1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: podcast network. No, I'll get ready for another episode of 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: your needs. 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 3: Hi. 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 4: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 4: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 4: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife this week. 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 4: Seventy years ago, a runner by the name of Roger 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 4: Banister became the first man to break the four minute 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 4: mile record, which was previously thought impossible. His time was 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 4: three minutes fifty nine point four seconds. It was common 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 4: belief up till then that nobody could beat that record, 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: so nobody ever did. Once Banister beat the record. Then 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 4: it was achievable by so many and the fastest person 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 4: currently alive does it in it three minutes and forty 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: three seconds. When we look at the airplane, those two 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 4: persistent brothers, Orville and Wilbur Wright were the first to 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 4: fly December seventeenth, nineteen oh three, another feat that was 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: previously thought impossible. Much of our economy and our lives 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: are based on air travel. Right where would we be 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: without it? Would you agree right now that our beliefs 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 4: can dictate what is possible in our life lives. Let's 31 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: talk about afterlife communication right now. Beliefs are changing about it, 32 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 4: and I've seen so many people come through our online 33 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: medium classes so effectively giving evidence and messages from loved ones. 34 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: I often share stories with you of those meditating to connect, 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: doing inspired writing, electronic voice phenomena, receiving signs and telepathic 36 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: messages from people in the afterlife trying to connect. Like 37 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: Runner Roger Banister, I think all we need to do 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 4: is hear that one person can do it, and then 39 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: we think, hey, if they can do it, I can 40 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 4: do it. That brings me to our subject today. A 41 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: few weeks ago, I shared a sound clip from a 42 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 4: man named Leslie Flint, who was called an independent direct 43 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: voice medium, so he could bring through voices of deceased 44 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 4: loved ones for people to talk to. These voices were 45 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: independent of Leslie's He was often tested. They would even 46 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: put diye in his mouth and tape his mouth shut, 47 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 4: and these voices would still come out of the darkness 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 4: and people could have a conversation with their loved one. 49 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: Leslie Flint was a man who came from a very 50 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: tough childhood, but made his life about helping people believe 51 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 4: in the afterlife. He never asked for much, he didn't 52 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: get rich, and now there are thousands of recordings of 53 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: conversations people held with their loved ones through his mediumship. 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: My question to you is this, do you think by 55 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: hearing Leslie's story today that it might open up your mind? 56 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: Like can this happen again? And if this kind of 57 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: thing is possible, what else is possible in the world 58 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: of the afterlife. Many people are still living like the 59 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: four minute mile cannot be beat. They live like there's 60 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 4: no evidence of the afterlife. But if you've been listening 61 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: to shades of the afterlife for a while and doing 62 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 4: your own afterlife investigation. You know, the afterlife is real, 63 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 4: that our loved ones are still around and we can 64 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: communicate with them. And this is what I've dedicated my 65 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 4: life to. Leslie Flint's book is titled Voices in the 66 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 4: Dark and you can hear hundreds of these recordings I 67 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 4: mentioned at Leslieflint dot com. I think the best way 68 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 4: to tell you the story of Leslie Flint is to 69 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: read to you his obituary. Leslie Walter Flint Medium born 70 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 4: London nineteen eleven died Hove, West Sussex, sixteenth of April 71 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four. In his heyday, which was before the 72 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 4: war and some twenty five years after it, Leslie Flint 73 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: was one of Britain's best known spiritualists. He possessed the 74 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: rarer distinction of being a direct voice medium. Flint used 75 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: no trumpets or other paraphernalia. Though sitting in total darkness. 76 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: He did his work wide awake, not in a trance. 77 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: Those who flocked to him could engage if conditions were right, 78 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: in fluent conversation with others, family and friends, strangers and 79 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 4: the well known, all of them passed over who manifested 80 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: themselves in space voice only around Flint's solid, if unseen presence, 81 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 4: As he said, a little above my head and slightly 82 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: to one side. The mood was not at all solemn. 83 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: Leslie Flint took his inexplicable gifts sensibly and objectively, sometimes lightheartedly, 84 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: especially when conversing with his familiar, a child named Mickey, 85 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 4: who had been run down in a street accident in 86 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: Camden Town back in the nineteen tens. This perky and 87 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: impertinent boy would engage his master in chit chat and 88 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 4: occasionally turn his sharp tongue on a dozen or so 89 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: guests round the Big Paddington drawing room, or, when Flint's 90 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: health had permitted him to tour earlier decades, packing the churches, 91 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: halls and theaters in hundreds and thousands all over Britain, 92 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 4: the continent of Europe, and in America, the dead became 93 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: a normal part of his world early and enduringly. Aged eight, 94 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: he saw the apparently solid figure of a deceased uncle 95 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: in his granny's kitchen, and around the same time grew 96 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: aware that the voices whispering all around him at the 97 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: cinema in the Silent Era hadn't paid for their admission. 98 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 4: He was by turns a cemetery gardener, a grave digger, 99 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 4: a semi professional dancer, a cinema usher and a barman 100 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: before he found his medium, so to speak, and founded 101 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: a spiritualist circle in Sydney Grove Hendon with the aim 102 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 4: of providing evidence of the continuity of life after physical 103 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: death by the demonstration of his psychic gifts. From that 104 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 4: time in the mid nineteen thirties, Flint took off and 105 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 4: was soon filling the biggest halls in London and answering 106 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: mail bags of letters. He willingly submitted to numerous tests 107 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: to disprove accusations of ventriloquism or other deceptions. In one, 108 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: he held a measured quantity of colored water in his 109 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: mouth throughout a seance. In another, a throat microphone registered 110 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 4: no vibrations from his larynx while the voices continued to talk. 111 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: He allowed anyone who liked to to record his seances. 