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Speaker 1: is guaranteed. Well, we haven't talked to Jason timpf for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Jason is one of those gems we

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Speaker 1: found hunting through podcast after podcast Hoops Tonight host. He's

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Speaker 1: done just a remarkable job for us. His growth has

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Speaker 1: been exponential, and we don't ignore him during the football season.

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Speaker 1: But we got middle of Coop here is my lead back.

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Speaker 1: So now we're pivoting here in about four or five

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Speaker 1: days to the NBA. And I found myself about three

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Speaker 1: weeks ago really starting to watch the NBA, and Jason

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Speaker 1: and I are going to cut it up for about

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Speaker 1: forty five minutes. Let me start with a trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times there can be sort of overhyped

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Speaker 1: trade suggestions. I have not seen any irresponsible reporting by

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Speaker 1: NBA guys. I don't think there's a ton out there.

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Speaker 1: I think Dejontay Murray would make the Lakers better. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's a game changer. So your thought on

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Speaker 1: what is a pretty quiet trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because I think the play in tournament

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Speaker 2: has made it so that more teams than ever are

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Speaker 2: more willing to think within the scope of the current season,

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Speaker 2: which has diminished the number of sellers. And yet there

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Speaker 2: are so many teams that feel close, which has increased

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Speaker 2: the number of buyers, but the problem is the majority

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Speaker 2: of those buyers don't have much to offer. Like the

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks and the Phoenix Suns would love to have

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Speaker 2: a perimeter defense upgrade, but they don't have any first

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Speaker 2: round picks to offer, which severely limits their ability to

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Speaker 2: go out and get somebody. The Lakers would love to

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Speaker 2: go out and get an athletic guard, but they have

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Speaker 2: some limitations in that they basically have this one draft

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Speaker 2: in a weird way, even though there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of teams that would like to make trade, there aren't

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Speaker 2: Just there just aren't that many trades to be made,

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Speaker 2: and so I think that will kind of limit what

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Speaker 2: Of course, you never know, we'll see what happens before

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Speaker 2: the deadline of desperation kicks in and some stuff starts

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Speaker 1: So you follow the entire league, let's start with the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: because that's always been a primary asset of your NBA knowledge.

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Speaker 1: I've kind of rolled my eyes at any suggestion to

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Speaker 1: trade Lebron, mostly because the five previous years before him,

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Speaker 1: they had the lowest winning percentage in the league, and

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Speaker 1: he saved the franchise ticket sales merch intelligence. He's still

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Speaker 1: an elite scorer and distributor. I'm not giving up Lebron

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Speaker 1: for nineteen year olds that may or may not hit

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Speaker 1: and be players. Here's what I view the Lakers as,

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Speaker 1: and you can tear this apart. I view this team

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Speaker 1: as an elite score and distributor, Lebron, the best defender

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Speaker 1: They have excellent length, could use another shooter. I would

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Speaker 1: I think the move is a tweak, and I don't

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Speaker 1: Is that a fair kind of view of the Lakers?

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Speaker 2: You know, the Lakers have had such a weird season,

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Speaker 2: the gates and they're actually pretty solid in spite of

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Speaker 2: They started fifteen and nine, capped off with winning the

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Speaker 2: I hope they don't just completely fall apart after winning

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Speaker 2: this thing. They go three and ten over their next

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Speaker 2: thirteen games, with some bad losses. They lost to a

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Speaker 2: they beat the thunder, they beat the Celtics, they beat

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Speaker 2: So I think more or less, I'm kind of exactly

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Speaker 2: to get better, especially on the offensive end, for them

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Speaker 2: to be able to hang with Denver. A Lebron James

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Speaker 2: A Lebron James jump shot this year is worth one

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Speaker 2: the Lakers is the two guys in between. Russell brings

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Speaker 2: can't play him next to Austin Reeves against good teams

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Speaker 2: been Darvin Ham's favorite player all season long. He is

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Speaker 2: as a starter on this particular team, although they just

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Speaker 2: They have All these guys like Rui Hachimura and Jared

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Speaker 2: their best punchers chance. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: Colin like is Denver just better than everybody, because that,

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Speaker 1: I talked about this on the Herd today. If you

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Speaker 1: always the best bench. Denver's bench is average, it's not

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Boston. So listen. I know their starting

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Speaker 1: With Tatum, it's different. I think people think you know listen,

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Speaker 1: he's never going to be that. It's not his personality.

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Speaker 2: They're nine players in the NBA that have attempted at

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to go back west to the Clippers,

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Speaker 1: and a little bit selfish, wouldn't step back and hit

427
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: threes for years. He just got stubborn on the twos.

428
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: So if Bronson's an A, I do believe you need

429
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: a very strong two. I think Og and Randall are threes.

430
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: Good threes. And at the end of that game, if

431
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: Brunson's not hitting, forget Randal because Randall would be slowed

432
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: down by a D. He's not getting any cheap points.

433
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 1: Eighty's the best low post defender in the game. And

434
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: I look at the Knicks and what I've seen Jason

435
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: in the last three years with them is patience, and

436
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: part of me is like, just go get a two,

437
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 1: and then part of me is like, no, that's the

438
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: next You've been desperate. I'mari Stodameier. You always reach on people.

