Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back season two All the Smoke from our beautiful New
Speaker 1: York location. Excited about today's guest, Uh, someone I really
Speaker 1: look up to in this space. One of the strongest
Speaker 1: black voices to me in the country, Charlotte Magne. Matt,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you for having me. Man. You know,
Speaker 1: I love All the Smoke. I love when I get
Speaker 1: this opportunity to actually be on shows that I actually listen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get into how we're really working together later, but
Speaker 1: let's just let's get into it. Man. The climate of
Speaker 1: America is on the brink of changing. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's finally reared. It's naked head and people are starting
Speaker 1: to realize that there's some real issues here. What don't
Speaker 1: you just thought them? Where we're at as a society
Speaker 1: right now. I think, whatever we're at, it's no going back.
Speaker 1: I'm wanting them do that. First voted in oh eight
Speaker 1: from President Obama, you know, in the White House, and
Speaker 1: beyonest the only voting for him because he was black.
Speaker 1: It was Blackie was cool, he had the culture, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think right now, a lot of us are
Speaker 1: more politically sophisticated, and we understand that you have to
Speaker 1: have the right people in the office to make certain
Speaker 1: things happen, you know. And I think those rose colored
Speaker 1: glasses that we all wore when Barack was in the
Speaker 1: White House, that's over. Like, I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's into the Harris, whoever is in there. We're
Speaker 1: not just gonna be in love with them because they're
Speaker 1: in there, you know what I mean. That's not where
Speaker 1: the change comes to. Change comes is continuing to push
Speaker 1: once they get in the White House. So I think
Speaker 1: wherever we're at in this country, there's no going back
Speaker 1: because both sides have been exposed, right like we've been
Speaker 1: to it's not all sweet and not The other side
Speaker 1: definitely knows it's not all sweet. But then you we
Speaker 1: also know that there's a whole other side. What you're
Speaker 1: talking about, what all this ship you're talking about, What
Speaker 1: you're talking about, That's what trips me out is we've
Speaker 1: been able to wait some people up and and heighten
Speaker 1: their senses and step outside of themselves and be vulnerable
Speaker 1: to try to understand the pain that the black community
Speaker 1: goes through. But there's a lot of people that feel
Speaker 1: like we're crazy for even addressing this and what are
Speaker 1: we talking about? And it's all bullshit? Why why would
Speaker 1: they want to relinquish that kind of power? Right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They got power, they got privileged,
Speaker 1: Why would they want to relinquish it. We're definitely gonna
Speaker 1: have to fight for that, But I kind of honestly
Speaker 1: for like, we're gonna be in this spot until Indian
Speaker 1: and Black Bood have a fingerprint on the constitution of
Speaker 1: how this country's actually ran because the president only can
Speaker 1: do so much, you know what I'm saying. And then again,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in voting for the lesser evil evil.
Speaker 1: It's evil, you know what I'm saying. And if we
Speaker 1: understand that the system is built for us to be
Speaker 1: in this position, is still fighting to this day that
Speaker 1: we have to have us say so how it ran,
Speaker 1: And that's really the only way we're gonna stop this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because a lot of times,
Speaker 1: like I said, we vote for people that we don't
Speaker 1: even have histories of hating us, absolutely, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So what kind of what kind of situation
Speaker 1: is that you know what we have we vomed for
Speaker 1: somebody who we know hate us. They don't make no
Speaker 1: sense the way I kind of look at that situation though,
Speaker 1: I mean said, since we since we're here now, I
Speaker 1: think as the black community, we asked people to understand
Speaker 1: and try to grow if you were a certain way.
Speaker 1: So that the first thing everyone points out is Biden's tracker.
Speaker 1: And by no mean and I justifying anything, that's just
Speaker 1: kind of just the way I kind of look at it.
Speaker 1: We look at his track working, and he could definitely
Speaker 1: say he was against the black community. Eighty six mandatory
Speaker 1: minimum sentence in eighty eight crack law and you've got
Speaker 1: more time for cracking Code nine crime bill, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can definitely so for him to say anything
Speaker 1: other to me, I just you're right, I made a mistake.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear. That's it. And then
Speaker 1: to me, but I was, like I said, so the
Speaker 1: way I'm looking at his track worker, he's quick to
Speaker 1: look at your tracker, gain ship, it's gonna be honest
Speaker 1: with you. But to me, it's just like can he
Speaker 1: possibly change? Can he possibly see through a different did
Speaker 1: being with brought for that amount of time rub off
Speaker 1: on him. So we're looking at someone who can possibly
Speaker 1: have changed. Is where he came from. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: we know who this other, who the current president is,
Speaker 1: what he's about, what his makeup is, who is base is.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's just like people say the lesser
Speaker 1: two evils, and I would agree to an extent. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking at someone who can possibly have changed, and
Speaker 1: if he's in office, he's going to have to prove
Speaker 1: that he changed because we realized he realized he could
Speaker 1: be gone after one tournament. He's able to make it,
Speaker 1: or we're picking someone who we know who he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even look at Joe Biden as a change agent.
Speaker 1: I look at him as a pathway to change. And
Speaker 1: I honestly feel like keeping the seat more old white
Speaker 1: male leadership. That ain't the pathway to change the white
Speaker 1: male leadership guys in this position, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: From the inception of how this country was put together.
Speaker 1: It was built for this old white male patriarchy and
Speaker 1: everybody else was considered secondary fourth. So I don't look
Speaker 1: at either one of them as change ages. I definitely
Speaker 1: don't look at Biden as a change as definitely don't
Speaker 1: look at Trump with the change, aden, But I think
Speaker 1: Biden is a pathway to change, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And it like you said talking about forgiving me, go
Speaker 1: back to that because you know how they do us.
Speaker 1: We could be on TV. That's all the stuff we're
Speaker 1: doing right now. We got a great show, all the
Speaker 1: stuff I'm doing in the community. As soon as I
Speaker 1: get on seeing then the person they do is talk
Speaker 1: about the brawl. That's right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But they want to but they wanted They don't work
Speaker 1: like that, That's right. That's why I personally don't give
Speaker 1: a funk about criticizing and Joe Biden, Like you shouldn't
Speaker 1: criticize Joe Biden. You gonna ruin his chances after all that?
Speaker 1: Like why can't I not critique him, call out his flaws,
Speaker 1: call out his record, and still vote for him? Like
Speaker 1: what kind of world do we live in? One posted?
Speaker 1: Just be quiet? And that's that's literally. He's like, you're
Speaker 1: telling people to shut up and vote the way people
Speaker 1: tell athletes to shut up and dream. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna shut up and vote. I'm an vote based off
Speaker 1: my interests and I'm gonna call out the things I
Speaker 1: don't like, and if you put some things on the
Speaker 1: table that I do, like, hey, I rock with that.
Speaker 1: And you're saying, forget this person, but you got a
Speaker 1: cousin that took two dollars from you, that you that
Speaker 1: you grew up with your whole life between forgating. Ain't
Speaker 1: forgating me still knowing that to dollars everything a little
Speaker 1: bit to the social justice movement, you know. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like when Kobe passed it was it's been
Speaker 1: a domino effective negative things that happened since then. We
Speaker 1: go before that, before life ain't been the same, feel
Speaker 1: like it was aching the matrix. After that ship has
Speaker 1: been going like damn. That's a great point, you know.
Speaker 1: So we get to the pandemic, and then we get
Speaker 1: to the George Floyd situation, which, you know, my man
Speaker 1: right here was was front and the biggest or if
Speaker 1: not the biggest testing in the history of our country.
Speaker 1: What was your take from from all that? When that
Speaker 1: George Floyd video hit, man, I remember exactly why I
Speaker 1: was at because I was trying to avoid it, and
Speaker 1: the reason I was trying to avoid it because I
Speaker 1: think sometimes, man, we passed. We just passed trauma amongst
Speaker 1: each other, you know, be on social media and it's
Speaker 1: another video of the video of this person, the video
Speaker 1: of that person. It's just like, damn, who were trying
Speaker 1: to prove we know what's going on in our country? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the other side, I need to see that. And I
Speaker 1: remember my homegirl called me. Was actually it was diffically
Speaker 1: had she called me and we was on the phone
Speaker 1: and she was telling me about it and she was crying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm trying to avoid it. And as
Speaker 1: I'm watching CNN, the video pops up, so I was
Speaker 1: forced to look at it. And I think that the
Speaker 1: reason that video was so impactful is because of that
Speaker 1: exact reason. A lot of us that know what's going on,
Speaker 1: we can avoid it. A lot of white people can
Speaker 1: definitely avoid it because that ain't even that world at all.
Speaker 1: But when we were forced to be still because of
Speaker 1: that coronavirus, and we sitting at home and we gotta
Speaker 1: watch that eight minutes and forty six seconds. Man, when
Speaker 1: I saw that, my my media thought was I felt defeated.
