1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from seven 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: pm to ten pm Eastern four to seven Pacific on 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for the Odd 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Couple at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple. 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: I should take a bow, just bow, because my NFL 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: predictions this year have been spot on. There's no two 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: ways about it. 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: Not three, not four, not five, not six. 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: There we go. 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: And when I say that, I really. 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Believe you know what I'm talking about. And this one 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: was another one. And that's the news of the day. 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Rob G's gonna jump in because somebody I said, who 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: should be fired? 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: Week one? 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: And people said I was a prisoner of the moment 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: and you're overreacting because they blew that game in Buffalo, 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, no, John Harball should be fired. 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: That was after week one. We had seen the act. 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: And guess what, Rob G. Happened today? 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: John Harbaugh has been fired by the Baltimore ravens oh 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: snat That is the all Caps headline. There's some more 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 4: details you should know before we get to the rest 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: of this topic. John Harbaugh, despite all of his foibles 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 4: and his limp there down the finish in Week eighteen, 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 4: it must be noted that, you know, he was pretty 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: successful with Baltimore one hundred and eighty one thirteen record, 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: thirteen and eleven in the postseason, won a Super Bowl. 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: And here's my favorite stat. He won eight road playoff 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: games during his time with the Ravens, which is the 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: most in NFL history. 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: No, there's no denying his success. 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you can't get fired, or that you 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: got stale, or that every season ended in a bad way. 38 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: And Kelvin, I'm here for all the sympathizers and all 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: the people who are like, oh, well, he didn't miss 40 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: the field goal, he didn't fumble at the goal line. 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: He didn't miss the two point convergion. 42 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: How can you blame John Harball for what's happened in 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: the offseason, I mean in the postseason the last few years. 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: You know how you can blame John Harball Because when 45 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: he won the Super Bowl and they made the catchers 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: and the touchdowns, he got a contract extension, he was 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: lifted up by the team and carried off the field 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: even though he didn't throw a touchdown, he didn't cutch 49 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: a touchdown, he didn't rush fo one hundred and fifty yards, 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: he didn't make a sack. It comes with the job. 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: When you win, Kelvin and your team does well, guess 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: what the coach gets credit. When the team doesn't play 53 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: well and they fumble the ball and miss a game 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: winning field goal and win the game, lose the game 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: that they supposed to win the division, you take the blame. 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: The Baltimore Ravens did the only thing that made sense. 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: Eighteen years is enough. I said it the other day. 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: He's not a Supreme Court justice or pope. He's a 59 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: football coach. One that got stale. Have you ever had 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: stale potato chips? They don't taste good. 61 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: I need a new bag. And that's what happened. I'm 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: good with this. 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: This is totally I thought it might not happen because 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: it didn't happen on Monday, but they're probably thought it out. 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Gave them some respect because of the eighteen years, which 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: is fine, but this had to happen. 67 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 5: Well well, I think also it took the if you 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 5: want to say extra twenty four hours is I think 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 5: conversation Rob G and I were having that we'll have 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 5: a little bit later on. 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: I think there's some big time power play in it. Folks. 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 5: They had to talk to you, if you catch my drift, 73 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 5: to have conversations with This wasn't just a They weren't 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: walking in with a losing record, three losing season. You know, 75 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 5: as an man after this, he's the minute the game's over. 76 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 5: This isn't Rohie Morris in Atlanta or something where you're like, man, 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 5: this is we know what's up as soon as this ends. 78 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: This wasn't that. 79 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: So obviously taking twenty four hours to me is perfectly 80 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 5: fine in this scenario. 