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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Elliott and now

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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us well.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Draft Show, twenty eight days until

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Speaker 1: the official first day of the NFL Draft. Happy to

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Speaker 1: says Dane Brugler, CBS Sports. David Hellman, Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: K Garrison, Executive Producing, We welcome to you again to

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Speaker 1: the show that helps you. We're going to investigate and

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Speaker 1: educate all things NFL Draft. If you join us for

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Speaker 1: draft news. We've got a couple of workouts. I want

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Speaker 1: out today, Dane's. I also want to get into some

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Speaker 1: draft room discussions. This time of year, it's gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody getting ready to start these draft meetings. We start

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Speaker 1: to turn the calendar to April, it starts to get serious.

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Speaker 1: I told you there's twenty eight days, so we're getting close.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna get into a little some draft room

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Speaker 1: discussions that need to be had. We're gonna also get

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Speaker 1: the Draft show. That's what you should always be doing.

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Speaker 1: Following at the Draft show, Kink Garrison runs the account,

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Speaker 1: gives you a lot of information. We also do it

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Speaker 1: on periscope. There's another way to watch us, and we

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Speaker 1: and then we have another edition of Tell Me More.

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Speaker 1: I really do like tell Me More because it's not

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Speaker 1: just dealing with the top guys in the draft. It's

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Speaker 1: dealing with guys. It might be priority free agents, might

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Speaker 1: be guys six seventh round picks. Yeah, the goal is

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Speaker 1: to not talk about top guys. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a really I think that helps a lot of fans.

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Speaker 1: If we can find ways to again educate fans on

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Speaker 1: the players in this draft, just not the top players,

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Speaker 1: but but all players in this draft, I think we

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Speaker 1: do a great thing. Dane's gonna tell us a bit

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Speaker 1: just got that done, so we'll get into that a

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Speaker 1: little bit and visit as well. So everybody doing well.

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Speaker 1: Ready to go, Dane. We're under a month now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how about that? That's hard to believe that. I mean

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Speaker 1: this you mentioned last week, Dave. How just it seems

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Speaker 1: this process is going a lot quicker this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Combine to uh, you know here we are now almost

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Speaker 1: finished with Pro days, right, We're getting to get to April.

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Speaker 1: You're right, you're done with the Pro day it's the

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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about, but hard to believe. We're under

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Speaker 1: You mentioned pro days Today we had Texas A and

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here by other pro days Texas

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Speaker 1: have a David sets up, we have the major pro Days.

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about Tabor from Florida. A lot

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Speaker 1: and you know he can't do any worse than that. Well,

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Speaker 1: That's bad for a linebacker. Let me ask you this though,

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Speaker 1: If you're put put you know, you're Will McClay or

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Speaker 1: Southeast scout, You're you're Mitchella point for the Cowboys. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna jump up on that table for Tabor. Very very

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Speaker 1: he didn't have to protect against his lack of speed downfield. Well,

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Speaker 1: you sound torn about this. I am. This is it's

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Speaker 1: it is, but this Taber is a player who isn't

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Speaker 1: cornerback spot where Dallas maybe felt pretty comfortable at twenty eight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to put these two guys in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening right now, Yeah, yours are happening right

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Speaker 1: you're not helping your team. Yeah, you don't. You don't

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Speaker 1: a greade, put him on the board. That sounds so frustrating.

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Speaker 1: figured out or has anybody for that matter figured out

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Speaker 1: more of a linebacker or a right end. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people comparing him to guys like Anthony Barr and

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Speaker 1: I don't think I have him in that same category.

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Speaker 1: But I think that the Cowboys and talking to some folks,

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Speaker 1: going to play him. They see him as a right

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that can win on the edge. You know,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have he doesn't have the ability like of Abosa.

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Speaker 1: relentless type of player. He fits into what they want

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Speaker 1: He's gonna play with his hands, he's gonna Chase. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna tackle. He's gonna be a really steady players. I

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Speaker 1: would say three downs because what you're gonna do is

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Speaker 1: personally would rather have Reddick is who I would rather have.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Reddick will be there when they pick

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Speaker 1: would go with Reddick myself. But he's a first round pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this. If his last name was Jones,

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Speaker 1: I look at you, you look at the But I

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Speaker 1: twenty guys that I'm a broken record, but twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: it's not a first round pick anyway. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: But to me, I would personally I have Reddick in

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Speaker 1: the first round. I don't have what in the first round,

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Speaker 1: but I could understand why the Cowboys will do what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do if they if they are looking at

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Speaker 1: if you don't feel comfortable with Tack McKinley's shoulder, and

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Speaker 1: you don't think that Reddick is going to be there

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight, this is not a bad Damn or Harris.

