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Speaker 2: Welcome to No Buns, the podcast for the casual baseball fan.

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Speaker 2: Here on the Athletic Baseball Show Feed, I'm tas Mellis

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Speaker 2: in studio in Atlanta and joining me in studio as

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Speaker 2: always making the magic happen. It's producer JD. Hello, what's up? JD?

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Speaker 2: And my co hosts all season long, all the way

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Speaker 2: from Taiwan. It's Joel McMillan. Joel, how are you? And

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Speaker 2: what is the background you have chosen for Zoom today?

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk about basketball today tests so

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Speaker 1: I thought I would use the stadium background for the

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee Beers from the movie Basketball.

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Speaker 2: That was glorious, hilarious stuff right there this show. Getting

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Speaker 2: prepared for the show definitely made me want to go

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Speaker 2: watch Basketball. Joel, I barely remember it, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: because I watched it in bits and parts. You are

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Speaker 2: the movie connoisseur here along with j D. Of course.

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Speaker 2: Can I get a quick rating, quick synopsis, quick feel

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Speaker 2: of basketball.

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Speaker 1: I'll just give you a quick rating. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: basketball three point seven out of five. There's just some

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Speaker 1: absolutely classic parts. Those guys crack me up. I think

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Speaker 1: their comedic geniuses tray Stone and Matt Parker. I thought

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Speaker 1: this was kind of a weird movie for them to do,

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Speaker 1: but some of the jokes don't age so well. But

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Speaker 1: I mean whatever, It's still a classic movie to me.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Thank you. I appreciate that. As Joel said,

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Speaker 2: we're taking a little break from the normal podcast today.

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Speaker 2: We're combining two sports, two of my personal loves, basketball

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Speaker 2: and baseball. We'll discuss players that could play in both leagues,

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Speaker 2: some things MLB can learn from the NBA. We'll have

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Speaker 2: some basketball baseball trivia a little bit later on, but

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Speaker 2: mainly we'll be picking a few NBA rules and practices

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Speaker 2: and playing out what would happen if those were implemented

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Speaker 2: in MLB. So let's have some fun with that, Joel.

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Speaker 2: The first rule and practice MLB could incorporate here, it's

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Speaker 2: a strategic one. It's based on strategy. Position players can

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Speaker 2: re enter the game after being subbed out. How would

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Speaker 2: this work in baseball, Joel? It wouldn't be unlimited, right,

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Speaker 2: because then we'd have Otani batting every third hitter. How

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Speaker 2: would it all play out?

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Speaker 1: Right? So basically, each team would be afforded three substitutions

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Speaker 1: and they so a player could obviously enter the game

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Speaker 1: teams wanted to do that. Obviously there would be a

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Speaker 1: limited number on it. I think this would be a

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Speaker 1: very unique idea for a couple reasons. One, it obviously

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Speaker 1: would completely change the strategy and dynamic of the game.

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Speaker 1: It would put a lot of It would take less

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Speaker 1: emphasis away on matchups, which I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: baseball fans actually don't kind of like it kind of

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Speaker 1: slows down the game a bit. So I think it puts,

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Speaker 1: you know, more in an an emphasis on execution and

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Speaker 1: strategy and adding more of an element of chess to this. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there would be a limit of three tests. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about this rule?

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Speaker 2: So we're saying position player can get subbed out, Let's say,

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Speaker 2: let's say Mic Trout can get subbed out for a

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Speaker 2: or he can come back for anybody? Because that there,

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Speaker 1: Right is our test? You're already poking holes in this?

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well obviously, Well that's why the three is somewhat palatable,

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Speaker 2: because again, like if it was unlimited, that's crazy talk

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Speaker 1: Course, yeah, it would be impossible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, What do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: I think the players would basically just like the subed

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Speaker 1: not an issue. But you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's a higher risk for injury, so I don't

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Speaker 1: It's up to you, you know. I again, like as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do like the restriction, you know, within

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Speaker 2: I don't mind it. I saw this other little tweak

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Speaker 2: that sort of plays into this from our friends that reddit.

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Speaker 2: If a player is hit by pitch, he can have

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Speaker 1: Joel, No, it was just gonna say too. Also, like

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Speaker 1: I feel by having substitutions. There would be even a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and UH, correct me if I'm wrong. But speed

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Speaker 2: but watch the basketball scene behind you and notice all

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Speaker 2: let's move on to the next one. This next rule

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Speaker 2: that MLB could implement from NBA, players and managers are

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Speaker 2: ejected after two technical fouls. So is this giving a

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Speaker 2: little bit more of a leash to everyone, Joel, It's giving.

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Speaker 1: More of a leash to the players and the managers.

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Speaker 1: And I think in recent years there's been a greater

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Speaker 1: Paul's wrong. And I think that by having this, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're walking a little bit of a fine line

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Speaker 1: I think it's coming from a good place, and I

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to remedy something that's not going all

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Speaker 2: It's just really weird to see a path being given

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Speaker 2: I think I'd give it a shot. Maybe it's even

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Speaker 2: We're working through it here at all. We're Riffin, all right.

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Speaker 2: Still, how you're at it, you're still adding a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And if again, like it's only a one year

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Speaker 1: at all. I mean, maybe I'm being a homer because

431
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Speaker 1: this is my rule, but I like this. I don't know,

432
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Speaker 1: task what do you think.

433
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Speaker 2: I don't like it, Joe, I don't think you need it.

434
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: I don't think you need another team in the playoffs.

435
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: I know you're saying that there's still six teams in

436
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs because those six teams, I guess you're going

437
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: with the new rule of a three game set once

438
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 2: you get into the playoffs. But still, this is another

439
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: team that can win the championship. So they're still in

440
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: the playoffs if they do win, right, And I think,

441
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you have the problem right now where

442
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: teams aren't going for it. I think the addition to

443
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: have six teams in each league, we look up and

444
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: down the standings, we're recording this in the middle of

445
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: the season now, hardly any teams are out of it

446
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: right now, and so I don't think that's a problem.

