Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up. Welcome inside thees WBC Mortgage studio.
Speaker 1: This is Talking Cowboys on a Wednesday. Rob Phillips in studio,
Speaker 1: hosting for Bill Jones, who's doing his TV thing just
Speaker 1: down the hall, Kent Garrison producing next door. I'm joined
Speaker 1: as always by Brian brought us and eventually Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 1: might pop his head in here and join us. Do
Speaker 1: his job. He's doing his radio job right radio, right now,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be too critical of that. But he's
Speaker 1: got this podcast job coming up here in a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes. Yeah. And uh, like I said, cowboys back
Speaker 1: to practice on a short week, probably good. That is
Speaker 1: just absolutely it's good. Let's go play football. Put this
Speaker 1: thing to bed, don't view this tape from Tennessee quickly,
Speaker 1: get it behind him and try to move on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the head coach, he even talked about that, you know,
Speaker 1: you look at some of the positive things that they
Speaker 1: had happened in the game, talk about those, kind of
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the some of the other
Speaker 1: things that didn't go as well as it needed to
Speaker 1: clean that up, and yeah, it's a short week, quit
Speaker 1: quick turnaround. The good thing about it, though, is that
Speaker 1: you do have a little bit extra time because it
Speaker 1: is a night game, so you know the next week
Speaker 1: after that is going to be the real trick where
Speaker 1: you get back off a plane and then turn around
Speaker 1: and have to get ready for a basically a noon
Speaker 1: game against Atlanta the following week. So this is where
Speaker 1: they gave you all that time off. This is where
Speaker 1: it all starts to shrink and compress, you know, and
Speaker 1: the games start to become fast and furious, and you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully you're ready to handle that. Garrett was talking about
Speaker 1: it was more of a mental thing that it was
Speaker 1: physical with his team. So let's see if that's in
Speaker 1: fact the case. You're right. Monday or Sunday night football
Speaker 1: at Philadelphia one of two matchups in the division, key
Speaker 1: matchups obviously with the Cowboys two games back. You can
Speaker 1: join us. By the way, eight five five to two
Speaker 1: ninety seven is the number over the next hour. Mickey Spagnola, welcome,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna join you. How are you They make you
Speaker 1: pay for a bye, don't they Well, in this case
Speaker 1: they do, yeah, in this case they try. They try.
Speaker 1: You know, I was wondering, did any team and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry this is off the track, but they give you
Speaker 1: also the option of, if you play in London, not
Speaker 1: to take the bye right after, to go ahead and
Speaker 1: play the following week and then have a bye during
Speaker 1: another portion of the of the season. Has anybody done
Speaker 1: that this year? Tennessee? One year, I think the Colts
Speaker 1: talked about doing I think it was a Colt that
Speaker 1: did it. But anyway, but yeah, these buys they give
Speaker 1: you time off and then they say, okay, well now
Speaker 1: you're going to be part of the rotation, like they
Speaker 1: penalized you. Well, I don't know about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had an extra day after the buye they
Speaker 1: had a Monday night game, so it was almost it
Speaker 1: wasn't like two buys, but I mean they had another weekend.
Speaker 1: But now they're off. But now they're making you play
Speaker 1: on the road on a short week at night and
Speaker 1: then on the road again on an early week on
Speaker 1: an early week and then you play Thanksgiving and you
Speaker 1: didn't get that time off after Thanksgiving and got to
Speaker 1: play the next Thursday before you get your ten days Thanksgivings.
Speaker 1: Part of the deal. We know that. And they do
Speaker 1: have a noon kickoff the Sunday before Thanksgiving, but it's
Speaker 1: on the road. It's on the road, but it's not
Speaker 1: Didn't they have a night game at Philly? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they got they got beat bad on Thanksgiving, right yau.
Speaker 1: Clearly time and travel lost Monday by time you got
Speaker 1: back and you basically had Tuesday and Wednesdays a walkthrough
Speaker 1: and okay, let's go play. This is just like them
Speaker 1: to go win this game against Philly, though you know, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, I mean, if you look at it, look,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's been bad at home again. They lost two games
Speaker 1: in a row, lost to Minnesota, and I watched that
Speaker 1: Carolina game. They're up seventeen and nothing. Imagine the Cowboys
Speaker 1: being up seventeen nothing and losing a game in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of the way they did. I'm sure philadelph
Speaker 1: their fans are pretty rugged too, but thinking they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, they'd be asking a fire to coach
Speaker 1: I mean, what's their best win Jacksonville before the bye?
Speaker 1: Their best win beating Jacksonville is no big deal. Their
Speaker 1: best win I would say season opener against Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they lost. Yeah, we didn't know what really what Atlanta
Speaker 1: was then and we still don't really blew out the
Speaker 1: Giants on the road. The Giants then their backup quarterback
Speaker 1: played on the first two weeks the season. I mean
Speaker 1: they were on the same course the Cowboys were lose
Speaker 1: win one lose, one win, one lose win, then they won.
Speaker 1: They lost two in a row, and then won this
Speaker 1: this last week coming off the bye. Yeah, we'll see
Speaker 1: how they respond to that. Um. I mean they struggled
Speaker 1: with jack Xonville, didn't they. Yeah, initially they I thought
Speaker 1: that game was a little bit in control. The game
Speaker 1: that was amazing me was Carolina. How they let that
Speaker 1: one get out of their hands. You know, Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: you watched the fourth quarter of that game, You're thinking, like,
Speaker 1: where's the pass rush and where's their past defense, you know,
Speaker 1: and the and they you know with Carolina, and I
Speaker 1: was encouraged by some of the things. Usually when you
Speaker 1: play Philadelphia, you don't think about running the football, but
Speaker 1: their back was able to hit some players on the outside,
Speaker 1: you know, able to bounce the ball a little bit,
Speaker 1: get around the edge. I mean that's you know, you
Speaker 1: think with Philadelphia that you're amalily not going to be
Speaker 1: able to run the football because of Fletcher Cox and
Speaker 1: what they had with Helodi Nada. Now if Fletcher Cox
Speaker 1: is still a great player, don't get me wrong about that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, there were some things that
Speaker 1: did give me some hope, you know, And there's some
Speaker 1: things offensively that gave me some hope. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you that coming out of You're full on tape review. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was encouraged by I was encouraged by the way
Speaker 1: this is an office of line with Jason Peters now playing,
Speaker 1: you know, and the way this is a big line
Speaker 1: and the being i mean big, big in size, and
Speaker 1: they don't move all that well. So if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: what's your strength your offense, your defensive line's ability to move,
Speaker 1: your ability to to twist, to move the front. You know,
Speaker 1: I see the Cowboys having some advantage against this Philadelphia
Speaker 1: offensive line when it comes to rushing the passer. Now,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to prove that you can, you know,
Speaker 1: Corey Clement and Smallwood and Adams. You know, they're gonna
Speaker 1: run three backs at you. But you got to be
Speaker 1: ready for that. And you know, if you if you
Speaker 1: can kind of handle that. And you know, I still
Speaker 1: have my thoughts about Carson Wentz. You know, there's some
Speaker 1: throw he made a couple of throws in a Jacksonville
Speaker 1: game and I'm thinking, okay, what are you doing? You know,
Speaker 1: pressure in the middle, he just tries to climb the pocket,
Speaker 1: throws an interception, you know, Jalen Ramsey and the end
Speaker 1: his end zone. Still working his way back and his
Speaker 1: way back. But you know, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: sugarcoat things here, but there's things you're watching the tape
Speaker 1: that you say, Okay, well, it's not like watching the
Speaker 1: Rams or the Saints or these Kansas City that where
Speaker 1: the offense is just kind of humming along, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're like, now they've made a big addition going
Speaker 1: out and getting golden taps. Huge, that's gonna be that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a that's gonna be a good gid for them.
