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Speaker 3: Welcome back into the Miller Lite Dallas Cowboys Draft Show.
Speaker 3: Very excited we are one day away? Does this feel
Speaker 3: real now? Friends? I mean, this is like Holy Cow.
Speaker 3: It is the night before. It is like Christmas Eve
Speaker 3: for us, all the draft preparation, it is finally here
Speaker 3: Aisha Morrison with us. Here, Brian brought us, Nick Harris,
Speaker 3: I'm Zach Wilchuck Brian at somebody that's gotten to live this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Now the Hayes inthebarn as you would say, or is
Speaker 3: there still some tinkering and maybe some nervous ticks, like
Speaker 3: we're gonna go ahead and still have some debates and
Speaker 3: conversations the night of Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think right now where it is is it's about
Speaker 2: the mechanics of the draft and how you feel like
Speaker 2: that maybe some of this might fall ahead of you
Speaker 2: and potentially what can come from the rear of the
Speaker 2: draft and I mean, you know, the guys down at
Speaker 2: the bottom, the Buffalo's, the Baltimore's, the Kansas City's, the
Speaker 2: San Francisco's. Maybe there's somebody in the top of the
Speaker 2: second round that's going to come diving up there, and
Speaker 2: you have to be prepared that if you're a guys
Speaker 2: sitting there, that there's a possibly that you might lose
Speaker 2: your guy. So it's very nerve wracking right now. But
Speaker 2: they're really just working on the mechanics of how this
Speaker 2: thing is going to fall, just like what we've been
Speaker 2: doing with mock drafts discussions. The pro guys are working
Speaker 2: the phones. You got buddies around the league that you
Speaker 2: really trust, and maybe they're not anywhere near you on
Speaker 2: the board, but maybe you got a friend of yours
Speaker 2: that a team that's say fifteen spots ahead of you,
Speaker 2: and you're like, hey, what are you hearing? Man? Okay,
Speaker 2: and then he I remember in a draft, the Marcus
Speaker 2: Ware Draft, I got on the phone with John Gruden,
Speaker 2: who was ahead of us at Tampa, and that's when
Speaker 2: John took Cadillac Williams, the running back from Alburn, and
Speaker 2: I asked John, I said, Hey, if you were to
Speaker 2: take a defensive player, who would you take? And he
Speaker 2: said I would take where. I'm like okay, and he goes.
Speaker 2: I think the only player he goes, The only player
Speaker 2: that I'm hearing defensively that people would trade up for
Speaker 2: in this draft is where. And so I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's great information. So yeah, you're trading a lot of
Speaker 2: information with your buddies. You're trying to get an idea
Speaker 2: what's happening behind you. Again, it's all very very important
Speaker 2: because you just don't want to get caught off guard that. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're sitting there, everything looks comfortable, everything looks good,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, a curveball's thrown your
Speaker 2: direction and you have to be ready to adapt to
Speaker 2: change to did we work the phones enough to where
Speaker 2: we could trade back if we have to? So the
Speaker 2: board set, stack set, Uh, everything looks pretty up there
Speaker 2: right now. You just wish those tags would start glowing
Speaker 2: for all the Hall of Fame players, Yeah that are
Speaker 2: going to be in this class. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: it's an exciting time and you know you could sit
Speaker 2: back and take a breath, but you just want to
Speaker 2: make sure you have everything kind of buttoned up with
Speaker 2: all your details, all your notes, and then have your
Speaker 2: uh how have your scenarios ready if something were to happen.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll get into some of those scenarios here with
Speaker 3: a little mock draft simulation kind of see maybe what
Speaker 3: happens around the Cowboys pick. But yesterday, of course we
Speaker 3: had the pre draft presser, Nick, you were there and
Speaker 3: you got to ask the question about, Hey, the trick
Speaker 3: you asked the only draft quick the trade back? I mean,
Speaker 3: how we feel. What were some of your takeaways from that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was we were able to get a
Speaker 4: draft question, and I was super excited about it.
Speaker 2: I know you were.
Speaker 3: I was just waiting the whole time draft calls.
Speaker 2: Get ready, Nick's gonna ask one right here?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, But I asked about, you know, not having
Speaker 4: those middle round picks, is there more of an intrigue
Speaker 4: towards potentially trading.
Speaker 5: Back if your guy is not there at twenty four?
Speaker 4: And Jerry Jones said it's very likely to have an
Speaker 4: opportunity to do that, given the right people left on
Speaker 4: the board or the wrong people gone off the board,
Speaker 4: and the right trade. Later on he said, really, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of variables here as to whether you'd go
Speaker 4: up or down.
Speaker 5: Obviously, we'd like to have some mid round picks.
Speaker 4: So you take that and you understand, you know, you
Speaker 4: know kind of where their board is, and you would
Speaker 4: have to you know, I guess a little bit from
Speaker 4: our point of view obviously, But for me, again, I
Speaker 4: still feel like if there's a certain handful of guys
Speaker 4: that are not there at twenty four, I think there's
Speaker 4: an opportunity to trade back. You look at Buffalo, you
Speaker 4: look at Kansas City, both of those teams potentially looking
Speaker 4: to move up and take a receiver. I think you
Speaker 4: could also look at Baltimore in that same sense, moving
Speaker 4: up to take a guy, whether that be a receiver
Speaker 4: or an offensive lineman. Granted, that would probably hurt the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: but they'd be able to move back six spots and
Speaker 4: still pick up some draft capital if they like multiple
Speaker 4: guys still there late in the first round. But the
Speaker 4: way it's it's kind of shaping up right now, and
Speaker 4: all the smoke that's kind of coming out out of
Speaker 4: you know, potential Day one trades is teams are either
Speaker 4: going to be moving up for receivers or they're moving
Speaker 4: up for offensive linemen.
Speaker 5: And if you are the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Are you comfortable letting a team move up to take
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman that you potentially would have taken if
Speaker 4: that means you can get more picks in the next
Speaker 4: couple of days. So you know, that's probably the conversation
Speaker 4: that they're having up there, and those are the things
Speaker 4: you weigh out. I think for me, I think there
Speaker 4: is a healthy handful of guys there in that twenty
Speaker 4: four to thirty five range that you can grab at
Speaker 4: any point and I think be comfortable with. Obviously you'd
Speaker 4: have some above others and things of that nature, but
Speaker 4: if your first round, if your first round guys are gone,
Speaker 4: then maybe you look into that and maybe look into
Speaker 4: doing that. For me, again, it's Troy Falton, who JC
Speaker 4: Latham and Graham Barton. If those three guys are off
Speaker 4: the board, I'm getting on the phone, and I think,
Speaker 4: as of right now, this is just my personal belief
Speaker 4: is Kansas City's the most likely opportunity.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I wanted to ask you guys,
Speaker 2: And we've did the We did the show where we
Speaker 2: traded back and we kind of talked about what you
Speaker 2: could get out of that. The threes and the fourth
Speaker 2: depending on where you get to handicapped teams that are
Speaker 2: more likely to trade up behind you. If you had
Speaker 2: to say Baltimore, Buffalo, San Francisco, Kansas City rank them,
Speaker 2: because I in my mind, I don't see the Ravens
Speaker 2: as a trade up team.
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Ravens to me, have always had a history of they
Speaker 2: sit there and the best player falls right to them.
