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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom never told you from house toports

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and today we're talking about our zips. Yeah, ours,

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Speaker 1: just ours, only the zits on the faces of Kristen

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Speaker 1: and Caroline. Yeah. So I know you've all been waiting

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Speaker 1: for this, So strap on your seatbelts and get ready

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Speaker 1: for a wild ride as we just complain about how

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Speaker 1: we are women in our thirties who break out. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing too, about this whole being women in our

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Speaker 1: thirties breaking out if it No one warned us about

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Speaker 1: adult acne. No, they did not know. I was. I

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Speaker 1: still at thirty two. I am still fully under the impression,

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Speaker 1: even though I am a woman in my thirties with acne,

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Speaker 1: I'm still fully under the impression that acne is nothing

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Speaker 1: but a thing that adol since suffer from, and then

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Speaker 1: you get to overcome it, and then you come out

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Speaker 1: the other side with beautiful clear skin and you live

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Speaker 1: happily ever after. And maybe you do live happily ever after,

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Speaker 1: but you might also have acne at the same time.

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Speaker 1: It's all been such a lie. It's yes, my whole

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Speaker 1: life is a lie Disney movies and acne, So I

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Speaker 1: wanna make a Pixar film out of that. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's so sad, because I want anthropomorphized my hormonal acne.

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Speaker 1: Please hangs out on my jawline. Yeah, these two on

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Speaker 1: my cheeks. I never so it's really weird. And we'll

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Speaker 1: get into it more in the episode, which is not

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Speaker 1: going to just be as complaining, I promise, But I

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Speaker 1: have two giant ones on my cheek right now, which

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Speaker 1: is crazy because when I was younger, even when I

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Speaker 1: was going through puberty, I never ever ever broke out

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Speaker 1: on my cheeks ever, only ever broke out in the

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Speaker 1: tea zone. And so now that I am in my

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Speaker 1: breaking out in like the strangest, most awful places and

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Speaker 1: I hate it well. And and the whole thing about

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Speaker 1: adult acne is how it is so different, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: from the acne that we experienced in adolescents in our

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Speaker 1: teen years, and doctors are still puzzled by the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know what would be really nice as if

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Speaker 1: people could start warning us at an earlier age. This

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Speaker 1: is part of growing up. Acne is a fact not

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Speaker 1: just of middle school and high school. But you're what

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Speaker 1: what are we in school now? Uh? Work school and

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Speaker 1: career school run up school the worst. Uh. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about adult acne, and obviously we're going to focus

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Speaker 1: on adult acne and women, because ladies, if you suspected it,

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Speaker 1: it's true, it is more likely to happen to us.

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Speaker 1: And if you are also suspecting that has to do

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Speaker 1: with hormones, you are probably correct, as we will talk about.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and let this be a comfort

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Speaker 1: to all of you out there, like Caroline and me

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Speaker 1: who are juggling all sorts of retine creams and moisturizers

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Speaker 1: and clendomias and lotions in the morning and potions at night,

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Speaker 1: that acne is a fact of life for grown ass ladies.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And maybe it's stress, maybe it's pollution, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's a food sensitivity or something. Maybe you're touching your

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Speaker 1: face too much, but like Kristen said, like people just

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Speaker 1: aren't really sure why. And of course hormones too. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about hormones. We've got to talk about hormones. But

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Speaker 1: you're in good companies. So there was a twelve study

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Speaker 1: in the General of Women's Health that looked at nearly

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Speaker 1: three thousand women between the ages of ten and seventy. Pause,

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Speaker 1: news flash, my mother who is sixty seven? How old

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Speaker 1: am I out? Yeah, she's sixty seven. She gets the

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Speaker 1: occasional ZiT too. Just prepare yourself. Anyway, they looked at

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Speaker 1: all these women between ten and seventy and found that

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Speaker 1: more than a quarter had clinical acne, while an additional

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Speaker 1: this gave me more comfort as well. Within that group

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Speaker 1: of three thousand women, forty percent of those between twenty

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Speaker 1: women thirty one to forty had clinical acne. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: twelve percent of women forty one to fifty also had

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Speaker 1: clinical acne. So it doesn't necessarily disappear as we get older. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the luck keeps on coming. Women are far more

