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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up. Welcome inside thees WBC Mortgage studio.

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Speaker 1: This is Talking Cowboys on a Wednesday. Rob Phillips in studio,

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Speaker 1: hosting for Bill Jones, who's doing his TV thing just

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Speaker 1: down the hall, Kent Garrison producing next door. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: as always by Brian brought us and eventually Mickey Spagnola

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Speaker 1: might pop his head in here and join us. Do

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Speaker 1: his job. He's doing his radio job right radio, right now,

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Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be too critical of that. But he's

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Speaker 1: got this podcast job coming up here in a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes. Yeah. And uh, like I said, cowboys back

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Speaker 1: just absolutely it's good. Let's go play football. Put this

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Speaker 1: get it behind him and try to move on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the head coach, he even talked about that, you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at some of the positive things that they

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Speaker 1: things that didn't go as well as it needed to

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Speaker 1: clean that up, and yeah, it's a short week, quit

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Speaker 1: quick turnaround. The good thing about it, though, is that

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Speaker 1: they gave you all that time off. This is where

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Speaker 1: the games start to become fast and furious, and you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully you're ready to handle that. Garrett was talking about

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Speaker 1: physical with his team. So let's see if that's in

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Speaker 1: fact the case. You're right. Monday or Sunday night football

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Speaker 1: at Philadelphia one of two matchups in the division, key

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Speaker 1: matchups obviously with the Cowboys two games back. You can

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Speaker 1: join us. By the way, eight five five to two

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Speaker 1: ninety seven is the number over the next hour. Mickey Spagnola, welcome,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna join you. How are you They make you

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Speaker 1: pay for a bye, don't they Well, in this case

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Speaker 1: they do, yeah, in this case they try. They try.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was wondering, did any team and I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry this is off the track, but they give you

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Speaker 1: also the option of, if you play in London, not

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Speaker 1: another portion of the of the season. Has anybody done

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Speaker 1: that this year? Tennessee? One year, I think the Colts

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Speaker 1: penalized you. Well, I don't know about that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys had an extra day after the buye they

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Speaker 1: wasn't like two buys, but I mean they had another weekend.

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Speaker 1: But now they're off. But now they're making you play

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Speaker 1: didn't get that time off after Thanksgiving and got to

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Speaker 1: Part of the deal. We know that. And they do

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Speaker 1: Didn't they have a night game at Philly? Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they got they got beat bad on Thanksgiving, right yau.

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Speaker 1: Clearly time and travel lost Monday by time you got

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Speaker 1: and okay, let's go play. This is just like them

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Speaker 1: Carolina game. They're up seventeen and nothing. Imagine the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's their best win Jacksonville before the bye?

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Speaker 1: this last week coming off the bye. Yeah, we'll see

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Speaker 1: is still a great player, don't get me wrong about that,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, there were some things that

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Speaker 1: But all Sean Jeffrey's difficult. But you know, Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: picking the Cowboys to go on the road and beat Philadelphia. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That was a pretty pass though. I mean that was

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Speaker 1: I still can't believe not number one the guy caught it,

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Speaker 1: They made some great play calls. The shovel passed. I

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Speaker 1: our job to be mad. You know. I told the

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Speaker 1: I said, what did you think this team was going

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Speaker 1: said seven and nine. I said, well, you were right,

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Speaker 1: So why are you mad? They are what you thought

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Speaker 1: ten and six. Maybe that's good enough to win the division.

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Speaker 1: You know. But see, if you get mad, then it

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be mad. Are you never mad?

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Speaker 1: Not at how they play? You've done this for thirty years?

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Speaker 1: How mad would I be? General disposition? Were you mad?