81 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: Now, let's go back to a couple of things. Something 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: you just brought up. I want to touch on. 83 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 5: He didn't kick the field goals or missed them, he 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 5: didn't fumble the ball, blah blah blah. However, there can 85 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 5: be something called a consistency on your team. There you 86 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 5: ever noticed, there gonna be teams that consistently got it done. 87 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 5: There are teams that consistently found a way. There are 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 5: teams that consistently were able to close games, close games. 89 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 5: That's a part of the nature and the culture of 90 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 5: that team. And when your team, when everyone gets shaky, 91 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 5: and by everyone, I mean the viewer, your team, the broadcatchers. 92 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 5: In a tight situation with your team, we all go, 93 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 5: I don't know about these guys. There's something that So 94 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 5: you bear the blood of that because you are the 95 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 5: leader of this team, you're the leader on this organization. 96 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: And again routine. 97 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 5: Something always went wrong, right, something always they were jittery, 98 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 5: someone went off sides, someone missed a catch, there's a 99 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 5: field goal mats, terrible play calling. 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 3: Why would you play that? 101 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 5: Why would you stop running, Dereck Henry when you've been 102 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 5: dominating the Kansas City Chiefs, Why would you stop running 103 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 5: in the other game against the Steelers, when Eagles balling 104 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 5: out in the first half one hundred and fifty sixty yards. 105 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: First the first half, half, right, first quarter? Then you 106 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: running five times. 107 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 5: There's always something And by the way, not everything is 108 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 5: going to end peachey like John Elway jumping into the 109 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 5: end zone and you know, and and riding off in 110 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 5: the sunset with a couple of Super Bowls like that 111 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 5: doesn't always happen. Sometimes it's just penomly right, It's just 112 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 5: time for us to part ways doesn't have to be beef. 113 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 5: You don't have to hate us, We don't have to 114 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 5: hate you. It's just time. We want something new. We 115 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 5: want a new voice, We want a new way to 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 5: structure our team in organization. And it's not eighteen years 117 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: into two thousands. This isn't Chuck Nole. You know, this 118 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 5: isn't Tom Landry where you know if you're that guy, 119 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 5: you're gonna get all these years. 120 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: Even Tom Landry got run out exactly. 121 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones said, it has been enough. 122 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 5: And my point is in the twenty eighteen years is 123 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 5: that's that's almost like doubling it. It's like you almost 124 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 5: got thirty six years. Al he's added another ten years 125 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 5: to it. So I think it had just run his course. 126 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 5: I don't think anything uh ill of it, meaning I 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 5: don't think he has to hate them. Obviously he's disappointed, 128 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 5: but when he looks back at it, he's had ample opportunities. 129 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 5: You and I have said, with the best player for 130 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 5: the last two or three years, wherever you want to play, Henry, 131 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 5: you have two tight ends who are quality tight ends, 132 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 5: defensive players. You've been had leads in multiple games. You 133 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 5: all time leader and blown leads and at a certain 134 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 5: point that is a reflection of you. And it's okay, 135 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 5: he's the dog. I'm okay with that. I had to do. 136 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 5: That was about me, do my math. Okay, Wow, he 137 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 5: is that cause I would have given it won a champion. 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: He's living off the one and he's living off the 139 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: one and look how bad his his and his last 140 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: ten years have been awful. 141 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: Up three to one in some series lost Milwaukee. The 142 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: only reason why I'm gonna say, I don't want to 143 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: give it. 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 5: You know that's not crazy, but the reason because Doc 145 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 5: just started remember or not well, at least I got 146 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 5: to the playoffs. 147 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: Getting up, he said, He said. At least he didn't 148 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: get swept. At least I didn't get swept. Getting up 149 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: three to one is hard. Come on, Doc, Come on Doc. 150 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: But no, this is this is to me something that 151 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: is perfectly fine. This isn't like this is where it 152 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: had to be right now because we can't see the 153 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: same movie over and over in a go over again. 