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Speaker 1: likely than men to have adult acne. The study found

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Speaker 1: that a disproportionate number of women develop adult acne compared

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Speaker 1: but you're in good company. Yeah, and there are two

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Speaker 1: primary types of acne. You'll either have continuing acne, which

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey, hey, since you're all grown up now,

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Speaker 1: big deal. Well yeah, and then it just once it's

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Speaker 1: its time. And so adult onset acne, this, this late

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Speaker 1: just so many things to look forward to. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: back to because Pico's was actually how helpful for doctors

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Speaker 1: determining more effective treatments for adult acne because it is

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Speaker 1: whether acne shifts depending on ethnicity and really across the board,

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Speaker 1: it just happens. Now there there are questions as to

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Speaker 1: course once you have dealt with acne, that's not like

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Speaker 1: the end, that's not the end of the equation. No,

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Speaker 1: you have to deal with something called post inflammatory pigmentation,

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Speaker 1: which is those red spots that can linger for months

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Speaker 1: degree to which you suffer from this is genetic. You

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Speaker 1: can make it worse by squeezing or picking at those pimples.

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Speaker 1: And the highest rates though you know, we taked Kristen

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Speaker 1: different places. So you'll find adult acne on places like

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Speaker 1: the way, listeners, Caroline is not riddled with it that

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Speaker 1: be great. And so that jawline, chin and neck place

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Speaker 1: meant that you find with adult acne is compared with

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Speaker 1: and it only is effective on that teenage acne. And

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Speaker 1: this is coming from a fantastic article on adult acne

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Speaker 1: over at Racked magazine. UM and doctors aren't entirely sure

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Speaker 1: the fuel of all of our pimples. Really yeah, but

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Uh, so she mentioned Kristen mentioned the Racked

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Speaker 1: article that we read. It was very super informative and

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Speaker 1: we recommend that you read it should be over in

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Speaker 1: But there's it's gross. I mean there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: horrifying chemical process to think, for sure, all of us

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Speaker 1: a bacteria called the propione bacterium, which sounds like a

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Speaker 1: friendly Italian bacteria. So now I'm imagining the pimple that

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Speaker 1: now it's on a vespa is it very little striped shirt? Yes,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, well, our vesper writing Propio Bacterium acnes lives

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Speaker 1: Not a pizza or a pasta, but the sea bum

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Speaker 1: very frustrated right now. Um, but that bacteria, the propione

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Speaker 1: Bacterium acnes, is what leads to infection, causing the skin

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Speaker 1: basically a step away from prostitutes. So having a clear

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00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: complexion was of the utmost importance for so many of

426
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: these women. Well, yeah, especially for the Victorian women who

427
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: thought that black heads were flesh worms crawling out of

428
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: their skin. Yeah, we found this historical note over XO

429
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: vein and I love flash hate the imagery of that.

430
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of hilarious. Um. But they would remedy in

431
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: similar ways as we might today. They would steam, but

432
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: they would also do sulfur treatments. They would alternate steam

433
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: and sulfur to clear out all those flesh worms. Come on, well,

434
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: now I'm picturing the little cockney worm from the movie Labyrinth.

435
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: Hello did you just say hello? Now? I said hello

436
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: and seen. Um. It's it's worth noting that in nineteen two,

437
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: sears was selling Dr Roses arsenic complexion waivers and the

438
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: ad is hysterical mainly and I mean this in the

439
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: funny way, not the uterous way. Um, mainly because they

440
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: super duper emphasize how safe this arsenic is, ladies, so

441
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: take it for those flesh worms. Unlike that poisonous our

442
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: snic right, these are snake waivers are totally fine. And

443
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: and judging by the number of advertisements that came up

444
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: in my very scientific Google image search, because yes, I

445
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: wanted to see how this was advertised, it was pretty popular,

446
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: this whole arsenic wafer complexion. So all I'm saying is maybe,

447
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm gonna get my hands on Dr Roses

448
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: going a little eBay hunt. No, look, I get it,

449
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: like when you struggle with adult hormone anal cystic acne,

450
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: like you will try anything. And and I have literally

451
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: read women's testimonials saying such when you start googling and

452
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: land on message boards and things like that for women

453
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: talking about acne. I mean, these people will literally try anything,

454
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: and that includes things that are known to harm your skin.

