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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back season two All the Smoke from our beautiful New

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Speaker 1: York location. Excited about today's guest, Uh, someone I really

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Speaker 1: look up to in this space. One of the strongest

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Speaker 1: black voices to me in the country, Charlotte Magne. Matt,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you for having me. Man. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love All the Smoke. I love when I get

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Speaker 1: this opportunity to actually be on shows that I actually listen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into how we're really working together later, but

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Speaker 1: let's just let's get into it. Man. The climate of

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Speaker 1: America is on the brink of changing. I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's finally reared. It's naked head and people are starting

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Speaker 1: to realize that there's some real issues here. What don't

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Speaker 1: you just thought them? Where we're at as a society

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Speaker 1: right now. I think, whatever we're at, it's no going back.

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Speaker 1: I'm wanting them do that. First voted in oh eight

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Speaker 1: from President Obama, you know, in the White House, and

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Speaker 1: beyonest the only voting for him because he was black.

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Speaker 1: It was Blackie was cool, he had the culture, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I think right now, a lot of us are

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Speaker 1: more politically sophisticated, and we understand that you have to

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Speaker 1: have the right people in the office to make certain

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Speaker 1: things happen, you know. And I think those rose colored

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Speaker 1: glasses that we all wore when Barack was in the

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Speaker 1: White House, that's over. Like, I don't care if it's

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's into the Harris, whoever is in there. We're

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Speaker 1: not just gonna be in love with them because they're

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Speaker 1: in there, you know what I mean. That's not where

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Speaker 1: the change comes to. Change comes is continuing to push

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Speaker 1: once they get in the White House. So I think

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Speaker 1: wherever we're at in this country, there's no going back

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Speaker 1: because both sides have been exposed, right like we've been

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Speaker 1: to it's not all sweet and not The other side

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Speaker 1: definitely knows it's not all sweet. But then you we

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Speaker 1: also know that there's a whole other side. What you're

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Speaker 1: talking about, what all this ship you're talking about, What

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, That's what trips me out is we've

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Speaker 1: been able to wait some people up and and heighten

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Speaker 1: their senses and step outside of themselves and be vulnerable

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Speaker 1: to try to understand the pain that the black community

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Speaker 1: goes through. But there's a lot of people that feel

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Speaker 1: like we're crazy for even addressing this and what are

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Speaker 1: we talking about? And it's all bullshit? Why why would

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Speaker 1: they want to relinquish that kind of power? Right, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They got power, they got privileged,

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Speaker 1: Why would they want to relinquish it. We're definitely gonna

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Speaker 1: have to fight for that, But I kind of honestly

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Speaker 1: for like, we're gonna be in this spot until Indian

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Speaker 1: and Black Bood have a fingerprint on the constitution of

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Speaker 1: how this country's actually ran because the president only can

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Speaker 1: do so much, you know what I'm saying. And then again,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in voting for the lesser evil evil.

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Speaker 1: It's evil, you know what I'm saying. And if we

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Speaker 1: understand that the system is built for us to be

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Speaker 1: in this position, is still fighting to this day that

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Speaker 1: we have to have us say so how it ran,

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Speaker 1: And that's really the only way we're gonna stop this ship,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: like I said, we vote for people that we don't

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Speaker 1: even have histories of hating us, absolutely, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So what kind of what kind of situation

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Speaker 1: is that you know what we have we vomed for

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Speaker 1: somebody who we know hate us. They don't make no

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Speaker 1: sense the way I kind of look at that situation though,

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Speaker 1: I mean said, since we since we're here now, I

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Speaker 1: think as the black community, we asked people to understand

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Speaker 1: and try to grow if you were a certain way.

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Speaker 1: So that the first thing everyone points out is Biden's tracker.

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Speaker 1: And by no mean and I justifying anything, that's just

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Speaker 1: kind of just the way I kind of look at it.

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Speaker 1: We look at his track working, and he could definitely

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Speaker 1: say he was against the black community. Eighty six mandatory

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Speaker 1: minimum sentence in eighty eight crack law and you've got

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Speaker 1: more time for cracking Code nine crime bill, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you can definitely so for him to say anything

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Speaker 1: other to me, I just you're right, I made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear. That's it. And then

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Speaker 1: to me, but I was, like I said, so the

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Speaker 1: way I'm looking at his track worker, he's quick to

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Speaker 1: look at your tracker, gain ship, it's gonna be honest

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Speaker 1: with you. But to me, it's just like can he

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Speaker 1: possibly change? Can he possibly see through a different did

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Speaker 1: being with brought for that amount of time rub off

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Speaker 1: So to me, it's just like people say the lesser

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Speaker 1: two evils, and I would agree to an extent. But

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at someone who can possibly have changed, and

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Speaker 1: if he's in office, he's going to have to prove

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Speaker 1: that he changed because we realized he realized he could

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Speaker 1: be gone after one tournament. He's able to make it,

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Speaker 1: or we're picking someone who we know who he is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even look at Joe Biden as a change agent.

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Speaker 1: I look at him as a pathway to change. And

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Speaker 1: I honestly feel like keeping the seat more old white

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Speaker 1: male leadership. That ain't the pathway to change the white

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Speaker 1: male leadership guys in this position, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: From the inception of how this country was put together.

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Speaker 1: It was built for this old white male patriarchy and

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Speaker 1: everybody else was considered secondary fourth. So I don't look

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Speaker 1: at either one of them as change ages. I definitely

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Speaker 1: don't look at Biden as a change as definitely don't

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Speaker 1: look at Trump with the change, aden, But I think

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Speaker 1: Biden is a pathway to change, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And it like you said talking about forgiving me, go

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Speaker 1: back to that because you know how they do us.

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Speaker 1: We could be on TV. That's all the stuff we're

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Speaker 1: doing right now. We got a great show, all the

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Speaker 1: stuff I'm doing in the community. As soon as I

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Speaker 1: get on seeing then the person they do is talk

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Speaker 1: about the brawl. That's right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But they want to but they wanted They don't work

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Speaker 1: like that, That's right. That's why I personally don't give

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Speaker 1: a funk about criticizing and Joe Biden, Like you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: criticize Joe Biden. You gonna ruin his chances after all that?

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Speaker 1: Like why can't I not critique him, call out his flaws,

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Speaker 1: call out his record, and still vote for him? Like

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Speaker 1: what kind of world do we live in? One posted?

