Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with the reincarnation. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with the reincarnation.
Speaker 1: My name is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a bed post and I love film. As
Speaker 1: Robin S. Sharma once said, don't live the same year
Speaker 1: seventy five times and call it a life. I will
Speaker 1: make an exception for watching Maupet Christmas Carol every Christmas
Speaker 1: Eve for seventy five years. Then you're absolutely smashing it
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Every week I'm invite a special guest over. I tell
Speaker 1: them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their
Speaker 1: life through the films that meant the most of them.
Speaker 1: Previous guests include Ped Plambles, Jed Lambles, and even Mary mccampbell's.
Speaker 1: But this week is different. It's episode three hundred. We
Speaker 1: did It, Joe, So to celebrate this milestone in all
Speaker 1: of our lives, as is now tradition, every one hundred episodes,
Speaker 1: I am returning to my very first guest, the Genie himself.
Speaker 1: The Ghostbuster is mister James Acaster. He's been resurrected, He's
Speaker 1: been through his judgment day, and now for his fourth appearance,
Speaker 1: he will experience for the very first time, the Reincarnation.
Speaker 1: Check out the Patreon over at patreon dot com, forward slashback, Goldsting,
Speaker 1: where you get extra twenty minutes with James. He tells
Speaker 1: the secret, we talk about music, we talk about his
Speaker 1: sitcom spring Leaf, and many more things. You get all
Speaker 1: of that, plus the episode uncut Adfrey, and there's a video.
Speaker 1: Check it out over at patreon dot com, Forward slashbreack, Goldsteam.
Speaker 1: James Acaster is a genie, a podcaster, a rapper, a musician,
Speaker 1: a stand up an actor, a ghostbuster, and an author.
Speaker 1: I was delighted to have him back for the three
Speaker 1: hundredth episode. We recorded this last week Agazoom. He was
Speaker 1: as brilliant as ever. You're going to love it. That
Speaker 1: is it for now. Thank you for listening this far.
Speaker 1: I very much hope you enjoy episode three hundred. Can
Speaker 1: you believe it? Of Films to be Buried with the Reincarnation? Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried with the Reincarnation.
Speaker 1: It is I Brett Goldstein and I am joined today
Speaker 1: for the fourth time for a very special episode three hundred.
Speaker 1: He's a writer. He's a comedian. He loves hecklers. He's
Speaker 1: a stand up. He's a genie. He's a movie star.
Speaker 1: He's a ghostbuster. He's a tora. He's a lover. He's
Speaker 1: a guy. He's a genie in a bottle and sometimes
Speaker 1: he's out. He likes food. God, he really likes food,
Speaker 1: and boy does he want you to know about it.
Speaker 1: He's here, he's alive. I'm delighted to see him. You
Speaker 1: are too, He's back for good. Please welcome. Everyone's hero.
Speaker 1: It's mister j Vecas. There how many?
Speaker 2: This is our fourth one? Yeah? What were the other
Speaker 2: ones called? If we're not done the incarnation yet, this
Speaker 2: is the first reincarnation.
Speaker 1: Basically, it goes films to be buried with, then it's
Speaker 1: films to be beared with the Resurrection, Then it's films
Speaker 1: to be buried with Judgment Day, and now it's films
Speaker 1: to be buried with the Reincarnation.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this, James. It's is tradition in
Speaker 1: our show that every hundred episodes you come back. It's
Speaker 1: so nice to see you. I haven't seen you in ages.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the big news that has happened
Speaker 1: since we last saw you.
Speaker 2: Well, first, let's talk about oh, come on, how every
Speaker 2: episode has been slightly different. So episode one, Yeah, me
Speaker 2: and you in your kitchen, face to face. The second
Speaker 2: one we did episode one hundred. It's over Zoom, but
Speaker 2: very much the same vibes. Yeah, you and your house.
Speaker 2: Yeah we're having a laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Episode two hundred, we're still over Zoom, but you're in
Speaker 2: a hotel. All the curtains of drawn so people can't
Speaker 2: see you and your midway filming. Yeah, your hit TV show.
Speaker 2: We're all very proud of you. But every time I
Speaker 2: go off on a rant about a film that I
Speaker 2: don't like, you look at me and don't say the
Speaker 2: thing because you don't want to burn your bridges because
Speaker 2: things have changed. This episode one hundred, here we are.
Speaker 2: Episode three hundred. Your assistant contacted me to do this,
Speaker 2: and your background's blurred on zoom.
Speaker 1: We've come a long way. We've come a long way.
Speaker 1: Well on your side of this.
Speaker 2: Episode four hundred, your face is going to be blurred out,
Speaker 2: your voice of being pitched.
Speaker 1: Now and I'll be like, hello, I am speaking to
Speaker 1: you from an undisclosed location. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: What films do you like?
Speaker 1: Well, you can say all this, but you know, last
Speaker 1: time we did this, you were just a humble podcaster
Speaker 1: with the number one podcast in England who was touring
Speaker 1: and playing the Royal alb But just a humble comedian
Speaker 1: podcaster who plays the Royal Albert whole sell out the
Speaker 1: Royal album. Just a humble small podcaster, comedian doing his
Speaker 1: little tour around the world. And then between episodes you
Speaker 1: become a movie star in a huge hit Hollywood film.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard of it, The Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1: I have, And there was James A. Custer in Ghostbusters
Speaker 1: Frozen Empire. And let me tell you something, I've never
Speaker 1: been more proud in my life. You're a fucking movie star.
Speaker 1: You're so good in it. And what I really loved
Speaker 1: is the second you appear. The first thing you say
Speaker 1: made me laugh out loud. You're funny. You turn up,
Speaker 1: You're fucking funny. You turn up and you go like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a movie star and I'm really funny. And then
Speaker 1: I goes, oh wow. And I had someone say to me,
Speaker 1: who's the guy, the kind of the breakout star. They're
Speaker 1: sort of the favorite in the film, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you the Genie. They're like, yeah, the GENI. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're brilliant. Thank you for watching it. But I'm so
Speaker 1: so glad you watched it. Well, the thing that I
Speaker 1: hadn't that hadn't occurred to me. I knew you'd be
Speaker 1: brilliant and everything, but it hadn't occurred to me that
Speaker 1: you also have a movie star head. Interesting, you've got
Speaker 1: a movie star head.
Speaker 2: What are you talking? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Well, you've got a very you're very good looking, but
Speaker 1: you also have and I'm in this lovely I think
Speaker 1: you've got big heads. And that's brilliant for movies. Movie
Speaker 1: stars have big heads, and it's like, oh, yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got a movie start head. You're a beautiful man with
Speaker 1: a with a big head. That's what movie stars are.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know I had a big head until now,
Speaker 2: or definitely when they put my hair up like that,
Speaker 2: I've got all the My hair is all up in
Speaker 2: the air as well, So that adds a few That's
Speaker 2: maybe why they wanted me to do that.
Speaker 1: You have to have a big head so that you know,
Speaker 1: because you're on a big screen, so you've got to
Speaker 1: have things to look at you know, it's got to
Speaker 1: be spread out as essential. Yeah, and so you've got
Speaker 1: a beautiful movie star head. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, how did we not know this all along?
Speaker 1: He's been fucking wasted on stage.
Speaker 2: If anyone else watched it and thought that, I think
Speaker 2: everyone's got a big head. Of course, of course.
Speaker 1: Of course you've got a movie start head. This is
Speaker 1: a comment. I know you're taking it like, is it no? No,
Speaker 1: I take it as a compliment what I'm enjoying. And
Speaker 1: I've missed it because we know we don't get to
Speaker 1: talk all the time. You're you're on tour at the minute.
Speaker 2: Very proud of you for that thing, just to be
Speaker 2: proud of each other for the whole the whole podcast.
Speaker 2: But like, I like how you always every time I
Speaker 2: talk to you, you say something that I've never come
Speaker 2: across before, Like it's common knowledge, like movie stars have
Speaker 2: to have big heads. I've never heard that from anyone ever.
Speaker 2: But it's like, nam movies a small head. Hey, it's
Speaker 2: a good point. Hey, I'm not saying I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Here, think I mean, just think it through it there
Speaker 1: any your favorite movie stars anytime I guess.
Speaker 2: There's loads of people who I think don't have big heads,
Speaker 2: but the movie stars, but ones that have specifically small heads.
Speaker 2: Bob Balaban his big head, Yeah, small the small man.