455
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: So it's not so surprising that arsenic complexion wafers were

456
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: all the jam back in the day. Well yeah, I mean,

457
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: like and speaking to that, it's not just vanity of like,

458
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: oh well, my skin doesn't look good. I can't possibly

459
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: go out in public. But also the pain of cystic acne.

460
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: That's something that we didn't even get into, where if

461
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: you have really intensistic acne, even just hair brushing against

462
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: your face. Oh yeah, see this one right here. I'm

463
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: pointing to one on my cheek. It's like it's it's

464
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: shrinking down a little bit now, but when it first

465
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: popped up, it was really painful. I had to sleep

466
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: on the other side of the pillow face. My face

467
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: had to be facing. It doesn't matter anyway, it hurt. Well,

468
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: you know what else hurt? Chastity pimples. How about that

469
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: for a segue, Caroline, I love it. Um. I enjoyed

470
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: this highlight from twentieth century acne history that apparently into

471
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, zits were called chastity pimples, especially if

472
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: they were on girls, because they were associated with both

473
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: abstinence and also masturbation. So there's always been this like

474
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: strange moralizing of acne as well, because for a long

475
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: time we i mean, it's always been considered kind of

476
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: dirty and by extension, a reflection of your moral character.

477
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: If we're going back into progressive Edwardian especially Victorian times,

478
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: if we're getting super waspy, Yeah, that's that is the

479
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: assumption that we tend to make about people with acne

480
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: that they are just not You're just not doing a

481
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: good enough job cleaning your face. And it's like, oh

482
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: my god, as any person who struggles with acne will

483
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: tell you, trust me, I am cleaning my face well.

484
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: And also the misunderstanding that, oh, if I wash my

485
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: face more, it's gonna get worse. Friend, you clearly don't

486
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: know how sebum works. Just pumps out when you strip

487
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: it all away. You've got to have some oil colon,

488
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: because then it just makes your face angry. Your face

489
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you're gonna take on my oil? Huh huh. Well,

490
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: here's some more I'm gonna do a butter buffet coming

491
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: back dip some truth in that. I really feel like

492
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm ruining butter for you. It's fine, nothing can truly

493
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: ruin better for me, even this conversation. But that whole

494
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: moralizing of acne, I think still affects us today because

495
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: some of the articles we were reading noted how this

496
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: is not a life threatening condition. You can live to

497
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: be as old as you want with it's on your face.

498
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: So why why do we worry so much about it?

499
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Why are we selling out all this money? Why are

500
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: we going to these doctors? What's going on? Well, because

501
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: it has a psychological impact on us as well, not

502
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: to mention, yes, the pain aspect and discomfort, but there's

503
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: also the perception. We know that people look at us

504
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: differently if we have especially visible acne. And still I

505
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: think that lingering association of acne with dirtiness, Yeah, And

506
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean I don't even know if you could call

507
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: it lingering. I still think it's like full fledged, a

508
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: full fledged assumption by a lot of people. Well, and

509
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: if we look at tabloid culture today and how female

510
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: celebrities especially are scrutinized. Reading up for this podcast, maybe

511
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: think a of proactive commercials where suddenly you know you

512
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: have like, oh, Jessica Simpson has acne. Okay, I guess

513
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I feel better. I guess I'll buy these products. But

514
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: then you have all of the celebrity tabloid editions where

515
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: it starts without makeup, and it's always hyper close ups

516
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: to show that, hey, look, doesn't she look terrible? Look

517
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: at her, you know, discolored face and bags in her

518
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: eyes and her hormonal acne. Yeah, if you zoomed out

519
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: just a little, it should probably look like a normal human. Yeah, yeah, anyone,

520
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: anyone's face blown up looks a little strange. Um. But Caroline,

521
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: do you think that we are combating this culture at

522
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: all by the whole no makeup selfie trend? You do

523
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: see more celebrities, female celebrities choosing to take photos of

524
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: their acne. I know, Lord, for instance, is a big

525
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: fan of the no makeup selfie. I don't know. I

526
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: mean a bunch of beauty bloggers do that too. Show