439
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: Is there a player in the league if not this

440
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: trade deadline, next trade deadline, because I think they needed too,

441
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: so address if you think the Knicks do. If Brunton's

442
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: not hitting late like he wasn't against the Lakers, boy

443
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: they go dry fast. I mean they go drive fast. Now,

444
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: Randal didn't play, but I don't think o g or

445
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: Randall are elite scores per se. Is there a guy

446
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: in the league that you say, you know what? I

447
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 1: thought it was Karl Anthony Towns. I was kind of

448
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 1: in that for a while. Is there a guy that

449
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: you would like for that role?

450
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: For them, the patience is the perfect way to put it,

451
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 2: because they could have jumped on Donovan Mitchell and now

452
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where it's at the time

453
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 2: of the trade, we didn't realize Brunson was this good.

454
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: So like maybe internally they were like Brunson's our guy,

455
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: and maybe that was some of the reasoning behind it.

456
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: But the point is is waiting ended up being smart

457
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: because then Jalen Brunston popped and now they can kind

458
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: of be more patient and in terms of waiting for

459
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: who that next guy is. I thought the Ognnobi trade

460
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: was was genius because it didn't waste any sort of

461
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: super legitimate asset in terms of their pursuit of an

462
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: eventual star. I think one of the reasons why that

463
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: Laker game looked the way it did is the Knicks

464
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: are very much like a physically imposing team, like they

465
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: are very much like a power beat you up for

466
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: forty eight minutes, classic Tom Thibodeo type of team, right,

467
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: And when you take Og and Julius out, they just

468
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: become small really fast, especially with Mitchell Robinson out of

469
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: the lineup because he's been injured, although he might come

470
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 2: back before the end. But I mean this won't come

471
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: as any secret to anybody who's listened to you and

472
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: me talk about this before. But we're both really high

473
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: on Jaln Brunson, and I think like I think Jalen

474
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: Brunson has entered into that conversation with the best guards

475
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: in the league. Like I think he's just on that

476
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: pure Really we're on an extended stretch now where he

477
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: not only that he's improving and like to take it

478
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: even a step further. Look at the playoffs last year,

479
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 2: he straight up out played Donovan Mitchell head to head

480
00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: and one a series.

481
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: Frankly, Jason, I think he's a better player than Donovan Mitchell.

482
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: He's I think he's tight.

483
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite. I shouldn't even say this anymore.

484
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta get over with this. I think

485
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: he's a better leader. I think he plays with a

486
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: very steady temperament. I know exactly what I get from

487
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson every game I watch him, Donovan I get,

488
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: I get stretches where I get he just like forgets

489
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: his teammates. I think Brunson is a top you can

490
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: name it, but I think he New York loud. He's

491
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: classic Villanova, tunes out the noise, coachable leader, grown up

492
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: defends like I'm sorry, but I have I think he's terrific.

493
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: I love him.

494
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: To Donovan Mitchell's credit, He's having the best season of

495
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: his career as well. The Calves are literally the two seed.

496
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: He's having the best defensive season he's had of his career.

497
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: So I want to give Donovan Mitchell some credit. But

498
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Jalen Brunson is a better basketball

499
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: player than him. But then he also went toe to

500
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: toe with Jimmy Butler. The reason why they couldn't beat

501
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: the Heat last year was Julius Randall was a complete

502
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: non factor in that postseason run. Now, in his defense,

503
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: he was hurt. He had hurt his ankle right before

504
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs and was pretty beat up throughout that playoff run.

505
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: But to your point, the Knicks have already shown us

506
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: they can make some noise with just Jalen Brunson, so

507
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: you can imagine what a number two would do for them. Now,

508
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: the question is who the guy that I know that

509
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: they've been waiting on is Joel Embiid. But I do

510
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: get somewhat concerned about with his injury history now like

511
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: here we are again with him with his knee, struggling

512
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 2: to make it through a regular season. But I think

513
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: Joel Embiid is a guy that had their eyes on.

514
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: I think if the war, if the Lakers just absolutely

515
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: like floundered this year, like just an absolute disaster end

516
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: of the season, I put like a like a five

517
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: percent chance that someone like Lebron could potentially either opt

518
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: out of his deal this summer and sign there on

519
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: like a mid level exception, or opt in and do

520
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: the James Harden where basically you opt in and ask

521
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: for a trade and then try to do that. Because

522
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: I look at Lebron, James is basically, even at this

523
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: phase of his career, just a way better version of

524
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: Julius Randall, which kind of is a shoeing fit to

525
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: that position. You know, what I mean so like, But

526
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: I think when it comes to the Knick's patience has

527
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: been the name of the game. Jalen Brunson has bought

528
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: them the ability to be good.

529
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: While they wait for the right guy.

530
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, there's no reason

531
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: to jump at anything unless it is the I wouldn't

532
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: trade for a single guy unless he was better than

533
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson.

534
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: It literally is that simple to me.