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Speaker 1: I hear you. I'm not a fan. Yeah, the fans

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Speaker 1: But I don't get mad. You know. The first question

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Speaker 1: good morning. Thank you for taking my phone call. You

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I kind of realized this weekend. You know,

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Speaker 1: a wonderful time. Um, it's just nice and yeah, but

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Speaker 1: to postgame shows afterwards, everybody keeps saying, um, we if

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Speaker 1: we put the right parts in here, we can win

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Speaker 1: some games with Dak. And I just if that's the

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Speaker 1: way we're talking, I feel like we're talking mediocracy. I'm

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Speaker 1: a quarterback that is going to win some games, that's

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Speaker 1: not good enough for the Dallas Cowboys. We need a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that can get us to NFC championship games, that

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Speaker 1: can win US division titles, that can win US Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: We is this where on our ship needs to you know,

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Speaker 1: raise the bar again. Yeah, but it's you know, you're

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Speaker 1: you're talking about something that also and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you had a good time with your dad at

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Speaker 1: the game. By the way, Yeah, thank you. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you guys talk about Thanks you're also you're you know,

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Speaker 1: my experience of being in the front office, we all

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Speaker 1: want the better quarterback. The Super Bowls, the division you know,

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Speaker 1: games on we all want that. It's not as easy

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Speaker 1: as just you know, going out there and I find anyone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you felt like you had a guy when

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Speaker 1: would have told and I'm sure there's the Romo fans

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Speaker 1: out there that said, oh, this is still a bad move.

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Speaker 1: This is a bad move. You should have stuck with Romo.

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Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I mean, this is a constant journey,

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Speaker 1: is a constant journey, you know. And I think the

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Speaker 1: evaluation of Dak Prescott, let's see where it ends up,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean people are out there saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he can't do this, he can't do He's

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Speaker 1: not We talked about this all the time. He's not perfect.

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Speaker 1: You've even said this, rob When he gets help around him,

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Speaker 1: he's a pretty good quarterback. He can win games. He's

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Speaker 1: capable bull of doing things. I think that goes for

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Speaker 1: But that's the quarterbacks in this league. Ye that's exactly right,

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And there's no guarantee. You know, think

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Speaker 1: of the struggles right now in Jacksonville with Blake Bortles.

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Speaker 1: Think about that, you know, think about it. Took it

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Speaker 1: took a It took a coaching change in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: to get that quarterback playing well. He was the number

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Speaker 1: one overall. Yeah. Yeah, Carson Wentz was two. They didn't

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl with Carson Wentz. I mean they

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Speaker 1: right there, coaching tremendous defense, guys making plays around him.

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Speaker 1: They made a move for running running back to help

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Speaker 1: the blame on Prescott here, but you know it's that's

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Speaker 1: that goes with the territory. But you don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: Every every guy John Dorsey when he traded for Pat Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: get this guy. What do you think? Are you sure

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Speaker 1: you want to do this? You sure you want to

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Speaker 1: trade all these guys away? And I'm sure, And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna can the quarterback. Yeah, we've had some you sure

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Speaker 1: you Yeah, a guy that has a great track record

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Speaker 1: is a winner and you want to get rid of him,

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Speaker 1: and that takes guts, but it also it also takes

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of luck for things like that to

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Speaker 1: work out. You know, hey, I'm sure that that you

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Speaker 1: know we all want the next trode et mean to

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Speaker 1: there and got my ass kicked by him for a

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Speaker 1: bunch of years. You know, we're lucky we got Brett

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Speaker 1: Farve when we're in Green Bay, made a trade and

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Speaker 1: he hadn't done anything. You know, this quarterback, say take

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Speaker 1: a lot of the blame. They take a lot of

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Speaker 1: the blame, But I think you guys are always right.

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Speaker 1: They think, you know, they went out and try to

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Speaker 1: get him some help. And maybe this is a situation

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Speaker 1: where if they make some more changes, we'll see a

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Speaker 1: different quarterback. But I'm let this thing ride because I

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Speaker 1: remember sitting in here when we didn't have for three years,

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Speaker 1: didn't even have a quarterback. I would have I would

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Speaker 1: have done anything for Dak Prescott to come walking through

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Speaker 1: that door. And honestly, not a former baseball player. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we had too many damn baseball players, a couple of them.