527
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: more and more. I feel like they're coming out and

528
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: showing there before skin. Um, and I don't know if that,

529
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what effect that really has. You can

530
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, Wow, you've also got bad skin,

531
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: just like me. You're just like whomever. Uh, but then

532
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: look at how great you are covering it up. So yeah,

533
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, Okay, well, that's great to know

534
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: how to cover it up effectively. But call me back

535
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: when you've got a solution. Yeah, call me back when

536
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: it's okay if I don't cover it up. Yes, I

537
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: mean I'm not very good about covering up my acne

538
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: every day. I Um, I don't know, Like foundation feels

539
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: so heavy on my face that I just can't do it,

540
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: and especially since I have to paint my face on

541
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: so meticulously for making videos. Yeah, she completely doesn't have

542
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: a face. It's really weird, no face at all. It's

543
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: very strange. Point. Um, I just see I just see

544
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: the buffalo check shirt floating in front of me. Well,

545
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: what can we do with the faces that we do have?

546
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: Unlike me? Well, okay, so luckily birth control oral contraceptives

547
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: do help. They block androgen's which, as you would imagine

548
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: from our preceding conversation, do curb acne. Uh. And oral

549
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: contraceptives like yes and yasmin or two that were named

550
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: I used to be on there of those, I was

551
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: on Yasmin from the time I was eighteen too, I

552
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: think twenty nine, and my skin was pretty, It was fine,

553
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: you know whatever. It was fine, the occasional pimple, the

554
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: occasional period breakout or whatever. But when I switched from

555
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: the pill to the Skyla i u D which is

556
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: like Morena's little sister, my skin exploded. And that essentially

557
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: brings us up to today if you have the Caroline

558
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: trivia history um and so Kristin and I were both

559
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: really curious about that because we both use i u

560
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: D s and it's like, well, if one birth control

561
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: knocks pimpils out of the park, then why isn't this

562
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: other one? And it has a lot to do with

563
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: the hormone progestine. So Skyla, for instance, does not have estrogen.

564
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: It has the progestine leave on adjustal, which is derived

565
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: from testosterone, and acne is one of several possible side effects.

566
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: And of course, so if you have a copper i

567
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: u D which is non hormonal, it will not then

568
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: affect your hormonal acne, so you don't have to worry

569
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: about that. But I remember shortly after I got my

570
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: io D going to my dermatologist and being like, help, maybe,

571
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: what's going on with me? Why am I breaking out

572
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: like a teenager? And she said did it start about

573
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: ninety days after you got your iu D? And I

574
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: said yes, And she said I see it in every

575
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: patient who comes in with an I E D, that

576
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: if they are switching from the pill to the iu D,

577
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: that they end up experiencing hormonal acne. Not that the

578
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: iu D causes it necessarily, more that I think if

579
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: you were already prone to it for whatever hormonal or

580
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: environmental reason, that the iu D then because it doesn't

581
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: have estrogen, because it has a progestine that's made from testosterone,

582
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: that it's just going to sort of be a little

583
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: boost to your natural acne inclinations. Well, and that explains

584
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: why I now have issues with hormonal acne as well,

585
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: because I've had my Marina iu D going on six

586
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: years now, and because of that, partially uh I now

587
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: go to a dermatologist who has described me retine cream

588
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: and retin a cream has been kind of like the

589
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: wonder drug of adult acne um. And the way retin

590
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: a cream works is by causing our skin cells to

591
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: divide more rapidly and making them less likely to clog,

592
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: so in that whole zip production, it's sort of um

593
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: makes it harder for all that gunk to get stuck

594
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: in those clogged pores as well, And the American Academy

595
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: of Dermatology said in acne patients of any age, dermatologists

596
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: considered topical retinoids, which are medications that contained vitamin A derivatives,

597
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the first line therapy for mint to moderate inflammatory acne

598
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: accompanied by blackheads and white heads. So basically it's the

599
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: go to thing. Yeah, well, I have not tried retina

600
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: as an adult. It was one of the thousands upon

601
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of products I tried as a teenager

602
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: when I was breaking out so badly. But back then

603
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: it was super harsh on my skin, and my skin

604
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: was always red and inflamed. I didn't have anyone telling

605
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: me like they do in every women's magazine now that like,

606
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: if you're going to use a retinal product to maybe

607
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: break it up, maybe use it every other day or

608
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: every two days, rather than using it every single day

609
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: right out of the gate um I have started using.