112 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 4: The famous were no stranger to him. Rudolph Valentino often came. 113 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 4: Others included Leslie Howard, Cosmo Lang, the late Archbishop of Canterbury, 114 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 4: and Queen Victoria. An important calling card for the invitation 115 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: that came to Flint to take tea at Kensington Palace 116 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: with the Queen's daughter, Princess Louise. Unsurprisingly, Flint was a 117 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: conscious objector and served in a non combatant regiment for 118 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: part of the Second World War, and then worked briefly 119 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: in the coal mines. Though he much preferred the sedentary 120 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 4: darkness of his psychic occupation, the famous were vastly outnumbered 121 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: by the spirit voices of the anonymous, ordinary people speaking 122 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: messages of hope, comfort, or occasional clairvoyance to their friends 123 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: and relatives. I attended several sittings. They were always held 124 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: in pitch dark, Flint explaining that he extruded ectoplasm, which 125 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: was formed into the etheric voice box for the dead 126 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 4: to relay their words, and any sudden intrusion of light 127 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: would send it recoiling back into him like a kick 128 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 4: in the midrifft, potentially very dangerous. Mickey came through introducing 129 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: the speakers. Though tolerantly skeptical, I concede that those which 130 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: addressed me claiming acquaintance with a recently deceased parent, answered 131 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: test questions about childhood, family and pets with fluency and accuracy. 132 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 4: They did not seem to need to pause for breaths. 133 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: Flint's heavy breathing was audible, and he sometimes talked over 134 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 4: the voices. No charge beyond tea and biscuits money was 135 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 4: asked for in these group sessions. Leslie Flint presumably made 136 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: a satisfactory living out of private sittings and a book, 137 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 4: Voices in the Dark, that he co authored with Doreen 138 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: Montgomery in nineteen seventy one. With advancing age, bronchitis, and 139 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: other infirmities, his powers became unreliable, the voices faded, and 140 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 4: last month their remarkable conductor himself died quietly by the sea. 141 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 4: I like to think, however, that we have not heard 142 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: the last of him. That was written by Alexander Walker 143 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 4: on the ninth of May nineteen ninety four. While we're 144 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 4: together today, I want to read to you Leslie Flint's 145 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: words so we can get a little bit of an 146 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: idea of who he was and the tough upbringing that 147 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: he went through. In the next segment, however, you're going 148 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: to hear the words from Carl Jackson Barnes. He's the 149 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: curator of the Leslie Flint Trust, that online presence with 150 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: thousands of recordings. We'll hear a few recordings in the 151 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: next segment together, but because the quality of the taping 152 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:16,119 Speaker 4: isn't so great again, these are from the nineteen fifties, sixties, forties, 153 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: that you'll get a taste of those words. And then 154 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: I think it's more important to hear some of these 155 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 4: words from Leslie Flint himself, obviously through me reading them, 156 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: but to open up that conversation. Like I said in 157 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: the beginning, if this was possible once, could this be 158 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 4: possible again? In your spare time, go to Leslieflint dot 159 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: com and you can listen to so many recordings, and 160 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: you can also read the transcripts as you are listening. 161 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: I have right by my side a copy of the 162 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: book Voices in the Dark by Leslie Flint. On the 163 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 4: back cover of the book, Leslie writes, I think I 164 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 4: can safely say I am the most tested medium this 165 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: country has ever produced. I have been boxed up, tied up, 166 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: sealed up, gagged, bound and held, and yet the voices 167 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: still came to speak to their loved ones their message 168 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 4: of eternal life. It also says, Voices in the Dark 169 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: contains quite astounding evidence of survival after death, and it 170 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 4: simply cannot be explained away. No one who reads this 171 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: volume will ever reasonably doubt that the afterlife exists and 172 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: is a reality for all, be they known or unknown. 173 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 4: It is time for our first break, and when we 174 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: get back, you'll hear from Leslie Flint dot Com curator 175 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: Carl Jackson Barnes. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 176 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, a m pirinormal 177 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 4: podcast network. 178 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming 179 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: right up. 180 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Did you know that test that could save your life 181 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: from cancer are now available for little or no cost 182 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: thanks to the healthcare law called the Affordable Care Act. 183 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Let this be the year you get screening tests that 184 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: can detect cancer early when it's most treatable. Don't let 185 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: concerns get in the way. Talk to a doctor or 186 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: other medical professional to learn more about the best cancer 187 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: testing options for you. 188 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 5: The best afterlife information you can get. 189 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 4: Well, you're a long Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain. 190 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 191 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: This is Voices in the Dark, the story of Leslie Flint, 192 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: Carl Jackson Barnes, you'll hear from next. He's studied mediumship 193 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: in the UK for over thirty years. He's the editor 194 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: and publisher of Psychic book Club Publishing and manages the 195 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: Leslie Flint Trust website. So he knows more than anyone. 196 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: Let's hear from him in his own words. 