Speaker 1: But all Sean Jeffrey's difficult. But you know, Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: has been a little erotic throwing the football. My guess is,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys didn't lay an egg against Tennessee going
Speaker 1: into this game on Sunday, there would be some people
Speaker 1: picking the Cowboys to go on the road and beat Philadelphia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they haven't been Philadelphia. Yeah. But the Cowboys, certainly,
Speaker 1: the way they played in this last game, it's like
Speaker 1: they give you a little hope. Yeah. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just you worry about all of a sudden, where did
Speaker 1: this third down stuff crop up? From? Where did the
Speaker 1: third down lack of You know, for seven weeks you've
Speaker 1: been really good and past defense, if you want to say,
Speaker 1: and you know, not giving up big plays or giving
Speaker 1: up third downs opponents worth thirty nine percent converting third downs,
Speaker 1: that's really good. Yeah, it's it's it's it's yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's solid. It's one of the that's that's that's where.
Speaker 1: That's where. Now you're saying, okay, we're now you're you're
Speaker 1: you're looking at this team and you're driving along the
Speaker 1: highway and you've had a flat tire, and you think
Speaker 1: you fix the flat tire, receiver, and then you think
Speaker 1: you fix something else, and then and then oh wait,
Speaker 1: well something the alternative lights on. Now you know where
Speaker 1: did that come from? Well, do you think you just
Speaker 1: had a bad day at the dice table, rolling your
Speaker 1: third down calls like fake got you? Or did you
Speaker 1: just play really bad? I think they played really bad.
Speaker 1: I think they played bad. Garrett said this, and the
Speaker 1: mirror in the walk up basically said that with a
Speaker 1: woozy just wasn't aggressive enough. Want them to be more aggressive,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I think that I think that
Speaker 1: says them. You talk about you know, heck that we've
Speaker 1: been complaining about not getting turnovers. They get turnovers, you know,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I think they just
Speaker 1: got war down. I think that. I think I think
Speaker 1: that I think that fifteen play drive nine minutes took
Speaker 1: a lot out of this defense, you know, in later part,
Speaker 1: louder part of that game. I just think they got
Speaker 1: caught on a bunch of calls like they had plays
Speaker 1: the Cowboys weren't ready to defend ye that the past
Speaker 1: got in the middle at the pass down the middle,
Speaker 1: the backbreaker, and they're playing their cover Tampa two with
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee dropping underneath. And that's a tough one to
Speaker 1: play if your safeties don't come up soon enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got decent drop and I heard somebody say, well
Speaker 1: he didn't drop fire. Well, he's running with a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: What you want to do is get underneath and make
Speaker 1: him throw it high enough so by time the ball
Speaker 1: gets there, the safeties are there. That's a word pass.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty pass though. I mean that was
Speaker 1: I still can't believe not number one the guy caught it,
Speaker 1: and number two he hung onto it. Third and long
Speaker 1: and there on that play. Yeah, on that one Mariota
Speaker 1: with the RPO. Was that pack of a third and long.
Speaker 1: They made some great play calls. The shovel passed. I
Speaker 1: know that was a second down play. That kid DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence thought he read the play perfect. Crush the guy
Speaker 1: and you know, I think you have to give Tennessee
Speaker 1: some credit. I do, um, But yeah, I converting eleven
Speaker 1: of fourteen third downs for a defense that's been pretty
Speaker 1: good getting off the field and a lot of third
Speaker 1: and longs is unusual. It's rare. You feel like the
Speaker 1: offense played the same and the defense just had a
Speaker 1: bad day. Yeah, that's gotta like some I think it
Speaker 1: was a road type performance from this offense. And I
Speaker 1: think Terrence Smith played better, though I will say that
Speaker 1: I thought he did too. That gives me encouragement going forward.
Speaker 1: This offensive line played pretty well as a group for
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, Collins was okay. You know the sacked
Speaker 1: over there, he lined up badly. If he knows the
Speaker 1: running backs gonna chip when he gave up that sack,
Speaker 1: then don't set to the out side, set to the inside.
Speaker 1: Kind of look surprised. I think he was surprised that
Speaker 1: he was getting help, that he got help. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: if you watch it from the end zone, Mickey, it's
Speaker 1: very clear that he's going to he's lunging to punch
Speaker 1: to get and all of a sudden and he's got
Speaker 1: Zeke punching the guy and now his hands he's off balance,
Speaker 1: he's over extended, and he's too far and when the
Speaker 1: rusher then comes inside because he's too far to the outside,
Speaker 1: it was like he was surprised that Zeke ze helped out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Zeke kind of chipped him into position to get around
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So Yeah, there's there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that happened, but we feel like that the the you
Speaker 1: feel like the offense played basically the same, didn't you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know what, they were coming down field to
Speaker 1: tie the game. If the defense had played regularly, right,
Speaker 1: they had their fourteen points. Okay, can we score a touchdown?
Speaker 1: Can I kick a field goal? Just like the other
Speaker 1: games they lost real closely. Yeah, except that when you're
Speaker 1: gifted of a twenty eight yard field goal miss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I was expecting them to fire back, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was hoping sometime. And the problem was
Speaker 1: you missed a thirty eight yard field goal, and you
Speaker 1: missed scoring points on first and goal at the four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you do what you're supposed to do, they would
Speaker 1: have scored thirty one points. Right. Well, we haven't. We've
Speaker 1: seen it only one time. Yeah. Well, but but they
Speaker 1: were on their way. Its just and then my trust
Speaker 1: factor is really low right now with the offense, it's low.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not I'm just you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out ways, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Philadelphia. I'm thinking, Okay, how can they block this,
Speaker 1: how can they do this, how can they comp you know.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that they went and got the receiver.