154 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: And breakups are hard, but you have to do it 155 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: when it's that time, and they decided to break up 156 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: with him. 157 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 158 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm 159 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 160 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 161 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from The Odd 162 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: Couple on Fox Sports Radio. 163 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 5: And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from seven 164 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 5: to ten pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are 165 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 5: excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. 166 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: That's right, You can now watch The Odd Couple live 167 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: on YouTube every day. 168 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: All you gotta do search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube. 169 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 5: Again YouTube, Just search Odd Couple FSR. Check us out 170 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 5: on YouTube and subscribe. Another thing we were talking about 171 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 5: Rob g and I, you know, it kind of reminds 172 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: me of a little bit of Dan Campbell in that 173 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 5: obviously Dan Ky he's Dan Campbell's senior, but where you 174 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 5: trust them to like build a culture, build the camaderie. 175 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: Like the team is on point. 176 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 5: They got a one track mindor focus as far as 177 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 5: like this is what we are. But the execution, the 178 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 5: making those right calls, the having that fourth quarter where 179 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 5: you're comfortable, you believe in it, or having that final drive. 180 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: There's something missing there, you know what I mean where 181 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 5: you're just like and it's almost like still left to 182 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 5: be determined what Dan Campbell's gonna be without Ben Johnson. 183 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: And you wonder if John Harbor ben Ben Johnson type 184 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 5: of player, And that's a fair that's fair. 185 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: I just, I just I'm gonna tell you, I just 186 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: do not see Dan Gamble winning the super Bowl. 187 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 5: That was that was that was you went all the 188 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 5: way there. No, I'm just saying, yeah, I get to 189 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 5: one would be you. You spent twenty years in choice 190 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 5: getting the one would be half two thirds of a 191 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: super Bowl win right there. 192 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: No, but I don't. I just I don't see it. 193 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't see them winning. I don't see them getting there. 194 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Here's why I why would Dan Campbell. 195 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 5: Here's why I would say, it's still a possibility if 196 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 5: you had that Ben Johnson guy, if John Harbaugh had 197 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 5: his type of guy like that, you need somebody else 198 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 5: who can a little bit of fine tuning. 199 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: Because they got the rap. 200 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 5: I got everybody, people playing hard, it got this, and 201 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 5: I got we got talent, that little bit of fine tuning. 202 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 5: And I think that's what John Harbor. I just never 203 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 5: felt comfortable in the last handful of years watching them 204 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 5: that they're gonna make the right call, They're gonna make 205 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 5: the right decision, they're gonna have the right play call. 206 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 3: Guys are going to be locked in enough. 207 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 5: It's just something was always often at a certain point, 208 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 5: I got to point the finger somewhere, you know what 209 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 5: I mean. 210 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: It just seems to me it's rightly pointed at John Harball. 211 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: I agree, like, like rightly, I just I don't know 212 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: how long you can go, Like I don't know if 213 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: people really eighteen years ass place, you know what I mean, Like, 214 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: like we're not talking about he had three jobs. 215 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: In totally eighteen years. 216 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: He had eighteen years in the same place. There people 217 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: one one championship and then okay, and then they will 218 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: win in and they're in the mix. But the last 219 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: three or four years with arguably the best quarterback, and 220 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: you could say whatever you want if you watch the 221 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: AFC championship game against the Chiefs, that was not Lamar Jackson. 222 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: That was not what they did all year when they 223 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: ran the football, like like the game plan made no 224 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Anybody who watched that game. 225 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: Was like, what is this? Yeah, I mean I brought 226 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: it up even on Sunday night. What was it? 227 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 5: Like they just stopped running the ball with Derrick Henry, 228 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 5: or they didn't go to Lamar early, like Lamar had 229 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 5: to get hot in that four, but they didn't go say, 230 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 5: let's mix it up, Lamar, We're gonna start doing way 231 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 5: more RPOs where you run the ball more and get something. 