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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Draft Show, twenty eight days until
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Speaker 1: says Dane Brugler, CBS Sports. David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
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Speaker 1: to get your opinion on a particular player that worked
Speaker 1: out today, Dane's. I also want to get into some
Speaker 1: draft room discussions. This time of year, it's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys we work here at the at the Star,
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Speaker 1: and then we have another edition of Tell Me More.
Speaker 1: I really do like tell Me More because it's not
Speaker 1: just dealing with the top guys in the draft. It's
Speaker 1: dealing with guys. It might be priority free agents, might
Speaker 1: be guys six seventh round picks. Yeah, the goal is
Speaker 1: to not talk about top guys. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that's a really I think that helps a lot of fans.
Speaker 1: If we can find ways to again educate fans on
Speaker 1: the players in this draft, just not the top players,
Speaker 1: but but all players in this draft, I think we
Speaker 1: do a great thing. Dane's gonna tell us a bit
Speaker 1: about the Beast is coming out here very soon. He's
Speaker 1: just got that done, so we'll get into that a
Speaker 1: little bit and visit as well. So everybody doing well.
Speaker 1: Ready to go, Dane. We're under a month now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that? That's hard to believe that. I mean
Speaker 1: this you mentioned last week, Dave. How just it seems
Speaker 1: this process is going a lot quicker this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just from the Senior Bowl of the
Speaker 1: Combine to uh, you know here we are now almost
Speaker 1: finished with Pro days, right, We're getting to get to April.
Speaker 1: You're right, you're done with the Pro day it's the
Speaker 1: last stretch, and there'll be plenty of news this month.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll have the medical rechecks in a few
Speaker 1: weeks April thirteenth and fourteen. Right, the private workouts, well,
Speaker 1: plenty to talk about, but hard to believe. We're under
Speaker 1: a month now. And uh so it's today, a couple
Speaker 1: couple of pro days and at Texas and am yeah,
Speaker 1: down in College station. You know what time? You know
Speaker 1: what part of the process is coming now is the
Speaker 1: like I'm hearing, yeah, like scouts are telling me, this
Speaker 1: is the lies. This is where lying seasons start. A
Speaker 1: lot of concerns about inter here whatever. This is actually
Speaker 1: the slander part of this is this is where and
Speaker 1: in your in your mock drafts right now are kind
Speaker 1: of just you're just hanging on because you're getting ready
Speaker 1: to have that last one that's gonna be the one,
Speaker 1: whether they're gonna a right, and see where you're at.
Speaker 1: You mentioned pro days Today we had Texas A and
Speaker 1: m workout. Miles Garrett worked out. Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you. Yeah. Unofficially, Miles Garrett runs
Speaker 1: a four six one forty, but he works out for
Speaker 1: he works out for the scouts stare down at in
Speaker 1: College Station. Why again is Miles Garrett working out? He's
Speaker 1: a competitor, you know, he was asked before the Bowl game,
Speaker 1: you know, when it was inconsistent about that. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was the hot topic. You know, Christian McCaffrey is sitting out,
Speaker 1: Befohett was sitting out. He was asked about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, he said there was no question in his
Speaker 1: mind he was gonna play. So he's a competitor. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't he played half the season on one leg.
Speaker 1: You know, he maybe answering those questions a little bit
Speaker 1: right that. People talking about the Alabama game how he
Speaker 1: wasn't that impressive against Camp Robinson. Well, he was playing
Speaker 1: on one leg. He shouldn't have been playing, but he
Speaker 1: wanted to. He wasn't going to miss that game. So
Speaker 1: the guy's competitor, and I give him credit for wanting
Speaker 1: to go out and he lit up the combine pretty
Speaker 1: sure it did you even better? Yeah, with the with
Speaker 1: the Pro day and with all thirty two teams in
Speaker 1: College Station this morning, I get it. It's not like
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett was the it was the only guy there.
Speaker 1: They've got other players. They have plenty of players there,
Speaker 1: and so that's why thirty two teams were in attendance.
Speaker 1: But if I'm Miles Garrett, if I was his agent,
Speaker 1: i would tell him you're not working out. You're gonna
Speaker 1: pack my hand and the enjoy the conversation meat with teams,
Speaker 1: talk to them. But there is absolutely nothing you can
Speaker 1: do on a pro day that is going to change
Speaker 1: a team's opinion of you. Yeah. So, and credit to
Speaker 1: him for playing, grinding and out playing hurt. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: good teammates stuff. He's not on a team right now.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have teammates to be there for. He needs
Speaker 1: to be looking out for himself. Yeah, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about nothing good that can happen to him. Sidney Jones,
Speaker 1: Fabe Moreau too. That's all you need to say. An
Speaker 1: example the fact, and we're gonna get to that. Things
Speaker 1: have happened, and he still wants to work out, as
Speaker 1: baffling to Yeah, we'll get we'll gonna get to this
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here by other pro days Texas
Speaker 1: and him. Today we had Florida and Florida State. That
Speaker 1: was unusual. Florida and Florida State on Tuesday it's past Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I hope you can follow along dascowboys dot com. We
Speaker 1: have a David sets up, we have the major pro Days.
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Speaker 1: We've got them all tapped up for you. There. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Tennessee. Big Pro Day Friday. Be interesting to see
Speaker 1: for Barnett's sake. We all kind of think that Barnett's
Speaker 1: going to be a top fifteen type of player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he at the combine Kamara as well, not top fifteen,
Speaker 1: Big big day for him as well. Right, and they've
Speaker 1: got a few other guys, Josh Malone, right, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what Josh Dobbs does. I think there are
Speaker 1: some teams out there that really like Josh Dobbs. I
Speaker 1: don't see it, but I get it with uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the person that he is. You know, he'll fit some
Speaker 1: some of the profiles that teams are looking for at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. But with Barnett, he was very sick
Speaker 1: at the combine, right, and that effected his results. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about Garrett being a competitor, Barnet's competitor.
Speaker 1: He wasn't going to sit out the combine, even though
Speaker 1: he wasn't out one hundred percent. So eager to see
Speaker 1: the numbers, the agility testing, see how he does at
Speaker 1: Tennessee's pro Day. I see if he can boost some
Speaker 1: of those numbers and show better than what we saw
Speaker 1: at Indianapolis. I'm gonna get into his now some draft
Speaker 1: room discussions, because that's what's going on now. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's going on right now. Me and this
Speaker 1: and this is this is where, and I'll throw some
Speaker 1: I'll throw some out there. Just I mean, it's about
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about Tabor from Florida. A lot
Speaker 1: made about that forty yard dash time at the combine.
Speaker 1: He was a four six one guy Florida Pro Day.
Speaker 1: Thought he was going to run better, gets into four sevens,
Speaker 1: four seven three, four seven five, Nothing really great about that.
Speaker 1: You were kind of hopeful that that, Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: hopeful that he would be better, that the forty time
Speaker 1: would be better. But it's not well, it's you didn't
Speaker 1: think he could do worse. You know, I didn't think
Speaker 1: you could do worse. That was the conversation, like, oh,
Speaker 1: he ran a four to six two at the Conwell,
Speaker 1: you know he'll he'll run it again at the pro day,
Speaker 1: and you know he can't do any worse than that. Well,
Speaker 1: not only does he do worse, but he does significantly worse.
