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Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me Frank Affne, the program

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Speaker 1: that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country

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Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the

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Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about China, the greatest threat our country has ever faced.

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Speaker 1: Under the misrule of the Chinese Communist Party, currently led

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Speaker 1: by a dictator by the name of Jijing Ping. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about both what might be going on

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Speaker 1: in China, but also what is going on in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: in part as a result of its machinations. But before

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Speaker 1: we do, I want to reflect back on what was

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Speaker 1: taking place this time, back in the early stages of

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Speaker 1: World War II. And who better to talk to about

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Speaker 1: all of this Our great friend and much admired member

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Speaker 1: James Finnell, United States Navy, retired in his last duty station.

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Speaker 1: Who's the Chief of Intelligence and Information Operations for the

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Speaker 1: US Pacific Fleet. He's the co author, with doctor Bradley Thayer,

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Speaker 1: of an incredibly important book, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest

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Speaker 1: strategic Failure. Captain Welcome, back to Davie Board.

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Speaker 2: It's great to be back with you, Frank.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you. So I want to talk with you

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Speaker 1: about the South Korean election and what's happening at the moment,

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Speaker 1: but set the stage for us with some insights as

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Speaker 1: to what happens when we fail to pay attention to

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Speaker 1: threats in the Pacific Midway being a very important example

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Speaker 1: of the challenges that we could face.

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Speaker 3: Well, Frank, just over eighty three years ago, on December seventh,

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Speaker 3: forty one, the Imperial Japanese Fleet attacked Pearl Harbor and

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Speaker 3: almost wiped out the US Pacific Fleet and all defenses

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Speaker 3: And in the ensuing next few months from January through June,

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Speaker 3: there was a small group of about fifty sixty people

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Speaker 3: called Station Hypo. Is a combat radio intelligence unit that

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Speaker 3: was breaking the codes of the Imperial Japanese Navy called

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Speaker 3: jan twenty five, and they were able to break in

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Speaker 3: that period where they had zero authority and capability to collect.

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Speaker 3: On December seventh, they were then turned on to that

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Speaker 3: determined that the Japanese were going to their Kido b

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Speaker 3: Bhutai striking fleet was going to attack at midway. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of controversy about where they were going to go,

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Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor at Station Hypo had broken the code and

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Speaker 3: knew it was going to be Midway, and they proved it,

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Speaker 3: and they were able to make that credible case through

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Speaker 3: it was midway indeed that they were going to attack,

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Speaker 3: and was allowed Nimets, Admiral Nimetz, the commander of the

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Speaker 3: Admiral Ernest King, and say, I need to be able

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Speaker 2: And King couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Say no anymore because we had the proof that they

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Speaker 3: We lost the York Town and then they lost some

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Speaker 3: other things. The big thing that they lost was they

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Speaker 3: it was the turning point in the history of America's

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many miracles there, one of which was,

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Speaker 1: of course, the battle itself and what some extraordinarily brave

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Speaker 1: A squadron of pilots who all but won that were

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Speaker 3: I've since learned, Frank, it was actually two of them survived,

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Speaker 3: two pilots and one guy. But essentially the entire torpedo

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Speaker 3: eight was also essentially wiped out. They to sacrifice themselves

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Speaker 1: In taking out those carriers that the Japanese were using

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Speaker 1: decisively against us. Jim I want to pivot to South

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Speaker 1: We suffered a very serious reverse. It seems to me

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Speaker 1: Lee J. Mung, is a center leftist, a liberal, and

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Speaker 1: you know that it's going to be more or less

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Speaker 3: First, Frank, I think we need to acknowledge him. What

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Speaker 3: Grant Newsham and John Mills and others have said is

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Speaker 3: that this was an election that was heavily influenced and

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Speaker 2: But it's done and it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: To give you a sense on the reaction, the Chinese

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Speaker 3: last two days since the election results in praise the

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Speaker 3: which is a left leaning newspaper, and Seul said they

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Speaker 3: noted previously that Lee's diplomatic pragmatism has signaled quoted a

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Speaker 2: So now they're going to go back to.

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Speaker 3: Engagement with the Chinese Communist Party, back to six party talks,

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Speaker 2: And now here, in.