Speaker 2: As likes to talk about chaos. Ozzie Knewsim and that
Speaker 2: crew over there. The chaos. It's the old meme where
Speaker 2: the building's burning and everybody in the little little character
Speaker 2: standing there as things. It's okay, that's the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 2: to me. But if I had to handicap the teams
Speaker 2: that could be super aggressive here, I don't know what
Speaker 2: an order I would put him in between Baltimore, San
Speaker 2: Francisco and Kansas City.
Speaker 3: I do think Buffalo is the team for me. I'd
Speaker 3: foret one Buffalo because I think you mentioned I think
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean likes that.
Speaker 2: I think you just too.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked if we saw Buffalo get super aggressive.
Speaker 3: They try and go with Atlanta Falcon. Julio Jones ask like
Speaker 3: they say, Hey, we want Roma doun Za, right, we
Speaker 3: want one of these elite top three receivers, and they're
Speaker 3: trying to talk to move up into the top ten
Speaker 3: of this draft. I could see Buffalo pulling the trigger
Speaker 3: on something wild like that.
Speaker 6: I can see that as well, just because there's some
Speaker 6: pressure there in that organization with how they've not you know,
Speaker 6: risen to the occasion and obviously the loss of Stefan
Speaker 6: Diggs this offseason as well. To your point, Yeah, they
Speaker 6: very well could be trying to make sure they get
Speaker 6: a receiver in there to make sure they can continue
Speaker 6: to do what they want offensively.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think, I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 3: you agree. I youah, I'd probably go Buffalo, Kansas City,
Speaker 3: San Francisco, and then Baltimore in that order.
Speaker 7: I would switch San Franco Kansas I.
Speaker 3: Would too maybe. I mean, I'm trying to just think
Speaker 3: back on when it's San Francisco really moved.
Speaker 2: They did a great trade with you. They drafted the
Speaker 2: safety that the year you took It's so funny, the
Speaker 2: year you took Travis Frederick. Maybe this is the deja
Speaker 2: vous moment here for your Dallas Cowboys. But uh, you know,
Speaker 2: being you probably need a center, and they were they
Speaker 2: but Dallas ended up taking Travis Frederick. They took a safety,
Speaker 2: my lsu safety. But yeah, so it was to me,
Speaker 2: I I think Kansas City. I would rate Kansas City
Speaker 2: over San Francisco on the aggressiveness meter. Buffalo I would
Speaker 2: put in there because you're right about Brandon Bean. Brandon Beans.
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean's attitude is like, listen, if I don't do
Speaker 2: something and we don't win, I'm gonna get fired. Eric
Speaker 2: Eric Reed's the safety was, yeah, there you go. Massive trade.
Speaker 2: They went. They went from the bottom of the draft
Speaker 2: to the middle of the draft. So uh, but let's see.
Speaker 2: I I just wonder what teams if I had to,
Speaker 2: I don't think Baltimore is the team, but I think
Speaker 2: all those other ones are in play.
Speaker 4: I'd go Casey one and two, San fran three, Buffalo
Speaker 4: four Ravens. And because it also has to work for
Speaker 4: both sides, and if it works for the Cowboys, it
Speaker 4: means that they have to pick up capital in this draft.
Speaker 4: You look at what Buffalo has. They don't have a third,
Speaker 4: they do have two fourths, yeah, and then they have
Speaker 4: a mid second. So I don't think that they would
Speaker 4: move off that second, so you'd probably be looking at
Speaker 4: either both of those fourths or a fourth and a fifth.
Speaker 4: That would be kind of the question there. For Kansas
Speaker 4: City first, second, third, fourth, fifth, fifth, seventh, so pretty
Speaker 4: straight down the line. For the forty nine ers first, second, third,
Speaker 4: and then three fourths, so that's something to keep an
Speaker 4: eye on. And then the Ravens first, second, third, two fourths,
Speaker 4: three fourths you said, yeah, three fourths for the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers, one in the trey Lance trade from the
Speaker 4: Cowboys their own pick, and then they got a competitory
Speaker 4: pick as well.
Speaker 7: I ain't gonna give it back. No, they like, we
Speaker 7: already intog it. Why will we give it back?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, let's it would make it a lot easier to stomach,
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 3: Right, let's look at some of the simulation here. What's
Speaker 3: going on around the Cowboys pick at twenty four. This
Speaker 3: stuff always kind of gets me giddy, especially in the
Speaker 3: day before the draft go ahead. This is this is
Speaker 3: interesting because you do have some sliding offensive tackles that
Speaker 3: we like here. Okay, so Fulaga Oregon State ends up
Speaker 3: going to the Bengals at eighteen fell a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think we're looking at him, maybe even going to
Speaker 3: the top ten. Yeah, eighteen, how about Troy Fountain Fountain Faltanu,
Speaker 3: the offensive ttack from Washington goes nineteen to the Rams.
Speaker 3: She got two tackles going eighteen nineteen. Right in front
Speaker 3: of you. Minnesota takes Power Johnson at twenty three. So
Speaker 3: there's a center off the board.
Speaker 2: I am. I know in that situation, Minnesota makes that pick.
Speaker 2: I said this yesterday and I believe it. I think
Speaker 2: this could be New England's pick. I think that might
Speaker 2: be somebody's pick at the when we start this day,
Speaker 2: I could see New England baling out of there on three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that. I know they're talked about. Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I just think that Minnesota someone's going to get a grad.
Speaker 2: Minnesota is, I think, going to get aggressive with that
Speaker 2: third pick if they can get it. I would if
Speaker 2: I was in Dallas's war room, I would be planning
Speaker 2: on somebody else picking ahead of me, other than Minnesota
Speaker 2: at twenty three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chargers also have to be a thought. I think
Speaker 4: Broncos are probably a thought. There's there's a lot of
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I don't think Minnesota is picking at
Speaker 4: twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think they're going to package both their
Speaker 3: picks move up. I think you make a good point
Speaker 3: about Newing.
Speaker 2: I just I just think you have to be again
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf. You know this is Elliott's really the introim
Speaker 2: general manager of needs. Yeah, it has a lot of needs.
Speaker 2: He knows what his team is. He knows he has
Speaker 2: to have a quarterback. How far back can he go
Speaker 2: to get a quarterback? I just think if you're Dallas,
Speaker 2: you have to be ready for somebody else picking in
Speaker 2: front of you. Uh with other than other than the
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings. I think we would but go ahead and
Speaker 2: say it again. Offensive lineman, when did the when was
Speaker 2: the first tackle taken? Do you do you have that
Speaker 2: ability to tell me? Because we talked about when the
Speaker 2: tackle run what's going to start?
Speaker 3: It actually started at nine with the Bears. They told
Speaker 3: Olu Fishanu at nine he was the first tackle off
Speaker 3: the board from Penn State. Alt ends up sliding to
Speaker 3: fourteen in this simulation with the Saints, and then you
Speaker 3: had Mims go sixteen to Seattle, Filuaga eighteen to the Bengals,
Speaker 3: and uh Futanu at nineteen to the Rams.
Speaker 7: The first five is it wide receiver.
Speaker 9: Is it?
Speaker 7: Is it amazing?