Speaker 1: That's bad for a linebacker. Let me ask you this though,
Speaker 1: as a scout, you're jumping up on the table for him.
Speaker 1: If you're put put you know, you're Will McClay or
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. Ask you a question. You're the you're the
Speaker 1: Southeast scout, You're you're Mitchella point for the Cowboys. You're
Speaker 1: gonna jump up on that table for Tabor. Very very
Speaker 1: difficult discussion, and I think it needs to be a
Speaker 1: discussion because so you're not gonna go strong on this one.
Speaker 1: I'm not standing on the table. No, But this is
Speaker 1: a player who showed well on tape, who has down
Speaker 1: passes right, but he's also aided by a defense that
Speaker 1: has plenty of other pros on it at safety with
Speaker 1: Marcus May the other three technique exactly putting pressure up front.
Speaker 1: Davis alone E there are plenty of other NFL players
Speaker 1: on this defense. Uh, and that helped, you know, that
Speaker 1: helped Tabor. You know, if you wanted to jump passes,
Speaker 1: he didn't have to protect against his lack of speed downfield. Well,
Speaker 1: you sound torn about this. I am. This is it's
Speaker 1: difficult because I like the tape, but there is not
Speaker 1: a position in the NFL that's more dependent on speed
Speaker 1: than corner. A wide receiver, running back, linebacker, safety. You
Speaker 1: can do with average speed. You can mask average speed
Speaker 1: with you know, strengths and other spots, and at corner
Speaker 1: you can do you can mask average speed. But four six,
Speaker 1: four seven that's not average speed for a corner. That's
Speaker 1: below average. And so how do you how do you
Speaker 1: factor this in when the tape is as well? It's good,
Speaker 1: it is, but this Taber is a player who isn't
Speaker 1: technically sound. He relies on just pure instinct on his
Speaker 1: you know, he has a knack for you know, jumping
Speaker 1: passes and making plays on the ball, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: do it with any rhyme or reason. He just he
Speaker 1: kind of goes out and plays football. He's got a
Speaker 1: great feel for it, right, and he does. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's also going in against the NFL and NFL receivers
Speaker 1: who are savvy and they understand how to set him
Speaker 1: up and or you know, do you really trust him
Speaker 1: in that capacity? I don't know. I really struggle with
Speaker 1: this player and putting a value on where I'd be
Speaker 1: comfortable drafting him and putting him on the board. This
Speaker 1: this cornerback spot, Dave, I'm gonna ask you this, this
Speaker 1: cornerback spot where Dallas maybe felt pretty comfortable at twenty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of turned into a disaster, hadn't it was
Speaker 1: Cindy Jones. Disaster feels harsh, But yeah, I mean when
Speaker 1: you tabor, I mean, no, if you're sitting there looking
Speaker 1: at it, if you're if you're if you're wanting you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw numbers it ready, you can go numbers
Speaker 1: at this thing. You can go find us in January
Speaker 1: or February. Like, there's about eight guys there that and
Speaker 1: you know some of them are going to be there
Speaker 1: at twenty eight and that number is kind of dwindling. Well,
Speaker 1: the position that you want a guy at, say at
Speaker 1: twenty eight, you're you're everybody's comfortable to taking City Jones?
Speaker 1: All right? Was was was? I'm more comfortable to taking Moreau.
Speaker 1: You know at twenty eight. At twenty eight, you'd still
Speaker 1: take him there, I would, I would, Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: him over Taber. I think you'll be ready for the season.
Speaker 1: I think that peck thing, I think that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I maintain my position from earlier. You don't
Speaker 1: like hurt players, No, no, no, no, that's not what
Speaker 1: I was gonna A peck doesn't scare me as much
Speaker 1: as an achilles or the shoulder. Yeah. Well, and McKinley
Speaker 1: is another story. But I still understand how shoulder and
Speaker 1: McKinley scares you, but there's it doesn't know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: scare me. And you guys have done a good job
Speaker 1: into talking me into McKinley. It doesn't scare me. I
Speaker 1: just rather have him on the field. But I'd be
Speaker 1: fine drafting him because I know when he's healed from that,
Speaker 1: he should be fine. Like, I don't worry about it
Speaker 1: long term. I would just rather he missed almost all
Speaker 1: last year with a foot injury. Now you're talking me
Speaker 1: back out of it. I'm just saying, what is it?
Speaker 1: State in facts, I want healthy players, and two your
Speaker 1: you didn't ask me, but I speak up. His podcast
Speaker 1: is called Trust the Tape. Yeah, there's something to be
Speaker 1: said for the amount of talent on the Florida defense.
Speaker 1: This goes back to my Taco Charlton thing too. If
Speaker 1: I was taking this guy at four, that would be
Speaker 1: a nightmare. But when you consider that twenty eight as
Speaker 1: a second round pick anyway, which it is, I'll take him.
Speaker 1: I'll take He's got multiple years of proving that he
Speaker 1: can hold his own against quality receivers from the SEC.
Speaker 1: He's a scout from Louisiana. Makes a little sense a
Speaker 1: second round pick a long track. I take him. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not. I'm not backing up. I would do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not backing up. I'm looking at that tape. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing with a Connecticut kid. You know, I
Speaker 1: believe the tape. I believe that tape on that Connecticut kid,
Speaker 1: I really do. He worked out like a Champ six four,
Speaker 1: running like he does now. I will say like that though,
Speaker 1: I will say this, and we've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: you know, Tabor being a bad interview maybe like maybe
Speaker 1: not just fair. It's right kind of guy, we'll see.
Speaker 1: That scares me more than his four seven. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, you think the Cowboys bring him in? Yeah? Probably,
Speaker 1: you think he's one of they're gonna throw numbers at it.
Speaker 1: They don't have a defensive backfield, so he's the prime
Speaker 1: candidate to bring in because you want to do your
Speaker 1: due diligence on a player like this. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of questions. So you bring him in
Speaker 1: and you sit them down, put them on the board.
Speaker 1: You know, you find out more about the person. Uh
Speaker 1: just you know this, this cocky, brash attitude. Is it
Speaker 1: more of a persona that he's taken on, you know
Speaker 1: it just because that's what you have to be as
Speaker 1: a corner or is that truly just his personality? And
Speaker 1: that's sounds like Bosa last year. I remember last year
Speaker 1: when they brought in like every conceivable quarterback might be
Speaker 1: able to draft. I think they're going to do the
Speaker 1: same thing with corner. Gotcha? How about this draft room talk?
Speaker 1: How about two safeties going in the top five? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so much? No, I well, no, I gotta
Speaker 1: throw another one at you. How about how about Mahomes
Speaker 1: in the offensive scheme? I guy's visiting eighteen teams it
Speaker 1: sounds like, yeah, he's he's gonna he's gonna go in
Speaker 1: a free trip somewhere in the United States because of
Speaker 1: frequent flyer miles. Go see, let's go see the country.
Speaker 1: We kill that scheme. Yeah, it doesn't produce very many
Speaker 1: good pros. It hasn't produced an eight teen teams wanting
Speaker 1: to work this guy out. He's got his pro DA
Speaker 1: coming up to by the way, in Lubbock. He's the
Speaker 1: most physically gifted of any quarterback in this class. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's fair. You had him in your top fifty to
Speaker 1: start that. I give you credit. Yeah, I did you credit.