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Speaker 3: The space of just thirty three years, we've gone from

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Speaker 3: threat that the ultimate goal of Xi and the Chinese

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Speaker 3: so that they can dominate the global economy, they can

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Speaker 2: Don't want to use force, if they don't have to.

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Speaker 3: And then in this case, they were able to take

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Speaker 3: And so it's really important that this administration redouble our

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Speaker 3: remain forward. So let's hope that we do that. We'll

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Speaker 3: what he gets from a relationship with the United States

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Speaker 2: With Ji and Kim Jong un.

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Speaker 1: An interesting thought, Jim. We'll pick it up on the

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Speaker 1: We're back. So is Captain James Finnel, United States, maybe

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Speaker 1: retired an essayist. I think you can find him in

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Speaker 1: American Greatness most often. You also can find his book

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Speaker 1: in bookstores. I'm strongly commended to you. It's entitled Embracing

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Speaker 1: Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure. Captain we were talking

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Speaker 1: think it is for the purposes of evicting the US military,

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Speaker 1: because you know, there's no more conflict. Is that in

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Speaker 3: And so we need to be very very clear eyed

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Speaker 3: Now we have to pay for it. We've got to

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Speaker 1: We have to leave it at that. Captain Fanel bracing

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Speaker 4: Well, Frank, it's great to be with you, and as

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Speaker 1: It's well deserved and heartfeld and I'm shocked that you

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Speaker 4: and some of these other ones. I think there's other

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Speaker 4: countries that should also be included in that li. Basically,

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Speaker 4: anybody who wants to do America harm, any country who

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Speaker 4: we cannot vet who they're sending should not be allowed

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Speaker 4: to come into our country. And whether there Islamists or

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Speaker 4: any other country, if we can't vet the people that

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Speaker 4: are coming from that country, doesn't matter what political ideology

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Speaker 4: they have, or what religious ideology they have, or what

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Speaker 4: constitutional understandings they have. If we can't vet them, they

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Speaker 4: should not come in. And President Trump understands that. I

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Speaker 4: think to me, hopefully this is the first in many

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Speaker 4: more to put pressure to at least say hey, if

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Speaker 4: you're going to come into our country, we have a

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Speaker 4: right to know who you are. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: we also have a right to say no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, the key thing about that speech,

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Speaker 1: it seemed to me was he reintroduced this concept that's

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Speaker 1: not just your background. It's not just you know, were

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Speaker 1: you a terrorist or were you a criminal, or were

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Speaker 1: you a psychopath or something else? And heavens knows, is

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Speaker 1: you've documented better than any buddy, Ben Berkwam. The door

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Speaker 1: was wide open to all of the above for four years.

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Speaker 1: It's also do you adhere to an ideology that has

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Speaker 1: at its core the destruction of this country? And as

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Speaker 1: you say, whether it's Sharia, or whether it's communism, or

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Speaker 1: whether it's something else, it's doesn't matter, shouldn't matter, you

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Speaker 1: should not be admitted. So then when you look at

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Speaker 1: what the President went through with that first exercise to

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Speaker 1: try to stop this kind of ideology, the Sharia ideology,

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Speaker 1: the radical is learning see put it terrorism ideology from

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Speaker 1: coming in. Do you anticipate that having finally gotten the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court's permission to restrict such people from coming in,

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Speaker 1: not exactly the way he envisioned initially, but eventually, you know,

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Speaker 1: having had the tortures of the dam that he did

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Speaker 1: the first time around, but getting finally the supremes permission,

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Speaker 1: is this one going to stand up?

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Speaker 4: Do you think, well, I think look, I think we're

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Speaker 4: already seeing this. You have Sharia supremacists in our government today.

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Speaker 4: You have people like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib who

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Speaker 4: are openly hostile to America. They should never have been

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Speaker 4: allowed to be sworn into our government. They don't adhere

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Speaker 4: to the values of this nation. Anybody who supports Sharia

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Speaker 4: should never be allowed into an American political system. And

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Speaker 4: as well, as you mentioned communism, anybody who doesn't stand

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Speaker 4: up for the constitution of this nation and the founding

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Speaker 4: of this nation, and the fundamental pillars that make this

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Speaker 4: nation what it is should not be allowed to be

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Speaker 4: in our government.