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Speaker 1: that that maybe Harris would be a better rusher at

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. Then what I think? What is a better

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Speaker 1: and what play two different positions? Right for you? Or no? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: I would keep him both. I would keep I would

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Speaker 1: I would I think they keeping Reddick as an edge

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Speaker 1: rush Yeah, I'm keeping at Reddick as an edge rusher. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. Well, I mean Reddick, I think he's two

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Speaker 1: you don't want to completely take him away as a

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Speaker 1: him attacking. I just don't think he's a blur. When

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Speaker 1: he attacks, he plays, he plays. In my opinion, this

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Speaker 1: play bigger than his size because his ability to avoid,

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Speaker 1: in his ability to run and to chase when you can.

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Speaker 1: It's like watching our kid from from Ohio play linebacker Brown,

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Speaker 1: seen Blair Brown play. He's you can beat blockers to

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Speaker 1: the point and make tackles before they block in that

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Speaker 1: in that a good player. Yeah, I just I mean

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't. To me, I don't see a

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Speaker 1: Uh more of a linebacker. Again, I don't he is

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher. He can do that, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want to completely take him out of that round a

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Speaker 1: rotational system. Yeah, you don't think he could do Havoc

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Speaker 1: recabit for the Seahawks. I that's okay, that's well, that's

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Speaker 1: a great example. But they have Atlanta. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: mean that that kind of scheme where they played with

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Speaker 1: a rotational group of guys. But I played a rotation here.

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Speaker 1: When we're talking about a first round player, I want

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Speaker 1: a three down player. Well yeah, okay, a pass rusher

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Speaker 1: or a guy like is up on this table. So no,

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher, a legitimate not that Wat's not a

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Speaker 1: legitimate pass rusher. What's a good all around player? What

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Speaker 1: do I want? Somebody that's going to create problems scheme wise?

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Speaker 1: Can what create enough problems scheme wise for a defense?

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Speaker 1: Are you worried about? What? Are you you kind of

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Speaker 1: looking at your when you're an offensive coordinator? You want

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Speaker 1: and we gotta get. We gotta make sure we take

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Speaker 1: what out of this game. I don't see. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they'd be saying that about Reddick as a strictly

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Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. Now, I think Reddeck's a better

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Speaker 1: player than what But I but I don't think Reddick's

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Speaker 1: uh three down pass rusher either. I mean I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't want them with his hand on the ground.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, two hundred and thirty five pounds, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have ideal length, doesn't have the point of attack

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Speaker 1: power that you want ideally for me for an edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: So I want him as a linebacker, and then I

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Speaker 1: want him as an occasional pass rusher too, so and

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Speaker 1: that's in that type of role he's a better player

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Speaker 1: who's better at So you're saying that Watt is better

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Speaker 1: as better as a complete player if you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: rush Reddick all the time. Yeah, if we're talking about

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Speaker 1: strictly hand on the ground, defensive end, three down player,

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Speaker 1: I would rather have Wat than Reddick in that type

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Speaker 1: of role. But as an overall all around player, give

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Speaker 1: me a Reddick. I think you can use them in

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Speaker 1: different ways as a linebacker in different it sounds like

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Speaker 1: you're like Reddick in a three four though, that's what

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Speaker 1: it sounds like. You're saying. Well, I think player he

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Speaker 1: could play anywhere in a three four four three. I

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Speaker 1: can play any of those linebacker positions. He could play

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Speaker 1: middle linebacker, he could play weeks strong. They move him around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you see it? That sounds fascinating.

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Speaker 1: And then like for the million times, but he's not.

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Speaker 1: I don't His idea about him is not incorrect. But

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Speaker 1: you don't have guys defensive ends playing sixty snaps down

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00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: after down after down, you just don't do it. Not

632
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: in this scheme. You don't. Let's become highly specialized. I

633
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with what I really don't. I

634
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: just I would like I would like a little bit

635
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: more steam off that edge you have Harris ahead of

636
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: what Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, purely as a pass

637
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: for McKinley over them too, great debate. Yeah, I love

638
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: a good segue, Brian, which somebody by the name of

639
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: Tack McKinley to Dallas, just to give you an idea

640
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: of what we're dealing with here. I think, by the way,

641
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: have a real name. Yeah no, I don't. I don't

642
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: be that guy or galp if you're getting you know,

643
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: we we had real names. It's Okay, it's fine, it's okay,

644
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: real names. I like to deal with real people. It's

645
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: a good question from anonymous. Yeah, defensive ends who aren't

646
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: in play because they're not a fit, whether they're like

647
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a three four or whatever. And the reason why I

648
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: think this is important is because every year fans just

649
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: kind of look at the list and they're like, well,

650
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: every one of those Oregan guys who came out the

651
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: last few years, get that guy. He needs a defense,

652
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: and like they don't know that. It doesn't even make

653
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: a lick of sense. So give me some give me

654
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: something wise Arkansas. Yeah, how about Jones from North Carolina.