232 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 5: They didn't mix it up. And that's the problem with 233 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: the John harrball led teams as of late. You just 234 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 5: felt like something was gonna be off, something one gonna 235 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 5: be right routinely when it came down to making the 236 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 5: right plays, calls or finishing a game. 237 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: You push him back on this. 238 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think you guys give Lamar Jackson 239 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: entirely too much of a pass. No, I said, Lamar Jackson, 240 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: He's great. I never said that. I said once brought 241 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 4: up the AFC Championship game. That's not all Lamar Jackson. 242 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: They didn't run the football. Lamar Jackson went twenty to 243 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: thirty seven in that game with the pick and a 244 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 4: lost fumble. Yes, but I'm up, but poorly. They happened 245 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: to have a chance to win at the end. In 246 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: spite of that. 247 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: I did Zay Flowers like drop fumble up? He did, 248 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 3: did La drop the ball. He did, he did. 249 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: Okay, how did did they get blown out in that game? 250 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: Was because the defense stepped up? What was the seventeen attempt? 251 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: All right, so there was a game there he fumbled 252 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: at the one yard line that that changed the game. 253 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: And my point is, if you go back to that season, 254 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: rob g every time they rushed for twenty I don't 255 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: know the exact number. 256 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were running team that season. 257 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: Okay, every time they rushed twenty five or more. They 258 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: had like a twelve and two record. And in that game, 259 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, then Lamar throwing the ball more. 260 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 5: Than I could have expected because they weren't even down, 261 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 5: like it was like they're down twenty to get back 262 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 5: by seven, they stopped the What did I say the 263 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 5: other day about the when when Aaron Rodgers threw forty seven? 264 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: I said forty seven attempts? 265 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: To me, if I just looked at the stats, they're down, 266 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: get down by three touchdowns, that's the only way that 267 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: I would want Aaron Rodgers to throw the football. 268 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: If we don't have to, bad things can happen. 269 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: Ge is that right on that number, like forty seven 270 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: passing attempt Aaron Rodgers shot so Roberg. 271 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 5: Here's why I get what you're saying and why I 272 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: said I do hold him accountable. The issue with Lamar 273 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 5: is if Lamar was just simply Lamar, I meaning he 274 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 5: doesn't even have to be better than he normally is 275 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 5: you get what I mean. The issue with Lamar has 276 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 5: been he's played subpar Lamar, and that's the trouble. If 277 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 5: he just was normal Lamar, like he didn't even have 278 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: to be superman, I'm agreeing with you. In most games 279 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: he's playing in the postseason, if he's just even Stevens Lamar, 280 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: which he hasn't been, he had exactly they win some 281 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 5: of those games, maybe not at all, but they win a 282 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: couple of these games. And we're having different conversations. Or 283 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 5: maybe he's been in the super Bowl. Maybe he didn't 284 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: win it or not, but he'd been to a super Bowl. 285 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 5: Absolutely agree. Lamar has admitted as such. He talked about 286 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 5: maybe I put too much pressure on myself. I remember 287 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 5: he said that. I think I just I think there's 288 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 5: a combination. 289 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,479 Speaker 3: And I get it. He's such a good player. Everybody 290 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: expects him to win, and I get all that. Dan 291 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: Marito played for a long time and did not win. 292 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Didn't even get another sniff after he got to the 293 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: Super Bow one time, and and and and they never 294 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: talked about Dann Marino in that way that they talk 295 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: about Lamar. 296 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: And they said, oh, he don't have a wide receiver. 297 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: He didn't have I get it, So which one is it? 298 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: And he didn't play, you know, obviously, to get into 299 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: enough playoff wins or whatever to get to the super 300 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: Bowl again. And my only point is when you're the quarterback, 301 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: you're going to get all the glory and all the pushback, 302 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: even though if you go back and even with the 303 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: mistakes he made in Buffalo, which he makes in every 304 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: game in Buffalo, Yes, he makes those mistakes. There's two 305 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: minutes to go, three minutes to go in the game. 306 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: He matches them immediately down the field, he gets the touchdown. Okay, 307 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: throws the two point conversion. I'm just just hitting he makes. 