535
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Brunson is the future of the Knicks.

536
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of people that are

537
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, you hear this. I think it was said

538
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: about Jayleen Brunson. He's a little guy. You don't win

539
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: championships with little guys. And the NBA is getting bigger.

540
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a certain recent formula size in the league.

541
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, as the league gets younger,

542
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: I think there's an increasing value in maturity and leadership

543
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: as the league gets younger. It's why Lebron is so valuable.

544
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: And I think Tatum in New York, you can get

545
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: lost to that city. I mean that that shit, that

546
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: city eats guys up like that. You're not. I mean,

547
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I remember guys like Jeremy Shack. I mean that's why

548
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: the great Jeremy Shockey was a great New York giant,

549
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: just not ready for the city quite right. If you

550
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: go to the history of New York, go look at

551
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: their stars. Jeter, Aaron Judge, Eli Manning, what's the theme

552
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: go home? All about the sport, grown ups with the media,

553
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: good background, adult, you know, relationships with family. It's funny.

554
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Jeter close to his family, Eli Manning, Brunson's dad in

555
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: the NBA, Aaron Judge. A lot of times they're small

556
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: town guys. If you come to New York as a

557
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: star a Rod, you're a big free agent and you

558
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: get all this expectation, it eats you up. Jalen's the

559
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: opposite cast off for Dallas. All he has to do

560
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: is prove stuff Like Villanova. He is your classic. I mean,

561
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: Eli Manning went to Ole, Miss Jeter struggled to the

562
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: minor leagues. Who's Aaron Judge, He's from Fresno, New York

563
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: has a prototype. You're a little overlooked, undervalued, good background, family, college.

564
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: I think that's so the league's getting so young, that

565
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: these older players that can bring maturity to me. Jason,

566
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's like I say about Lebron,

567
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: It's like Lebron, it could be a you know, he's

568
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: like a coach, general manager, star on the floor. He's

569
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: thinking about who am I, who should I have relationships with,

570
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Who can I elevate, who should be on the floor

571
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: with me. I mean he's thinking through every possession and

572
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: every game. I don't know. I just can't say enough

573
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: about Brunson. I think he is New York's next star.

574
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I love him. I think he's the best quarterback in

575
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: that city.

576
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: To his credit too, like he signed up for this

577
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: like the MAVs.

578
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: It was.

579
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: It was a little different in the annual value, but

580
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: the total contract value that the MAVs offered him was

581
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: pretty close to what the Knicks offered him. He straight

582
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: up said, I want it. I want the pressure. I

583
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: want Like he signed up for what New York brought

584
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: to the table, and he's not just thrived in that environment,

585
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: he's completely exceeded expectations. We have a couple of big

586
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: Knicks fans that helped produce soups tonight, and I talked

587
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: with them about this behind the scenes, and like it's

588
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: crazy how that one singular signing transformed the entire landscape

589
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: of the knickt future because they got, like, think about

590
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Brown just signed a deal where in the final

591
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: year he's gonna make like seventy million, Okay, like in

592
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson's making in the twenties, and he's giving you

593
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: superstar production. Like it's crazy. It's crazy what that one

594
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: move has done for that franchise.

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Speaker 2: he's on an incredible run, flashing like true superstar upside.

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Speaker 2: And so like a month ago, I was actually pitching

641
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: on my show, I was like call the nets and

642
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: be like, here's Jonathan Kaminga, Andrew Wiggins and Moses Moody.

643
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Give me Michale Bridges like a legit number two for

644
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: Steph and Dorian Finney Smith.

645
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: That way we have some two really versatile two way

646
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: forwards to.

647
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: Put between Draymond and Stephen Clay and go make another

648
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: run at this thing. Cominga's made that not an option anymore.

649
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 2: Like he's just so he's so damn good that you

650
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: can't afford to let go of that upside.

651
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: Here's the problem. He's twenty one.

652
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Speaker 2: So like like we talked about last year in the finals,

653
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Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior is twenty five, and he struggled on

654
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: that stage. It is a it is very much a

655
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: man's game when you get to the later rounds of

656
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs. And so here's the thing, Like, I

657
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: feel more sure than ever that Kaminga has star upside,

658
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: but I also everything of NBA history tells me that

659
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: he's not gonna push Steph into title contention this year either.

660
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: And so they're kind of in this weird thing where

661
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: it feels like a gap year in a lot of ways,

662
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: because they can look.

663
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Speaker 3: To make a move.

664
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Speaker 2: They I know they've looked to move Andrew Wiggins. I'm

665
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: sure they've looked at all these sorts of ancillary moves,

666
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Speaker 2: and they may still make a move for like a

667
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: Dorian Finney Smith from the Nets and just like a

668
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: throw like Moses Moody and another one of their smaller contracts.

669
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: That way, for a veteran forward, they might call Orlando

670
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: and get a backup center or something along those lines,

671
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: like a Wendell Carter Jr. Who knows, But none of

672
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: those guys are really transforming their outlook within the scope

673
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: of this season, I think, like in a lot of ways,

674
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Speaker 2: especially with Steph only being thirty five. And Steve Kurt

675
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: basically said this in his press or the other night.