Speaker 1: That's a great shot. He's a smaller man. But the
Speaker 1: other thing movie stars at the thing that's different. Way
Speaker 1: you'll have a sort of huge career as well. Is
Speaker 1: that your tool which is unusual for me movie really
Speaker 1: sure with big heads, your tool with big edg your
Speaker 1: head is actually portional, which is why it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: people are in Hollywood. They're like, this is a money
Speaker 1: making machine. This cast is what we want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I was very very proud of you, and I did
Speaker 1: wonder what it was like because also you have you
Speaker 1: have quite difficult stuff in that film, because you've got
Speaker 1: you get all the funny stuff, but actually you you're
Speaker 1: the exposition character as well. You're the one who says
Speaker 1: all the complicated science stuff. You have to do quite
Speaker 1: a lot of heavy lifting of science talk, and there's
Speaker 1: scenes where you're doing science talk to the entire cast
Speaker 1: of the film, which is a massive curst. And I
Speaker 1: was thinking, God, that must have been an intimidating day
Speaker 1: where you're you're doing these big, long monologues in front
Speaker 1: of everyone. Yes, how was all that?
Speaker 2: Well that that scene you'r took about was my audition
Speaker 2: scene as well, so like I kind of knew it
Speaker 2: really well already, so that helped. But like I remember
Speaker 2: when I auditioned, maybe you know, I did a self
Speaker 2: tape and then I did an impersonal audition, and you know,
Speaker 2: at the time, they were like, oh, we also might
Speaker 2: do some improv so I just want to do a
Speaker 2: quick improve seen with you. I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: and they're like, so I was going to keep it
Speaker 2: in the lab, yeah, where we've just done that scripted
Speaker 2: scene and you got all the equipment around, so let's
Speaker 2: just improvise here. Would go, hey, Las, what do you
Speaker 2: got here? And I was like, I'm sorry, what have
Speaker 2: I got to improvised? What's in my lab? Like I've
Speaker 2: got improvised science to you like improvise made up science
Speaker 2: as well? It's not even like yeah. They were like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: You've got your ghost equipment and we're just gonna So
Speaker 2: that was the most that was more intimidated than anything
Speaker 2: I think we actually ended up filming. But like I
Speaker 2: liked the scenes when we were all there, it was exciting.
Speaker 2: It was all exciting, man, I mean like, yeah, did
Speaker 2: you love it? I loved it. There was one there
Speaker 2: was one little bit where I had a wobble and
Speaker 2: my confidence, like for half a day, really went. So
Speaker 2: I was like, what am I going to do? Because
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not feeling like I want to
Speaker 2: go in tomorrow. I'm feeling like I really showed myself
Speaker 2: up today and really messed that scene up. So I
Speaker 2: sent a message to a friend of mine who's filmed
Speaker 2: a lot himself, called Brett Goldstein, and I messaged him
Speaker 2: and said, is it normal to feel like you're an
Speaker 2: impostor and you can't do any of this stuff?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: It's a normal to feel like you're the worst person
Speaker 2: on set? And he could have texted me back, but
Speaker 2: instead he find me and he reassured me and said, look,
Speaker 2: this is this is every single actor, every single time.
Speaker 2: He told me a nice story about a really big
Speaker 2: famous actor and I can't remember who it was now
Speaker 2: who says you always feel like you can't do it
Speaker 2: and and all that, and it made me feel much
Speaker 2: better and I was able to go in, and I thought,
Speaker 2: what a nice boy. And that was genuinely the only
Speaker 2: time that I had a wobble during it all, and
Speaker 2: you got me back on track. I know you've forgotten
Speaker 2: about that. So as I started telling it, I saw
Speaker 2: your face go, oh, who's this nice? Oh? No, oh no,
Speaker 2: I've cheeed myself up for a compliment. You were like,
Speaker 2: this is my worst nightmare. Hard to get complimented for
Speaker 2: being a good man.
Speaker 1: It's nice of you to tell this. Like what I
Speaker 1: happened is I called you and went, what are you
Speaker 1: fucking talking about? No, I've never heard that too. That's Matt.
Speaker 1: You must have been terrible. That's all. You should quit
Speaker 1: that film, shouldquit the film. You're going to get fired. No,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Everyone feels that. I feel that. I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know lots of lots of very very famous, brilliant
Speaker 1: people who feel that. And I told you the thing
Speaker 1: that I always think is really brilliant. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone has this luxury these days because of
Speaker 1: the madness of budgets and stuff. But you know the
Speaker 1: thing about Donald Sutherland that he has it, I believe,
Speaker 1: or he at least used to have it in his
Speaker 1: contract that when he makes a film that you start
Speaker 1: with the middle scenes because he's like, it will take
Speaker 1: me a while to find the character and get it right,
Speaker 1: but by the time we film the beginning of the film,
Speaker 1: I'll have it. So if there's any mistakes, if I'm
Speaker 1: not good, I'm not good in the middle. And by
Speaker 1: that time of you watching it as an audience, you're
Speaker 1: into it. You don't care, and you stop, you don't
Speaker 1: notice if there's one scene he's not good in you've
Speaker 1: watched an hour and you're fully invested. That's good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think our first few days was like it's a
Speaker 2: scene that took three days, but for the first two
Speaker 2: I didn't have any lines, so I was able to
Speaker 2: just walk around just in the scene and just get
Speaker 2: told in you know, non consequential, what is stop doing that?
Speaker 1: Do it?
Speaker 2: Do it differently.
Speaker 1: You're very good at You're very still, and you're very
Speaker 1: you really are like movie start. You're not like shuffling
Speaker 1: around and you have to do and the bit I
Speaker 1: was really impressed with where I was like, wow, that's real.
Speaker 1: Is the bit where your hands freezes and you get
Speaker 1: you have to like you have to do proper stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that my favorite day that
Speaker 1: was that was a few days. I thought you were
Speaker 1: really good. You did it was just really good. I
Speaker 1: was very very proud of you, and I loved seeing it.
Speaker 1: And you're a fucking big part in it. You're fucking gas.
Speaker 2: That's the beauty of exposition. Baby. When I was reading
Speaker 2: that script for the first time, I was like, Yes,
Speaker 2: keep on giving me that exposition. That's all I want.
Speaker 2: You can't cut around that. Film doesn't make sense if
Speaker 2: you lose it.
Speaker 1: You can't cut around it. It was excellent. I was
Speaker 1: very impressed. Also, you have been on your Heckler's Welcome Tour.
Speaker 1: I think when we did a comment relief special, we
Speaker 1: did talk about you about to start that. How have
Speaker 1: you foundled that? And I know loads of people have
Speaker 1: seen it absolutely loved it. How much heckling has there been?
Speaker 1: And has that part of it been fun or regrettable
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean? Like, because most people
Speaker 1: who I know who've seen it said there wasn't really
Speaker 1: much heckling, but then there was the Usually the heckling
Speaker 1: was quite boring and it was like what's your favorite
Speaker 1: dish or something? So I wondered in general what it
Speaker 1: was those American gigs. Yeah, I think so, because.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, and in America, the heckles are referencing other
Speaker 2: stuff I've done, you know, TV shows I've done or whatever.
Speaker 2: But they've always been like that. Basically, there's been no
Speaker 2: increase or decrease in heckles or the types of heckles
Speaker 2: I get. I've got exactly the same amount of heckles,
Speaker 2: exactly the same amount of gigs that acquire. But what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to change is my response to those gigs
Speaker 2: because I never really was one of those comics who
Speaker 2: kind of goes well. I would immediately after a gig,
Speaker 2: I'd blame the audience. I'd come off stage and be like,
Speaker 2: why can't I just get rid of these idiots? And
Speaker 2: then you know, ten to fifteen minutes later, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: I've got to stop throwing these gigs in the bin, man,
Speaker 2: Because that was the main thing was I was like,
Speaker 2: this isn't going to change. They're not going to change
Speaker 2: as an audience. They never you know, you watch comedians
Speaker 2: have been going for decades and they've got heckler's or
Speaker 2: they've still got quiet gigs, you know, relatively to them.
Speaker 2: So like I've just got to sort out my response.
Speaker 2: So that was the whole idea behind let the audience
Speaker 2: do what they want, tell them they're allowed to hecki
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Was just so I removed the option
Speaker 2: of bollocking them and their shit.
Speaker 1: And how did it work out? Did it work as
Speaker 1: an experiment for your mind and stuff? It absolutely worked
Speaker 1: as an experiment for my mind. I've got as of
Speaker 1: now when we're talking, I've got thirteen left, so I
Speaker 1: don't want to draw a complete conclusion just yet. But
Speaker 1: I made a lot of changes, not just you know
Speaker 1: the fact that I let them do what they want,
Speaker 1: but it also spaced the tour shows out a bit more.