308 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: If he catches that, you're in hide. 309 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: Okay. 310 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: But but but the point is you're in the game, 311 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: you have a chance to win. He gave you that 312 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: chance to win, and you wipe out what has happened 313 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: to that point. Now you've got a new ball game 314 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: because he was able to take you down and get 315 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: you there. 316 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. 317 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: So when you look at that, you go, well, he 318 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: had an interception in the first half. Oh, he had 319 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: a fumble in the first half. Because you revert back 320 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: to the mistakes, they're rather than looking and saying he 321 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: just watched you down and almost and should have tied 322 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: the game. 323 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: Here's where I'll push back on that. 324 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes won an entire Super Bowl run, every single 325 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 5: game being down ten, and yet they found a way 326 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 5: to win down ten, find a way to win down 327 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 5: ten all the way to the Super Bowl run and 328 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: winning that Super Bowl. And I think again with Lamar, 329 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: I get what you're saying. Sometimes do we look at it, 330 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 5: don't shoot your foot self and the foot and get 331 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 5: down in the hole and have to climb back out 332 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: of the hole just to hopefully win it at the end. 333 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is I want Lamar to. 334 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 5: Just be the Lamar that actually we come in here 335 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 5: on Mondays after Sunday's a go that just looked ridiculous. 336 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that but that I just think that's too 337 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: easy to think that. 338 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: Don't you just have some of those But that's the 339 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: other game. Doesn't have to not be that rock. 340 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: But the other team is playing as well, so are 341 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: you gonna take away? Tom Brady was down twenty eight 342 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: to three to the Falcons. Do we think about that? 343 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: We look at the Falcons. They choked Patrick Mahomes the 344 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: games that that they want against San Francisco, they choked 345 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: in a second. They choked up ten with eight minutes 346 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: to go, and they don't and they don't run the football. 347 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: You look back at that and go, they gave him 348 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: a chance, tom Brady, they have a chance to run 349 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: the ball, kick a field goal, and you're up by eleven. 350 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: They choked, but tom Brady was down twenty eight to 351 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: three in that game. Tom Brady's been down. That's what 352 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is like every game is not perfect. 353 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: You come out and you play great and you blow 354 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: the other team and this doesn't work. 355 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: Like John Elway got blown out. 356 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: His first five Super Bowls or whatever first three got 357 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: blown out. And do you blame him or do you 358 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: look at the defense and go, my god, my god, 359 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: Like what you're not getting blamed? I know he was 360 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: getting that. This part comes with the job with the quarterback. 361 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: We all acknowledge that, right and you acknowledge it. The 362 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: thing that you got to ignore. I think that you 363 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: spec well, both of you, But I say I'm talking 364 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: to Rob. 365 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: The thing that you don't acknowledge about Lamar Jackson is 366 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 4: you're quick to point out Zay Flowers as fumbles, Mark 367 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 4: and you dropped the ball and all these things while 368 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: not acknowledging that Lamar Jackson played a big role into 369 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 4: why those plays are so important, or you're blaming them 370 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 4: for dropping the ball, fumbles, whatever, and not acknowledging that, Hey, 371 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: the only reason you were in that game against Kansas 372 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 4: City is because the defense held down Pack Mahomes to 373 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 4: seventeen points. 374 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: That spite you, but. 375 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 6: That, But but there are plays in football games where 376 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 6: a guy who fumbles at the one yard line changes 377 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 6: the complexion of the game, Rob g And you cannot 378 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 6: deny that a fumble at the one yard line in 379 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 6: a one score game at that point doesn't change just like, oh, 380 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 6: just like against the Steelers. 381 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: When you look at. 382 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: That game, you want to talk about the kick, you right, yeah, 383 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: but they were up ten nothing with chances to go 384 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: up seventeen to nothing or whatever it was, and they 385 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: couldn't get there. 