Speaker 1: You saw the player and he's still there. You know,
Speaker 1: he's right there in the mid second round. By this bothers,
Speaker 1: you've done it these draft room discussions. No, I just
Speaker 1: I get both. I guess I see both sides. Okay,
Speaker 1: start with the safety conversation. Yeah, I was just throwing
Speaker 1: stuff out there, just kind of looking around. But okay,
Speaker 1: this like with MALIEK. Cooker and uh and Adams out
Speaker 1: of LSU, if they're drafted top five, they'll instantly be
Speaker 1: one of the highest paid players at their position. And
Speaker 1: you know this is this is with the new CBA
Speaker 1: in the and you know, the slotting. It just we
Speaker 1: don't see safeties go that high very often. The safeties
Speaker 1: that do go that high, or the Sean Taylor's of
Speaker 1: the world, and neither of these guys you want to
Speaker 1: put in that conversation because that's putting a lot on
Speaker 1: both of them. I love Sean Taylor. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to put these two guys in that conversation.
Speaker 1: But they're both playmakers, and they're both two of the
Speaker 1: top five players in this draft, and so does the
Speaker 1: value match up? Uh? You know, do you would you
Speaker 1: rather take those two safeties or take two those wide receivers. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the two safeties in the top five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the safeties all day. Yeah for what it's just for
Speaker 1: the record, you could take out the names MALIEK. Cooker
Speaker 1: and Jamal Adams and put in Ezekiel Elliott and we're
Speaker 1: having the same conversation right last year. Oh, I was
Speaker 1: gonna get to that four Nette or cook That's gonna
Speaker 1: be a draft room discussion right there. McCaffrey. McCaffrey, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm just saying that I haven't seen I haven't
Speaker 1: seen I haven't seen McCaffrey in the top ten. I've
Speaker 1: seen people talking about cooking four Nette. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think McCaffrey has a better shot to go ahead
Speaker 1: of Cook, who just with the with the way McCaffrey has,
Speaker 1: what he's done over the last few months, compared to Cook.
Speaker 1: You also factor in Cook's off field past, his injury history.
Speaker 1: I think McCaffrey has a better chance of coming off
Speaker 1: the board before before Cook. We're worried about anything. When
Speaker 1: you turn in Christian McCaffrey's you know exactly the type
Speaker 1: of player you're getting. You know exactly person you're getting. Um. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not the case with some of these other guys.
Speaker 1: But with safety, I'm okay, back to the safety conversation,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about either of these two guys. People
Speaker 1: can talk about how you don't take a safety top
Speaker 1: five unless they're truly elite or you know, they're guys
Speaker 1: Day one. What elite elite guys here? I think they
Speaker 1: have potential to be. I both have questions Like Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: he you should hear people talk about him, you know,
Speaker 1: like Scouts and people around the LSU leader they glow
Speaker 1: talking about his intangible as the leader that he is,
Speaker 1: the person that he is, he I don't think. I
Speaker 1: think he's a very very solid player. I'm not convinced
Speaker 1: as he's gonna go to multiple Pro Bowls. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he has that potential. I think he'll compete
Speaker 1: for that type of distinction, but I'm not convinced that's
Speaker 1: the type of playmaker he is. Where with Millie Cooker,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him work out because the injuries one year.
Speaker 1: Wonder you know, the ball skills, his coverage range and
Speaker 1: the deep half of the field can be elite, but
Speaker 1: there are some questions there. We really tackle and he will.
Speaker 1: He's like a kind of a cut down tackler. Sometimes
Speaker 1: that's fair to say. Yeah, yeah, so there are questions
Speaker 1: with these guys, but they would not scare me from
Speaker 1: taking either top five. See that's the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: I'm let me get into another one. How about this?
Speaker 1: How about these tight ends? You can take a tight end,
Speaker 1: You're gonna draft a big wide receiver. What are you
Speaker 1: doing there talking about in the NFL? Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that if you look at the if you look
Speaker 1: at the you know, what are you doing with these
Speaker 1: tight ends, they all run fast. The evolution of the position.
Speaker 1: That's what the tight end position is in the NFL. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: but how valuable is it if you hit on them? Though?
Speaker 1: Like how valuable are though? Sure you better have you
Speaker 1: better have Hooker or Adams icover them. Right. Then? That's
Speaker 1: why safeties are more important than today's NFL because of
Speaker 1: these tight ends that are coming through. I mean, every
Speaker 1: you would like the prototypical wide tight end, you know,
Speaker 1: inline guy, but these guys are f's, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're the joker, the move tight ends who kind of
Speaker 1: flux all over the offensive formation. And you know they're
Speaker 1: not guys you want blocking, you know, snap and snap out,
Speaker 1: but they can be mismatches as as pass etchers and
Speaker 1: really help you out in the red zone, stretch the field.
Speaker 1: So you know, Najoku and Howard and Shaheen, I mean,
Speaker 1: Shaheen at least has a chance to play in line.
Speaker 1: He does. That's to me. See, these are the kinds
Speaker 1: of questions these guys are gonna ask, well, and that's
Speaker 1: what And to give people kind of context, there shouldn't
Speaker 1: be much debate on draft weekend about these guys. No,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening right now, Yeah, yours are happening right
Speaker 1: You were fighting for Tabor right now. If you believe
Speaker 1: in Tabor, if you're Dane Brugler and that's your school,
Speaker 1: and you've seen him play and you've got up close
Speaker 1: to him and watched him practice, this is the time
Speaker 1: you better stand up, because if you don't stand up,
Speaker 1: you're not helping your team. Yeah, you don't. You don't
Speaker 1: want to get bullied in this thing. This is where
Speaker 1: you don't get bullied. And this is where any scout
Speaker 1: that has watched him is in this room. Yeah. Probably
Speaker 1: you know, the defensive coaches, the cornerback coach, the defensive coordinate,
Speaker 1: I'm there in this room, the general manager, head coach,
Speaker 1: they're in this room. So this is Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: your chance to tell everyone in that room what you
Speaker 1: think of the player, how he fits the particular scheme
Speaker 1: of the team that you're drafting for, and give him
Speaker 1: a greade, put him on the board. That sounds so frustrating.
Speaker 1: It's like you spend ten months of your life getting
Speaker 1: this guy down, and like the coach comes in and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, tips look kind of always talking fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes at the camp. Yeah, I don't like I this.
Speaker 1: This always reminds me of that story when I say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I never called third down defense. I
Speaker 1: never went down the field and called a third down defense.
Speaker 1: I could try and find you somebody to play third
Speaker 1: down defense. But be careful because I'm never gonna go
Speaker 1: into that. I'm never gonna go down to the coaching
Speaker 1: box and say, hey, I'm sorry, Rod, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: this call here. Let's go Simon Nickel out there. Let's
Speaker 1: go send this to a coach. Yeah do that, and yeah,
Speaker 1: do that and see what happens. I said, I said
Speaker 1: that to a coach one time. Who'd you fight? Who
Speaker 1: are you fighting for? Oh? I always fought Parcels. I
Speaker 1: got fired because of Parcels. But over what player? Like
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson Awesome, he thought he was a malcontent. Al
Speaker 1: Davis had poisoned him to where he thought he was
Speaker 1: a malcontent. He goes, I can't coach guy. Mal contents
Speaker 1: brought us. I can't coach those guys. I'm too old
Speaker 1: to do that. Coach, he's a leader, he's been banged. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's always hurt. He had a toe problem. I got
Speaker 1: fired because of Charles Woodson, he's one of the greatest
Speaker 1: dbs ever. Yeah, he went to Green Bay. They still
Speaker 1: have a report. I'm sure. I wish they had it
Speaker 1: out on that. When you take the tour here at
Speaker 1: the Star, I wish they had my report on Charles
Speaker 1: Woodson up there. What if we had reports on the
Speaker 1: guy like you know here for those that don't know
Speaker 1: they have reports. Yeah, Mike, come take a tour of
Speaker 1: this place. DeMarcus ware. But what if they had the
Speaker 1: ones you know that page just whiffed him on. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: and we did that too, but I mean parcels, and
Speaker 1: I fought that was one of mine. I thought, Okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks guys for your thought of a draft room discussions.