447
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: I think if you add another game, the one in

448
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: two seeds have to wait even longer to start. And

449
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: they already wait a day after the playoffs and then

450
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Speaker 2: wait for a three game set to happen between the

451
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Speaker 2: three and six and four and five seeds, so they're

452
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Speaker 2: waiting for like five six days. I may be speaking

453
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: as an Atlanta homer, which happened in twenty twenty two,

454
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: where they waited. They waited for the Phillies, as you

455
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: just mentioned, to win their series, and then they got

456
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: hit because it was taken too long. So I don't

457
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: like that gap. Also, both teams in this instance six

458
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: versus seven, they got to use a top pitcher for

459
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: this game, right, so that kind of hurts them when

460
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: they go play the three seed in a three game

461
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: set as well. So I mean you're you're you're penalizing

462
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: the sixth seed in that way because if they were

463
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: able to go play their three game set without having

464
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: to play this single game, they could throw their their ace.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean that's that's also a factor when they get

466
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Speaker 2: to the championship series and all that, because they have

467
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: to play that three game set. So you could just say, oh,

468
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: go go get the one and two seed and get

469
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Speaker 2: a buye, but I don't know you want to. I

470
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Speaker 2: just think you're diluting it a little bit. You're adding

471
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Speaker 2: us single elimination game. You're it's totally fun, But what's

472
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: I kind of like the idea of baseball. You know,

473
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Speaker 2: six is good, six is a good number.

474
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Speaker 1: Pass, but it just sat like put a bow on

475
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Speaker 1: this one, three, five, seven perfect. You got a single

476
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Speaker 1: elimination game, a best of three, a best of five,

477
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Speaker 1: and then a best of seven. That's just smooth. I

478
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Speaker 1: don't know, I I I love the wild card game.

479
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Speaker 1: I think that's you know why I'm so kind of

480
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: passionate about this. But I get what you're saying.

481
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Speaker 2: But you know, to that point, Yeah, what about the weight,

482
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: what about the like the brave, it's.

483
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Speaker 1: An extra it's just an extra day. I don't think

484
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Speaker 1: I think I think you're putting more stock into this

485
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Speaker 1: than I am. It's just maybe one or two days.

486
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna make a big difference one

487
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Speaker 1: way or the other. But to your point about how

488
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: you're penalizing the six and seven teams, it was the

489
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Speaker 1: same thing when the when the the wild card elimination game,

490
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, teams had to adjust their rotation because they

491
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: were going to use their ace in that game as well,

492
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Speaker 1: So you know you would just have to do it

493
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Speaker 1: for one more game. I don't think that's really a

494
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: big deal. That's not a deal breaker for me in this.

495
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're veering into basketball, which I know where

496
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: we're taking the rules from. But now seven of fifteen

497
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: teams making the playoffs, even though you don't want to

498
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: call it the playoffs. That's a big number. It's a

499
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: big number. Everybody can make the playoffs. Maybe at one

500
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: point you'll have teams going the other way where they

501
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: don't have to try as hard to get into the

502
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 2: playoffs because everybody's making the playoffs. Joel, Okay, you're right,

503
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm stretching. I'm stretching. I'm reaching, I'm reaching, I'm reaching.

504
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: But uh, we got enough. We got enough teams that

505
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: can go win at all. We had the Phillies. Maybe

506
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: I'm just bitter about last year where the Braves. I

507
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: went and watched game one of that first round series.

508
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: It was a three game series. That wasn't a three

509
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: games it was the NLDS five game set. Braves had

510
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: to wait. They had to wait, they had to wait

511
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: for the Phillies to finish theirs. And yeah, it was

512
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: like a week. It was like five days. I'm exaggerating,

513
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: but still I felt like a week. And then they

514
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: came out extremely rusty. So I don't know. I mean,

515
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: that's that's my Yeah, that's my bitterness coming through. I guess,

516
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: all right, moving on another rule or process. I guess

517
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: as far as this last one goes that the MLB

518
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: that MLB can adopt from the NBA. Division winners don't

519
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: automatically get top seeds. I'm digging this one, Joel explain.

520
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: I think the NBA did a great job with this. Now, test,

521
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to help me out. When do you

522
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: know when they got rid of this? Because this wasn't

523
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: always the rule. This was something that changed, if feet,

524
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: within the last five or ten years, because before it

525
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: was every divisional winner. It was like one, two, three,

526
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: and there was some teams with an inferior record but

527
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: had a higher seed. Am I correct in that?

528
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's about a decade to go now, not

529
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: even I think about a decade ago where the rule changed.

530
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: The NBA used to have a rule where the division

531
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: winner could finish no lower than the four seed. First

532
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: it was the top three, okay, then it moved down

533
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: to the four seed, and now they've gotten rid of

534
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: that so they can just be seated anywhere.

535
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it for a couple of reasons. One,

536
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: it incentivizes winning. You know, I think that goes without saying,

537
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: but take you know, if you had that rule in

538
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: place right now, the al and the NL Central are

539
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: just weak divisions. The New York Yankees, who are last place,

540
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: would be first place in the American League Central. You're not.

541
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: I want to see the best teams in the playoffs,

542
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: as I'm sure all sports fan baseball fans want to.

543
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: So if you're just going straight seeding base on records,

544
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. And another benefit of

545
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: this is that you're gonna get You're gonna have a

546
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: higher chance or higher probability of getting more divisional series

547
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, which I think is great. You know,

548
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: I would love to see you know, Jay's Yankees, Red

549
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: Sox Yankees. Maybe not everyone would like that, but I

550
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: think divisional playoffs series are very exciting to watch. So

551
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: there's a higher probability when you're just going based on seating.

552
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, it incentivizes winning, which I think you need

553
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: to do.

554
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: I totally am with you on this. It only makes

555
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: sense with weak divisions like the AL and NL Central,

556
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: especially because of the weighted schedule. When you play your

557
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: week division more and you're still a week winner of

558
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: that division, it just, you know, it just proves that

559
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: you're not one of the top six or seventeen or

560
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: twenty teams. I don't know how many you want to

561
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: expand it to, but go ahead. What were we gonna say?

562
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Well, I just I wanted to ask your opinion, like,

563
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: have you has there been a noted change? Have you

564
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: noticed a big change in terms of the quality of

565
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs the excitement of the playoffs since they went

566
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: away from this, you know, divisional where it's just basically

567
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: straight seating. Do you feel it's a more exciting playoff

568
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: product or is there not much of a change at all?

569
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Speaker 2: I'm asking you, No, there's not much of a change

570
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: at all. But the difference is in basketball, what would

571
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: happen would be like a team that you know wins.

572
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: Let's say they win the Northwest Division and they're you know,

573
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: I only have the fifth best record in the conference.

574
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: They're not going to win the championship anyway. It's very

575
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: It's it's unlikely. In basketball, the higher seeds tend to win.

