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Speaker 1: it after you did the pure latter that the problem happened? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's I mean, I don't want to point

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Speaker 1: But it talks in detail about issues with aftermarket oil filters,

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Speaker 1: I'm running, Anian, what's make you? Oh no, Mike Kia,

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Speaker 1: week we can talk further. I appreciate it, Danny. You

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Speaker 1: be back right after this. Welcome back. We don't eating

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Speaker 1: say that the Bronx thirteen Chevy and Palla and some

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Speaker 1: can I help hery Ron, It's a pleasure to talk

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Speaker 1: this somewhere in the middle of the road, right half

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00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: a tank, two thirds of a tank, that kind of thing. Okay,

425
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: I gave it. I gave it to him with three

426
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: quarters of a tank, and he gave it back to

427
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: me with a quarter of a tank. Okay, you know

428
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: he raided himself, got you. So then the next thing

429
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: I would want to do is, has he mentioned anything

430
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: about mode six to you? All right? So mode six?

431
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: You ever wonder how a computer knows when to set

432
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 1: a code? It's it's running tests all the time, all right.

433
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: It's it's like in high school, man, those test guts

434
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: keep coming. I can't believe it, and you know, like God,

435
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here, I want to go

436
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: back to lunch. So you know it's running, it's running tests. Basically,

437
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: the computer is checking its individual circuits, systems and sensors

438
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: and it's recording them, and it records them in the

439
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: area of its memory called we refer to what is

440
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: mode six. I'm sure the engineers call it something else.

441
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: And there are scan tools and there are methods that

442
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: will allow you to go into mode six. And you know,

443
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: look at the EVAPP section, all right, if the EVAP

444
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: monitor is not running, for example, for conversation's sake, there's

445
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: seven different tests of mode six in the EVAPP emission section.

446
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: What are those seven tests doing? Because I guarantee you

447
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: if it's the EVAPP emission monitor not running, the completion

448
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: one of those tests might be holding it up. Now

449
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: it could also be and again now I'm assuming because

450
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: we don't really know what monitor we're chasing, it could

451
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: also be the O two censor heat or circuit isn't

452
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: working properly and until the car season OH two heater work,

453
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: it may not set the EVAP monitor to completion. So

454
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: the point becomes, and your takeaway from this is go

455
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: back to the mechanic. You know, the the other guy,

456
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: the the second guy, and ask him, and I'm sure

457
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: he does. Does he have a scan tool that will

458
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: read mode six? And and can he go in and

459
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: look at the self test language and say, hey, you

460
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: know which, who's the bad egg in the bunch here?

461
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: All right? All right, this is just like high school again.

462
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: Remember in high school they took the class average, and

463
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: that's how they graded on the curve. Well, somebody in

464
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: the back room is cheating, and they're screwing up the curve.

465
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: They're kind of throwing it off, throwing it off, all right,

466
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: And and and computers are very judgmental. They won't let

467
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: anything happen until everybody's playing at the same level and

468
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: doing their job. All right, Assuming he goes in mode

469
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: six and finds out what the problem is, sure, absolutely absolutely,

470
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: it's it's just we don't know why it hasn't run

471
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: the monitor yet. Now we have to go and look

472
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: at this, says, Okay, it won't run a self test

473
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: by your own admission, you can't tell me. And I'm

474
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: not blaming you. I'm just saying, you know, if you

475
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: could tell me, hey, Ron, it won't run the EVAP monitor. Okay,

476
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: let's talk about this, it won't run the O two monitor. Okay,

477
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. You know, it would help to

478
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: know what those six or eight different tests are. And

479
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: once we know that and we know which one is

480
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: not running, then we could go into modes six and

481
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: look at you know, misfire section or evap section or

482
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: OH two section in mode six has gotten to be

483
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: very good. It's it's, it's, it's it's very much a roadmap.

484
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: When we first started fooling around with modes six is

485
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: mechanics back in the early two thousands, two thousand two,

486
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: two thousand three, two thousand four, it was a very

487
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: long winded, like this monologue is conversation of engine diagnostics.

488
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's very easy. Uh, it's much easier um

489
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: to look at. So go back talk to him. I

490
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: know you're talking about He's a good guy. I'll figure

491
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: it out. But mentioned about six to him. Sometimes everybody

492
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: needs a little bit of a jump start myself included.

493
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: See what that does for you and call me back

494
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: next week if you need more. All right, sir, you're

495
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: very welcome, and you take good care. I'm ronding in

496
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: the car. Doctor. We are back right after this. Don't

497
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: go away for the best in car advice. Give Ron

498
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: a call eight by five five zero nine nine zero zero.

499
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: Now back to Ron. Hey, let's get over talk to

500
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: Joe and North Carolina Third Team Buick Regal. Joe, Welcome

501
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: to the Car Doctor. How can I help? Thank you

502
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: very much, really enjoy your show for quite a long time.

503
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I've got a thirteen Buick Regal Turbo,

504
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: so it's starting to give me a little bit of

505
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: grief here. Um the radio. The other day, I plugged

506
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: in my pen drive and also iPhone, and I usually

507
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: poddle back and forth the radios or whatever. And I

508
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 1: got in the car after rehearsal one night and nothing

509
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: came out, and I was like, okay, something's wrong here. Uh.

510
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: The dashboard lit up, the GPS lit up, but I

511
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: had no audio at all. So I started a MFM.

512
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: All the rest of it nothing. Well. I took it home.