Speaker 1: I think he can be a difference maker. I just
Speaker 1: hope they can do enough with him. But you gotta
Speaker 1: get Beasley going. I mean, he that game. You know,
Speaker 1: Mickey and I are talking about this at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, your fourth quarter, you're getting
Speaker 1: you know, he needs to be in there early going.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I just don't understand. I just
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I call it low hanging
Speaker 1: fruit with the coach and all that. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's a side of me. There's a side of me, Mickey.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna hate me for saying this. There's
Speaker 1: a side of me for that. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett start calling the plays. I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: opposed to that. I just I just I just think
Speaker 1: there needs to be something different with the direction of
Speaker 1: the offense. You know, I think there needs to be
Speaker 1: a different thought process. Maybe he could, maybe he could
Speaker 1: scheme his way out of this. You know, maybe he
Speaker 1: could say, Okay, if I'm doing this, I think he's
Speaker 1: doing a nice I shouldn't say nice. He's doing a
Speaker 1: respectful thing to allow Scott to continue to call the plays.
Speaker 1: But how do you know he's not in the headset
Speaker 1: over rulings. I just wish he had the play sheet
Speaker 1: in his hand. That's all I ask. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: make the change with the offensive line coach and add
Speaker 1: a receiver, the last thing you can do, the last
Speaker 1: thing you could do now is change the play caller.
Speaker 1: And I would be okay with Jason Garrett taking over
Speaker 1: the play calling, much like he did when he came
Speaker 1: the interim head coach. You know, let him you know,
Speaker 1: the team was five and three. Heck, you get on
Speaker 1: a five and three run right now, you'd be lated
Speaker 1: or sort of Well, was he not there in New
Speaker 1: York when that happened? When they took the play calling
Speaker 1: away from was it Sean Payton? Yeah? That was that
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was that was Jim Fossil. Fossil did
Speaker 1: that and took it over. We're going to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and they did, and they did when they Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they did. Jason was asked about this, would you
Speaker 1: consider at some point taking the play calling from Scotland
Speaker 1: a hand? And I think you left it open. He said,
Speaker 1: right now, Scott's gonna call the play. Sure. A lot
Speaker 1: of people took that as a qualifier. Did you guys
Speaker 1: take that as a qualifier somewhat. Yeah. I took it
Speaker 1: as we're going to go ahead and do it, you know,
Speaker 1: go ahead and do I don't want this, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the season right now, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Tennessee the game that that game gut punched me.
Speaker 1: That's a gut punch game right there, you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, four and four going to fill knicks,
Speaker 1: you know, figure out a way to win it, Philly,
Speaker 1: figure out a way to win it Atlanta. Okay, then
Speaker 1: take our chances with Washington, you know, a Thanksgiving Day
Speaker 1: and that, you know, try and figure out a way
Speaker 1: to kind of stay afloat here. But now you're you've
Speaker 1: just you've lost a game to a team you should
Speaker 1: have beaten, and you're you're you know, you've well, you've
Speaker 1: lost a couple of games of teams you should have been.
Speaker 1: I think you should have beaten Houston. I think you
Speaker 1: should have beaten Washington. I think you should have beaten Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So now we're in the situation we're in right now,
Speaker 1: got three should have got three? Shouldoves? You know, And
Speaker 1: I'm if you're gonna change the like I said, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna change the offensive line coach and get a
Speaker 1: new a new weapon, Jason Garrett, you started calling the plays.
Speaker 1: You know what the Tennessee game reminded me of. It
Speaker 1: was this step dog. You know what was this year's
Speaker 1: Rams game where you look back to last year and
Speaker 1: we said this game is gonna come back and hand them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this loss gonna come back and hot, Well, look at
Speaker 1: the schedule on paper. Are they gonna play a worse
Speaker 1: team in the next five weeks. They're not. They're not.
Speaker 1: But they're at home too, an opportunity to and again,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it is you come,
Speaker 1: you have a week off, you get juice from a
Speaker 1: new wide receiver coming in right, a new voice in
Speaker 1: the offensive line room, which I think is going to
Speaker 1: make a difference. I do. I do believe that it's
Speaker 1: going to make a difference. And I'm Alari Cooper clearly.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not too late. It's already comfortable. Yes,
Speaker 1: But could Colombo come in and play tack guard? Now?
Speaker 1: Rob's gonna get to that. I have a feeling of
Speaker 1: the day. No, he can't. And that's and that's another issue. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to detract you, but yeah, they're in
Speaker 1: a spot. Now what they've they've got there. That's a
Speaker 1: team that's won three games in a row. So they're
Speaker 1: due to lose, but probably not if they lose this week.
Speaker 1: This week, so yeah, and two road games coming up
Speaker 1: where you haven't played as well for whatever reason, I've
Speaker 1: played well at all. It's a huge miss opportunity this
Speaker 1: last game. And it's maybe it is good that it's
Speaker 1: a short week because you have to move on. And
Speaker 1: now you're facing the division champs who nobody Bowl champs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: super Bowl champs. Nobody's gonna give you a chance to
Speaker 1: win this game. Nobody's gonna pick you to win this game.
Speaker 1: So you know, Ius, you're not giving them any reason
Speaker 1: to right, Yeah, we could four on the road, Mickey said,
Speaker 1: and I said in our post game show, you went
Speaker 1: out and laid an egg. You went out and laid
Speaker 1: an egg. You played poorly against a team you should
Speaker 1: have beaten. You know, we all had that as a
Speaker 1: We all had that as a w moving forward and now,
Speaker 1: okay forward four. Let's go take our chances with the
Speaker 1: next three opponents. Let's see how this thing works out.
Speaker 1: But that didn't That didn't happen. It didn't happen. No,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's the problem. And that's why the
Speaker 1: last the last yeah, I hope it's I'm not saying
Speaker 1: something wrong. The last bullet that I would I would
Speaker 1: fire would be Jason Garrett now taking over the play calling.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. That would be my that
Speaker 1: would be my final move to try and fix things. Offensive.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you guys that go ahead, mix.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, the next two teams they
Speaker 1: they're playing right now are four and four right right?
Speaker 1: And none of us are really fired up about Washington.
Speaker 1: I think that Washington can. I think Washington can clearly
Speaker 1: come back to the phil Washington game. The toughest game
Speaker 1: they've got coming up is New Orleans. Sure, but you
Speaker 1: know Washington to be a matchup. Do what now? You
Speaker 1: don't think this trip is going to be tough. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But they haven't played consistently, No, they haven't.