576
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: That's what happened. So in baseball, there's more likelihood of

577
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: of us you know, Cincinnati Reds or a Twins running

578
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: the table. So I think it would be smart to

579
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: give them a bit of a disadvantage and see them accordingly.

580
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: And put them on the road. Essentially, that's what we're

581
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: talking about here. A team would drop from the third

582
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: seed to you know, the fifth or sixth seed, and

583
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: usually even if you are a bad team like that'm sorry,

584
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: a bad division winner, you would still make the playoffs.

585
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: In this scenario anyways, you would probably be the sixth

586
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: best team, but you're penalized, and your penalty is you

587
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: got to go on the road and win.

588
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I could. I could be down with that.

589
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean me.

590
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: Personally, like I guess, I guess I say that. I

591
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: say that now. But the Twins, you know currently as

592
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: we look at the standings when we're recording this here

593
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: in July, would be out of it. They wouldn't make

594
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs in the AL, but the Brewers would in

595
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: the NL. Would drop from a division winning seed from

596
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: the third seed to the sixth seed.

597
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's fine. I mean, statistically speaking, I

598
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: feel like you're still going to have every division probably represented.

599
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: There might be some outliers like this year with week

600
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: Central divisions, but yeah, the best teams should be rewarded

601
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: like good teams. I feel under the current format, good

602
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: teams are still penalized and inferior teams benefit from this

603
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: most notably, like you said, the Twins, who you know,

604
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: like they're going to get home field advantage, the NL

605
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: center sort of the central winners, whether it's Minnesota or

606
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: Cleveland or whoever, and they're going to have to play

607
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: the sixth seed and all day. I will take the

608
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: sixth seed over whoever plays the AL central winner because

609
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: they're just going to get absolutely smoked. I feel, so

610
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. I would rather see

611
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: a more even matchup between two better teams. The Twins

612
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: just don't deserve it. They just don't deserve it, or

613
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: the central winner doesn't deserve it.

614
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: You say that they get absolutely smoked. But as we

615
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: just talked about with the Braves the Dodgers, one hundred

616
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: win teams can go down pretty quickly, so you never know.

617
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: So I do think if you're not going to be

618
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: a great team like in the Ales, the Twins or

619
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: the Brewers, let's say, and you have a weighted schedule

620
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: that benefits you because you're playing you know, weaker teams more,

621
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Speaker 2: I'm with you, reseat it, don't I don't see the

622
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: problem with that. Listen, Baseball has been willing to make changes.

623
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: We saw what happened with the universal designated hit or

624
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: rule took some time. They wanted to be traditional the

625
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: NL was there's the traditionalist that wanted to keep the

626
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: game pure and have hitters hit. We saw what happened

627
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 2: this year in twenty twenty three with the rule changes

628
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: to speed up the game. I think what's happening here

629
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: in this instance and this specific receding things. It's just

630
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: it's taken a little bit longer than it should. But

631
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: I think I think they'll catch up. All right, that

632
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: was a blast. Anything else on the rules or the

633
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: processes you want to talk about or should we move

634
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: on because we got some fun random questions to discuss.

635
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm good.

636
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: Let's let's move on to the next part here.

637
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are random basketball slash MLB questions that we

638
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: want to discuss. Let's do the classic. Can this guy

639
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: play this sport? We'll start with NBA players who could

640
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: play in MLB. What do you got, y'ell?

641
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I went with Zach Levine and I feel he could

642
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: make the transition from NBA to MLB. Couple reasons. I mean,

643
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: he's a very just naturally athletic guy. He played in

644
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Speaker 1: the MLB Softball Celebrity Game. I think he had a

645
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: home run too, if I'm not mistaken, he looks like

646
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: a baseball player test. I sawwhere in that Mariners jersey man,

647
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: he's just got the look he's not. You need to

648
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: be like basketball, obviously, height and size is critical to

649
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: being successful, like in most positions, not all baseball, not

650
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: so much. You need to be quicker, a bit smaller.

651
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: You know there's some bigger guys, sure, but obviously the

652
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: body frame is a bit different if you want to,

653
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, be a good baseball player. I feel Zach

654
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: Levine kind of has that body to me as well.

655
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: He's got a great sprint speed test. I looked it up.

656
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I saw a clip of him on Twitter. He had

657
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: a sprint speed of seventeen point now seventeen point nine

658
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: miles per hour. While dribbling. He could rob home runs

659
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: with that great vertical He could stick him in the outfield,

660
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: which is why I would probab probably put him. He

661
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: could be robin home runs all day. This is hard

662
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: to pick because the skill sets needed to play each sport.

663
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of crossover me obviously,

664
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: other than just natural athleticism and good hand eye coordination.

665
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: I can't really think of anything else that translates.

666
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: Could you well, as far as crossovers, zach Lavine's got one, Well,

667
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, you're you're already throwing up position.

668
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Put him in a position in the outfield. I think

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00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: I think this was great. Uh, the yeah, standard athlete

670
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: stuff translates, I think with Zack Lavine because he he

671
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: actually trained to be a baseball player when he was

672
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: a kid. You just uh brought me back during the

673
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: pandemic and when the broadcasters were looking for stuff to televise,

674
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: they had a horse competition. When they went, they went

675
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: to a fleet's homes to film, like everybody was filming separately.

676
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: So they went to zach Lavine's home in the Seattle area.

677
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 2: I believe that's it's where he's from, and I think

678
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: this was his childhood home. There was batting cages in

679
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: his childhood home that maybe it was his Maybe it's

680
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: his childhood and maybe anyways, it was his house and

681
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: they're batting cages. He trained, so that's that was his goal.

682
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: So you're you're not wrong. That's a that's an absolutely

683
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: great one. I've got a bunch of guys who could

684
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: who could cross over? I think Pat Coneton. For those

685
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: who don't know, maybe maybe you don't. He was a

686
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: draft pick of the Baltimore Orioles. He plays for the

687
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks now, but he was a fourth round pick

688
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: of the Orioles and he actually played in their minor

689
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: league system. I read, I do believe this is correct.

690
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: He took home a four hundred thousand dollars bonus, but

691
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: did not return to the sport after being drafted by

692
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: the Bucks the following year, so he could hurl and yeah,

693
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: nice job double dipping there, grabbing a four hundred k

694
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: and then moving on. I think Donovan Mitchell superstar. He

695
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: loves baseball. I think, similar to Zach Lavine, had dreams

696
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: of being a big leaguer, but he suffered a broken

697
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: list in high school. A broken list? Did I say list?