676
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: He goes, We're not gonna get anything better in the

677
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: trade deadline than Chris Paul coming back to shore up

678
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: the bench, then Gary Payton coming back to shore up

679
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: their perimeter defense, and then Jonathan Kaminga's rise is an

680
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: influx of talent its own way, and they're actually starting

681
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: to trust him a little bit more at the end

682
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Speaker 2: of games.

683
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Speaker 3: Steph in a big.

684
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: Possession against Brooklyn last night, just threw the ball to

685
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: Kamina in the post and got out of the way

686
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: and he drew a fout got to the foul line.

687
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: He's actually been really gifted at getting defenders out of

688
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: position and getting to the foul line this year. So

689
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: like it's weird because in a weird way, it kind

690
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: of turns this year into a gap year because I

691
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: don't think they have enough. But Kminga's upside is more

692
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Speaker 2: than enough to make up for that in the big picture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean again, he's twenty one. I think

694
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: we forget college football players come with three to four

695
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: years they're on a college campus. These kids, you put

696
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: them in the NBA, they can't go to the hotel, lobby, bar,

697
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: they're kids just and then then you bring them in

698
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: Jason and they're not getting any real game time minutes,

699
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: so they're not getting they're not you know, in the NFL,

700
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Speaker 1: even a rookie who's kind of a miss, he's on

701
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Speaker 1: the field, he's on special teams. So you can only

702
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: do so much with practice in your eight preseason game.

703
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: So I have a soft spot for like the Comingas

704
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: when especially they run a system that catch and react

705
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: system that is not for nineteen year olds, Like it's

706
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: just it eats people up. So to me, Cominga's always

707
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: looked the part length, twitchiness, vertical hungry. It's just a

708
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: matter of time. Wiseman I always thought was a weird fit.

709
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Speaker 1: I don't think Kaminga's weird fit at all. I think

710
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Speaker 1: he fits. I just think he's a kid. And this

711
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: is I mean, you're talking about a sophisticated offense that's

712
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: almost European the way it plays, it's functioning. I mean,

713
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Russell came there and had years in the league.

714
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: They spit him out. They were just like not interested

715
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: the guys that have worked Iggy bog It, you know,

716
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: like older Wiggins, older veteran players that can come in

717
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: and find a spot. So I'm I'm glad to see

718
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: sort of cominga flourishing because I do think he looks

719
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Speaker 1: the part. I think he's a really special athlete. Let's

720
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Speaker 1: go back east to the Sixers. I'm zigzagging here, but

721
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: if for our podcast audience, I want both coasts. I

722
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: don't want to bore you with too much leftter coast.

723
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Speaker 1: So I defend the NBA on the Joel Mbiat injury. First,

724
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: it was random. A guy fell on his knee. It happens. Secondly,

725
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: the NBA didn't want to create this structure where you

726
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: have to play seventy nine percent of your games. They

727
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. They created it because when

728
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: the TV contract is up. Advertisers came to them and said, yeah,

729
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Speaker 1: it'd be nice if Yannis was available for the Saturday

730
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Speaker 1: night game. We're paying, you know, eight hundred thousand dollars

731
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Speaker 1: a commercial. And it became sort of a three year

732
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Speaker 1: load management pattern, which there's no data to suggest that

733
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Speaker 1: it makes you better. We've learned that this year that

734
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: the load management's a lot of nonsense. So the league says, Okay,

735
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: we're a players league, but we needed to play more games.

736
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Speaker 1: So you know, you can argue, well, Embiid shouldn't have

737
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Speaker 1: been playing, but Embiid missed his first two years because

738
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Speaker 1: of injuries. He's had chronic injuries as many bigs do.

739
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Speaker 1: It was going to happen. He's been hurt every year,

740
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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to blame the league on this.

741
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Speaker 1: But we got into this discussion the other day and

742
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Speaker 1: the name I threw out because I'm old. Somebody said,

743
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Speaker 1: who is Embiid if he never wins a title? Because

744
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: all the bigs have dominated. I watched my first game

745
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: in seventy two with Wilt titles, Kareem titles, Shack titles,

746
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: a Keem titles, Duncan big titles, and all of a sudden,

747
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, is he ewing? Bob Lanier, who again

748
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: at my age was a dominant big showed up in

749
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: bud Light or Miller Lite commercials, whatever it was. But

750
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Speaker 1: I think that's what Embid is. I think you have

751
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: to look at him like Ewing and Ewing got to

752
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: two finals. You have to look at Embiad and say, listen, injuries,

753
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: weird teammates. But I can't make him a top thirty

754
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Speaker 1: player ever. He statistically great, He's the closest thing to Shack.

755
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: But for bigs, you know, in a sport where you

756
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: have a genetic advantage, you're seven too, Like, I'm gonna

757
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: hold you kind of accountable for trophies. They've never been

758
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: to the conference finals. We always bang on quarterbacks that

759
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: don't win Super Bowls, but there's limitations on what you

760
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: can do with twenty two guys on the field. I

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Speaker 1: want Biggs dowin trophies. Is that a fair criticism of Himbati.