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Speaker 1: Just be quiet? And that's that's literally. He's like, you're

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Speaker 1: tell athletes to shut up and dream. Like I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna shut up and vote. I'm an vote based off

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Speaker 1: my interests and I'm gonna call out the things I

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Speaker 1: And you're saying, forget this person, but you got a

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Speaker 1: you grew up with your whole life between forgating. Ain't

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Speaker 1: forgating me still knowing that to dollars everything a little

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Speaker 1: bit to the social justice movement, you know. I kind

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Speaker 1: of feel like when Kobe passed it was it's been

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Speaker 1: go before that, before life ain't been the same, feel

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Speaker 1: like it was aching the matrix. After that ship has

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Speaker 1: So we get to the pandemic, and then we get

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Speaker 1: to the George Floyd situation, which, you know, my man

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Speaker 1: What was your take from from all that? When that

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Speaker 1: think sometimes, man, we passed. We just passed trauma amongst

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Speaker 1: definitely avoid it because that ain't even that world at all.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I felt defeated cause I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: was still is the reason that the light came on,

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Speaker 1: and some people said, but then at the same time,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy that even when we when it's on your

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Speaker 1: everyone can see, you still try to deny you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was the lack of empathy. For me, it was

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Speaker 1: just the lack the empathy of watching that that that

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Speaker 1: And now you mean to tell me not one other

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Speaker 1: officer that had the empathy to be like goddamn, not

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Speaker 1: one until you've seen the other interview, I mean the

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Speaker 1: other view where they're going outside of quite all of them,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yea, what faith are we supposed to have?

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Speaker 1: Is black people in this system? Like seriously like that.

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Speaker 1: I don't can't remember a young lady neighbor when she

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Speaker 1: said they should be lucky. Black people just want equality

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Speaker 1: and not revenge. That's a very powerful statement to make.

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Speaker 1: Because it's the truth, Like, we should all just be

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Speaker 1: that's already on the ground doing things. And there's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a big name some of these big name corporations

429
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,199
Speaker 1: just sucking money away and it's not we don't have

430
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Speaker 1: no but get in touch. You should have like a

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Speaker 1: city leader in every city that you trust, or some

432
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Speaker 1: kind of liaison that tells you, like, you know that

433
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 1: group of there's really doing something for that that group,

434
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Speaker 1: but there's this, so let's allocate Let's through them three

435
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Speaker 1: millionless throw them seven, you know what I mean, to

436
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Speaker 1: really know where the money is, because until you're walking,

437
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 1: because every neighborhood is different. Houston's problems, in Atlanta's problems

438
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 1: are different than the problems in sacrament in Oakland, you

439
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you have to be in

440
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Speaker 1: tune with who's in these cities to see which programs

441
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,400
Speaker 1: best fit and best work in these cities, but there

442
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 1: needs to be transparency on where this money it is

443
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: definitely going. I thought the NBA did a great job

444
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 1: of keeping the players safe first and foremost, uh with

445
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: being in the bubble and and being tested and doing

446
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 1: a great job at that. And then you see this

447
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 1: administration reckless, masterless, calling it a hoax, making fun of whatever.

448
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: And now the president hasn't like what kind of irony?

449
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's irony. I think he

450
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,239
Speaker 1: earned it. I think I think he earned it, and

451
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: he got exactly what he deserved. Like, if you're gonna

452
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: throw your middle finger to something and act like it

453
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, that's usually the thing that points you right

454
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Speaker 1: in your face. And that's what happened with COVID. And

455
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Speaker 1: what did he say when he got the number of

456
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Speaker 1: how many people? Does it? Is? What it is? Is

457
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Speaker 1: what it is? So you can'tnot feel bad for people

458
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Speaker 1: feeling like that towards him. And I'm not I'm the

459
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Speaker 1: type of person I don't wish death on nobody. I

460
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: don't wish death on him at all. But I don't

461
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Speaker 1: even believe he really got the ship. I he would

462
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Speaker 1: have to die in order to believe that heart being

463
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Speaker 1: honest with you, because it's October. We got that whole

464
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Speaker 1: October surprise thing going on, and you saw someone tweeted

465
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Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago, this is gonna be I posted

466
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Speaker 1: at the other day that this is gonna be Trump's

467
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: October surprises. He's gonna be sick and he's gonna dominate

468
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: the headlines for two weeks on how hard he's working,

469
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Speaker 1: with these fake pictures him working and scribbling his name

470
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 1: on it, like the gimmicks are incredible, and it might

471
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Speaker 1: be a cash our plan. Right if he know that

472
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Speaker 1: he's leaving in in November, right, he know he getting

473
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Speaker 1: voted out, he might have an investment into the pharmaceutical company,

474
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: and he's out there telling people he's taking these experimental cocktails.

475
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Speaker 1: I saw the stock shoot up for something of the ring.

476
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Speaker 1: It's something I can't remember the name of the pharma company,

477
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Speaker 1: but with its shot up two percent after he told

478
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Speaker 1: everybody he took this experimental cocktail and they're from Queen's.

479
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Speaker 1: He from Queens, the people, the founders of the company.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just how I'll be thinking. He's

481
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: always had a mean hustle to me. Before this presidency

482
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Speaker 1: and before he kind of showed his head or whatever

483
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Speaker 1: hand he's had to play to get to where he's at.

484
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Speaker 1: He's always had a mean He hasn't always won, but

485
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Speaker 1: he's always been a mean, hustling business half kind of benefit.

486
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Speaker 1: He got a motive in everything he's doing. Bro. I mean,

487
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Speaker 1: it's what role would you like to see the black

488
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Speaker 1: community play um not only amongst us coming together, but

489
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Speaker 1: on the federal level and the state level of of

490
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Speaker 1: of power. We need more black people wanting to be

491
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Speaker 1: a part of that system, you know what I'm saying,

492
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Speaker 1: Because even though I think the whole system needs to

493
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Speaker 1: be overhauled everything, I think they need to start over.

494
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Speaker 1: We need to write a whole new constitution, the whole

495
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Speaker 1: new Bill of Rights, everything, because we were not at

496
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Speaker 1: that table when those things were initially written. But until

497
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Speaker 1: we can do that, we got to have people that

498
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Speaker 1: are in these positions of power, and we have to

499
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Speaker 1: empower them in order to be able to give them

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Speaker 1: the strength they need to stand up to that system.

501
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Speaker 1: Because what happens is a lot of us getting those

502
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Speaker 1: positions and we just go along to get along. You

503
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We're just trying to rock the

504
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: boat too much. It's just like, so, what's what's the

505
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: point of you being there. We don't need black faces,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, in those spaces just because I want you

507
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Speaker 1: in there because you care about our interest. So I

508
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Speaker 1: would encourage. Like when I see scar Face running for

509
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Speaker 1: political office in Houston, I like that. I want to

510
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Speaker 1: do something like that. I know you want to run

511
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Speaker 1: from man. I want to see killer might get in

512
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Speaker 1: the plotst I want to see people that I know

513
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: have our interests at heart get involved. Now, a lot

514
00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: of us might be scared because we know them bad

515
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: ground checks is crazy, you know, crazy to absolutely, So

516
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: I just want to see more of us in those

517
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Speaker 1: positions of power, and I want them to know that

518
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: we got their back and we're empowering them to really

519
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: show up as their full self. That's really the biggest thing, right,

520
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: You're right, because that's been our biggest problem. We're scared

521
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: to get behind our brother and even though we know

522
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: any going in direction, we're scared to get behind it

523
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: because we want to lead instead of just following him. Player.

524
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Speaker 1: That's our biggest problem. I always say, you can get

525
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Speaker 1: you can get way more done when you stop worrying

526
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Speaker 1: about who get the credit for right. I mean, that's

527
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Speaker 1: that's a DC Rivers thing. Be a star in your role.