Speaker 1: There'll be a lot of them and will be there
Speaker 1: to cover them as well. We're coming back. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: and Potato's question not surprising from friend of the show Joey.
Speaker 1: You see him on Cowboys Twitter all the time. There
Speaker 1: you go, quality follow. He wants to know about a
Speaker 1: guy that you've been talking about Brian t J Watt.
Speaker 1: T J Watt, he wants to know, have the Cowboys
Speaker 1: figured out or has anybody for that matter figured out
Speaker 1: more of a linebacker or a right end. A lot
Speaker 1: of people comparing him to guys like Anthony Barr and
Speaker 1: even Randy Gregory before I really liked Anthony Barr's a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have him in that same category.
Speaker 1: But I think that the Cowboys and talking to some folks,
Speaker 1: they're gonna pay him at defensive end is where they're
Speaker 1: going to play him. They see him as a right
Speaker 1: defensive end. And you know when you when you watch
Speaker 1: him play. And a matter of fact, I was when
Speaker 1: we were I was looking at some tape watching a
Speaker 1: quarterback from the Big ten, and he happened to make
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can win on the edge. You know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have he doesn't have the ability like of Abosa.
Speaker 1: Bosa was a top guy. But you talk about a
Speaker 1: relentless type of player. He fits into what they want
Speaker 1: to do. He's gonna be a Rod Marinelli kind of guy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to win right off the line.
Speaker 1: He's gonna play with his hands, he's gonna Chase. He's
Speaker 1: gonna tackle. He's gonna be a really steady players. I
Speaker 1: would say three downs because what you're gonna do is
Speaker 1: he's gonna he could play the run. He could. You
Speaker 1: can use him. You could move him out a little
Speaker 1: wider and have him rush the passer. He's got pass
Speaker 1: rush moves, He's got skill, he's got ability. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's the most explosive player. There is first
Speaker 1: step quickness, so I think there's some other guys in
Speaker 1: this draft did have more first step quickness. But when
Speaker 1: you're getting down at twenty eight, eight, you know, I
Speaker 1: personally would rather have Reddick is who I would rather have.
Speaker 1: I don't think Reddick will be there when they pick
Speaker 1: at twenty eight. That would be the guy. If you
Speaker 1: gave me the guy who is the outside linebacker potential,
Speaker 1: you know, hand on the ground type of guy, I
Speaker 1: would go with Reddick myself. But he's a first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. If his last name was Jones,
Speaker 1: T J. Jones, I'd go with that. I just first Nick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look at you, you look at the But I
Speaker 1: don't personally have him in the first round. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't have him in the first I think when you
Speaker 1: said it earlier, though you're talking about maybe you have
Speaker 1: twenty guys that I'm a broken record, but twenty eight,
Speaker 1: it's not a first round pick anyway. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: But to me, I would personally I have Reddick in
Speaker 1: the first round. I don't have what in the first round,
Speaker 1: but I could understand why the Cowboys will do what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do if they if they are looking at
Speaker 1: if you don't feel comfortable with Tack McKinley's shoulder, and
Speaker 1: you don't think that Reddick is going to be there
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, this is not a bad Damn or Harris.
Speaker 1: Those are the types of guys I personally feel like
Speaker 1: that that maybe Harris would be a better rusher at
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Then what I think? What is a better
Speaker 1: overall player? Yeah, okay, you mentioned Reddick, but they Reddick
Speaker 1: and what play two different positions? Right for you? Or no? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I would keep him both. I would keep I would
Speaker 1: I would I think they keeping Reddick as an edge
Speaker 1: rush Yeah, I'm keeping at Reddick as an edge rusher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell him. You think he's crazy, Dan, I think you're crazy. Boom.
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, I mean Reddick, I think he's two
Speaker 1: hundred size to be a consistent edge rusher. Right. To me,
Speaker 1: he's a stand up blindbacker and then you can you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to completely take him away as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. You want to put him down with his
Speaker 1: hand on the ground, maybe in nickel situations. I want
Speaker 1: him attacking. I just don't think he's a blur. When
Speaker 1: you watch him play, he's a blur. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he attacks, he plays, he plays. In my opinion, this
Speaker 1: is going to sound very clachic to say he does
Speaker 1: play bigger than his size because his ability to avoid,
Speaker 1: in his ability to run and to chase when you can.
Speaker 1: It's like watching our kid from from Ohio play linebacker Brown,
Speaker 1: Clara Brown, Blara Brown. When you watch Blara Brown, you've
Speaker 1: seen Blair Brown play. He's you can beat blockers to
Speaker 1: the point and make tackles before they block in that
Speaker 1: in that a good player. Yeah, I just I mean
Speaker 1: Reddick's two hundred and thirty five pounds. I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. To me, I don't see a
Speaker 1: guys can be even hold up at the point of
Speaker 1: attack consistently. I want him as a stand up guy.
Speaker 1: Uh more of a linebacker. Again, I don't he is
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. He can do that, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to completely take him out of that round a
Speaker 1: rotational system. Yeah, you don't think he could do Havoc
Speaker 1: recabit for the Seahawks. I that's okay, that's well, that's
Speaker 1: a great example. But they have Atlanta. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: mean that that kind of scheme where they played with
Speaker 1: a rotational group of guys. But I played a rotation here.
Speaker 1: When we're talking about a first round player, I want
Speaker 1: a three down player. Well yeah, okay, a pass rusher
Speaker 1: or a guy like is up on this table. So no,
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, a legitimate not that Wat's not a
Speaker 1: legitimate pass rusher. What's a good all around player? What
Speaker 1: do I want? Somebody that's going to create problems scheme wise?
Speaker 1: Can what create enough problems scheme wise for a defense?
Speaker 1: Are you worried about? What? Are you you kind of
Speaker 1: looking at your when you're an offensive coordinator? You want
Speaker 1: and we gotta get. We gotta make sure we take
Speaker 1: what out of this game. I don't see. I don't
Speaker 1: think they'd be saying that about Reddick as a strictly
Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. Now, I think Reddeck's a better
Speaker 1: player than what But I but I don't think Reddick's
Speaker 1: uh three down pass rusher either. I mean I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want them with his hand on the ground.
Speaker 1: I mean again, two hundred and thirty five pounds, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have ideal length, doesn't have the point of attack
Speaker 1: power that you want ideally for me for an edge rusher.