513
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I figured, okay, could be a fuse. So I popped

514
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: out the fuse on that put it back in and

515
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: the radio there was no data on the screen at

516
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: that point. Um, I was concerned. I started looking things

517
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: up and I went to GM, dropped the car off

518
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: over there, and they said, oh, well it's going to

519
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: be a amplifier is your problem, and it needs to

520
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: be reprogrammed. Well I got the car back and the

521
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: screen is now lit up again, but I still have

522
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: no audio. Did they did they? Did they talk anything

523
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: about the seven or eight bulletins that are out there

524
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: to talk about I guess not by your reaction. Um,

525
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: there's there's more than a few bulletins out there. Um,

526
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: there's one that I believe it's it's ten eight six.

527
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: Well I know it's ten eight six E, but I

528
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: think it started out as ten s A. So there's

529
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: like six generations of that that talk specifically about uh,

530
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, unexpected loss of radio audio, no sound, bluetooth issues,

531
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: starting the most recent one E. I believe it's uh

532
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: P I, which is uh c P I double O

533
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: eight six E, and I know it is eighty six.

534
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: I've seen it as far back as eight six A. Um,

535
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: there's there's research documents and other things internal and GM

536
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: talking about issues with and as a result of software

537
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: and the components themselves. Um did they talk to you

538
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: about any of that? No? Not really, we haven't had

539
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: a deep conversation about this, so only because this is

540
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: another recurrence and it's getting me annoyed with this car now, right, Well,

541
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: you know what, it's not the car's fault at this point. Now,

542
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: it's the mechanics fault. He's got to communicate to you.

543
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: You know what's really going on here. Go back and

544
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: tell them to look at Tell them to look at

545
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: GM internal. I'll give you two document numbers. It's either

546
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: GM internal document number and this is in reference in

547
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: the GM database three four five sixty ninety. And that'll

548
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: bring them to That'll bring them to p I double

549
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: O eight six Edward and it talks about unexpected loss

550
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: of radio audio dated May of and it goes on

551
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: to explain different procedures and different methods of what to

552
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: look for and how to resolve. But you know, I

553
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: always look at software. I always look at bulletins. There

554
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: are more than six, maybe seven bulletins that I'm aware

555
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: of at the top of my head, regarding loss of

556
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: audio in those particular cars, and that's where I would

557
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: look first before I looked anywhere else. All Right, So

558
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: you go do that. Let me back next week, let

559
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: me know what they say, and we can talk further

560
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: about it. Good luck to you. You're very welcome, sir.

561
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: Keep me posted, Yes, sir, Uzo Nino zero ran any

562
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor coming back right after this. Hey

563
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: Nan the car Doctor. Let's kind of wind it out

564
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: here with Phil and Detroit Oh seven panty at Graham Prix. Phil,

565
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. When you got real

566
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: quick three eight bron uh Grand Prix Miles very exhaust

567
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: manifold to the catalytic converter pipe flex joint in there

568
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: has cracked. Now I'm looking online. I see there's an

569
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: aftermarket repair kit. Have you had any experience with these things? Yeah,

570
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Bill, That's only as good as

571
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: that's only as good as the guy welding it, all right,

572
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: And it also depends on how clean that pipe is.

573
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's your car, so it's probably pretty spotless.

574
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not out in all kinds of terrible

575
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: weather or is it? Um? You know it. If you

576
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: can get the pipe down, scrub everything and clean it,

577
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: if you could weld it off the vehicle, it would

578
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: be wonderful. It would be a lot better for you. Um,

579
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: as long as the guy welding it can do a

580
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: decent job. There are multiple resources out there, and I

581
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: would probably look a little bit beyond the normal automotive

582
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: parts house type of joint coupling repair. I would probably

583
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: talk to maybe some of the guys in the exhaust

584
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: specialty shops as well as some of the other places.

585
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: Here's the downside, here's what you have to think about,

586
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: all right, how many miles are on the car? Okay?

587
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: So at what point? And I'm not saying it will

588
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: happen tomorrow, but the the only thing I always explained

589
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: everybody is in the shop is if we fix the

590
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: flex coupling, all right, if we if you were to

591
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: fix that, you know, for the effort and work that

592
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: you go through to do that, what would you do

593
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: in three months if the you know, it's set the

594
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: dreaded P zero cat coaches, right, and now what do

595
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: you do? Um? The other thing you got to think

596
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: about is, and I know how much you love this car,

597
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: all right, it's a No. Seven Pontiac. You know, if

598
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: you could still get an Oe Cat out of GM

599
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: today and and and you can't in three months for

600
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: some reason, you know, right you're you're you're gonna feel terrible.

601
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: So I think the answer becomes Yes, you can get

602
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: a flex coupling to go on there and it'll work,

603
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: but it doesn't resolve or take care of the other

604
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: potential issue. So you know it one seventy five, that

605
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: car still got a ways to go with the maintenance.

606
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're giving it. You know, how much is

607
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: the cat out of GM seven eight hundred bucks? A

608
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: thousand bucks? Yeah, right, eight hundred bucks. So let's buy

609
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: the flex coupling kit. What's that to fifty Actually it's

610
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: only like fifty bucks round. It's out of Minnesota. I

611
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: don't know if it's made in China. You know, I

612
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: don't know what. Well, right, and then you've still got

613
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: to get it well that maybe you're in a well

614
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: that yourself, you've got a well to take it on,

615
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: take it off, and you know, like I said, three

616
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: months later, the cat code, the infamous cat code comes off.

617
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's what do you do? It's sort

618
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: of like, you know what, always think of a repair

619
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: as a system. And I know you know this, but

620
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: for everyone else, always think of a repair as a system.

621
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: You're working on the exhaust system. You're gonna take that down,

622
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: fix the flex coupling you get a CAT code. Forewarned

623
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: is forearmed. If you put a CAT on it, you've

624
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: eliminated the problem, and you've saved yourself some future grief

625
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: and aggravation and to continue enjoy driving that car. Bill,

626
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. I'm not anating the car doct

627
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: until the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

628
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I'll see you