528
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Speaker 1: I mean everyone has a role to play. We can

529
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Speaker 1: all we all have a role to playing together. And

530
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Speaker 1: you know who the leaders are like and I see

531
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Speaker 1: to make a mallory is my leader? If you have to,

532
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Speaker 1: you have to call yourself the leader, you're probably not

533
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Speaker 1: the leading one. That's like if you have to give

534
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Speaker 1: yourself a nickname, Nay, that's not really your nickname. You

535
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: like your nickname is I'm someone else because your so dopeing.

536
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Speaker 1: What you're doing is how you're supposed to be year leader?

537
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: How you kick these nicknames? So anyway, so how do

538
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: we get to this point? Your upbringing, your parents Jehovah Witness,

539
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: your dad was going from Jehovah to practicing Islam. Um,

540
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 1: what was that like growing up in a situation like that.

541
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you're a kid, you don't

542
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: really have no saying the matter. You know, my grandmother's

543
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: Baptist mom and Jehovah Witness. My mom said get up

544
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Speaker 1: and there's time to go to the kingdom. All this

545
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: time and go to the Kingdom hall. When my dad

546
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: gets this fellowship from the Kingdom Hall, he gets into

547
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: Islam and he hands me the autobiography of Malcolm X.

548
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: I read the Autobiography of Malcolm X. When he hands

549
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Speaker 1: me Messed to the Black Man by Alijah Mohammed, Messed

550
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: to the Black Man by Ali Mohammed. When he tells

551
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: me to sit down and you're gonna watch these speeches

552
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: from Donovan through the backhun I sit down and I

553
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: watched those speeches. It's really just about what sticks with

554
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: you as you get older than what I realized is

555
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit of all of it.

556
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Speaker 1: The stuff that jehoa witnesses taught, it's stuck with me,

557
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: you know it. Stuff for the holidays. My my, my

558
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: wife and kids love the holidays, so definitely do Christmas.

559
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: But being a Muslim Islam, like all of that stuff sticks.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't really consider myself anything, but there's a little

561
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: bit of everything, a little bit. If you gotta relearn yourself,

562
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: you gotta re teach yourself too. A lot of stuff

563
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: that I was tard as a kid, I don't believe

564
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: now because as a as a as a man, I

565
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: understand stuff differently. You know. It's a lot of stuff

566
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: was told in a point of view, but a lot

567
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: of stuff is told you as a kid to really

568
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: to put a band aid over some ship and not

569
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Speaker 1: really give you the full understanding. But as you come

570
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: adult that some of those things you don't believe you understand.

571
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: Now I heard you say I don't even know what

572
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: show was that we're just talking off air the weed.

573
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Speaker 1: Now my heart that you've learned more in this this

574
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: last six eight months than you remember learning your whole life.

575
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: Educated yourself and made the effort because I want to

576
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. You know, I ain't never

577
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Speaker 1: talked to you about going back to school and get

578
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Speaker 1: my history degree. You know, I'm in the process of

579
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: doing that because it's sparked when when brod died and

580
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: it sparks something God put me in a position out

581
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: of the next for like I always say, but it

582
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: sparked something that was supposed to happen, and my heart

583
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: is in the right place. So everything that I'm trying

584
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: to do, I want to know what I'm talking about,

585
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: being educated with about what I'm saying. I feel the

586
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: same way. I just know that I'm never gonna be

587
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: as smart as some people like you hit Michael Leric

588
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: Dyson talk You're killing Mike talk and be like, hey man,

589
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: they just got it. I just I just wanted words. Yeah.

590
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: Never understand to me. My thing is just knowing what

591
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I can't be you know. I mean,

592
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: some people are blessed to be educated and be able

593
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: to just spit that like some of these routes like

594
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: jay z is just very intelligent. They could just put

595
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: it out there. I just want to have a proper

596
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: understanding of things. And even when we go back talking

597
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: about religion, I remember when I started doing personal Bible

598
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Speaker 1: study with one of the brothers of the Kingdom. All

599
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: he kind of my mom has to do personal study

600
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Speaker 1: with me. And as I started to read the Bible

601
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: for myself, a lot of it just didn't make sense.

602
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, Adam, the first man, even the first woman,

603
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: they had Kane, they had Able. Kane kills Able and

604
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: goes off and finds a wife. The only people on

605
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: the planet. But you know what I mean, And it's

606
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: just like I remember, I remember reading Deuteronomy fourteen eight.

607
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: I Thinkonomy fourteen they said you should not touch the

608
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: flesh of a dead pig, nonetheless eat it. I remember

609
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: asking the brother about that, because we're from the South,

610
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: we love pop. He's like, well, if you pray over

611
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: the food, you know, it's cool. It's good. I'm like,

612
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: but Baba also said, don't have sex before, Max, So

613
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: if I pray over the pussy before saying he couldn't

614
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: playing that at him. He did. I never understood it's

615
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: really both. For as a teen, you got in your

616
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: fair share of trouble selling drugs, witness the shooting, got arrested,

617
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I had to go to jail, and you you sat

618
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: down for forty one days. Sharle Man had that pack. Yeah,

619
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what it was. I was in

620
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: high school getting in so much trouble, right, and like

621
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Speaker 1: my dad was my dad. My dad is a street dude,

622
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Like he comes from that. Like you know, my dad

623
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: had his bouts with alcohol and cocaine. But he also

624
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: was a guy that was good with his hands, so

625
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: he had his construction business as well, you know what

626
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean. So he had kind of like that balance.

627
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: But he knew that the lifestyle I was living. He

628
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: would always say, you're gonna end up in jail, dead, broke.

629
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Speaker 1: Sitting under the tree and that was his thing to me.

630
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: And so when I started getting in so much trouble

631
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: in school, I kicked out of tw high schools and

632
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: I kicked out of Berkley High School. And what kind

633
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: of trouble was it though? Disruption, man, I mean in class. Yeah,

634
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: you're cutting up in class, class, clown fighting, just doing

635
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: dumb ship, just dumb kidship. And so then they transferred

636
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: me to scraffildcause that's my mom went to school there.

637
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: And it's just like that was around sixteen seventeens, and

638
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: then you start dabbling into other things. You know. You

639
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: see your boys selling weeds, you see your boys selling

640
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: a little dope, and you're like, let me get into that,

641
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: you know. And then I'm just a guy who hung

642
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: around those guys for a while before I got involved.

643
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: But the first time I went to jail, one of

644
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: my homeboys shot at somebody, and you know that whole

645
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: no snitching things. So when they come to pick us up,

646
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: like all right, so everybody got hit with it was

647
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: an assault and Batty would attempt to kill charge everybody

648
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: got everybody that I think sixteen seventh thing because they

649
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: came and got me from high school and I was

650
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: either repeating tenth grade, I think eating ten grade. So

651
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: therefore I pulled me in the eleventh grade. So they

652
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: were looking at level grade class that was in the

653
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: ninth grade, the TI grade. It looks like I was repeating.

