1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. This is a grim episode, fellow 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, and as such it may not be suitable 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: for all our fellow listeners. We're playing with dark live 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: fire here. This is a two part episode about serial killers. 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: As we discussed in previous episodes, this genre of criminal 14 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: is extraordinarily rare in the world of crime. You know, 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: if you have ever looked at the statistics, you know 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: that most homicides are committed by someone familiar to the victim. 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: Here in the United States, fifty four point three percent 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: of murders are committed by someone you know, someone the 19 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: victim knows, and acquaintance and neighbor, a friend or romanic partner, etcetera. 20 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: We have done, to be clear several episodes on serial 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: killers in the past, specifically those who have yet to 22 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: face justice for their crimes. And today, unfortunately, we are 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: updating this exploration. It is twenty two and some of 24 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: these individuals are still on the loose. So here are 25 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: the facts. Let's do a brief recap of our earlier episodes. 26 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: We can start with good news. We talked a long 27 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: time ago about the original night stalker. I think we 28 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: even made a video on that. Ben and Uh, this 29 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: was someone who was unknown. They had many names, they 30 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: had many victims, and turns out, through some DNA evidence 31 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: and a really interesting investigation that was again decades and 32 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: decades long, the person was caught. Person named Joseph James 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: D'Angelo Jr. That's right. Mr d' angelo Jr. Was a 34 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: former police officer who was responsible for at least thirteen 35 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: murders that we know of, uh, fifty sexual assaults, undred 36 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: and twenty burglaries, all between the years of nineteen seventy 37 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: four and nineteen eighties six. He's a busy guy. Uh. 38 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: He was not identified until early eighteen. I mean that's 39 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: how it goes. Sometimes. It's fascinating going evading the law 40 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: for that long. Um, He is alive, though currently incarcerated 41 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: in California in the California State Prison in Corcoran. He's 42 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: currently seventy six years old, and like a lot of 43 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: serial killers of of his ilk uh, he is both 44 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: unremarkable and completely insane. Um totally on extraordinary. You know, 45 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these these people are looking for attention, 46 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: are looking for some kind of glorification um, and most 47 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: of them don't get it. I remember when I was younger, 48 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: there was a guy who did a school shooting. He 49 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: kind of did like these photo ops three. He was 50 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: holding the guns and like a hammer like old boy, 51 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: and I thought, at the time, being very naively, oh 52 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: my god, this guy is totally gonna get remembered for this. 53 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: I can't even remember the guy's name, And that's fortunately 54 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: the way this stuff goes sometimes outside of a few outliers. 55 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, he told investigators that he had another person 56 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: in his head. Um seems like a sign, you know, 57 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: psychiatrist here, but it seems like a symptom of some 58 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: kind of schizophrenia. And he had an alternate personality that 59 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: he called Jerry, which which the essentially acted as the 60 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: voice in his head that told him to commit these 61 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: acts of violence, and unfortunately, this dark shadow of the 62 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: human species has been around for a long long time. 63 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: We have explored cases of serial murderers from the ancient past, 64 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: people like Shu sin Ittier uh fifth century uh Ce Yemenite, 65 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: a guy who is one of the first recorded serial killers. 66 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: We also looked at the stories of murderers who almost 67 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: certainly died off the record, why possibly due to vigilante actions, 68 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: and vigilantes are gonna play a part in today's episode. 69 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 1: We're going to hit you with a question that we're 70 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: not sure how to answer towards the end here. The 71 00:04:54,760 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: most intriguing of these cases, like the people who are 72 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: probably dead but officially got away, would be Pedro Alonso Lopez, 73 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: the so called Monster of the Andes. He was a 74 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: murderer and assaulter of children. He was arrested in nineteen 75 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: eighty in Ecuador and the government of Ecuador freed him 76 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: at around the end of nine. He was interviewed in 77 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: prison and he called himself the man of the century. 78 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: He was released for quote unquote good behavior, handed off 79 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: to Columbia for charges on a twenty year old murder 80 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: at the time, and Columbia the government there declared him insane. 