610
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: He has an extremely overprized retinal night cream that I

611
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: got at Sephora, which and we'll see how that goes.

612
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: So I have no idea. Yeah. I mean that's the

613
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: thing about retina. It whether you are gradually doing it

614
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: or not, it will make your skin worse before it

615
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: gets better. So that's a fun thing when you go

616
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: to the dermatologist because you're so fun up with your

617
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: acne and you want to do something about it, and

618
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: she'll be like, oh, this will make it perfect, but

619
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: first you're gonna look even worse for like six weeks.

620
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: Don't worry. But my newest the newest item in my

621
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: acne arsenal is sperano lactone. Yeah. So this is a diuretic.

622
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: Actually was first developed in the fifties late fifties and

623
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: used to treat hypertension and patients with heart failure. But

624
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: those ever vigilant doctors noticed mainly because women were telling

625
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: them that it was helpful for alleviating polycystic ovarian syndrome

626
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: symptoms but also helping clear up these women's skin. Yeah. So,

627
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: the way it works is by affecting the way androgens

628
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: are produced, and essentially it blocks the receptors and androgen

629
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: cells that tell skin glands to produce more sea bum

630
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: and contribute to acne and the way I think it

631
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: was Racked Magazine described it was that it also mops

632
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: up excess testosterone. CA well, no, because I wrote that

633
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: down on my notes too, because I thought it was

634
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: so freaking disgusting. Oh, I just thought it was such

635
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: a delightful image of like this little janitor. I love

636
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Speaker 1: how we have such completely different perceptions. Let's bring in

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Speaker 1: more acne characters. All right, let's let's bring back the

638
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: mustachio janitor from Futurama. He can be sweezing spiralactone. Yeah,

639
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: he's mopping it up. Or or it could be I

640
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: guess the mops and brooms from Fantasia, the magical magical

641
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: testosterone mop. But you know what I've bed, If one

642
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 1: of our talented illustrator listeners could could make this cast

643
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: of characters like cute and adorable, then maybe acne wouldn't

644
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: seem so bad. You know, we just we could teach

645
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: how zits are formed with you know, just like fun, cute,

646
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: little little adorable people. Yes, send those to us right away.

647
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: I need them. But okay, well, so the thing with

648
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: this medicine, though, is that it's still has not been

649
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: approved by the FDA for acne prevention use, but my

650
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: dermatologist actually prescribed it to me. I did a little

651
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: bit of research and realized that because it was originally

652
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: a hypertension drug and I have incredibly low blood pressure anyway,

653
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: that it was not such a good idea for me.

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00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: And of course there are other side effects potential side

655
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: effects anyway, like the lower blood pressure I just mentioned.

656
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: Also potassium retention, increased your nation minstrel irregularities, and breast tenderness,

657
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: and some people all the internet also reported weight gain

658
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: and decreased muscle mass, saying that if you're an athlete,

659
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: you might want to just be careful if you're on it. Yeah,

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00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: before I was prescribed, I had to get in e

661
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Speaker 1: k G to make sure that my blood pressure could

662
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Speaker 1: withstand it, and I passed with flying colors. Not to brag,

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00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: hashtag blast. What's your what's your normal blood pressure? I

664
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Speaker 1: don't know, like stressed over trying to relax? Okay, Yeah,

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00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: mine's mind's typically like a hundred over sixty or something,

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Speaker 1: So I felt like I just couldn't really afford to

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Speaker 1: have it drop any lower. But I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: if if any of you out there, I really have

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Speaker 1: low blow pressure and take this medicine. Just let me

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Speaker 1: know question, Well, do you have any interest in blue

671
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: light therapy because this seems like the newest hottest thing

672
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: because the way blue light therapy and apparently there's red

673
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: light therapy as well, the way it works is by

674
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: supposedly killing those propioni bacteria magnes. It wipes out our

675
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: vestpi gang. It doesn't get rid of your androgen's just

676
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: those pesky bacteria with the Italian accents. Um. Yeah, you're

677
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: supposed to sit under this blue light one time a

678
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: week for about six to eight weeks. And I did

679
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: a little googling because I definitely treated this research like

680
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: it was my own for my own personal problems. And

681
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, wait, you can get a

682
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: blue light thing at Sephora. And I started reading about it,

683
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people, like a bunch of people

684
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: said yes, it worked, wonders. A whole other slew of

685
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: people said it did nothing. And then there was another

686
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: group of people who said it actually made their acne worse.

