1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Happy Friday. I'm Tracy d Wilson, 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Fry. One of the things we talked 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: about on the show this week was Marino Faliero, also 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: called marine falier also called a pronunciation in Latin that 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: I've already forgotten the bad Doje Doja Venice, only the 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: only ones ever be executed for treason. While I was 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: working on this, I was kind of struggling with it 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: because I thought the background on the office of DOJ 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: and how that developed was important context because it may 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: explain why he took those steps, like maybe he just 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: wanted a lot more power than the office really had. 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: But I also felt like the most interesting part of 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: it was all the slapping in the beheading, which came 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: along much later. So I was talking through all of 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: this with my spouse at dinner at a restaurant as 17 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: I had gotten to a point where like I had 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: the whole outline roughed out, but I was still like, 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: how can I make how can I make this a 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: little bit more like compelling with the part that I 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: felt that was more context and less the good part, 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: and I was like, so he brought all these commoners 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: together and they started planning a coup, and Patrick said 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: a coup against who he was the dose, And I 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: was like, valid point, Wow, But if he was largely figureheady, yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: it is a weird thing, right at that late stage 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: in his life to be like now is the time? Yeah, 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: because he was at least in his seventies and depending 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: on which year of birth is the right one, because 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: I really did find three different years of birth, Like 31 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: he may have been almost or into his eighties and 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: had how to career that, you know, while seeming to 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: have a volatile temper, but like beyond that, it seems 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: like people respected him. So it does seem like, why 35 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: suddenly did you decide to murder everyone? Right? I mean 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: there's part of me that's like and just trying to 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: logic it out. I'm not saying this is a good 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: and valid choice. Uh. Is there part of him that 39 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but no one will remember me for 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: being a nice guy, one of many many doges. But 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: if I become the worst doche, I will secure my legacy. 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: The fact that there were so many people getting slapped 43 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: in this episode was fascinating to me. The fact that 44 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: he seems to have either tried to take absolute power 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: in Venice or was manipulated into this weird and terrible 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: coup plan fascinating to me. The painting over of his portrait. 47 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: None of those portraits, or at least as far as 48 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: we know, like there was not source artwork to go 49 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: on for a lot of those portraits. They're sort of 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: what imagined of what all the doges look like, except 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: for his, which is just this banner that's painted onto 52 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: the wall, which both of us as we were walking 53 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: around with this audio tour, we're like, you know, we're 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: we're sort of looking at the walls and the ceiling 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: because it's like the whole room is just covered in artwork. 56 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: And then we had the audio tours queued up to 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: approximately the same point, and both of our heads just 58 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: turned to find this banner hanging among all the doge portraits. 59 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: See memorable. I love just a little bit at the 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: end that we talked about Venice's identity being so counter 61 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: to the way it was perceived. Yeah, because I don't know, 62 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: it's just a great that's like a a municipality wide thing. 63 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: But like you can extrapolate that and condense it down, 64 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: and like, how many of us, just humans walking around, 65 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: have the same situation going on. It's like, yeah, I 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: think I am this, and if you ask somebody else 67 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: will be like, no, you are this fascinating phenomenon. Yeah. 68 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: Something that was really striking to me about Venice is 69 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Venice's own mythology about itself, which you know, as we said, 70 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: is this idea this is a place that was particularly 71 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: blessed by St. Mark and particularly home to ingenuity and 72 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: artwork and an independent republic that stood for more than 73 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: a thousand years, and it's something that comes up again 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: and again in the various historical things that we saw 75 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: while we were there, And as someone who did not 76 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: grow up in Venice or even grow up in Italy, 77 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is like just continual historical 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: pr campaign for yourself that's been going on for centuries. 79 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: And I see this also, you know, in a eric 80 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and historical sites, especially things that are related to things 81 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: like the founding of the United States and the Revolutionary War. Uh, 82 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: and depending where you are, different aspects of the Civil War, 83 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: some of which are incredibly troubling, and how they sort 84 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: of put forth the myth of how this all happened. 