Speaker 1: They have the quarterback for a couple of assistently. Washington
Speaker 1: is what they are. I think New Orleans and then
Speaker 1: what's after New Orleans? If Philadelphia again? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think our that's at home. I think our tone
Speaker 1: will be really different if they lose these next two games.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think our tone will be really I
Speaker 1: think the tone will be, you know, And and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see how they're gonna play. I really,
Speaker 1: because I am I have no clue about this team.
Speaker 1: I have no no clue. But you know what, that's
Speaker 1: kind of how we started the season. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: hate that feeling, Mickey. I know, I'm getting here Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and I don't know how these guys are gonna play.
Speaker 1: And that was exactly how we started the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't know. Some uncertainty on the offers of line,
Speaker 1: total uncertainty. We thought, more uncertainty at certain positions. I
Speaker 1: don't think we thought there was uncertainty at that wide receiver.
Speaker 1: There was uncertainty at tight end. You didn't know at
Speaker 1: that point what vander esh would be. You didn't know
Speaker 1: if Jalen Smith really was a different guy. We didn't
Speaker 1: know if Byron Jones was going to make that switch
Speaker 1: from safety to cornerback successfully. Dude didn't know about the
Speaker 1: safety position. I mean, think about the stuff we didn't
Speaker 1: know about. And now here we are, what seven games in,
Speaker 1: and we're still sitting there going, well, I'm just not sure.
Speaker 1: We got a mail back question kind of along that
Speaker 1: topic this morning. Where should we be surprised at this
Speaker 1: situation because it's a young team and they've been trying
Speaker 1: to retool spots. They're young on defense, they definitely retooled
Speaker 1: their skill positions on offense. I think our expectations days now.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why I'm pissed off, because I
Speaker 1: see what you shouldn't be mad, No, I'm mad. Well,
Speaker 1: why I'm mad because I'm looking at this division. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Philadelphia four and four, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: Washington five and three. Well, I'm looking at I'm looking
Speaker 1: at even with all the things, the littany of things
Speaker 1: you just went through, Mickey, and you're absolutely right, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to reign on your parade here. But I'm
Speaker 1: mad because I'm looking at this division. I'm mad that
Speaker 1: you pissed away some games that you probably should have won.
Speaker 1: And that's where I was going is this division is
Speaker 1: still up for grabs, whether fans want to kick it
Speaker 1: down to the next year or not. Right now, there's
Speaker 1: eight games left and they've still got an opportunity. Now
Speaker 1: it's probably got to be the division now. And that's
Speaker 1: where there's no question that has to be the division.
Speaker 1: That's where the opportunity's wasted because you look at Carolina,
Speaker 1: who has a win over you. They're six and two.
Speaker 1: They're a team nobody wants to play right now. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna make something out of the season, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna salvage this thing, it's got to be making up
Speaker 1: ground on Washington, and that starts with having to win
Speaker 1: this game Sunday night. Yeah. I mean, I'm not disagreeing
Speaker 1: with you guys, but I'm just saying, there's it's not
Speaker 1: our job to be mad. You know. I told the
Speaker 1: guys on the fan, they're going over and over and over.
Speaker 1: I said, what did you think this team was going
Speaker 1: to be when they started the season, and Sean Sean
Speaker 1: said seven and nine. I said, well, you were right,
Speaker 1: because they're right on they has to go seven and nine.
Speaker 1: So why are you mad? They are what you thought
Speaker 1: you they were. Okay, I'm just saying, and I appreciate
Speaker 1: what you just said, Mackey, but I'm mad because I
Speaker 1: think this divisions for the taking. And maybe maybe you're
Speaker 1: nine and seven, ten and six, you know, may you
Speaker 1: know I thought nine and seven initially, But if you
Speaker 1: could have won one or two more game, maybe you're
Speaker 1: ten and six. Maybe that's good enough to win the division.
Speaker 1: You know. But see, if you get mad, then it
Speaker 1: distorts how you analyze things. We don't need to be mad.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I could. We could be wrong, but I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be mad. Are you never mad?
Speaker 1: Not at how they play? You've done this for thirty years?
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Speaker 1: I hear you. I'm not a fan. Yeah, the fans
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Speaker 1: I can scream and yell at the fans, but us,
Speaker 1: are you guys? Yeah? Because I disagree, But that's okay.
Speaker 1: But I don't get mad. You know. The first question
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Speaker 1: get the phone lines. K who we got up first
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys today. We got Matthew in Iowa. What's up, Matthew? Hey, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: good morning. Thank you for taking my phone call. You
Speaker 1: got it. There's a lot of doom and gloom right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I kind of realized this weekend. You know,
Speaker 1: football's a lot more than just winning and losing. I'm
Speaker 1: a season ticket holder. I try to get down about
Speaker 1: two or three times a year, and I finally got
Speaker 1: to bring my dad down this weekend since I got
Speaker 1: season tickets to the nine. My mom had been sick
Speaker 1: and he hadn't been able to get out of the
Speaker 1: house and go with me, so and it was just
Speaker 1: a beautiful moon the opening stadium up. We just had
Speaker 1: a wonderful time. Um, it's just nice and yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, as I was there, um, and and listen
Speaker 1: to postgame shows afterwards, everybody keeps saying, um, we if
Speaker 1: we put the right parts in here, we can win
Speaker 1: some games with Dak. And I just if that's the
Speaker 1: way we're talking, I feel like we're talking mediocracy. I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I expected a little more glory. And you, honestly,
Speaker 1: the season ticket holder in a lot of time and
Speaker 1: money and and and I'd like to see I'd like
Speaker 1: to see some more glory. And if Dak is just
Speaker 1: a quarterback that is going to win some games, that's
Speaker 1: not good enough for the Dallas Cowboys. We need a
Speaker 1: quarterback that can get us to NFC championship games, that
Speaker 1: can win US division titles, that can win US Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: We is this where on our ship needs to you know,
Speaker 1: raise the bar again. Yeah, but it's you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're talking about something that also and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you had a good time with your dad at
Speaker 1: the game. By the way, Yeah, thank you. I'll let
Speaker 1: you guys talk about Thanks you're also you're you know,
Speaker 1: my experience of being in the front office, we all
Speaker 1: want the better quarterback. The Super Bowls, the division you know,
Speaker 1: games on we all want that. It's not as easy
Speaker 1: as just you know, going out there and I find anyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, you felt like you had a guy when
Speaker 1: he after his rookie year. I can if one fan
Speaker 1: would have told and I'm sure there's the Romo fans
Speaker 1: out there that said, oh, this is still a bad move.
Speaker 1: This is a bad move. You should have stuck with Romo.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I mean, this is a constant journey,
Speaker 1: is a constant journey, you know. And I think the
Speaker 1: evaluation of Dak Prescott, let's see where it ends up,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean people are out there saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, he can't do this, he can't do He's
Speaker 1: not We talked about this all the time. He's not perfect.