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Speaker 1: General manager of the Yankees telling us about this guy

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Speaker 1: to this? Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, hell Quincy was baseball another. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a shame, it was. It was pathetic what

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Speaker 1: to the fan base. Cowboys fans are a little spoiled

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Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't. The NFL didn't want him to

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Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Hollis. Yeah, and then you take a

635
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636
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637
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638
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Speaker 1: you drafted, but he was going to go play uh

639
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Speaker 1: in the USFL world ahead of myself. And then he

640
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Speaker 1: comes in and he takes over. And then a year

641
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Speaker 1: after you need a quarterback, you have the worst record

642
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643
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Speaker 1: game of the season, and Troy Aikman just happens to

644
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Speaker 1: be sitting there, are you. Tony Romo was a gift

645
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Speaker 1: from God. Yeah, we were gonna cut Tony Rome with

646
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter didn't fill the drug tests, he's not here. Well,

647
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: just getting him in here. It took Bill parselves and saying,

648
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Speaker 1: Jim Hess hat him, Garrett, A lot of guys don't

649
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Speaker 1: go to Denver. Yeah, there's opportunity here, right, and we're

650
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Speaker 1: not going to pay you more than Denver. Yeah, you

651
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: got an opportunity here. And just the fact that it

652
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: worked out. And let's not forget what Dak Prescott is

653
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: doing and has done as a fourth round draft pick.

654
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: That's a success. That's a big success. I'm telling you

655
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: it's in the two early two thousands when we were

656
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Speaker 1: wandering around the desert without anything. I used that line

657
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, we were. We were terrible. We evaluate

658
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: were terrible evaluating quarterbacks. It was it was like it

659
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: was like the America song Horse with no first part

660
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Speaker 1: of the journey. Yeah, that was us. It was. Yeah,

661
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Speaker 1: there were plants and birds. Yeah, we were wandered in

662
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: the desert. We were. So what you're saying though about

663
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: this position right now, asks the guy, sounds like Dak's

664
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy for a while. We'll see, we'll see,

665
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: we'll see the evaluation there. But but to me to

666
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: sit there and put all the blame on him, I

667
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: think is wrong. And I'm I and I trust me.

668
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: I want him to play better. I want him to

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00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: anticipate throws. I don't want him to take sacks. I

670
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: want him to protect the football. I want him to

671
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Speaker 1: do all those things. People out there right now are saying, well,

672
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: damn brought us with all that. He shouldn't be the quarterback.

673
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: What's the alternative? I'm gonna use Mickey's line, what's your alternative?

674
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: Right now? What is your alternative? Sam Bradford. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: talk about him. Yeah, there you go. That's a fifty

676
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: million dollar mistake. How'd you like to be sitting there,

677
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, you know, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady.

678
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Speaker 1: Can I keep going? I mean, is that it Russell Wilson.

679
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: That's guys you can count on the third round pick

680
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. By the way, John Snyder and John Snyder

681
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: gave ten million dollars to another guy before afted Russell

682
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: Wilson and that, and they gave him three or four

683
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: years to develop with a defense that held everything at

684
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: day right, and you hope you had that, and then

685
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of got it now. I think I

686
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's their hope for Dak is. Look,

687
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: more time in the system, more time, and eventually he's

688
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: gonna get it now obviously, and then I might be

689
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: way wrong of sitting or arguing it, but you know

690
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking of alternatives. The alternative rob is going

691
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: to have to be go draft somebody in the first round.

692
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: But there's no guarantee of that, no, and you probably

693
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: need to be terrible to get in a position to

694
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Speaker 1: even try to do that. So it's I agree with

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00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's not easy to do. Uh, it's

696
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: just it's not a snap of your finger thing. I'm

697
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: mentioned those other quarterbacks that's on one hand, guys that

698
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: are franchise type guys. And what's the package record right

699
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: now with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he doesn't have a lot

700
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: of help around him. And look at look at their record. Yeah,

701
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: what are they record? They three five and one, three four,

702
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: three four and one. Yeah, Barris went in that division, right,

703
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Barris division with a quarterback. They picked what third overall?

704
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: Trubisky second overall. There's a ton of intercept and everybody

705
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: said they took him too high and they've had to

706
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: be bad for a while to get in that position. Look,

707
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: he just needs to relax. He's trying too hard. There

708
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: are plays that he can't make and he's still trying

709
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: too hard. Just sit back, relax and better turned. And

710
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: he says he's turned the noise off. I don't know

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00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: that he's turned the noise off. No, I agree with that.