762
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Speaker 1: He's not a top thirty player, He's just a top

763
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Speaker 1: thirty talent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, he was having one of the best regular seasons

766
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Speaker 2: that we've ever seen before. He got hurt this year,

767
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: But like he was also having one of the best

768
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: regular seasons we've ever seen last year, and then the

769
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: knee started to break down, got to the postseason, and

770
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: his jump shots started missing, and then all of a sudden,

771
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: everything kind of fell off for him. He kind of

772
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: reminds me of that conversation we were having earlier involving

773
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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum and Anthony Edwards, where he has attached a

774
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Speaker 2: good amount of his success to jump shooting. Like to

775
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic's credit, most of his shot making is like

776
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: little push shots and hook shots that are around the basket,

777
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Speaker 2: which have more like playoff, you know, resiliency, so to speak,

778
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: Like it just translates better to that phase. Like last year,

779
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: Joel Embiie knocked down all those little face up jab

780
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: step jumpers in the regular season, and then he couldn't

781
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: make him over Al Horford and all of a sudden,

782
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: the bottom fell out for him. So, but I think

783
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Speaker 2: it's important to acknowledge the injuries, and some of that's

784
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Speaker 2: outside of his control. Some of that also is kind

785
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: of historically, you know, not exactly the most shocking thing

786
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Speaker 2: in the world for a player his size to kind

787
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Speaker 2: of encounter some recurring injuries on that front, I think

788
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Speaker 2: the tougher question is as it pertains to the NBA

789
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: regular season, is like you might have to super load

790
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: manage Joel Embiid from now on. You might have to

791
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: literally hold him down to fifty games in a season

792
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: and never let him play more than three times in

793
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Speaker 2: a week, or do whatever it is you've got to

794
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Speaker 2: do to maintain his knee, because if the issue is

795
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Speaker 2: he's hurt every year in the playoffs, then you have

796
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Speaker 2: to find a way to get him there. You have

797
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Speaker 2: to find a way to get him there. And you

798
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Speaker 2: know what that might involve, not chasing seventy points against

799
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Speaker 2: the Spurs. That might involve taking more nights off along

800
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Speaker 2: the way. And like you know, as far as the

801
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: six sixty five game limit thing goes, because our colleague

802
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: Draymond Green came out critical of it the other day too.

803
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: To me, it's kind of it is directed criticism in

804
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: the sense that, like, I think a limit like that

805
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: makes some sense. It's an award, it's a regular season award.

806
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: You should participate in the regular season if you're gonna

807
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: get that award. The bigger issue is if you don't

808
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: let the press affect your salary. Take that part out.

809
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: That's the part I don't understand. Make it so that

810
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: the people voting on the award aren't directly affecting your

811
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Speaker 2: ability to negotiate your salary.

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Speaker 3: That's where the issue is because I.

813
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Speaker 2: Want players to play more frequently, but I don't want

814
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Speaker 2: them to play on a bum knee for money. That's

815
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Speaker 2: where it becomes an issue.

816
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Speaker 1: So here's my thing, Jason. If I said to you, listen,

817
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw with your base salary, Jason at

818
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: the volume, I'm not gonna screw with your fame, your

819
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: personal life. I'm not gonna screw with your social media money,

820
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: your shoe money, but your bonuses. You have to hit

821
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Speaker 1: eighty eight podcasts a year. I don't think that's outrageous.

822
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Speaker 1: I mean, if Fox came to me, Colin, We're not

823
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Speaker 1: gonna scoo with your salary, your social the volume, but

824
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: that six hundred thousand dollars bonus a year. You gotta

825
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: work two hundred and eleven days on the year. That's

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Speaker 1: all the NBA is saying, we don't want to touch

827
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Speaker 1: any of your money. And these guys now make social

828
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Speaker 1: shoes overseas advertisements you're not getting the bonus, you're not

829
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Speaker 1: getting the plaque money. We're out on that. I think

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Speaker 1: that's incredibly, incredibly reasonable reasonable. Okay, Now that this isn't

831
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Speaker 1: a because I love the NBA and I now I

832
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: pivot every year early I would say mid to late January,

833
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: I kind of pivot to the NBA, and I just

834
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm so deep into college and pro football stuff. I

835
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: just can't do it, of course, And so over the

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00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: last I would say two weeks. Now I'm watching a

837
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: game a night, sometimes to a night. So two things

838
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: can be true. As a sport in America gets more international,

839
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: the quality of the sport is better, but it doesn't

840
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: help attendance or ratings because the sport becomes less domestic

841
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: and less recognized. So hockey and baseball and now the

842
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: NBA are much more international. Arguably best players now international players.

843
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: Certainly in the NBA, we're on a heater now about

844
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: four or five years. All the MVPSGA, Luca Embiid, Yannis

845
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: Wemby by next year late okay, so Jokich, So that

846
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't worry about the NBA in terms of stability aesthetic.