687
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: And so I tried to google some more stuff about it.

688
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it works. It's supposed to sort of

689
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: help dry up that bacteria dry up that acne um,

690
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't find anything in my very cursory glance

691
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: at Google that was like, yes, definitely, definitely do this,

692
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: and here's why it definitely works. I'm skeptical of it. Yeah,

693
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: it seems kind of like woo woo science stuff, but hey,

694
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I as someone who has gone to an acupuncturist to

695
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: fight migrants. If it works for you, it works for you. Well.

696
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: And let's talk about some lifestyle tips as well as

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00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: we wrap up, because these don't cost the thing, just

698
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: like love and are really just healthy overall. And a

699
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff many of our listeners have probably

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00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: heard before, but we'll talk about why it matters. The

701
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: first thing, regulating stress. The fact that my blood pressure

702
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: is stressed over trying to relax over always anxious um

703
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: promotes acne because the stress hormone cortisol gets broken down

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00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: when I get really stressed. Out into Androwgen's and they're

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00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 1: the andrew Gens again, and we all know what andrew

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00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: Gen's do. They ramp up those butter buckets. That's right,

707
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: gross um, But don't even think that popping out for

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00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: a smoke break is going to help you to relax

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00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: and reduce those breakouts. According to the Journal of the

710
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: American Academy of Dermatology, smoking itself can spark a breakout.

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00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: They found an association between smoking an adult acne, specifically

712
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: white heads and blackheads in women. But if you do

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00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: want to comfort eat, you can do some of that.

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00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: But the greasy food thing is not the issue. It's

715
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: not the grease. If we go back to our acne pizza,

716
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: that grease on the pepperonis isn't the problem. It's more

717
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: the crust, I know. According to the Mayo Clinic, studies

718
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: have found the dietary factories including dairy products and car

719
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: rich foods like some of my favorite things bread, bagels,

720
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: and chips may trigger acne. And NPR look deeper into

721
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: this issue and scientists seem to think that it's the

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00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: high glycemic foods like white bread, pasta, crackers, that highly

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00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: refined um food that leads to blood sugar spikes, which

724
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: then promotes the acne because blood sugar and tinkers with

725
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: our hormones, that of course will trigger see them over production. Yeah,

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00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: and and several different things we looked at in terms

727
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: of the difference between adult acne versus teenage acne. A

728
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: lot of these sources talked about the issue of drier skin.

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00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: So as you get older, your oil production slows your

730
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: your skin kind of even down in that regard. But

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Speaker 1: it is that drier skin issue that can contribute to acne.

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00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: I know, I've noticed with my own skin that when

733
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: the weather turns cold, the humidity get zapped out of

734
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: the air. I break out right at the change of

735
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: the seasons because it is that that dryness. But if

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00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: you'll drink in, that's also going to dry your skin out.

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00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: So wine and pizza night has been ruined for me. Yeah,

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00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: we'll replace it with um water and um water and

739
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: broccoli night. We could just juice. Go back to our

740
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: juicing podcast. That's what we'll do there, we go um. Yeah.

741
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: Alcohol of course contains sugar, and so that can tinker

742
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: with our skin and our hormones, and of course it

743
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: dehydrates us. And when it comes to skincare basics, staying

744
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: hydrated is really important, getting enough sleep, making sure that

745
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: all those moisturizers and potions that we're putting on our

746
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: face are non chomotogenic, meaning they won't clog our pores.