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00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: I think I think you're gonna get sacked. Get sacked. Yeah,

713
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: you know when when when a guy's in your face

714
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: and you're at the six yard line, don't throw one

715
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: up for grabs, put it in the first row of

716
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: the stands. Well, what did he say about the last

717
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: half of twenty seventeen. I tried to do too much?

718
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think he was in this last game

719
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: as well, trying to force it to a new wide receiver.

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00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Get him involved. You can't outplay your offensive line. That's

721
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: that's a problem right now. That's something that we weren't

722
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: talking about very much. Let's um, let's take a phone

723
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: call real quick, and then we'll touch on the old line.

724
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Speaker 1: We come back after this break. Danny in Hawaii. Welcome

725
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: to talking Cowboys. What's up? Man? Hey, how you guys doing. No,

726
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm still here. You're still here? Yeah, I leave I

727
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: at leave today. Oh welcome to our time zone. Yeah

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah. This is easier for you than calling

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Speaker 1: it four in the morning. Huh yeah, it's much easier.

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00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: Danny was with us on Saturday. Oh nice, wet you

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Speaker 1: on the field on y Yes, I saw you. Whereabouts?

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00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: And WHOI are you from? What's that? Where in Hawaii

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Speaker 1: are you from? Koye got you? That's the most beautiful,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the best one. Yeah, Yeah, thank you. Um, yeah,

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00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, I hear you guys talking about adapting, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, sometimes I think Rob, I think you

737
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: brought it up a couple he said that let Dak

738
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: do Dak things. You know, like, you know, he seems

739
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: like he's better flow in the game when he's running

740
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: that read option. I'm not a big fan of that

741
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: read option, but that's what Dak does pretty well, and

742
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: he seems to get more confident while doing that, and

743
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: you know that and and it also helps out Zeke

744
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, because it gives the defense

745
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: something to think about, and then also you know, like

746
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: bringing the linebackers up, holding them in their spot, giving

747
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: giving the wide receivers there's a tick extra time to

748
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: um to get open. And then also the offensive line

749
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, like you see the defensive line hesitating. But

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00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: like I said, it's always you know, that just seems

751
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: more confident when he's running that. There seem not a

752
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: read option, there's not have to be a mainstay, but

753
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: just enough of it. I think it's it's great for him,

754
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know that is the fourth

755
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: round pick, and you know he had a real successful season.

756
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: But you know, like so people think that he's perfect

757
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: and now like, oh he's I'm up there with Tom Brady.

758
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: That is not that's not the case and not that.

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00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, but I do, I do support that, and

760
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, I hope we can turn this around. Um.

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00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: I glad to see you guys again. Ye see you

762
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: guys again. Absolutely great seeing you, Danny and finally meeting you.

763
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: And he makes a lot of sense. Play play to

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: his strengths, do things that can help him feel comfortable

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00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: back there. I'm willing to I'm willing to play this

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00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: thing out with him, I really am. I mean, I'm

767
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: willing to play out his contract with him, you know.

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00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, if it's good enough,

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Speaker 1: then Jerry Jones will will sign him. If it's not,

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00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: then the front office will have to make a decision.

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00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: And I'm more than willing to to let that. Let

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00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: that go, and not to let that go, but let

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Speaker 1: that happen, you know. And I think I think you

774
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: guys all have long have been right. Get him help,

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00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, play to his strengths, coach him up a

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00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: little bit better, and see what you got. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take our final break. We come back I've been

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00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,120
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00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fantastic. January January kim Oh, I gotta

843
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: wait that long, can't, can't forever? The Sickest Kid's gonna

844
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: get back together on this one said this, I don't

845
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: think they can afford us. Oh hey, if they asked,

846
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: we would definitely do it forever May Concession because it's

847
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: it's you're at home, you don't have to travel, you

848
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: have to travel. That'd be great. We'll play the side stage.

849
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: What wouldn't take to get the band back together? Ken't

850
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: just asking if we could? Would play Cabuo festival. Um, yeah,

851
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna get you know you two or whoa Fighters,

852
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: or they're gonna get the best biggest bands in the world.