847
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Some have criticized the way it looks. I don't worry

848
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: about that. Playoffs come mid range, basketball comes right back, guys,

849
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: meat buckets. But I do think in terms of ratings,

850
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: I think the NBA, to get the seventy five billion

851
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: they want, is going to have to spread it out.

852
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: It'll be less dependable on significant one, big, significant network.

853
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: It's getting more international, and unless you follow European leagues,

854
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: which people don't unless they're diehards, you're not going to

855
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: really see them in March madness. They're going to go

856
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: to bad teams finally make an imprint in the playoffs.

857
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Wemby By year three now Wemby again is already iconic.

858
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: It feels like but that the NBA will be less

859
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: viewed going forward. The basketball will be better, the playoffs

860
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: will be intense, but it will be thin. It will

861
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: be international, like hockey and baseball. I mean, hockey looks

862
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: so much better today than ten years ago. It's so

863
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: much faster. I mean, baseball is insane. Oh Tani is

864
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: significantly better than Babe Ruth. The quality of the NBA's

865
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: it's off the hook. It's just I mean, the idea,

866
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: the reason you can't stop anybody is because seven footers

867
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: can pull up for threes. You have to defend them.

868
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: So there's no bigs in the paint, and you don't

869
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: have a hand checks, you can't stop anybody. There's a

870
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: real at last night Hawks Clippers, it's three hundred points.

871
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: Guys were trying. There's nobody in the basket because the bigs.

872
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: Are so much skill.

873
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: The Plumbly is a rare guy that doesn't shoot a three.

874
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: It's like when you see Plumbly, it's like, ah, a

875
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties player. I can guard the basket. So the

876
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: way I look at the I do worry about it.

877
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: If we're gonna talk about ratings, I just think in

878
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: a more distracted society, it's not gonna be a great

879
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: ratings league. It's gonna be a great talent league. Is

880
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: that a reasonable appraisal going forward?

881
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree with you.

882
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: I actually think I think they could lose ground even

883
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: on the on those like specific TV ratings numbers, because

884
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: I think attention span is getting less and less and

885
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: the league is becoming more and more of an inventory sport.

886
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: Like they're adding the N season tournament, they're adding people

887
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: play in tournament. They're just it is very much like

888
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: you're not getting the Like I saw the number from

889
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: the AFC Championship game. It was like half a Super.

890
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: Bowl, you know what I mean.

891
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: Like it's like you're not getting those kinds of numbers

892
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: from an NBA slate where it's like you the Lakers

893
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: play the Nuggets TNT major game on Thursday, kind of

894
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: a big game too, Like the Lakers are on a

895
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: three game winning streak, like they could they beat Denver

896
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: on Thursday, kind of changes the tone and tenor of

897
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: their season in so many different ways. They also could

898
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: lose by forty and it could be nothing, because that's

899
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: just the reality of the way the NBA season is

900
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: set up. And so to me I look at it

901
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: is I look at it more optimistically, just in the

902
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 2: sense that I don't ever really see the NBA as

903
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: being the huge, gigantic rating draw in a singular contest

904
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: the way that the NFL is. It is an inventory sport,

905
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: and I think that expands to the global potential too,

906
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: just the ability to earn you know, little bits and

907
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: pieces of income from a ton of different sources rather

908
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 2: than these big singular events, if that makes sense.

909
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also I feel you know, a lot

910
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: of the people are intellectually dishonest. If you don't like

911
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: the NBA, keep it to yourself. I love the NBA,

912
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: and my criticisms are based on I love it. Here's

913
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: what I see. So I've watched the same number of

914
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: NBA for as long as I can remember. I watch

915
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: football until about mid January, February starts, I start getting

916
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: into it, and by I'll take a vacation for a

917
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: week after the football season, all kind of unplug from sports.

918
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: I come back and I'm into the NFL free agency

919
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and I'm watching a game or two

920
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: every night. So and I think the quality is off

921
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: the hook. But I do think international players have a

922
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: couple of advantages. They get into those academies and play

923
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: against older men early. They don't have the distractions of

924
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: our domestic players. You know, they don't. They're just over

925
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: there in Lithuania working on hoops, playing against older men.

926
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: They don't have the social media platforms like we do

927
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: over here. They have them, but they're not. I mean,

928
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: America is different, you know, it's just we're staring. Yeah,

929
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: so they have and so our guys come in distracted.

930
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean, a Jamarant Zion. They're stars when they're like

931
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. Meanwhile, Wemby can come in here and

932
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: frankly kind of hide. Except for diehards. Yannas sort of

933
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: hid for four years. Jokich absolutely hid for five. Yes,

934
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: so our guys can't hide. Ja Morant comes in, he's

935
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: a star. Zion's a star. So I think there's some advantage.

936
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: It's just to be in the international player. I don't

937
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: think the AU system big picture, makes our players better.

938
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: I think it makes them something. I'm not sure what

939
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: it is. Steve Kerry guys like that, but I don't

940
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: think the NBA they're going to get their money. We

941
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: all need content, we all need content. I just saw

942
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: Fox ESPN. Warner Brothers just started a new streaming service,

943
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: so it's like, listen, the games are going to be played.