654
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Once I got the hospital was all bad. I felt

655
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: ninth grade. They went to summer school, pass went to

656
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: tenth They fell temper and when I feel at TIM,

657
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: I think my pops was like, nah, you're staying in Tim.

658
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: I FoST graduated ninety six. I graduated. Yeah, I'm just regulars. Yeah.

659
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: Jack said he checked out in like TIFH grade too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

660
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: I really checked out. I really checked You didn't graduated.

661
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: YEA graduated, but I checked out the way before that

662
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: two three years before and you were playing ball. Was

663
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: all about who. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all about who.

664
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: The teachers was cool with it though, Yeah, that was

665
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: cool with it back then. Now I ain't telling know

666
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: you they was part of the playing back then. They're

667
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: rocking with it. They want to see you making right now.

668
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: They got their own motives. What was the half that

669
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: got you going into radio? How did you know that

670
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: was your calling or did it happen you wanted it.

671
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: How did that? Honestly, Man Radio was the first thing

672
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: that I ever did in my life that felt constructive

673
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: and positive because before that, like I was running the

674
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: streets the first time. You know, when you first get

675
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: out jail, you gotta get a job, right. So I

676
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: worked industrial COO just companies like a warehouse. Got fired

677
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: from there two weeks. That I work in the Flower

678
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: Guard and I worked there for a week. That that

679
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: ship with modern day slavery. It was like me and

680
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of Mexicans out there, and I'm like, this

681
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: ain't for me. Like, so I quit that after a

682
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: week and then I don't see bother day slavery either.

683
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: That that's I hate when people compare things to slavery,

684
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: but it was, it was, it wasn't for me. Then

685
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: I worked at um clothing store called Demo in the mall,

686
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and then I did tell the marketing. So I was

687
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: the guy that would call your house and try to

688
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: sell you ten c ds for a penny. So, and

689
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: I worked at Talking About At one point my sister

690
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: fired me after two weeks. But I'm saying all that

691
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: to say I wanted to do anything exself. With being

692
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: in the street that's it. I did not want to

693
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: be in much of two weeks as a two weeks

694
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: because he was a manager to the manager she hired

695
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: me in five How much free talking about that you

696
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: get during that time? Too much? That's why that's talking

697
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: about high school with lip. But that's why. I just

698
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: wanted to do something positive. And I remember reading this

699
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: acronym for peace and it was positive energy activates constant elevation.

700
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: So I knew, as long as I'm out here doing

701
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: something positive, things that growth, things of growth, things that grow.

702
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: And then, like most dudes in the hood, I wanted

703
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: to rap. I'm clearly too short to want to play ball.

704
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: So it's just like the people who I saw on

705
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: TV that was successful that looked like me were usually

706
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: in rap or athletic. I started picking up the pen

707
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: and writing, and I remember being in this recording studio.

708
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: I met this guy named Willie will and he did

709
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: local radio as James and Charleston. I just asked him,

710
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: I said, did you get in the radio. He's like,

711
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: I went done. Then I got an internship. I'm like

712
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: it was that easy. He was like, yeah, this is Charleston,

713
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: South Carolanta. So I ain't had to be in college

714
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: and none of that. So that's what I did. I

715
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: went done there and I got an internship, and like

716
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: just being in that environment, like the radio, you know

717
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, watching artists come in and out and

718
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: being a contract and stuff. I'm like, this is what

719
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to That's it, this is what I want

720
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: to do. When did you come to New York? How

721
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: were you? Two thousand six came to me up for

722
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: the first or not the first time. I had been

723
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: to New York once before. I ain't. I didn't get

724
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: on a plane until I was like twenty one years old,

725
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: two years I don't remember when that was. I remember

726
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: I came up here because my people never so deep

727
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: records Dr Robert Evans, his son Blessed. They had a studio,

728
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean a record labor because never was so deep.

729
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: So they was up here mixing records, and um I

730
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: flew up here with them for one weekend, but then

731
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: to live up here. I came here in two thousand

732
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: and six, and that's because Wendy Williams and her husband

733
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: they were looking for a co host. I didn't even know,

734
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: and I happened to be up here with them for

735
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: a party and she invited me on her show and

736
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I was on her show for five minute and literally

737
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that night they was offering me her co hold slot.

738
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: But it was like, yeah, we can't pay you, we

739
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: can give you a place to stay. I'm like, shoot,

740
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: I'm making eight dollars an hour in Columbia, so I

741
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Carolina right now, I might as well make that move

742
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: in New York and see what happens. And that's what

743
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I did. I worked with her for a year and

744
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: a half for free. It was the best and worst

745
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: time in my life. Learned at learned a lot from

746
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: her just because she's such she's such a great radio personality,

747
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: such a great media personality. But I also learned how

748
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: not to treat people when you in that position that

749
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: they were in. You know what I'm saying. I always

750
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: say that was the best and the worst experience of

751
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: my of my life, because yeah, they were terrible to people. Yeah,

752
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You hear that, And I

753
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: wondered because I don't know and I don't like to judge,

754
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: But you hear that about Ellen and how she had

755
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: to whole do a whole to make shift with her

756
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: crew behind the scenes because people said they weren't treated right.

757
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: So it's that that that that kind of stuff used

758
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: to fly under the radar, but that's not flying no more.

759
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: And it's a good position to be and now open.

760
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: Once you call somebody like Ellen up, the only apology

761
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: has changed behavior. So now her staff probably getting car

762
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: service and can I help you? You You need some rolls,

763
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: pedals being thrown on the floor, they walk, all types

764
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: of stuff because that's the only way that she could

765
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: rectified prove it. So you had a learning experience with Wendy,

766
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: which counterpoached you a few years later into the breakfast club.

767
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: How did that whole how did you andine uh and

768
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: be come together? Well? I got fired from Wendy November

769
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. That was just because like

770
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: the economy was in the toilet, so like everybody was

771
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: getting fired like that I got. I got fired on

772
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: November second. And the reason I remember that President brock

773
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: Obama became President of elect on the limb a third,

774
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: like I fired on him a second. They fired like

775
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: thirty people. So I was cool with that, even though

776
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I had too much pride to go collect unemployment, you

777
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean? My wife was working at the time,

778
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: so she was holding it down with the bills and stuff.

779
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: And then my daughter, my first daughter, was born Junior

780
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: that year, so I was just to stay at home

781
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: that and then I got put on the radio in

782
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: Philly like around maya, two thousand and nine, and so

783
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: I worked in Philly for like eight nine months and

784
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: got fired again. And that time I went home. I

785
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: was like, man, I said, this city from me. I'm

786
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: going back to South Carolina. We all packed up, me,

787
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: my now wife, my first daughter. We went back to Cycline.

788
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: I stayed there for a year. But priorday that always

789
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: had kept in touching on Man g Spen, you know.

790
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: And g Spen was the assistant program director that Pole

791
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: one on five at the time, and he he was

792
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: the one that kind of like he had bought Envy in.