Speaker 1: You've even said this, rob When he gets help around him,
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good quarterback. He can win games. He's
Speaker 1: capable bull of doing things. I think that goes for
Speaker 1: But that's the quarterbacks in this league. Ye that's exactly right,
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And there's no guarantee. You know, think
Speaker 1: of the struggles right now in Jacksonville with Blake Bortles.
Speaker 1: Think about that, you know, think about it. Took it
Speaker 1: took a It took a coaching change in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: to get that quarterback playing well. He was the number
Speaker 1: one overall. Yeah. Yeah, Carson Wentz was two. They didn't
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl with Carson Wentz. I mean they
Speaker 1: won it with a with a backup quarterback that's coaching
Speaker 1: right there, coaching tremendous defense, guys making plays around him.
Speaker 1: They made a move for running running back to help
Speaker 1: their running game. I think it's unfortunate that everybody's putting
Speaker 1: the blame on Prescott here, but you know it's that's
Speaker 1: that goes with the territory. But you don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: Every every guy John Dorsey when he traded for Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 1: you know, he's sitting there thinking, he's telling Clark Hunt, Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give up a bunch of picks to go
Speaker 1: get this guy. What do you think? Are you sure
Speaker 1: you want to do this? You sure you want to
Speaker 1: trade all these guys away? And I'm sure, And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna can the quarterback. Yeah, we've had some you sure
Speaker 1: you Yeah, a guy that has a great track record
Speaker 1: is a winner and you want to get rid of him,
Speaker 1: and that takes guts, but it also it also takes
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of luck for things like that to
Speaker 1: work out. You know, hey, I'm sure that that you
Speaker 1: know we all want the next trode et mean to
Speaker 1: come walking through that door. Yeah, trust me, I sat
Speaker 1: there and got my ass kicked by him for a
Speaker 1: bunch of years. You know, we're lucky we got Brett
Speaker 1: Farve when we're in Green Bay, made a trade and
Speaker 1: he hadn't done anything. You know, this quarterback, say take
Speaker 1: a lot of the blame. They take a lot of
Speaker 1: the blame, But I think you guys are always right.
Speaker 1: They think, you know, they went out and try to
Speaker 1: get him some help. And maybe this is a situation
Speaker 1: where if they make some more changes, we'll see a
Speaker 1: different quarterback. But I'm let this thing ride because I
Speaker 1: remember sitting in here when we didn't have for three years,
Speaker 1: didn't even have a quarterback. I would have I would
Speaker 1: have done anything for Dak Prescott to come walking through
Speaker 1: that door. And honestly, not a former baseball player. Oh,
Speaker 1: we had too many damn baseball players, a couple of them.
Speaker 1: General manager of the Yankees telling us about this guy
Speaker 1: as a player. I'm sitting here going are we listening
Speaker 1: to this? Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, hell Quincy was baseball another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a shame, it was. It was pathetic what
Speaker 1: we did. And Mike, you're largely a historian of this franchise.
Speaker 1: You've been covering this team a long time. Brian's been
Speaker 1: around the team in a front office role. He's a
Speaker 1: long time And I say this in an affectionate way
Speaker 1: to the fan base. Cowboys fans are a little spoiled
Speaker 1: with their quarterback history here. They just are. No one,
Speaker 1: no one has a history the way that Cowboys had
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks and with things falling in their lap. You know,
Speaker 1: they had to do a lot of back room movering
Speaker 1: to get done. Meredith, by the way, right, because they did.
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't. The NFL didn't want him to
Speaker 1: go play for the Dallas Texans. Yeah, and so they
Speaker 1: so you know, they got a trade with the Bears
Speaker 1: to get that, to get Meredith the ability to sign him,
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Hollis. Yeah, and then you take a
Speaker 1: tenth round flyer on Roger Staubach and he's gonna miss
Speaker 1: four years, five years, and then he turns out to
Speaker 1: be Roger Staubach. And then you have Danny White, who
Speaker 1: you drafted, but he was going to go play uh
Speaker 1: in the USFL world ahead of myself. And then he
Speaker 1: comes in and he takes over. And then a year
Speaker 1: after you need a quarterback, you have the worst record
Speaker 1: in the league thanks to the Packers winning their final
Speaker 1: game of the season, and Troy Aikman just happens to
Speaker 1: be sitting there, are you. Tony Romo was a gift
Speaker 1: from God. Yeah, we were gonna cut Tony Rome with
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter didn't fill the drug tests, he's not here. Well,
Speaker 1: just getting him in here. It took Bill parselves and saying,
Speaker 1: Jim Hess hat him, Garrett, A lot of guys don't
Speaker 1: go to Denver. Yeah, there's opportunity here, right, and we're
Speaker 1: not going to pay you more than Denver. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got an opportunity here. And just the fact that it
Speaker 1: worked out. And let's not forget what Dak Prescott is
Speaker 1: doing and has done as a fourth round draft pick.
Speaker 1: That's a success. That's a big success. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: it's in the two early two thousands when we were
Speaker 1: wandering around the desert without anything. I used that line
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, we were. We were terrible. We evaluate
Speaker 1: were terrible evaluating quarterbacks. It was it was like it
Speaker 1: was like the America song Horse with no first part
Speaker 1: of the journey. Yeah, that was us. It was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were plants and birds. Yeah, we were wandered in
Speaker 1: the desert. We were. So what you're saying though about
Speaker 1: this position right now, asks the guy, sounds like Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy for a while. We'll see, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see the evaluation there. But but to me to
Speaker 1: sit there and put all the blame on him, I
Speaker 1: think is wrong. And I'm I and I trust me.
Speaker 1: I want him to play better. I want him to
Speaker 1: anticipate throws. I don't want him to take sacks. I
Speaker 1: want him to protect the football. I want him to
Speaker 1: do all those things. People out there right now are saying, well,
Speaker 1: damn brought us with all that. He shouldn't be the quarterback.
Speaker 1: What's the alternative? I'm gonna use Mickey's line, what's your alternative?
Speaker 1: Right now? What is your alternative? Sam Bradford. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about him. Yeah, there you go. That's a fifty
Speaker 1: million dollar mistake. How'd you like to be sitting there,
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, you know, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Can I keep going? I mean, is that it Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: That's guys you can count on the third round pick
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. By the way, John Snyder and John Snyder
Speaker 1: gave ten million dollars to another guy before afted Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and that, and they gave him three or four
Speaker 1: years to develop with a defense that held everything at
Speaker 1: day right, and you hope you had that, and then
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of got it now. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's their hope for Dak is. Look,
Speaker 1: more time in the system, more time, and eventually he's
Speaker 1: gonna get it now obviously, and then I might be
Speaker 1: way wrong of sitting or arguing it, but you know
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking of alternatives. The alternative rob is going
Speaker 1: to have to be go draft somebody in the first round.