Speaker 1: And the reason I felt defeated cause I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: if this, this, this, this black man can be out
Speaker 1: in broad daylight, this cops kneeling on his neck. I'm
Speaker 1: watching all the other brothers and sisters around, just feeling hopeless,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean, not knowing what to do
Speaker 1: in that moment. I know they want to help, I
Speaker 1: know they want to react, but they don't want to
Speaker 1: end up there. It's just like I felt defeated. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do what? What do we do? And then when
Speaker 1: I saw everybody start tannh it up and burns it down,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the what other reaction did you expect
Speaker 1: from people? Like it's only but so much a community
Speaker 1: of people can take, especially in the city where it's
Speaker 1: been going on, a lot of people didn't even know
Speaker 1: that well, I say, when the George Floyd situational hit. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: when we, like you said, we've become so immune to it,
Speaker 1: we see police brutality, it's it's a shot and kill.
Speaker 1: We saw for nearly nine minutes a man suffer and
Speaker 1: vague and plead and call for his dead mom, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I think that having to see,
Speaker 1: like you said, having to see that because the world
Speaker 1: was still is the reason that the light came on,
Speaker 1: and some people said, but then at the same time,
Speaker 1: instantly he did this and his his past as this,
Speaker 1: and he he was he was resisting, and he was
Speaker 1: doing all this, and he you know, he had underlying
Speaker 1: Like I mean, even the corner came out and gave
Speaker 1: you know, a bullshit, you know, an autopsy results. So
Speaker 1: it's crazy that even when we when it's on your
Speaker 1: face in front of your children, to your grandmother and
Speaker 1: everyone can see, you still try to deny you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the lack of empathy. For me, it was
Speaker 1: just the lack the empathy of watching that that that
Speaker 1: that devil have his knee on on the brother's neck.
Speaker 1: And now you mean to tell me not one other
Speaker 1: officer that had the empathy to be like goddamn, not
Speaker 1: one until you've seen the other interview, I mean the
Speaker 1: other view where they're going outside of quite all of them,
Speaker 1: it's like, yea, what faith are we supposed to have?
Speaker 1: Is black people in this system? Like seriously like that.
Speaker 1: I don't can't remember a young lady neighbor when she
Speaker 1: said they should be lucky. Black people just want equality
Speaker 1: and not revenge. That's a very powerful statement to make.
Speaker 1: Because it's the truth, Like, we should all just be
Speaker 1: tearing this ship up based off the history that we
Speaker 1: based off what we've gone through in this country. And
Speaker 1: then the first thing they want to point out is
Speaker 1: the fact that things are getting torn up, but they
Speaker 1: never want to talk about, like, well, why is it
Speaker 1: getting torn up? Why are they They're just there were
Speaker 1: just wild animals. That's the way they want to pain
Speaker 1: us in act. But let's address why they're frustrated, why
Speaker 1: they're Why did Kentucky board up the downtown before they
Speaker 1: gave the result of the cops because it wasn't because
Speaker 1: they knew. Why did they tell the cops not to
Speaker 1: go on vacation and stay like because they knew they
Speaker 1: weren't going to serve justice. Like, let's look at the
Speaker 1: root issue of why this other ship is happening. I
Speaker 1: loved it too though, because they activated so many people
Speaker 1: in our community, like of all colors. Man, when I
Speaker 1: saw Stephen and Trey and Tamika at that press conference, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just like wow, you know, and I know that
Speaker 1: it was people telling you to stand down. They're like,
Speaker 1: you good, you got pided dollars what you cared for,
Speaker 1: But what was that like though, But they said they
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't pay no attention to it. You
Speaker 1: know how I am. You know, I've always been my
Speaker 1: brother's keeper, you know what I mean. And like I said,
Speaker 1: that's the closest person that I can said on my
Speaker 1: twin over in my life, you know, even though it
Speaker 1: wasn't real brothers. But I did with for him what
Speaker 1: I do for any one of my brothers, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if it calls me to go
Speaker 1: stand up and use my boys and my status to
Speaker 1: speak up for justice, but for anybody, you know, I
Speaker 1: was gonna do it, head head up, chest open. But
Speaker 1: what was it like for you? You've been a leader
Speaker 1: in locker rooms and on the floor, But what to
Speaker 1: like being a leader or a culture or a movement
Speaker 1: for something that the country has never seen, the world
Speaker 1: has never seen. I'll just leave with my heart, bro,
Speaker 1: just trying to do what I know is right. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I treat everybody the same. I
Speaker 1: don't have a history of racism. I don't have a
Speaker 1: history of hate towards nobody. So I walk in high,
Speaker 1: I talk it, you know what I mean. I wear
Speaker 1: my emotions on my sleeve and what you see is
Speaker 1: what you get with me. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I know I don't have all the answers. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I know, just like we talked about,
Speaker 1: I might not see what I'm fighting for, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But as long as I have, I
Speaker 1: know I had a hand in it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I know I'm living up. My death is
Speaker 1: gonna be worthy. How do you feel even though you
Speaker 1: are doing what's right, you're met with so much pushback, resistance,
Speaker 1: death threats, Like how does that? Because I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: probably faced it. Europe very vocal in space, I don't,
Speaker 1: especially on social media. I get him so much. It's
Speaker 1: just like, okay, you want to see me that I
Speaker 1: can literally tweet out thank you God for blessing me
Speaker 1: with another day of life and somebody be like, I
Speaker 1: was praying you that literally every day. But what they
Speaker 1: don't know is when they do stuff like that, you're
Speaker 1: just showing how much you dine inside. You're showing how
Speaker 1: mis but your life is and I'm powerful we are
Speaker 1: And then that they see, like Tournament said, why would
Speaker 1: they ever want to give that away because they see us.
Speaker 1: They've done everything they possibly can to keep a whole community,
Speaker 1: a whole set of people down. We continue to climb
Speaker 1: the ladder. But that's because we divine though. I always
Speaker 1: say that, like when I'll be speaking about black privilege,
Speaker 1: right and people hear me say that, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, this thing is black privilege, but I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about something systemic. I'm talking about something spiritual, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I really do feel like it's
Speaker 1: a privilege and honored to be in this black skin.
Speaker 1: And I feel like where they're power liese systemically, all
Speaker 1: power liese spiritually. And I feel like that's why things
Speaker 1: are shifting that because for I'm not gonna say for
Speaker 1: the first time, but for the first time in probably
Speaker 1: a long time, it's a collected mindset of black people
Speaker 1: saying no, something has to change, and they're putting energy
Speaker 1: towards that and speaking into the universe. And it's just
Speaker 1: like things are literally shifting around us systemically. Now we're
Speaker 1: getting the chance to really get like some some systemic
Speaker 1: change happening. So I think it's a beautiful thing. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when this years old but
Speaker 1: we're gonna look back and be like that was the
Speaker 1: that was the year, that was the cat change. You know,
Speaker 1: I faced a lot of kickback personally because I'm biracial.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom is Italian, my dad is black,
Speaker 1: and people are like, well, how are you so this
Speaker 1: isn't that? Because I've seen the good and bad on
Speaker 1: both sides. I've got it. I was growing up. I
Speaker 1: was never white enough, I was never black enough. So
Speaker 1: I've seen a good side and bad side from both sides.
Speaker 1: But there was an incident in high school that KKK
Speaker 1: came in nearly damn near burned my high school down.
Speaker 1: And that's when I realized, like, no matter how proud
Speaker 1: I am to be a viracial like I looked at
Speaker 1: as a black man, I never knew he waspercial. You
Speaker 1: need his daddy. You were like, yeah, you understand, you
Speaker 1: his daddy daddy to fifteen in the morning. That's how
Speaker 1: purple he is. People don't understand, like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about your half whine. I'm just like, you're right,
Speaker 1: and I'm very proud to be that, But in this
Speaker 1: world you're not. As a biracial person, you don't get
Speaker 1: a choice. They make it for you, Like Obama's biracial,
Speaker 1: but what is he our first black president? What it means?
Speaker 1: So if you could have dropped a drop of black
Speaker 1: in you, that's what you are. And people have a
Speaker 1: hard time even from the black side. You know you
Speaker 1: ain't black, all right, you got me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's just like it's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of inter battles amongst the bigger battles that need to
Speaker 1: kind of decease and understandment. If we come together as
Speaker 1: black and brown and then all of our other allies
Speaker 1: throughout the rainbow of colors, we can really make a change.
Speaker 1: But that's the only way we're gonna do with It's
Speaker 1: not just gonna be basketball in the bubble. It's not
Speaker 1: just going to be celebrities. It's gonna take all of
Speaker 1: us together to change something we didn't create in the
Speaker 1: first place. Do you feel like a sense of privilege? Never? Never, never,
Speaker 1: And even if people, well, you're rich people like like
Speaker 1: you said earlier, like Jack, stand down your rich like people,
Speaker 1: that's the first you've got money. You don't feel like
Speaker 1: when we came from this this movie, we came from
Speaker 1: food stands, we came from sharing bedrooms. We came from moving.