793
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: He had me on the radar, and then he was

794
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: telling the Cadillac Jack, who was another mentor mine, just

795
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: about us constantly. And so it literally meant I was

796
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: in New York for the summer once and and that

797
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: the summer old nine. I remember hitting up Span like

798
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: y'all in town. He was like, yo, come to the

799
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: station right now. So we I went to the station,

800
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and when I went to the station, he was like, yo, my, my, my, my, boss,

801
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: Cadillac Jack. He's been in here watching your videos all

802
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: morning because me and Duvall was doing the Little Duall

803
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: was doing the Hood State of the Union, which was

804
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: like a web series that we would do. We just

805
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: talk about topics, you know, this before podcast, and that's

806
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: what we were doing, and Cadillac was like, yo, man,

807
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: you know. We had this whole conversation. He actually asked

808
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: me about Wendy's husband because I had had a meeting

809
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: with him before and when these husband was with me,

810
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: and when, unbeknownst to me, when we had left the meeting,

811
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: everybody that worked in that building was like, yo, you

812
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: cannot hire Charlotte Magne when the husband is his manager.

813
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: That guy is bad news, right. So I remember him

814
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: saying to me, or is that still your managing? I

815
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: said no. He said why. I said, because when I

816
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: pray to God to take negativity out of my life,

817
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: he's not swinging at things, He's swinging at people that

818
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: of the embodiment of that negativity. And I'm like he

819
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: was like oh, And then he was like, yeah, how

820
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: long can you wait for this job, and I'm like,

821
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: for this whenever the opportunity presents herself. And then like

822
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I think we started November that year that was two

823
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: thousand and now, right, yeah, next month, next month will

824
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: be ten years or whatever they say. I don't know

825
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: what his hand, but yeah, November November be ten years.

826
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: Who was some of the most memorable interviewed you guys

827
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: from the beginning to the current. Man, That's that's such

828
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: a broad question because I really sat down in front

829
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: of people that I never thought i'd be sitting down.

830
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When you've been doing radio

831
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: twenty two years, when I sit back and I think

832
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: about when I first started. You know, I've sat down

833
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: with Senator Clinton. Hillary Clinton, sat down with I don't know,

834
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: to a farcon quite a few times. I sat down

835
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: with the Gregory you know, Angela Baskett like stuff like

836
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: that freached me out, Like I ask Angela Basket like,

837
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how everybody else feel about her, but me,

838
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I sat there with Magic Johnson, like

839
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: I get I got to ask Magic about catching like

840
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like and asking him a

841
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: question of that. I've always thought about, Like when you

842
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: first got it, did you think about every little woman

843
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: that you've been with throughout your whole like and be like, damn,

844
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: I bet you it it was the young lady Sacramento And

845
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: he was like, hell, yeah, you know. But it's just

846
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: like but it's just like those conversations. I never thought

847
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: I'd be able to ask the stuff I've always thought

848
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: about with people to them, you know what I mean.

849
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: So it's just like, man, I don't I can't sit

850
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: here and say which one is more memorable, because sitting

851
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: down with the wrench State is memorable to me, you

852
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like sitting down with me Along

853
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: is memorable to me. This is memorable, sitting down with

854
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a vice president Joe Biden, any of those ones that

855
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: go viral, Like you know what I mean, Like all

856
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: of these people mean something to me in in in

857
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: various ways. Was there a person or a time you

858
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: felt kind of like, Damn, I just interviewed song, so

859
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: like I feel like I've made it now. Was there

860
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: a time like that light came on? When did you

861
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: feel like you had made it? I still now, because

862
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, we live in such a fast paced world.

863
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: You're only as good as your last. So it's just

864
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to just sit back and be cool.

865
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: Because Hillary Clinton talked about hot sauce. It's like, now

866
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: what's next? And then literally, you know what's so crazy?

867
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: That week that that Hillary Clinton hot sauce thing was Monday,

868
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: That Friday was bird Man put some respect on Monday.

869
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: So it's just like that's the way it moves. It

870
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: moves just that fast, like Hillary be your biggest interview

871
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: on the Monday. Literally that was our biggest interview ever

872
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: on a Monday, and then Friday, No, this is really

873
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: your biggest like numbers wise, analytical, analytic wise, this is

874
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: your biggest interview ever. So it's just like, I don't know,

875
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: I don't never feel like I've I've made it. I haven't.

876
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: I haven't got to that. Only I did get to

877
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a place of worthy. I got to that place last

878
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: and symbol you know, I mean, just feeling like I'm worthy,

879
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: like not dealing with imposter syndrome, like like I'm I'm

880
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: right where I'm supposed to be because God wants me

881
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: to be here about But I never felt like, you know,

882
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: I've made it. Who are some of the people you

883
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: looked up to in this space or who have actually

884
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: mentored you in this space. Oh man, so many. I

885
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: mean from a far people like Pete Green. You know

886
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: Pete Green. It was dope. You know. There's a movie

887
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: called Talk to Me and like PD is like PD

888
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: is what I think every black radio personality should be,

889
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: you know. And he reminded me so much of me

890
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: because he didn't have no formal training, Like he was

891
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: a voice in jail, you know, like that's how he

892
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: basically got discovered and ended up getting put on the radio.

893
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: You know. So it's just like him the time Joiners

894
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: of the world, because when it comes to the business

895
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: of radio, those are the brothers that figured it out early.

896
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: You know, they figured out that ownership part of it

897
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: of it early, you know, Steve, all the Dug Banks,

898
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, Swaye, Big Boy, Andie Martinez, Wendy Williams, like

899
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: and the beauty of these are people. Some of these

900
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: people I've actually gotten a chance to get game from,

901
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, like Andie. I talked to Andree Martinez now often.

902
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: You know, Um big Boy he works at I Heeart,

903
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: Like me and him have conversation. Suaye is always giving

904
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: me games so it's just like I learned from all

905
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: of them, you know what I mean, because they all

906
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: paved the way for me to even be doing what

907
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing. You mentioned ownership, which I love. Um, you've

908
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: recently teamed up with I Heart Uh and created The

909
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: Black Effect. Can you tell us that's about? Yeah, the

910
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Black Effect podcast network. Man, it's like, um, the audio

911
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: business is booming, you know, and I've been with Breakfast

912
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: Club Continues, but I've been doing my own podcast, The

913
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Brilliant Idiots for like six years, you know, so I

914
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: had a temper cent ownership stake in a podcast network

915
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: called Loudspeaker. You know. So I've been watching, you know,

916
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: just the inner working of the podcast game from that

917
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: perspective for a long time. And then you know, when

918
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: you sit back and you start seeing Bill Simmons doing

919
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: what he's doing with the ringer, and you see what

920
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: Gimblet is doing, and you see what Anchor is doing,

921
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: you see what Barstool is doing. You sit back and

922
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: you're like, well, why there's no black network like that?