655
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: I think he could potentially fit as a I think

656
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: he's a better five technique, but I think it potentially

657
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: fit as a inside as a three Wormly see. I

658
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: like Wormly as an end, straight end, Yeah, three four

659
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: or four three. I think he do both. I mean,

660
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he's He's not that guy that's gonna

661
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: scream off the edge and give you a pass, rush,

662
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: help down and down out. But I think he's a

663
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: very solid end regardless of scheme. It's Tarlton the same way.

664
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: I think he has more. We're talking about Taco Charlton.

665
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: We're talking about similar to one of his teammates, Triuble Peppers.

666
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Not who he is, but what he's going to be

667
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: because he's it's all about the traits. It's all about

668
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: who he can be next year and two years from

669
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: now and the player he's going to grow into. Taco Charlton. You,

670
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you only have really one season of starting experience.

671
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean he's still very very young. You expect him

672
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: to get better as a pass rusher. What about Mileek McDowell.

673
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: Do you think he see that's another one. I think

674
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: he's scheme specific. Do you think he Yeah, I would

675
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: think I have him as an end. I have him

676
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: in Charlton is ends. I don't disagree with what you're

677
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: saying right there. I just thought that Wise Jones from

678
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: North Carolina warmly. I thought those were guys more of

679
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: those head up, base five technique defensive ends. That's why

680
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: I had a little in my team's being a four

681
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: three team. Yeah, so I kind of put those guys

682
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: in a little category at the bottom. Awesome off to

683
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: the side. Yeah, it's like out Passengo Villanova. See that's

684
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I like that, And that's a guy that we hear

685
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot about We've talked a lot about him. I

686
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: don't really see it for this team looking at him.

687
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all tell me see, I don't. I

688
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: don't require right face. No, I see like I see

689
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: those Dennis block in him. Sometimes see the accountants blocking him. Yeah,

690
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, I see the guy. It's gonna be the

691
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: senator from Massachusetts blocking him. Yeah, you know, kind of like

692
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: like Bill Bradley, the old basketball guy, you know with

693
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: the d school. Yeah, he looks really stiff to me,

694
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: and like not he's so tall. Yeah, he doesn't know,

695
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't know better. I mean, he really does. But

696
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: the problem is you draft a guy. You're gonna have

697
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: to take a guy like that high then all of

698
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, and then everybody's gonna be mad when he's

699
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: inactive every week, everybody's going, oh passing, awo, why is he?

700
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Why is he not on? I don't like, and I

701
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: get your point, but like David Irving's super tall, but

702
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: he's explosive. Yeah, he's got a feel for how to play.

703
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: I don't. This guy has no feel for how to play.

704
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get better, obviously, but I think you'd probably

705
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: have to draft him at sixty if you wanted him, boy,

706
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: that's really I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I think he

707
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: goes somewhere in the third. I mean I think there's

708
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: a possibility to last until the late third. But if yeah,

709
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: if you really want him, then yes, I would take

710
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: roach Shell from Notre Dame. I would take Willis from

711
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: Kansas State. You like, I like Rochelle a lot. Jordan

712
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Willis is gonna go to like ten Pro Bowls. I'm

713
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: just telling y'all, right now, that's Jordan Willis is like

714
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: Tease Tabor from me. I struggle with him because there's

715
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: oh but you you saw the you saw the three

716
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: Cone and all that. I mean, he's just a film

717
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: he could beIN. He's a good player, yeah, on film.

718
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: I just there's some questions there that I not quite

719
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: ready to get over. The him with the Villanova kid.

720
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh I'll take oh Willis. I like Willis a lot.

721
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: I just when you compare him with Rivers from ys

722
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: u Uh, Bowser from Kasten Bowser, that's another one we haven't.

723
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: That's a guy we need to and I don't want

724
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: to derail are on the twenty too much. But that's

725
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: a guy that we need to talk about guys Bowser, Yeah,

726
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: we haven't very much. He's there's some early film you

727
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: could watch him where he's not very good. You watch

728
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: the Louisville game. You'd probably take him the first round.

729
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: Well for a player, how frustrating is it to watch

730
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: him and he's lined up on the edge, snap and

731
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: he's dropping back? Yeah? Oh, kind of like what you're

732
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: gonna do with Reddick? Huh? Well no, because he's not

733
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna be an edge rusher. He's gonna be a stand

734
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: up linebacker. I mean, but he would, he'd be on

735
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: the edge and then they instead of rushing him. Not

736
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: to mention, Bowser's a lot bigger than Reddick is but

737
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: with frustration level but guy dropping Yeah, because what he

738
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: can do as a pass rusher and yet they wouldn't

739
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: use him that way. I don't know Bowser. I think

740
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: he needs a lot of work. Instinctively, he know he's

741
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: very undeveloped there. But as an athlete potential Skyhi good

742
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: Russian though, So okay, Bowser, Rivers and Willis, how do

743
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: you rank those three? To me? Those are the guys

744
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: in the second round that you kind of struggle with.