Speaker 1: I came from drugs and drug abuse and violence, and
Speaker 1: you know all that kind of ship. I mean, privilege
Speaker 1: from the white side. Don't the police because I never
Speaker 1: said I wouldn't say privilege. I I get lucky because
Speaker 1: I played basketball sometimes, so they'll recognize that side. But
Speaker 1: as far as just no, because regular every day life,
Speaker 1: the police, I was can't telling that you right have
Speaker 1: white you don't and don't care. Don't give a funk
Speaker 1: if you tell them that. He probably like, we got
Speaker 1: somebody here on drugs right now, sit more some backup police.
Speaker 1: What do you feel like the NBA's role has been
Speaker 1: um in the bubble and did you kind of like
Speaker 1: the idea of them going back or did you think
Speaker 1: they shouldn't. I like the idea, And tell Stephen made
Speaker 1: me think twice about it when you say saying I
Speaker 1: was all for I know Stephen saying, man, they don't
Speaker 1: need to come back, we need to you know, this
Speaker 1: is a chance to get some real change. And I
Speaker 1: was like, damn. So that was a whole another conversation
Speaker 1: that started. Should they go back? They not go back?
Speaker 1: And um, I felt like they should have went back.
Speaker 1: Because I knew eventually the news cameras were gonna go
Speaker 1: away from the protest and being and I knew the
Speaker 1: news cameras were gonna go away. We needed those brothers
Speaker 1: on that stage to do exactly what it I mean
Speaker 1: to keep that conversation going. They did, Lebron did. And
Speaker 1: I heard you said. I think it the first episode
Speaker 1: of All the Smoke where you was talking about how
Speaker 1: the little known players they didn't have a voice, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't heard, we wouldn't heard exactly now when they speak
Speaker 1: at that bubble then logo, And that was my only
Speaker 1: pushing in. Jack and I, you know, agreed to disagree,
Speaker 1: and most saw points on most sides because we were
Speaker 1: on opposite spectrums. Like I thought, just what you said,
Speaker 1: like their voice is much stronger, it's gonna resonate, it's
Speaker 1: gonna go around the world when they have the NBA
Speaker 1: logo behind it. Individually, we're gonna hear Lebron, We're gonna
Speaker 1: hear CP. But do we hear docs plea? Do we
Speaker 1: hear George Hills plea? Do we hear Fred van pleep?
Speaker 1: Like we don't hear these other please? If we're not
Speaker 1: together in that bubble. What do you feel like now
Speaker 1: they were coming to an end um to keep the
Speaker 1: momentum on that the NBA and particularly can do to
Speaker 1: keep this message going. I don't, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure outside of like real donations into the
Speaker 1: black community. Like I saw the number that they put up,
Speaker 1: I think it was like the owners, like, that's my
Speaker 1: my thing is I just I think the owners should
Speaker 1: step up because, to be honest with you, a lot
Speaker 1: of these owners are on the exact opposite side of
Speaker 1: where their players stand, the exact opposite side. And when
Speaker 1: you're an owner, you're a billionaire. You have these connections
Speaker 1: to be able to start conversations, open up dialogues, or
Speaker 1: in whatever political avenue you're in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's more of because a lot
Speaker 1: of them didn't want to talk. There are some that
Speaker 1: went out of their way to talk. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of coaches that went out of their way to talk,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them sat on there and kept
Speaker 1: their mouth shutting, sat on their hands, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So to me, it's more about align with
Speaker 1: your players, understand what your players are talking about. Even
Speaker 1: if you may not completely agree, but just have this
Speaker 1: conversation and we need the owners and players to come
Speaker 1: more together. And you hit on the head. Three hundred
Speaker 1: millions sounds like a lot to the average people, but
Speaker 1: over ten years, and if you think about these owners
Speaker 1: are playing each you know, their two star players over
Speaker 1: three million, you know what I mean. So it's not
Speaker 1: for thirty people to come up with it's that wasn't
Speaker 1: I think it's a great start, but I think it's
Speaker 1: not enough, and we have to continue to keep pressure
Speaker 1: on them because they're you know, their arenas are in
Speaker 1: these predominantly poor cities, and you know, people have to
Speaker 1: budget a whole month's salary to go to a game
Speaker 1: and take a family and to get food and to
Speaker 1: buy you know, merchandise and that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 1: like I like Robert Smith's two percent playing where he
Speaker 1: wanted all of these top corporations to put two percent
Speaker 1: of their net income into black owned banks because then
Speaker 1: the black owned banks could take care of basically of
Speaker 1: the community people when they get loans and house loans,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. That that's something that NBA should commit
Speaker 1: to because a lot of these problems that we have
Speaker 1: in these communities can be fixed by people with money.
Speaker 1: Filn't gotta wait on government, so they should be talking.
Speaker 1: And I also think the NBA needs something kind of
Speaker 1: like um the NFL had with the Inspire change things,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, uh, what the thing
Speaker 1: Rock Nation them is heading Like they need somebody to
Speaker 1: dictate where that money go. Give it to the brothers
Speaker 1: that's already on the ground doing things. And there's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a big name some of these big name corporations
Speaker 1: just sucking money away and it's not we don't have
Speaker 1: no but get in touch. You should have like a
Speaker 1: city leader in every city that you trust, or some
Speaker 1: kind of liaison that tells you, like, you know that
Speaker 1: group of there's really doing something for that that group,
Speaker 1: but there's this, so let's allocate Let's through them three
Speaker 1: millionless throw them seven, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 1: really know where the money is, because until you're walking,
Speaker 1: because every neighborhood is different. Houston's problems, in Atlanta's problems
Speaker 1: are different than the problems in sacrament in Oakland, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you have to be in
Speaker 1: tune with who's in these cities to see which programs
Speaker 1: best fit and best work in these cities, but there
Speaker 1: needs to be transparency on where this money it is
Speaker 1: definitely going. I thought the NBA did a great job
Speaker 1: of keeping the players safe first and foremost, uh with
Speaker 1: being in the bubble and and being tested and doing
Speaker 1: a great job at that. And then you see this
Speaker 1: administration reckless, masterless, calling it a hoax, making fun of whatever.
Speaker 1: And now the president hasn't like what kind of irony?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's irony. I think he
Speaker 1: earned it. I think I think he earned it, and
Speaker 1: he got exactly what he deserved. Like, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: throw your middle finger to something and act like it
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, that's usually the thing that points you right
Speaker 1: in your face. And that's what happened with COVID. And
Speaker 1: what did he say when he got the number of
Speaker 1: how many people? Does it? Is? What it is? Is
Speaker 1: what it is? So you can'tnot feel bad for people
Speaker 1: feeling like that towards him. And I'm not I'm the
Speaker 1: type of person I don't wish death on nobody. I
Speaker 1: don't wish death on him at all. But I don't
Speaker 1: even believe he really got the ship. I he would
Speaker 1: have to die in order to believe that heart being
Speaker 1: honest with you, because it's October. We got that whole
Speaker 1: October surprise thing going on, and you saw someone tweeted
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago, this is gonna be I posted
Speaker 1: at the other day that this is gonna be Trump's
Speaker 1: October surprises. He's gonna be sick and he's gonna dominate
Speaker 1: the headlines for two weeks on how hard he's working,
Speaker 1: with these fake pictures him working and scribbling his name
Speaker 1: on it, like the gimmicks are incredible, and it might
Speaker 1: be a cash our plan. Right if he know that
Speaker 1: he's leaving in in November, right, he know he getting
Speaker 1: voted out, he might have an investment into the pharmaceutical company,
Speaker 1: and he's out there telling people he's taking these experimental cocktails.
Speaker 1: I saw the stock shoot up for something of the ring.
Speaker 1: It's something I can't remember the name of the pharma company,
Speaker 1: but with its shot up two percent after he told
Speaker 1: everybody he took this experimental cocktail and they're from Queen's.
Speaker 1: He from Queens, the people, the founders of the company.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just how I'll be thinking. He's
Speaker 1: always had a mean hustle to me. Before this presidency
Speaker 1: and before he kind of showed his head or whatever
Speaker 1: hand he's had to play to get to where he's at.
Speaker 1: He's always had a mean He hasn't always won, but
Speaker 1: he's always been a mean, hustling business half kind of benefit.
Speaker 1: He got a motive in everything he's doing. Bro. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's what role would you like to see the black
Speaker 1: community play um not only amongst us coming together, but
Speaker 1: on the federal level and the state level of of
Speaker 1: of power. We need more black people wanting to be
Speaker 1: a part of that system, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because even though I think the whole system needs to
Speaker 1: be overhauled everything, I think they need to start over.
Speaker 1: We need to write a whole new constitution, the whole
Speaker 1: new Bill of Rights, everything, because we were not at
Speaker 1: that table when those things were initially written. But until
Speaker 1: we can do that, we got to have people that
Speaker 1: are in these positions of power, and we have to
Speaker 1: empower them in order to be able to give them
Speaker 1: the strength they need to stand up to that system.