698
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: It was definitely a wrist that he suffered a fractured

699
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: risk in high school. And his dad was a minor

700
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: league player and works for the Mets, so there's a

701
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: connection there. This one is hilarious. Anthony Edwards, star player

702
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He says he can play all sports.

703
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: Now this is this is just a little anecdotal, a

704
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: little hearsay, but it's anecdotal from his mouth. So he

705
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: said he can throw one hundred miles per hour. He

706
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: had this exchange with up Rocks. I'm going to recite

707
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: you the interview. Somebody asked him, you said you could

708
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: play in the MLB right now? Do you still think

709
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: that's true? Oh? For show? What makes you say that

710
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: with such confidence? You got to give me a month

711
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: to get my arm back right. A month. I got

712
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: to get my arm back right. I was a pitcher,

713
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: but it be hurting my elbow. So once I get

714
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: my arm back right, we good. Okay, So how fast

715
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: you throw in it? If I throw right now? If

716
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: you throw right now, and I'll give you a month,

717
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Speaker 2: If you give me a month, it might be a

718
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: hunted a hundred miles prower hunted. You're lying your ass off. Nope, no, no,

719
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: I swear to god. I want to see a video

720
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Speaker 2: of you in a month after you train. Nah, I'm

721
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: not going to train for that. What would you throw

722
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Speaker 2: right now then? Ninety two or ninety three? Ninety two

723
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: right now? Yep? For show? So I don't know, Anthony

724
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Speaker 2: Edwards says he can throw. I believe we got Kevin Love,

725
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: who's the king of the outlet pass, who does knuckle

726
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: push ups, or used to do it before he broke

727
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: his I think he broke his knuckle, but I mean,

728
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: I think he can throw pretty hard. We have Tracy McGrady,

729
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: retired NBA player, but if you remember, he worked with

730
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: Roger Clemens because he's from Texas. Back in the day,

731
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: after his MLB career was done, he had MLB dreams

732
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: and he pitched for the sugar Land Skeeters of the

733
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: Atlantic League. Yeah, of the Atlantic League, way back when

734
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: this was a while. He made their opening day roster.

735
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: He didn't have a great sugar Land Skeeters career, but

736
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Speaker 2: he made their roster. In his debut, he pitched one

737
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: and two thirds innings. In July, he started the Atlantic

738
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Speaker 2: League All Star Game, sounds a little gimmicky to me,

739
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: where he recorded his first strikeout, but after the game

740
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: he retired. So there's a little hope. And Michael Jordan's

741
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: career batting average of just over two hundred in the

742
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: minors should be respected more because it's hard to hit

743
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: a baseball. So those are all my my NBA to

744
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: MLB connections. But let's go the other way. Role unless

745
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: you got another one, uh, because because that that one

746
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: was great.

747
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: Just just the one task I had to I had

748
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: to go through a lot of a lot of Google

749
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: ag a lot of reading through. I was like most

750
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: most athletic NBA player NBA player mostly I had to

751
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: do like a bunch of Google searches and then that's

752
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: how I landed on zach Lavine. So I'm just gonna

753
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: go with him.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm. See, it's interesting because like you can get by

755
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: in MLB without being a ridiculous athlete. You can, you

756
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: know you can d h Uh. So maybe we're missing

757
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 2: some guys deeper on rosters, that deeper on NBA rosters

758
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: that can just bop.

759
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know enough about the current NBA product

760
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: for me to comment further on it. Yeah, you know

761
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: better than.

762
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: Me, That's all I got. I like how you called

763
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: the current NBA product.

764
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: That's Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is a huge baseball fan. Two, Yeah,

765
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: would he I've seen I've seen I've seen him playing

766
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: catch in Manhattan Beach there in California. I think he's

767
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: a big baseball fan. I don't know.

768
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: Is he too big? Is he too big at six

769
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: eleven to be to be pulling out?

770
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well I don't know. Maybe that would be

771
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: an advantage of maybe you could be a pitcher, you know,

772
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: get that angle, you know, get that nasty slider going.

773
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're talking maybe I don't know. Yeah, we're

774
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: talking pictures for sure. H two biggest strike zone to

775
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: be a hitter. But like like jumping the other way,

776
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: Randy Johnson, you know, he could get him on the hill.

777
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: Maybe he could ball. That brings us to our next question.

778
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: Which MLB player could play in the National Basketball Association? Joel,

779
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: Now this is your expertise. You take it away because

780
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: this is a flip. I'm sure you've got a few

781
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: guys who could go to the NBA, and I'm the

782
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: one who only has one that can jump over to

783
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: the NBA. But what do you got?

784
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll test the point. I've just got one, just

785
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: got one for this one as well.

786
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: Damn it, I misremembered our conversation, mir Hours.

787
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: It's okay. But to answer this question, it starts, it

788
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: ends with my boy, Trey Turner.

789
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: He's six two and he I.

790
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: Want to put Trade Turner at point guard because the

791
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: average height for a point guard the current NBA is

792
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: between six feet and six foot three. So in terms

793
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: of hype, he kind of fills that. He's again like,

794
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Speaker 1: he's a very athletic dude, very fast, He's got a

795
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: very he's got one of the best sprint speeds. I

796
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: don't know if speed is necessarily a big advantage in basketball,

797
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: task is it. I honestly have a little idea.

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00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: Oh is it?

799
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: Okay?

800
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: Come on, you've seen a basketball game.

801
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I have, but I just never noticed like dudes who

802
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: are like super fast.

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00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: I guess it's an advantage, yeab, But he's Trade Turner

804
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: handle the ball, you bet. He's got good hands.

805
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: I feel he's got a he's got a very good

806
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: baseball IQ. Now, like, well, why would that translate to basketball?

807
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: I just think he's like that would translate to court vision.

808
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: He's an excellent base runner. He's very cerebral. I feel

809
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: like he looks at other player like he kind of

810
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: looks at things and takes advantage of mistakes that the

811
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: other team makes. I think that would be a great

812
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: quality for him to have as a point guard. So yeah,

813
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Grey Turner as a point guard. Put

814
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: him in a put him in a sixer city connect ast.

815
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: He's looking good.