197 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 5: Back in nineteen eighty four, I'd read a book called 198 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 5: Life After Death, which became a bestseller written by UK 199 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: journalists called Neville Randall, and that was about the mediumship 200 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 5: of Leslie Flint. Flint was a physical medium in the 201 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 5: UK who was able to allow spirit people to speak 202 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 5: in their own voices channeled, but they came through a 203 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: spirit made artificial voice box. Now I've got a clip, 204 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 5: an audio clip I'd like to play. I've sent himself 205 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 5: talking very briefly at only a few seconds, where he 206 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,359 Speaker 5: talks about how this communication, this type of mediumship works. 207 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: The voices are quite independent. This has been proven scientifically 208 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: by all men of tests over. 209 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 6: Many many years. 210 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: The voice to speak sometimes at a distance from me, 211 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: sometimes in my vicinity, but the voices themselves are quite 212 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: clear card and separate from me as an individual. I 213 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: have nothing to do with it, and get them quite normal. 214 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: I talk to the voices, and sometimes I'm heard to 215 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: speak at the same time. Sometimes you can hear me coughing, 216 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: because I said, for the chest contains I regret as 217 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: a open cough during a session, and there's opencasts for 218 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: a voicemen. 219 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 5: It's speaking now. That was the voice of the medium himself, 220 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 5: describing how his mediumship works on an old radio show 221 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 5: to Ald about nineteen seventy one. But reading Neville Randall's 222 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: book about Flint's work, I noticed it can transcripts from 223 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: actual recordings. So these were the actual words of dead people. 224 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 5: And in nineteen eighty four, I'm reading this, I'm a teenager, 225 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 5: but it blew my mind. I couldn't believe it. Could 226 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 5: it be real? Could it all be fake? Was this 227 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 5: guy putting the voices on? Did he have friends in 228 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 5: another room and they had equipment and microphones and all 229 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 5: the rest of it. But later on it was actually 230 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight I found the Leslie Flint Trust website, 231 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 5: and this website was full of audio recordings of these 232 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 5: spirit voices. Mister Flint passed away himself in nineteen ninety four. 233 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 5: I never actually got the chance to see him. I 234 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 5: wish I had, because I could have gone. I just 235 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: didn't have the nerve, to be honest, to go and 236 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 5: see him. I didn't think I'd be taken seriously. But 237 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 5: having found this website, I found that there were all 238 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 5: kinds of recordings of all kinds of different people recorded 239 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 5: live talking about how they arrived in the spirit world 240 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 5: or in the afterlife, and how they got on with 241 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 5: their time there and what they did. And it was 242 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 5: so exciting. I began recommending this Flintress website to everybody, 243 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 5: and I bought multiple copies of Neville Randall's book Life 244 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 5: After Death, and I gave copies away to friends and 245 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 5: anyone I thought was interested. I couldn't believe my ears. 246 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 5: I really thought it was amazing. Now I've also got 247 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 5: for you two or three very very short recordings I 248 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 5: have Leslie flint seances. There are only a few seconds each. 249 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 5: He worked, if you like, as a medium for about 250 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 5: sixty years. It was his life, and he had hundreds 251 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 5: of people would visit him. They would travel for miles. 252 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 5: They may have been in London. He was in London, 253 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 5: but they came from the parts of the world, from 254 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 5: the States, from Europe, from Australia, New Zealand all over, 255 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: and they came to see him in the hope that 256 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 5: they could speak to their own loved ones, of. 257 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 4: Course, And let me just ask Carl Leslie was tested, 258 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: wasn't he just to make sure that there is no 259 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: fraud involved and wrong? He was very highly tested. 260 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 5: That's right. Over years, in the first probably twenty years, 261 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 5: he was tested numerous times with the technology that was 262 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 5: a very well at the time. So we're talking about 263 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 5: the nineteen thirties, forties and fifties and on into the seventies. 264 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 5: He had throat microphones, his mouth was taped up, all 265 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 5: kinds of things were tried, and the voices still came. 266 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 5: Now people have said some strange things in that, well, 267 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 5: if the voice isn't coming through his vocal organs through 268 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 5: his throat, it must be coming through his stomach, which 269 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 5: is the most ridiculous thing you could imagine. So the 270 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 5: skeptics or those that were completely baffled by this kind 271 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 5: of mechanism of mediumship were desperately trying to find an alternative. 272 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 5: They were saying he was a ventriloquist. They were saying 273 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 5: there were accomplices. But mister Flint, his mediumship wasn't dependent 274 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 5: on the location. He would be invited to public halls 275 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 5: and he would demonstrate in front of hundreds of people, 276 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 5: or he would be invited to a private home and 277 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 5: he'd arrive and there'd be three or four people there, 278 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 5: and still the spirit voices would come, so location didn't matter. 279 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 5: Leslie Flint had one main regular spirit that would come through. 280 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 5: He called himself Mickey. Mickey was a communicator with hidden depths. 