944
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: And the reason they're doing that so they can afford

945
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: other sports to go up against Apple and Amazon. But

946
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: I think the league's fine. But I think what's happened

947
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: Jason is everything outside of the NFL is niche. By

948
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: the way, everything in Canada outside of hockey is niche.

949
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: Everything in England outside of the English Premier League is niche.

950
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: You just have to own It's okay. Every country has

951
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: the sport. Cricket is the national pastime. In England, nobody

952
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: watches it, right, It's a soccer country. So I think

953
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: the NBA is in great shape because I do believe,

954
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: just like a podcast or a radio show, if your

955
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: content's good, you're fine. Whatever's happening to the platforms, the

956
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: content of the NBA's really good, so it's fine.

957
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: It's built for social media. The highlights are completely insane.

958
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: It can be digested in smaller portions. As a matter

959
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: of fact, Like to your point, it's like the NBA's

960
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: awesome at everything except for the big singular TV event.

961
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: That's kind of like their biggest weakness in so many ways,

962
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: even extending into the NBA playoffs. I mean, we watched

963
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: you and I watched the Lakers last year literally deliberately

964
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: punt games in the playoffs, like they went through Memphis

965
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: and Golden State in the exact same pathway they were

966
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 2: like win game one, who cares?

967
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: Game two?

968
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: Win Game three and four? Who cares Game five? Like

969
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: there's just so much less urgency on a night to

970
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: night basis, And I don't even think that can be recreated.

971
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: It's not possible. I mean, the NFL's urgency extends into

972
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: the regular season. It's the craziest thing. It's appointment television.

973
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: I have all my family and friends, very few of

974
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: them watch NBA basketball. All of them watched the NFL.

975
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: It is so much more culturally resonant. And my thing is, like,

976
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm not of the opinion that the NBA should even

977
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: be compared to the NFL. The NFL is like an

978
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: entirely different entity. But the NBA in and of its

979
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: own kind of self is succeeding in a lot of

980
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: different ways, and I think it's getting better. I think

981
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned the officiator or the playoffs. When

982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: you get to the playoffs and things kind of get better.

983
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing to me, is like officiating, to me,

984
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: is one of the bigger issues in the NBA, and

985
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: then we get to the playoffs and they kind of

986
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: get it right, you know, So like so like, even

987
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: on that front, I feel like I'm kind of nitpicking.

988
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: So like I'm generally an NBA optimist, I'm just a

989
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: realist in the sense that they'll never ever compete with

990
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: the NFL.

991
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I worked. I'm at FS one. It's number

992
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: two to ESPN, to Very Good Life. There's so many

993
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: advantages to not being the NFL. The scrutiny in the

994
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: NFL game to game is insane. They flush out seven

995
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: coaches a year. I mean, a quarterback basically gets to

996
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving of a second year and if you're not

997
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: good upstairs, they're moving on. Zion has had a weight

998
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: issue for four years and they're still in on him.

999
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: So there's advantages of being two. A lot of people

1000
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: at PEPSI made a lot of money. I think to

1001
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: your point, I don't think you worry about anything other

1002
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: than I will say I've always believed that college basketball

1003
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: has a place in the NBA. I think you can

1004
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of get you they. I wouldn't know Zion without him.

1005
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: It's for the casual fan. You meet these stars in

1006
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: March and it's like, oh my god, I want to

1007
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: watch Zion. He doesn't play at Duke. He's just another

1008
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Green. I mean, the has no idea who Jayleen

1009
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: Green is. So my only knock on Adam silver As.

1010
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: I wish he would just say to college basketball, hey,

1011
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of a microwavable version of us. You get

1012
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: three weeks where everybody watches the sport. Then you wrap

1013
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: your arms around Zion in college basketball and you can

1014
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: get some of those college basketball people that feed into

1015
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: the NBA. I've never thought the Listen, you can make

1016
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: an argument, the more popular your college sport is, the

1017
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: more popular the league is. So college football is number one, NFL,

1018
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: number two is college basketball, NBA three is the College

1019
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: World Series Baseball four, and then then college hockey right

1020
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: like so, So I mean, if you look at it,

1021
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: you're the more popular your minor league system is. It

1022
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: absolutely is a push in your major league platform. So

1023
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I think the NBA's fine.

1024
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: I did you like the nd season tournament?

1025
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Thought it was great.

1026
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: I don't understand the good it was amazing. First, Adam

1027
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: Silver's bat in one thousand.

1028
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: So, first of all, if you're upset about Taylor Swift

1029
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: or purple basketball courts, get a life, like who gives

1030
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: a shit? Secondly, is there's no question when I watched

1031
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: those games. I mean Lebron was first of all, he

1032
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: shot fifty seven percent. He was all in. So when

1033
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: your stars buy in, I'm like, Okay, Lebron's I mean

1034
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: the Lakers played like it was playoff basketball Lebron in

1035
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: his twentieth year, nineteenth year. So again people are nitpicking.

1036
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: I thought the n season tournament, I don't say it's

1037
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: a home run, stand up double quality of it. I

1038
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: mean Indiana was playing or aresof Lakers were playing their butt.