816
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's he's slick with his jerseys. He's slick

817
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: with his hands. Every third show I like calling back

818
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: to an earlier show we had this season where you

819
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: said he is the slickest player in MLB. I also

820
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: misremember I misquoted you. I thought you said he's the

821
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 2: sickest player in MLB, but I was just another instance

822
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: of me saying something incorrectly. But uh, yeah, I think

823
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: he is slick with it. He's slick with his hands.

824
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: So you need speed, Joel. But you also, if you're

825
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: a point guard, you need to be able to handle

826
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: or shoot a lot at the very least. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a possibility there. You mentioned guys who

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Speaker 2: take advantage of situations. You made me think Ronald d'acunya

829
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Speaker 2: watching him when pitchers have their back turned, takes an

830
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: extra couple steps off second boom he's at third base.

831
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Speaker 2: So I wonder if Ronald lacunya could translate a ridiculous

832
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: athlete as well. You know, he sometimes watching him play

833
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: right field for the Braves likes to take his time,

834
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: like when there was Corby and Carroll's triple. You know,

835
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 2: ball ricocheg in the corner. He just took his time,

836
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: chilling to get there. Basketball players, like you know, they

837
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 2: like to change their pace and chill out at times.

838
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: So I think Acunya, he's definitely flashy, like some NBA

839
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: players could fit that bill. So you know, mentally, I think,

840
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 2: like you said, taking advantage of situations would be good.

841
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: But my guy in a similar vein would be Ellie

842
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: Dela Cruz because Elie Dela Cruz got all the tools.

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00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: He says, he is the fastest man in the world

844
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: sprint speed as you were talking about. He's got that,

845
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: He's got the height. He could, you know, be a

846
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: guard slash wing. And I also read this from Joey

847
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: Voto about his teammate Elie Dela Cruz, and that linked

848
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: this quote linked Ellie to basketball, and I can't unlink him.

849
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: Joey Votto said, Ellie Dela Cruz is Vince Carter, and

850
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: that really hit hit me at home, being from Toronto

851
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: growing up and really really really falling in love with basketball.

852
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: When Vince Carter came to the Raptors. Joey Voto is

853
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: basically saying, like Ellie de la Cruz is he's just

854
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: another He's just a phenomenon. Is a different type of

855
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: baseball player, like Vince Carter was a different type of

856
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: basketball player that is so ridiculously athletic, could play any sport.

857
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 2: I think you could flip Vince into a baseball player.

858
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: Ellie could be flipped into a basketball player. So I'm

859
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: buying that joke. I think he's got all. He's got

860
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: every tool he's he's I'm sure he can dunk. I'm

861
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 2: like ninety nine percent sure he can dunk because he's

862
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: he can fly. I don't know if he's ever picked

863
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: up a basketball, but he's there. And just to continue

864
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: on with Joey Vado and his basketball lingo, he said,

865
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: in basketball, they call it a make or miss league.

866
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: It's like bat or bench here in baseball. Joey Botto,

867
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: big basketball fan, It sure seems like I like it.

868
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: And he grew up in Toronto. We're similar ages. So

869
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: he was taken away by Vince Carter's athleticism, just like

870
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: he's taken away by Elie dela Cruz. And he's being

871
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: a great teammate with Ellie Dela Cruz is he understands

872
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: that the next generation is here and he's kind of

873
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: moving out of the way for Ellie and the next

874
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: generation of all those young Reds coming up. Moving on

875
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: to this final question before we get to some trivia, Joel,

876
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: what is something MLB can learn from the NBA.

877
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple things. One of the things

878
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: that NBA has done for a long time, and I

879
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: feel of all the four major sports leagues in North America,

880
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: they've done this the best is they were very good

881
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: at getting out in front of utilizing and harnessing social

882
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: media and the sports media just to market their product

883
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: and to market their sport and to connect with fans,

884
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: but specifically young fans. I remember when Vine rip Vine,

885
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: miss it, love it. But NB utilize that extremely well

886
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: and I feel that was a big part of their

887
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: success and connecting with younger fans. NBA, I feel, has

888
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: always been the young cool sport. Even like as a

889
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: baseball fan, I'm like, oh man, NBA players are so cool.

890
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: They're stylish, they showcase their personalities, they're very funny, they're outgoing,

891
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: and I really really like that Baseball it's getting much, much,

892
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: much better, but they need to take more cues from

893
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: the NBA in terms of just how to you know,

894
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: showcase their game and utilize social media for the longest

895
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: time task you know, even really not that long ago,

896
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: like five six years ago, you would go on social media,

897
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: you would go on YouTube and you would type in

898
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: baseball just some key search words, and like nothing would

899
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: come up, or it would just be a bunch of

900
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: like old talking heads about just generic talking points, and

901
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, okay, that's that's all right. Once in

902
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: a while, there's still a bit of that, but it's

903
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,479
Speaker 1: like you didn't really see that in the NBA. You've

904
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: got the NBA on TNT, I forget, but you've got

905
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: Ernie and Shaq and Charles and Kenny. They've got a

906
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: great chemistry. It just always feel like it's constantly being

907
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: marketed towards younger people. But you build those grassroot fans,

908
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: those guys grow up, they're connected to the game. You've

909
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: got lifelong fans. MLB clearly has an older fan base,

910
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: although I saw an article recently the average age has

911
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: dropped by several years. I feel that's encouraging. So they've

912
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: done a great job utilizing social media and media. And

913
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: the other thing too task is they're able just to

914
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: market their stars very well. Now, I want to ask

915
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: you a question. I don't know if this is an

916
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: elephant in the room with baseball, but a lot of

917
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: even though both are very international leagues, the players who

918
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: come over and play in the NBA their media savvy

919
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: and their command of the English language is very good. Now,

920
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: I say that because a lot of the stars, a

921
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: lot of the exciting, amazing players in baseball just simply

922
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: don't speak English well or they choose not to. And

923
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm not being critical of that, But I'm

924
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: talking about like I can connect with Michael Jordan, I

925
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: can connect with Lebron, I can even connect with some

926
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: international players because I understand what they're saying. They're able

927
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: to kind of convey their thoughts. Baseball is not like that.

928
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: Do you think test a language barrier is part of

929
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: this in terms of connectivity and marketing their stars. I'm

930
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: curious to see what you think.