Speaker 1: Because what happens is a lot of us getting those
Speaker 1: positions and we just go along to get along. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We're just trying to rock the
Speaker 1: boat too much. It's just like, so, what's what's the
Speaker 1: point of you being there. We don't need black faces,
Speaker 1: you know, in those spaces just because I want you
Speaker 1: in there because you care about our interest. So I
Speaker 1: would encourage. Like when I see scar Face running for
Speaker 1: political office in Houston, I like that. I want to
Speaker 1: do something like that. I know you want to run
Speaker 1: from man. I want to see killer might get in
Speaker 1: the plotst I want to see people that I know
Speaker 1: have our interests at heart get involved. Now, a lot
Speaker 1: of us might be scared because we know them bad
Speaker 1: ground checks is crazy, you know, crazy to absolutely, So
Speaker 1: I just want to see more of us in those
Speaker 1: positions of power, and I want them to know that
Speaker 1: we got their back and we're empowering them to really
Speaker 1: show up as their full self. That's really the biggest thing, right,
Speaker 1: You're right, because that's been our biggest problem. We're scared
Speaker 1: to get behind our brother and even though we know
Speaker 1: any going in direction, we're scared to get behind it
Speaker 1: because we want to lead instead of just following him. Player.
Speaker 1: That's our biggest problem. I always say, you can get
Speaker 1: you can get way more done when you stop worrying
Speaker 1: about who get the credit for right. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's a DC Rivers thing. Be a star in your role.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone has a role to play. We can
Speaker 1: all we all have a role to playing together. And
Speaker 1: you know who the leaders are like and I see
Speaker 1: to make a mallory is my leader? If you have to,
Speaker 1: you have to call yourself the leader, you're probably not
Speaker 1: the leading one. That's like if you have to give
Speaker 1: yourself a nickname, Nay, that's not really your nickname. You
Speaker 1: like your nickname is I'm someone else because your so dopeing.
Speaker 1: What you're doing is how you're supposed to be year leader?
Speaker 1: How you kick these nicknames? So anyway, so how do
Speaker 1: we get to this point? Your upbringing, your parents Jehovah Witness,
Speaker 1: your dad was going from Jehovah to practicing Islam. Um,
Speaker 1: what was that like growing up in a situation like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you're a kid, you don't
Speaker 1: really have no saying the matter. You know, my grandmother's
Speaker 1: Baptist mom and Jehovah Witness. My mom said get up
Speaker 1: and there's time to go to the kingdom. All this
Speaker 1: time and go to the Kingdom hall. When my dad
Speaker 1: gets this fellowship from the Kingdom Hall, he gets into
Speaker 1: Islam and he hands me the autobiography of Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X. When he hands
Speaker 1: me Messed to the Black Man by Alijah Mohammed, Messed
Speaker 1: to the Black Man by Ali Mohammed. When he tells
Speaker 1: me to sit down and you're gonna watch these speeches
Speaker 1: from Donovan through the backhun I sit down and I
Speaker 1: watched those speeches. It's really just about what sticks with
Speaker 1: you as you get older than what I realized is
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit of all of it.
Speaker 1: The stuff that jehoa witnesses taught, it's stuck with me,
Speaker 1: you know it. Stuff for the holidays. My my, my
Speaker 1: wife and kids love the holidays, so definitely do Christmas.
Speaker 1: But being a Muslim Islam, like all of that stuff sticks.
Speaker 1: I don't really consider myself anything, but there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything, a little bit. If you gotta relearn yourself,
Speaker 1: you gotta re teach yourself too. A lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that I was tard as a kid, I don't believe
Speaker 1: now because as a as a as a man, I
Speaker 1: understand stuff differently. You know. It's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: was told in a point of view, but a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff is told you as a kid to really
Speaker 1: to put a band aid over some ship and not
Speaker 1: really give you the full understanding. But as you come
Speaker 1: adult that some of those things you don't believe you understand.
Speaker 1: Now I heard you say I don't even know what
Speaker 1: show was that we're just talking off air the weed.
Speaker 1: Now my heart that you've learned more in this this
Speaker 1: last six eight months than you remember learning your whole life.
Speaker 1: Educated yourself and made the effort because I want to
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. You know, I ain't never
Speaker 1: talked to you about going back to school and get
Speaker 1: my history degree. You know, I'm in the process of
Speaker 1: doing that because it's sparked when when brod died and
Speaker 1: it sparks something God put me in a position out
Speaker 1: of the next for like I always say, but it
Speaker 1: sparked something that was supposed to happen, and my heart
Speaker 1: is in the right place. So everything that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do, I want to know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: being educated with about what I'm saying. I feel the
Speaker 1: same way. I just know that I'm never gonna be
Speaker 1: as smart as some people like you hit Michael Leric
Speaker 1: Dyson talk You're killing Mike talk and be like, hey man,
Speaker 1: they just got it. I just I just wanted words. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Never understand to me. My thing is just knowing what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I can't be you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: some people are blessed to be educated and be able
Speaker 1: to just spit that like some of these routes like
Speaker 1: jay z is just very intelligent. They could just put
Speaker 1: it out there. I just want to have a proper
Speaker 1: understanding of things. And even when we go back talking
Speaker 1: about religion, I remember when I started doing personal Bible
Speaker 1: study with one of the brothers of the Kingdom. All
Speaker 1: he kind of my mom has to do personal study
Speaker 1: with me. And as I started to read the Bible
Speaker 1: for myself, a lot of it just didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Adam, the first man, even the first woman,
Speaker 1: they had Kane, they had Able. Kane kills Able and
Speaker 1: goes off and finds a wife. The only people on
Speaker 1: the planet. But you know what I mean, And it's
Speaker 1: just like I remember, I remember reading Deuteronomy fourteen eight.
Speaker 1: I Thinkonomy fourteen they said you should not touch the
Speaker 1: flesh of a dead pig, nonetheless eat it. I remember
Speaker 1: asking the brother about that, because we're from the South,
Speaker 1: we love pop. He's like, well, if you pray over
Speaker 1: the food, you know, it's cool. It's good. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but Baba also said, don't have sex before, Max, So
Speaker 1: if I pray over the pussy before saying he couldn't
Speaker 1: playing that at him. He did. I never understood it's
Speaker 1: really both. For as a teen, you got in your
Speaker 1: fair share of trouble selling drugs, witness the shooting, got arrested,
Speaker 1: I had to go to jail, and you you sat
Speaker 1: down for forty one days. Sharle Man had that pack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what it was. I was in
Speaker 1: high school getting in so much trouble, right, and like
Speaker 1: my dad was my dad. My dad is a street dude,
Speaker 1: Like he comes from that. Like you know, my dad
Speaker 1: had his bouts with alcohol and cocaine. But he also
Speaker 1: was a guy that was good with his hands, so
Speaker 1: he had his construction business as well, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So he had kind of like that balance.
Speaker 1: But he knew that the lifestyle I was living. He
Speaker 1: would always say, you're gonna end up in jail, dead, broke.
Speaker 1: Sitting under the tree and that was his thing to me.
Speaker 1: And so when I started getting in so much trouble
Speaker 1: in school, I kicked out of tw high schools and
Speaker 1: I kicked out of Berkley High School. And what kind
Speaker 1: of trouble was it though? Disruption, man, I mean in class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're cutting up in class, class, clown fighting, just doing
Speaker 1: dumb ship, just dumb kidship. And so then they transferred
Speaker 1: me to scraffildcause that's my mom went to school there.
Speaker 1: And it's just like that was around sixteen seventeens, and
Speaker 1: then you start dabbling into other things. You know. You
Speaker 1: see your boys selling weeds, you see your boys selling
Speaker 1: a little dope, and you're like, let me get into that,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I'm just a guy who hung
Speaker 1: around those guys for a while before I got involved.
Speaker 1: But the first time I went to jail, one of
Speaker 1: my homeboys shot at somebody, and you know that whole
Speaker 1: no snitching things. So when they come to pick us up,
Speaker 1: like all right, so everybody got hit with it was
Speaker 1: an assault and Batty would attempt to kill charge everybody
Speaker 1: got everybody that I think sixteen seventh thing because they
Speaker 1: came and got me from high school and I was
Speaker 1: either repeating tenth grade, I think eating ten grade. So
Speaker 1: therefore I pulled me in the eleventh grade. So they
Speaker 1: were looking at level grade class that was in the
Speaker 1: ninth grade, the TI grade. It looks like I was repeating.
Speaker 1: Once I got the hospital was all bad. I felt
Speaker 1: ninth grade. They went to summer school, pass went to
Speaker 1: tenth They fell temper and when I feel at TIM,
Speaker 1: I think my pops was like, nah, you're staying in Tim.
Speaker 1: I FoST graduated ninety six. I graduated. Yeah, I'm just regulars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jack said he checked out in like TIFH grade too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I really checked out. I really checked You didn't graduated.
Speaker 1: YEA graduated, but I checked out the way before that
Speaker 1: two three years before and you were playing ball. Was
Speaker 1: all about who. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all about who.
Speaker 1: The teachers was cool with it though, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: cool with it back then. Now I ain't telling know
Speaker 1: you they was part of the playing back then. They're
Speaker 1: rocking with it. They want to see you making right now.
Speaker 1: They got their own motives. What was the half that
Speaker 1: got you going into radio? How did you know that
Speaker 1: was your calling or did it happen you wanted it.