Speaker 1: I did residencies instead of a different city every night,
Speaker 1: and I only went back to places that I'd enjoyed
Speaker 1: in the past and had a good time, and all
Speaker 1: the places where I've consistently struggled on tour. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's stop going back there, because you know, you know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen there great.
Speaker 2: And I didn't over preview it. I didn't do like
Speaker 2: a billion work in progress shows and then get it
Speaker 2: so it was finished and then take it on the road.
Speaker 2: When I'm already sick of it as well, which is
Speaker 2: what I've done a lot of in the past. So
Speaker 2: all of that helped. And yeah, I think I want
Speaker 2: to finish it before I say anything for definite. But
Speaker 2: it's definitely been a better tour for my head than
Speaker 2: any of the others have. There hasn't been a gig
Speaker 2: where I've throwed the whole gig in the bin and
Speaker 2: told him it's shit, And that's every other tour I've done.
Speaker 2: Definitely that has happened, especially on the last tour in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. There was probably most of them was me going,
Speaker 2: you know, thirty seconds zero, fuck this, but this I
Speaker 2: know how good the show could be, and the way
Speaker 2: you applauded me on to stage just not indicate this
Speaker 2: is going to be the best show ever. So why
Speaker 2: even bother see you later? I start slugging their city
Speaker 2: off to them?
Speaker 1: Have you like, have you had anywhere, because from what
Speaker 1: I understand, you have a full if no one haggles,
Speaker 1: you have a full, complete, yeah show. So have you
Speaker 1: had any shows where you've had so much interaction that
Speaker 1: you've had to abandon the thing and you never finished
Speaker 1: the story or the right.
Speaker 2: So I'm still yet to film it. When filming the
Speaker 2: show at the end of the tour, I'm actually filming
Speaker 2: it in two different locations, two different crowds, because like
Speaker 2: in completely different setups as well, because I think that
Speaker 2: this show, more than any other, is different. Every night
Speaker 2: I did an audio record in the other day for
Speaker 2: an audio release we're doing, and I did it two
Speaker 2: nights in a row in Keprin and my hometown, and
Speaker 2: on neither occasion did we finish the show. So that's
Speaker 2: going to be released, you know, officially, and there's going
Speaker 2: to be a vinyl release of it and everything. And
Speaker 2: it's not it's not we don't finish the materials. We
Speaker 2: don't really get halfway into the material both nights. So
Speaker 2: the first night was my fault. I was messing around
Speaker 2: too much, and then the second night they were hectic
Speaker 2: a lot to the point where I had to be like,
Speaker 2: I've got to admit that we're not getting to the
Speaker 2: edge of this. But that's what's you know, good about
Speaker 2: it as well, is that you know, definitely in the past,
Speaker 2: if they were hecting to the point where I couldn't
Speaker 2: finish the show, which happens every tour, at some point
Speaker 2: I would bother them all, go you don't deserve comedy,
Speaker 2: you deserve to laugh. You're a bunch of absolute assholes.
Speaker 2: What do I even bother coming here? And then everyone
Speaker 2: goes home feeling sad. On these ones, when that happens,
Speaker 2: I go along with it and try and find and
Speaker 2: ending and try and be a bit more positive. So
Speaker 2: even I'm not saying that I end every gig feeling fantastic,
Speaker 2: but the ones where I do feel disappointed with the
Speaker 2: show or that wasn't that good, that feeling is usually
Speaker 2: gone by the time I get back to the hotel room,
Speaker 2: rather than carrying on. And there's been some I did
Speaker 2: find my wall by breaking. I had to break some
Speaker 2: of my rules and had a month where I gigged
Speaker 2: a lot more than usual, and I went back to
Speaker 2: some places that I wasn't going to go back to,
Speaker 2: and I very quickly was back in the same place. Mentally,
Speaker 2: I wasn't taking it out on the crowd on stage.
Speaker 2: They had no idea, but like you know, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, this is now. I'm back in the hotel room.
Speaker 2: I still feel bad, and it's the next day and
Speaker 2: I still feel like I don't want to do the
Speaker 2: gig tonight, I like, but that was good as well.
Speaker 2: It was good to I think if I hadn't found
Speaker 2: the line on this tour, it wouldn't have been as useful,
Speaker 2: and it was good to find the line and go, okay,
Speaker 2: these are definitely no notes.
Speaker 1: This is great, this is good.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 1: How about how was the Giant off menu tour? You
Speaker 1: did that in a row, right, you did them like
Speaker 1: in a row kind of Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1: I mean love the audiences. That never got boring.
Speaker 2: Well no, because you know, it's different every night, so
Speaker 2: that's great. That's what's good about that. And the first
Speaker 2: half is me and Ed going out and talking to
Speaker 2: the audience and doing their menus, so that's different and
Speaker 2: just improvising and messing about. And then second half is
Speaker 2: you get a different guest on and and do the
Speaker 2: podcast with them. So yeah, that was brilliant and just
Speaker 2: like very good, you know, I mean tiring. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot of people working on that big crew.
Speaker 2: Normally it's me and my tour manager for my tour shows.
Speaker 2: This one, Ed and I we'd okayed a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff and Benito, but not thought about it at all
Speaker 2: because he's so good at his job, so we we
Speaker 2: just go, yeah, yeah, we want a lamp on stage,
Speaker 2: a giant lamp, and yeah we want that back that
Speaker 2: that scenery looks great. I didn't even think about the
Speaker 2: people needed. And we turned upon day one, which is
Speaker 2: in Birmingham, and there was a big tour bus outside
Speaker 2: and we went is that for us? And Ben was
Speaker 2: like it was for your crew?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What?
Speaker 2: But you've got a full crew on there and they're
Speaker 2: gonna be traveling through the night from here back to
Speaker 2: London with that, and it's your whole set is is
Speaker 2: in that that lorry next to it, That's where your
Speaker 2: set is. And we didn't think about any of that.
Speaker 2: And then we're like, oh god, yeah, there's a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of people working on this who were amazing.
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean pretty fucking insane, isn't it right? It
Speaker 1: was insane, etc. You know.
Speaker 2: And also I mean Ben did the thing is with
Speaker 2: off menu? Now? Is that all? I don't really feel
Speaker 2: like it's my podcast. I feel like I'm a host
Speaker 2: on it. But whenever I kind of listened to some
Speaker 2: of it, all I think is what Ben and his
Speaker 2: team are doing a great joas they're doing a great
Speaker 2: They've made these live episodes sound so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done great.
Speaker 2: So I think it's Ben's podcasters, Benito's podcast.
Speaker 3: We work for Ben James Acaster. I am dead impressed
Speaker 3: with you. I have decided to let you come back
Speaker 3: to life. You will be reincarnated. But how would you
Speaker 3: like to come back? Who will you be?
Speaker 1: A human? An animal? What will your new life entail?
Speaker 1: Tell us now? Please?
Speaker 2: Was this question in the email? Yeah? Okay, I don't remember. Well, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so if I'm coming back, I guess see, I'd like
Speaker 2: to say an animal, but really it probably is a
Speaker 2: human because I just like to have another go around
Speaker 2: and do a bunch of different stuff and live a
Speaker 2: different human life. Because I think about, how are there
Speaker 2: so many animals? What were the things you'd like? Well,
Speaker 2: you know, you think, just just like different choices. Long,
Speaker 2: so you know, as entertainers, I think there are times
Speaker 2: where we think ourselves we live in a bit of
Speaker 2: a selfish life. It's all geared towards our own egos.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, man, if only I had another life,
Speaker 2: I could be selfless during that all further in the
Speaker 2: future when the world is more funcks so probably can
Speaker 2: do less. But you know, so, yeah, I probably come
Speaker 2: back and be a good person, you know, So come
Speaker 2: back and I come work. Yeah, well, you know, I
Speaker 2: used to work with autistic children in the school, and
Speaker 2: when I quit that to do stand up, I just
Speaker 2: feel a little bit like maybe I'm a bad person.
Speaker 2: And you know, I could probably go back to the
Speaker 2: school and go, look, I've been being kindated. I don't
Speaker 2: know if my CIB is still valid, but like I'd
Speaker 2: like to work here again and stick at it this time.
Speaker 2: And yeah, obviously, you know, full on, I'll probably yeah,
Speaker 2: just be a climate scientist. I'll come back and be
Speaker 2: a climate scientist.