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Speaker 5: And so there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And of course, Ben, that's the oath that they're swearing,

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Speaker 1: that's right. How can they possibly do that in good faith, well,

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Speaker 1: on a command or on anything else.

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Speaker 5: They can't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the only way they can do it is to lie,

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Speaker 4: and we know that that's what they've done.

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Speaker 5: And so you have this split.

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Speaker 4: And going back to President Trump's aministration, you had massive

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Speaker 4: protests in regards to this issue. They called them an islamophobe,

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Speaker 4: they called them all these things.

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Speaker 5: Well, look at what we have now.

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Speaker 4: So yes, to answer the question, we're going to have

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Speaker 4: massive blowback, not just you know, we'll see where the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court lands on this. I'm not I think they

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Speaker 4: will ultimately land on President Trump's favor. But we've already

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Speaker 4: seen these radicalized judges across America that have basically been

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Speaker 4: weaponized to stop almost all of President Trump's efforts, the

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Speaker 4: administration's efforts that are being used now by the radical

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Speaker 4: left to undermine not just President Trump's policies but America internally.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that's going to continue to happen.

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Speaker 4: And this is really the really dangerous game that we're

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Speaker 4: in right now, or battle that we're in right now.

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Speaker 4: It's are we a nation of the constitution, of the

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Speaker 4: rule of law, of equal protection under the law, or

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Speaker 4: are we a nation of politicians and judges who get

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Speaker 4: to determine the direction of this country, sometimes unelected bureaucrats,

510
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Speaker 4: where you can flout the law and say we're not

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Speaker 4: going to follow that part like Joe Biden did and

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Speaker 4: allowed in millions of illegals, some of them terrorists. Or

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Speaker 4: in this case where President Trump is trying to follow

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Speaker 4: the law and you have sanctuary communities trying to block him,

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Speaker 4: you have people protesting protecting criminal illegals to the point

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Speaker 4: where they're flying down to foreign countries to try to

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Speaker 4: invite gang members terrorists back into our country. That is,

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Speaker 4: to me, that's the most dangerous thing we know. Islam

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Speaker 4: is not for America, and there's no version of it

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Speaker 4: that's pro America. It ultimately Sharia wants to take over

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Speaker 4: Islam wants to enact Sharia law globally.

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Speaker 5: They want a global caliphate. And until we understand what.

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Speaker 1: The authorities of the faith say, very explicit that's it.

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Speaker 4: And look, we don't You don't have to take my

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Speaker 4: word for it or Frank's word for it.

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Speaker 5: Listen to their own words.

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Speaker 4: Look at any of these emams that are speaking, that

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Speaker 4: are that are the driving factors, the driving forces behind

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Speaker 4: Islam globally today, they are all saying it. That is

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Speaker 4: their ultimate goal is sharia globally. And so if we

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Speaker 4: don't get our heads around that, both from the external

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Speaker 4: forces but also the internal ones, the traders in our

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Speaker 4: own government, we are in a world of hurt in

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Speaker 4: a very short time. And you know you mentioned Frank,

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Speaker 4: I have traveled around the world. I just came back

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Speaker 4: from Europe a few months ago. France has fallen, England's fallen,

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Speaker 4: These nations of Europe have fallen, and we're the next

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Speaker 4: ones on the dominoes if we don't do what President

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Speaker 4: Trump is doing. And thank god he's there doing it.

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Speaker 1: He is trying very hard. Let me just also salute

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Speaker 1: our friend and colleague at rav Charlie Kirk, who just

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Speaker 1: the other day said Islam is not compatible with Western civilization.

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Speaker 1: I think out on the heels of his experiences in

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Speaker 1: Europe just recently. Yeah, we have to leave it at

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Speaker 1: that comeback. There's so much more to talk about. I

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Speaker 1: so appreciate your clarity and courage. Cut speed, my friend,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm delighted to say welcome as well to

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Speaker 1: one of our favorite guests. His name is Rabbi Pisuk Waliki.

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Speaker 1: He is the executive director of Israel three sixty five Action,

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Speaker 1: a columnist for the Jerusalem Post, and a podcaster with

551
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Speaker 1: the Shoulder to Shoulder podcast, A man I consider to

552
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Speaker 1: be one of the pre eminent practitioners of information operations

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Speaker 1: in the war that Israel finds itself in, and we

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Speaker 1: value his visits with us whenever we can get our

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Speaker 1: hands on him. Welcome back, Grub. It's good to have

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Speaker 1: you with us, sir.