853
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: If I Charlotte, yeah, Charlotte Jah forever the Sickest Kids

854
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: would be much kay opening for you too. There you go,

855
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: There you go. Also, I would be there for that

856
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: one more thing. If you want, Brian brought us his

857
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: fleece off his back. Here we go or one like it,

858
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,720
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859
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Speaker 1: created ten thousand exclusive fleeces for Texas stores only, not

860
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: available online or any other retailer. You can upload your

861
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: receipt to Dallas Cowboys dot com backslash slash j C

862
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: Penney for a chance to win tickets, parking opportunity to

863
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: be part of the mosh pit for the Red Kettle

864
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: kickoff halftime show. Fifty lucky winners will be selected, and

865
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: for every fleece soul, jac Penny will donate ten bucks

866
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: to North Texas Salvation Army and make a donation of

867
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars once the promotion ends, regardless of sales.

868
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: So that's a great, great campaign by j. C. Penny.

869
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: I think it's warm. It's it's basically yeah, twenty nine

870
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: dollars for a ticket to the game, field access all

871
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: you can eat on Thanksgiving. Yeah, pretty cool. All you

872
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: gotta do is buy it. It's first come, first served.

873
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: I believe it's all you can eat. Yeah, there you go. Yeah,

874
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: they're feeding him into oh Man all right times. Offensive Line,

875
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Offensive line, Mick, what's your update on Connor Williams, the

876
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: rookie starting left guard. Oh, he's gonna have his knee scoped,

877
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: and I would imagine maybe as soon as possible, and

878
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: depending on how it goes, it could be two weeks,

879
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: it could be four weeks. It sounds like it's a

880
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: loose piece of cartilage, just the way Randy Gregory had

881
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: trying to play through. Randy tried to play through it, yeah,

882
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: and they ended up saying Gregory, just go have this.

883
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Maybe they can accelerate your timeline and at a higher

884
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: level play. It depends on the person too, you know

885
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: how you react to the scope, because I can remember

886
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: I want to say it was ninety five and the

887
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys had a buy and Jay Novacek had his knee scoped,

888
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: and in two weeks he was back. Planned Yeah, and

889
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: I remember equipment a little different than ninety five than

890
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: they have the day a very good friend of mine

891
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: he needed to basically have his knee scope because he

892
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: had a loose piece of cartilage. And I said, oh, yeah,

893
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: go ahead, and in three weeks will be playing tennis again. Right, Well,

894
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: it was three months, ye, So so everybody's not well,

895
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a professional athlete, so but everybody's

896
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: not the same. But Randy was, you know, they were

897
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: working him out before the game, right and it just

898
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. But he was trying to give him

899
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: credit for that. So we'll see where it goes this week.

900
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: So with an offensive lineman who doesn't have to run

901
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: forty yard dashes or anything, maybe you know, you put

902
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: a brace on it and you get back in two

903
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: weeks or so. So in the meantime, Brian, what do

904
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: you do it? Left guard? Put Lyle Collins? So no, no,

905
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: don't make two moves. Yeah, but yeah, you're right, and

906
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: this is this is but this is where I have

907
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: the This is where I have an issue just because

908
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: I said that, because I've been watching Philadelphia and I've

909
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: been watching Helodi Nada and Fletcher Cox play inside a

910
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: week for it's bad. It's a bad week to have,

911
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, and and Connor Williams was going to have

912
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: some issues either way. But this is where now, this

913
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: is where I look at it and I say, what's

914
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: if we were to watch Dak Prescott, where are the

915
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: majority of Dak Prescott's problems when it comes to in

916
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: the pocket, right in his face, right in the middle

917
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: of the pocket, middle rush, middle rush, and because we

918
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: all know that he can escape outside rush. We know

919
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: those edge rushers, we do that same problem, Romo Ahead,

920
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: same problem exactly. So to me, I'm thinking, do I

921
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: want to put Redmond inside? And he's been the primary

922
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: backup guy. Believe it or not, they've used him as

923
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: the when Zack Martin wasn't practicing last week, it was

924
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: Redmond was the starter at right guard. In practice he was,

925
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: So I'm starting I'm sitting there trying to think, Okay,

926
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: if I'm having problems in the middle of the pocket,

927
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: do I want to put size in the middle of

928
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: the pocket. And that's why I made the comment about Collins.