Speaker 3: Okay, You've actually got a pretty good selection here of
Speaker 3: guys to choose from. Byron Murphy out of Texas would
Speaker 3: be my highest rated player. Cooper dejene is there, the
Speaker 3: cornerback at Iowa. But then the two guys to the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: I mean we're assuming offensive line. J. C. Latham is
Speaker 3: still there from Bamo, which I know you talked to
Speaker 3: a GM buddy, so there's no way this happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. Yeah. The thing about it is my
Speaker 2: guy was like he when I mentioned the names that
Speaker 2: you know off to what you were talking about, the
Speaker 2: guys that you were holding. I gave him the three
Speaker 2: names that you like and Latham being one of them,
Speaker 2: and he goes, man, Latham ain't gonna be there for
Speaker 2: you guys. Yeah, I think so, he you know, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean this kind of stimulation, I kind
Speaker 2: of redo the simulation.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is accurate at all. But you
Speaker 3: never know.
Speaker 2: That's craziness the draft, the craziness of the draft. But
Speaker 2: I think you have an idea. You're just trying to
Speaker 2: get an idea where this run might start and where
Speaker 2: are you going to be in the run. Are you
Speaker 2: going to you know the fact that it's I'm okay,
Speaker 2: you know with these I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 2: and I issue you've accused me of this, and you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right. I'm hell been on getting a center, I
Speaker 2: really am. I'm feeling the same way and I am
Speaker 2: hell been on that. And because I just feel like
Speaker 2: though that maybe that center can help me more right
Speaker 2: now than that tackle, because I just in my mind,
Speaker 2: I know, and Nick, I know this drives your damn nuts.
Speaker 2: I know in my heart I can move that left
Speaker 2: guard to tackle if I had to.
Speaker 5: It doesn't drive me nuts. I understand it. But it's
Speaker 5: just not my preference.
Speaker 2: But I understand I don't think. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: the Cowboys preference either. Yeah, I don't think it's their
Speaker 2: preference either.
Speaker 3: So in this situation, I think you're right. In terms
Speaker 3: of Latham, Barton and then Guidens, the best tackle left
Speaker 3: out of Oklahoma's those would be probably your top five options.
Speaker 3: That are Aisha Murphy out of Texas, Cooper Degene at Iowa,
Speaker 3: and then the three offensive linemen with Latham, Barton and Geidon.
Speaker 2: I talked to a team that kind of has an
Speaker 2: understanding what Jacksonville wis Jacksonville they had seventeen eighteen eighteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jacksonville went with Robinson at a Penn State
Speaker 3: choson at seventeen.
Speaker 2: But I feel like rich. I feel like, yeah, some
Speaker 2: slander going on there. Uh the uh, it is a
Speaker 2: little rich. The uh Jacksonville. I was getting the hint
Speaker 2: or the whisper that they're looking at corner makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was even asked about your guye Degene. I
Speaker 2: was asked, I was asked about Degene, what do you
Speaker 2: think about him? And they? And but I I gave it.
Speaker 2: I said, you gotta take Mitchell. Mitchell's the guy got
Speaker 2: to take.
Speaker 3: And there was a little bit of a run on
Speaker 3: the corner.
Speaker 2: Arnold's gone. That's I know, you're on your board, on
Speaker 2: your board. Arnold would be the second guy. I think
Speaker 2: I got that right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've got that flip. I've got Arnold one
Speaker 3: and Mitchell too. But Arnold was gone. In this simulation
Speaker 3: at twelve to Denver, They're gonna pair two Alabama corners
Speaker 3: there with certain and Arnold. That's pretty nice. And then
Speaker 3: you had back to back corners go with Mitchell to Miami.
Speaker 3: Nate Wiggins from Clemson ends up going to Philly at
Speaker 3: twenty two. But in this scenario, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are pretty happy at twenty four with Latham and Barton
Speaker 3: both sitting on the board.
Speaker 5: Mitchell to Miami would be nasty. We go ahead, go
Speaker 5: ask question, Mitchell would nasty?
Speaker 2: How would you feel about Wiggins at Philadelphia? Would it
Speaker 2: be like, you know, Okay.
Speaker 3: That's one of those like pentthrows from me. I'm oh,
Speaker 3: that's fine with well, I'm not as high.
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
Speaker 5: I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with Nate Wigans.
Speaker 6: It sounds so terrible, but Philly hasn't shown me they
Speaker 6: know how to really coach cornerback over there as of
Speaker 6: the last so I don't care because they got Sidney
Speaker 6: Brown over there looking christy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've had to go outside the organization, bringing Darius Slay,
Speaker 3: bringing Brad.
Speaker 7: Bearry tired, yeah, safety, Yeah, they've been.
Speaker 3: Any of the guys that they've drafted and tried to develop.
Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right, that.
Speaker 2: Is not like it kind of like giants and the
Speaker 2: Giants and offensive lineman. Yeah. Yeah, they've thrown a lot
Speaker 2: of resources.
Speaker 3: You talk about players, we could be totally wrong about Wiggins.
Speaker 3: Is that guy? For me, I got a tow Wiggins.
Speaker 3: But a lot of people love Nate Wiggins. Man.
Speaker 2: They're scared of that one seventy three guys. Yeah, speed
Speaker 2: is real starting the speed is legit.
Speaker 3: Speed is his best attribute.
Speaker 2: Because a guy asked me in the league this morning,
Speaker 2: he goes, what do you think about Wiggins? And I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 2: he's won seventy three the guys, Yeah he is, And
Speaker 2: I go, but you know the thing about him is
Speaker 2: if he misses on the press, the way he recovers,
Speaker 2: the foot quickness, the speed and all.
Speaker 5: That he can mirror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's that's the I think that's his
Speaker 2: saving grace right now, is that mirror, the ability to
Speaker 2: mirror right there. But we're but we're in good shape
Speaker 2: because in this simulation right here, Barton, okay and lath
Speaker 2: Power ranked the guys that yeah power, Oh you got
Speaker 2: Latham to Power ranked the guys that you have available?
Speaker 7: Oh many, Murphy?
Speaker 6: Who else?
Speaker 3: Latham? Barton Murphy did gene Guiton.
Speaker 5: That's my order that would be mine too. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: my order there.
Speaker 3: And you guys know my affinity for Barton, but I've
Speaker 3: got JC Latham just a little bit higher than him
Speaker 3: on my stack.
Speaker 7: Who's the last guy?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 3: The last guy I put in was Guidon Oklahoma because
Speaker 3: I got Degene graded a little bit higher than Guiden.
Speaker 3: I don't have Guiden in the first I've got Guiden
Speaker 3: into the second round.
Speaker 2: Tackle.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's tough with Latham and Barton. I think that's
Speaker 3: what the war room debate ends up being, do you
Speaker 3: want and then Latham, I assume would be a guard
Speaker 3: to get over myself and there and for them, So
Speaker 3: I mean that comes down to, uh, do you want
Speaker 3: to go ahead and fill your center need with Ram Barton,
Speaker 3: who also has position flex.
Speaker 4: I don't think Latham would necessarily be like a home
Speaker 4: run guard though, like right off rip, I think they
Speaker 4: could go into OTA's going to training camp and see
Speaker 4: what he could do with tackle, and I think he
Speaker 4: could play left tackle for this organization. But especially if
Speaker 4: they feel like they can keep Tyler Smith where they
Speaker 4: want to keep them, I think Jac Latham could play
Speaker 4: left tid.
Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't spent a ton of time talking
Speaker 3: JC Latham because I don't think he's a realistic option.
Speaker 3: But you talk about, you know, adding both these guys.
Speaker 3: That's why I love them. The attitude, the toughness, the physicality.
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing I think we've all seen when
Speaker 3: you watch the Cowboys try to run the football. At
Speaker 3: least last year they struggled to get movement in the
Speaker 3: running game. Both these guys are helping with that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean what I did want to ask
Speaker 6: because Brian brought up you know that you feel like
Speaker 6: the uh, I don't know. Do you feel like tackle
Speaker 6: isn't as important as center? I do think we do
Speaker 6: have to look within our division and see what what
Speaker 6: is most team strengths and where they're really attacking you.
Speaker 7: You do have a quarterback that.
Speaker 6: Is able to be able to see in a vague
Speaker 6: pressure or whatever from.
Speaker 7: The tackle pans as well. Yeah, but that but the
Speaker 7: interior is the most concerning.
Speaker 3: So I like that view. So I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think when you think about initially all three teams
Speaker 3: in your division, their strengths are in the middle. You're
Speaker 3: if you want to build your team to win the East,
Speaker 3: I think you want your interior offensive play to be
Speaker 3: better here, and that makes maybe Barton move up ahead
Speaker 3: of Latham in the conversation unless you're playing Latham at guard. Brian.
Speaker 2: See that's again, I Nick, I totally respect what you're
Speaker 2: saying about Latham playing tackle, playing left tackle. It's so
Speaker 2: funny because I'm not trying to get influenced this guy
Speaker 2: that I talked to scouts the Southeast and I've known
Speaker 2: him for a long time, and you know his His
Speaker 2: whole thing was about Latham was I don't think he
Speaker 2: could play left tackle, and I agree right tackle, but man,
Speaker 2: the guard aspect to him. I went back and looked
Speaker 2: at my stack from that what I was because I
Speaker 2: was curious about the players that were left out of
Speaker 2: that group. I have Murphy as the highest rated player.
Speaker 3: I do too. I've got Murphy's the ninth best player
Speaker 3: on my board. I don't know where you guys.
Speaker 2: But Murphy.
Speaker 3: But the problem for me is, and this is again,
Speaker 3: I got him at fourteen.
Speaker 5: Where do I have? I got him a seventh?
Speaker 3: So if we're not window dress on the board, we're
Speaker 3: taking best player. Yeah, But I just don't think they
Speaker 3: would be doing that. I don't think they'd have the
Speaker 3: converse station with Murphy. And here, considering you took Mazie lasts.
Speaker 2: Brought something up on one of these shows about what's
Speaker 2: the one thing that the surprise and yeah, are they
Speaker 2: going to take a three technique at twenty four? I
Speaker 2: don't think they will. But to me, if they did it,
Speaker 2: I can't do I can't kill him on it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the guy to do with. He's the best
Speaker 3: one in the class. Yeah, special rare player.
Speaker 2: But I just told you I'm dying for a sinner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, well, then yeah, let me throw a
Speaker 4: scenario on the table. If Byer Murphy is the best
Speaker 4: player on the board, they take that three tech. Talk
Speaker 4: to me, then there's there's a potential trade opportunity with
Speaker 4: a three tech that you might have on the roster
Speaker 4: for a later round pick.
Speaker 5: And I wonder if that's even a thought.
Speaker 4: And I know this organization is not high on on
Speaker 4: trading current assets and they haven't been for a while,
Speaker 4: but I think that's that's just kind of a draft scenario.
Speaker 4: You have to think about me personally, I think, ohso
Speaker 4: Digisy was a phenomenal three tech in this league, and
Speaker 4: I think he would be just fine being there for
Speaker 4: the next five, six, seven years. I think he has
Speaker 4: that potential. I think he has Pro Bowl potential. Sure,
Speaker 4: but you know, are you can you pass up a
Speaker 4: talent like that when it's staring at you. He's at
Speaker 4: twenty four, got you going backwards.
Speaker 3: I don't think it'd be tough to sell any of
Speaker 3: us on Byron Murphy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's fair, but you Yeah, we just
Speaker 4: lost half our listeners.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to hear us talk.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing again, that's why we're talking. You talk
Speaker 3: about if you draft, you're stacking it for a reason. Brian,
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely absolutely right about that. I will all say.
Speaker 2: I will also say this though, I've got that Powers
Speaker 2: Johnson right behind him, you know, I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: a couple of spots if you just this way, the
Speaker 2: stack fell for me. I man, it was funny because
Speaker 2: I asked that question because I wanted to see if
Speaker 2: I was the only guy, no and Gal that had
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy that high on on my stack.
Speaker 3: No, I've got I've got Murphy. He's a top ten
Speaker 3: player in the draft.
Speaker 7: Serious business, he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and he gives you he stopped not
Speaker 3: right on the way to.
Speaker 7: The quarter Listen. I'm just I am a fifteen so
Speaker 7: just let me make it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've got in the highest at nine.
Speaker 7: But I just the idea of them trading away.
Speaker 3: From two of those linemen that we really like a lot,
Speaker 3: with Latham and Barton.
Speaker 6: I just think you can't take like in that position,
Speaker 6: you can't take away from right now, like you don't
Speaker 6: have nothing at DT.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 5: Just a thought, just a thought.
Speaker 3: Let me just throw one. I would hate it so
Speaker 3: with with three stud players that we like a lot.
Speaker 3: And I know we got to get to twitter on
Speaker 3: the Twitter some question real quick.
Speaker 2: So if Byron Murphy goes like at nine or ten,
Speaker 2: are we going to be a happy group?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that means that because.
Speaker 2: It takes them out of our equation.
Speaker 5: I think that's just one more tackle on the board.
Speaker 3: Because this is a problem for us right now.
Speaker 7: Stressed, that's a problem.
Speaker 3: This is a stressful conversation. Washington gets on the phone
Speaker 3: here in this simulation, they say, all right, you guys
Speaker 3: want to back out of the first round. Here, we'll
Speaker 3: give you pick thirty six, and we'll also give you
Speaker 3: pick sixty seven in the third.
Speaker 5: That's it, just sixty seven.
Speaker 3: They're thrown in a seventh pick two twenty two. But
Speaker 3: they're giving you there two and they're three, so now
Speaker 3: you're adding sixty seven.
Speaker 5: I feel like you can get a better deal out
Speaker 5: of Kansas City there.
Speaker 3: Kansas City doesn't offer anything in that offer. Anything Kansas
Speaker 3: City doesn't now Houston does. Houston offers forty two in
Speaker 3: the second round, eighty six in the third, and then
Speaker 3: you can get an extra sixth round pick with pick one.
Speaker 5: Eight two is tough, tough to stomp.
Speaker 3: See, That's why I didn't. And the only the only
Speaker 3: trade offer to me that I like is Washington here.
Speaker 2: This is where okay, at forty two to Houston ms
Speaker 2: the the forty two to Houston that gets me my
Speaker 2: b YU tackle I believe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially, but you'd be sweating it. You'd be sweating.
Speaker 3: Do you think Jordan Morgan can fall to forty two.
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: You don't think so either.