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Speaker 6: Always an honor.

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Speaker 2: Frank.

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Speaker 1: So, I've got two topics that I want to cover

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Speaker 1: with you in the course of very short two segments.

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Speaker 1: The first is, please explain to us what is going

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Speaker 1: on with respect to the distribution of humanitarian assistance in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: You've been on the program several times, as you know,

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Speaker 1: talking about a new initiative that was coming that was

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Speaker 1: going to avoid providing essentially, you know, humanitarian assistance to

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Speaker 1: hamas to the previous arrangement, especially with all these international

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Speaker 1: you know, distribution groups and so on. But this one

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be working terribly well, at least if

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Speaker 1: the reports about what's going on are to be credited,

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Speaker 1: including claims that the Israelis are murdering people trying to

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Speaker 1: get food from them, what is the ground truth.

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Speaker 7: Ser Well, that's amazing, Frank, that you say that it's

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Speaker 7: not working. Well, I guess that's what's coming out in

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Speaker 7: the media. The new Ade distribution system is working beautifully,

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Speaker 7: and it's actually working more quickly then we even originally

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Speaker 7: could have anticipated. What I mean by that is we

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Speaker 7: talked a number of occasions, as you just alluded to,

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Speaker 7: in advance of this, that the goal of this was manifold.

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Speaker 6: It was to obviously provide the aid to people who need.

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Speaker 2: It, to.

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Speaker 7: Remove the people from the Kamas control, and to cut

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Speaker 7: off supplies and cash from Ramas. And all of these

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Speaker 7: goals are being met. The world media is presenting this

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Speaker 7: as chaos and that people are dying. First of all,

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Speaker 7: Israel did not kill anybody. All of the reports that

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Speaker 7: Israel killed people ended up having to be walked back

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Speaker 7: and corrected, and they were debunked Hamas had operatives in

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Speaker 7: the area who themselves were firing on the crowd. They

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Speaker 7: were trying to gin up chaos in the crowd. But

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Speaker 7: in the opening day or two there was a fair

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Speaker 7: amount of chaos. But the GHF, the American organization that

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Speaker 7: is handling the aid distribution, working with the Israeli security forces,

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Speaker 7: has quickly gotten control of the situation.

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Speaker 6: They've now opened more distribution centers.

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Speaker 7: I spoke to a senior officer who was in the

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Speaker 7: Gaza stro who came out yesterday, and I asked and

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Speaker 7: who was there at the distribution centers, and he said

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Speaker 7: that there are Asian provocateurs from Hamas in the crowd

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Speaker 7: who are trying to get the chaos going, and with

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Speaker 7: every passing day they're less and less successful. And there

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Speaker 7: are all so people from the media who are always

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Speaker 7: in league with Israel's enemies, who are waiting for a

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Speaker 7: little bit of chaos to erupt, and then they film

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Speaker 7: it and they make it seem like there's riots in

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Speaker 7: chaos all day.

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Speaker 6: It's actually quite orderly.

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Speaker 7: Johnny Moore, the new head of the GHF, put out

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Speaker 7: a tweet the other day stating the fact that they've

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Speaker 7: distributed over seven million meals already and it's having its

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Speaker 7: desired effect. What do I mean, So the people who

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Speaker 7: are receiving these these food packages. One interesting development we've learned, Frank,

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Speaker 7: is that they had no idea, the people of Gaza

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Speaker 7: had no idea until this new system that the humanitarian

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Speaker 7: aid was supposed to be distributed to them for free.

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Speaker 7: Throughout this entire war, they've been living under Hamas rule

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Speaker 7: and they've had to pay for humanitarian aid.

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Speaker 6: And now that they've been handed these books, they came to.

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Speaker 7: Those distribution centers prepared to have to pay for it,

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Speaker 7: and when they were told it was free, they've been

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Speaker 7: surprised by this and it only has increased their anger

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Speaker 7: at Ramas. So then a couple days ago we saw

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Speaker 7: a major warehouse, a Hamas warehouse in the northern part

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Speaker 7: of the Gaza strip, broken into by not just a

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Speaker 7: few people. We've seen a few warehouses broken into by

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Speaker 7: a few people who were then swiftly punished by Hamas.