923
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you got these networks that have

924
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: black shows, but what was the network that's like majority

925
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: of black? And it's really paying attention to what's going

926
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: on in our coach and really knows the voices that

927
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: needs to be, you know, amplified. It's just like, let me,

928
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: let me build that. So that's where my mind has

929
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: been for like the past three or four years. And

930
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: I knew my contract was up in the symbol. I

931
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: think I put myself in a position to where they

932
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: would want to negotiate with me. You know, I think

933
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of that didn't calls it

934
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: black leverage, you know. So I was like, look, man,

935
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be talent like you know,

936
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: you already know I'm in this podcast space. You know,

937
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to take this somewhere, so let's figure it out,

938
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: you know. And it was with it, it was it

939
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: was not no hesitation, like literally no hesitation. So we

940
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: created this whole other company called the Black Effect Podcast Network,

941
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: a majority owner of it, you know, along with our

942
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: heart and is enabling me to use their resources and

943
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: their finances to invest in us. And I love it too, because,

944
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: like we said, with the allocation of the NBA money,

945
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: they need to be able to work with pillars in

946
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: those communities absolutely are a pillar of our community. So,

947
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: like you said, you're able to use I hearts resources

948
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: and all the amazing ship that comes with our heart

949
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: to help focus on us and help grow us. And

950
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited too, obviously having all the smoke

951
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: as a partner. Man, I'm so happy with your partners.

952
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember when they hit hit me and

953
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: they was like, Yo, we might have a chance of

954
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: partner with all the smokes. I'm like, do it. I'm like,

955
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, do it. Give them whatever they want, you

956
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and it was like saying

957
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: black leverage because y'all got know us, you know, like

958
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: they can't front on y'all. They can't tell y'all what

959
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: they think. There's a there's a market value and you

960
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: either got to meet that. And don't we know we

961
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: were We appreciate it, MANOK, Like I said, we obviously showtime,

962
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: shout out showime. So yeah, I heard and Black Effect.

963
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: We're proud to be a part of that family too.

964
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, you and I talked once a week on

965
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: just strategizing and how can That was the first thing

966
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: I told when I when I went out over there,

967
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: was like, bro, I want to help you really grow

968
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: this ship, like you know, I'm not just a talking

969
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: head on a podcast like less, Like they put someone

970
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: in control now that really has a post for our culture.

971
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: So that made me excite, like they gave me hope,

972
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: like okay, here we come, and well what I hit

973
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: him the other day? I was like, what do you

974
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: think about a black bar stool? And he's like, that's

975
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: what we're trying to that's what you just said that

976
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: you called him the black Death Simmons Simmons Deil Simmons

977
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: because to me, was about the cash out like Bill did.

978
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: I told I told Madam like, yo, that's what I see.

979
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: All the smoke eventually being he wants us to give

980
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: us a little let me tell him and I want

981
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: to see all the smoke, have all the smoke need

982
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: just it's Network where they're just rolling out those voices

983
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: in sports that are like y'all, you know what I'm saying,

984
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: Like there's it and only y'all know that, only Matt

985
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: and Steven know who those other voices are that are

986
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: like y'all, like those guys that are cut from that cloth,

987
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: absolutely like that's that's that's why this show works. It's

988
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: plenty sports guys, have gotten together and done shows. We

989
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: ain't never seen sports from a real nigger perspective, and

990
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: that's just the truth to the rep. I've also liked

991
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: that you've been for a while, Like you said, You've

992
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: had your podcast, You've dabbled the MTV reproductions. Uh, you

993
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: have the emerging Hollywood on YouTube. One thing that I

994
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: thought was really dope though, because you've we've been hearing

995
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: your growth and in your evolution as as not only

996
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: a black man but a businessman as well. But one

997
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: thing that touched me was the the the WiFi situation

998
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: that you provided was it was it in Colombia. Talk

999
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: to us about that because that ship, just like that

1000
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: was so dope. Yeah, my man, man, Stephen Benjamin. You know,

1001
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying to Steve Benjamin black Man, Columbia, South Carolina,

1002
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: that's why local politics is so important. Because I can't

1003
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and get to the president, you

1004
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I'm from South Carolina. I've

1005
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: lived in Columbia and my wife went to the University

1006
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: of South Carolina. I can pick up the phone and

1007
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: hit my man, Stephen. It's just a matter of like, Yo, Steve,

1008
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: what what does the city need right now because I

1009
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: usually do a bookbag drive every year, and I've been

1010
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: doing that for years at my hometown Amongst Corner, but

1011
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: that just didn't feel right this year. So I just

1012
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: reached out to Steve and he was like, man, that's

1013
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: so I'm so happy you hit me. And he introduced

1014
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: me to this company called ignite Cities, and basically what

1015
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: ignite Cities is doing is making sure that people have

1016
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: WiFi in these various areas, you know. And it was

1017
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: just like, Yo, this is how much it's gonna cost

1018
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: and they can make it happen. I'm like, that's easy,

1019
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: you know. So now that I did it, it got

1020
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: it gets the ball rolling on the city because now

1021
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: I said, you look kind of crazy, like man our citizens,

1022
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: I'll do us. So now the next round they gotta hand.

1023
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: So it's just like, you know, that's why I don't

1024
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: really like to talk about things like that. But I

1025
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: realized it's just like why people stunt, right, people stunting.

1026
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: They get inspired and you see somebody with a car

1027
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: that you want, you damn don't want that. You see

1028
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: somebody with a chain, I'm like I want to do

1029
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: that now, Like I said, the fact that I saw

1030
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: you do that, I was going to ask you how

1031
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: because I wanted to get to the poor like people

1032
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: don't understand, like we're in a new I mean, I

1033
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: have kids and we're on online school and that ship

1034
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: is terrible. But I couldn't imagine if my kids couldn't

1035
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: get online and get their school work done. You know

1036
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: what you said, you saw some kids trying to take

1037
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: WiFi from Taco Bell. They're sitting right next to Taco Bell. Yeah,

1038
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: it was an article I read and it was these kids.

1039
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: They was literally doing that homework. And and Stephen had

1040
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: already Steven already told me about the Avengement, So when

1041
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: he when I read that article and I and he

1042
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: told me that, man, we gotta do this asap. Right,

1043
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: Let's let's get this. I need to ye. I'm trying

1044
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: to do that in Sacramento too, so I need to

1045
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: get that in for gonna. I'm gonna talk how important

1046
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: has it been for you in your journey? Like I said,

1047
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: I just saying your praises, but how important has it

1048
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: been for you to empower the black voice not only

1049
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: in your space, but in the athletic space and the

1050
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: politics space and the community space. That's all I care about.

1051
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: Like if I was an NBA player, I would definitely

1052
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: want to lead the league and assist more than scoring points.

1053
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: Like that's all I care about. Like literally, like I've

1054
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: always regardless of what platform I was on, whether it

1055
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: was Breakfast Club, whether it was my podcast, whether it

1056
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 1: was the shows I was doing on Viacom, like uncommon sense,

1057
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: Like I always want to give everybody else an opportunity,

1058
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because I feel like that's

1059
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: how you live forever. Right, Eventually your star is gonna

1060
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: burn out. Eventually people will get tired and seeing you

1061
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: front and center all the time. So what keeps you alive?