931
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think, okay, all your primary

932
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: part of your argument there with social media just highlighting stars,

933
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: the personalities and all that can be done without even

934
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: speaking the language. For instance, shoheo tani, the superstar doesn't

935
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: doesn't have to say a thing. He says it all

936
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: with his body language. And let's jump jump over to

937
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 2: Nicola Jokic with the Denver Nuggets. He speaks English very well,

938
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 2: but he doesn't doesn't like doing it, doesn't do allow

939
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: of me to going to Denver and and seeing him

940
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals, you know, he just wanted to

941
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: get off the mic as soon as possible, but number

942
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: one winning solves everything. But also, I mean he's he's

943
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: just his style of play I think transcends any sort

944
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: of language barrier. He's he also you know, he speaks

945
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: sort of quietly and sometimes it's a little difficult to understand.

946
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: But like guys like we just mentioned, Elie de la

947
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: Cruz is a damn superstar. I mean he's taken over

948
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 2: the No Bunks part of the Athletic Baseball Show YouTube

949
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: channel because like everything he does is amplify and is

950
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 2: is fantastic, and he speaks through a translator. I don't

951
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: really think that's a problem with social media. You can

952
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: get these guys on camera. You can get Ellie on camera.

953
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: He's smiling. I mean, he does say if something's in English,

954
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: like he said, I'm the fastest man in the world.

955
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: When he wants to say things in English, he does.

956
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 2: But with social media, put the camera on them. Producers,

957
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: the the the the people who control or who run

958
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: the social media accounts with each team just just has

959
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: to get them on camera. And I think that's what

960
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: you said at the beginning, that is the issue. Although

961
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: it's gotten gotten way better and it's got me back

962
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: into the game, frankly, part of part of it, you know,

963
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: I loved baseball a long time ago, and and part

964
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: of it the attraction and why, as you said, the

965
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: average age is getting younger is just because they're showcasing

966
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: it better in terms of in terms of production, in

967
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: terms of the game, and and through social media. So yeah,

968
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the language, Barry. I don't think

969
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: that's a problem.

970
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: But when I like sports, professional sports is driven by superstars,

971
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like test, I agree with everything you said,

972
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: but what I'm talking about like beyond their respective sport.

973
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Jordan, Lebron, James, Steph Curry, these guys

974
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: are huge stars obviously on the court, but they're in commercials,

975
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: they're in movies. They've got a lot of things that

976
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, increases their visibility outside of the sport, like

977
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: their household names. You and I like, we like baseball,

978
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: so we know who Ellie Dela Cruz is, we know

979
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: who Otani is, But like, outside of baseball, do you

980
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: think a lot I mean Otani maybe, but do you

981
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of people know who Mike Trout is?

982
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of people know who Ellie

983
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Dela Cruz is, who Ronald Decunya Junior is? Absolutely not

984
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 1: like their stars in their respective sports, And like, Okay,

985
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: that's fine, but to me, like I'm talking beyond that, endorsements, movies,

986
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: more awareness. Baseball doesn't have that right now. They don't

987
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: have the guy with the talent that matches the personality

988
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: like Trout. They got the talent, they didn't have the personality. Otani,

989
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: They've got the talent, his personality. You know, you decide

990
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Harper has the personality. He's talented, but he's not the

991
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: best player. Like Lebron for the longest time had the

992
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: talent and the personality, and I think that was huge

993
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: Jordan talent, personality. Baseball just hasn't had that guy, Griffy.

994
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the guy who I can think off off

995
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: the top of my head. Can you think of anyone?

996
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think when you throw out the names like

997
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: Acunya and Dela Cruz and Trout, well, it's too early,

998
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: I think for Dela Cruz to be throwing that light.

999
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm with you on Shre, I'm with you on the

1000
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Acuna because he does an interesting case study, because he's

1001
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: got the personality and he's got the game, and he's

1002
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: starting to do it more on a regular basis. I mean,

1003
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 2: the injuries slowed him down. Uh So, I think that's

1004
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: a fair one to question. Trout didn't have the personality

1005
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: and wasn't part of like his his great years. I

1006
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: didn't think coincide. They didn't coincide with MLB doing a

1007
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: better job of showcasing their their players. I think, yeah,

1008
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: he's a yeah, he's a victim of that. I think

1009
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: show though, really when you're when you're going when you're

1010
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: talking about faces of the game, and we had this

1011
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: conversation plenty when I was in Denver for the NBA

1012
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: Finals about Nikola Jokic and whether or not he could

1013
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: be the face of the NBA really the difference between

1014
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: Jokich and Otani, even though Otani speaks through a translator

1015
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: and Jokic sayes not. It's just a willingness to do

1016
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: commercials and all that and be fed a few lines

1017
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: and be willing to also be on social media. Jokic

1018
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: was not Otani. I think has the ability to transcend

1019
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: and to get into homes of everybody around the world,

1020
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: because I think he's willing to do it. You could

1021
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm not, if I'm wrong, but I

1022
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: think he's willing to be in commercials and that that's

1023
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: really the step I think. I mean, he's got the

1024
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: talent and he just has to be willing to put

1025
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: a McDonald's hamburger in his hand and then and then

1026
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: he's there, and then he can be Jordan, and then

1027
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: he can be Curry and and so the and Lebron

1028
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: those are yeah, those listen. It's it's also just part

1029
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: of the NBA machine that that does it oh so

1030
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: well and so hm. I think MLB is is learning

1031
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: from from NBA.

1032
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, don't don't disagree with any of that.

1033
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: I just I like I I'm a passionate baseball fan.

1034
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: I just want there to be that guy because baseball

1035
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: has lost so much ground and popularity over the last

1036
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five years. Baseball used to be used to

1037
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: see baseball highlights on ESPN all the time it was covered.

1038
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: There was much more buzz about it. And it's just

1039
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: in the last like I said, yeah, twenty twenty five years,

1040
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: it's just lost so much ground. It's starting to get

1041
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: some of that back. But I feel it would come

1042
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: back with a superstar. You know, who's playing in October.

1043
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: Who's got the charism, who's got the talent. Maybe language

1044
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily a big issue, and like you said, you

1045
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: can stick them in a commercial. There's ways, you know,

1046
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: from creating a commercial to add elements of humor and

1047
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: just feed him a couple of lines. I get it.

1048
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: So there's ways around that. But I hope otani's that guy.

1049
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: I think he is, but it remains to be seen

1050
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: at this point.

1051
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you're comparing Jordan Lebron and I throw

1052
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: Curry into that mix, the late Kobe Bryant as well.

1053
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: I think though those those were basically four guys when

1054
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: we're talking about basketball that where the faces of the league.