Speaker 1: But there's no guarantee of that, no, and you probably
Speaker 1: need to be terrible to get in a position to
Speaker 1: even try to do that. So it's I agree with
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's not easy to do. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: just it's not a snap of your finger thing. I'm
Speaker 1: mentioned those other quarterbacks that's on one hand, guys that
Speaker 1: are franchise type guys. And what's the package record right
Speaker 1: now with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he doesn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of help around him. And look at look at their record. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are they record? They three five and one, three four,
Speaker 1: three four and one. Yeah, Barris went in that division, right,
Speaker 1: Barris division with a quarterback. They picked what third overall?
Speaker 1: Trubisky second overall. There's a ton of intercept and everybody
Speaker 1: said they took him too high and they've had to
Speaker 1: be bad for a while to get in that position. Look,
Speaker 1: he just needs to relax. He's trying too hard. There
Speaker 1: are plays that he can't make and he's still trying
Speaker 1: too hard. Just sit back, relax and better turned. And
Speaker 1: he says he's turned the noise off. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's turned the noise off. No, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're gonna get sacked. Get sacked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know when when when a guy's in your face
Speaker 1: and you're at the six yard line, don't throw one
Speaker 1: up for grabs, put it in the first row of
Speaker 1: the stands. Well, what did he say about the last
Speaker 1: half of twenty seventeen. I tried to do too much?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think he was in this last game
Speaker 1: as well, trying to force it to a new wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Get him involved. You can't outplay your offensive line. That's
Speaker 1: that's a problem right now. That's something that we weren't
Speaker 1: talking about very much. Let's um, let's take a phone
Speaker 1: call real quick, and then we'll touch on the old line.
Speaker 1: We come back after this break. Danny in Hawaii. Welcome
Speaker 1: to talking Cowboys. What's up? Man? Hey, how you guys doing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm still here. You're still here? Yeah, I leave I
Speaker 1: at leave today. Oh welcome to our time zone. Yeah
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. This is easier for you than calling
Speaker 1: it four in the morning. Huh yeah, it's much easier.
Speaker 1: Danny was with us on Saturday. Oh nice, wet you
Speaker 1: on the field on y Yes, I saw you. Whereabouts?
Speaker 1: And WHOI are you from? What's that? Where in Hawaii
Speaker 1: are you from? Koye got you? That's the most beautiful,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the best one. Yeah, Yeah, thank you. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I hear you guys talking about adapting, and
Speaker 1: I was like, sometimes I think Rob, I think you
Speaker 1: brought it up a couple he said that let Dak
Speaker 1: do Dak things. You know, like, you know, he seems
Speaker 1: like he's better flow in the game when he's running
Speaker 1: that read option. I'm not a big fan of that
Speaker 1: read option, but that's what Dak does pretty well, and
Speaker 1: he seems to get more confident while doing that, and
Speaker 1: you know that and and it also helps out Zeke
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, because it gives the defense
Speaker 1: something to think about, and then also you know, like
Speaker 1: bringing the linebackers up, holding them in their spot, giving
Speaker 1: giving the wide receivers there's a tick extra time to
Speaker 1: um to get open. And then also the offensive line
Speaker 1: you know, like you see the defensive line hesitating. But
Speaker 1: like I said, it's always you know, that just seems
Speaker 1: more confident when he's running that. There seem not a
Speaker 1: read option, there's not have to be a mainstay, but
Speaker 1: just enough of it. I think it's it's great for him,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know that is the fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, and you know he had a real successful season.
Speaker 1: But you know, like so people think that he's perfect
Speaker 1: and now like, oh he's I'm up there with Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: That is not that's not the case and not that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but I do, I do support that, and
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, I hope we can turn this around. Um.
Speaker 1: I glad to see you guys again. Ye see you
Speaker 1: guys again. Absolutely great seeing you, Danny and finally meeting you.
Speaker 1: And he makes a lot of sense. Play play to
Speaker 1: his strengths, do things that can help him feel comfortable
Speaker 1: back there. I'm willing to I'm willing to play this
Speaker 1: thing out with him, I really am. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to play out his contract with him, you know.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, if it's good enough,
Speaker 1: then Jerry Jones will will sign him. If it's not,
Speaker 1: then the front office will have to make a decision.
Speaker 1: And I'm more than willing to to let that. Let
Speaker 1: that go, and not to let that go, but let
Speaker 1: that happen, you know. And I think I think you
Speaker 1: guys all have long have been right. Get him help,
Speaker 1: you know, play to his strengths, coach him up a
Speaker 1: little bit better, and see what you got. All right,
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Speaker 1: you can eat on Thanksgiving. Yeah, pretty cool. All you
Speaker 1: gotta do is buy it. It's first come, first served.
Speaker 1: I believe it's all you can eat. Yeah, there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're feeding him into oh Man all right times. Offensive Line,
Speaker 1: Offensive line, Mick, what's your update on Connor Williams, the
Speaker 1: rookie starting left guard. Oh, he's gonna have his knee scoped,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine maybe as soon as possible, and
Speaker 1: depending on how it goes, it could be two weeks,
Speaker 1: it could be four weeks. It sounds like it's a
Speaker 1: loose piece of cartilage, just the way Randy Gregory had
Speaker 1: trying to play through. Randy tried to play through it, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they ended up saying Gregory, just go have this.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can accelerate your timeline and at a higher
Speaker 1: level play. It depends on the person too, you know
Speaker 1: how you react to the scope, because I can remember
Speaker 1: I want to say it was ninety five and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had a buy and Jay Novacek had his knee scoped,
Speaker 1: and in two weeks he was back. Planned Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I remember equipment a little different than ninety five than
Speaker 1: they have the day a very good friend of mine
Speaker 1: he needed to basically have his knee scope because he
Speaker 1: had a loose piece of cartilage. And I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, and in three weeks will be playing tennis again. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: it was three months, ye, So so everybody's not well,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a professional athlete, so but everybody's
Speaker 1: not the same. But Randy was, you know, they were
Speaker 1: working him out before the game, right and it just
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. But he was trying to give him
Speaker 1: credit for that. So we'll see where it goes this week.