81 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: They held him in a hospital in the capital until 82 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: about when he was released on a bail that was 83 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: the equivalent at the time of fifty US dots. Right now, 84 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: as we record April two, there is a clear although 85 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: distant possibility that Lopez maybe alive today. If so, he 86 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: is seventy three years old at the time of this recording. 87 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: Just a quick side note here, Uh, the research for 88 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: some of these episodes that we do on serial killers 89 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: and some of the really darker stuff, especially when murderers involved. Uh, 90 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: it has a serious effect. I I mean I would ben, 91 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: I would say, and old personally on me has an effect. 92 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: I remember that the Lopez episode that we did and 93 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: specifically the research, and I would just caution anybody who 94 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: wants to look deeper into it, just be careful. There's 95 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: some things that you can't unknown and unseen, and that's 96 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: just that's one of them. Just put that out there 97 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: for everybody. I think people kind of take for granted 98 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the psychological toll some of this stuff can have on you, 99 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 1: especially folks that are you know, actively seek out true 100 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: crime type podcasts and you know TV series and documentaries. Uh. 101 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: It certainly can act as an entertaining element, but I 102 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: think there's some maybe un checked negative impacts that it 103 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: can have, you know, on individuals in collectively, because I 104 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: certainly feel you on that map, agreed, And we are 105 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: doing this because it is important. There are literally lives 106 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: at stake. There are people who will never have their children, 107 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: their lovers, their relatives, their friends with them ever again. 108 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: And we're recapping this are here is the facts portion 109 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: comes to you because we want to give you a 110 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: brief look at the gains and losses of tracking this 111 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: particularly rare type of murderer over time. Yes, good news. 112 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Some do get caught. Many get caught. Sometimes they get 113 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: caught for another crime, right, Sometimes they get caught after 114 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: their demise. Sometimes very few cases they get caught. Why 115 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: they are active? However, given the backlog of forensic data 116 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: in the US and abroad, given the at times corrupt 117 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: horse trading of government and law enforcement, we have to 118 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: sadly note many serial killers are active. Now here's where 119 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Yeah, it's true, folks, fellow conspiracy realists. 120 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: There are multiple serial murderers who, as of April two, 121 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: have yet to be apprehended. Some have likely died and 122 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: they got away with it. Some might be imprisoned for 123 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, related crimes that don't enter into their their 124 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: reputation as murderers. There are individuals who, for instance, may 125 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: be locked up due to assault or shoplifting or grand 126 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: theft auto. There are probably right now some who are 127 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: dormant at the current moment, meaning like B t K, 128 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: like Dennis Rader, they paused for a while until they 129 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: felt they needed attention, until they're they're crazy. Spiral went 130 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: further into the abyss uh there for the most part, 131 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: as we established, unintelligent, but they're not restricted to the 132 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: United States. Let's share some examples across the globe. Historically 133 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: we've kind of focused on the US in the West, 134 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: but they are by no means serial killers are by 135 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: no means unique to one part of the planet. No. UM, 136 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: let's go for this one to Japan. Between April and 137 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: November of and Hiroshima, twelve people were killed due to 138 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: paraquat poisoning h and another thirty five people were seriously injured. 139 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: UM investigators were able to trace this back to a 140 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: drink popular I guess it's a sports drink. It's called 141 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: ornamin c imagine the c has something to do with 142 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: vitamin C some kind of energy drink, and that was 143 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: the common factor in all of these cases. Around the 144 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: same time, the company that actually manufactures the drink launched 145 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: a marketing campaign that offered free bottles of the drink 146 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: from vending machines anytime someone bought something else, kind of 147 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: a bogo kind of situation. Um and yeah, I mean 148 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: you're find something else and then you know what a 149 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: deal and you get this other drink and you know 150 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing that poison tins. Not a particularly good 151 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,359 Speaker 1: bye one, get one And just for everybody's knowledge, paraquat 152 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: is an herbicide that was very common in uh. The 153 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: common name for it is metal biology and v I 154 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: O L O G E N and it is very 155 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: very toxic to humans. It's actually often used has a 156 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: reputation for being used to kill marijuana plants are being 157 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: growing legally. He might remember Big the Big Lebowski Um 158 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Bridges character the dude insulting someone by calling them 159 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: a human paraquat because that was the eighties, you know period. 