Speaker 1: Okay, you do more more exposition. You've come back and
Speaker 1: do all the exposition and the news.
Speaker 2: I'd be the character from Ghosts. Yeah, I'll be him,
Speaker 2: even though I've watched that film quite a few times
Speaker 2: now because I've been with various friends and family. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's different screenings when it came out. And I
Speaker 2: would say that scientist isn't upon close to examination, is
Speaker 2: not very clever.
Speaker 1: Why he sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: I think he should have once that brass or but
Speaker 2: frozen his hand. I think he should have put it
Speaker 2: back in that special room that he got it out
Speaker 2: of in Camail's house.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true, but he.
Speaker 2: That was irresponsible of him. But yes, yeah, oh no,
Speaker 2: why he did it? Yeah, I know that he's curious
Speaker 2: it is. But again we're back to ego. Now, maybe
Speaker 2: that's not the most abandoning of my ego if I
Speaker 2: become a scientist. They were bearing it for the glory
Speaker 2: as well. That Lars Pinfield, that's my character's name, he
Speaker 2: was he lets he go get the better of him
Speaker 2: and then goaka nearly froze everyone to death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's learned nothing coming back, nothing coming back? Well,
Speaker 1: welcome back. Now you're you are coming back to life.
Speaker 1: Before you you start your new life, you would like
Speaker 1: to know about the films you would like to know
Speaker 1: about in your new life. You get it anyway, What
Speaker 1: we want to know is what's your favorite remake.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can probably guess this, maybe you can't,
Speaker 2: but Departed great answer.
Speaker 1: Did not guess that at all.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a bit predictable because obviously, you
Speaker 2: know one best picture. It's a great film and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a bloody bloke, so of course I love it,
Speaker 2: but love The Departed. And also, yeah, it's one of
Speaker 2: those films I get annoyed when people criticize it because
Speaker 2: I think it's just a really fun film. Yes, And
Speaker 2: like I think people get shitty about it because it
Speaker 2: won the Oscar and they're like, oh, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's not even his best film. It's like what you
Speaker 2: want about, like it's the Oscars. It's not an exact science.
Speaker 2: They eventually gave him Best Picture, which they should have
Speaker 2: DoD ages ago, and it was for a film that's
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: It was one of his fun ones. I like it
Speaker 1: when he makes a fun one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think for me, it's the most rewatchable
Speaker 2: school says he film. I go back to it loads,
Speaker 2: like I'm always in the mood for it. I was
Speaker 2: having a chat with some frends the other day about
Speaker 2: films you're always in the mood for whenever. I might
Speaker 2: have even bought it up on your podcast in the past,
Speaker 2: because like, I love it that there was some films
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, anytime someone says to me, you want
Speaker 2: to watch Departed, the answer will always be.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, what when I love of his that
Speaker 1: he made for fun is Cape Fear. I love Cape Fear,
Speaker 1: and I think it's sort of bas it's absolutely bananas.
Speaker 1: But it's also been like the Simpsons did the thing,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of now like sort of been spoofed
Speaker 1: so much it's quite hard to remember it as it was.
Speaker 1: But it's fucking great. It's so wild, and I like
Speaker 1: how exciting it is in first and it's like what
Speaker 1: the whole time you're like fucking out, like he's really
Speaker 1: enjoying himself. Who is the one actor you would watch
Speaker 1: in anything other than James acast Who is my answer
Speaker 1: to this question?
Speaker 2: Of course it's your answer. Yes, there's a lot, There's
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot, a lot, so I had to
Speaker 2: really think about this, but I think the one who
Speaker 2: takes the crown is Amy Adams. I've never seen Amy
Speaker 2: Adams in something in for get her off the screen,
Speaker 2: no matter what the film is, even like films like that.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know she was in when I first
Speaker 2: watched it, because I know who Amy Adams was. And
Speaker 2: then you go back and watch Catch Me if you can,
Speaker 2: and then realize that Amy Adams is in it, and
Speaker 2: in that she's just magnetic and brilliant and you really like,
Speaker 2: you know, her character's not even in it for that long,
Speaker 2: but it's a fully fleshed out, three dimensional character you
Speaker 2: completely buy into. I think obviously it's got big character actors,
Speaker 2: isn't it that you can watch in whatever, because like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch somebody does the same thing
Speaker 2: all the time. So people like Amy Adams is just
Speaker 2: like changes it up every film. That's such a great
Speaker 2: great you always believe her in the role. It's always
Speaker 2: just like I don't even think there's Amy Adams pretending
Speaker 2: to be a princess or Amy Adams pretending to be
Speaker 2: you know, annoyed at him for boxing again, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's properly that's the person.
Speaker 1: She's really good at funny and really good at serious.
Speaker 1: She really can do. She's a very good comedian actor
Speaker 1: as well and very serious. God, that's a great shout
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: One of the worst things about being like, you know,
Speaker 2: because obviously, despite all of our Ghostbusters chat, I'm a
Speaker 2: stand up comedian and I'm like actor adjacent and sometimes
Speaker 2: interact with actors. And one of the worst things is
Speaker 2: that I'm still astounded by the very basics of acting.
Speaker 2: So when I meet an actor, it's very easy for
Speaker 2: me to say, which I did to one person once. Mate,
Speaker 2: you're really good. Like every film I see you and like,
Speaker 2: I really believe you're that person. It's crazy. It's like,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? When you're watching it
Speaker 2: and it doesn't even seem like someone acting, it just
Speaker 2: seems like they are that guy. That's you. That's really
Speaker 2: that seems really hard to me. And they're like, we
Speaker 2: are literally on the set of a film now chatting.
Speaker 2: You should not feel like this. I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 2: that we're about to do a scene together.
Speaker 1: Was it poor Rat?
Speaker 2: It wasn't on Ghostbusters film Cinderella. My other my feature debut.
Speaker 1: Was it Ramis.
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't James Corden either. It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 2: actually someone I'm in a scene with. It was somebody
Speaker 2: who was filming a scene in tandem to ours, and
Speaker 2: I got to chat to them quick.
Speaker 1: You say this about character actors, and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: That's a great shout. But movie star wise, I would
Speaker 1: pick Denzel Washington because I watched Denzel Washington and ending
Speaker 1: Densie Winston is my favorite movie star. Like, I'll even
Speaker 1: watch all the Equalizers. That's how I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't watch the Equalizer. You know, I love Denzil
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm not not an idiot, but like, if Equalizer
Speaker 2: had Amy Adams is the Equalizer, yeah, that would be great. Yeah, yeah, God,
Speaker 2: that'd be great. And then the twist in the final
Speaker 2: Equalizer would be that actually this is the first one and
Speaker 2: the others haven't happened yet, but she's going to decide
Speaker 2: to do them anyway. She could have decide to live
Speaker 2: her life.
Speaker 1: I love it. What is the film you changed your
Speaker 1: mind about significantly from the first time you saw it?
Speaker 1: E g. You saw it, you loved it, now you
Speaker 1: hate it, or you saw it you hated it, and
Speaker 1: then you saw it again you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so wrong about this film is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yes, iron Man, Yes, go on, first time I saw
Speaker 2: iron Man, and this might be this is the case
Speaker 2: for this might be quite universal. Actually, but like where
Speaker 2: the world was with superhero films when iron Man came
Speaker 2: out was that they were they got bums on seats,
Speaker 2: but we all thought they were bad. Yeah, and we
Speaker 2: were all just turning up to a routine to get disappointed,
Speaker 2: and Iron Man was doubly Soci're like, why they really
Speaker 2: scraping the banel. Now they're doing Iron Man, they clearly
Speaker 2: haven't got any decent superheroes to draw from. Now this
Speaker 2: will be bad. And at the time, I was not aware,
Speaker 2: you know, of how much Jon Favreau was like an
Speaker 2: amazing director, and I didn't even know how much of
Speaker 2: a safe over hands Robert Downey Junior was. I was
Speaker 2: just like, I was just going to see a film
Speaker 2: a keptin cinema with my friends, another superhero film, and
Speaker 2: I watched it and I thought it was fine. At
Speaker 2: the time, I thought, yeah, I was all right, but
Speaker 2: I wasn't really into superhero stuff. I just go and
Speaker 2: see him because my mates wanted to. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: just forgot about it. And then all these superhero films
Speaker 2: came out. I wasn't really about any of them for ages,
Speaker 2: and then went to watch I mean it was probably
Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy and was like, well that's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite films, yeah straight away, and then really
Speaker 2: got into the MCU and then went back and watched everything.