Speaker 4: But if if Tennessee does not grab Joe Alt there
Speaker 4: in the first round, and they are going to be
Speaker 4: tackle hunting potentially there at thirty eight, you're also looking
Speaker 4: at New England potentially tackle hunting there at thirty four.
Speaker 2: I get on the phone to tell Elliott, Well, if
Speaker 2: you need to do something.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about Zach Fraser, West Virginia Center at forty two.
Speaker 5: You're Washington or not Washington.
Speaker 4: You're looking at green Bay potentially.
Speaker 2: Green Bay right behind you on green Bay. Green Bay
Speaker 2: is curious what you're going to be doing right now.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, my phone's blowing up about
Speaker 2: green Bay.
Speaker 3: Are the green Bay yeacause they know the Cowboys right
Speaker 3: in front of them probably going to take their guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think they could be a fight for Barton right there.
Speaker 4: Really quick before we before we go to break couicksac.
Speaker 4: This was mentioned yesterday in the press or. It was
Speaker 4: a question. I forget who was from, and I forget
Speaker 4: how it was phrase, so forgive me here, but it was.
Speaker 4: It was along the lines of if if there is
Speaker 4: a same graded player on your board in TIERR versus tackle,
Speaker 4: how do you kind of juggle those two positions? Draft
Speaker 4: at twenty four. This is what Mike McCarthy had to say.
Speaker 4: He said, Hey, I think it's very important, but I
Speaker 4: think you just don't go too far. And I'm talking
Speaker 4: about our division games. I think the defensive tackle play
Speaker 4: in our division is.
Speaker 5: As strong as ever.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said I remember the answer so and so
Speaker 3: Latham and Barton, I think definitely they're in the conversation.
Speaker 3: They're over a guide from Oklahoma that answers the question. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's get to more of those Twitter on the twenty
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Speaker 3: We've had a lot of trade conversations and that's gonna
Speaker 3: be some of the topics here as we get into
Speaker 3: some twitter on the twenty Twitter on twenty and twenty
Speaker 3: A thank you Beamer. Okay, I had some questions about
Speaker 3: like double dipping on the trade scenarios here. I think
Speaker 3: this would happens. Yeah, we're we're getting that double dip cone, Like,
Speaker 3: do you do you see any scenarios because you gave
Speaker 3: us four or five different teams that are picking behind
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, and if you're in a situation where Latham's
Speaker 3: not there, which we don't expect, maybe you do get
Speaker 3: a run on the tackles. Maybe Barton gets higher in
Speaker 3: Jackson power shots, and maybe there's a conversation where he's
Speaker 3: not in the consideration there at twenty four. Do you
Speaker 3: double dip possibly move back twice in the first round.
Speaker 3: Is that something that is even a topic of consideration
Speaker 3: because Walker Davies ass can I interest you in trading
Speaker 3: back and into the top five of the second round
Speaker 3: because if you look at the last four years, that's
Speaker 3: kind of become a sweet spot of where some real
Speaker 3: stud players have been selected. Last year Joey Porter Junior,
Speaker 3: Samuel Porter, Samuel Porter get Steve Avilla, the TCU guard.
Speaker 3: Year before that you had Bryce Hall Petrie, the safety
Speaker 3: from Baylor. I mean this goes back where you get
Speaker 3: you sleep on it top of the board day two.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna get some guys and maybe he still
Speaker 3: had some first round grades that slipped.
Speaker 5: I'm with it. I'm with it. I'll go far back
Speaker 5: as thirty five.
Speaker 4: That's maybe thirty you could tip me to thirty seven,
Speaker 4: but I'm okay with I'm okay with going back to
Speaker 4: the top five for second round because that probably means
Speaker 4: you're picking up quite a bit of capital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, how many extra picks do you think you
Speaker 3: can get?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 3: If you move back twice, three to four. Think we're
Speaker 3: at in the third we're adding an extra second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on where you're going to know, that's
Speaker 2: always the key, you know, of course you get you
Speaker 2: got to map it out, but also those teams you
Speaker 2: want to target teams that have extra picks, like you know,
Speaker 2: like the we try to trade up to the Chargers,
Speaker 2: They've got two, uh, fourth round picks, you know, so
Speaker 2: you know, we were trying to our two third round picks.
Speaker 2: We were trying to kind of find spots that, you know,
Speaker 2: team it's a little bit easier team with multiple picks
Speaker 2: to trade too, because they're more willing to part with
Speaker 2: one of those picks.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not saying I don't want to have
Speaker 6: I know we're just doing hypotheticals, but my brain can't
Speaker 6: go to.
Speaker 3: That fone for trade backs.
Speaker 7: We're in like a fairytale land, like yeah, if you
Speaker 7: can get one good one.
Speaker 6: But no, I think you bring up a really good
Speaker 6: point that that's kind of become a sweet spot, and
Speaker 6: that's a trend that we're kind of starting to see
Speaker 6: that a lot of teams are are starting to sleep
Speaker 6: on it and be able to do some things coming
Speaker 6: out Day two. So I expect I don't expect fireworks.
Speaker 7: I expect some sparklers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's possible. I mean, we had Chris
Speaker 3: who gave us a good diapathetical if Buffalo wants to
Speaker 3: come up for a receiver, you end up getting an
Speaker 3: extra four or a eight. Three does a team Mike
Speaker 3: Carolina or New England, Brian? Then I come up?
Speaker 2: Buffalo does not? Do we determine that Buffalo doesn't have
Speaker 2: a three? Right?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 3: Buffalo does not have Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Does not because I was trying to get one of
Speaker 2: those threes, one of those late threes.
Speaker 3: In fact, Buffalo, Yeah, Buffalo doesn't.
Speaker 2: Detroit's the team behind you that doesn't have they'd have
Speaker 2: to give you next year's stuff. They got nothing. The Ravens.
Speaker 2: The Ravens, we talked about them. We probably they're gonna
Speaker 2: probably sit. San Francisco is similar to what the Ravens
Speaker 2: would have. I think you pick up an extra three there.
Speaker 2: That's really that. But Kansas City's the one where you
Speaker 2: can potentially get the three in the four out of them. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you want to go back again? How far back
Speaker 2: do you want to go?
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're looking at New England, what would
Speaker 3: that be forty two?
Speaker 2: That's actually thirty thirty four, that's thirty four thirty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so New England's there at thirty four. Now New
Speaker 3: England's got that pick one oh three, which is the
Speaker 3: third pick of the fourth round that I know is
Speaker 3: gold when you're talking about the start of day three,
Speaker 3: if you want to try and get that one as well,
Speaker 3: So that'd be an interesting conversation.
Speaker 4: You could also look at the Cardinals. They're at thirty
Speaker 4: five three third round picks. They got sixty six, seventy one, ninety,
Speaker 4: and then they have one oh four at the top
Speaker 4: of day three.
Speaker 2: So those aholl Houston's picks.
Speaker 4: The Houston pick is ninety, that's the seventy one is
Speaker 4: from Tennessee. I'm trying to that would that would be
Speaker 4: the Hopkins trade.
Speaker 3: I would assume, Yeah, Houston's got a lot of amo, man,
Speaker 3: because they've got pick eighty six they got from Philly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's real jealousy I feel for what's going on, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Houston's doing a good job this officer.
Speaker 7: No, I expect the Cardinals to be active.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned that yesterday.