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Speaker 6: This is different.

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Speaker 7: This is a throng of thousands who broke into a

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Speaker 7: massive warehouse with piled high with bags of flower that

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Speaker 7: were humanitarian aid meant to be given for free to

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Speaker 7: the people, and the people of Gaza just started taking

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Speaker 7: these bags. Hamas tried to fire warning shots and disperse

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Speaker 7: the crowd. They don't want to start directly killing their

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Speaker 7: people on masks because then they really lose everything, so

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Speaker 7: they tried to disperse the crowd. It did not work,

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Speaker 7: and the anger at Hamas that's now being expressed openly

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Speaker 7: in the streets for stealing from the people and from

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Speaker 7: manipulating them is accelerating, and Hamas is really on the

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Speaker 7: verge of completely losing anything that they have left now.

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Speaker 7: There was a report on Channel fourteen cable news in

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Speaker 7: Israel yesterday. There's one reporter there who speaks fluent Arabic

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Speaker 7: and has sources in Hamas. He has moles in Kamas

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Speaker 7: who speak to him, and he played an audio recording

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Speaker 7: with the voice muffled of a Hamas operative who said

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Speaker 7: to him that there has.

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Speaker 6: Been no communication with the leader, so to speak, leaders of.

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Speaker 7: Hamas living in Katar and Turkey with Hamas and Gaza

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Speaker 7: since late March.

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Speaker 6: There's been no communication with them.

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Speaker 7: All of these negotiations that are happening with these guys

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Speaker 7: in Katar and Doha are meaningless because there's actually no

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Speaker 7: communication with Kamas Gaza and them. There's no governing structure anymore,

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Speaker 7: and no one's been paid in three months.

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Speaker 6: He said, that's the situation what we have now today.

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Speaker 7: And also from the officer I spoke to yesterday, the

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Speaker 7: situation right now in Gaza is this, Frank, and this

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Speaker 7: is good.

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Speaker 6: News, but it's still very dangerous.

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Speaker 7: Is that there are still individual cells of Hamas guys

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Speaker 7: with their kalashnikov you know, their Ak forty sevens running around.

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Speaker 7: Some of them are still holding hostages. They're still they've

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Speaker 7: booby trapped the areas that the idea is working, and

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Speaker 7: that's why there are still tragically IDF casualties. But there's

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Speaker 7: no actual Hamas as an organization, as a as a

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Speaker 7: militia in any organized way left. So all that remains

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Speaker 7: now is to move the population southward away from these

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Speaker 7: areas so that the IDF can really just clean out

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Speaker 7: the final you know, the final roaches and rats from

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Speaker 7: Hamas that remain there. But Hamas, we could say today, Frank,

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Speaker 7: Hamas doesn't really exist anymore in the.

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Speaker 6: Gaza strip as any kind of organization.

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Speaker 7: It could resuscitate itself if it was given funding, and

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Speaker 7: that's why the UN and France and all these countries

673
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Speaker 7: are trying to and the BBC, they're all trying to

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Speaker 7: paint the picture that the new aid distribution system isn't

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Speaker 7: working so that they reopen the funnel of aid to

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Speaker 7: directly to Hamas. But the people of Gaza are revolting

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Speaker 7: and they're now moving to the south, and everything that

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Speaker 7: we described would happen from this humanitarian aid, thank God,

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Speaker 7: is happening well.

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Speaker 1: I hope that the people of this area are at

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Speaker 1: least as furious with Hamas that they are killing them

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Speaker 1: as they try to get food from the Israelis as

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Speaker 1: they are that they've been worthholding food that has been

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Speaker 1: provided to them in the past. This sounds like an

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Speaker 1: epic turning point.

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Speaker 2: It's huge.

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Speaker 7: Is this is a huge turning point, Frank Again, it's

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Speaker 7: still dangerous. We haven't we can't declare victory yet, but

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Speaker 7: exactly what we thought would happen is happening faster than

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Speaker 7: we even thought.