Speaker 2: And one of the people who really loved the Infinity
Speaker 2: Saga and Infinity warn Endgame was some of the best
Speaker 2: experiences I've ever had in the cinema. I loved it,
Speaker 2: and I'd never thought I would love it. So now
Speaker 2: I look back at Iron Man and I've rewatched it since,
Speaker 2: and you go, what and a cheap Like it's literally
Speaker 2: Marvel and everything and Superhero films were completely like they were,
Speaker 2: you know, on the edge of just like that's it,
Speaker 2: We're fight now, we're not doing it anymore. And that
Speaker 2: team who made that film completely changed how superhero films
Speaker 2: were made, set a whole new blueproot for stuff, and
Speaker 2: we're able to launch what was it, twenty three other
Speaker 2: films off the back of it there, and it was
Speaker 2: able to like set up things that got paid off
Speaker 2: in those final two films, which is incredible. So now
Speaker 2: I look at it and I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: that's one of the most significant film in the history
Speaker 2: of modern cinema. It is. But at the time I
Speaker 2: was just like whatever, whatever, But like, yeah, now I'm like,
Speaker 2: what an important film. What a bunch of really clever
Speaker 2: people who made it, clever boys, And yeah, there were
Speaker 2: things that are in that film. Now obviously what happens
Speaker 2: in the in the final two films that I just go, oh,
Speaker 2: I know where that's going later on. That's very satisfying.
Speaker 1: It's very good, and it was funny. It was funny,
Speaker 1: and they figured out how to be funny as well
Speaker 1: in the other stuff. Great answer, James A. Custer, perfect answer,
Speaker 1: And without iron Man we would not have Yes, father,
Speaker 1: what is your favorite documentary film? And vil Ah, of
Speaker 1: course it's your life story.
Speaker 2: I really really relate to it. It's funny, obviously, but
Speaker 2: it's also quite poignant, especially if you tried for many
Speaker 2: years to be in a band, especially if it was
Speaker 2: you and your best mate and you didn't always get on.
Speaker 2: But also you really really believed in the muse, and
Speaker 2: you weren't very good at articulating to other people why
Speaker 2: they should also believe in it. And all you could
Speaker 2: come up with was it's such good music. It's really good,
Speaker 2: which is what the bit in Anvil when they go
Speaker 2: round all the different record labels and they're talking to
Speaker 2: the big execs, and the execs are like, why should
Speaker 2: we put this out? And all they can come up
Speaker 2: with is because it's great, because it's so good, because
Speaker 2: this is brilliant music, and people need to hear it,
Speaker 2: and they're like, everyone says that to us about their album.
Speaker 2: You need to tell us why this is different. And
Speaker 2: of course they can't because they're authentic. They are actually
Speaker 2: about the music that that's what they put their life into.
Speaker 2: They're not sitting around with their business heads on thinking
Speaker 2: what sells or how can we like pitch this and
Speaker 2: sell this to a record label. They're just thinking, we
Speaker 2: love music. This speaks to us. Surely, surely these record
Speaker 2: label execs are going to see that they care about music, right,
Speaker 2: So they're just they're going like this just kicks ass.
Speaker 2: This is great music. They're like, yeah, okay, buys, leave
Speaker 2: the CD on the coffee table, and that I really
Speaker 2: really related to those scenes. I was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's us. That was us saying to everyone for quite
Speaker 2: a few years. But this is just really great music.
Speaker 1: It's just good. It's funny. You have these conversations in
Speaker 1: creative stuff, particularly you must have had them with your
Speaker 1: with your By the way, with the other thing we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about springdef you're brilliant fucking sitcom podcast, which
Speaker 1: is brilliant. I'm so well plotted and like I'm like,
Speaker 1: you made a whole fucking TV show, but put it
Speaker 1: on a podcast all a way was so impressive. But
Speaker 1: I also like the reality of anything you do that
Speaker 1: isn't just you on your own, that there is this
Speaker 1: part where you have to communicate what you're trying to
Speaker 1: do to other people to get them on board, or
Speaker 1: to get them to buy it, or even just to
Speaker 1: get them to carry out your vision. It is always amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing when you write a script and then the
Speaker 1: props departments show you the props they've got for it,
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, my god, obviously not that, but
Speaker 1: in your head it's so clear in your head, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I guess I haven't explained this properly.
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting that stuff. You do have to
Speaker 1: kind of learn ways of trying to explain things in
Speaker 1: a different way than it's natural to you. And then
Speaker 1: very occasionally have found this when we've made a film
Speaker 1: that you fight and you you say all these things,
Speaker 1: and there'll always be one decision or one moment where
Speaker 1: it's eventually you're just like, I can't explain it any better.
Speaker 1: I just really like this. I just really like this.
Speaker 1: And you can say all the arguments, but I don't
Speaker 1: have any more arguments outing it. It just feels good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we just do this because it feels good?
Speaker 2: Stand up to a really good way of learning to communicate,
Speaker 2: because that's the whole job. Yeah, music, I think is
Speaker 2: the opposite because you're not it's almost intangible. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: musicians like those two guys in that documentary more than anything,
Speaker 2: are like, we don't know how to tell you why
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 1: Good and you know what, It goes both ways. Because
Speaker 1: I found the hardest part of like when we made
Speaker 1: a thing was working with the composers because I don't
Speaker 1: have the music language to explain what I'm trying to get,
Speaker 1: and so when they'd send music, if the music didn't
Speaker 1: feel right to me, I didn't quite know how to
Speaker 1: explain what I wanted because I'm not a musician. So
Speaker 1: it's really difficult actually that communication of like can it
Speaker 1: be I wanted to feel, I don't know, romantic or
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck words you're using, and then somehow you'd
Speaker 1: get there in the end, But it was that was
Speaker 1: one of the hardest parts, was communicating.
Speaker 2: Having to describe music. So the second book I wrote
Speaker 2: was all about albums that I love, and I had
Speaker 2: to just written word to describe how an album sounded
Speaker 2: felt an everything was a massive, massive task and fun
Speaker 2: to learn how to do it. But having to describe
Speaker 2: as someone how a song sounds that makes you feel.
Speaker 1: It's, yeah, I need to get better at that. That
Speaker 1: is a real gave me.
Speaker 2: A whole new load of respect for good music critics.
Speaker 2: They're proper good writers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because to me, music's magic is like this thing
Speaker 1: made me feel things. I have no idea why, and
Speaker 1: it just happened. It should be that you're like, you
Speaker 1: just do the magic thing for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah thing, please magician?
Speaker 1: All right, what is your favorite sequel? Genie?
Speaker 2: So many contenders. Obviously we're taking Ghostbusters, Froze an Empire
Speaker 2: off the table. Okay, it hurts to do that, but okay,
Speaker 2: look there's loads and loads of contenders here. I think
Speaker 2: it comes down to a lot of honorable mentions. Evil
Speaker 2: Dead two, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey Home Alone two
Speaker 2: Lost in New York. These are honorable mentions. Comes down
Speaker 2: to three. One is Toy Story three. But you say
Speaker 2: that people mention it too much on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh they haven't for a while, because I haven't let them.
Speaker 1: You can say it now.
Speaker 2: It's my favorite toy story film. Patenton two is a
Speaker 2: perfect film. Yeah, everyone knows this, everyone would have said
Speaker 2: it on your podcast before. And then this other one
Speaker 2: is probably my answer because it also falls into the
Speaker 2: category of I'm always up for watching it whenever. But again,
Speaker 2: it's probably one that's been mentioned on your podcast byion times.
Speaker 2: But I probably go for The Dark Knight.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say Bad Boys Too,
Speaker 1: which is obviously the best sequel, but okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dark Knight's very good.
Speaker 2: Im've learned from like the films, the films that I'm
Speaker 2: always in the mood to watch, like Dark Knight Departed.
Speaker 2: I think, like a heart, I'm a very different but
Speaker 2: I'm probably an insl Actually.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. You're an absolute lad. You're
Speaker 1: a real blokey bloke deep down. Yeah, you like you
Speaker 1: like boys, tough guys, fire.
Speaker 2: I like films that can be misinterpreted to fully kind
Speaker 2: of empower the wrong type of bloke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think Fight Club is aspirational?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I hope that I interpret them the correct way.
Speaker 2: But I love them still as much as the wrong
Speaker 2: po people love them. Yeah that's good, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I could have tried to come up with
Speaker 2: a cleverer answer. I mean before Sunset as well, was
Speaker 2: in the obviously incredible. But I've realized I basically like
Speaker 2: all the same sequels that everyone likes. Bill and Ted's
Speaker 2: Bogus Journey is probably the only one that isn't an
Speaker 2: obvious pick.