Speaker 1: So with an offensive lineman who doesn't have to run
Speaker 1: forty yard dashes or anything, maybe you know, you put
Speaker 1: a brace on it and you get back in two
Speaker 1: weeks or so. So in the meantime, Brian, what do
Speaker 1: you do it? Left guard? Put Lyle Collins? So no, no,
Speaker 1: don't make two moves. Yeah, but yeah, you're right, and
Speaker 1: this is this is but this is where I have
Speaker 1: the This is where I have an issue just because
Speaker 1: I said that, because I've been watching Philadelphia and I've
Speaker 1: been watching Helodi Nada and Fletcher Cox play inside a
Speaker 1: week for it's bad. It's a bad week to have,
Speaker 1: you know, and and Connor Williams was going to have
Speaker 1: some issues either way. But this is where now, this
Speaker 1: is where I look at it and I say, what's
Speaker 1: if we were to watch Dak Prescott, where are the
Speaker 1: majority of Dak Prescott's problems when it comes to in
Speaker 1: the pocket, right in his face, right in the middle
Speaker 1: of the pocket, middle rush, middle rush, and because we
Speaker 1: all know that he can escape outside rush. We know
Speaker 1: those edge rushers, we do that same problem, Romo Ahead,
Speaker 1: same problem exactly. So to me, I'm thinking, do I
Speaker 1: want to put Redmond inside? And he's been the primary
Speaker 1: backup guy. Believe it or not, they've used him as
Speaker 1: the when Zack Martin wasn't practicing last week, it was
Speaker 1: Redmond was the starter at right guard. In practice he was,
Speaker 1: So I'm starting I'm sitting there trying to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm having problems in the middle of the pocket,
Speaker 1: do I want to put size in the middle of
Speaker 1: the pocket. And that's why I made the comment about Collins.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm with you, Mickey, I really
Speaker 1: don't want to move Collins. But I'm thinking about the
Speaker 1: if this thing turns into, you know, two or three
Speaker 1: week thing, can you afford to have red Now you
Speaker 1: signed Redman, You claimed Redman to be a you know,
Speaker 1: to be on this team to help, but he's very
Speaker 1: similar in size to what you have with Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: So are you, you know, would you be better off.
Speaker 1: And this is I hate when I say this is
Speaker 1: you play your best five? What's wrong with saying that?
Speaker 1: I hate it because it reminds me of the Chaz
Speaker 1: Green thing. Okay, so here's my question. And I didn't
Speaker 1: realize this. I didn't take time to look at Sea
Speaker 1: Filo's background. Big guy. So sixteen and seventeen, he started
Speaker 1: thirty one of thirty two games from Houston. What happened?
Speaker 1: Like he when you watch him fifteen and sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 1: he didn't play. Yeah, he struggles to move Okay, but
Speaker 1: he started all those games. Yeah, And that's why they
Speaker 1: moved on from him, because he said yeah, and and
Speaker 1: the reason I took him that long ye yeah. And
Speaker 1: and it's funny because offensive lineman, you you know, you
Speaker 1: just don't give up on those guys. He was a
Speaker 1: second round pick. Yeah, exactly UCLA coming out. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a big, thick guy, and you know, scheme wise,
Speaker 1: you know, as much as they pull and youth, he
Speaker 1: can't do that effectively. Now they have him here thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: he's your fifty third player basically, so he's always going
Speaker 1: to be the guy that's gonna be inactive. I'd love
Speaker 1: to have his power in a more athletic body. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a big guy, but he doesn't move well enough.
Speaker 1: And that's what would worry me. Okay, but that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, if you put Redmond Redmond, Redmond's an athlete.
Speaker 1: Redmond can and he's very similar. He's very similar to
Speaker 1: like the Connor with the way Connor with the mobility
Speaker 1: and stuff, and you know, and but there's the a
Speaker 1: little bit of the lack of the power there too.
Speaker 1: He's also been your primary backup center, right right, So
Speaker 1: could you to move could you conceivably move Joe Looney
Speaker 1: to love See, now let's all talk about what Joe
Speaker 1: Looney's done at center. Do you want to put Redmond
Speaker 1: in that situation of having to make a bunch of
Speaker 1: line calls right out of the gate against Philadelphia in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: Or do you want to keep the front of that
Speaker 1: a short week? Yeah? Well do you I mean not
Speaker 1: that I don't think that Redmond is not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's a dumb guy. Or but now you finally
Speaker 1: you're starting to finally figure out that you know this guy. Well,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney has played well, you know, eight weeks for
Speaker 1: you and you know, he hasn't been terrible there. And
Speaker 1: Redman had two days of practice at guard during the
Speaker 1: bye right and one day when they got back last
Speaker 1: week right at guard. Now I think that's the route
Speaker 1: they're going to go. I think so too. Now if
Speaker 1: he starts though, right, then he's also still your backup center, right,
Speaker 1: and then you gotta get see a Philo ready. I
Speaker 1: mean he's got to be active, right, I would think so, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Fleming, yeah, he can't have just one. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Sue Philo would be Sue Philo is gonna
Speaker 1: get some work because he gets no work during the week.
Speaker 1: He gets none. And I mean he's a scout team
Speaker 1: he's a scout team guy. And to think about your
Speaker 1: other move and yeah, okay, great, Lale Collins go inside.
Speaker 1: But then I was down there, Mickey, you gotta play Fleming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but see it, that is that not your best five? See?
Speaker 1: I know. And now we're questioning the offensive line depth,
Speaker 1: you know, now we're really questioning the depth. But the thing,
Speaker 1: the thing I just kind of remember with Cam Fleming.
Speaker 1: I remember watching him evaluating him starting a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and I remember starting an AFC championship game, he was
Speaker 1: at right tackle. He was at right tackle. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting here thinking, okay, do you do you
Speaker 1: put Collins inside to try and solidify the inside three
Speaker 1: and hope that that you know, okay, we're gonna match
Speaker 1: up against This is crazy to think, but I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: what's what's worse? I do not I do not want.
Speaker 1: I do not want Helodi Nada or Fletcher Cox wrecking
Speaker 1: my scheme is what I don't want to do. So
Speaker 1: on the right side. Then for Fleming, who would he
Speaker 1: have as the defensive end, Well, they like to move around.
Speaker 1: They move Michael Bennett and Brandon Graham. And he's also
Speaker 1: gonna get one of the longs. He's gonna get Chris Long.
Speaker 1: This is a just a tough matchup across the board.
Speaker 1: You know what, if Connor Williams is playing, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: because Connor Williams has played eight games. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: my chances with Connor Williams. I think you'll be all right.