Speaker 1: How did that? Honestly, Man Radio was the first thing
Speaker 1: that I ever did in my life that felt constructive
Speaker 1: and positive because before that, like I was running the
Speaker 1: streets the first time. You know, when you first get
Speaker 1: out jail, you gotta get a job, right. So I
Speaker 1: worked industrial COO just companies like a warehouse. Got fired
Speaker 1: from there two weeks. That I work in the Flower
Speaker 1: Guard and I worked there for a week. That that
Speaker 1: ship with modern day slavery. It was like me and
Speaker 1: a bunch of Mexicans out there, and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: ain't for me. Like, so I quit that after a
Speaker 1: week and then I don't see bother day slavery either.
Speaker 1: That that's I hate when people compare things to slavery,
Speaker 1: but it was, it was, it wasn't for me. Then
Speaker 1: I worked at um clothing store called Demo in the mall,
Speaker 1: and then I did tell the marketing. So I was
Speaker 1: the guy that would call your house and try to
Speaker 1: sell you ten c ds for a penny. So, and
Speaker 1: I worked at Talking About At one point my sister
Speaker 1: fired me after two weeks. But I'm saying all that
Speaker 1: to say I wanted to do anything exself. With being
Speaker 1: in the street that's it. I did not want to
Speaker 1: be in much of two weeks as a two weeks
Speaker 1: because he was a manager to the manager she hired
Speaker 1: me in five How much free talking about that you
Speaker 1: get during that time? Too much? That's why that's talking
Speaker 1: about high school with lip. But that's why. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do something positive. And I remember reading this
Speaker 1: acronym for peace and it was positive energy activates constant elevation.
Speaker 1: So I knew, as long as I'm out here doing
Speaker 1: something positive, things that growth, things of growth, things that grow.
Speaker 1: And then, like most dudes in the hood, I wanted
Speaker 1: to rap. I'm clearly too short to want to play ball.
Speaker 1: So it's just like the people who I saw on
Speaker 1: TV that was successful that looked like me were usually
Speaker 1: in rap or athletic. I started picking up the pen
Speaker 1: and writing, and I remember being in this recording studio.
Speaker 1: I met this guy named Willie will and he did
Speaker 1: local radio as James and Charleston. I just asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, did you get in the radio. He's like,
Speaker 1: I went done. Then I got an internship. I'm like
Speaker 1: it was that easy. He was like, yeah, this is Charleston,
Speaker 1: South Carolanta. So I ain't had to be in college
Speaker 1: and none of that. So that's what I did. I
Speaker 1: went done there and I got an internship, and like
Speaker 1: just being in that environment, like the radio, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, watching artists come in and out and
Speaker 1: being a contract and stuff. I'm like, this is what
Speaker 1: I wanted to That's it, this is what I want
Speaker 1: to do. When did you come to New York? How
Speaker 1: were you? Two thousand six came to me up for
Speaker 1: the first or not the first time. I had been
Speaker 1: to New York once before. I ain't. I didn't get
Speaker 1: on a plane until I was like twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: two years I don't remember when that was. I remember
Speaker 1: I came up here because my people never so deep
Speaker 1: records Dr Robert Evans, his son Blessed. They had a studio,
Speaker 1: I mean a record labor because never was so deep.
Speaker 1: So they was up here mixing records, and um I
Speaker 1: flew up here with them for one weekend, but then
Speaker 1: to live up here. I came here in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, and that's because Wendy Williams and her husband
Speaker 1: they were looking for a co host. I didn't even know,
Speaker 1: and I happened to be up here with them for
Speaker 1: a party and she invited me on her show and
Speaker 1: I was on her show for five minute and literally
Speaker 1: that night they was offering me her co hold slot.
Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, we can't pay you, we
Speaker 1: can give you a place to stay. I'm like, shoot,
Speaker 1: I'm making eight dollars an hour in Columbia, so I
Speaker 1: Carolina right now, I might as well make that move
Speaker 1: in New York and see what happens. And that's what
Speaker 1: I did. I worked with her for a year and
Speaker 1: a half for free. It was the best and worst
Speaker 1: time in my life. Learned at learned a lot from
Speaker 1: her just because she's such she's such a great radio personality,
Speaker 1: such a great media personality. But I also learned how
Speaker 1: not to treat people when you in that position that
Speaker 1: they were in. You know what I'm saying. I always
Speaker 1: say that was the best and the worst experience of
Speaker 1: my of my life, because yeah, they were terrible to people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You hear that, And I
Speaker 1: wondered because I don't know and I don't like to judge,
Speaker 1: But you hear that about Ellen and how she had
Speaker 1: to whole do a whole to make shift with her
Speaker 1: crew behind the scenes because people said they weren't treated right.
Speaker 1: So it's that that that that kind of stuff used
Speaker 1: to fly under the radar, but that's not flying no more.
Speaker 1: And it's a good position to be and now open.
Speaker 1: Once you call somebody like Ellen up, the only apology
Speaker 1: has changed behavior. So now her staff probably getting car
Speaker 1: service and can I help you? You You need some rolls,
Speaker 1: pedals being thrown on the floor, they walk, all types
Speaker 1: of stuff because that's the only way that she could
Speaker 1: rectified prove it. So you had a learning experience with Wendy,
Speaker 1: which counterpoached you a few years later into the breakfast club.
Speaker 1: How did that whole how did you andine uh and
Speaker 1: be come together? Well? I got fired from Wendy November
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. That was just because like
Speaker 1: the economy was in the toilet, so like everybody was
Speaker 1: getting fired like that I got. I got fired on
Speaker 1: November second. And the reason I remember that President brock
Speaker 1: Obama became President of elect on the limb a third,
Speaker 1: like I fired on him a second. They fired like
Speaker 1: thirty people. So I was cool with that, even though
Speaker 1: I had too much pride to go collect unemployment, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? My wife was working at the time,
Speaker 1: so she was holding it down with the bills and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then my daughter, my first daughter, was born Junior
Speaker 1: that year, so I was just to stay at home
Speaker 1: that and then I got put on the radio in
Speaker 1: Philly like around maya, two thousand and nine, and so
Speaker 1: I worked in Philly for like eight nine months and
Speaker 1: got fired again. And that time I went home. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I said, this city from me. I'm
Speaker 1: going back to South Carolina. We all packed up, me,
Speaker 1: my now wife, my first daughter. We went back to Cycline.
Speaker 1: I stayed there for a year. But priorday that always
Speaker 1: had kept in touching on Man g Spen, you know.
Speaker 1: And g Spen was the assistant program director that Pole
Speaker 1: one on five at the time, and he he was
Speaker 1: the one that kind of like he had bought Envy in.
Speaker 1: He had me on the radar, and then he was
Speaker 1: telling the Cadillac Jack, who was another mentor mine, just
Speaker 1: about us constantly. And so it literally meant I was
Speaker 1: in New York for the summer once and and that
Speaker 1: the summer old nine. I remember hitting up Span like
Speaker 1: y'all in town. He was like, yo, come to the
Speaker 1: station right now. So we I went to the station,
Speaker 1: and when I went to the station, he was like, yo, my, my, my, my, boss,
Speaker 1: Cadillac Jack. He's been in here watching your videos all
Speaker 1: morning because me and Duvall was doing the Little Duall
Speaker 1: was doing the Hood State of the Union, which was
Speaker 1: like a web series that we would do. We just
Speaker 1: talk about topics, you know, this before podcast, and that's
Speaker 1: what we were doing, and Cadillac was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you know. We had this whole conversation. He actually asked
Speaker 1: me about Wendy's husband because I had had a meeting
Speaker 1: with him before and when these husband was with me,
Speaker 1: and when, unbeknownst to me, when we had left the meeting,
Speaker 1: everybody that worked in that building was like, yo, you
Speaker 1: cannot hire Charlotte Magne when the husband is his manager.
Speaker 1: That guy is bad news, right. So I remember him
Speaker 1: saying to me, or is that still your managing? I
Speaker 1: said no. He said why. I said, because when I
Speaker 1: pray to God to take negativity out of my life,
Speaker 1: he's not swinging at things, He's swinging at people that
Speaker 1: of the embodiment of that negativity. And I'm like he
Speaker 1: was like oh, And then he was like, yeah, how
Speaker 1: long can you wait for this job, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: for this whenever the opportunity presents herself. And then like
Speaker 1: I think we started November that year that was two
Speaker 1: thousand and now, right, yeah, next month, next month will
Speaker 1: be ten years or whatever they say. I don't know
Speaker 1: what his hand, but yeah, November November be ten years.