281 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 5: He came across as a cockney Londoner or a London 282 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 5: cockney a youngster, and Micky actually talked about his life 283 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 5: and he said that he was killed about the age 284 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 5: of eleven, around about nineteen ten. He used to sell 285 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 5: newspapers outside one of the London tube stations and he 286 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 5: was killed in a traffic accident. But he became Leslie 287 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 5: Flint's initial speaker. He would always be there before other 288 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 5: communicators would come through. So Micky's often heard on Flint 289 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 5: recordings saying hello, as everybody, We've got somebody here for you. 290 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 5: I'll come back later. But often Micky would speak for 291 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 5: half an hour to an hour about various subjects. He 292 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 5: would address those presents, but the most interesting thing for 293 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 5: me is that whoever was communicating from the spirit world 294 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 5: at a Leslie Flint recording or sitting, mister Flint would 295 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 5: also interact. He'd be involved. He wasn't in a trance, 296 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 5: he wasn't asleep. He would talk with them. He would 297 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 5: listen quietly, because if the communication was a private thing 298 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 5: between the person who had booked the sitting and the 299 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 5: spirit communicator, mister Flint would keep out of it. But 300 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 5: if the opportunity arose, he would laugh at the jokes 301 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 5: and he would get involved in the conversation. So there 302 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 5: was no trance involved. The reality of it is just 303 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 5: too much for some people. I find it amazing and 304 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 5: I still question him years later. But here's a very 305 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 5: short clip of Mickey talking to those in the room 306 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 5: from about nineteen seventy two. 307 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 7: This one all the nice Girls the same was a 308 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 7: night girls rather time dol aguin short. See and you're 309 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 7: seeing ya ya, Yeah, mummy, she loves hudents, just see them. 310 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 7: And she wasn't feeling too good. She sent her sitting 311 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 7: in a chair and sort of singing herself. 312 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 5: That was Mickey, But at that point, towards the end 313 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 5: of that recording, he would then allow in this case, 314 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 5: the gentleman that was speaking his mother in the spirit 315 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 5: world to come through and take over the conversation. So 316 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 5: Micky introduced people, but he would interact with those sitting 317 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 5: there and have a laugh and a joke with them 318 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 5: to hopefully break the ice and help people relax. We 319 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 5: have Mickey as a regular communicator introducing those that come 320 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 5: through later. Now, mister Flint had a lot of other 321 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 5: people's loved ones coming through for communications, but he also 322 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 5: had a lot of well known people coming through. This 323 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 5: very short clip is a voice which is in my estimation, 324 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 5: is nothing like mister Flint's voice at all, and it's 325 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 5: the voice of somebody who passed away in nineteen forty eight, 326 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 5: gentleman called Mahat mcgandhy. Gandhy was killed in nineteen forty eight, 327 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 5: but this recording, I think is from about nineteen sixty two. 328 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 5: I remember rightly the man's happiness. 329 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 8: He's in the knowledge and the realization of the life 330 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 8: that he took up. 331 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 6: The life is that the training ground. 332 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 8: It is about the school in which man hast learned 333 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 8: the lesson which will in sequence give him the opportunity 334 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 8: to inherit the kingdom of living. There is so much 335 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 8: ignorance in your work. So few as students, so few 336 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 8: are prepared to learn, so many as selfishent and foolish news. 337 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 5: To There was an awful lot of philosophical communications came 338 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 5: through as well. Also, remember that because mister Flint was 339 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 5: recording his silences or settings for fifty years, there are 340 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: thousands of them. And there's one more, very brief one 341 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 5: before I talk about what I've been doing recently, that 342 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 5: i'd like you to hear a husband and wife very private. 343 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 5: You've got Leslie Flint in his chair in the room 344 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 5: in his home in London. And then the gentleman that 345 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 5: traveled from Sweden. His home in Sweden came over to 346 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: London to see Flint on a regular basis for about 347 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 5: fifty or sixty occasions, to speak to his wife who 348 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 5: had died previously. This is a lady called Annie Nanjee. 349 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: She was European, a husband was Indian, although they lived 350 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 5: in Sweden. Now Annie's speaking to her husband. 351 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 6: Here we are. 352 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 9: You, and I know that this is not the end 353 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 9: and the end it used to be, and wonderful exist 354 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 9: when I come to you in the flat. 355 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 5: I wish I could do certain. 356 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 8: Things to make you. 357 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 9: See and hear me. 358 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 10: I know you, I know who said that. 359 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 9: I wish you could see with your prime and you 360 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 9: could hear it with your ears when I come and 361 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 9: I try to see me. 362 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 4: When you come here, I can talk with you. And 363 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 4: I wish I could do. 364 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 5: This at all. 365 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 9: That is what I would like, Sue much. 366 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 5: Now, that to me is quite in a way, it 367 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 5: can be quite emotional because if you're listening to it 368 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 5: from the communicators point of view, she's saying, I want 369 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 5: you to see me, I want you to hear me, 370 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 5: but I have to come to a medium like this 371 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 5: for us to communicate. I think I've got about fifty 372 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 5: or sixty recordings of this married couple talking privately, and 373 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 5: they do want us to know that they're around. It's 374 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 5: not a one way thing. They're happy to help us, 375 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 5: they're happy to support us in whatever we do. And 376 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 5: if we're sad, they're sad. And if we're happy, they're happy. 377 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 5: That relationship, that connection never ends. And listening to recordings 378 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 5: like this of what I believe are genuine spirit unicts 379 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 5: talking in this way, it makes it more real. 380 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: I realize that those aren't easy to understand, but I 381 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 4: still wanted you to hear them, just to repeat what 382 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 4: Gandhi said. Man's happiness is in the knowledge and the 383 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 4: realization of the life that is to come. The earth 384 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 4: life is but the training ground. It is the school 385 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: in which man must learn the lesson which will, in 386 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: consequence give him the opportunity to inherit the kingdom of 387 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 4: the Living Father. There is so much ignorance in the world, 388 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 4: so few are students, so few are prepared to learn. 