Speaker 6: I really just think they're going to be active. And
Speaker 6: some of the things they do, whether it's at pick
Speaker 6: what four or I'm twenty seven, they pick after us
Speaker 6: and we didn't we haven't.
Speaker 3: Really member and then they're picking at thirty five. I
Speaker 3: mean maybe maybe that's a move back. You pick up
Speaker 3: twenty seven.
Speaker 6: You have a twenty seven and a thirty five, Like,
Speaker 6: I don't again, I'm still learning all that those are.
Speaker 7: Those are pretty close together.
Speaker 6: You don't know if a team is like one and
Speaker 6: to keep those, I think they're going to be active
Speaker 6: in round one.
Speaker 5: I'm with you, Yeah, first year, Gm'm curious to see
Speaker 5: what he does there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go to Adam Desuza, who asks us,
Speaker 3: in honor of Kyle Yeomen's and the marathon worthy pick,
Speaker 3: here's a player for us that would be marathon worthy
Speaker 3: if the Cowboys ended up selecting them at twenty four?
Speaker 5: Do you have a guy I'm not running a Maratha.
Speaker 3: That you'd run a marathon if they ended up taking them.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I started to really if that pick happens, yeah,
Speaker 3: that'd be because that guy to me, like I first
Speaker 3: watched him play, I'm thinking body type, that's a guard.
Speaker 3: But you see the nimble feet. He's taller than I
Speaker 3: thought that he would be when he measured in the combine.
Speaker 3: He is athletic enough to play tackle. I think he
Speaker 3: could play maybe all five positions. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: the intelligence is there to even play him at center
Speaker 3: in a pinch. But I think he'd be an excellent guard.
Speaker 3: But I think he absolutely could play tackle with the
Speaker 3: NFL level.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, Instead running a marathon, I'm going
Speaker 4: to be a big backed individual real quick, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna flip it really quick. If Troy was picked at
Speaker 4: twenty four, I'll do that little waffle challenge where you
Speaker 4: have to be in the let's go the twenty four
Speaker 4: hour challenge. Twenty four hours so ever you want me to.
Speaker 2: The hour is.
Speaker 3: Taken off your sentence. Okay, but I like this Brian,
Speaker 3: Do you have one or do you want to co
Speaker 3: sign with Faltanutanu is the guy?
Speaker 5: Absolutely you joined me at waffle house.
Speaker 2: Okay, I might have to. I might have to. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what though. It's uh, that's the great thing
Speaker 2: in the beauty of the draft. You just don't know
Speaker 2: if there's going to be somebody you feel like that.
Speaker 2: You do all this work and line these guys all up,
Speaker 2: and then maybe there's somebody that does you know, somebody says, well, no,
Speaker 2: we're just going to go with this guy. We like
Speaker 2: this guy a little bit better. But I would be
Speaker 2: super excited if he if he.
Speaker 3: I mean the leverage he plays, it's so natural for him,
Speaker 3: and his pass sets the quickness out of his stance
Speaker 3: when Beemer's rolling the b roll here in that National championship.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're just saying it doesn't matter who the player is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and any player in the first round at twenty
Speaker 3: four that you'd be like, oh my gosh, this would
Speaker 3: be It's like the Ceede Lampick at seventeen. Nobody thought
Speaker 3: CD He's gonna be there. He ends up being there.
Speaker 3: Kyle runs a.
Speaker 2: Player you got the who's a player you really really want?
Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I uh, I would not I think
Speaker 6: how bad. I think Bauers in this offense could be
Speaker 6: very helpful. But I I was gonna say, just as
Speaker 6: a random player, if Jeene Bell comes here from FSU,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna find.
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't think that. And again, we haven't talked.
Speaker 6: About we hate touched tight end.
Speaker 7: Why. I don't know. We ain't got no proven tight
Speaker 7: ends besides eighty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, friggy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were it's so funny yesterday they were
Speaker 2: talking about Stevens you know, Steven Jones. Yeah, was John Stevens.
Speaker 7: Fairness, they had plans for him, if you.
Speaker 3: Will, absolutely made the team before the injury.
Speaker 2: You're right about Bell by the way, jaheem Bell.
Speaker 3: Is an alien. Yeah, I know, I know, I mean,
Speaker 3: and he even put him anywhere you on. He is
Speaker 3: a ton of.
Speaker 6: Fun and when you talk about you know, we've mentioned
Speaker 6: some of the other gentlemen like that these teams are
Speaker 6: teams are kind of looking for that Debo esque type
Speaker 6: vibe guy, and I feel like he can do some
Speaker 6: of that stuff, even though he's considered a tight end.
Speaker 6: But as far as Stevens goes, if you watch the preseason,
Speaker 6: even some of the play designs were play designs.
Speaker 7: We never see no more. After he wasn't on the
Speaker 7: field no more.
Speaker 6: They were trying different things with him where they had
Speaker 6: him slipping and had him.
Speaker 7: In motion and stuff.
Speaker 6: Because he does have some receiver as qualities, and I
Speaker 6: know a lot of us were worried about is he
Speaker 6: going to be able to stand.
Speaker 7: In line and block.
Speaker 6: I think in the preseason he even showed that he
Speaker 6: at least had the effort to want to do that.
Speaker 6: And he's not super physically imposing, but he was a
Speaker 6: willing blocker when we got to see him. So I
Speaker 6: do understand that maybe they do have some upside or
Speaker 6: things that they think from Stevens and those guys.
Speaker 7: But I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't like later,
Speaker 7: maybe later maybe day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe possibly, But I think it's one
Speaker 3: of those things like Bobby's talked about, you've got to
Speaker 3: trust the evaluation of Bobby belt. He won't come with
Speaker 3: trust you make Scooney.
Speaker 6: Right, are you ever going to be able to run
Speaker 6: the ball in twelve personnel?
Speaker 3: Well, if you can't run the ball in twelve personnel
Speaker 3: with Scoony, then you mis evaluated him, because what were
Speaker 3: we talking about this time last year? Scoon maker best
Speaker 3: maybe best blocking tight end in the drive.
Speaker 2: I'm the guilty one.
Speaker 3: If Scooney can't figure it out, then you know what
Speaker 3: we we just missed on the pick there.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go to court.
Speaker 6: But I think even the blocking is great, but I
Speaker 6: think the lack of receiving quality A man. Listen, there's
Speaker 6: a team that watches the same film you do and
Speaker 6: they see, yeah, that that's not happening. So he is right,
Speaker 6: like Bobby said, he's gonna have to take a step
Speaker 6: up or whatever. But it just gives me anxiety because
Speaker 6: you got you got a lot right.
Speaker 3: You got knocked off, you got knocked off the ball
Speaker 3: tight ends you need Fergie to improve, there'd be more consistent.
Speaker 3: You need schoon Maker around in the form of the
Speaker 3: player you thought he would be. But I do think
Speaker 3: with Stevens and Ferguson, you've got, yeah, you've got two
Speaker 3: guys there that I think can give you a receiving threat.
Speaker 3: But that's interesting. I mean, like Jared Wiley at a TCU,
Speaker 3: that's not a guy that can block, but you talk
Speaker 3: about Travis Kelcey esque perceiving threat, wildly special in that regard.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to get a receiving type
Speaker 3: of tight end, I.