Speaker 1: Who was some of the most memorable interviewed you guys
Speaker 1: from the beginning to the current. Man, That's that's such
Speaker 1: a broad question because I really sat down in front
Speaker 1: of people that I never thought i'd be sitting down.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you've been doing radio
Speaker 1: twenty two years, when I sit back and I think
Speaker 1: about when I first started. You know, I've sat down
Speaker 1: with Senator Clinton. Hillary Clinton, sat down with I don't know,
Speaker 1: to a farcon quite a few times. I sat down
Speaker 1: with the Gregory you know, Angela Baskett like stuff like
Speaker 1: that freached me out, Like I ask Angela Basket like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how everybody else feel about her, but me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I sat there with Magic Johnson, like
Speaker 1: I get I got to ask Magic about catching like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and asking him a
Speaker 1: question of that. I've always thought about, Like when you
Speaker 1: first got it, did you think about every little woman
Speaker 1: that you've been with throughout your whole like and be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I bet you it it was the young lady Sacramento And
Speaker 1: he was like, hell, yeah, you know. But it's just
Speaker 1: like but it's just like those conversations. I never thought
Speaker 1: I'd be able to ask the stuff I've always thought
Speaker 1: about with people to them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, man, I don't I can't sit
Speaker 1: here and say which one is more memorable, because sitting
Speaker 1: down with the wrench State is memorable to me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like sitting down with me Along
Speaker 1: is memorable to me. This is memorable, sitting down with
Speaker 1: a vice president Joe Biden, any of those ones that
Speaker 1: go viral, Like you know what I mean, Like all
Speaker 1: of these people mean something to me in in in
Speaker 1: various ways. Was there a person or a time you
Speaker 1: felt kind of like, Damn, I just interviewed song, so
Speaker 1: like I feel like I've made it now. Was there
Speaker 1: a time like that light came on? When did you
Speaker 1: feel like you had made it? I still now, because
Speaker 1: you know, we live in such a fast paced world.
Speaker 1: You're only as good as your last. So it's just
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to just sit back and be cool.
Speaker 1: Because Hillary Clinton talked about hot sauce. It's like, now
Speaker 1: what's next? And then literally, you know what's so crazy?
Speaker 1: That week that that Hillary Clinton hot sauce thing was Monday,
Speaker 1: That Friday was bird Man put some respect on Monday.
Speaker 1: So it's just like that's the way it moves. It
Speaker 1: moves just that fast, like Hillary be your biggest interview
Speaker 1: on the Monday. Literally that was our biggest interview ever
Speaker 1: on a Monday, and then Friday, No, this is really
Speaker 1: your biggest like numbers wise, analytical, analytic wise, this is
Speaker 1: your biggest interview ever. So it's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't never feel like I've I've made it. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't got to that. Only I did get to
Speaker 1: a place of worthy. I got to that place last
Speaker 1: and symbol you know, I mean, just feeling like I'm worthy,
Speaker 1: like not dealing with imposter syndrome, like like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: right where I'm supposed to be because God wants me
Speaker 1: to be here about But I never felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've made it. Who are some of the people you
Speaker 1: looked up to in this space or who have actually
Speaker 1: mentored you in this space. Oh man, so many. I
Speaker 1: mean from a far people like Pete Green. You know
Speaker 1: Pete Green. It was dope. You know. There's a movie
Speaker 1: called Talk to Me and like PD is like PD
Speaker 1: is what I think every black radio personality should be,
Speaker 1: you know. And he reminded me so much of me
Speaker 1: because he didn't have no formal training, Like he was
Speaker 1: a voice in jail, you know, like that's how he
Speaker 1: basically got discovered and ended up getting put on the radio.
Speaker 1: You know. So it's just like him the time Joiners
Speaker 1: of the world, because when it comes to the business
Speaker 1: of radio, those are the brothers that figured it out early.
Speaker 1: You know, they figured out that ownership part of it
Speaker 1: of it early, you know, Steve, all the Dug Banks,
Speaker 1: you know, Swaye, Big Boy, Andie Martinez, Wendy Williams, like
Speaker 1: and the beauty of these are people. Some of these
Speaker 1: people I've actually gotten a chance to get game from,
Speaker 1: you know, like Andie. I talked to Andree Martinez now often.
Speaker 1: You know, Um big Boy he works at I Heeart,
Speaker 1: Like me and him have conversation. Suaye is always giving
Speaker 1: me games so it's just like I learned from all
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean, because they all
Speaker 1: paved the way for me to even be doing what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. You mentioned ownership, which I love. Um, you've
Speaker 1: recently teamed up with I Heart Uh and created The
Speaker 1: Black Effect. Can you tell us that's about? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Black Effect podcast network. Man, it's like, um, the audio
Speaker 1: business is booming, you know, and I've been with Breakfast
Speaker 1: Club Continues, but I've been doing my own podcast, The
Speaker 1: Brilliant Idiots for like six years, you know, so I
Speaker 1: had a temper cent ownership stake in a podcast network
Speaker 1: called Loudspeaker. You know. So I've been watching, you know,
Speaker 1: just the inner working of the podcast game from that
Speaker 1: perspective for a long time. And then you know, when
Speaker 1: you sit back and you start seeing Bill Simmons doing
Speaker 1: what he's doing with the ringer, and you see what
Speaker 1: Gimblet is doing, and you see what Anchor is doing,
Speaker 1: you see what Barstool is doing. You sit back and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, why there's no black network like that?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you got these networks that have
Speaker 1: black shows, but what was the network that's like majority
Speaker 1: of black? And it's really paying attention to what's going
Speaker 1: on in our coach and really knows the voices that
Speaker 1: needs to be, you know, amplified. It's just like, let me,
Speaker 1: let me build that. So that's where my mind has
Speaker 1: been for like the past three or four years. And
Speaker 1: I knew my contract was up in the symbol. I
Speaker 1: think I put myself in a position to where they
Speaker 1: would want to negotiate with me. You know, I think
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of that didn't calls it
Speaker 1: black leverage, you know. So I was like, look, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be talent like you know,
Speaker 1: you already know I'm in this podcast space. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this somewhere, so let's figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was with it, it was it
Speaker 1: was not no hesitation, like literally no hesitation. So we
Speaker 1: created this whole other company called the Black Effect Podcast Network,
Speaker 1: a majority owner of it, you know, along with our
Speaker 1: heart and is enabling me to use their resources and
Speaker 1: their finances to invest in us. And I love it too, because,
Speaker 1: like we said, with the allocation of the NBA money,
Speaker 1: they need to be able to work with pillars in
Speaker 1: those communities absolutely are a pillar of our community. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, you're able to use I hearts resources
Speaker 1: and all the amazing ship that comes with our heart
Speaker 1: to help focus on us and help grow us. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited too, obviously having all the smoke
Speaker 1: as a partner. Man, I'm so happy with your partners.
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember when they hit hit me and
Speaker 1: they was like, Yo, we might have a chance of
Speaker 1: partner with all the smokes. I'm like, do it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, do it. Give them whatever they want, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and it was like saying
Speaker 1: black leverage because y'all got know us, you know, like
Speaker 1: they can't front on y'all. They can't tell y'all what
Speaker 1: they think. There's a there's a market value and you
Speaker 1: either got to meet that. And don't we know we
Speaker 1: were We appreciate it, MANOK, Like I said, we obviously showtime,
Speaker 1: shout out showime. So yeah, I heard and Black Effect.
Speaker 1: We're proud to be a part of that family too.
Speaker 1: You know, you and I talked once a week on
Speaker 1: just strategizing and how can That was the first thing
Speaker 1: I told when I when I went out over there,
Speaker 1: was like, bro, I want to help you really grow
Speaker 1: this ship, like you know, I'm not just a talking
Speaker 1: head on a podcast like less, Like they put someone
Speaker 1: in control now that really has a post for our culture.
Speaker 1: So that made me excite, like they gave me hope,
Speaker 1: like okay, here we come, and well what I hit
Speaker 1: him the other day? I was like, what do you
Speaker 1: think about a black bar stool? And he's like, that's
Speaker 1: what we're trying to that's what you just said that
Speaker 1: you called him the black Death Simmons Simmons Deil Simmons
Speaker 1: because to me, was about the cash out like Bill did.
Speaker 1: I told I told Madam like, yo, that's what I see.