389 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 4: And in the words of Annie Nanji, she said, death 390 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 4: is not the end. It is the beginning of a 391 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 4: greater and more wonderful existence. We'll take our next break now, 392 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 4: and when we come back, I'd like to do some 393 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: reading from the book Voices of the Dark, just to 394 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 4: get a taste of the man Leslie Flint was. We'll 395 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: be right back. 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I'm Sandra Champlain 414 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 4: and this episode is dedicated to Leslie Flint, the incredible 415 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 4: medium who would sit with thousands of people in the dark. 416 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 4: Even though he was able to maintain a conversation, voices 417 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 4: of their loved ones would come in and they'd be 418 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 4: able to speak with them. So I'd like to read 419 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 4: some of his words from the book Voices in the Dark, 420 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 4: and then also tell you his story. I'm reminded that 421 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 4: so many times people have a terrible start in life, 422 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: Awful things happen, and then they go on to do 423 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 4: some pretty great things. So let's start out with some 424 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: words from Leslie in chapter one. In spite of a 425 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 4: childhood that would give any modern child psychiatrist nightmares, I 426 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 4: have reached the age of fifty nine without falling prey 427 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 4: to neurosis, psychosis, or even the screaming mimis. I am 428 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 4: a happy man. I have friends who delight me, hobbies 429 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: to absorb me, and I find satisfaction and fulfillment in 430 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: my work. I do my work by sitting wide awake 431 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: in total darkness with other people. I am a medium. 432 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 4: I have the rare gift known as independent direct voice. 433 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 4: I do not speak in trance. I need no trumpets 434 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: or other paraphernalia. The voices of the dead speak directly 435 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 4: to their friends or relatives, and are located in a 436 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 4: space a little above my head and slightly to one 437 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 4: side of me. They are objective voices which my sitters 438 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: can record on their own tape recorders to play later 439 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 4: in the privacy of their homes. Sometimes those who speak 440 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: from beyond the grave achieve only a whisper, hoarse and strained. 441 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: At other times, they speak clearly and fluently, and voices 442 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: recognizably during their own life, and even after thirty five 443 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 4: years of my mediumship, I do not fully understand what 444 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 4: the conditions which cause the phenomena to vary in this way. 445 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 4: I do know I have learned more about life and 446 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: people and human problems and emotions by sitting in the 447 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: dark than I could have possibly learned in any other way. 448 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: And those who have taught me the most are people 449 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: who dead to this world are living in the next. 450 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 4: It seems to me, after entering my sixtieth year, it 451 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: is time to set down on paper the story of 452 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: my strange talent and the life it has led me. 453 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 4: And where better to begin than the beginning. My mother 454 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: was much too beautiful for her own good. She loved 455 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: pleasure and admiration, so no one in the dingy street 456 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 4: where she lived with her widowed mother was surprised when 457 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 4: she left her job in a local factory and disappeared 458 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: from her usual haunts. Leslie goes on to tell the 459 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: story of his mother and grandmother in this chapter, but basically, 460 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 4: Leslie's mother was unmarried. When she realized she was pregnant, 461 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 4: she left her home and gave birth to Leslie in 462 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 4: a Salvation Army home. When she eventually returned home. She 463 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 4: married Leslie's father. Unfortunately, that marriage was unsuccessful. His mom 464 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 4: enjoyed the bright lights of town and keeping company with others, 465 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: and his father drank most of his wages and put 466 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: the rest on horses, which never seemed to win. When 467 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 4: the war broke out in nineteen fourteen, Leslie's father was 468 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: one of the first to enlist, simply to get away 469 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: from what he called the domestic hell he lived in. 470 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 4: From this time onwards, his mom would go out every 471 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 4: evening and deposit young Leslie with the wife of a 472 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 4: local cinema manager. This situation, however, came to an end, 473 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 4: and when Leslie's mother eloped with one of her many admirers, 474 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 4: and Leslie reports that she disappeared from my life. He 475 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 4: was then brought up by his wonderful grandmother, who could 476 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 4: unfortunately not read or write, and she did her best 477 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 4: to wash people's clothes to feed that extra mouth that 478 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 4: she had taken in. In his book, Leslie relates his 479 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 4: childhood wondering about God in the afterlife. During this period 480 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 4: of his life, Leslie had the first realization of his 481 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 4: psychic abilities. He said he saw a soldier who then 482 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 4: vanished from his eyes, and later he was shown a 483 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 4: photograph of his uncle who had been killed. He told 484 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: his aunt and grandmother this was the same man he 485 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 4: had seen in his vision, but unfortunately they didn't want 486 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 4: to know about it, and they didn't want him to 487 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 4: talk like this. Shortly after Leslie reached thirteen, he left 488 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 4: school and worked as a gardener in the local cemetery. 489 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 4: Leslie also worked as a grave digger, and in that 490 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 4: time really started questioning life and death. After seeing so 491 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 4: many people being buried, he saw a notice of a 492 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: church called a Theosophical Society and decided to attend. He says, 493 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: most of the discourse passed right over my devoted head. Nonetheless, 494 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 4: the speaker mentioned the subject of life after death, but 495 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 4: warned the audience to avoid spiritualism and the activity of 496 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 4: communicating with the dead. Leslie was fascinated by such an idea. 497 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: Instead of avoiding the topic, he went out to find 498 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 4: these spiritualists. Leslie eventually found a spiritualist church and the 499 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 4: medium was a lady named Missus Johnson. The medium told 500 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 4: Leslie about his art teacher who had been deceased, who 501 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 4: was like a father figure to him. She accurately described 502 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 4: this man, and of course Leslie knew that there's no 503 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: possible way she could have known that. Missus Johnson also 504 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 4: went into great detail about Leslie's guide and said he 505 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 4: was Arabian the Arab and as this story unfolds, one 506 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 4: of the main communicators that works through Leslie Flint is 507 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 4: an actor named Rudolph Valentino, who unfortunately passed away at 508 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 4: the age of thirty one, but he was known for 509 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 4: playing an Arab in the movie The Sheikh, and again, 510 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 4: Leslie loved the cinema, so he was quite fond of 511 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 4: this man. Leslie continued to explore different churches and people 512 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 4: who claimed they could talk to the dead. He found 513 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 4: the good and he found the bad. He even nicknamed 514 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 4: people body snatchers. There are people still today in medium demonstrations. 