1055
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: But I mean that that that's a long period of

1056
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: time where there was only four faces. So that's a

1057
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: long long period of time. They don't come about frequently,

1058
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at. And so yeah, there's there's

1059
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: been a few faces of the league, but that's there's

1060
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: only one at a time, And so yeah, the Lebron

1061
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: and Curry have kind of shared it. Before that there

1062
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: was probably there was Kobe and then it was a

1063
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: while before that that it was Jordan. And so all

1064
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: that to say is it can't be a Kuna Trout

1065
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: and Dela Cruz and Otani at the same time. It

1066
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: only it can only be one, and I think we're

1067
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: we're veering into the Otani territory. He just really it

1068
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: just has to be him wanting to do commercials and

1069
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: wanting to do some media, and he seems willing to

1070
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: do media, even though he speaks through a translator. It

1071
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: really it's just it's visibility. It's he obviously has the talent. Uh,

1072
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: it's it's just willingness to sell some stuff and to

1073
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: be seen, yeah by different people who just don't watch

1074
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: baseball because they're seeing him in ads or whatever. But uh, yeah,

1075
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: I think I think he has the best shot of

1076
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: any and I think he's different than a a Nikola

1077
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: Jokic that we just talked about in the NBA because

1078
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: he's not willing to sell anything, while yeah, Watani could

1079
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: and and somebody like Trout who didn't win or hasn't won.

1080
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's that's I mean, we haven't seen

1081
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: him make highlights in October. So that's also another part

1082
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: of it, which, yeah, you got to go out and win,

1083
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: so I get Griffy is yeah, the latest one, but

1084
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: he also didn't win either, so there's Yeah, there's a

1085
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: bunch of factors, I guess is what we're getting at.

1086
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,959
Speaker 1: I've just got one more quick question for your test,

1087
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: just purely anecdotal. Do you think the average American sports

1088
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: fan can truly connect and say like he's the guy,

1089
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: but it's not an American.

1090
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a problem. And I can

1091
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: only speak for the NBA. No, there hasn't been one

1092
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: quite yet, but yeah, I said that to Koombo could

1093
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: be that guy, and you know he does. He speaks

1094
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: English and does all his interviews in English, but he's

1095
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: a non American. I don't think that's a problem. Okay,

1096
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: I think it can transcend today's global game. The international

1097
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: game of baseball is I don't think it's a problem, okay,

1098
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: And I think if there's something that the NBA can

1099
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: learn from MLB is the international game. We saw the

1100
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic, how great it was. I think if

1101
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: there's a way for NBA to somehow make uniform rules

1102
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: with international play and potentially with women's play, to sort

1103
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 2: of just make a uniform across the board, that would

1104
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: really help. Because we go see World Baseball Classic, all

1105
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: the rules are the same obviously, you know, you don't

1106
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: even have to think about it, but in international play,

1107
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: the size of the courts different, the three point line

1108
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 2: is different, there's rules about playing above the rim, that

1109
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: you can tap a ball off the rim in international play.

1110
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 2: The game duration is different. It's shorter in international play.

1111
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: So I think that would be something that the NBA

1112
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: should somehow do. Now, they obviously get into a tournament

1113
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: and they figure it out. You know, they play by

1114
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: international rules, but I think it would help the international

1115
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: tournaments if everybody played by the same rules. That's one

1116
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: thing that watching the World Baseball Classic was phenomenal, and

1117
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: so that's I think that's a small part of it.

1118
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 2: But do you have an answer for whether or not

1119
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: somebody a non American can be the face of baseball?

1120
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: Hard for me because I'm not an American. I'm not there.

1121
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: But it's just a hyperactive sports market there. They're just

1122
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: so many sports stars there. But at TEST, I don't know.

1123
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't think it's a question of

1124
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: like nationalism. I don't want it to be something negative.

1125
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I just feel that, like Otani

1126
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: connects with Japanese people because obviously it's Japanese and he's

1127
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: a star, people gravitate towards their own people. I just

1128
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: think that's just a natural thing. Obviously, Americas where the

1129
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: best come to play, so you know, you're kind of

1130
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: spoiled in that way. But just for the average American fan,

1131
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, TEST. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker,

1132
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: but I think they're just going to naturally gravitate towards

1133
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: American players, for better, for worse, and for whatever their

1134
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: own reasons are. I don't think it's they're like, oh,

1135
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't like international players, I want to like I

1136
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's anything like that. I just think it's

1137
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: a natural thing.

1138
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: We're a melting pot, Joel. Everybody, everybody can be an American.

1139
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: They're allowed. And there's enough fans. There's enough fans to

1140
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,959
Speaker 2: be fans of everything. Sitting here with my man JD,

1141
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: who's a fan of pickleball, there can be a pickleball stars.

1142
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: There are YouTube stars of you know, every stripe. So yeah,

1143
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't think it's yeah, I don't think. I don't

1144
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: think the non American part I don't think is an issue.

1145
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 2: But anyway, let's move on because I want to get quizzed.

1146
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: I want to get stumped. Joel, You've got NBA MLB trivia.

1147
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're giving us, but let's get

1148
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: to it.

1149
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: Okay, five questions task. Who is the only player to

1150
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: win a World Series and NBA title?

1151
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, this one's supposed to be easy. Yeah.

1152
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this guy before and he did

1153
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: it a long time ago, but he won. Okay, he

1154
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: won a World Series with the Milwaukee Braves and then

1155
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: three consecutive titles with the Boston Celtics from nineteen fifty

1156
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: nine to nineteen sixty one.

1157
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: Uh Sam Jones, No, Jane Conley. H the Conley Years.

1158
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: Bring about Nope.

1159
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Uh, one with the Braves and then no, no.

1160
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. He's the only guy to do that. Okay,

1161
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: I think you'll fare a bit better than the second one.

1162
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: Here task a little little bit of a Canadian connection.

1163
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: Two players have played in the NBA and for the

1164
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays. Who are they.

1165
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: Danny Ainge, Of course that's one.

1166
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: That's one.

1167
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: Now. I know of somebody who played in the NBA

1168
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: was drafted by the Blue Jays, but I don't know

1169
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 2: if he ever played. Scott Burrell No, no, okay, so yeah,

1170
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: Scott Burrell's won a championship with Jordan. Was drafted by

1171
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays but decided to play basketball. So this

1172
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: guy played in the NBA and played for the Jas.