1062
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Who you opened the door for? When I look at

1063
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: guys like jay Z, Like look at the all the

1064
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: fruit off jay Z's tree, I mean, no Rihannaa, Kanye Yeah,

1065
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: Ja Cole like another person who got fruit from a tree,

1066
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I want to be that,

1067
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Like you want to be that guy that you empowered

1068
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: space though too, you're doing it in a new space

1069
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: and music has been that They've had their struggles, don't

1070
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: get me wrong, and they've been able to do it.

1071
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: But you're in this multimedia space that has has been

1072
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: and still is dominated by a certain culture. So I

1073
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: just want to do it for the things that I

1074
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: know i'm good at. Like I'm good in the audio space,

1075
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm good in the book world, you know what I'm saying.

1076
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: So being that I'm good in those spaces, I can

1077
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: provide opportunities in those spaces. What's what's up? That's my

1078
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: interview has been going. That's probably to me, this has

1079
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: been the most smooth interview we've done. Just on being

1080
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: has been It's flawing. He even slid in a couple

1081
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: of questions. Yeah, you know, it's still in it. Um,

1082
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: we're coming to the end. That ship went by quick

1083
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: as fuck. Um. Top five hip hop albums in your

1084
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: mind before you start, Good Trouble eight songs. I'm dropping

1085
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: on George Birthday. I'm sent it to year though. Good

1086
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: Trouble Okay, who I know, you got trade on that,

1087
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: but just me on that, Okay, self pluck, that's what

1088
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: we gotta show. Top five either we can do we

1089
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: can even do albums, or we can do artists. It's

1090
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: easy for me to do artists. Let's do artists. And

1091
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: I really do have a top out of top seven.

1092
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: My top seven is jay Z number one. He probably

1093
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: he probably means the most ghost Face is my favorite

1094
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: rapper of all time, but jay Z is probably the

1095
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: most important rapper of of of all time to me,

1096
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: right then, scar Face, love Face, t I Jeez killing

1097
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: Mike in in Nas. That's that's my that's my top

1098
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: seven that I can go listen to any of the

1099
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: albums at any given time and be be content. You

1100
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: my top five seven, top five or seven? Uh, I'm

1101
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: going park jay z Face, Nah's bund By Yeah, buncle, buncle.

1102
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: We forget about Bunn only because he was part of

1103
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: a group like you name if I name groups, I'm

1104
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: putting u g K. You know what I'm saying. But

1105
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: you forget about how cold Bun is. Yeah, I got pop,

1106
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: I got big, I got Ja, I got snoop. God

1107
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: IM about to say you got a much. You listen

1108
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: to nip Bro. You gotta love I love that man.

1109
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: That that that that that legacy. That's what you call

1110
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: a stolen legacy. So fast see, I see I got listen.

1111
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: My brother always puts me on the music. So when

1112
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: I was coming to l A and two thousand nine tennis,

1113
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: like you gotta listen to Nip like he's just he's

1114
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: your funk with him. So I started listening to his

1115
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: ship and instantly fell in love. And then I came

1116
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: to the Lakers and next season, so I hit dude

1117
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: on the d M and he hit me right back

1118
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: and like, YO need to the Lakers, you know once

1119
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: you come to again. Came to a game and just

1120
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: hit it off with him. I mean, Jenny went down

1121
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: to Earth and I've seen him evolved from when he

1122
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: was riding around the little shows and I'd be falling

1123
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: them to two shows and we'd be upstairs. I've being

1124
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: with a bunch of sixties upstairs on the Lakers smoking weed.

1125
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: Like is that Matt Marsham the Lakers back there smoking

1126
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: with you know what I mean? So to be able

1127
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: to see his elevation from when I when I when

1128
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: I learned on him in O nine to what he

1129
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: left us with, like he said that was a star

1130
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: shot down early. I meant. I'm saying. With my home girl,

1131
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: Devide Brown, she was doing radio in l A on

1132
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: on Cadis. When I used to go out there. She

1133
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: used to put me on all the new rappers. So

1134
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: it was Kendrick, It was Nipsey, was Glasses Malone Bishop.

1135
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that bullets ain't got no name. I

1136
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: was like god right, but his evolution to what the

1137
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: content and which he wrapped it and he rapped about

1138
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: his evolvement to and his evolution and she was heard

1139
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: it through every project manaw Mailbox Money up until Victory Lap,

1140
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: and that was what to think about. That was his

1141
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: first album, though History Lap was his first. I mean

1142
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: he obviously he has if you know his history, he's

1143
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: got his history. But that was just his That was

1144
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: number one and it was called Victory Lap. Think about that,

1145
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: your first debut album on a major label, which ends

1146
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: up being your last album is called Victory Lab. Like

1147
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: it's almost like some foreshadows like Man, you know he said,

1148
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: they said he two generation. We gotta ask me a

1149
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: question that we getting asked our guess. So who do

1150
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: who do you think should be on our show next?

1151
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: But when you ask that question, you gotta be somebody

1152
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: that you can help us get on here. Everybody you know,

1153
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: he said, jay Z gave on all the smoke, will

1154
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: you fire? I want to see shock on him. For

1155
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: some reason, I just tapped in with Shaq shock even

1156
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: motherfucking hollywoodness. Bro, we hit you last week, you said

1157
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: he was coming, then Jack hit you and he said

1158
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: he was coming. Then you disappeared to start doing all

1159
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: these motherfucking commercials. I just talked to him last week,

1160
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: though he gave me his new number. He said us on,

1161
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: He said, soon as the playoffs over, I was about

1162
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: to be over shot. And we know you. You know

1163
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: you gotta go to all these banks and make all

1164
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: these deposits because you're getting all this money, but you know,

1165
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: just making time for us. Man. You know what, I

1166
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: don't want to see shot on here because Shaq got

1167
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: he got some real nigger. He's suppressed, oh man, But

1168
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: it's only because yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think if

1169
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: he gets around, y'all will okay. He was one of

1170
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: the craziest team. I can't wait to talk about man,

1171
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: the ship he used to do in the locker room.

1172
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: If he talks about it, it's gonna blow people away.

1173
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: That motherfucker was a seven foot two, three hundred sixty

1174
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: pound kids. Funny as that's the inside info that y'all

1175
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: have that people don't have. He was in the locker

1176
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: room with Sack, so the conversations are different. That's why

1177
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: even if you watch the show like Drink Champce with

1178
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: Nori right. The reason Nori can talk to these guys

1179
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: the way he does grow with him inside information. That's

1180
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: what they was saying with us because we've been there,

1181
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: We felt every emotion. We've been mean, So I like

1182
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: that Shack. I've dinner guests that are alive, oh Man, Um, Donna, Blelajah, Muhammed, Martin,

1183
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: Luther King Jr. Pop Nip and who my Angelo. Considering

1184
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: the climate we're in right now. One book you would

1185
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: recommend for people to read, well, for black people or

1186
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: just in general. I tell everybody, man, you've gotta if

1187
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: you've never read a Message to the Black Man Biologic Mohammed,

1188
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: that's an amazing book for every black man on this

1189
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: planet to read. You know what I mean, because there's

1190
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: so many different life lessons that we can apply to

1191
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: what's going on now, from the politics to diet to

1192
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, mental health, mindfulness, everything. It's like Honorable Algis

1193
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Mohammed was. It was eighty years ahead of everybody when

1194
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: he wrote that book. On the flip side, people who

1195
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: are trying to align with us, a book you would

1196
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: recommend for them to read or understand us honestly, to

1197
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: understand this man, I think the Autobiography of Malcolm X.