160 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Movie was probably something that the hippies were none too 161 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: happy about in terms of you know, getting rid of 162 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: their their weed plants. Yeah, this is this is true, 163 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: and it goes into the idea of uh a social 164 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: contract right, the unspoken rules and considerations of a culture. 165 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: Imagine wherever you live, that you go to a vending machine, 166 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: you put in some change, or nowadays you swipe a 167 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: card and you're getting you know, water or I don't know, 168 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: a phanta or you who whatever, and you you do 169 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: your little thing, and then you get your your bottle 170 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: of your you who are your fans? Are your mountain dew? 171 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, another bottle pops out 172 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: because it's part of the promotion. What do you do 173 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: with that? You didn't want the eronomanc In Japan, people 174 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: started placing this drink, this free drink, on top of 175 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: a vending machine. It's kind of a nice thing to 176 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: do for strangers. And then if you come along and 177 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: you see that and you're thirsty, you might say, hey, 178 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna save a couple of yet, I'm gonna grab 179 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: grab this o c right here. And that's what led 180 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: to the problem. Law enforcement concluded that someone or some 181 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: group of people have been lacing those free drinks with 182 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: that herbicide paraquat again, as Matt said, it's quite toxic 183 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: to human beings. And then after they laced it, they 184 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: put it back on on top of the vending machine. 185 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: And police, yeah, police couldn't do couldn't do a thing 186 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: because it was super difficult to narrow down where someone 187 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: had picked up the drink where they found it. Vending 188 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: machines are everywhere in urban areas in Japan, and most 189 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: of these vending machines were in backstreets, very narrow you 190 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: would call them alleys in the US, and there wasn't 191 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: any sort of video footage around. It was an opportunity 192 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: for agents of chaos. This crime appears to have stopped 193 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: solely because vending machine operators started posting warnings stuff that said, hey, 194 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: don't take strange drinks that you find at a vending machine. 195 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: And then it also spurred an unfortunate, an unfortunate trend 196 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: of copycat attempts using things like limes sulfur. There are 197 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: also a couple of cases of people attempting to poison 198 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: them selves and be tied to this phenomenon. But the 199 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: frightening thing is right now, folks, not only is there 200 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: no clear conviction for a person or people behind this poisoning. 201 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: There are no suspects, no one knows, and whomever is 202 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: doing this is likely walking around free in Japan today. 203 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: It is weird to think that somebody who had the 204 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: money to you know, go to these vending machines, make purchases, 205 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: purchase you know, this toxic substance, place it in those things. 206 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: If this that person is, you have to imagine they're 207 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: old enough to do those things without suspicion, right, But 208 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: then you imagine it hasn't been that long. They are 209 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: very much likely still alive. And the super disturbing thing 210 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: for me in this case is how long distance these 211 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: kills are for whoever this person is, right, Like, it's 212 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: I think it's very un likely that whoever poisoned these 213 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: drinks was actually they're observing when somebody came up and 214 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: was a victim of theirs, right, It's almost as if 215 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: you just did it and walked away. And it is 216 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: also not like Ted Kazinski or one of these people 217 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: that you know how to target or knew they were 218 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: sending something through the mail to a specific person. This 219 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: is a random person that was going to get injured 220 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: or killed due to their actions. Which I just I 221 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: don't understand the psychology of that and how it It 222 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: just doesn't it doesn't even compare to me to a 223 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: lot of the other deaths that we're gonna be talking 224 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: about today, and killers who are so up close