1039
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: The players, they felt like games.

1040
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: I thought they bought into it way more than I

1041
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: would have. I first I thought this is hoky, and

1042
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: then I watched like my second game on the court,

1043
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, these guys are playing, this is like,

1044
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: what was it December? I'm like November. I'm like, these

1045
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: guys are all out.

1046
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1047
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: It was exactly the tent pole that the regular season needed,

1048
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: because like the NBA season, it's kind of like you

1049
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: go through two thirds of it and then there's the

1050
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: trade deadline, then there's like the stretch run, but it's

1051
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: almost like a big sink in the middle there and sometimes,

1052
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: like like Colin, I don't blame you for not watching

1053
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: the NBA in December and January. It can be not

1054
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: only can it be a little boring, it can also

1055
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 2: be it can also give you a lot of really

1056
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 2: fake results, like the Utah Jazz went won a bunch

1057
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: of games in a row in the middle of January.

1058
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: You know, like like this, this is the time of

1059
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: year where like youth and athleticism kind of rises to

1060
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: the surface in so many different ways. And the NBA

1061
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: needed something a tent pole between the start of the

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Speaker 2: season and the trade deadline, and that what the that's

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Speaker 2: what The n Season Tournament served as a breakup of

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Speaker 1: Also, the NFL has taken away their number one marketing day,

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Speaker 1: Christmas to some degree. So the NBA is like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to take that away or minimize it there,

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Speaker 1: we're going to create an n season tournament before you

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Speaker 1: get to your tournament. So it's all listen in. The

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Speaker 1: NFL has always been playing around with the calendar. I

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Speaker 1: think I think Adam said, okay, you're going to f

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Speaker 1: us on Christmas and we're going to create urgent. By

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Speaker 1: the way, some of those plan games got numbers. These

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Speaker 1: commissioners used to be buddies. Now it's now you're all

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Speaker 1: fighting for Amazon Modey. Nobody's buddies anymore. So the NFL

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Speaker 1: moved free agency moved into Christmas, and the NBA says,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to create urgency before I thought it worked.

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Speaker 1: And also, the NBA has always been about the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline on it's in my everybody's at fifty games now,

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Speaker 1: so you get to about game fifty five sixty, everybody

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Speaker 1: tightens everything up, the rotations get tightened up. You coach

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Speaker 1: with an eye on the playoffs. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a great stretch run. I think Boston and Denver

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Speaker 1: the best teams. Neither has a good bench, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's some Milwaukee's Lakers, Phoenix, Oklahoma City, Minnesota. Can't

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Speaker 1: wait to watch it. Jason Timp hoops tonight fifty minutes.

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Speaker 1: We'll do more of this stuff. It's great seeing you.

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Speaker 1: You're crushing. You're going to see a lot of adjacent

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Speaker 1: stuff on my feed now as I kind of go

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Speaker 1: heavy football and now the NBA is getting good. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell y'all, say what you want. Give the Clippers

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Speaker 1: a chance. If you're listening to this podcast, it is

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Speaker 1: beautiful basketball. It is no high usage rate, tremendous movement.

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Speaker 1: Next time we'll we'll talk Oklahoma City Thunder. We're not

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Speaker 1: ignoring Demver, Minnesota, but watch the Clippers. Play if you're

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Speaker 1: a casual that is good basketball. That is beautiful basketball,

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Speaker 1: ball movement, shot makers, shot creators, mid range, post ins, transition,

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Speaker 1: It's great.

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Speaker 2: Final thoughts, Paulin, I just wanted to say congrats to

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Speaker 2: you on three years with the volume. It's crazy because

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Speaker 2: like a year ago, you and I had a similar

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Speaker 2: conversation about how crazy the growth has been, and even

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Speaker 2: in the years since, it's been even crazier.

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Speaker 3: Like I've been.

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Speaker 2: I just have to say, obviously being a part of

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Speaker 2: it has been an honor, but like getting to see

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Speaker 2: what you've built and from what it was at the

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Speaker 2: beginning to what it is now, it's just incredibly impressive.

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Speaker 2: And I just wanted to say congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're really valuable to us, and I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think the thing we lean in, we lean into some gambling, NBA,

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Speaker 1: NFL and strong opinions, and you're such a unique voice

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Speaker 1: in basketball. You know, we got Jenkins and Jones who

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Speaker 1: culturally are so important to us, Draymond Green the player,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think there's anybody in the country that

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Speaker 1: breaks it down like you. I think you give people

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Speaker 1: a really data driven, smart former player context that matters.

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Speaker 1: It's not you know, listen. I get called a hot

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Speaker 1: take guy, but I've said before I can't watch every game.

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Speaker 1: I've got to cover all these sports, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you broad views of stuff you really dig deep.

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Speaker 1: I think it's necessary and I think you're the best

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Speaker 1: in the country at it, and I love it so

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Speaker 1: good See Anyboddy.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you too, Colin. Looking forward to next.

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Speaker 1: Time Oops tonight. Jason Timpf Money at the volume, the volume,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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