386 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: Those are swings in games that if. 387 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 5: You get you notice you got a field, go on 388 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 5: touch that But that actually would go to the point 389 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 5: of why couldn't Lamar just get up fourteen to nothing? 390 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 3: Why couldn't he get up seventeen the other teams are playing? 391 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: No, right, that's just the idea that that he's supposed 392 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: to have seventeen nothing or twenty four nothing to play. 393 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: Why just why are you trying to diminish the swing 394 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 4: plays that he made. No, I'm not off the heels 395 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 4: of a touch. Not against Kansas City, he fumbles the snap. 396 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 4: I didn't say that, but I didn't say that. 397 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying you can't only look at his 398 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: plays and not look at some of the other plays. 399 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 5: On my whole point, I get what you're saying. My 400 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 5: only thing, my only thing is get this point easy 401 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 5: to just say Lamar. I need a signature run from Lamar, 402 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 5: meaning where obviously, maybe you miss a game because you 403 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 5: get a home field advantage or something, you got a 404 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 5: bye week, But I need a signature run from him. 405 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 5: That's where he is now, where he has a run 406 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 5: of two to three games that gets him to a 407 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 5: super Bowl, where again nobody's saying he has to be 408 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 5: super here, just be normal Lamar. He can't be sub 409 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 5: Lamar routinely, and that's the issue. That's the only issue 410 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 5: I would have it. 411 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: He knows it. He's been sub Lamar too often. 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There are currently only seven 426 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: head coaching openings, including Baltimore, which means at least one 427 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 4: of those teams currently has a coach and they're already 428 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 4: reaching out to John Harbaugh coordin after. He is far 429 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: and away the bell of the ball, the prize coach 430 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 4: available in the market, and that makes sense. 431 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that. 432 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 5: I get why he's celebrated eighteen years really good. We 433 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: know his winning record, has a super Bowl title. Somebody 434 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 5: I would be looking at that's still very young, the 435 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 5: teams that he's on, especially the side of the ball 436 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 5: that he coaches it up, I like I would be 437 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: looking at Brian Flores. Now, I already know it can't 438 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 5: happen because of the case with his wing him up. 439 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 5: I'm just saying, why bring him up if against thefl Well, no, no, 440 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 5: it can happen. People are they don't may maybe want 441 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 5: to make it happen. He's my point. Someone would have 442 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 5: to say, screw it. We like what he does, we 443 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: like what he brings, and that wants to be our guy. 444 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 5: But I think another guy that's gonna be on the 445 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 5: ahead of him is Kevin Sefanski. Stefanski and that people 446 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 5: are gonna look at him two time Coach of the Year. 447 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: People are gonna look at the same thing they're looking 448 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 5: at with the Sean mcvays and the Matt Laflores and 449 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: the Kyle Shanahans. A younger guy, offensive minded, uh, a 450 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 5: guy that can, you know, build ups in offense and 451 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 5: get some things going, and especially when you're looking at 452 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 5: a team like Baltimore, you're saying, man, with that offense, 453 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 5: they could maybe achieve more in the postseason. So I 454 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 5: could see that Kevin Sefanski being ahead of him as well, 455 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 5: wanting to go with the youth movement, because I think 456 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 5: that start what we're starting to see. 457 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: Rob. 458 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 5: You and I set up here and we talked about 459 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: why would you bring in Pete Carroll? You know, I 460 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 5: think younger is kind of the new move of the NFL. 461 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 5: The younger in shape, guys that have a specialty. I'm 462 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 5: on this side of the ball and this is what 463 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 5: I do well. So I think Kevin Sefanski would be 464 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 5: someone else that they would look at as well. 465 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I disagree. 466 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't think he was two time coaching the year 467 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: he didn't win a Super Bowl, Okay, and you could 468 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: say whatever you want. I think it was time for 469 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: John Harber to get fired. He's been there too long. 470 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: He was there eighteen years and had three losing seasons. 