and 225 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: personal with their actions. It's just interesting that this was 226 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: enough of a phenomenon, like around Japan because of this 227 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: seemingly failed marketing attempt, that someone was able to capitalize 228 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: it and kind of go undiscovered. I mean, it's like 229 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: the drink equivalent of like YouTube putting that album on 230 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: everyone's iPod. That's still to this day, people can't figure 231 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: out how to get off that. We don't want your 232 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't want your new album, we don't want your 233 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: free drink um, and you literally created a public health 234 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: nightmare or the opportunity for one anyway. Well, you know, 235 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: I love him or hate him, you can at least 236 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: we can all at least agree the band You Too 237 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: has not been poisoning people physically. We're gonna pause for 238 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and then we will return, 239 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately with more examples of serial killers on the loose. 240 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: We're back, Matt. This is one that I believe really 241 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: stood out for you. It takes us to Brazil. There 242 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: is or was a serial killer who got away that 243 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the media called the Rainbow Killer due to the nature 244 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: of the victims this individual was targeting. Oh yeah, sure, 245 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: this one made a couple of lists that exist out 246 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: there you can find right now of you know, unsolved killers. Um, 247 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: this one is particularly grizzly. And as we start telling 248 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: you the story, you'll kind of figure out towards the 249 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: end why it feels something feels off with it. Over 250 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: the course of just I guess it's eighteen months officially 251 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: in Brazil, this person that was dubbed the rainbow Killer 252 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: or the rainbow Maniac that was that's the one that 253 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: I've seen most commonly used. The Rainbow Maniac. Uh. This 254 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: person killed at least thirteen people. It's thought that perhaps 255 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: that number is sixteen or even higher. But thirteen people 256 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: in particular were killed execution style in Patteris Park and 257 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: they were then I guess dumped or sometimes just left 258 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: in nearby bushes there within the park. And this specific 259 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: meth of killing was often a gun shot to the 260 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: head and when the victims were found at least in 261 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: the thirteen these thirteen particular cases, the victims trousers, their 262 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: pants were pulled down of like to their their knees. 263 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I believe was there also signs of the trauma, like 264 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: outside of the bullet wounds, like they were beaten before 265 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: being executed. Yeah there, Yeah, well we'll get into it. 266 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: One of one of the victims was shot many more 267 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: times than the others. Yeah, it appears that the first 268 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: documented case happened on the fourth of July two thousand seven. 269 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: These murders took place around the same geographical area, right 270 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: around that park you described, Matt. And also, we are 271 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: not native Portuguese speakers, so pardon in a miss pronunciations. 272 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: We do want to be respectful. This is happening in 273 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: context in the country. There are ultra conservative groups that 274 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: are railing against the idea of lgbt Q people just existing. 275 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: They're just they're mad that those people exist. Uh. And 276 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: this park is kind of a ground zero hook up 277 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: spot for illicit rendezvous. And we know that in two 278 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, one person actually went to trial, went 279 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: to a jury trial on suspicion of these homicides. This 280 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: guy was a retired police sergeant named Yarro Francisco Franco. 281 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: He was arrested based on the testimony of two eye witnesses. 282 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: In particular, two of them put him at the park 283 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: at the time of one of the murders, and one 284 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: said he Franco had the same posture as the assailant. 285 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: But again, we know eye witness testimony can be unfortunately 286 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: it's not it's not waterproof, it doesn't always hold sand. 287 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 1: And as a particular victim was supposedly shot twelve times, 288 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: the one that uh, this person was, you know, supposedly 289 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: seen carrying out Yeah, and as a result, the jury 290 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: found this person, Franco, not guilty of the murders. This 291 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: establishes a pattern that we see often in the world 292 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: of serial murderers, praying on the disadvantaged, right, praying on 293 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: the folks who exist on some level at the fringes 294 00:20:54,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: of society. Now, to be clear, Brazil has a reputee 295 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: Asian as a tremendously gender progressive country, at least on paper. 