745
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: A lot of bunches, Yeah, a lot of them. So

746
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: how do you differentiate between those those three? I would

747
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: probably go because see I have them all about the same. Yeah,

748
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: so do I Willis? Yes, I will Rivers scares me

749
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 1: because I'm watching Moss on the other side, who we've

750
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: talked about making plays and I'm waiting for Rivers, and

751
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he makes one. I'm like going, oh,

752
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to find. I don't know Willis

753
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: Rivers Bowser from me? Say again, Willis Rivers Bowser. I

754
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: would put Bowser over Rivers in the second round. But

755
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: you agree with Willis. Willis's top of that though. Yeah,

756
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: all right, Like I'm tired of the Willis slander. So

757
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate this. I'll tell you guy, you're sleeping on here,

758
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: smoot from Illinois. You hate him, I know it. Don't

759
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: just go ahead. You can get him in the fourth

760
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: See he hates him. That's I mean, that's where do

761
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: you have? Yeah, that sounds about okay, okay, but again,

762
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: and for the millionth time that they're picking ninety second overall,

763
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: like that's smooth and sleeping on smooth essentially a fourth

764
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: round pick. Anyway, um, real quickly, we don't like I

765
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: don't y'all don't need to fight over this one, because

766
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: that's been fighting today. That's been the theme of the day.

767
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: I have a feeling this guy to my right is

768
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: really tired right now. Bartow's stud Nikki what he was?

769
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: This a real name? Yes, And the reason why I'm

770
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: even reading his question is because it's coming from crack

771
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: off Poland, so shouts out, thank you very much for that.

772
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: He wants a grade on Florida State receiver Travis Rudolph.

773
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: The question of the day, and what y'all think about him?

774
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: Have you watched the player? I've watched the player. How

775
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: about you, Dane? I got into fifth round. I have

776
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: I think a fifth six on him. There's just nothing

777
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: there that's and he's a I think he's a very

778
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: advanced route runner. I did most of his damage from

779
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: the slot. But he's not a great speed guy. I

780
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: ran a four to six at the combine. Size doesn't

781
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: jump out at you. Too many drops, So I mean

782
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about a receiver is not big, not fast,

783
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: and has more drops than you want. Yeah, he's not

784
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: a natural ketchup. Take good memory four hundred fifty players

785
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: are good, but he's an I think he's an advanced

786
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: route runner, right. You see the footwork, especially on the

787
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: slants in cutting routes. So I think he'd help you

788
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: out in the slot. But he's not a game breaker.

789
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: He's not gonna help you on special teams. So that

790
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I want, I need a return I want. Dane is

791
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and I look back in my notes, he

792
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of he jumps to catch the ball, which means

793
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: he really doesn't trust his hands. He doesn't run away

794
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: from people either too. That's another thing that Dane was

795
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: talking about, the separation, the quickness, But there are some

796
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: positive things I do think. I do think he has

797
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: an understanding of how to the run round. I think

798
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: there's quickness and routes. I just don't think there's the

799
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: separation all the time. I think getting into it, he

800
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: could be quick. But yeah, I had him amongst the

801
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: group of like I had those like him, Reynolds, the

802
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Texas A and m Kid had them kind of in

803
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: that inn that fifth round mix is where I had

804
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: Rudolph fair enough got through that without an argument, So

805
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: that's yeah, we agreed on him to go. That's impressive.

806
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: Though he remembered a guy that I mean, I I knew,

807
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I knew where I had the guy. I just didn't

808
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: remember why I had him. And that's it's part of

809
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: being fifty three years old. That's classic Brugler. That is there. Okay,

810
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: oh sorry, are we Yeah, let's take let's take one more,

811
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: one more quick one. I just and this is an

812
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: interesting one to me. It makes me think about the

813
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: Panthers last year. Remember they drafted three cornerbacks after they

814
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: let go a Josh Norman. Right, how Chase wants to

815
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: know how many cornerbacks could you realistically see them drafting.

816
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: Chase thinks that they could draft as many as three.

817
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't see that. I know, like you know you

818
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: see it. I mean, they doubled up on running back

819
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: last year, but it was first and sixth round, Like

820
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: when have you ever Let's let's throw something out there.

821
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: We got the thirty visits. Yeah, would you be surprised

822
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: over and under ten visits for cornerbacks? Third of the visit,

823
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: the third of the visits being cornerbacks strictly corners, not

824
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: strictly you're going over over it. I mean it's a

825
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: very I'd say it's right around there, pressing issue. Yeah,

826
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't be surprised if it's over I

827
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: guess ten, you know, yeah, because you figure, Okay, these

828
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: thirty visits, a third corner, maybe a third pass rush,

829
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: and then the other third safety safety. Yeah, maybe a

830
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: few offensive guys that they like. So I think, yeah,

831
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: it's probably right around there. Yeah, I can see. I

832
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: think it's more than ten. I like what you're saying.