Speaker 1: So I want him as a linebacker, and then I
Speaker 1: want him as an occasional pass rusher too, so and
Speaker 1: that's in that type of role he's a better player
Speaker 1: who's better at So you're saying that Watt is better
Speaker 1: as better as a complete player if you're not gonna
Speaker 1: rush Reddick all the time. Yeah, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: strictly hand on the ground, defensive end, three down player,
Speaker 1: I would rather have Wat than Reddick in that type
Speaker 1: of role. But as an overall all around player, give
Speaker 1: me a Reddick. I think you can use them in
Speaker 1: different ways as a linebacker in different it sounds like
Speaker 1: you're like Reddick in a three four though, that's what
Speaker 1: it sounds like. You're saying. Well, I think player he
Speaker 1: could play anywhere in a three four four three. I
Speaker 1: can play any of those linebacker positions. He could play
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, he could play weeks strong. They move him around.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you see it? That sounds fascinating.
Speaker 1: And then like for the million times, but he's not.
Speaker 1: I don't His idea about him is not incorrect. But
Speaker 1: I just feel like, though, if in this day and age,
Speaker 1: you don't have guys defensive ends playing sixty snaps down
Speaker 1: after down after down, you just don't do it. Not
Speaker 1: in this scheme. You don't. Let's become highly specialized. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with what I really don't. I
Speaker 1: just I would like I would like a little bit
Speaker 1: more steam off that edge you have Harris ahead of
Speaker 1: what Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, purely as a pass
Speaker 1: for McKinley over them too, great debate. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: a good segue, Brian, which somebody by the name of
Speaker 1: Tack McKinley to Dallas, just to give you an idea
Speaker 1: of what we're dealing with here. I think, by the way,
Speaker 1: have a real name. Yeah no, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: be that guy or galp if you're getting you know,
Speaker 1: we we had real names. It's Okay, it's fine, it's okay,
Speaker 1: real names. I like to deal with real people. It's
Speaker 1: a good question from anonymous. Yeah, defensive ends who aren't
Speaker 1: in play because they're not a fit, whether they're like
Speaker 1: a three four or whatever. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: think this is important is because every year fans just
Speaker 1: kind of look at the list and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: every one of those Oregan guys who came out the
Speaker 1: last few years, get that guy. He needs a defense,
Speaker 1: and like they don't know that. It doesn't even make
Speaker 1: a lick of sense. So give me some give me
Speaker 1: something wise Arkansas. Yeah, how about Jones from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I think he could potentially fit as a I think
Speaker 1: he's a better five technique, but I think it potentially
Speaker 1: fit as a inside as a three Wormly see. I
Speaker 1: like Wormly as an end, straight end, Yeah, three four
Speaker 1: or four three. I think he do both. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's He's not that guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: scream off the edge and give you a pass, rush,
Speaker 1: help down and down out. But I think he's a
Speaker 1: very solid end regardless of scheme. It's Tarlton the same way.
Speaker 1: I think he has more. We're talking about Taco Charlton.
Speaker 1: We're talking about similar to one of his teammates, Triuble Peppers.
Speaker 1: Not who he is, but what he's going to be
Speaker 1: because he's it's all about the traits. It's all about
Speaker 1: who he can be next year and two years from
Speaker 1: now and the player he's going to grow into. Taco Charlton. You,
Speaker 1: I mean, you only have really one season of starting experience.
Speaker 1: I mean he's still very very young. You expect him
Speaker 1: to get better as a pass rusher. What about Mileek McDowell.
Speaker 1: Do you think he see that's another one. I think
Speaker 1: he's scheme specific. Do you think he Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: think I have him as an end. I have him
Speaker 1: in Charlton is ends. I don't disagree with what you're
Speaker 1: saying right there. I just thought that Wise Jones from
Speaker 1: North Carolina warmly. I thought those were guys more of
Speaker 1: those head up, base five technique defensive ends. That's why
Speaker 1: I had a little in my team's being a four
Speaker 1: three team. Yeah, so I kind of put those guys
Speaker 1: in a little category at the bottom. Awesome off to
Speaker 1: the side. Yeah, it's like out Passengo Villanova. See that's
Speaker 1: I like that, And that's a guy that we hear
Speaker 1: a lot about We've talked a lot about him. I
Speaker 1: don't really see it for this team looking at him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all tell me see, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't require right face. No, I see like I see
Speaker 1: those Dennis block in him. Sometimes see the accountants blocking him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I see the guy. It's gonna be the
Speaker 1: senator from Massachusetts blocking him. Yeah, you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: like Bill Bradley, the old basketball guy, you know with
Speaker 1: the d school. Yeah, he looks really stiff to me,
Speaker 1: and like not he's so tall. Yeah, he doesn't know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know better. I mean, he really does. But
Speaker 1: the problem is you draft a guy. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to take a guy like that high then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, and then everybody's gonna be mad when he's
Speaker 1: inactive every week, everybody's going, oh passing, awo, why is he?
Speaker 1: Why is he not on? I don't like, and I
Speaker 1: get your point, but like David Irving's super tall, but
Speaker 1: he's explosive. Yeah, he's got a feel for how to play.
Speaker 1: I don't. This guy has no feel for how to play.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get better, obviously, but I think you'd probably
Speaker 1: have to draft him at sixty if you wanted him, boy,
Speaker 1: that's really I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: goes somewhere in the third. I mean I think there's
Speaker 1: a possibility to last until the late third. But if yeah,
Speaker 1: if you really want him, then yes, I would take
Speaker 1: roach Shell from Notre Dame. I would take Willis from
Speaker 1: Kansas State. You like, I like Rochelle a lot. Jordan
Speaker 1: Willis is gonna go to like ten Pro Bowls. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling y'all, right now, that's Jordan Willis is like
Speaker 1: Tease Tabor from me. I struggle with him because there's
Speaker 1: oh but you you saw the you saw the three
Speaker 1: Cone and all that. I mean, he's just a film
Speaker 1: he could beIN. He's a good player, yeah, on film.
Speaker 1: I just there's some questions there that I not quite
Speaker 1: ready to get over. The him with the Villanova kid.
Speaker 1: Oh I'll take oh Willis. I like Willis a lot.
Speaker 1: I just when you compare him with Rivers from ys
Speaker 1: u Uh, Bowser from Kasten Bowser, that's another one we haven't.
Speaker 1: That's a guy we need to and I don't want
Speaker 1: to derail are on the twenty too much. But that's
Speaker 1: a guy that we need to talk about guys Bowser, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't very much. He's there's some early film you
Speaker 1: could watch him where he's not very good. You watch
Speaker 1: the Louisville game. You'd probably take him the first round.
Speaker 1: Well for a player, how frustrating is it to watch
Speaker 1: him and he's lined up on the edge, snap and
Speaker 1: he's dropping back? Yeah? Oh, kind of like what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do with Reddick? Huh? Well no, because he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be an edge rusher. He's gonna be a stand
Speaker 1: up linebacker. I mean, but he would, he'd be on
Speaker 1: the edge and then they instead of rushing him. Not
Speaker 1: to mention, Bowser's a lot bigger than Reddick is but
Speaker 1: with frustration level but guy dropping Yeah, because what he
Speaker 1: can do as a pass rusher and yet they wouldn't
Speaker 1: use him that way. I don't know Bowser. I think
Speaker 1: he needs a lot of work. Instinctively, he know he's
Speaker 1: very undeveloped there. But as an athlete potential Skyhi good
Speaker 1: Russian though, So okay, Bowser, Rivers and Willis, how do
Speaker 1: you rank those three? To me? Those are the guys
Speaker 1: in the second round that you kind of struggle with.