929
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm with you, Mickey, I really

930
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: don't want to move Collins. But I'm thinking about the

931
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: if this thing turns into, you know, two or three

932
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: week thing, can you afford to have red Now you

933
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: signed Redman, You claimed Redman to be a you know,

934
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: to be on this team to help, but he's very

935
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: similar in size to what you have with Connor Williams.

936
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: So are you, you know, would you be better off.

937
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: And this is I hate when I say this is

938
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: you play your best five? What's wrong with saying that?

939
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: I hate it because it reminds me of the Chaz

940
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: Green thing. Okay, so here's my question. And I didn't

941
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: realize this. I didn't take time to look at Sea

942
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Filo's background. Big guy. So sixteen and seventeen, he started

943
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: thirty one of thirty two games from Houston. What happened?

944
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: Like he when you watch him fifteen and sixteen seventeen,

945
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: he didn't play. Yeah, he struggles to move Okay, but

946
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: he started all those games. Yeah, And that's why they

947
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: moved on from him, because he said yeah, and and

948
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: the reason I took him that long ye yeah. And

949
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: and it's funny because offensive lineman, you you know, you

950
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: just don't give up on those guys. He was a

951
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: second round pick. Yeah, exactly UCLA coming out. I mean,

952
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: he is a big, thick guy, and you know, scheme wise,

953
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, as much as they pull and youth, he

954
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: can't do that effectively. Now they have him here thinking, okay,

955
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: he's your fifty third player basically, so he's always going

956
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: to be the guy that's gonna be inactive. I'd love

957
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: to have his power in a more athletic body. You know,

958
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: he's a big guy, but he doesn't move well enough.

959
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: And that's what would worry me. Okay, but that's why,

960
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you put Redmond Redmond, Redmond's an athlete.

961
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Redmond can and he's very similar. He's very similar to

962
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: like the Connor with the way Connor with the mobility

963
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: and stuff, and you know, and but there's the a

964
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: little bit of the lack of the power there too.

965
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: He's also been your primary backup center, right right, So

966
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: could you to move could you conceivably move Joe Looney

967
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: to love See, now let's all talk about what Joe

968
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: Looney's done at center. Do you want to put Redmond

969
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: in that situation of having to make a bunch of

970
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: line calls right out of the gate against Philadelphia in Atlanta?

971
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: Or do you want to keep the front of that

972
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: a short week? Yeah? Well do you I mean not

973
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: that I don't think that Redmond is not I'm not

974
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: saying he's a dumb guy. Or but now you finally

975
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: you're starting to finally figure out that you know this guy. Well,

976
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: Joe Looney has played well, you know, eight weeks for

977
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: you and you know, he hasn't been terrible there. And

978
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: Redman had two days of practice at guard during the

979
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: bye right and one day when they got back last

980
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: week right at guard. Now I think that's the route

981
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: they're going to go. I think so too. Now if

982
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: he starts though, right, then he's also still your backup center, right,

983
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: and then you gotta get see a Philo ready. I

984
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: mean he's got to be active, right, I would think so, yeah,

985
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: because Fleming, yeah, he can't have just one. Yeah, that's right.

986
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, Sue Philo would be Sue Philo is gonna

987
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: get some work because he gets no work during the week.

988
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: He gets none. And I mean he's a scout team

989
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: he's a scout team guy. And to think about your

990
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: other move and yeah, okay, great, Lale Collins go inside.

991
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: But then I was down there, Mickey, you gotta play Fleming. Yeah,

992
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: but see it, that is that not your best five? See?

993
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: I know. And now we're questioning the offensive line depth,

994
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, now we're really questioning the depth. But the thing,

995
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: the thing I just kind of remember with Cam Fleming.