Speaker 1: We're going with The Dark Night because you're an inso
Speaker 1: and I love this about you. Yeah, it's what people
Speaker 1: don't know. I've got to accept it. Yea, what is
Speaker 1: your favorite film by a director that you don't usually like?
Speaker 2: To go? Just trying to think of this one, which
Speaker 2: is why, you know, just think about a lot of
Speaker 2: these which I'm annoyed because the rate you're asking me
Speaker 2: the questions is quicker than the amount of time I
Speaker 2: spent thinking about them. This is hard because what I
Speaker 2: realized with this one, I had to properly.
Speaker 1: I have just remembered that. Yeah, you think I'm rushing
Speaker 1: you too much, right, yeah, only because of time. I
Speaker 1: forget that. What you're amazing and you you've you've got
Speaker 1: like half an hour and every question, but we don't
Speaker 1: have that method.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I know that.
Speaker 1: So I have to I have to move you because
Speaker 1: otherwise we'll never finished. But I don't want to question
Speaker 1: in your method that we're moving. Oh listen, if you
Speaker 1: weren't a movies down, we'd be doing a five hour record.
Speaker 1: But you've got to get back to set.
Speaker 2: So the reason why it is difficult is because I
Speaker 2: realized that there's not really any directors I don't like
Speaker 2: that have done like one film that I love, unless
Speaker 2: it's their first film. And I thought it was unfair
Speaker 2: to have it be someone's first film because it doesn't
Speaker 2: really seem to be like a I don't know, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I thought that doesn't really
Speaker 2: fit the rules, but I wasn't able to do it
Speaker 2: any other way. So it's two people. I don't even
Speaker 2: know these people's names. Okay, so it's between and this
Speaker 2: is like classic thirty nine year old it's between Napoleon
Speaker 2: Dynamite and Donnie Darko.
Speaker 1: That is that is a very good answer, that makes sense,
Speaker 1: pretty equal on both. I would say both directors. I've
Speaker 1: only watched two of their films, and also, yeah, the
Speaker 1: other films that I've watched, I feel kind of like
Speaker 1: much the same about maybe I'd go for Donnie Darko
Speaker 1: because like I preferred natural Libra to the.
Speaker 2: Box or the button or whatever it was called. So like,
Speaker 2: even though I really liked the concept of that film,
Speaker 2: great concept, So maybe I'd go Donnie Darko. But like
Speaker 2: both films Napoleon Dynamite and Donny Darko were I think
Speaker 2: probably anyone in my age, they just go in the
Speaker 2: all time faves list or maybe just again the insullly blokes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don'ty Jaco, maybe that's in that list.
Speaker 2: I love it, absolutely love it, love it.
Speaker 1: What is your favorite film that you get the most
Speaker 1: stick about loving from people? And I don't know who
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with, but they're giving you stick about
Speaker 1: your favorite film that you let get given stick?
Speaker 2: Sure, I know if I've mentioned this on the podcast before,
Speaker 2: maybe have Lady in the Water?
Speaker 1: Have I said that before? I don't remember that coming up,
Speaker 1: but I have absolutely no memory. So I would love
Speaker 1: to talk about Lady in the Water. I love it,
Speaker 1: tell me everything.
Speaker 2: I think sham Alan is one of those directors who,
Speaker 2: at least at the time when the films were coming out,
Speaker 2: because he almost got more and more himself. I think
Speaker 2: so like this first film, which everyone would say is
Speaker 2: his best film objectively. He was like, right, this is
Speaker 2: what I need to make to make a film that
Speaker 2: people will like another people. And then with each film
Speaker 2: and it's been less and less what other people would
Speaker 2: like him more, just what he likes, right, So I
Speaker 2: reckon with him. He was doing his initial run of
Speaker 2: films before it is Little. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: what you'd call it. There's a brief time where they
Speaker 2: were like, you can't put your name on the films anymore.
Speaker 2: Your name little after Last air Bender, Yeah, yeah, your
Speaker 2: name's not on the poster anymore. And then he got
Speaker 2: his name back on the poster by doing his indie stuff.
Speaker 2: But every film up until that, so up until the Happening,
Speaker 2: I guess or whatever, I reckon, everyone's got a line
Speaker 2: where they go, no, I can't do these films anymore.
Speaker 2: But the film directly before that line is your favorite.
Speaker 2: It is often your favorite, Shamolanca. So I was there
Speaker 2: all the way to Lady in the Water and I
Speaker 2: was just like, I love that he's getting sillier, and
Speaker 2: Lady in the Water was so sweet in a way.
Speaker 2: I love ensemble casts of a massive sucker for an
Speaker 2: ensemble cast. It's a very good ensemble cast. Regardless of
Speaker 2: what you think of the film, you've got to admit
Speaker 2: that all those actors are good. I liked that it
Speaker 2: was just setting this little like.
Speaker 1: It's got your favorite movies down by Bala ban in it.
Speaker 1: Bob Balaban's in it. Yeah, he gets he gets eating
Speaker 1: by wolf or something eating a dog and demon dog
Speaker 1: for being a critic. That's why he gets eaten. He's
Speaker 1: a critic, Yeah, yeah, which is funny. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just really liked the fairy tale aspect of it
Speaker 2: and how it was like a fairy tale just done
Speaker 2: in a modern day. But Jim, I mean, poor Jim
Speaker 2: might is another of those acts I can watching anything.
Speaker 2: Jeff as well, so they're both knocking about in that film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just really haven't seen it in a while. But
Speaker 2: obviously every time people talk about Shammelin and whatever, I
Speaker 2: have to just be honest and say, I actually really like
Speaker 2: Lady in the Water. And then obviously I get destroyed
Speaker 2: and they writ me the shreds spot like like that
Speaker 2: Demon Dog did to Bob Balaba.
Speaker 1: I should watch it again. I imagine i'd probably find it.
Speaker 2: You won't like it. And the people don't like it.
Speaker 1: But he's he's Jesus in it right. He's a writer
Speaker 1: who will save humanity and the critic is eating by
Speaker 1: demon dog. I think that was what seemed like bold
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe people didn't like those bits, but I
Speaker 1: was like, that's great. It's really funny that he's done
Speaker 1: that with himself, that he's put himself as this savior
Speaker 1: as the writers with a safe human It is great
Speaker 1: funny that the critic gets to part by a demon dog.
Speaker 1: And if if the critics don't find that funny, the problem,
Speaker 1: but you know, I get that it's it's flimsy, and
Speaker 1: also that everyone everyone goes along with it too easily.
Speaker 2: In the everyone immediately believes him when he tells them
Speaker 2: this is like she came out of the water and
Speaker 2: there's these demon dogs coming and all this, and don't
Speaker 2: go you're nuts. They all go, Okay, what can we do?
Speaker 2: Which is why I thought the twist, because you're looking
Speaker 2: for the twisting Champ films, it was going to be that.
Speaker 2: It's like it's they've all got mass hysteria and they're
Speaker 2: all like, this isn't an apartment building, this is like
Speaker 2: a hospital and I thought that was going to be.
Speaker 2: The twist is like, how are they all going along
Speaker 2: with this?
Speaker 1: That's funny, but I still enjoy I fork it's sweet. God,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to watch this again. This is annoying.
Speaker 1: What is the single sexiest moment in all cinema?
Speaker 2: Always a question like this from you?
Speaker 1: Yep, And I don't regret it.
Speaker 2: I want it to come over a proper ans because
Speaker 2: I was almost going to go with some very generic
Speaker 2: ones that actually, if I'm honest with myself, I don't
Speaker 2: find that sex. Like I was gonna say, oh, Karon
Speaker 2: Diaz when she enters in the mask, that farck, But
Speaker 2: like that's me being told by the camera this is sexy.
Speaker 2: You're meant to like this, this is a sexy moment,
Speaker 2: and still goes on about it.
Speaker 1: It is like it is, I mean it is, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it is, but it's not a sexy
Speaker 2: as Katharin Hahn is step Brothers. Katharyn Harten is step Brothers.
Speaker 2: Every time she jumps on John c Riley and tries
Speaker 2: to make out of him and says she wants to
Speaker 2: roll him up in a little ball and put her
Speaker 2: in her vagina. That is sexy. It's funny. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: really funny, which is sexy to be frank, really really confident,
Speaker 2: really just like really over the top. And it already
Speaker 2: over the top film. Yeah, I mean, Katharyn Harnen is
Speaker 2: sexy and doesn't get enough credit for it. True, it's
Speaker 2: a much sexier, it's a much more carn Dias walks
Speaker 2: in the bank in the mask and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, everything.