833
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I think it's over ten. Yeah, I mean that that's

834
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna have to do something. But but that's

835
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: why well, and that makes that's why it seems like

836
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot. That's why I pick chase his question because

837
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: it you haven't seen it very much. You have not

838
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Speaker 1: seen You definitely haven't seen him do it with premium picks.

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Speaker 1: Oh In in the early two thousands, we drafted three corners.

840
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: How did that work out well? Edwards, Mari Edwards was

841
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: one of them. It didn't work out great well. Ross

842
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: Ross had six interceptions as rookie year. Ohio State was

843
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: always in trouble. I mean, Scandrick's coming up on a

844
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Speaker 1: decade in the league and his contract is I mean,

845
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: you're getting to a point where you can part ways

846
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Speaker 1: with him if you want to, and you just signed

847
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Speaker 1: Carroll to a deal that isn't binding by any means.

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Speaker 1: What's what's more likely in my draft? Three quarters? I mean,

849
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Speaker 1: you know it, you can play a game with the guy.

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00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: You know, You're fine for twenty seventeen. But like, this

851
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: is a position that needs some thought. Well, I think

852
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's development as a rookie makes them not have

853
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: to draft three corners, you know two? Yeah, I think too.

854
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: What's more likely they draft two corners or one tight

855
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: end in this draft? What's more likely two corners? I think?

856
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: I would say one tight end is still more likely.

857
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get Hannah and swam back. I

858
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: think you're gonna have swam right, But I think I

859
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: think Hannah and then you've got the you know, Rico

860
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Speaker 1: gather Rico gathers. Ah, yes, all pro Rico gathers. That's great.

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Speaker 1: That's why I want to make a tackle. Dane kind

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Speaker 1: of laughs it. Let's put that. Let's put those eggs

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Speaker 1: in our basket, all right, Thanks to everybody out there

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Speaker 1: twenty what I say, twenty eight days till the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: with one oh five three the Fan as well with

921
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Speaker 1: our draft buddies Jeff Kavanaugh and then Kevin Turner. So

922
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Speaker 1: three nights or three days of the draft, h have

923
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of things going on, but we're very excited

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00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: about that and the partnership that we have with one

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Speaker 1: oh five three, But the partnership that we have with

926
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Speaker 1: everybody that sits down Jeff and Kat the grind tape,

927
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: like Dane, myself and you do us well, Dave. So

928
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: not on y'all's level, but thanks, but no obviously biased,

929
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: but it's so much better than anything. You're gonna watch it. Yeah,

930
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: I would work or ESPN if you're a Cowboys anybody.

931
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: But if you're a Cowboys fan and you're not, you

932
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Speaker 1: don't have our stuff on in some form or fashion

933
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Speaker 1: during Draft weekend, you're doing it wrong. Yeah, it's just

934
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Speaker 1: a general NFL fan. Yeah, we're gonna cover everybody. We're

935
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna cover every pick and yeah, and again I plan

936
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: on talking about who the Falcons take, who the Buccaneers take. Yeah,

937
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I know. I'm the one that's trying to talk about

938
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: what it means for the Cowboys, and y'all are like, yeah, no,

939
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: but the Jags are on the clock. Come on, yeah,

940
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: full back in a sixth round. Yeah, well that's and

941
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Speaker 1: that's the whole idea, you know, and especially for you

942
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Speaker 1: folks have been with us the whole time, you know,

943
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: and other things like you say, either Dane's guide, the

944
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Speaker 1: stuff we do on the Star magazine, the stuff we

945
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Speaker 1: do here with our podcast with with Dane and what

946
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Speaker 1: they do and trust to tape with him and Kavanaugh

947
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: anything that. You know, you guys take this all in

948
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Speaker 1: and try and learn and so we appreciate that. So anyway, okay,

949
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: with we'll finish up the show with a little tell

950
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Speaker 1: me more, David. All right, let's do it, guys. Let's

951
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: get right into it. Because we went along like we

952
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: usually do. It's okay, tell me more about Michigan State

953
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: tight end Josiah Price Combine snub. I know. Yeah, he

954
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: is the type of player who the only separation he

955
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: gets is what the defense gives him. Yeah, he's not

956
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: a great athlete and he's not an overpowering blocker, but

957
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: he's kind of solid in both areas. I think he's

958
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: a PFA, you know, a guy that maybe you pick

959
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: up as a free agent and he tries to win

960
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: a job in camp bite. I think the overwhelming thought

961
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Speaker 1: on him is how smart he is. He spends more

962
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: time in the film room than any other player on

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Speaker 1: that Michigan State roster. Can he block not very well?

964
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think he's adequate, yea with potential to

965
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: get better. But just like I mean, he's he's not

966
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: going to vow you. He's not going to If this

967
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: guy could block, you would be describing Jason Garrett's wet dreams. Yea,

968
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Speaker 1: why I said that? So we have to dump that

969
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: for what you just said. Oh okay, it's fine, but

970
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: we are a podcast right now. Fine I agree with

971
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, sorry about that. Ken'd mean that to happen.