Speaker 1: All the smoke eventually being he wants us to give
Speaker 1: us a little let me tell him and I want
Speaker 1: to see all the smoke, have all the smoke need
Speaker 1: just it's Network where they're just rolling out those voices
Speaker 1: in sports that are like y'all, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like there's it and only y'all know that, only Matt
Speaker 1: and Steven know who those other voices are that are
Speaker 1: like y'all, like those guys that are cut from that cloth,
Speaker 1: absolutely like that's that's that's why this show works. It's
Speaker 1: plenty sports guys, have gotten together and done shows. We
Speaker 1: ain't never seen sports from a real nigger perspective, and
Speaker 1: that's just the truth to the rep. I've also liked
Speaker 1: that you've been for a while, Like you said, You've
Speaker 1: had your podcast, You've dabbled the MTV reproductions. Uh, you
Speaker 1: have the emerging Hollywood on YouTube. One thing that I
Speaker 1: thought was really dope though, because you've we've been hearing
Speaker 1: your growth and in your evolution as as not only
Speaker 1: a black man but a businessman as well. But one
Speaker 1: thing that touched me was the the the WiFi situation
Speaker 1: that you provided was it was it in Colombia. Talk
Speaker 1: to us about that because that ship, just like that
Speaker 1: was so dope. Yeah, my man, man, Stephen Benjamin. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying to Steve Benjamin black Man, Columbia, South Carolina,
Speaker 1: that's why local politics is so important. Because I can't
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and get to the president, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I'm from South Carolina. I've
Speaker 1: lived in Columbia and my wife went to the University
Speaker 1: of South Carolina. I can pick up the phone and
Speaker 1: hit my man, Stephen. It's just a matter of like, Yo, Steve,
Speaker 1: what what does the city need right now because I
Speaker 1: usually do a bookbag drive every year, and I've been
Speaker 1: doing that for years at my hometown Amongst Corner, but
Speaker 1: that just didn't feel right this year. So I just
Speaker 1: reached out to Steve and he was like, man, that's
Speaker 1: so I'm so happy you hit me. And he introduced
Speaker 1: me to this company called ignite Cities, and basically what
Speaker 1: ignite Cities is doing is making sure that people have
Speaker 1: WiFi in these various areas, you know. And it was
Speaker 1: just like, Yo, this is how much it's gonna cost
Speaker 1: and they can make it happen. I'm like, that's easy,
Speaker 1: you know. So now that I did it, it got
Speaker 1: it gets the ball rolling on the city because now
Speaker 1: I said, you look kind of crazy, like man our citizens,
Speaker 1: I'll do us. So now the next round they gotta hand.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, you know, that's why I don't
Speaker 1: really like to talk about things like that. But I
Speaker 1: realized it's just like why people stunt, right, people stunting.
Speaker 1: They get inspired and you see somebody with a car
Speaker 1: that you want, you damn don't want that. You see
Speaker 1: somebody with a chain, I'm like I want to do
Speaker 1: that now, Like I said, the fact that I saw
Speaker 1: you do that, I was going to ask you how
Speaker 1: because I wanted to get to the poor like people
Speaker 1: don't understand, like we're in a new I mean, I
Speaker 1: have kids and we're on online school and that ship
Speaker 1: is terrible. But I couldn't imagine if my kids couldn't
Speaker 1: get online and get their school work done. You know
Speaker 1: what you said, you saw some kids trying to take
Speaker 1: WiFi from Taco Bell. They're sitting right next to Taco Bell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was an article I read and it was these kids.
Speaker 1: They was literally doing that homework. And and Stephen had
Speaker 1: already Steven already told me about the Avengement, So when
Speaker 1: he when I read that article and I and he
Speaker 1: told me that, man, we gotta do this asap. Right,
Speaker 1: Let's let's get this. I need to ye. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do that in Sacramento too, so I need to
Speaker 1: get that in for gonna. I'm gonna talk how important
Speaker 1: has it been for you in your journey? Like I said,
Speaker 1: I just saying your praises, but how important has it
Speaker 1: been for you to empower the black voice not only
Speaker 1: in your space, but in the athletic space and the
Speaker 1: politics space and the community space. That's all I care about.
Speaker 1: Like if I was an NBA player, I would definitely
Speaker 1: want to lead the league and assist more than scoring points.
Speaker 1: Like that's all I care about. Like literally, like I've
Speaker 1: always regardless of what platform I was on, whether it
Speaker 1: was Breakfast Club, whether it was my podcast, whether it
Speaker 1: was the shows I was doing on Viacom, like uncommon sense,
Speaker 1: Like I always want to give everybody else an opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: how you live forever. Right, Eventually your star is gonna
Speaker 1: burn out. Eventually people will get tired and seeing you
Speaker 1: front and center all the time. So what keeps you alive?
Speaker 1: Who you opened the door for? When I look at
Speaker 1: guys like jay Z, Like look at the all the
Speaker 1: fruit off jay Z's tree, I mean, no Rihannaa, Kanye Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ja Cole like another person who got fruit from a tree,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I want to be that,
Speaker 1: Like you want to be that guy that you empowered
Speaker 1: space though too, you're doing it in a new space
Speaker 1: and music has been that They've had their struggles, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, and they've been able to do it.
Speaker 1: But you're in this multimedia space that has has been
Speaker 1: and still is dominated by a certain culture. So I
Speaker 1: just want to do it for the things that I
Speaker 1: know i'm good at. Like I'm good in the audio space,
Speaker 1: I'm good in the book world, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So being that I'm good in those spaces, I can
Speaker 1: provide opportunities in those spaces. What's what's up? That's my
Speaker 1: interview has been going. That's probably to me, this has
Speaker 1: been the most smooth interview we've done. Just on being
Speaker 1: has been It's flawing. He even slid in a couple
Speaker 1: of questions. Yeah, you know, it's still in it. Um,
Speaker 1: we're coming to the end. That ship went by quick
Speaker 1: as fuck. Um. Top five hip hop albums in your
Speaker 1: mind before you start, Good Trouble eight songs. I'm dropping
Speaker 1: on George Birthday. I'm sent it to year though. Good
Speaker 1: Trouble Okay, who I know, you got trade on that,
Speaker 1: but just me on that, Okay, self pluck, that's what
Speaker 1: we gotta show. Top five either we can do we
Speaker 1: can even do albums, or we can do artists. It's
Speaker 1: easy for me to do artists. Let's do artists. And
Speaker 1: I really do have a top out of top seven.
Speaker 1: My top seven is jay Z number one. He probably
Speaker 1: he probably means the most ghost Face is my favorite
Speaker 1: rapper of all time, but jay Z is probably the
Speaker 1: most important rapper of of of all time to me,
Speaker 1: right then, scar Face, love Face, t I Jeez killing
Speaker 1: Mike in in Nas. That's that's my that's my top
Speaker 1: seven that I can go listen to any of the
Speaker 1: albums at any given time and be be content. You
Speaker 1: my top five seven, top five or seven? Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: going park jay z Face, Nah's bund By Yeah, buncle, buncle.
Speaker 1: We forget about Bunn only because he was part of
Speaker 1: a group like you name if I name groups, I'm
Speaker 1: putting u g K. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you forget about how cold Bun is. Yeah, I got pop,
Speaker 1: I got big, I got Ja, I got snoop. God
Speaker 1: IM about to say you got a much. You listen
Speaker 1: to nip Bro. You gotta love I love that man.
Speaker 1: That that that that that legacy. That's what you call
Speaker 1: a stolen legacy. So fast see, I see I got listen.
Speaker 1: My brother always puts me on the music. So when
Speaker 1: I was coming to l A and two thousand nine tennis,
Speaker 1: like you gotta listen to Nip like he's just he's
Speaker 1: your funk with him. So I started listening to his
Speaker 1: ship and instantly fell in love. And then I came
Speaker 1: to the Lakers and next season, so I hit dude
Speaker 1: on the d M and he hit me right back
Speaker 1: and like, YO need to the Lakers, you know once
Speaker 1: you come to again. Came to a game and just
Speaker 1: hit it off with him. I mean, Jenny went down
Speaker 1: to Earth and I've seen him evolved from when he
Speaker 1: was riding around the little shows and I'd be falling
Speaker 1: them to two shows and we'd be upstairs. I've being
Speaker 1: with a bunch of sixties upstairs on the Lakers smoking weed.
Speaker 1: Like is that Matt Marsham the Lakers back there smoking
Speaker 1: with you know what I mean? So to be able
Speaker 1: to see his elevation from when I when I when
Speaker 1: I learned on him in O nine to what he
Speaker 1: left us with, like he said that was a star
Speaker 1: shot down early. I meant. I'm saying. With my home girl,
Speaker 1: Devide Brown, she was doing radio in l A on
Speaker 1: on Cadis. When I used to go out there. She
Speaker 1: used to put me on all the new rappers. So
Speaker 1: it was Kendrick, It was Nipsey, was Glasses Malone Bishop.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that bullets ain't got no name. I
Speaker 1: was like god right, but his evolution to what the
Speaker 1: content and which he wrapped it and he rapped about
Speaker 1: his evolvement to and his evolution and she was heard
Speaker 1: it through every project manaw Mailbox Money up until Victory Lap,
Speaker 1: and that was what to think about. That was his
Speaker 1: first album, though History Lap was his first. I mean
Speaker 1: he obviously he has if you know his history, he's
Speaker 1: got his history. But that was just his That was
Speaker 1: number one and it was called Victory Lap. Think about that,
Speaker 1: your first debut album on a major label, which ends
Speaker 1: up being your last album is called Victory Lab. Like
Speaker 1: it's almost like some foreshadows like Man, you know he said,
Speaker 1: they said he two generation. We gotta ask me a
Speaker 1: question that we getting asked our guess. So who do
Speaker 1: who do you think should be on our show next?