996
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: I remember watching him evaluating him starting a Super Bowl

997
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: and I remember starting an AFC championship game, he was

998
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: at right tackle. He was at right tackle. Yeah, and

999
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting here thinking, okay, do you do you

1000
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: put Collins inside to try and solidify the inside three

1001
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: and hope that that you know, okay, we're gonna match

1002
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: up against This is crazy to think, but I'm thinking, well,

1003
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: what's what's worse? I do not I do not want.

1004
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: I do not want Helodi Nada or Fletcher Cox wrecking

1005
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: my scheme is what I don't want to do. So

1006
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: on the right side. Then for Fleming, who would he

1007
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: have as the defensive end, Well, they like to move around.

1008
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: They move Michael Bennett and Brandon Graham. And he's also

1009
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: gonna get one of the longs. He's gonna get Chris Long.

1010
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: This is a just a tough matchup across the board.

1011
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: You know what, if Connor Williams is playing, I'm okay,

1012
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: because Connor Williams has played eight games. I'm gonna take

1013
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: my chances with Connor Williams. I think you'll be all right.

1014
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: But what's Crawford Curd doing these ys? Yeah exactly, it's

1015
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: like a bigger guy like Gogang. The idea of moving

1016
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: Lyle back inside. I don't. I can't tell you how

1017
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: many questions we get from fans about that. Fans want

1018
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: to see him, but you know what, you want to

1019
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: see him play guard because you're thinking, well, in this case,

1020
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: it would make sense to play guard because of the

1021
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: problems that you're having at you know, you're you're what

1022
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: do we say? We said the problems that that the

1023
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: quarterback has had is when it happens in front of him,

1024
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: not on the edge of it. Connor's a yeah, ron

1025
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Larry a third for Ronald Leary. Yeah, I can't. You're

1026
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: dually to kill our draft show now. I know you're

1027
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: going all the way to show. I know you got

1028
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: hurt again. Yeah, I think he's I think he's not guard. Yeah,

1029
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: I think he's nicked up to Yeah, Jonathan Cooper got

1030
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: hurt too. I think the guy it's played Byron Bell

1031
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: i'ved at least played pretty well for the Packers. I

1032
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. Is he playing guard? He's playing guard? Yeah?

1033
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: No way, yeah, yeah. See, And they tried working Fleming

1034
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: at guard in camp and then coach said coach said no,

1035
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: yesterday that was not Yeah, at least they made at

1036
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: least they made that call. They could have said what

1037
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: they did with Chaz Green and said, oh, I'll just

1038
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: keep playing him. There it's Chatz in New Orleans right now.

1039
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: He got picked up. They signed him. I think. I

1040
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: think that's right. Are they going to sign Diz? Sounds

1041
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: like sports are there working on a deal down there? Yeah,

1042
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Well there was reports they were working on a deal

1043
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and Jacksonville. Well, I guess we'll just see

1044
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: what the reports say. As last night, as at ten

1045
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: o'clock bust night, it had not been done. I know

1046
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: that for a fact. We'll see, we'll see if he

1047
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: wants to play. We'll find out. Mickey's just hoping he

1048
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: didn't play. No, I know I'm here. Now you're being now,

1049
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: you're being mean. I'm not. I'm saying, does he want

1050
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: to play? Didently they're working on a contract. They worked

1051
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: on a contract in Cleveland. Cleveland different than New Orleans. Yeah,

1052
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: I don't think they ever got to the contract stage.

1053
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: It was just we'll see kind of a thing. Well,

1054
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: it made for good TV, it did. I would personally

1055
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: love to see days in New Orleans, watch people go

1056
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: out and buy that get it runs all. How are

1057
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: they coming here? That's just sitting there going, we're gonna

1058
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: stand Oh no, there's clearly he's got a seven and

1059
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: one football team right now, especially if he's wearing eighty

1060
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: eight in our stadium with another team that sting. I

1061
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: think it'll happen because he'll have his chance to come

1062
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: back and play him now, right, Is that what he wants?