Speaker 4: Just feel completely different about the tight end position. I
Speaker 4: feel like Jake Ferguson really took a step forward for
Speaker 4: last year to yeah, yeah, but take the receiving ability away.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about run blocker. I think he took a
Speaker 4: really big step last year. I think that kind of
Speaker 4: helped be able to bring Schoonmaker in once he came
Speaker 4: off that plane or Fascia. Granted, Schoonmaker has to be
Speaker 4: able to take a big second year, second year leap
Speaker 4: that needs to happen. But you got two receiving tight
Speaker 4: ends behind those guys, and Peyton Hendershot and John Stevens Junior.
Speaker 4: Sure you can bring in an undrafted guy to kind
Speaker 4: of elevate the competition in that room, But if they're
Speaker 4: spending a draft pick on a tight end, I'm I
Speaker 4: don't know. I feel some type of way about that.
Speaker 4: I feel the same way about quarterback or safety. I
Speaker 4: think those are the three positions you don't need to
Speaker 4: touch with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okay with not touching it tight end. I
Speaker 3: think we could. I could argue for safety, we can
Speaker 3: talk about that.
Speaker 7: On the other side of no, no, no, I was going
Speaker 7: to say, I mean in theory.
Speaker 9: Yes.
Speaker 6: My point is that in this season, you really, this
Speaker 6: is a this seat.
Speaker 7: There's a lot weighing on the season.
Speaker 6: And to me, neither one of those gentlemen that you
Speaker 6: just mentioned, like Peyton Hendershot has been here. Well this
Speaker 6: is his third year, and I hend dog is my dog,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, Like, I respect the player,
Speaker 6: but at the same time, we didn't what did we
Speaker 6: see him from him last year?
Speaker 7: I know he was injured.
Speaker 6: I know he was dealing with injuries, but what what
Speaker 6: he's what is?
Speaker 7: It wasn't It's not enough. It's to me, it's not enough.
Speaker 6: To ride on and be like yeah, for sure, and
Speaker 6: then I just I don't know, I feel differently about it.
Speaker 7: I do think John Stevens has.
Speaker 3: More of a potential upside.
Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, I think he has the opportunity to it
Speaker 6: because and I'm not saying that Peyton's not capable.
Speaker 7: We just ain't seen yet.
Speaker 2: I think I was more disappointed in hinder than Schoonmaker
Speaker 2: than I was Hindershot.
Speaker 7: That's fair.
Speaker 2: I think I kind of feel like I know what
Speaker 2: Hindershot is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I felt like that Schoonmaker was going to come in
Speaker 2: here and be a guy that when you put him
Speaker 2: at the point of attack in line, he was going
Speaker 2: to be able to work with either Tyron Smith or
Speaker 2: work with Terrence Steele, and they were gonna be able
Speaker 2: to control the edge and they were gonna be able
Speaker 2: to run the ball. They just couldn't do it with
Speaker 2: that man.
Speaker 3: I do remember Dalton Schultz. You know, the first year
Speaker 3: didn't go well. Dalton Schultz, is he going to be
Speaker 3: making the roster into a Pro Bowl tight end for you.
Speaker 3: Trust you know, I'm I'm over Eileen with you.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 3: I don't think you have the luxury to spend a
Speaker 3: pick on a tight end with all of your needs.
Speaker 3: But sixteen maybe okay, let's go ahead and step aside.
Speaker 3: When we come back. Who's a player that you would
Speaker 3: pound the table for that maybe we haven't talked about.
Speaker 3: Let's give some guys some love that haven't been getting it.
Speaker 3: That's next on the Draft Show.
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Speaker 3: the first round of the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Of course, we love you and we appreciate you rocking
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Speaker 3: for it is the best in Texas. I did want
Speaker 3: to ask you, guys, these these two positions. Then we'll
Speaker 3: get to players that you could pound the table on.
Speaker 3: But you brought you brought tight end up. Okay, safety
Speaker 3: an edge. Safety was a position Brian, you brought up
Speaker 3: in our group chat a couple of days ago. Edge,
Speaker 3: I usual you brought up today. Out of those two positions,
Speaker 3: where would you be comfortable taking one? Nick? I know
Speaker 3: for you, safety is not one you want, So you
Speaker 3: can you can start off with edge and who is
Speaker 3: a player that you'd be hyd.
Speaker 4: So if you're you're probably looking there on day three
Speaker 4: at edge. Man, if you pick up that fourth round
Speaker 4: pick and you're able to get Jaylex Hunt, oh man,
Speaker 4: I would be I would be a j I'd be
Speaker 4: all in on that. I'd have a party in here
Speaker 4: on Saturday. But if you're looking more realistic with the
Speaker 4: picks that they do have right now, let's see, let's
Speaker 4: let's take a look at this.
Speaker 5: These day three guys.
Speaker 4: I think I think there's a potential that you look
Speaker 4: at Gosh, Braden McGregor out of Michigan. That's that's kind
Speaker 4: of a guy. Brendan Jackson out of Washington State. Let's
Speaker 4: go Xavier Thomas out of Clemson just because he's he's
Speaker 4: more of an athletic. He's more of an athletic, twitch,
Speaker 4: twitchy guy. Like he doesn't necessarily have the size, but
Speaker 4: he has that bend that can kind of get under
Speaker 4: under some offensive tackles. He was originally a top recruit
Speaker 4: in the class of eighteen, I believe, which was my
Speaker 4: high school class.
Speaker 5: So it's six years ago.
Speaker 4: He's been he's been in college, so he's he's been
Speaker 4: around the game a while.
Speaker 5: He brings a lot of experience. I think it's it's
Speaker 5: a product, you know what you're getting.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't think he's going to be an eventual starter,
Speaker 4: but I think that is a good replacement to bring
Speaker 4: in if you're looking for a guy to kind of
Speaker 4: fill that Dante Fowler junior role in the sense that, hey,
Speaker 4: we just need to be able to rotate a body
Speaker 4: in on a passing down, to be able to go
Speaker 4: be athletic on third down and be able to attack
Speaker 4: the quarterback.
Speaker 3: It's funny that you run up Thomas. When I watched it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I wish I could take his bend
Speaker 3: and put it on Brailan Trice out of Washington, and
Speaker 3: then you'd have a first round edge right there. That
Speaker 3: would be amazing. Okay, Brian, if you want to take
Speaker 3: edge safety both, whichever you prefer, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to tell you about an edge named Gabriel Murphy
Speaker 2: from u C. L a Is. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: take this guy. This guy's a transfer from North Texas,
Speaker 2: by the way, might be a little undersized to play,
Speaker 2: but his strength his hand use is impressive. The coaches
Speaker 2: move this guy around up and down the line. They
Speaker 2: find spots for him to rush. He made a play
Speaker 2: as a three technique in the USC game with a
Speaker 2: really nice quick move that beat the guard tackle and
Speaker 2: made a tackle behind the line of scrimmage, the first
Speaker 2: step that Ayisha likes a lot. He's got explosiveness, he's
Speaker 2: disruptive in the running game, and he's got flexibility to
Speaker 2: bend off the edge. He could stay connected to the action.
Speaker 2: You don't see him kind of get knocked out of
Speaker 2: the play or pushed wide. Everybody talks about law to you.