Speaker 1: But when you ask that question, you gotta be somebody
Speaker 1: that you can help us get on here. Everybody you know,
Speaker 1: he said, jay Z gave on all the smoke, will
Speaker 1: you fire? I want to see shock on him. For
Speaker 1: some reason, I just tapped in with Shaq shock even
Speaker 1: motherfucking hollywoodness. Bro, we hit you last week, you said
Speaker 1: he was coming, then Jack hit you and he said
Speaker 1: he was coming. Then you disappeared to start doing all
Speaker 1: these motherfucking commercials. I just talked to him last week,
Speaker 1: though he gave me his new number. He said us on,
Speaker 1: He said, soon as the playoffs over, I was about
Speaker 1: to be over shot. And we know you. You know
Speaker 1: you gotta go to all these banks and make all
Speaker 1: these deposits because you're getting all this money, but you know,
Speaker 1: just making time for us. Man. You know what, I
Speaker 1: don't want to see shot on here because Shaq got
Speaker 1: he got some real nigger. He's suppressed, oh man, But
Speaker 1: it's only because yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think if
Speaker 1: he gets around, y'all will okay. He was one of
Speaker 1: the craziest team. I can't wait to talk about man,
Speaker 1: the ship he used to do in the locker room.
Speaker 1: If he talks about it, it's gonna blow people away.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker was a seven foot two, three hundred sixty
Speaker 1: pound kids. Funny as that's the inside info that y'all
Speaker 1: have that people don't have. He was in the locker
Speaker 1: room with Sack, so the conversations are different. That's why
Speaker 1: even if you watch the show like Drink Champce with
Speaker 1: Nori right. The reason Nori can talk to these guys
Speaker 1: the way he does grow with him inside information. That's
Speaker 1: what they was saying with us because we've been there,
Speaker 1: We felt every emotion. We've been mean, So I like
Speaker 1: that Shack. I've dinner guests that are alive, oh Man, Um, Donna, Blelajah, Muhammed, Martin,
Speaker 1: Luther King Jr. Pop Nip and who my Angelo. Considering
Speaker 1: the climate we're in right now. One book you would
Speaker 1: recommend for people to read, well, for black people or
Speaker 1: just in general. I tell everybody, man, you've gotta if
Speaker 1: you've never read a Message to the Black Man Biologic Mohammed,
Speaker 1: that's an amazing book for every black man on this
Speaker 1: planet to read. You know what I mean, because there's
Speaker 1: so many different life lessons that we can apply to
Speaker 1: what's going on now, from the politics to diet to
Speaker 1: you know, mental health, mindfulness, everything. It's like Honorable Algis
Speaker 1: Mohammed was. It was eighty years ahead of everybody when
Speaker 1: he wrote that book. On the flip side, people who
Speaker 1: are trying to align with us, a book you would
Speaker 1: recommend for them to read or understand us honestly, to
Speaker 1: understand this man, I think the Autobiography of Malcolm X.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say the Autobiography of Malcolm xics
Speaker 1: because you see what happens when a black man is
Speaker 1: put in a certain environment, right, But you also see
Speaker 1: what happens when a black person has provided opportunity. Because
Speaker 1: I always say, the greatest book about growth and evolution
Speaker 1: that I've ever read in my life is the Autobiography
Speaker 1: of Malcolm X. Malcolm Little going to Malcolm X. And
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing people don't understand about the
Speaker 1: Nation of Islam. They provide that opportunity for black people
Speaker 1: that America is not, you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: provide those tools and those resources for black people that
Speaker 1: America is not. And that's how you can get a
Speaker 1: Malcolm Little to turn into a Malcolm X. That's how
Speaker 1: you can get a cascious Clay to turn to a
Speaker 1: Mohammad Ali, you know what I mean. So it's just
Speaker 1: like I think that if if white people read that book,
Speaker 1: they would understand that black people aren't inherently evil, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? This system put us in a
Speaker 1: fund up position. And in order for this system, the
Speaker 1: the really atone for its sins, it's got to provide
Speaker 1: things for us to get us out. And since we
Speaker 1: know that's not gonna happen, we're gonna have to do
Speaker 1: it ourselves. Straight up. Last question, who is your one
Speaker 1: figure we look up to that all lives a lot.
Speaker 1: That's easy for sure, definitely good question. Explain yours and
Speaker 1: then I'll give you jay Z jay Z for me
Speaker 1: because and you're so crazy. When I when I first
Speaker 1: listened to jay Z, I didn't. I didn't like jay
Speaker 1: Z only because, like you know, I come from the South.
Speaker 1: I was into like the gritty, grimy stuff. It was
Speaker 1: just like it was dude was talking about so much
Speaker 1: money and all that big willie. It was like, I
Speaker 1: don't wanna hear that. But the reason I look up
Speaker 1: to him is because it's just like watching his evolution
Speaker 1: from coming in the game as a rapper entrepreneur. But
Speaker 1: the things he used to talk about to all always
Speaker 1: when I say always, always showing us where he's at
Speaker 1: in his life. If you listen to every jay Z album,
Speaker 1: you could tell exactly what he was at in his life.
Speaker 1: He went from the player who was kicking girls out
Speaker 1: that sticks in the morning to now being the husband,
Speaker 1: family man, going to therapy. And if you've ever had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of just being up there Rock Nation, it's
Speaker 1: just like, that's what you would want your company to
Speaker 1: look like. It's his family and it is his long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's really like the blueprint, you know, and the way
Speaker 1: he just quietly shows up for his people all the time,
Speaker 1: like and it's been doing it. We're just getting hipped
Speaker 1: to all of the things that that that he's done.
Speaker 1: But it's just like when I look at him, he's
Speaker 1: just a good representation of what I think a black
Speaker 1: man is. Like. You know, you you dealt the worst
Speaker 1: hand you make, you make that you make the best
Speaker 1: of that hand. You would debt become a billionaire, but
Speaker 1: you take your your people with you every step of
Speaker 1: the way. The people that are willing to grow what
Speaker 1: you're doing, the one that it ain't meant for everybody,
Speaker 1: but the ones that are that are willing to grow
Speaker 1: with you and they're supposed to be there, they still
Speaker 1: with you. And he represents that to me. To answer
Speaker 1: your question, I guess I look at it different. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to play as long as
Speaker 1: I play in the NBA. My transition into this space,
Speaker 1: there's people look up to, so he's one of them. Um,
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith is one of them. Michael Strahan, who
Speaker 1: is to me the ultimate because he was to cross
Speaker 1: from professional athlete to sports, but then two mainstream media too,
Speaker 1: and that's what I really want to do. Like I
Speaker 1: love sports, but I want to transition into like real
Speaker 1: um life. And then Kevin Fraser, Kevin Kevin Is. Kevin's
Speaker 1: helped me in this space. You told me one. I
Speaker 1: didn't know I could name more, but Jack surprised me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for my own question. Who's George? I
Speaker 1: think the only person I look up to is my
Speaker 1: little brother. But it's simple fact that I wanted to
Speaker 1: be that guy that day to one woman through high school,
Speaker 1: had kids by working, one family doing everything to write,
Speaker 1: so I got kids all over the place. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's only because you're allergic to column
Speaker 1: So that's not really that. That's not what it was.
Speaker 1: That's not what it was. But uh but seriously, though,
Speaker 1: now I honestly look up to my little brother because
Speaker 1: he's done everything the right way. Obviously he wanted my life.
Speaker 1: He wanted to play basketball, but it didn't work out
Speaker 1: for him. But his life and the way the man
Speaker 1: he is and how he takes scale of our whole
Speaker 1: family when anybody called, he there for him, that's the
Speaker 1: that's the man. I really want to shout out to
Speaker 1: Stamp Harley and got some twins. Jah. That's crazy you
Speaker 1: say that about because it's it's guys that I've I'm
Speaker 1: totally faithful to my wife. Now, I've been faithful for
Speaker 1: four years since I told two sixty. But you've been
Speaker 1: with her. I like it. It's a change. You gotta
Speaker 1: start somewhere with with with Jack. That is real. It's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we do look up to these guys that are faithful
Speaker 1: today women early on, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't had that kind of discipline because you know
Speaker 1: how tough it is. You know how tough it is.
Speaker 1: Like I can't fire anybody the kids because I've never
Speaker 1: been perfect when it comes to that. That's that's how hard.
Speaker 1: That's another good Well. I just I just think he
Speaker 1: understood what he wanted with his life at a young age.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like being saying my grandmother
Speaker 1: my grandfather been together for so long. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. My mom, you know, she would have just
Speaker 1: dedicated I like to us. It's certain things that triggered
Speaker 1: him to do things the right way. He was around me,
Speaker 1: He's seen me doing all that stuff, He's seen women
Speaker 1: around me. He would just so focused on doing things
Speaker 1: the right way, and that's what I wanted, but I
Speaker 1: was distracted by other ships. Yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do my household the way my father and I love
Speaker 1: my pops, you know what I'm saying. But I didn't
Speaker 1: want to do my household the way I saw him
Speaker 1: do his house. You know what I'm saying. He got
Speaker 1: caught with his digging the dirt. He's still with the
Speaker 1: same woman, so clearly that was meant to be right.
Speaker 1: But my mom got divorced and then that kind of,
Speaker 1: like to me, messed the family up, right, So I
Speaker 1: didn't want to do that in my house. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a wrap. Charlotte bay Man. We appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: They've been waiting on that man. Thank you for having me.
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