515 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 4: No matter what the medium says, these people say I 516 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 4: understand that when they cannot, hoping that they'd get a 517 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 4: reading as opposed to the person it was meant for. 518 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 4: He also found con artists and people that were so 519 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 4: gullible they would take any information they got and believe 520 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 4: it was their loved one. He continued to explore this 521 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 4: because when the mediums were good. They were really good. 522 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 4: He often got these messages from the Arab. This person, 523 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: who supposedly was his guide. One of the mediums invited 524 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 4: Leslie to come to her home circle, and he agreed 525 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 4: to do it. Now, back in the day, home circles 526 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 4: were big. People would get together, sing songs, sit with 527 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 4: a dim light on, and invite in the presence of 528 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 4: the spirit world. Sometimes they'd hear voices. Sometimes someone would 529 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 4: act as the medium. But in this particular evening, there 530 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 4: was a letter waiting for Leslie from a woman in Munich, Germany, 531 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: another medium who said a gentleman by the name of 532 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 4: Rudolph Valentino made himself known in her circle and that 533 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 4: this was Leslie's guide. The message was that Leslie must 534 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 4: develop his mediumship. He added that he has been trying 535 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 4: to communicate with Leslie through various mediums, but without success. 536 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 4: Leslie wondered if Valentino could be the Arab. Leslie continued 537 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 4: to attend this home circle every time he had been invited, 538 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 4: and often messages would again come through from someone called Valentino, 539 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 4: and it was exactly the same message contained from the 540 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 4: letter from Munich. What caused Leslie to really get involved 541 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 4: in this training was that he met a widow at 542 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 4: the cemetery who was grieving so terribly that he wanted 543 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 4: to help. The more Leslie attended these circles, the more 544 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 4: he himself became entranced and spirit people began speaking through him, 545 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 4: and this time one who spoke through him was Valentino. 546 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 4: If you've been involved with researching the afterlife, you know 547 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 4: there can be some crazies out there. Scott Milligan tells 548 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 4: the story of sitting with a medium who fell on 549 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 4: the floor behaved like a snake, another one making dolphin sounds, 550 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 4: having nothing to do with the spirit world. Well, the 551 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 4: woman who led Leslie's circle started to do the same thing, 552 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 4: moving her body like an octopus. So this was the 553 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 4: downfall of Leslie attending that circle. He didn't believe what 554 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 4: he saw happening, and he was asked to leave, and 555 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 4: when he left he said, I made up my mind 556 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 4: to have nothing more to do with spiritualism. That didn't 557 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 4: last long, however, because as he tried to live his life, 558 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 4: messages would come through his mind from Rudolph Valentino. So 559 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 4: he began looking for another spiritualist church and eventually found 560 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 4: another home circle to sit in. During this time, Leslie 561 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 4: had given up his job in the cemetery, and then 562 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 4: he took a local job in a cinema, and then, unfortunately, 563 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 4: he caused the electricity to go out at the cinema, 564 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 4: so he became unemployed. The cinemas were all silent movies 565 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 4: back then, by the way. Then he got offered a 566 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 4: job as a barman, and in his free time he 567 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 4: enjoyed dancing, but the messages from Valentino continued, so after 568 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 4: much thought, he returned to his home area in Saint 569 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 4: Albans and wanted to develop his mediumship, and this time 570 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 4: he took a job in a tailor's shop. Unfortunately, no 571 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 4: progress was being made with his mediumship until he met 572 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 4: a lady named Edith Munden, who was a member of 573 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 4: a local spiritualist church, who invited him to her home circle. 574 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 4: Leslie began attending the circle and many weeks passed with 575 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 4: no obvious development in his mediumship. This was until one 576 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 4: night when he fell into trance and a number of 577 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 4: spirit communicators spoke through him, including Edith's late husband. Further 578 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 4: development occurred for him and he became clairvoyant, which means 579 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 4: he could see and describe these Next World visitors. You 580 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 4: know what I love is that each town he went 581 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 4: to there were spiritualist churches, and that there were people 582 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 4: who had these home circles. I would really love, in 583 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 4: this day and age for the home circles to come back. 584 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 4: Just imagine a group of friends getting together on behalf 585 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 4: of the spirit world. Voices are known to come through, 586 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 4: things can appear out of nowhere. Let's go to our 587 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 4: break and then we'll find out what happens next to 588 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: Medium Leslie Flint. 