1173
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: This couple played for a couple of teams in MLB,

1174
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: but he played for the Jays.

1175
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: What year are we talking?

1176
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh? He came to the JS system in the late

1177
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: nineties and he pitched for a few years in the

1178
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: early two thousands. He was a pitcher man.

1179
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: Not yeah, I don't know. I should I know this Mark?

1180
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't know Mark Hendricks and whoa I mean.

1181
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: I remember the name, but I don't remember his story.

1182
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: I don't think, yeah, he's he was draft. I don't

1183
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: know which NBA team. He started out in the NBA,

1184
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: and he played a couple of seasons and then he

1185
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: was basically playing baseball in the off season and then

1186
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: just ended up making the switch over to MLBING. He

1187
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: that's actually where he played most of his professional athletic career. Wow,

1188
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: bounce stround to a couple of teams.

1189
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yeah, six nine power forward in basketball. Yeah,

1190
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: I had a few years in the late nineties, but yeah,

1191
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: not not a ton of work in the NBA. Scored

1192
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty one points. Mark Hendrickson, I remember

1193
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 2: the name. But okay, all right, that great questions, Joel,

1194
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: These are great.

1195
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to get Danny Age. I'm like,

1196
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: I have his card to give me.

1197
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: I have his baseball card as a Blue Jay. Now,

1198
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: Scott Burrell, I think a lot of people don't know

1199
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: he was drafted by the Jays, as I hesitate when

1200
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: I say that, but yeah, I think I think that's

1201
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 2: I think that's true. And then he got yelled at

1202
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: by Michael Jordan and won a championship.

1203
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: Okay, question number three tastes don't get any easier, oh boy.

1204
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: On September twenty fourth, nineteen seventy two, the first outdoor

1205
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: NBA game was played. It was a preseason game between

1206
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks and the Phoenix Suns, and it was

1207
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: played at a baseball stadium. Test name the city it

1208
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: was played in.

1209
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 2: We're playing outdoor base or outward basketball.

1210
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy two exhibition game between the Bucks and the Suns,

1211
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: and it was played at a baseball stadium.

1212
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: What a question.

1213
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: It's not in the United States, but it's not far

1214
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: from the United States. Bit of a hint.

1215
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: It's played in It was playing in a baseball stadium.

1216
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: That's correct, not far from the United States. Okay, so

1217
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: we're showcasing the game in the nearby country of Puerto Rico.

1218
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: You are so warm, tass, put on oven mits. You're close.

1219
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: What's the city?

1220
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What? Oh? So you want the

1221
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 2: city in Puerto Rico? Yeah, I said the city, Oh,

1222
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 2: San Juan, that's right? Ah, right, Sorry, I thought you

1223
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 2: asked for a country. All right, Wow, I was wild.

1224
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: Hear him. I'm probably gonna butcher this name here, m

1225
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: bethorn by Thorne Stadium. I'm totally butchering that name. But anyway, Yeah,

1226
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: it was the first outdoor NBA game played, and several

1227
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: have been played outdoors since at Indian Wells. Indian Am

1228
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: I saying that right? Yeah? Okay, yeah, so several outdoor

1229
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: games have been played since then, but that was the

1230
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: first one.

1231
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: Wow. I don't know how I guess. Puerto Rico. I

1232
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: think I think I saw you. You're maybe tipping your

1233
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: hand and pursing your lips there so I could see it.

1234
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: But good eyes. The last, last two, last two, I

1235
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: think you got a good shot. Test. What was the

1236
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: name of the double A team Michael Jordan played for?

1237
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh, it's A it's local. I'm here in Atlanta, Georgia.

1238
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:33,520
Speaker 2: I recently went to Birmingham, Alabama. The Birmingham Barons.

1239
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: Nailed it. Nailed it, Birmingham Barons. Okay, all right, test?

1240
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: And last one, since we're talking about basketball in the movie,

1241
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: what was the name of the championship trophy in basketball?

1242
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 2: JD?

1243
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: Feel free to join in. I don't know if you

1244
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: watched it.

1245
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. I've never seen it. Yeah, okay,

1246
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: but it's a championship trophy. Let's let's uh, let's work.

1247
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: Name the championship trophy they were playing for.

1248
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: Does it have a cup in it?

1249
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: It does have a cup. It does have a cup.

1250
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: Is there an animal? Is an animal part of this? No?

1251
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: It was named after like in the movie the Trey

1252
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: Stone and Matt Parker, like the there's an older guy

1253
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: who takes a shining dip and he's the one that

1254
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: funds the league and they named the they name it

1255
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,520
Speaker 1: after his surname. So the cup.

1256
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 2: The Snyder Cup, Good guess the Denslow Cup. Never the

1257
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: old I don't know how I didn't get that.

1258
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I wanted to make him. I

1259
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: wanted to make him a bit obscure, challenging, not too challenging.

1260
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 2: I know that was a lot of fun. You we

1261
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: we we got a watch that. Maybe we'll do an

1262
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: off season film session. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got me

1263
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: wanting to watch that, all right? Great stop, Joel, you

1264
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 2: always kill with the trivia, Mark Hendrickson, Gene Conley. Those

1265
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: will be names. Yeah, I'll be pretty cool.

1266
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: Claim to fame. Only do you like? Do you think

1267
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: in our lifetime we'll ever see anything like that again?

1268
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: Do you think a guy win an NBA and MLB title.

1269
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's a good question. That's tough that the crossovers

1270
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: it's so few and far between. Probably not, but now

1271
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 2: these days, when it's so specialized, you come out. Uh nah,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a tough one. That's a real tough one.

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Speaker 2: I guess not. Uh maybe Austin Ange. I think Danny

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Speaker 2: Aingel's son. I think he's a he's a he plays.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, he's basketball coach. He's old now he's forty. Uh,

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Speaker 2: forget it, forget I said anything. All right, that was fun,

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Speaker 2: great stuff, Joel, great stuff, JD. We'll be back next Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you subscribe wherever you get your pods. The

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Speaker 2: Athletic Baseball Show feed is where you can find no

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Speaker 2: Bunts every Wednesday. And you can find no Buns streaming

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Speaker 2: live every Wednesday on the Athletic Baseball Show YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Check out some shorter VIDs there as well, and our

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Speaker 2: Instagram page. A lot of great stuff there, no underscore

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Speaker 2: buns for JD. For Joel. We'll see you next time.