85 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: But I I felt like a various places that I 86 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: have traveled before, like this was a place where I 87 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: I felt like it was so infused with everything that 88 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: we saw that I was like, this is really interesting 89 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: to me, And it's also very interesting to me how 90 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: the perception grew that it was this like mysterious and 91 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: romantic and secretive place, because I mean, it's a city 92 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: right there on the water with canals instead of roads 93 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: for cars to drive on, and in the like cooler 94 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: months that can be shrouded in this very thick mist. 95 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I understand why this is, 96 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: like why this has been the subject of so much 97 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: artwork and so many fictional depictions, Like it is a 98 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: place that lends itself to all kinds of storytelling and 99 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: myth making. We pretty much went because it is very 100 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: threatened by both climate change and by the effects of 101 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: the enormous amount of tourism that it gets. So it 102 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: was like we were contributing to the problem ourselves by 103 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: going there, but also wanted to see it right before 104 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: it is underwater, because it is, I mean, it is 105 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: absolutely threatened by sea level rise. Um there are times 106 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: now already where the tide swells to the point that 107 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: it just floods the city and they have to put 108 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: little platforms down on the walkways for people to be 109 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: able to get around. I vaguely recall a million years ago, 110 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: by which I mean maybe eight years ago, when we 111 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: were still doing editorial work for house stuff work, and 112 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: we had an episode about an episode, an article that 113 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: I was working on for some reason about Venice and 114 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: sea level rise, and I remember looking at pictures of 115 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: the Piazza Saint Mark being flooded and I was just like, 116 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: this is messed up. Yeah, it happens. That has happened 117 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: actually relatively recently at the waterfront area of Boston, there 118 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: have been a couple of tides that have just flooded 119 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: everything around for the same reasons. So yeah, yeah, I'm 120 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: glad we were able to go to Venice. I really 121 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: hope Number one, we as a society are able to 122 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: take some more concrete steps to try to slow down 123 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: the pace of climate change. And also there are attempts 124 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: to do some things to try to protect Venice as 125 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: a city, and some of them are controversial. That everything 126 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: has a has a downside, but it is a beautiful 127 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: and interesting place with all kinds of historical buildings, all 128 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: out of which are just gorgeous, that are just right 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: on the water. It's just right there. There's a wall 130 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: and it's the canal. Yeah. I hope people are documenting 131 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 1: every single tiny thing about it before we lose it. Yeah, 132 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: that's a downer place to end it. That is a 133 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: downer place. Sorry, maybe this will be the Monday episode 134 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: and so there will be a second happier thing because 135 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: we don't know when we record these. A lot of 136 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: the times we're just like, well, we'll record it so 137 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: that it could be either the first or the second episode. Yeah, 138 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: and we have some control over the calendar, but things 139 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: come up that make it necessary to shift things into 140 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: one position or another. So Fingers Crossed will try to 141 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: make this a Monday episode so that this will be 142 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: the first half of behind the Scenes and the next 143 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: one will be a laugh riot watch. It's going to 144 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: be horrible, Tracy. We talked about the adoption of standard times. Yeah, yeah, 145 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: ah time. Yeah, it's one of those things that if 146 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: you never travel, if you never uh like, let's say 147 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: you live in a remote area and your life is 148 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: centered around your home and your family, and uh, not 149 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: going to other places. Like none of this really affects 150 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: your life that much, probably, but like if you're going 151 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: to travel a long way with a fast mode of travel, 152 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: especially like trying to adjust your watch twenty seven times 153 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: and also missing your train connection or your plane connection 154 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: or whatever because the clocks were different, Like it's a 155 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: whole different level of necessity. Yeah. I remember once when 156 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I was still living in Atlanta to I had gone 157 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: to the Atlanta airport for something. So I mean, obviously 158 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: it was to get on an airplane, but I don't 159 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: remember what the trip was about. Uh. And I had 160 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: gotten there really early for whatever reason. Uh, And I 161 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: was like, wow, I have all this time. I'm just 162 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: gonna go over to the international terminal because that's like 163 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: new and clean, and I can go to the stores 164 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: there or whatever. I'm just going to hang out. And 165 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: at some point my phone decided that I was in 166 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Central time instead of Eastern Time, and I was like, wow, 167 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: why do I feel like I have so much more? 168 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: I knew I got here early, but not that early, 169 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: And then I realized that my phone didn't match the 170 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: departure boards, and I was like, oh, no, that's terrifying. 