972
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: I will tell you this though about the guy, I

973
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Speaker 1: think that I think Dane has him absolutely right. He

974
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: is a he's what I call a half man blocker,

975
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Speaker 1: though he's not really interested in taking his face and

976
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Speaker 1: putting it in the middle of the guy. He's a

977
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Speaker 1: little bit of a shoulder half man. He kind of

978
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Speaker 1: tries to kind of get in position wall turn that thing.

979
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Speaker 1: For a guy that's, you know, sixty three two hundred

980
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds, you figured he would get a little

981
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: bit more snap to him. But they do move him around.

982
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: He'll play a little in line for you, but there's

983
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: nothing really redeeming other facts. I saw him catch a

984
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: ball in the flat that was a decent adjusting catch,

985
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: But a lot of his stuff is move in line

986
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Speaker 1: block but not great at it. He just sounds like

987
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Speaker 1: a guy that'll wind up here. Like maybe not as

988
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Speaker 1: a draft he'll play twelve years for the Los Angeles Chargers. Yeah,

989
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: probably that's what they do. They'll take some guy like

990
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Speaker 1: this and he'll play twelve years. Tell me more about

991
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Speaker 1: Oregon State corner Truston de Cou, who is a Louisiana native,

992
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Speaker 1: the Coup. I love that name. I know you just

993
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: watched him when Yeah, Brian, you know what I thought

994
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Speaker 1: the initially I've seen him twice now, I thought the tape.

995
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Speaker 1: I thought the tape when I first watched him, I

996
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Speaker 1: didn't see the tightness in him. You know, he's a

997
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Speaker 1: tall guys, he's almost six two, and I thought that

998
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Speaker 1: he moved better. And then I watched some later tape

999
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Speaker 1: at him, and he really didn't. He's got some stiffness

1000
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Speaker 1: in the way he plays, and but he's got length,

1001
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Speaker 1: he's got reached. You could see him on the line

1002
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Speaker 1: be able to kind of hold a guy. But when

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Speaker 1: it turns, when it turns into turn, run go, there's

1004
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Speaker 1: some issues there there. There's I don't think he's a

1005
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Speaker 1: very quick player, and when you usually have tall corners,

1006
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: they're pretty leggy. There's some corners in this draft though,

1007
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Speaker 1: the Colorado kids, they're not as leggy. They're tall guys,

1008
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Speaker 1: but you could see them turn and go. He'll be

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Speaker 1: a guy that's sent a mix for a lot of

1010
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Speaker 1: the teams because of his of that length. But I

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Speaker 1: I just I initially liked him a lot, and then

1012
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Speaker 1: I kind of came off him like, Okay, some later

1013
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: games I watched, is this really what he is? Trying

1014
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Speaker 1: to trust the tape, but of seeing a little bit

1015
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Speaker 1: of an up and down player, I don't know if

1016
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Speaker 1: I would like him better than some of the other

1017
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Speaker 1: guys that I've seen. I mean, I just think of

1018
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: guys like and maybe even a little shorter guy, uh

1019
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: you know with with elder Myrick from Minnesota, uh Tankerusly.

1020
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, these are guys i've that are shorter but

1021
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: quicker guys. I just think I would go another direction

1022
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: other than than the coup. Yeah. I agree. This is

1023
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: a player who's overcome a lot. He's been at four

1024
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: different programs the last five years. Uh So, adversity wise,

1025
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Speaker 1: he's come. He's really advanced himself as a person. But

1026
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Speaker 1: I think you you hit it right. I mean, he's

1027
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Speaker 1: a tall long corner who is going to present matchup problems. Uh,

1028
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Speaker 1: you know he can. He'll be looked at by the

1029
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Speaker 1: Green Bays, the Seattle's, the teams that really uh factor

1030
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Speaker 1: in length, in height at the cornerback position. And I

1031
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: think for this team he'll be a guy that they

1032
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Speaker 1: look at on day three. But I think you're right

1033
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: about him being a little stiff, being a little leggie,

1034
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: just struggling his transition. So fifth, sixth round, I think,

1035
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Speaker 1: is where you look at him. I think at that

1036
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Speaker 1: point he's he's worth it. But if he goes any earlier,

1037
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Speaker 1: I agree, there's better players i'd rather have. Yeah, I

1038
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Speaker 1: had him in the fifth round. As I look at

1039
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Speaker 1: my board here, I got a Dane Burglar special. I

1040
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: think it just it just feels like one because it's

1041
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: silly sounding, silly. Tell me more about Kansas safety Fish Smithson.

1042
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Speaker 1: Nobody loves the name, nickname, or name more than you Smithson.