Speaker 1: But what's Crawford Curd doing these ys? Yeah exactly, it's
Speaker 1: like a bigger guy like Gogang. The idea of moving
Speaker 1: Lyle back inside. I don't. I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: many questions we get from fans about that. Fans want
Speaker 1: to see him, but you know what, you want to
Speaker 1: see him play guard because you're thinking, well, in this case,
Speaker 1: it would make sense to play guard because of the
Speaker 1: problems that you're having at you know, you're you're what
Speaker 1: do we say? We said the problems that that the
Speaker 1: quarterback has had is when it happens in front of him,
Speaker 1: not on the edge of it. Connor's a yeah, ron
Speaker 1: Larry a third for Ronald Leary. Yeah, I can't. You're
Speaker 1: dually to kill our draft show now. I know you're
Speaker 1: going all the way to show. I know you got
Speaker 1: hurt again. Yeah, I think he's I think he's not guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's nicked up to Yeah, Jonathan Cooper got
Speaker 1: hurt too. I think the guy it's played Byron Bell
Speaker 1: i'ved at least played pretty well for the Packers. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. Is he playing guard? He's playing guard? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No way, yeah, yeah. See, And they tried working Fleming
Speaker 1: at guard in camp and then coach said coach said no,
Speaker 1: yesterday that was not Yeah, at least they made at
Speaker 1: least they made that call. They could have said what
Speaker 1: they did with Chaz Green and said, oh, I'll just
Speaker 1: keep playing him. There it's Chatz in New Orleans right now.
Speaker 1: He got picked up. They signed him. I think. I
Speaker 1: think that's right. Are they going to sign Diz? Sounds
Speaker 1: like sports are there working on a deal down there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well there was reports they were working on a deal
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and Jacksonville. Well, I guess we'll just see
Speaker 1: what the reports say. As last night, as at ten
Speaker 1: o'clock bust night, it had not been done. I know
Speaker 1: that for a fact. We'll see, we'll see if he
Speaker 1: wants to play. We'll find out. Mickey's just hoping he
Speaker 1: didn't play. No, I know I'm here. Now you're being now,
Speaker 1: you're being mean. I'm not. I'm saying, does he want
Speaker 1: to play? Didently they're working on a contract. They worked
Speaker 1: on a contract in Cleveland. Cleveland different than New Orleans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever got to the contract stage.
Speaker 1: It was just we'll see kind of a thing. Well,
Speaker 1: it made for good TV, it did. I would personally
Speaker 1: love to see days in New Orleans, watch people go
Speaker 1: out and buy that get it runs all. How are
Speaker 1: they coming here? That's just sitting there going, we're gonna
Speaker 1: stand Oh no, there's clearly he's got a seven and
Speaker 1: one football team right now, especially if he's wearing eighty
Speaker 1: eight in our stadium with another team that sting. I
Speaker 1: think it'll happen because he'll have his chance to come
Speaker 1: back and play him now, right, Is that what he wants?
Speaker 1: That's what he wanted. Maybe he looked at the one game,
Speaker 1: for one game they don't play in Cleveland. Yah, right,
Speaker 1: I think he's got it for one game, that's all
Speaker 1: he needs. And what was the other team, Baltimore? They
Speaker 1: didn't play Baltimore. He said, I'll see you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's right, all right, we'll find out what the reports say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we go along, Ray in Fort Worth, take us
Speaker 1: home on talking Cowboys in good morning, gentlemen. M dak
Speaker 1: is not solely the blame here. He's part of the problem,
Speaker 1: but he's not the only problem. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they continue to Jason Garrett. Maybe because Jerry won't let him.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he doesn't take the play calling away.
Speaker 1: He continues to carry that playsheet in his back in
Speaker 1: his back, but he never uses it. At some point,
Speaker 1: you got to say, look, Scott Lenahan, you've had your chance.
Speaker 1: This is not working. The gentleman before me mentioned the RPOs.
Speaker 1: That's his game. Dak is never gonna be your drive
Speaker 1: back thirty five times accurate quarterback. Well, Ray, let me
Speaker 1: stop you right there. If Jason Garrett thought that they
Speaker 1: should be using more RPOs, then don't you think he
Speaker 1: would say, Scott Lenahan, use RPOs. Scott's not sitting in
Speaker 1: that office over there by himself making off. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about the office, Mick, I'm talking about games. Well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He's got a headset on. He could
Speaker 1: tell him, well, okay, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: You don't like nobody questioning the coaches. No, I get
Speaker 1: my point. You have the whole show. Oh well, okay,
Speaker 1: if you want to come and work for me, I
Speaker 1: would love to come sit down and follow you and
Speaker 1: right help you write or do whatever you would. You
Speaker 1: would do it for three days for the Hills. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But he's right. The RPO is his game. He's and
Speaker 1: people need to stop. He's not gonna he's deck. It's
Speaker 1: not your traditional drive back forty times and be PenPoint accurate.
Speaker 1: He's not perfect. He has to hear everything go right,
Speaker 1: but the coaches do have to put him in a
Speaker 1: better situation to the seat. I don't think they did
Speaker 1: that in this game. Whoever has control of the offense,
Speaker 1: the Jerry continually say he's the future, he's getting it extended.
Speaker 1: So this whole evaluating that thing seem to be mute.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I don't even know why we're talking about
Speaker 1: extension with the Murray Cooper when he's got what third
Speaker 1: you said, thirteen million dollars do next year? Let's let
Speaker 1: this whole thing play it out. We right away to
Speaker 1: wasted a first round pick. I don't think it's probably
Speaker 1: the wrong word. Yeah, well, I mean there's not just
Speaker 1: there's more than just a receiver's coming out a wasted pick. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it was a wasted pickant take Carver. How
Speaker 1: how do we know there's a lot of defensive players
Speaker 1: come out in this draft too? I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: the radius, you got to be ecstatic. But just I
Speaker 1: don't know why we're even talking about extending the Murray Cooper.
Speaker 1: Let's let everything play out. What is he going to say?
Speaker 1: What is he supposed to say? What he says supposed
Speaker 1: to say, what is he supposed to say about that?
Speaker 1: What's he supposed to say? I mean, they don't tonight,
Speaker 1: they've got a nine game interview with him to see
Speaker 1: if they want to extend him. And if you were
Speaker 1: going to extend him, the reason you're extending him, right,
Speaker 1: the reason you would extend to him is to reduce
Speaker 1: the fourteen million dollars cap hit next year. Well, and
Speaker 1: I get it. And if you can get him to
Speaker 1: take a discount right now to get his money up front, yeah,
Speaker 1: get Yes, you just don't don't point you spend a
Speaker 1: first round pick on him. I get it. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep it, all right, Thanks, Ray, we gotta go. You
Speaker 1: don't make this deal unless you're he's part of Jay Sir,
Speaker 1: you just don't do it. Yeah, I mean that you
Speaker 1: draft a first round picks. He's part of your team
Speaker 1: for five years, so they considered that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely
Speaker 1: not like they're sitting there going okay and a pretty
Speaker 1: good start myself. All right, we gotta go. Jason Garrett's
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