171 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Going back to the gate right now, I still had 172 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: plenty of time. I did not miss my flight. But 173 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: since then I've been kind of paranoid about whether my 174 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: phone has auto adjusted, it's time zoned to something wrong, 175 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: whether it's trying to mess with you. There were a 176 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: couple of things is that I did not put in 177 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,119 Speaker 1: this episode. One is kind of a charming story about 178 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Sandford Fleming when he was a kid. It comes up 179 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: kind of briefly mentioned in some of the biographies of him. 180 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: I read about him being a kid and obviously being 181 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: kind of like the right child to go into a 182 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: surveying career, which is that he invented what he called 183 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: a drawing machine when he was a kid, which is 184 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: basically this way that projected silhouettes onto things and then 185 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: he would kind of draw them out based on it. 186 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: But like he had this whole mechanism set up, and 187 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: I could never find a really really good description of 188 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: it that I understood how it functioned. But I just 189 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: loved the idea that as a child he was like, 190 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to invent machines that makes sense out of 191 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: things that I can't do artistically. I loved it. Um, 192 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: he sounds fun. The other thing I didn't mention, And 193 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've talked about it on all 194 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: behind the scenes before. Have we ever talked about Swatch 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: Internet time? Oh? I feel like it came up in 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: the context of something, and I remember you telling me 197 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: about it, but I don't remember if then we talked 198 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: about it on the behind the scenes or not. I 199 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: wanted it to be a thing so bad. There was 200 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: a time briefly in the late ninety nineties when Swatch 201 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: was trying to institute this idea of instead of using 202 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: hours and minutes, we would transition everything to one thousand 203 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: beats a day and everybody would be on the same 204 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: beat all the time, whether you were in Atlanta, in 205 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: Hong Kong, in London, and and they had watches that 206 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: worked on beats, and I was like, yes, this is 207 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: one you Ninus saw and nobody wanted to do it. 208 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: But I think it might have been a conversation and 209 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: something like maybe when we were talking about Esperanto and 210 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: having an international language the context of that. So I 211 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: live in eastern Massachusetts, north of Boston. We are in 212 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: the Eastern time zone, and sometimes conversation comes up about 213 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: whether we should really be one time zone farther to 214 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: the east than we are, because man, the sun comes 215 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: up so early. The sun came up this morning at 216 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: five am, which means it was getting light at about 217 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: four thirty UM. And while we have we have these 218 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: like pull down blackout blinds that do make it darker 219 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: than other blinds in the house do like they're more opaque, 220 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: but there's still a thin line between the blind and 221 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: the actual frame. Are like the sill of the window 222 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: where a little bit of light can seep through and 223 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: it is enough to really brighten up the rooms when 224 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: the sun comes up. We haven't put curtains over it 225 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: because we think the cats will climb them. And every 226 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: year I just I forget that I need a sleep 227 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: mask on my face when I go to bed or else. 228 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: The rising sun at four thirty in the more ing 229 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,239 Speaker 1: is going to start waking me up. And that happened today. Uh. 230 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: And it was unfortunate because when I remembered I should 231 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: put a sleep mask on, and I fell back asleep. 232 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: Then I overslept because I had just messed myself. Fall up. Yeah, ma'am, Yeah, 233 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: I think because I naturally shift to vampire hours. If 234 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: left to my own devices, daylight savings shifting back and 235 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: forth has very little meaning to me. I'm like, Okay, yes, 236 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: roll with it, because I'm like, I'm sleeping through daylight, 237 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: daylight anyway, no matter what happens. If it's a weekend, 238 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: the sun has come up before, I have for sure. Yeah, 239 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: I do not enjoy the time changes of daylight saving time. 240 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: I also have a hard time traveling crossing time zones 241 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: like I haven't. I have a hard time with jet 242 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: leg if I'm traveling over a lot of time zones especially, 243 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: And the thing I have the hardest time with is 244 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: in the winter time. I have a little bit of 245 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: just like seasonal difficulty. I've never been diagnosed with anything, 246 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: but I'd like it's noticeably more challenging for me in 247 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: the darker months, and often I am just starting to 248 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: feel like the light is where I wanted to be, 249 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: and then the time changes and it resets, and I'm like, no, 250 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: I see. I don't have any