1043
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately this is like a Taco Charleton where it

1044
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Speaker 1: really his name. It's not really his name. I think

1045
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Speaker 1: ever is Anthony. That's his name, a fisherman fish. His

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Speaker 1: grandma gave him that nickname when he was little, and

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00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: so it kind of just stuck his sticks. Freaking course

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Speaker 1: Dane knows how he got the nickname. Uh. But that's

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00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: gonna be in the Beast, by the way, will be

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00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: in the Beast. Absolutely, it's important because people want to

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00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: know uh Fish. He's interesting because he started as a

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00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Uh. Started at Navy, then he bounced around

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00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, ended up at Kansas, a little bit

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00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: under sized, not the fastest, but you like how he

1055
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: plays in coverage. He'll attack the ball in the air.

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Speaker 1: He's instinctive. Uh. He's the type of player that in

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00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: the in the later rounds. That's the guy I want

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00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: to take a chance on. Yeah. The thing that the

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00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: thing that I watched. I remember watching the Texas game

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00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: and it was like the first play of the game,

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Speaker 1: he gives up a seventy yard touchdown pass and I'm thinking, oh, please,

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00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: don't let this thing go downhill from there. But Dane's

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00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: got him right. He's a four or five five guy.

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00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: He's an over two hundred pounds, so he's faster than

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00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: Teas Taper and yeah, and you see him, Well that's

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00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: not a gombar, but he's but he's a but he

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00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: could be a downhill player. He plays around the line,

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00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: He's always it's like he's trying to make up for

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Speaker 1: the lack of talent that they have in the secondary

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Speaker 1: at Kansas. Sure, he's always trying to be He's always

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00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: trying to help somebody else. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: see a guy with like Dane says, I don't see

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00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: great quickness, I don't see great speed. I see a

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00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: guy though this willing tackle. I say, he did miss

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00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: that tackle. They put him in the slot and ask

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00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: him to cover, and I think that kind of that's

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00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: a bad thing for him to have to do. If

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00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: you he's one of those guys, you're better off having

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00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: him blitz where he doesn't have to play coverage or

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00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: play way down where he can kind of be in

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: that area where he doesn't have to be in a

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00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: lot of space, because the deeper you play him, the

1083
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: harder to his for him to make play. Something that

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: we talked about with teas being around so many future

1085
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: NFL guys and how that helped him. It's opposite for him.

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00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: He's around a lot of nut NFL guys in that

1087
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: Kansas defense, and he had a lot was put on

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00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: his plate, and so I think he deserves credit for that.

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00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: He led the team in tackles last two years, led

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00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: team in interception, So I think there's something there later rounds.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy you take a chance on six seven. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1092
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: you're looking for the trade, and the trade, like Dane

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: was talking about, is the fact that you do see him.

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Speaker 1: You know he's he's one of these guys that will

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Speaker 1: tackle a willing tackle. I just worry about the coverage

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00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: stuff that it's just the trade of being physical. That's

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Speaker 1: what you're looking at. I'm ready for both of you

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Speaker 1: to roll your eyes at me, and I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I want you to tell me more about Minnesota quarterback

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00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: Mitch Leidner. Ye out there, it was just say quarterback

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00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: or tight end. Hey, this team could use the tight end.

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00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: So it was funny because he was Lightner was actually

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00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: looked at as a tight end out of high school

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00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: and then he threw the ball a little bit. In

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00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota is like, ah, we'll take a chance on you.

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00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: The only the only school that did gave him an offer.

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Speaker 1: I get it physically, I mean he's big, he's got

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Speaker 1: a big arm, he's a good athlete. But once the

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00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: ball leaves his hand, it's anyone's guess where it ends up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I had a I like the fact

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: that he had some mobility in the pocket. He's you

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Speaker 1: know when yeah, like he's like when you watch him,

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00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: like as a ball handler, you can kind of see

1114
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: and some of his best passes he throws, and Dane's right,

1115
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of great ones, but the best

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00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: passes he throws are off play action passes. I mean

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Speaker 1: off the playoff ball fake, you know. I mean, he's

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00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: not a he seems like he's better when he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to think about setting up right, you know, when

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Speaker 1: he when he has to get back plant and let

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00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: it fly. And I didn't feel like the big arm.

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00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: I saw a better touch than I then I saw

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Speaker 1: a big arm because I saw the arc, you know.

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Speaker 1: But he puts some balls in some positions where guys

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Speaker 1: should have made plays and didn't. You know, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a Minnesota the talent on the outside, but he threw

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00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: a couple of swing passes he made the guy have

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Speaker 1: to work a little bit. He's just an up and

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: down guy. But the athletic ability the ball handler and

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: the ability to maybe throw off play action might somebody

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00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: might figure out, Hey, maybe this guy can do all that.