Speaker 1: A lot of bunches, Yeah, a lot of them. So
Speaker 1: how do you differentiate between those those three? I would
Speaker 1: probably go because see I have them all about the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so do I Willis? Yes, I will Rivers scares me
Speaker 1: because I'm watching Moss on the other side, who we've
Speaker 1: talked about making plays and I'm waiting for Rivers, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he makes one. I'm like going, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to find. I don't know Willis
Speaker 1: Rivers Bowser from me? Say again, Willis Rivers Bowser. I
Speaker 1: would put Bowser over Rivers in the second round. But
Speaker 1: you agree with Willis. Willis's top of that though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Like I'm tired of the Willis slander. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate this. I'll tell you guy, you're sleeping on here,
Speaker 1: smoot from Illinois. You hate him, I know it. Don't
Speaker 1: just go ahead. You can get him in the fourth
Speaker 1: See he hates him. That's I mean, that's where do
Speaker 1: you have? Yeah, that sounds about okay, okay, but again,
Speaker 1: and for the millionth time that they're picking ninety second overall,
Speaker 1: like that's smooth and sleeping on smooth essentially a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick. Anyway, um, real quickly, we don't like I
Speaker 1: don't y'all don't need to fight over this one, because
Speaker 1: that's been fighting today. That's been the theme of the day.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling this guy to my right is
Speaker 1: really tired right now. Bartow's stud Nikki what he was?
Speaker 1: This a real name? Yes, And the reason why I'm
Speaker 1: even reading his question is because it's coming from crack
Speaker 1: off Poland, so shouts out, thank you very much for that.
Speaker 1: He wants a grade on Florida State receiver Travis Rudolph.
Speaker 1: The question of the day, and what y'all think about him?
Speaker 1: Have you watched the player? I've watched the player. How
Speaker 1: about you, Dane? I got into fifth round. I have
Speaker 1: I think a fifth six on him. There's just nothing
Speaker 1: there that's and he's a I think he's a very
Speaker 1: advanced route runner. I did most of his damage from
Speaker 1: the slot. But he's not a great speed guy. I
Speaker 1: ran a four to six at the combine. Size doesn't
Speaker 1: jump out at you. Too many drops, So I mean
Speaker 1: we're talking about a receiver is not big, not fast,
Speaker 1: and has more drops than you want. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: a natural ketchup. Take good memory four hundred fifty players
Speaker 1: are good, but he's an I think he's an advanced
Speaker 1: route runner, right. You see the footwork, especially on the
Speaker 1: slants in cutting routes. So I think he'd help you
Speaker 1: out in the slot. But he's not a game breaker.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna help you on special teams. So that
Speaker 1: I want, I need a return I want. Dane is
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and I look back in my notes, he
Speaker 1: kind of he jumps to catch the ball, which means
Speaker 1: he really doesn't trust his hands. He doesn't run away
Speaker 1: from people either too. That's another thing that Dane was
Speaker 1: talking about, the separation, the quickness, But there are some
Speaker 1: positive things I do think. I do think he has
Speaker 1: an understanding of how to the run round. I think
Speaker 1: there's quickness and routes. I just don't think there's the
Speaker 1: separation all the time. I think getting into it, he
Speaker 1: could be quick. But yeah, I had him amongst the
Speaker 1: group of like I had those like him, Reynolds, the
Speaker 1: Texas A and m Kid had them kind of in
Speaker 1: that inn that fifth round mix is where I had
Speaker 1: Rudolph fair enough got through that without an argument, So
Speaker 1: that's yeah, we agreed on him to go. That's impressive.
Speaker 1: Though he remembered a guy that I mean, I I knew,
Speaker 1: I knew where I had the guy. I just didn't
Speaker 1: remember why I had him. And that's it's part of
Speaker 1: being fifty three years old. That's classic Brugler. That is there. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh sorry, are we Yeah, let's take let's take one more,
Speaker 1: one more quick one. I just and this is an
Speaker 1: interesting one to me. It makes me think about the
Speaker 1: Panthers last year. Remember they drafted three cornerbacks after they
Speaker 1: let go a Josh Norman. Right, how Chase wants to
Speaker 1: know how many cornerbacks could you realistically see them drafting.
Speaker 1: Chase thinks that they could draft as many as three.
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I know, like you know you
Speaker 1: see it. I mean, they doubled up on running back
Speaker 1: last year, but it was first and sixth round, Like
Speaker 1: when have you ever Let's let's throw something out there.
Speaker 1: We got the thirty visits. Yeah, would you be surprised
Speaker 1: over and under ten visits for cornerbacks? Third of the visit,
Speaker 1: the third of the visits being cornerbacks strictly corners, not
Speaker 1: strictly you're going over over it. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: very I'd say it's right around there, pressing issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't be surprised if it's over I
Speaker 1: guess ten, you know, yeah, because you figure, Okay, these
Speaker 1: thirty visits, a third corner, maybe a third pass rush,
Speaker 1: and then the other third safety safety. Yeah, maybe a
Speaker 1: few offensive guys that they like. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably right around there. Yeah, I can see. I
Speaker 1: think it's more than ten. I like what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think it's over ten. Yeah, I mean that that's
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna have to do something. But but that's
Speaker 1: why well, and that makes that's why it seems like
Speaker 1: a lot. That's why I pick chase his question because
Speaker 1: it you haven't seen it very much. You have not
Speaker 1: seen You definitely haven't seen him do it with premium picks.
Speaker 1: Oh In in the early two thousands, we drafted three corners.
Speaker 1: How did that work out well? Edwards, Mari Edwards was
Speaker 1: one of them. It didn't work out great well. Ross
Speaker 1: Ross had six interceptions as rookie year. Ohio State was
Speaker 1: always in trouble. I mean, Scandrick's coming up on a
Speaker 1: decade in the league and his contract is I mean,
Speaker 1: you're getting to a point where you can part ways
Speaker 1: with him if you want to, and you just signed
Speaker 1: Carroll to a deal that isn't binding by any means.
Speaker 1: What's what's more likely in my draft? Three quarters? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know it, you can play a game with the guy.
Speaker 1: You know, You're fine for twenty seventeen. But like, this
Speaker 1: is a position that needs some thought. Well, I think
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's development as a rookie makes them not have
Speaker 1: to draft three corners, you know two? Yeah, I think too.
Speaker 1: What's more likely they draft two corners or one tight
Speaker 1: end in this draft? What's more likely two corners? I think?
Speaker 1: I would say one tight end is still more likely.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get Hannah and swam back. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna have swam right, But I think I
Speaker 1: think Hannah and then you've got the you know, Rico
Speaker 1: gather Rico gathers. Ah, yes, all pro Rico gathers. That's great.
Speaker 1: That's why I want to make a tackle. Dane kind
Speaker 1: of laughs it. Let's put that. Let's put those eggs
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Speaker 1: me more, David. All right, let's do it, guys. Let's
Speaker 1: get right into it. Because we went along like we
Speaker 1: usually do. It's okay, tell me more about Michigan State
Speaker 1: tight end Josiah Price Combine snub. I know. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is the type of player who the only separation he
Speaker 1: gets is what the defense gives him. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: a great athlete and he's not an overpowering blocker, but
Speaker 1: he's kind of solid in both areas. I think he's
Speaker 1: a PFA, you know, a guy that maybe you pick
Speaker 1: up as a free agent and he tries to win
Speaker 1: a job in camp bite. I think the overwhelming thought
Speaker 1: on him is how smart he is. He spends more
Speaker 1: time in the film room than any other player on
Speaker 1: that Michigan State roster. Can he block not very well?