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Coast to COASTAM 599 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 4: dot com is where you want to be. 600 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 10: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren, 601 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 10: and you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 602 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 10: AM Paranormal podcast work. 603 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 604 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 4: and we are exploring the unbelievably wonderful mediumship of mister 605 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 4: Leslie Flint over fifty years a medium. Where we had 606 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 4: left off as he was sitting in yet another home 607 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 4: circle developing his mediumship. But Leslie loved to dance. He 608 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 4: was torn between his desire to become a professional dancer 609 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 4: or to continue the development of his mediumship. Of course, 610 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 4: we know what he chose. He soon discovered that he 611 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 4: made the correct decision, as it was not long before 612 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 4: Valentino was making himself known at this circle, the voice 613 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 4: being audible to all that were present at this time. 614 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 4: Leslie decided he should train himself for public demonstrations. His 615 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 4: first public demonstration was at a local spiritualist church and 616 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 4: while he was in trance, it was a success. Edith 617 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 4: and Leslie then decided that his ability for independent, direct 618 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 4: voice mediumship should be made available for others and a 619 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 4: church should be opened where this would be possible. Edith 620 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 4: and Leslie saved all the money that they could and 621 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 4: began to advertise services at their Watford Spiritualist mission. This 622 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 4: church was in fact an unfurnished room with just a 623 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 4: few dozen chairs. To cover his own living costs, Leslie 624 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 4: began to give sittings in Edith's house, but was aware 625 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 4: that more people needed him than could pay, so he 626 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 4: began an open circle one evening a week at the mission. 627 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 4: Many of these circles used amazing evidence, one being when 628 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 4: a local woman who had been murdered communicated and gave 629 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 4: a good amount of evidence about herself and the circumstances 630 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 4: of her death. The circle members scanned the local newspapers 631 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 4: and found that the information she had given was correct. 632 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 4: A man named Noah Zurdin, one of the founders of 633 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 4: the Link Association of Home Circles, attended one of Leslie's 634 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 4: circle meetings and described what proper ethics should be of 635 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 4: a home circle. When these ethics were followed, the quality 636 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 4: of the voice improved quickly. Now at this point a 637 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 4: new phase started in Leslie's mediumship. He found light was 638 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 4: difficult to work in, and by nature of being in 639 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 4: a completely blackened room, the voices were stronger. At this 640 00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 4: new location, Leslie's mediumistic work became his full time occupation. 641 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 4: Now he was doing demonstrations in some of the largest 642 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 4: halls in London. He said, the voices came and addressed 643 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 4: friends and relatives in the audience to give their proof 644 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 4: of continuing existence, and many thousands were given conviction and 645 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 4: their lives changed for the better. Hundreds of letters were 646 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 4: now being sent from all over the world to Leslie 647 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 4: about his mediumship. One was doctor Lewis Young, who had 648 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 4: been a frequent sitter with his wife. He had tested 649 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 4: and exposed many fraudulent mediums in America and was anxious 650 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 4: to prove the genuineness of Leslie's mediumship. Leslie remarked the 651 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 4: tests he conducted with me made fraud impossible. One of 652 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 4: these was filling Leslie's mouth with colored water for the 653 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 4: duration of the seance while the voices manifested themselves and 654 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 4: spoke to the sitters. In addition to the independent direct 655 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 4: voice phenomena, Leslie's mediumship was able to facilitate materializations who 656 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 4: participated in the events of the seance in a dim 657 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 4: red light. These materializations were quite firm and solid, and 658 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 4: they could be felt as well as seen. They would 659 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 4: move around the circle and sometimes they would speak to 660 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 4: the members. Despite this success, it was discovered that the independent, 661 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 4: direct voice was more important than the materializations, as they 662 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 4: were not always successful. One of the many examples of 663 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 4: Leslie's successes was when Shaw Desmond, an Irish novelist, attended 664 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 4: a seance. Shaw was accompanied by a woman. Although Leslie 665 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 4: did not know their names, Shaw's son spoke to his 666 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 4: father at length, and Valentino spoke with the woman sitter 667 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 4: and had clearly known her at one time. It later 668 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 4: transpired that she had indeed known him. As the Second 669 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 4: World War came into being, Leslie noted that he was 670 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 4: having problems with his mediumship. He believes it was because 671 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 4: the atmosphere surrounding the earth was so filled with fear. 672 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 4: Leslie continued to give sittings, but eventually the time came 673 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,800 Speaker 4: when he had to explain his refusal to fight in 674 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 4: the war. He explained that he refused to kill, and 675 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 4: that he was fully aware of Nazism and the struggle 676 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 4: against evil, that he would gladly assist his country, but 677 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 4: just that he would not kill. Leslie served in a 678 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 4: non combatant role during the war, on his first leave, 679 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 4: he returned home to do a sitting arranged by Edith. 680 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 4: During this time, an air raid began and many people 681 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 4: were killed nearby. Leslie recalls Mickey at once returned to 682 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 4: speak to us. He went on to say that hundreds 683 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 4: of spirit people were already at the scene of the 684 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 4: disaster to help the victims over the border between this 685 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 4: life and the next. After the war finished, regular seances resumed. 686 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 4: Chief Marshal Lord Doubting was present. During this. Mickey made 687 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 4: himself known and mentioned a young man wishing to speak. 688 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 4: He did so and gave his name as Peter Kite. 689 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 4: He was particularly concerned about his mother, as the distress 690 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 4: of his death was causing ill health. He then mentioned 691 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 4: that he knew mister Turner, one of the sitters, and 692 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 4: told mister Turner that he had visited him for dental work. 693 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 4: Leslie remarks, none of the other sitters knew mister Turner 694 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 4: was a dentist, nor did they know his name. Mister 695 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 4: Turner said he remembered Peter Kite coming to him for treatment, 696 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 4: but he did not know that he had been killed. 