296 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: But if you look at nonprofit gay rights groups, places 297 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: like Group of Guy, the Baia, again Portuguese speakers, uh, 298 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: this is the oldest organization of its type in the 299 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: country of Brazil, and they will tell you that Brazil 300 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: remains one of the world leaders in the murders of 301 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: lgbt Q and non binary individuals. And at this point, 302 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe we take a second to 303 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: note the danger of the media in in these sorts 304 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: of crimes and in reporting them here in the US. 305 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: If you're not a citizen or resident of this country, 306 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: if you haven't spent a lot of time here, you 307 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: need to know that there is a terrible habit in reporting. 308 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: It is a kind of is feede click baity thing 309 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: we would call it now, where you give these criminals 310 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: some sort of catchy name, right like Matt No, we 311 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: were just talking a second ago, rainbow Maniac, rainbow killer. 312 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: This may not be helpful to the actual investigators, you know, 313 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,959 Speaker 1: And unfortunately we know from interviews post arrest with proven 314 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: serial killers they like the monikers. And I think it's 315 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: a dangerous thing. I mean, you guys do true crime 316 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: shows all the time, you ep them, you produce them. 317 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: What do you think about this this nomenclature. I guess 318 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: it feels like this is a dated thing, like these 319 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of gross nicknames that are like, yeah, inflammatory and flashy, 320 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: like I can't think of you know, in in in 321 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: America that going over well, you know in mainstream media 322 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: or like you know, newspapers. Oh yeah, that totally makes sense, right. 323 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, even if I think a killer called themselves 324 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: something again the way the zodiac the zodiac did, uh, 325 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: or the freeway phantom or something like that, you probably well, 326 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: I wonder. I wonder because you would get clicks right 327 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: right now, The media would get clicks on their websites 328 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: and on social media if you've got a name that 329 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: can trend. I mean, that's I think that's the tough 330 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: truth about it. Yeah, it's it's the hybridization of media 331 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: to where there used to be to some degree, you know, 332 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: ethical guidelines and how it's kind of a free for 333 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: all and whose first to market with the story or 334 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: who gets to coin the name. But I still wonder if, 335 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: in the kind of woke uh you know culture that 336 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: we live in, if it wouldn't just kind of be 337 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: a bad look and people would be like, oh, gross, BuzzFeed, 338 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't know, that's just 339 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: just a thought. It's interesting because there's also a bit 340 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: of a faucian bargain at play. I would pause it 341 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: if you can by hook or by crook get more 342 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: attention to a story than are you raising the possibility 343 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: that these crimes will be solved? That is that's a dilemma, 344 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: it's a pickle. It's a question without an answer just yet, 345 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: And speaking of questions without answers, we're going to pause 346 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: for a moment, and when we return, we're going to 347 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about self identifying murderers and 348 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: about the power of those names. And we've returned, we 349 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: want to end part one of this series on this case, 350 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: speaking of questions without answers, folks, fellow conspiracy realist, we 351 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: want to know your opinion, as I believe it's fair 352 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: to say that all of us are on the fence here. 353 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: Our final story today takes us to Bangladesh. It is 354 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: a beautiful country with an ancient history. It's an ancient land, 355 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: and it is besieged by sexual assault. So heads up. 356 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: We did a disclaimer at the beginning. We want to 357 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: do another disclaimer now because we're about to explore some 358 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: intensely unclean and disturbingly true facts here. It is from 359 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: January to September of twenty alone, over one thousand women 360 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: were sexually assaulted in Bangladesh. Forty three of those victims 361 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: died as a direct result of those assaults. And you 362 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: have to note this statistic, which is true and confirmed, 363 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: does not count non binary people, It does not count 364 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: trans people, It does not necessarily count children. It is 365 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: only an official statistic stick, which sadly means it misses 366 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: a great deal without getting into the harrowing experience of 367 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: any assault victim reporting these types of crimes. It is 368 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: certain that there's a lot more to that number. A 369 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: lot of these