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's adequate, yea with potential to
Speaker 1: get better. But just like I mean, he's he's not
Speaker 1: going to vow you. He's not going to If this
Speaker 1: guy could block, you would be describing Jason Garrett's wet dreams. Yea,
Speaker 1: why I said that? So we have to dump that
Speaker 1: for what you just said. Oh okay, it's fine, but
Speaker 1: we are a podcast right now. Fine I agree with
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry about that. Ken'd mean that to happen.
Speaker 1: I will tell you this though about the guy, I
Speaker 1: think that I think Dane has him absolutely right. He
Speaker 1: is a he's what I call a half man blocker,
Speaker 1: though he's not really interested in taking his face and
Speaker 1: putting it in the middle of the guy. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shoulder half man. He kind of
Speaker 1: tries to kind of get in position wall turn that thing.
Speaker 1: For a guy that's, you know, sixty three two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds, you figured he would get a little
Speaker 1: bit more snap to him. But they do move him around.
Speaker 1: He'll play a little in line for you, but there's
Speaker 1: nothing really redeeming other facts. I saw him catch a
Speaker 1: ball in the flat that was a decent adjusting catch,
Speaker 1: But a lot of his stuff is move in line
Speaker 1: block but not great at it. He just sounds like
Speaker 1: a guy that'll wind up here. Like maybe not as
Speaker 1: a draft he'll play twelve years for the Los Angeles Chargers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably that's what they do. They'll take some guy like
Speaker 1: this and he'll play twelve years. Tell me more about
Speaker 1: Oregon State corner Truston de Cou, who is a Louisiana native,
Speaker 1: the Coup. I love that name. I know you just
Speaker 1: watched him when Yeah, Brian, you know what I thought
Speaker 1: the initially I've seen him twice now, I thought the tape.
Speaker 1: I thought the tape when I first watched him, I
Speaker 1: didn't see the tightness in him. You know, he's a
Speaker 1: tall guys, he's almost six two, and I thought that
Speaker 1: he moved better. And then I watched some later tape
Speaker 1: at him, and he really didn't. He's got some stiffness
Speaker 1: in the way he plays, and but he's got length,
Speaker 1: he's got reached. You could see him on the line
Speaker 1: be able to kind of hold a guy. But when
Speaker 1: it turns, when it turns into turn, run go, there's
Speaker 1: some issues there there. There's I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: very quick player, and when you usually have tall corners,
Speaker 1: they're pretty leggy. There's some corners in this draft though,
Speaker 1: the Colorado kids, they're not as leggy. They're tall guys,
Speaker 1: but you could see them turn and go. He'll be
Speaker 1: a guy that's sent a mix for a lot of
Speaker 1: the teams because of his of that length. But I
Speaker 1: I just I initially liked him a lot, and then
Speaker 1: I kind of came off him like, Okay, some later
Speaker 1: games I watched, is this really what he is? Trying
Speaker 1: to trust the tape, but of seeing a little bit
Speaker 1: of an up and down player, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would like him better than some of the other
Speaker 1: guys that I've seen. I mean, I just think of
Speaker 1: guys like and maybe even a little shorter guy, uh
Speaker 1: you know with with elder Myrick from Minnesota, uh Tankerusly.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are guys i've that are shorter but
Speaker 1: quicker guys. I just think I would go another direction
Speaker 1: other than than the coup. Yeah. I agree. This is
Speaker 1: a player who's overcome a lot. He's been at four
Speaker 1: different programs the last five years. Uh So, adversity wise,
Speaker 1: he's come. He's really advanced himself as a person. But
Speaker 1: I think you you hit it right. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a tall long corner who is going to present matchup problems. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know he can. He'll be looked at by the
Speaker 1: Green Bays, the Seattle's, the teams that really uh factor
Speaker 1: in length, in height at the cornerback position. And I
Speaker 1: think for this team he'll be a guy that they
Speaker 1: look at on day three. But I think you're right
Speaker 1: about him being a little stiff, being a little leggie,
Speaker 1: just struggling his transition. So fifth, sixth round, I think,
Speaker 1: is where you look at him. I think at that
Speaker 1: point he's he's worth it. But if he goes any earlier,
Speaker 1: I agree, there's better players i'd rather have. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had him in the fifth round. As I look at
Speaker 1: my board here, I got a Dane Burglar special. I
Speaker 1: think it just it just feels like one because it's
Speaker 1: silly sounding, silly. Tell me more about Kansas safety Fish Smithson.
Speaker 1: Nobody loves the name, nickname, or name more than you Smithson.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately this is like a Taco Charleton where it
Speaker 1: really his name. It's not really his name. I think
Speaker 1: ever is Anthony. That's his name, a fisherman fish. His
Speaker 1: grandma gave him that nickname when he was little, and
Speaker 1: so it kind of just stuck his sticks. Freaking course
Speaker 1: Dane knows how he got the nickname. Uh. But that's
Speaker 1: gonna be in the Beast, by the way, will be
Speaker 1: in the Beast. Absolutely, it's important because people want to
Speaker 1: know uh Fish. He's interesting because he started as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Uh. Started at Navy, then he bounced around
Speaker 1: a little bit, ended up at Kansas, a little bit
Speaker 1: under sized, not the fastest, but you like how he
Speaker 1: plays in coverage. He'll attack the ball in the air.
Speaker 1: He's instinctive. Uh. He's the type of player that in
Speaker 1: the in the later rounds. That's the guy I want
Speaker 1: to take a chance on. Yeah. The thing that the
Speaker 1: thing that I watched. I remember watching the Texas game
Speaker 1: and it was like the first play of the game,
Speaker 1: he gives up a seventy yard touchdown pass and I'm thinking, oh, please,
Speaker 1: don't let this thing go downhill from there. But Dane's
Speaker 1: got him right. He's a four or five five guy.
Speaker 1: He's an over two hundred pounds, so he's faster than
Speaker 1: Teas Taper and yeah, and you see him, Well that's
Speaker 1: not a gombar, but he's but he's a but he
Speaker 1: could be a downhill player. He plays around the line,
Speaker 1: He's always it's like he's trying to make up for
Speaker 1: the lack of talent that they have in the secondary
Speaker 1: at Kansas. Sure, he's always trying to be He's always
Speaker 1: trying to help somebody else. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: see a guy with like Dane says, I don't see
Speaker 1: great quickness, I don't see great speed. I see a
Speaker 1: guy though this willing tackle. I say, he did miss
Speaker 1: that tackle. They put him in the slot and ask
Speaker 1: him to cover, and I think that kind of that's
Speaker 1: a bad thing for him to have to do. If
Speaker 1: you he's one of those guys, you're better off having
Speaker 1: him blitz where he doesn't have to play coverage or
Speaker 1: play way down where he can kind of be in
Speaker 1: that area where he doesn't have to be in a
Speaker 1: lot of space, because the deeper you play him, the
Speaker 1: harder to his for him to make play. Something that
Speaker 1: we talked about with teas being around so many future
Speaker 1: NFL guys and how that helped him. It's opposite for him.