Speaker 2: Gabriel Murphy on the other side made his share of
Speaker 2: place too. So if you're looking for one of those
Speaker 2: Day three edge rushers at six two two forty seven,
Speaker 2: Gabriel Murphy is your guy. I mean he can, he
Speaker 2: can rush the passer, and I know we could play
Speaker 2: run defense. A little bit of completeness to his game.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. It was great at the East West Srian bold
Speaker 3: Nick and I know him pretty well. Bishop Lynch playing
Speaker 3: there with his twin brother. You mentioned going to North
Speaker 3: Texas Cob Baby and then makes that transfer Aisha safety edge.
Speaker 3: Which side you want to go with? I know we
Speaker 3: were talking about a player that I'm happy to discuss
Speaker 3: unless you want to take him.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna let you talk about it because I'm gonna
Speaker 6: talk about a couple other guys. So for me, when
Speaker 6: you look at that Day three situation, I look at Cedric.
Speaker 7: Johnson edge out of Old Miss big time.
Speaker 6: As they move him like you said, like you mentioned
Speaker 6: with Murphy, they move him all across the line. He
Speaker 6: can do it in multiple stances as well, so it
Speaker 6: stands out. Sometimes you see him with his hand on
Speaker 6: the dirt, sometimes he's just staying and he has good
Speaker 6: he has good strength and balance. I like the backs
Speaker 6: of a side pursuit from him. He rushes with speed
Speaker 6: to power. He has a couple of swipe and rip moves.
Speaker 6: He's very tall in his stance, so sometimes sometimes I
Speaker 6: do think he can lose his footing and play too tall.
Speaker 6: But I do think that if he just plays under control,
Speaker 6: a little bit more control, he has crazy closing speed
Speaker 6: and just develops a little bit more discipline with his speed.
Speaker 6: Because he's such a his body is so sixty to
Speaker 6: fifties crazy. So I think that he still is trying
Speaker 6: to figure out some of the balanced parts of things.
Speaker 6: But I think he can be a good edge in
Speaker 6: this league with a little bit more discipline. I also
Speaker 6: look at what you talk about safety. Hey, hey, man,
Speaker 6: I watched Malik.
Speaker 2: Mustafa right in front of him.
Speaker 7: What a fune watch you enjoy him?
Speaker 3: I know what safety you like, and Ustafa is certainly
Speaker 3: of your eyes, like, Yeah, him and Jayden Hicks, they've
Speaker 3: got that about him. Jaden Hicks to me, is like
Speaker 3: a little Troy Paula Mali.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he has some flex I think playing some
Speaker 6: free safety as well. But this is a strong safety. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he's crazy as a blitzer. He has good been to
Speaker 6: an evate lieman when he's blitzing as well. He's constantly
Speaker 6: reading the QB's eyes and he can get I do
Speaker 6: think he can get.
Speaker 7: A little girls downhill, would you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But he can run.
Speaker 6: He covers a lot of ground. He's very scrappy. He
Speaker 6: makes plays in the run game. He's active, and he
Speaker 6: has read and reactability that you are looking for from
Speaker 6: a safety. Malik Mustafa is I would love to have
Speaker 6: him on it on your team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The last line in my notes was this guy
Speaker 2: has the right temperament for the position and who will
Speaker 2: make someone look smart who drafts him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a player.
Speaker 2: This guy is a player.
Speaker 3: He is. I'll go with the safeties here. I do
Speaker 3: think late rounds and maybe even undrafted free agent like
Speaker 3: Ryan Watts out of Texas and the Cowboys got a
Speaker 3: good look at traits Wise. We talked about Dominie Campton
Speaker 3: at a Washington guy I did like a lot like
Speaker 3: traits Wise. Late in the draft. I'd consider safety as
Speaker 3: early as fifty six for me, because there's a player
Speaker 3: that I love and I've talked about him early in
Speaker 3: the draft, and there's two. I consider Jayden Hicks there
Speaker 3: at a Washington State. I think he is absolutely fantastic, quick, aware,
Speaker 3: explosive downhill. I think he can be a special teams guy.
Speaker 3: I think he's like a Harrison Smith Troy Polamal, whose
Speaker 3: style to his game that Mike Zimmer would absolutely unlock
Speaker 3: magic with. But to me, and this is a dude
Speaker 3: that I'd stand on the table before every day, I've
Speaker 3: got a first round grade on him. I might be
Speaker 3: the only draft person in the world with the first
Speaker 3: round rade on him. I don't care he's being slept on,
Speaker 3: like Antoine Winfield Junior was a couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: but it's Shavon Bullard out of Georgia, saw action as
Speaker 3: a freshman at Uga, named defensive MVP of the National
Speaker 3: title game against TCU and the semifinal against Ohio State.
Speaker 3: He'll thump you. He's super physical. He's a guy that'll
Speaker 3: throw his body around, can come down. He'll cover the
Speaker 3: slot sideline to sideline. He has a play versus Tennessee.
Speaker 3: He gets beat up the seam, but he reads the receiver,
Speaker 3: puts his hands up to break up the pass. He's
Speaker 3: one of those guys where it's just he's got a feel.
Speaker 3: He's got innate instincts and feel for the game. Short
Speaker 3: area of quickness. He's got recovery speed. Maybe that lacks
Speaker 3: a little bit when it comes to just straight line
Speaker 3: speed covering, you know, the deep half of the field.
Speaker 3: But I love Javon Bullard. I know he's undersized and
Speaker 3: some guys are gonna knock him for no, you.
Speaker 2: Know who this is. This is Jalen Peatree. This is Jalen.
Speaker 7: Peetrie for You're gonna say.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this this is him. This is this
Speaker 2: kid is flying around all over if you want to,
Speaker 2: if you want to, you we talked about Petrie earlier,
Speaker 2: so I think you brought his name up. Kid from
Speaker 2: Baylor in twenty twenty two that draft. This kid's got
Speaker 2: the same kind of I love them traits. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I stand on the table for Bullard there at fifty six.
Speaker 3: If you're wiped out, there's not a lot of players
Speaker 3: that you love, I'd go for it there. Okay, I
Speaker 3: know we got to show following up after us. This
Speaker 3: has been a blast really quick.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, we have a new highest paid wide
Speaker 4: receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Did we just get something happened?
Speaker 5: I'm and Ross Saint.
Speaker 4: Brown four years one and twenty million, seventy seven guaranteed. Uh,
Speaker 4: the one twenty is the most, seventy seven million guaranteed
Speaker 4: is the most, the annual value is the most. So
Speaker 4: the her market has been reset once again.
Speaker 2: Turned to a year. By the way, I'm sorry, quick.
Speaker 3: Math, I need you to hurry up. We've got another
Speaker 3: show that's coming in.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 5: What does that turn to?
Speaker 2: What a year? What is that? A year?
Speaker 5: That would be?
Speaker 4: That would be thirty a year. So that's it's at
Speaker 4: more than one twenty. So I assume it's going to
Speaker 4: be right right above Tyreek Hill's number. So he is
Speaker 4: the high I was told.
Speaker 2: That the tyreek Kill number really in reality is.
Speaker 5: Like twenty seven is twenty five?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh five?
Speaker 2: Interesting instead of thirty it's twenty five.
Speaker 3: Well, if you heard the pressure yesterday, certainly uh ceedee lamb.
Speaker 3: Paying attention to that, and there'll be conversations. We'll have
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