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Speaker 1: Well, praise God for that. Rebi. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about another miracle that I hope will be happening shortly

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Speaker 1: in Iran. On the other side of this very short

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Speaker 1: break plus stay Teme place, we're back and we are

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Speaker 1: visiting with Rabbi Pessak Waliki, one of our go to

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Speaker 1: resources on what's happening in the various wars in which

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Speaker 1: Israel has found itself. We've gotten a very good report

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Speaker 1: out of Gaza, and I pray that what we're watching

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Speaker 1: is really the end game now at long last there

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Speaker 1: and you know, authentic relief for the people suffering under

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Speaker 1: Hamas for so long, not least the Israelis. By the way,

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Speaker 1: folks speaking of Israel's enemies who happen to be ours

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Speaker 1: as well. Rabbi, I did want to ask you for

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Speaker 1: an update on the situation with respect to Iran. We're

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Speaker 1: hearing the latest from the Trump administration that the president

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Speaker 1: remains interested in getting a deal, has reiterated that he

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Speaker 1: is not going to agree to having any uranium enrichment

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Speaker 1: taking place that's been a showstopper for the Iranians to

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Speaker 1: this point. He is also indicated, apparently that Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: is going to be pulled in to help with all

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Speaker 1: of this. I wonder what this looks like from Israel's

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Speaker 1: vantage point. I know you're speaking for yourself, not for

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Speaker 1: the government there, but whether this all sounds as though

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Speaker 1: this is likely to translate into more protracted negotiations, in

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Speaker 1: particular whether Israel feels that it has the luxury of

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Speaker 1: waiting any longer in terms of dealing, if not exclusively

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Speaker 1: with the nuclear threat with it, but I hope as

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Speaker 1: well with the continued viability of the regime thanks to

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Speaker 1: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

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Speaker 7: Courser Well, Frank, I think the focal point for us

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Speaker 7: here when we think about what went wrong, because something

722
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Speaker 7: went wrong over the last few months with these negotiations,

723
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Speaker 7: is that the Trump administration has been sending mixed messages

724
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Speaker 7: and this is this is very this very dangerous.

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Speaker 6: Game they've played.

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Speaker 7: Towards the beginning, right after Trump took office, they were

727
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Speaker 7: the Trump administration was talking about strikes against Iran unless they,

728
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Speaker 7: you know, really surrender their their nuclear capabilities completely. The

729
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Speaker 7: Iranians were on their back foot, and the language out

730
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Speaker 7: of out of Tehran made it.

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Speaker 6: Seem that they were running scared.

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Speaker 7: They and then ever since President Trump visited Katar and

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Speaker 7: in a press conference basically said explicitly that he made

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Speaker 7: a commitment to the Qataris not to attack Iran. That

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Speaker 7: was essentially the gist of what he said there, He

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Speaker 7: said that, you know, the Iranians should be thanking the

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Speaker 7: Kataris for protecting them, basically saying that he made that

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Speaker 7: commitment ever since then. And also, the Iranians watch very

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Speaker 7: closely the decisions made by the Trump administration, some of

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Speaker 7: the recent dismissals of key figures in the foreign policy

741
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Speaker 7: in the Trump administration and who they're being replaced with.

742
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Speaker 7: They pay close attention to the language of the people

743
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Speaker 7: around Trump and what they're saying, and all of this

744
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Speaker 7: telegraphing that the US is not interested in strikes against

745
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Speaker 7: Iran and is tying itself up into knots, doing everything

746
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Speaker 7: it can to not attack Iran and to not carry

747
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Speaker 7: out strikes in Iran. And I'm not saying this, Frank,

748
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Speaker 7: This is not coming from a place of calling for strikes.

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Speaker 7: Whether or not strikes is the right move is a

750
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Speaker 7: separate issue, regardless of your position of someone's position on

751
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Speaker 7: whether or not we should strike Iran. The problem with

752
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Speaker 7: making threats that you don't really want to carry out

753
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Speaker 7: and then telegraphing that you don't want to carry them

754
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Speaker 7: out and that you're not really serious about them is

755
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Speaker 7: that the Iranians are fantastic negotia. And ever since that

756
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Speaker 7: Katari press conference, the Iranians have started digging in and

757
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Speaker 7: talking tougher, and they're basically calling Trump's bluff and saying, no,

758
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Speaker 7: We're gonna keep enriching uranium.