Speaker 2: Everyone's working real hard here to make this sexy. For me,
Speaker 2: that moment is step Brothers. It's like, I know you
Speaker 2: all think this is funny, but this is sexy. And
Speaker 2: also when I'm when I was making my list for this,
Speaker 2: I realized that me and Adam McKay, I think, have
Speaker 2: the same ideas and what's sexy because you know, also
Speaker 2: high up in the list was even Mendes and the
Speaker 2: other guys, and from On a Cocording Stone for On
Speaker 2: a Cocording Stone, sexy for all the Anchorman. She's holding
Speaker 2: her own in a in a world overrun by men,
Speaker 2: but she's still owning her sexuality throughout and still she's
Speaker 2: not she's not made of stone. She's a she's hot blooded,
Speaker 2: a wonderful answer. I think Adam McKay knows what he's like.
Speaker 2: I mean, apart from a big misstep when he put
Speaker 2: Margot Robbie in the bath. That's too far from me.
Speaker 2: That's not sexy.
Speaker 1: Again it is, But you know, I hear no way,
Speaker 1: I hear your very good tastes. What is the film
Speaker 1: that means the most to you as a family. Could
Speaker 1: be your wife and kids that you obviously have, or
Speaker 1: you and your parents, or however you interpret family, Vin Diesel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if this means the most us
Speaker 2: as a family or not. For me, it does, so
Speaker 2: i'd i'd have to ask my family. But I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of like my mum and my dad, and my brother
Speaker 2: and sister and growing up. And it's mainly because there's
Speaker 2: a family video of us getting this for Christmas, and
Speaker 2: me and my brother and sister lose our minds and
Speaker 2: we run around shouting it's Fantasia. We got it, We've
Speaker 2: got Fantasia. Pumped about it, and I wrote a school
Speaker 2: essay about getting Fantasia for Christmas, and in the school
Speaker 2: essay wrote the only bit I remember about it was
Speaker 2: that I said the final part is not to be
Speaker 2: watched before bedtime. I wrote it. I wanted other kids
Speaker 2: to not make the mistake that I did and watch
Speaker 2: the scary bit of the end before bed time about
Speaker 2: the Greek gods. But yeah, that for me was the
Speaker 2: is the film that I remember us getting most excited
Speaker 2: about receiving for Christmas. And then there's also on that home
Speaker 2: video footage of us watching Fantasia, just absolutely transfixed by it.
Speaker 2: And also it's just good to I've you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of films we probably loved as kids that
Speaker 2: now I try and like, we were obsessed with Three
Speaker 2: men and a baby, but I've watched it as an adult,
Speaker 2: and God, actually this is not a very good film.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was, but it's not as gripping
Speaker 2: as I thought.
Speaker 1: These three men really should be able to raise this
Speaker 1: baby without too much problem.
Speaker 2: And the plot seems overully complicated. Why is there suddenly
Speaker 2: the end of this film is this big like drug
Speaker 2: dealers are chasing them, like it's quite the tonal shift
Speaker 2: between this like funny three three bachelors trying to raise
Speaker 2: a little baby and singing a compella to it. It's bedside,
Speaker 2: and then suddenly there's drunky to running after them, give
Speaker 2: us that package. But like Fantasia still holds that that's
Speaker 2: exactly the y. It should be a cocaine plot in
Speaker 2: this cocain this which gets some very realistic props, But yeah,
Speaker 2: Fantasia still holds up very special film.
Speaker 1: You're a very good boy and a nice family because
Speaker 1: I think Fantasia I remember was I think maybe we're
Speaker 1: like the first big Disney VHS releases that I remember.
Speaker 1: It was a very big we had fantastic We had
Speaker 1: it like a really big, sort of commemorative fucking box
Speaker 1: one thing. But the reason I think You're good and
Speaker 1: special is because I also think the reality Fantasia is
Speaker 1: most children, including myself, secretly think it's boring, really exciting
Speaker 1: about it. Then you're like, it's really boring. It's this
Speaker 1: fucking good music and nothing nothing going on, but.
Speaker 2: Your I loved music so much you asthmatic point that
Speaker 2: like cartoons and music together was very's very exciting that
Speaker 2: they were doing that and.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll get it now, I'll get it now.
Speaker 2: Also it was like it was like, I guess that's
Speaker 2: why it stands out as the family films because I
Speaker 2: could watch it with my parents and feel a little
Speaker 2: bit grown up as well.
Speaker 1: No, I think what is the film that is as
Speaker 1: good or better than the book?
Speaker 2: Had to go on a film that I've actually read
Speaker 2: the book of what I'm talking out my ass? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think ghost World, even though I no, it's a
Speaker 2: graphic novel, but I think that is as good as
Speaker 2: as good as the I wouldn't say I think better is,
Speaker 2: but I like how they expand the world of it,
Speaker 2: and there's all the stuff and ghost in the comic
Speaker 2: book that I wanted to see more of is what
Speaker 2: they expand on. They don't change the tone of it.
Speaker 2: It looks like the comic book has come to life.
Speaker 2: They've really they've cast it perfectly, the jokes as well,
Speaker 2: Land just as well, and the characters also. It like
Speaker 2: completely was how I grew up in keptn with like
Speaker 2: two like you know friends who were girls in my
Speaker 2: year who were into alternative music and stuff. And how
Speaker 2: they treat that boy in that film was a lot
Speaker 2: of the time how I felt. I felt, Yeah, they
Speaker 2: got this power over me that I really quote, I
Speaker 2: don't really want to go around doing doing all these
Speaker 2: stupid things, but pretty much joinnething they tell me do. So, Yeah,
Speaker 2: some of it really really spoke to grown up in
Speaker 2: a town where it felt like nothing happens and having
Speaker 2: just like walk around trying to make more out of
Speaker 2: your day and getting obsessed with like there was a
Speaker 2: weird older guy in Ketrin as well who would occasionally
Speaker 2: hang out with. It kind of was similar to that book.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I really like how they expanded the
Speaker 2: world and it still felt like everything identified with in
Speaker 2: the comic book. It grew that out and I still
Speaker 2: identified with it all and can still like even more
Speaker 2: say oh, yeah, this is what I connected with.
Speaker 1: It's still still there. Are you still friends with Scully
Speaker 1: Hanson and Dora.
Speaker 2: Sirch No?
Speaker 1: No, do you know where they are? Do you know
Speaker 1: what happened to him?
Speaker 2: I know one of them is definitely still and kept
Speaker 2: because they bump into a few years ago.
Speaker 1: It. Did she still have power?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Instantly started punching myself in the face for her amusement. No,
Speaker 2: I think the power's gone, and you could tell in
Speaker 2: her eyes she was gutted.
Speaker 1: Furious set it himself. What is the what is the
Speaker 1: this one? I assume you have a lot on what's
Speaker 1: your favorite score to a film? Now I've asked you
Speaker 1: in one of the other episodes, what's the favorite soundtrack,
Speaker 1: by which I mean these songs. This I'm talking about
Speaker 1: composed score for a film. Yeah, this is weird because
Speaker 1: I don't like the film.
Speaker 2: I liked it when it came out because whatever age
Speaker 2: I was, and so then I really and it was
Speaker 2: the first soundtrack that I mega got into and then
Speaker 2: I got into all the soundtracks. Is John Bryan's iHeart
Speaker 2: Huggerbe's soundtrack.
Speaker 1: Hundred one hundred percent degree? You love that soundtrack? Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, however old it was when the film came out
Speaker 2: as a teenager, I think, and it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great, that's so clever. Oh, it's genius. And now
Speaker 2: I'm like, na, no, I don't. I don't really think
Speaker 2: that's a very good film. But I yeah, brilliant performance
Speaker 2: is in it. I think more probably just the writing
Speaker 2: and direction of an absolute maniac maybe pushed it off
Speaker 2: the rails. But and you know, I'll only watch films
Speaker 2: of his that have Amy Adams in them now. But
Speaker 2: she didn't like him either, so that that makes me
Speaker 2: double down in my statement the John Bryan score. So
Speaker 2: it was the first time I remember really really noticing
Speaker 2: a score in a film and loving it. I think
Speaker 2: it was great, and actually seeking it out online and
Speaker 2: buying it and listening to it outside of watching the film.