assaults simply do not get reported. And 370 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: this led someone in Bangladesh. We believe one person to 371 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: take matters into their own hands. Yeah, it's weird. This 372 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: one's a bit weird in my opinion, because we're only 373 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: talking about two weeks, right, this is it's almost a 374 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: spree killing, less of a serial killing. But it also 375 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: matches those the descriptions of those deaths and killings and 376 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: killers as well. Um in the years twenty nineteen, there's 377 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: two weeks, Like we said, at least three men it. 378 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: I think there might be more. At least we're going 379 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: to be finding out more, I think in the future, 380 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: unless this really was just a single spree thing. But 381 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: three three men who were suspected of sexual assault. They 382 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: were all the prime suspect, right or one of the 383 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: prime suspects within cases. They were each found murdered, and 384 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: each of them had a note around their neck. In 385 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: two of those cases, the men's names were written on 386 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: that note. Yes, and at least two and you can 387 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: you can find the pattern. You can see the notes. 388 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: These notes escalate in specificity, or so it would seem. 389 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: The first one simply reads, I am name. We're not 390 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: going to give their specific names. Quote I am name, 391 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: I am the rapist of quote victim name. This is 392 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: my punishment. They were found dead, murdered via gunshot. The 393 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: second note says, quote, I am the prime accused in 394 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: a rape case and quote dead the same way. Looks 395 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: like the same firearm. Not publicly identified yet, but local 396 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement seems to confirm that they believe it was 397 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: the same person. The third not the third note escalates 398 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: and ticks a couple of boxes for serial murderer. This 399 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: is a self identified thing. Yeah, it said, I am name, 400 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: I am the rapist of a madrassa girl of Bandaria. 401 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: Uh and this is the consequence of a rapist bewaring 402 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: rapists Hercules. Yeah, chi chilling, dude, It's powerful. And there's 403 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: some weird stuff with this case. Okay, so there are 404 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: victims of sexual assault and then these victims of murder 405 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: are are suspects, right, So there's been no trial, no 406 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: legal process to confirm whether or not they were actually 407 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: the rapists. But these the families of these victims, the 408 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: murder victims, have some interesting stories that they've been telling 409 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: the media, and many of them are that at least 410 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: in two cases that plain closed, men showed up in 411 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: either a van or another vehicle and picked up you know, 412 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: their husband or their friend or their son or their 413 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: neighbor and put them into that vehicle and they drove 414 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: off and that was the last time the murder victim 415 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: was seen. That to me is very highly strange. Yeah, 416 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like more than one person, 417 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: more than one perpetrator responsible. It sounds like there's cooperation 418 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: going on here. And it is almost certain that the 419 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: individuals or individual responsible whomever is identifying as Hercules, that 420 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: individual or that group does not think of itself as 421 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: a serial murderer. It thinks of itself as doing justice. 422 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: When the courts failed to do so and well, and 423 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: they identify themselves as in a part of an investigative team, 424 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: like so part of the law enforcement there in in 425 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: that area of Bangladesh. I mean, that's that's creepy. It's 426 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,959 Speaker 1: like plain closed officers. Maybe they're not officers at all. 427 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Maybe they are, And how how can you prove that 428 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: because you'd have to be a pretty significant and serious investigation, 429 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: and it seems like maybe that's not gonna happen. Yeah, 430 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: it's a good point. The police and local law enforcement 431 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: don't seem particularly keen to solve these cases. Also, it 432 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: is possible and and again legally we're not saying anything 433 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: for sure, but it is possible that they could be 434 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: involved with law enforcement whomever is identifying as hercules. And 435 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: this gets to the question we want ask you, fellow 436 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist vigilante crimes. This unfortunately ticks all the boxes 437 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: of serial murder, right, we see a specific demographic of victim, 438 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: we see a specific motivation for murder, we see a 439 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: specific type of murder. Again, it looks like it was 440 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: the same firearm or similar firearm even down to you know, 441 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: we