1198
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: And the reason I say the Autobiography of Malcolm xics

1199
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: because you see what happens when a black man is

1200
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: put in a certain environment, right, But you also see

1201
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: what happens when a black person has provided opportunity. Because

1202
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: I always say, the greatest book about growth and evolution

1203
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: that I've ever read in my life is the Autobiography

1204
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: of Malcolm X. Malcolm Little going to Malcolm X. And

1205
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing people don't understand about the

1206
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: Nation of Islam. They provide that opportunity for black people

1207
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: that America is not, you know what I'm saying. They

1208
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: provide those tools and those resources for black people that

1209
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: America is not. And that's how you can get a

1210
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Malcolm Little to turn into a Malcolm X. That's how

1211
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: you can get a cascious Clay to turn to a

1212
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: Mohammad Ali, you know what I mean. So it's just

1213
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: like I think that if if white people read that book,

1214
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: they would understand that black people aren't inherently evil, you

1215
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? This system put us in a

1216
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: fund up position. And in order for this system, the

1217
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: the really atone for its sins, it's got to provide

1218
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: things for us to get us out. And since we

1219
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: know that's not gonna happen, we're gonna have to do

1220
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: it ourselves. Straight up. Last question, who is your one

1221
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: figure we look up to that all lives a lot.

1222
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: That's easy for sure, definitely good question. Explain yours and

1223
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: then I'll give you jay Z jay Z for me

1224
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: because and you're so crazy. When I when I first

1225
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: listened to jay Z, I didn't. I didn't like jay

1226
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: Z only because, like you know, I come from the South.

1227
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: I was into like the gritty, grimy stuff. It was

1228
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 1: just like it was dude was talking about so much

1229
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: money and all that big willie. It was like, I

1230
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: don't wanna hear that. But the reason I look up

1231
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: to him is because it's just like watching his evolution

1232
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: from coming in the game as a rapper entrepreneur. But

1233
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: the things he used to talk about to all always

1234
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: when I say always, always showing us where he's at

1235
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: in his life. If you listen to every jay Z album,

1236
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: you could tell exactly what he was at in his life.

1237
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: He went from the player who was kicking girls out

1238
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: that sticks in the morning to now being the husband,

1239
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: family man, going to therapy. And if you've ever had

1240
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: the pleasure of just being up there Rock Nation, it's

1241
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: just like, that's what you would want your company to

1242
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: look like. It's his family and it is his long time. Yeah,

1243
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: he's really like the blueprint, you know, and the way

1244
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: he just quietly shows up for his people all the time,

1245
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: like and it's been doing it. We're just getting hipped

1246
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: to all of the things that that that he's done.

1247
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: But it's just like when I look at him, he's

1248
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: just a good representation of what I think a black

1249
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: man is. Like. You know, you you dealt the worst

1250
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,479
Speaker 1: hand you make, you make that you make the best

1251
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: of that hand. You would debt become a billionaire, but

1252
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: you take your your people with you every step of

1253
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: the way. The people that are willing to grow what

1254
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: you're doing, the one that it ain't meant for everybody,

1255
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: but the ones that are that are willing to grow

1256
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: with you and they're supposed to be there, they still

1257
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: with you. And he represents that to me. To answer

1258
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: your question, I guess I look at it different. Um,

1259
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to play as long as

1260
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: I play in the NBA. My transition into this space,

1261
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: there's people look up to, so he's one of them. Um,

1262
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith is one of them. Michael Strahan, who

1263
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: is to me the ultimate because he was to cross

1264
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: from professional athlete to sports, but then two mainstream media too,

1265
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: and that's what I really want to do. Like I

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Speaker 1: love sports, but I want to transition into like real

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Speaker 1: um life. And then Kevin Fraser, Kevin Kevin Is. Kevin's

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Speaker 1: helped me in this space. You told me one. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know I could name more, but Jack surprised me.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for my own question. Who's George? I

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Speaker 1: think the only person I look up to is my

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Speaker 1: little brother. But it's simple fact that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be that guy that day to one woman through high school,

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Speaker 1: had kids by working, one family doing everything to write,

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Speaker 1: so I got kids all over the place. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's only because you're allergic to column

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Speaker 1: So that's not really that. That's not what it was.

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Speaker 1: That's not what it was. But uh but seriously, though,

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Speaker 1: now I honestly look up to my little brother because

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Speaker 1: he's done everything the right way. Obviously he wanted my life.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to play basketball, but it didn't work out

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Speaker 1: for him. But his life and the way the man

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Speaker 1: he is and how he takes scale of our whole

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Speaker 1: family when anybody called, he there for him, that's the

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Speaker 1: that's the man. I really want to shout out to

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Speaker 1: Stamp Harley and got some twins. Jah. That's crazy you

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Speaker 1: say that about because it's it's guys that I've I'm

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Speaker 1: totally faithful to my wife. Now, I've been faithful for

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Speaker 1: four years since I told two sixty. But you've been

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Speaker 1: with her. I like it. It's a change. You gotta

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Speaker 1: start somewhere with with with Jack. That is real. It's like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: we do look up to these guys that are faithful

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Speaker 1: today women early on, you know what I'm saying, Like

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Speaker 1: I didn't had that kind of discipline because you know

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Speaker 1: how tough it is. You know how tough it is.

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Speaker 1: Like I can't fire anybody the kids because I've never

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Speaker 1: been perfect when it comes to that. That's that's how hard.

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Speaker 1: That's another good Well. I just I just think he

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Speaker 1: understood what he wanted with his life at a young age.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like being saying my grandmother

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Speaker 1: my grandfather been together for so long. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. My mom, you know, she would have just

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Speaker 1: dedicated I like to us. It's certain things that triggered

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Speaker 1: him to do things the right way. He was around me,

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Speaker 1: He's seen me doing all that stuff, He's seen women

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Speaker 1: around me. He would just so focused on doing things

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Speaker 1: the right way, and that's what I wanted, but I

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Speaker 1: was distracted by other ships. Yeah, I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: do my household the way my father and I love

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Speaker 1: my pops, you know what I'm saying. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to do my household the way I saw him

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Speaker 1: do his house. You know what I'm saying. He got

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Speaker 1: caught with his digging the dirt. He's still with the

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Speaker 1: same woman, so clearly that was meant to be right.

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Speaker 1: But my mom got divorced and then that kind of,

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Speaker 1: like to me, messed the family up, right, So I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to do that in my house. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's a wrap. Charlotte bay Man. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: They've been waiting on that man. Thank you for having me.

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