form of seasonal effective 251 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: disorder that I can surmise, but I do have winter 252 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: rage disorder, which has nothing to do with light and 253 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: everything to do with how much I just hate being cold. Yeah, 254 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: it's a very different thing though, But yeah, I have 255 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: always thought like, oh, I'm pretty good with time zone changes, 256 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: which was put to the test recently and I think 257 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: turned out to be correct, because we went to Italy 258 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: for a little over a week and then I came 259 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: back to Atlanta for three days, and then I went 260 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: to California for a little less than a week, and 261 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: that all happened right on and I was fine. It 262 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: didn't bother me. I, on the other hand, had terrible 263 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: jet lag in Italy, especially the first two days we 264 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: were there. I felt very bad. And after I had 265 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: managed to finally get like my first really good night 266 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: of sleep, and I felt like I was acclimating, people 267 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: were like, I was worried about you, and I was like, 268 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm all right now, I just need to remember if 269 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm traveling over that many time zones, I need a 270 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: little time built into it. Just I think I just 271 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: always stay up until it stops being a thing, and 272 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: then that's always my trick, right, Like, Okay, I'll just 273 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: stay up and make myself stay awake until it's the 274 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: right time to go to bed, and then I'm like golden, No, 275 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: But that worked for me mostly coming home. Coming home, 276 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I just stayed up until we were home, and then 277 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: I went to bed at normal time home time, and 278 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: I got on to Eastern time again pretty easily, but 279 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: I still like my body still felt really really tired. 280 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: But going to Italy, I wasn't really able to sleep 281 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: on the plane because of like our connecting flight interrupted 282 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: what would have been sleeping time, and it like didn't 283 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: it didn't work out for me. Yeah, I can't sleep 284 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: on a plane, So I just stay up like thirty 285 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: six hours and then I conk out and then I'm set. 286 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Didn't work for me, and then I'm like, okay, I'll 287 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: have two mohitos and I'll go to bed and then yeah, 288 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: that's the whole clock. Yeah, it was like I was 289 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: too tired to get comfortable, and my brain was also 290 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: like the time is incorrect. I don't know what's wrong 291 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: with you, and so it was like an addition to 292 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: having not slept on the flight, I continued to not 293 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: really sleep for the next two nights and then then 294 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: it worked out. Then I gotta I got onto the 295 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: correct time and it was Okay, this is only a 296 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: problem that happens for people thinking afford to travel internationally. 297 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: I recognized that it is not something that like world, 298 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: but it impacts you even when you're going back and 299 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: forth across the US, like if you have a work thing. 300 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: When we travel for tours and stuff, yeah, usually when 301 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: we if we go to the West Coast for a tour, 302 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the time I will try to get 303 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: there a day early, especially if our show times are later. 304 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: I want to not be a wreck for them. Maybe 305 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: one day we will tour again. Maybe maybe, But in 306 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: any case, I am personally thankful for time. Zon it's 307 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: because not just to try. I'm kind of obsessed with time. 308 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: I love it, um Like, I like how it makes 309 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: order out of chaos, and he is like the one 310 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: thing because I tend to be very um I can 311 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: get very unfocused very quickly. But as long as I 312 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: have like a time in mind, I can kind of 313 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: fix my trajectory and be like no, no, no, no, no, 314 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to still be in the sewing room. 315 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: Go do some work, Go be a grown up for 316 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: a minute. Uh. And I am not particularly inflexible about it, 317 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: but time is just like a perfect guideline for my 318 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: day to day life. I know that probably sounds wildly obvious, 319 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: but like I literally mark out my day of like 320 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: I need to be doing X by X, why by Z, 321 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Like then I'm in a shift to this, and then 322 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: I book in this, and I do kind of schedule 323 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: all my days so that I don't completely, like become 324 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: a floopie nightmare that gets nothing done. I have to 325 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: because I'm doing too many things at once all the time. 326 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: If this is your Friday and you are headed into 327 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: a weekend where you don't have things to do, I 328 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: hope that your time is spent however you wish, and 329 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: that it is enjoyable and delightful, either as structured or 330 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: unstructured as works best for you. Uh. We will be 331 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: right back here tomorrow with a classic, and then on 332 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: Monday there will be brand new episodes coming in. Hot 333 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Stuff You Missed in History Class is a production of 334 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. 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