697 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 4: After he joined the Royal Air Force, the airman's parents 698 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 4: contacted and invited to a seance. Arthur Conan Doyle, the 699 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 4: author who wrote Sherlock Holmes, was the first to communicate 700 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 4: from the afterlife, and took the opportunity to explain to 701 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 4: the parents what happened to their son, as they had 702 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 4: no knowledge of the subject. Another example of Leslie's spectacular 703 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 4: mediumship shortly after the war was when Edgar Grant attended 704 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 4: a seance and spoke with his wife for some minutes 705 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 4: in a perfectly ordered and natural manner. After this, he 706 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 4: recorded that I then felt fingers take my pen and 707 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 4: notebook from my hand, and heard the pen moving across 708 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,280 Speaker 4: the paper. On examining this, he declared the writing obtained 709 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 4: at the seance was his wife's normal handwriting when she 710 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 4: was alive. As time went on, the pressure of public 711 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,919 Speaker 4: demonstrations took a poor effect on Leslie's health. In one article, 712 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 4: it was recorded how Leslie had collapsed and had to 713 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 4: be carried away from the platform. In July nineteen fifty. 714 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 4: Leslie was still able to demonstrate his mediumship, though, and 715 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 4: at one large public seance he used a specially designed cabinet. 716 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 4: It was seven feet high and four feet square. The 717 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 4: cabinet was covered with a tarp and the audience could 718 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 4: see all that was happening in the area outside. In 719 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 4: this demonstration, many communicators spoke and convinced their loved ones 720 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 4: in the audience of their continuing existence. I have a 721 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 4: special treat for you. Next, we'll hear the words from 722 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 4: Leslie Flint himself, followed by a spirit person named Ellen Terry, 723 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,680 Speaker 4: and then finally the words from Rudolph Valentino. 724 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 6: On the other side over the anxious to make this 725 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 6: road not us only people who wish to contact their 726 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 6: relations or their famous to comfort those to learn, but 727 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 6: also people who went on earth for very well known 728 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,719 Speaker 6: famous who feel the need to comfort the world and 729 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 6: also to get some reality to this life, to make 730 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 6: us realize that death is not the end and that 731 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 6: we can do much more in this life to change it. 732 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 6: If we have the realization that death is the end 733 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 6: and the communication and a reality and the possibility. 734 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 11: There is no need to fear the crossing from your 735 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 11: wor to this. It is a great adventure. It is 736 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 11: the greater awakening into a greater world of loveliness and 737 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 11: beauty and freedom of thought. Truly, this is a spiritual world, 738 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 11: but not as man has depicted it. Indeed, it is 739 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 11: so different and so tremendously alive, so vital, so far 740 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 11: removed from man's conception of things, that it cannot be 741 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 11: depicted or describe, is so vast, so you do not 742 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,800 Speaker 11: fear that it will be a reflection of your world. 743 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 4: And here's Valentino. 744 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,359 Speaker 12: Love is indestructible. It is love that praises us together. 745 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 12: It is love that holds us together, and it is 746 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 12: love that fashions the path which one of us are. 747 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 12: Paths may be different, but eventually we shall all meet 748 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 12: in the same place. Each one is so important it 749 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 12: does no matter. 750 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,120 Speaker 6: What the path is. 751 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 12: It is what happens to by the end, to be 752 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 12: able to look back and to know that the path 753 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 12: you trough it was the right one for you, and 754 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,439 Speaker 12: having though it had done all that you possibly could, 755 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,760 Speaker 12: while all that path was all that was in spited 756 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 12: of you, And in consequence you have found that heaveness 757 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 12: of your house seas. And when the time comes for 758 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 12: you and for all my friends to come here, I 759 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 12: shall be only too happy to rejoice with you. And 760 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 12: where we live together in a world, She's so beautiful 761 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 12: that the words cannot do be to describe it well. 762 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,280 Speaker 12: All the things that matter, all the things that are good, remain, 763 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 12: all the less saif all the worse the things are 764 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 12: forgotten and our erase memory. 765 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 7: Only the good and. 766 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 12: Allowdliness and the beauty showmen. All these things will come 767 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 12: in the meantime. Be happy, start to work together with 768 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 12: love and homy. 769 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 5: Do what you can love for me but for admanagy. 770 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,040 Speaker 9: Be happy. 771 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 5: I'd be in homony and love to day, and. 772 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 3: I should be with you. 773 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 12: I must gore, but bless. 774 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 5: You order for everything. 775 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,279 Speaker 4: Be happy and bless you for listening today. Please be 776 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 4: sure to visit Leslie Flint dot com pick up a 777 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 4: copy of the book Voices in the Dark, and also, 778 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,839 Speaker 4: I believe this kind of mediumship can happen again. If 779 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 4: you'd like to learn more about home circles, come visit 780 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 4: me if we Don't Die dot com click on the 781 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 4: Scott Milligan page and were created a guide to home 782 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 4: circles and how you can sit on your own to 783 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 4: be close to the spirit world. I'm so grateful you 784 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 4: took the time to listen today. Remember you are never 785 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 4: alone and you are loved. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you 786 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 4: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 787 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 788 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: And if you liked this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 789 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 790 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,800 Speaker 1: listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 791 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 1: Podcast Network.