471 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: I mean that counts for something. And when people are 472 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: looking for somebody, and they're looking for somebody who they 473 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: might feel like we have a good team. Maybe we 474 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: just the right guy or different voice or somebody somebody 475 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: who's been there and in sports, whether it's real or not. 476 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: The reason Mike McCarthy got another job, right is because 477 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: he had a super Bowl in his back pocket. And 478 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: John Harball has a super Bowl in his back You 479 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: can't take that away from him. And teams are dying. 480 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: There are plenty of teams that have no shot or 481 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: haven't been to the Super Bowl. The Lions and all 482 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: these teams who would die to have a super Bowl 483 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: winning coach. They don't come available all the time. 484 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: Canta throw some things at you. Yeah, all right. 485 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 5: So John Harball, we all agree, has had a really 486 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 5: good tenure there. However, some of that I believe, especially 487 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 5: the latter portion, is having the success that he had 488 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 5: with Lamar, especially regular season. I mean, I'm gonna win 489 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: with seventy percent of the games, seventy two something like that. 490 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: You look at the five years after Ray Lewis and 491 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 5: Ed Reed left, Harball missed the playoffs four or five 492 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 5: years it was at or below five hundred four out 493 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 5: of those five years. Barbars blown. We talked about this 494 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 5: the last couple of days, last yesterday and today. He 495 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 5: was blown eighteen second half double digit leads. The most 496 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 5: is nineteen ninety one. Uh and so I'm not again 497 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 5: he is a good coach. I'm not denying that, you. 498 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: Know, just saying he's not gonna get a job. No, No, 499 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: he's gonna get a job. He said. 500 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 5: What I'm saying is I can see a team saying 501 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 5: he had his runky. I want to start. I want 502 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 5: to start younger and build. Let me find my John 503 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 5: Harbaugh circle eighteen years, let me get let me give 504 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 5: you exhibit A on why you're wrong. And I made 505 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 5: the comparison to Doc Rivers. 506 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: Doc when he got fired from the Clippers, really he 507 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: got a job immediately they choked and that remember they 508 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: were up three one. He immediately got a job in 509 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and coached the next year. Everybody thought he's gonna 510 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: sit out. He coached the next year. Then he goes 511 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: to television for what a half a year, half a season, 512 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: and they're running the coach in Milwaukee out for Doc Rivers. 513 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: He has one championship, he has no thing but failed postseasons. 514 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 5: So stop, Douc River. I'm saying, So why can't so 515 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: somebody can't sit and learn from that? 516 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: No, I'm trying to tell you the thinking of these 517 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: guys is that he won. I'd rather take a chance 518 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: on a guy who's actually won rather than some guys. 519 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: You know how many one and done head coaches that 520 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: have been in the NFL. Whill you give guys a chance? 521 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 5: I'm serious, there's a tonensive side of the ball. I'm 522 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 5: okay with you not having a great year with the Jets, 523 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 5: because I don't think anybody's gonna have a great year 524 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 5: with the Jets off the bat their first year. But Dangan, 525 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: if you're the defensive coach, we gotta get one interception. 526 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 3: I just I think it was so bad. It was 527 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: like the Pete Carroll thing. 528 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: Seriously, it was so bad you had no choice, Aaron Glenn. 529 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the owner trying to save face. Seriously, 530 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: he would be fired under any other Listen, you just 531 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: said it. He's a defensive coach, no interceptions. Look at 532 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: Rob g Can you look it up real quick? Their 533 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: last four or five games they gave up like one 534 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty points like usually, even in the case 535 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: of raheem Moore that they won four games at the end, 536 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: and he still got fired. The Jets got blown out 537 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: four or five straight games, and they're bringing him back. 538 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 5: This win absolutely could have been It was cutting brding. 539 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 5: I don't think any would have been like what Rob 540 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 5: j just would have said that Jets are just a mess. 541 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: No, But but I'm talking about the way that you know, 542 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: you hope that at the end the players played for 543 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: you play hard for their tape. 544 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 3: What right the Jet It was awful. 