1132
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: But I I you just said, it's not don't think

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00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: about this quarterback here. Know what you just said. All

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00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: the stuff you just said is stuff that Dak is

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00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: really good at and stuff we credited Dak for during

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: the draft process. I'm not saying that that Dack's a

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Speaker 1: real quarterback. I don't think this. I don't think Niche

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00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: is a real quarter I just don't think this player

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: has any feel for the passing game. I think all

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Speaker 1: the productions I don't disagree. I mean, because this would

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00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: saying when he when he fakes, all he has to

1142
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: do is look up and throw it is it's not

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00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: reading it, it's it's yeah, I'm looking. I would love

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00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: for this team to draft a quarterback on Day three.

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00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: But the more I look at it, the more I

1146
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: just think this is not a great class to do that.

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00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. It's Peterman, a day three guy.

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00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: Probably not. It probably goes sooner. Davis Webb probably goes

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Speaker 1: top fifty. Okay, A colleague, a colleague of our, colleague

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00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: of Oars, A colleague Oars, Pete Prisco Pizza. Dear friend

1151
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: of mine, you have some great battles with Pete about

1152
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: running backs and stuff like that. Pete's talking to folks

1153
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: general Mansion. Maybe this is lying time. I said, this

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: is lying time. Yeah, they're talking about Webb being some

1155
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: general managers or I guess most general or football operations

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00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: guys saying that Webb could be a first round pick.

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Would that be? That would be shocking? Why? Yeah, I

1158
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: get it. Well, But then Christian Ponder, right, I mean

1159
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: look at some point, ej Manuel, I mean, yeah, with

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: with David's Webb, He's ball a good deep Paul, He's

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: an excellent deep ball. The arms there, Yeah, physically speaking,

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00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: the traits are there. But and he's a smart guy.

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00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: The guy is known as a gym rat him. His

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00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: dad's a long time high school football coach here in

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00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: North Texas. But he's never had to read a defense

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: in his life. Yeah, at Texas Tech, at Cal it's

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: all schemed for him. He's going to his initial read

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00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: most of the time. But he can spray the ball

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00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: all over the field. And so that's the one thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were watching some we were watching the

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Speaker 1: Coup and the ki Kids caw and it's like, oh man,

1172
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: he's sewing the ball down the field and you're like, oh,

1173
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: this got a shot to make it. Let's let's be honest.

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00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes is getting a lot of love as a

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: first round player. Is there really that much of a

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: difference between Pat Mahomes and Davis Webb in terms of Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love Pat Mahomes because I see I see I

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: see the production Davis Webb. I see a lot of

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00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: web Brookman, most of Jared Goss records this past year.

1180
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: I want to brag about that they're still still production. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm just I'm oh, I know. I'm just

1182
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: kidding you. Davis Webb couldn't hit anything at Senior Bowl practices,

1183
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: That's all I know. That's but he won the MVP

1184
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: though didn't know the game. Man, Yeah, that's he wasn't

1185
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: that great in practice, but during the games, so he's

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00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: a gamer like that? Is that what we're saying. No,

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00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: I just so you're okay, I'm playing Devil's advocate here

1188
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: because he's not a first round pick. But I'm just

1189
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: but you don't think Mahomes is a first round pick? No,

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00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: I think I like Mahomes in a second and like

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00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: David's Webb and the fourth. But I'm just saying, playing

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. You know, people love pet mahomes. People that

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Speaker 1: love pet mahomes, shouldn't they at least like Davis Webb,

1194
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Kaiser or Davis Webb. Oh it's not close, Davis Webb. No,

1195
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: it's Kaiser. Say no, that's not close. I think that

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Speaker 1: this only further proves my point with if Davis Webb

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Speaker 1: is being talked about, even as a top fifty guy,

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: there will not be a quarterback worth spending a draft

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Speaker 1: pick on after the third round. Boy, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a guy in the seventh Alec Torgerson that I watched

1201
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: that guy a little bit. Wat Yeah, I watched it

1202
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know what happened. I watched the

1203
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: wrong side of the ball. I watched him playing He's uh,

1204
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: he's from Pen Pen And I was watching Yale and

1205
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: I thought, wait a minute, I'm watching Yale's quarterback. And

1206
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: Yale's quarterback was kind of pitching her up pretty good.

1207
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, wait, An, I'm watching the wrong guy.

1208
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: Were you disappointed when he put on Pen's offense. I

1209
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: was a little disappointed, I had to say, I was

1210
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: a little disappointed. Goodness gracious, Yeah, talking about Ivy League

1211
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks now, how about that? All right? Guys, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Thanks everybody out there for joining us. I

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Speaker 1: also want to thank Derek Eagleton Taylor Stern for always

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Speaker 1: putting a our stuff out there. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: at K Hill there in Orlando, Florida for creating this

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Speaker 1: show so many years ago. And I want to thank

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Speaker 1: everybody out there for watching, for listening, for your interaction.

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Speaker 1: When we come back to you next week, there'll be

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Speaker 1: twenty one day, three weeks to the NFL Draft. I

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Speaker 1: hope everybody has a great week. Take care. This has

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