759
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Speaker 6: We don't care, and they're thumbing their nose at Trump.

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Speaker 7: Come in a He gave a speech two days ago

761
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Speaker 7: where he basically said, who are the Americans anyway?

762
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Speaker 6: Who are they to tell us what we can do

763
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Speaker 6: and whether or not we.

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Speaker 7: Can enrich enrich uranium. So now this attempt to bring

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Speaker 7: putin into it. Look, you asked me about Israel's perspective.

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Speaker 7: Whether these debates that people are having, and I saw

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Speaker 7: and I saw some posts by Tucker Carlson about how

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Speaker 7: close Iran is or how much uranium they've enriched into

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Speaker 7: what percentage, These are all immaterial. These are all pointless

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Speaker 7: debates because the Iranians have patients, and whether they're this

771
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Speaker 7: close or that close to a bomb doesn't change the

772
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Speaker 7: fact that if we don't take out their nuclear capabilities,

773
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Speaker 7: if all we do is kind of tamp them down

774
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Speaker 7: or hold them under our thumb for a while, American

775
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Speaker 7: administrations come and go, and all it means is that

776
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Speaker 7: the existential threat to Israel is kicked down the field,

777
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Speaker 7: if it is at all, because Iran has nuclear facilities

778
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Speaker 7: that we don't even know about that and they have

779
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Speaker 7: ways of as long as they have their facilities, they're

780
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Speaker 7: going to continue to do everything they can to continue

781
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Speaker 7: to enrich uranium. So how close they are to a

782
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Speaker 7: bomb shouldn't even be the discussion. The question is do

783
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Speaker 7: we have an opportunity now to take out the arounding

784
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Speaker 7: a nuclear program, and considering what Israel did to their

785
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Speaker 7: air defenses at least until recently, that window is open

786
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Speaker 7: and this has to be done.

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Speaker 6: This is for Israel, this is existential.

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Speaker 7: We cannot afford a nuclear around and I think bringing

789
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Speaker 7: the Russians in is a very ominous sign that the

790
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Speaker 7: Trump administration is just falling into another version of the

791
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Speaker 7: Obama around nuclear deal, which would be a disaster for Israel.

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Speaker 1: And the world. Amen, I did want to you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Tucker the He really came out and professed that anybody

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Speaker 1: who tells you that Iran is even close to a

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapon or has a nuclear weapons program is lying

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Speaker 1: to you. Now, I recall the Prime Minister of Israel

797
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Speaker 1: making a rather dramatic event of the revelation of the

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Speaker 1: documents that had been purloined by Israel from the nuclear

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Speaker 1: weapons program of Iran just a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: How is it that anybody with anything remotely like the

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Speaker 1: influence Tucker Carlson has be so clueless about the real

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Speaker 1: state of these nuclear weapons programs in Iran.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, forget about the Prime Minister of Israel,

804
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Speaker 7: because Tucker could just say that he's lying to you.

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Speaker 7: But the International Atomic Energy Agency, who is no friend

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Speaker 7: of the Jewish people's, it's one of these un agencies,

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Speaker 7: came out with a report just the other day saying

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Speaker 7: that Iran has four hundred kilograms of sixty percent in

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Speaker 7: rich uranium a civilian nuclear program, which Iran claims to have,

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Speaker 7: and that's a separate issue.

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Speaker 6: They don't.

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Speaker 7: But for civilian purposes, you only need to enrich uranium

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Speaker 7: to three percent. Any enrichment beyond that, certainly up to

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Speaker 7: a number like sixty percent, which is getting close to

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Speaker 7: weapons grade uranium, is only for the purpose of a

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Speaker 7: nuclear weapon. So Tucker Carlson apparently disagrees with the International

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Speaker 7: Atomic Energy Agency.

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Speaker 1: Among others, including I think the Donald Trump administration nowb

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Speaker 1: I come back to us with updates on all of this,

820
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Speaker 1: some good news and some unsettling information as well. We

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Speaker 1: always look forward to our visits. God bless you, God

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Speaker 1: bless the rest of you. I hope you'll join us

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Speaker 1: again next time as well. Until then, go forth and

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Speaker 1: multiply

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Speaker 2: Stat