border between this
Speaker 4: life and the next. After the war finished, regular seances resumed.
Speaker 4: Chief Marshal Lord Doubting was present. During this. Mickey made
Speaker 4: himself known and mentioned a young man wishing to speak.
Speaker 4: He did so and gave his name as Peter Kite.
Speaker 4: He was particularly concerned about his mother, as the distress
Speaker 4: of his death was causing ill health. He then mentioned
Speaker 4: that he knew mister Turner, one of the sitters, and
Speaker 4: told mister Turner that he had visited him for dental work.
Speaker 4: Leslie remarks, none of the other sitters knew mister Turner
Speaker 4: was a dentist, nor did they know his name. Mister
Speaker 4: Turner said he remembered Peter Kite coming to him for treatment,
Speaker 4: but he did not know that he had been killed.
Speaker 4: After he joined the Royal Air Force, the airman's parents
Speaker 4: contacted and invited to a seance. Arthur Conan Doyle, the
Speaker 4: author who wrote Sherlock Holmes, was the first to communicate
Speaker 4: from the afterlife, and took the opportunity to explain to
Speaker 4: the parents what happened to their son, as they had
Speaker 4: no knowledge of the subject. Another example of Leslie's spectacular
Speaker 4: mediumship shortly after the war was when Edgar Grant attended
Speaker 4: a seance and spoke with his wife for some minutes
Speaker 4: in a perfectly ordered and natural manner. After this, he
Speaker 4: recorded that I then felt fingers take my pen and
Speaker 4: notebook from my hand, and heard the pen moving across
Speaker 4: the paper. On examining this, he declared the writing obtained
Speaker 4: at the seance was his wife's normal handwriting when she
Speaker 4: was alive. As time went on, the pressure of public
Speaker 4: demonstrations took a poor effect on Leslie's health. In one article,
Speaker 4: it was recorded how Leslie had collapsed and had to
Speaker 4: be carried away from the platform. In July nineteen fifty.
Speaker 4: Leslie was still able to demonstrate his mediumship, though, and
Speaker 4: at one large public seance he used a specially designed cabinet.
Speaker 4: It was seven feet high and four feet square. The
Speaker 4: cabinet was covered with a tarp and the audience could
Speaker 4: see all that was happening in the area outside. In
Speaker 4: this demonstration, many communicators spoke and convinced their loved ones
Speaker 4: in the audience of their continuing existence. I have a
Speaker 4: special treat for you. Next, we'll hear the words from
Speaker 4: Leslie Flint himself, followed by a spirit person named Ellen Terry,
Speaker 4: and then finally the words from Rudolph Valentino.
Speaker 6: On the other side over the anxious to make this
Speaker 6: road not us only people who wish to contact their
Speaker 6: relations or their famous to comfort those to learn, but
Speaker 6: also people who went on earth for very well known
Speaker 6: famous who feel the need to comfort the world and
Speaker 6: also to get some reality to this life, to make
Speaker 6: us realize that death is not the end and that
Speaker 6: we can do much more in this life to change it.
Speaker 6: If we have the realization that death is the end
Speaker 6: and the communication and a reality and the possibility.
Speaker 11: There is no need to fear the crossing from your
Speaker 11: wor to this. It is a great adventure. It is
Speaker 11: the greater awakening into a greater world of loveliness and
Speaker 11: beauty and freedom of thought. Truly, this is a spiritual world,
Speaker 11: but not as man has depicted it. Indeed, it is
Speaker 11: so different and so tremendously alive, so vital, so far
Speaker 11: removed from man's conception of things, that it cannot be
Speaker 11: depicted or describe, is so vast, so you do not
Speaker 11: fear that it will be a reflection of your world.
Speaker 4: And here's Valentino.
Speaker 12: Love is indestructible. It is love that praises us together.
Speaker 12: It is love that holds us together, and it is
Speaker 12: love that fashions the path which one of us are.
Speaker 12: Paths may be different, but eventually we shall all meet
Speaker 12: in the same place. Each one is so important it
Speaker 12: does no matter.
Speaker 6: What the path is.
Speaker 12: It is what happens to by the end, to be
Speaker 12: able to look back and to know that the path
Speaker 12: you trough it was the right one for you, and
Speaker 12: having though it had done all that you possibly could,
Speaker 12: while all that path was all that was in spited
Speaker 12: of you, And in consequence you have found that heaveness
Speaker 12: of your house seas. And when the time comes for
Speaker 12: you and for all my friends to come here, I
Speaker 12: shall be only too happy to rejoice with you. And
Speaker 12: where we live together in a world, She's so beautiful
Speaker 12: that the words cannot do be to describe it well.
Speaker 12: All the things that matter, all the things that are good, remain,
Speaker 12: all the less saif all the worse the things are
Speaker 12: forgotten and our erase memory.
Speaker 7: Only the good and.
Speaker 12: Allowdliness and the beauty showmen. All these things will come
Speaker 12: in the meantime. Be happy, start to work together with
Speaker 12: love and homy.
Speaker 5: Do what you can love for me but for admanagy.
Speaker 9: Be happy.
Speaker 5: I'd be in homony and love to day, and.
Speaker 3: I should be with you.
Speaker 12: I must gore, but bless.
Speaker 5: You order for everything.
Speaker 4: Be happy and bless you for listening today. Please be
Speaker 4: sure to visit Leslie Flint dot com pick up a
Speaker 4: copy of the book Voices in the Dark, and also,
Speaker 4: I believe this kind of mediumship can happen again. If
Speaker 4: you'd like to learn more about home circles, come visit
Speaker 4: me if we Don't Die dot com click on the
Speaker 4: Scott Milligan page and were created a guide to home
Speaker 4: circles and how you can sit on your own to
Speaker 4: be close to the spirit world. I'm so grateful you
Speaker 4: took the time to listen today. Remember you are never
Speaker 4: alone and you are loved. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you
Speaker 4: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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