Speaker 2: So it's got to be that. And then also I
Speaker 2: then started watching or like I'd seek out what else
Speaker 2: he had done soundtracks for, and he was doing a
Speaker 2: lot of soundtracks for a lot of cool films around
Speaker 2: that point as well, since the first time I started
Speaker 2: paying attention to film score was his films, And I
Speaker 2: actually just love his entire career. I think he's a
Speaker 2: fascinating person. But like, yeah, that the main theme from that,
Speaker 2: the waltz kind of like because he played this old
Speaker 2: organ for it. I think they got in this really old,
Speaker 2: crazy organ that he could use in this massive like
Speaker 2: church type room and it was like one of a kind,
Speaker 2: like not many of them left anymore, and he composed
Speaker 2: it all on that. Yeah, all of it's great. I
Speaker 2: think each film that he does a score for, there's
Speaker 2: always like a song that's got some lyrics on it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's he is so good at summing up what
Speaker 2: the film is about in a song.
Speaker 1: It's in song that song yourself out great, Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Brilliant, so good. I'd say it nails the message of
Speaker 2: the film better than the film.
Speaker 1: Does you know what. I went to see that film
Speaker 1: at the London Film Festival and he they introduced the
Speaker 1: film by having him play that song live on stage,
Speaker 1: and I thought exactly that. I was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: should have done this in the other order, because you
Speaker 1: peaked and then you said the film and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: but he said it better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he knows what he's on about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said a chatting with him, I.
Speaker 2: Had a little playlist for a while on my iTunes
Speaker 2: of just all the John Brian some on some films
Speaker 2: that had.
Speaker 1: Lyrics and his stuff with Kanye's the best stuff.
Speaker 2: That He did an amazing album in twenty twenty where
Speaker 2: with Matt Miller, who passed away before the album came
Speaker 2: out and John Brian had to finish it. And you
Speaker 2: know when those rare instances where someone actually nails that,
Speaker 2: usually people then ruin it and it's sacrilegious to have
Speaker 2: released it. But that album's superb.
Speaker 1: He does Eternal Sunshine as well, right, I think.
Speaker 2: Sunshine Magnolia, The Breakup, I love The Breakup underrated yeah,
Speaker 2: he's very good.
Speaker 1: What is your favorite single set piece in a film
Speaker 1: that isn't a classic film overall?
Speaker 2: Favorite question? I love this question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it is. And this is a
Speaker 2: film full of set pieces, but it's not classic, but
Speaker 2: I like it. It's when I've just put when the
Speaker 2: Dweed shoots everyone in Hard Times at the l Royale,
Speaker 2: so I really like I love that Bad Times at
Speaker 2: the l Royales. Sorry, apologies to everyone involved in making
Speaker 2: the film. You were better than that Bad Times at
Speaker 2: the Old Royal, which a film I like, I enjoyed
Speaker 2: I won't see at the cinema twice because I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed it for it was really fun film.
Speaker 1: And that's why I departed that film. I've watched that
Speaker 1: film so many times. I think it's brilliant, so very
Speaker 1: able because of how fun it is. I love films
Speaker 1: a big set pieces in them, which I think end
Speaker 1: up being the ones I can rewatch the most because
Speaker 1: it's just like constantly fun. And the one where I
Speaker 1: don't know his name, Bill Pullman's son Lewis gets up
Speaker 1: and designs he's just gonna like shoot them all. It's
Speaker 1: pretty incredible because it's a very satisfying payoff to that
Speaker 1: character's arc that he's been pushed around the whole thing
Speaker 1: and being a dewey But actually the reason why he's
Speaker 1: like that is because he can't. He can't let the
Speaker 1: beast down, he can't let the monster out, and he's
Speaker 1: really reckoning and dealing with all the things that he's done.
Speaker 2: There's a very very short little shot of him in
Speaker 2: nam is It I think, and that just tells you
Speaker 2: all you need to know. And then it's just one
Speaker 2: of those very cool shots where a character stands up
Speaker 2: and you realize, oh fuck, he was Karen behind us
Speaker 2: sofa a minute ago, and now he's just stood up
Speaker 2: and he's about to absolutely waste them all and he
Speaker 2: takes them all out.
Speaker 1: This is so funny because you don't realize what a
Speaker 1: great arc we've been on that we started this episode,
Speaker 1: you started to suspect you were an intel with your choices,
Speaker 1: and then your final favorite set is a guy's been
Speaker 1: pushed around too much shoots everywhere. Yeah, wow, Wow, what
Speaker 1: a reveal, huge reveal.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot to think about. I need
Speaker 2: to go away and reflect on my choices here. It's
Speaker 2: been very revealing. I mean every single bit of this
Speaker 2: to be fair if you go for all my answers.
Speaker 1: I have talked about it so many times, but my
Speaker 1: set piece of the year that it came out is
Speaker 1: in Bad Times at the Arroyo, where she sings the
Speaker 1: song and he's hammering to her clap under the tab
Speaker 1: for fucking oh. I love that.
Speaker 2: Should be in a lot of realizing stuff. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like she's in enough stuff. Even though
Speaker 2: she's done loads and she's multi talented and all of this,
Speaker 2: I still feel like she needs to be in my stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there needs to be more lead roles. I might watch
Speaker 2: that film tonight.
Speaker 1: It's such a good film. Well, the gen James A Caster,
Speaker 1: You've come back to life as Last Pinfield, your character
Speaker 1: from ghist pastas, and you are using your expositional skills
Speaker 1: to try and solve the climate crisis and trying not
Speaker 1: let your ego to be the best climate crisis scientist
Speaker 1: get in the way of actually saving the world and
Speaker 1: causing more destruction. Yes, you are welcome to this new existence,
Speaker 1: but that you must choose one film to take with
Speaker 1: you when you're like hanging out with your climate change
Speaker 1: science buddies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I've stayed on theme here. I've been reincarnated.
Speaker 2: It's a recent one. Past Lives. I love Past Lives.
Speaker 2: It's it's one of the rare films that you know,
Speaker 2: you proper for me. Yeah, I kind of at the
Speaker 2: end of watching it, just like instantly. That's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite films. Really, that's straight to the heart, makes
Speaker 2: you really feel something that you haven't felt in that
Speaker 2: film hasn't made you feel.
Speaker 3: In a while.
Speaker 2: Love it and also come on thematically, I've nailed it.
Speaker 2: I've been and I'm going to playing Past Lives.
Speaker 1: Let's hope you don't come back more in selly this time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that problem. I love Past Life so very much. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say much about it because I did
Speaker 1: record my Films of the Year special with nich the
Speaker 1: other day, Films of twenty twenty three, which I'll probably
Speaker 1: release around August. But I do talk about Past Lives
Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes because I love it so much.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: It's a top ten all time. That's opposite. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is your new life. I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is I've come back as.
Speaker 1: You're an outset. You're an out by the genie. Thank
Speaker 1: you for doing this podcast every hundred episodes. You're a
Speaker 1: joy and a delay and you are beloved by all
Speaker 1: in the UK.
Speaker 2: Surely this is the last one.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see.
Speaker 2: If you're still going another one hundred episodes. Me and
Speaker 2: you're going to have either you've absolutely torpedoed your career
Speaker 2: or you continue to not accept the fact that you
Speaker 2: are way too busy for this.
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. In this Raye short window,
Speaker 1: we have, honest to.
Speaker 2: God, Bret, I feel like if you want a film reference,
Speaker 2: I feel like Ben Affleck in Goodwill Hunting. The best
Speaker 2: part of my day is waiting for you to log
Speaker 2: onto Zoom because maybe, just maybe you won't do it,
Speaker 2: and then I'll know that you've gone on to achieve
Speaker 2: your full potential.
Speaker 1: You're a movie star. Hello, you are happy, happy reincarnation.
Speaker 1: Good day to you.
Speaker 2: Say that's worse to yourself. You need to say those
Speaker 2: worse to yourself. This is ridiculous. I love doing it.
Speaker 2: I love doing it every time.
Speaker 1: So that was episode three hundred. Head over to the
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Speaker 1: everyone who listens to the podcast. We've come a long way,
Speaker 1: haven't we. Bloody our three hundred ridiculous anyway, Next one
Speaker 1: a fucking banger, so many bangers come in, You're gonna
Speaker 1: love it. Thank you to everyone who listens. I hope
Speaker 1: you're all well. Thank you so much to the You
Speaker 1: Need for giving me his time. Thanks to Scrubius, Pip
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Speaker 1: producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and Will Ferrell's Big Money
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Speaker 1: I hope you're all well. Thank you as ever. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime, have a lovely week and please be
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