545 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 4: After an inexplicable win against the Falcons, which I think 546 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 4: sealed Raheem Morris is thank you. Yeah, the last five 547 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: games of the season at home against the Dolphins, lose 548 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: by twenty four in Jacksonville, lose by twenty eight in 549 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 4: New Orleans, lose by twenty three, at home against the Patriots, 550 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: lose by thirty two in Buffalo, lose by twenty six. 551 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: I mean ridiculous, right, No, there's any other circumstance that 552 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: dude would have been fired. 553 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 5: After my theory, when you're going into a bad situation, 554 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 5: nobody expects you to turn around immediately, especially when you 555 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 5: don't have a quarterback. 556 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: But what I do want, man, he had his quarterback. 557 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: He's side up for two years. Right. Well, I'm saying 558 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: we the quarterback that ain't playing well. 559 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 5: I at least want to be like, well, that side 560 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 5: of the ball, you do well, like that's your thing. 561 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: At least we look good. At least we're heading the 562 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: right direction that way. At least I see you. 563 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: Think Aaron is gonna turn around next year. I'm just curious. No, 564 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: I don't. 565 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 5: It's gonna take multiple things for the Jets. It's gonna 566 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: take a great coach, is gonna take a great court. 567 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 5: It's gonna take and it's gonna take three years of 568 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 5: the two combination of the two three things. John Harball 569 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: is gonna get hired in the next five hours. That's 570 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 5: not you know, if he obviously, if he wants to 571 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 5: take trips, but he's gonna get a job. But I 572 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 5: do wonder, sixty three years old, I'm just wondering, if 573 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 5: you know some teams, he's gonna get a job. But 574 00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 5: if this young Lafleur, Shanahan McVeigh movement, the Kiff Kingsbury, 575 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 5: you know, I've just got fired. 576 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: He did. But he's gonna he's right on and Matt 577 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 3: and Matt Lafleur too. 578 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: I think that his he's didn't they not give John, 579 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: didn't they not give him an extension, like like they're 580 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: waiting for him to win, and I don't know, if 581 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: they get knocked out by Chicago or whatever, don't play well, 582 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: there's a chance that they could part ways because he's 583 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: done the same. 584 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 3: He's won a ton of regular. 585 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 5: Season games, but he hasn't won to agree, And I 586 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: just I wondered if this guy, you know, he's going 587 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 5: to get a job because there's not thirty two coaches, 588 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: but I see a big time youth moving starting to happen. 589 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: You gotta look the part they want. These Hollywood looking guys. 590 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 5: Uh, you just keep looking at it, Like I said, 591 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: Ben Johnson being another one as well. 592 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: All right, eight seven, Oh, we don't have any from 593 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: We don't have gy I'm sorry about that. No, no, no, 594 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: that's for eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox will 595 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: be for trash talking. When we cast me, you to 596 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: hanging there. I've been doing this for forty years. Yes, 597 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 598 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 3: January sixth nineteen eighty alling fifteen thousand. 599 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: When they told me I was gonna make fifteen thousand, kid, 600 00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: I was ecstatic. 601 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: Course, dude. 602 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: My first one was like twenty six five or something like. 603 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 5: What was the first five first full time job. What 604 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 5: are you making in radio? 605 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh forty two? See balling the heck were you 606 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: doing it? Never got a raise after that, which is 607 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 3: nice because they yeah, they gave it to you. Ball up. 608 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 5: I got twenty six five. How about fifteenth thousand. I 609 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 5: left my job at Horizon. I got my very first day, 610 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: he would make swear to you, very first day of Verrizon. 611 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 5: I knew the radio thing was a possibility. I get 612 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 5: a phone call eight something in the morning. I go 613 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 5: in the bathroom. It was like in the an NFL 614 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 5: draft or something. They're like, we want you, And I 615 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 5: knew I was leaving Rison, Like I knew, Like I'm sorry, y'all, 616 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 5: and I quit the nays like one day I worked 617 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 5: at Verizon. 618 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: It's my bad Verrison. One day. 619 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 5: Maybe that's why they keep raising my bail up. They 620 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 5: keep raising my bill up, like yeah, mother, love, but 621 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 5: we remember you.