747
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: What else, Caroline, a lot of things you'll see online

748
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: recommend switching to those free detergents meaning scent free, die

749
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: free that are supposed to irritate sensitive skin less. You

750
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: should definitely be switching out your pillowcases and your towels

751
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: like every couple of days. I know that sounds ridiculous,

752
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: but when all that bacteria and skin cells and oil

753
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: gets trapped in all those fibers, you're just rubbing it

754
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: back into your skin. So do yourself a favor and

755
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: change them every couple of days. Well, now, listeners, do

756
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: you have tips on adult acne? And is this ringing

757
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: true for you as well? Mom Stuff at how stuff

758
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: works dot com is where you can send all of

759
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: your dermatological thoughts. You can also tweet us at Mom's

760
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: Stuff podcasts or messages on Facebook. And if anything, I

761
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: think that we just really need to take advantage of

762
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: the camaraderie of Lady Acne, because y'all it's a fact

763
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: of life. And now we have some letters to share

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Speaker 1: with you from you. I have a letter here from

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00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: Rachel and fonds to our episode on Lube. She says, Hey,

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00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: see and see I love the show and how you

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00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: both inform and entertained listeners At the same time, I

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00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: was really excited to see that you were going to

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00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: talk about lube this episode and was not disappointed at

770
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: your take on the subject. I never understood why lube

771
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 1: was considered so controversial, since in my experience as assist woman,

772
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: lube only helps and makes things more fun, whether I'm

773
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: with a partner or alone. I'm kind of the mom

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00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: friend in my group, and one of my unofficial hats

775
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: as the mom friend, is talking with my friends, some

776
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: of whom are a few years younger than me, about

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00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: sex positivity. I'm always advocating lube, so much so that

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00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: if anyone has a question about it, I'm the one

779
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: to turn to. Kind of a funny and unexpected role

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00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: to have, but I fully embrace it. I've used a

781
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: bunch of different lubes, but my go to is liquid

782
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: H two oh. It's a little pricey twelve dollars usually,

783
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: but you get so much use out of it and

784
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: it lasts a long time. It's glycerin and pair of

785
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: and free and vegan as well. Really, anything in the

786
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: liquid line of products I trust. The Slickid Sassy gel

787
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: is good for anal lubricant because it's thicker but it's

788
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: still water based. Since I used silicone toys a lot,

789
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I just stick with water based leabes to be safe.

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00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: You don't want to grab the wrong bottle and the

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00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: heat at the moment. Another thing I wanted to mention

792
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: was flavored lubes. From what I understand, flavored lube is

793
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: only to be used for oral sex or external stimulation

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00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: because the chemicals that make the flavoring aren't or if

795
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: it's friendly. It depends by brand, of course, but it's

796
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: worth looking into a lub's ingredients before you buy it.

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00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: Those are all my thoughts on lube and the episode.

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00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: You were really comprehensive and I heard some things I've

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00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: never learned about before, So thank you for that. Keep

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00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: up the great work on the show, and Rachel, you

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00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: keep up the great work being you. Thank you well.

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00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: I've got a letter here from Lily about our hashtag

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Speaker 1: blessed episode or our episode if you're listening to it

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Speaker 1: before dinner. She writes, HI, longtime listener here to chime

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Speaker 1: in on the Lucky Girl Blessed discussion in the most

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00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: recent episode. I'm in college and still at an age

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00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: where I and most of my friends are heavily financially

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00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: supported by parents. When I see someone I went to

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Speaker 1: school with postal holiday or vacation picture or a picture

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Speaker 1: in an expensive restaurant with a hashtag lucky girl or blessed,

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Speaker 1: I actually find it quite refreshing because they're acknowledging how

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Speaker 1: lucky they are to get those travel opportunities. You talked

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Speaker 1: about lucky Girl and blessed as annoying because they make

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Speaker 1: light of the amount of hard work people put into

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Speaker 1: achieving things. I see that, but I also think it's

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Speaker 1: greating when people make it sound like they've achieved things

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00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: purely off their own backs rather than through familial help

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Speaker 1: and support. To me, the use of lucky serves to

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00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: acknowledge that, almost serving as a privilege check. I love

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Speaker 1: the podcast, so thanks Lily, and I think that that

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Speaker 1: is a completely valid perspective on that, because yeah, we

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Speaker 1: need to acknowledge where where our success comes from, whether

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Speaker 1: it's from ourselves or others. And if you have letters

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Speaker 1: to share with us, Mom stufft House Stuffworks dot Com

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