Speaker 1: He's around a lot of nut NFL guys in that
Speaker 1: Kansas defense, and he had a lot was put on
Speaker 1: his plate, and so I think he deserves credit for that.
Speaker 1: He led the team in tackles last two years, led
Speaker 1: team in interception, So I think there's something there later rounds.
Speaker 1: He's a guy you take a chance on six seven. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you're looking for the trade, and the trade, like Dane
Speaker 1: was talking about, is the fact that you do see him.
Speaker 1: You know he's he's one of these guys that will
Speaker 1: tackle a willing tackle. I just worry about the coverage
Speaker 1: stuff that it's just the trade of being physical. That's
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. I'm ready for both of you
Speaker 1: to roll your eyes at me, and I don't care.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me more about Minnesota quarterback
Speaker 1: Mitch Leidner. Ye out there, it was just say quarterback
Speaker 1: or tight end. Hey, this team could use the tight end.
Speaker 1: So it was funny because he was Lightner was actually
Speaker 1: looked at as a tight end out of high school
Speaker 1: and then he threw the ball a little bit. In
Speaker 1: Minnesota is like, ah, we'll take a chance on you.
Speaker 1: The only the only school that did gave him an offer.
Speaker 1: I get it physically, I mean he's big, he's got
Speaker 1: a big arm, he's a good athlete. But once the
Speaker 1: ball leaves his hand, it's anyone's guess where it ends up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I had a I like the fact
Speaker 1: that he had some mobility in the pocket. He's you
Speaker 1: know when yeah, like he's like when you watch him,
Speaker 1: like as a ball handler, you can kind of see
Speaker 1: and some of his best passes he throws, and Dane's right,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of great ones, but the best
Speaker 1: passes he throws are off play action passes. I mean
Speaker 1: off the playoff ball fake, you know. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not a he seems like he's better when he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to think about setting up right, you know, when
Speaker 1: he when he has to get back plant and let
Speaker 1: it fly. And I didn't feel like the big arm.
Speaker 1: I saw a better touch than I then I saw
Speaker 1: a big arm because I saw the arc, you know.
Speaker 1: But he puts some balls in some positions where guys
Speaker 1: should have made plays and didn't. You know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a Minnesota the talent on the outside, but he threw
Speaker 1: a couple of swing passes he made the guy have
Speaker 1: to work a little bit. He's just an up and
Speaker 1: down guy. But the athletic ability the ball handler and
Speaker 1: the ability to maybe throw off play action might somebody
Speaker 1: might figure out, Hey, maybe this guy can do all that.
Speaker 1: But I I you just said, it's not don't think
Speaker 1: about this quarterback here. Know what you just said. All
Speaker 1: the stuff you just said is stuff that Dak is
Speaker 1: really good at and stuff we credited Dak for during
Speaker 1: the draft process. I'm not saying that that Dack's a
Speaker 1: real quarterback. I don't think this. I don't think Niche
Speaker 1: is a real quarter I just don't think this player
Speaker 1: has any feel for the passing game. I think all
Speaker 1: the productions I don't disagree. I mean, because this would
Speaker 1: saying when he when he fakes, all he has to
Speaker 1: do is look up and throw it is it's not
Speaker 1: reading it, it's it's yeah, I'm looking. I would love
Speaker 1: for this team to draft a quarterback on Day three.
Speaker 1: But the more I look at it, the more I
Speaker 1: just think this is not a great class to do that.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. It's Peterman, a day three guy.
Speaker 1: Probably not. It probably goes sooner. Davis Webb probably goes
Speaker 1: top fifty. Okay, A colleague, a colleague of our, colleague
Speaker 1: of Oars, A colleague Oars, Pete Prisco Pizza. Dear friend
Speaker 1: of mine, you have some great battles with Pete about
Speaker 1: running backs and stuff like that. Pete's talking to folks
Speaker 1: general Mansion. Maybe this is lying time. I said, this
Speaker 1: is lying time. Yeah, they're talking about Webb being some
Speaker 1: general managers or I guess most general or football operations
Speaker 1: guys saying that Webb could be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Would that be? That would be shocking? Why? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. Well, But then Christian Ponder, right, I mean
Speaker 1: look at some point, ej Manuel, I mean, yeah, with
Speaker 1: with David's Webb, He's ball a good deep Paul, He's
Speaker 1: an excellent deep ball. The arms there, Yeah, physically speaking,
Speaker 1: the traits are there. But and he's a smart guy.
Speaker 1: The guy is known as a gym rat him. His
Speaker 1: dad's a long time high school football coach here in
Speaker 1: North Texas. But he's never had to read a defense
Speaker 1: in his life. Yeah, at Texas Tech, at Cal it's
Speaker 1: all schemed for him. He's going to his initial read
Speaker 1: most of the time. But he can spray the ball
Speaker 1: all over the field. And so that's the one thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were watching some we were watching the
Speaker 1: Coup and the ki Kids caw and it's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: he's sewing the ball down the field and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this got a shot to make it. Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes is getting a lot of love as a
Speaker 1: first round player. Is there really that much of a
Speaker 1: difference between Pat Mahomes and Davis Webb in terms of Oh,
Speaker 1: I love Pat Mahomes because I see I see I
Speaker 1: see the production Davis Webb. I see a lot of
Speaker 1: web Brookman, most of Jared Goss records this past year.
Speaker 1: I want to brag about that they're still still production. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just I'm oh, I know. I'm just
Speaker 1: kidding you. Davis Webb couldn't hit anything at Senior Bowl practices,
Speaker 1: That's all I know. That's but he won the MVP
Speaker 1: though didn't know the game. Man, Yeah, that's he wasn't
Speaker 1: that great in practice, but during the games, so he's
Speaker 1: a gamer like that? Is that what we're saying. No,
Speaker 1: I just so you're okay, I'm playing Devil's advocate here
Speaker 1: because he's not a first round pick. But I'm just
Speaker 1: but you don't think Mahomes is a first round pick? No,
Speaker 1: I think I like Mahomes in a second and like
Speaker 1: David's Webb and the fourth. But I'm just saying, playing
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. You know, people love pet mahomes. People that
Speaker 1: love pet mahomes, shouldn't they at least like Davis Webb,
Speaker 1: Kaiser or Davis Webb. Oh it's not close, Davis Webb. No,
Speaker 1: it's Kaiser. Say no, that's not close. I think that
Speaker 1: this only further proves my point with if Davis Webb
Speaker 1: is being talked about, even as a top fifty guy,
Speaker 1: there will not be a quarterback worth spending a draft
Speaker 1: pick on after the third round. Boy, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a guy in the seventh Alec Torgerson that I watched
Speaker 1: that guy a little bit. Wat Yeah, I watched it
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know what happened. I watched the
Speaker 1: wrong side of the ball. I watched him playing He's uh,
Speaker 1: he's from Pen Pen And I was watching Yale and
Speaker 1: I thought, wait a minute, I'm watching Yale's quarterback. And
Speaker 1: Yale's quarterback was kind of pitching her up pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, wait, An, I'm watching the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: Were you disappointed when he put on Pen's offense. I
Speaker 1: was a little disappointed, I had to say, I was
Speaker 1: a little disappointed. Goodness gracious, Yeah, talking about Ivy League
Speaker 1: quarterbacks now, how about that? All right? Guys, thank you
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