don't have information because it hasn't been publicly released, 442 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: but it it seems like the same person or people 443 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: doing this thing and then also looking for some acknowledgement 444 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: from media, looking for some notoriety, call me hercules whomever 445 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: is saying. And the question is then, you know, the 446 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: question then is if this ticks all the boxes for 447 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: serial murder, where we go with this? Where do we go? 448 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: Because obviously whomever is responsible for this seems convinced that 449 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: they are. They're taking the lives of people who deserve it, 450 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: and that's not us passing judgment. We just want to 451 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: know what you think in that regard. Yeah, Well, the 452 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: only reason I cast or kind of cast out on 453 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: it being a serial killer is because that it doesn't 454 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: seem like there's much of a cooling off period at all. 455 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: It seems like a mission, like you're talking about here, Uh, 456 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: someone feels like they're on a mission to kill people. 457 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: But it's I don't know, it's it's different in a 458 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: lot of ways. Did we talk before about there has 459 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: to be a certain stretch of a cooling off period 460 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: for it to be considered serial murder rather than spree killings? Yes, yeah, 461 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: per FBI definition. Yeah, but would a vigilante be considered 462 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: a serial killer if they're not compelled by some psychological drive. 463 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the re it doesn't matter. It's 464 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: it's about the pattern, But the intent seems like it 465 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: would matter. Wouldn't you label this person of vigilante rather 466 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: than a serial killer if they are targeting certain individuals 467 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: as retribution? That's the question, you know, it's it's a 468 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: question that's difficult to answer because you could also consider 469 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: cases like um, it's not a one to one comparison 470 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: in any way, but you could consider cases like mafioso 471 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: or organized crime hitman, you know, enforcers like the iceman. 472 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: That guy killed a lot of people, and to him 473 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: it was his job. He didn't, you know, he wasn't uh, 474 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: He didn't have some voice named Jerry in his head 475 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: telling him to do stuff. He didn't always coming through 476 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: a cell phone in his ear. He was gonna get 477 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: paid a million dollars to do stuff, right. His neighbor's 478 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: dog wasn't commanding him to go out and kill like 479 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: Burka Wood said or anything like that. We're asking you, folks, 480 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: what is the line between vigilante retribution and what would 481 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: qualify as a spree murderer or a serial murderer. Is 482 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: there a line at all? And if so, what do 483 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: you think that is? More importantly, will these cases that 484 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: we have just kind of given you the broad strokes 485 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: of will they ever be solved? Will someone find who 486 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: was poisoning those vending machines in Japan? Will someone in 487 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: Brazil finally get convicted of these various crimes? Will the 488 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: case of Hercules ever be solved? And Matt to your 489 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: point about patterns. If this entity individual or group identifying 490 00:34:52,120 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: as Hercules returns and attributes more and vic hims, I mean, 491 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: if it, whatever it is, if it racks up more deaths, 492 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: does that not officially make it a serial killer at 493 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: that point because then we would have the dormancy period 494 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: which takes it past a spree killing. That's an interesting thing. Yeah, 495 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: because we're talking twenty nineteens gonna be three years here? Yeah, 496 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: I suppose. I I don't know, man, It's odd to 497 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: me that there were four three known for sure killings 498 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: that were done by Hercules, at least according to the 499 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: notes that match up, that they all occurred in those 500 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: two weeks, then they didn't happen again. Man, I just 501 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: I want to learn more about the case, like I 502 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: want to do a deep dive on that at some point, 503 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: maybe not maybe not on the show, but that this 504 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: this in particular has just got all my wheels turning. Agreed, 505 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 1: and I think this is one of the ones that's 506 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: going to stay with us because we also have to 507 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: we also have to consider the idea that law enforcement 508 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: may be involved. We also have to consider the fact 509 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: that the three the three murders, uh, those those individuals 510 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: were not suspected in the same crime, only in the 511 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: same type of crime, which again curious or and curious 512 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: or We want to hear from you, folks. 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