1063
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: That's what he wanted. Maybe he looked at the one game,

1064
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: for one game they don't play in Cleveland. Yah, right,

1065
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: I think he's got it for one game, that's all

1066
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: he needs. And what was the other team, Baltimore? They

1067
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: didn't play Baltimore. He said, I'll see you guys. Yeah,

1068
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: he's right, all right, we'll find out what the reports say. Yeah,

1069
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: as we go along, Ray in Fort Worth, take us

1070
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: home on talking Cowboys in good morning, gentlemen. M dak

1071
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: is not solely the blame here. He's part of the problem,

1072
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: but he's not the only problem. I don't know why

1073
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: they continue to Jason Garrett. Maybe because Jerry won't let him.

1074
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why he doesn't take the play calling away.

1075
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: He continues to carry that playsheet in his back in

1076
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: his back, but he never uses it. At some point,

1077
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: you got to say, look, Scott Lenahan, you've had your chance.

1078
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: This is not working. The gentleman before me mentioned the RPOs.

1079
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: That's his game. Dak is never gonna be your drive

1080
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: back thirty five times accurate quarterback. Well, Ray, let me

1081
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: stop you right there. If Jason Garrett thought that they

1082
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: should be using more RPOs, then don't you think he

1083
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: would say, Scott Lenahan, use RPOs. Scott's not sitting in

1084
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: that office over there by himself making off. I'm not

1085
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: talking about the office, Mick, I'm talking about games. Well,

1086
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He's got a headset on. He could

1087
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: tell him, well, okay, I know, I know, I know.

1088
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: You don't like nobody questioning the coaches. No, I get

1089
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: my point. You have the whole show. Oh well, okay,

1090
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: if you want to come and work for me, I

1091
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: would love to come sit down and follow you and

1092
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: right help you write or do whatever you would. You

1093
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: would do it for three days for the Hills. Okay, okay,

1094
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: But he's right. The RPO is his game. He's and

1095
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: people need to stop. He's not gonna he's deck. It's

1096
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: not your traditional drive back forty times and be PenPoint accurate.

1097
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: He's not perfect. He has to hear everything go right,

1098
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: but the coaches do have to put him in a

1099
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: better situation to the seat. I don't think they did

1100
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: that in this game. Whoever has control of the offense,

1101
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: the Jerry continually say he's the future, he's getting it extended.

1102
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: So this whole evaluating that thing seem to be mute.

1103
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: I disagree. I don't even know why we're talking about

1104
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: extension with the Murray Cooper when he's got what third

1105
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: you said, thirteen million dollars do next year? Let's let

1106
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: this whole thing play it out. We right away to

1107
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: wasted a first round pick. I don't think it's probably

1108
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: the wrong word. Yeah, well, I mean there's not just

1109
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: there's more than just a receiver's coming out a wasted pick. Well,

1110
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was a wasted pickant take Carver. How

1111
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: how do we know there's a lot of defensive players

1112
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: come out in this draft too? I mean, if you're

1113
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: the radius, you got to be ecstatic. But just I

1114
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: don't know why we're even talking about extending the Murray Cooper.

1115
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: Let's let everything play out. What is he going to say?

1116
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: What is he supposed to say? What he says supposed

1117
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: to say, what is he supposed to say about that?

1118
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: What's he supposed to say? I mean, they don't tonight,

1119
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: they've got a nine game interview with him to see

1120
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: if they want to extend him. And if you were

1121
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: going to extend him, the reason you're extending him, right,

1122
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: the reason you would extend to him is to reduce

1123
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: the fourteen million dollars cap hit next year. Well, and

1124
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: I get it. And if you can get him to

1125
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: take a discount right now to get his money up front, yeah,

1126
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: get Yes, you just don't don't point you spend a

1127
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: first round pick on him. I get it. You gotta

1128
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: keep it, all right, Thanks, Ray, we gotta go. You

1129
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: don't make this deal unless you're he's part of Jay Sir,

1130
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: you just don't do it. Yeah, I mean that you

1131
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: draft a first round picks. He's part of your team

1132
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: for five years, so they considered that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely

1133
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: not like they're sitting there going okay and a pretty

1134
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: good start myself. All right, we gotta go. Jason Garrett's

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Speaker 1: up next. The break is at eleven thirty. Checkout Dallas

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