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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to another episode of the cycle.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Mike Mayer, and I am joined

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Speaker 1: by Kelly Kirby and Ryan Warmly, who just refuses to

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Speaker 1: leave the show, even though he kicked him off and

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Speaker 1: he said he was gonna go work on football, and

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Speaker 1: so there's a reason he's back, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into that pretty much right away here. There's been

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Speaker 1: a situation in a league that we're in together, and basically,

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Speaker 1: we need you, the audience, and we need Kelly to

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Speaker 1: help us decide if I'm going to quit this league

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Speaker 1: this offseason. And I know that most of the time,

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Speaker 1: you know, listeners don't really care about about the leagues

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Speaker 1: that you know, the you know, the hosts are in,

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Speaker 1: and so we're not going to spend a ton of

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Speaker 1: time on it just talking about our leagues. But we

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Speaker 1: did think this situation was interesting enough, and it is

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Speaker 1: pretty similar to some things that are brought up on

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Speaker 1: our discord from time to time or in the at

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Speaker 1: our mail bag email address, where people get into some situations,

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Speaker 1: whether it's about trades and whether things should be void,

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Speaker 1: or about situations in their league and whether they should

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Speaker 1: stay in them or leave or try to track someone

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Speaker 1: down and find their money. And so we're going to

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Speaker 1: bring worm on and discuss what happened in our league.

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Speaker 1: And so, Kelly, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great because I'm not in this league. But

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Speaker 2: let's not act like this is the first time I've

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Speaker 2: had to watch the two of you fight about it.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm glad we're doing it live now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kelly's been privy to our slack dms previewing this discussion.

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Speaker 1: I also shared a lot of the details on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and I got to say, well, let me just.

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Speaker 3: Say this, We're out the bat. You shared a lot

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Speaker 3: of details on Twitter, you did not share all of them.

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Speaker 3: You skipped some pretty key pieces of context that I'm

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Speaker 3: not surprised to vote with the way it did because

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Speaker 3: there was stuff missing in there. So I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: be able to clear the air on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's not keep everyone waiting. Do you want me

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Speaker 1: to dive in and tell everyone, well, what happened in

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Speaker 1: this corrupt league that you invited me.

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Speaker 4: To corrupt ocarties that were Kelly? I want your opinion.

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Speaker 3: Would it be better for mayor who is the perceived

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Speaker 3: aggrieved party to give his stance first, and then me.

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Speaker 4: To rebut it or would be better for me.

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Speaker 3: To give some of the history and context of the

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Speaker 3: league and explain our perspective and then toss the mayor.

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Speaker 4: What do you think would make more sense here?

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Speaker 2: What I think is gonna make sense is I'm going

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Speaker 2: to give Mayor two and a half minutes to give

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Speaker 2: his his approach, and then I'll just interrupt him and

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Speaker 2: then you can explain why he's wrong, because obviously Mayor's wrong.

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad we're establishing that early.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, objection, But by the way, like, yeah, I know

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Speaker 3: you're to your point about like people not really caring

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Speaker 3: so much about people's consider this like a fantasy court scenario, right,

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Speaker 3: like like chose you that all the time? This is like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think I think it's one sided, but

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Speaker 3: you know, I think it's an interesting conversation and it's

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Speaker 3: not you know, related to the strength of a specific player.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of that rules and commissioner type stuff that

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Speaker 3: I think people will have an opinion on. So I'm

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Speaker 3: hoping everybody in the comments will will share their opinion

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Speaker 3: and you know, respectfully tell you that you are being crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I hope so too.

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Speaker 3: Also, the last thing I'll say too is is I

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Speaker 3: was literally messaging you mayre the day before this all

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Speaker 3: went down about how you know, one thing that this

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Speaker 3: show has been missing in the two years you and

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Speaker 3: I have done it is we agree a little too much,

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Speaker 3: like there are players that you might you know, have

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Speaker 3: ranked more highly than me, or something like. It's not

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Speaker 3: like we literally have the exact same opinion on everything,

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Speaker 3: but by and large we're in the same direction on

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Speaker 3: most stuff, and we tend to largely be pretty like

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Speaker 3: real debate. And literally less than twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 3: almost like, you know, good timing that this happened, and

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Speaker 3: I figured this would be a good transition for me

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Speaker 3: off the show here moving forward, but for this season,

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Speaker 3: I should clarify, we're we're not canceling the show over this,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, go ahead and and give your opinion here.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll break it down real quick. I don't

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Speaker 1: have to spend a full two and a half minutes on.

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Speaker 1: I'll give everyone the background. So this past offseason, Worm

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Speaker 1: invited me to this long running league that he's been

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Speaker 1: a part of. It's a hybrid keeper slash dynasty points league.

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Speaker 1: We've mentioned in a bunch on the show as a

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Speaker 1: point of reverence. And so I took over probably the

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Speaker 1: worst orphan team I've ever seen in my life in

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Speaker 1: any sport, and between some good drafting and a lot

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Speaker 1: of good luck, thank you, Kyle Raley, I actually took

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Speaker 1: them from worst to in the playoff hunt. And so

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun trying to compete in

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Speaker 1: this league with you know, a bunch of members who

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Speaker 1: know each other. That's key to this story. And so

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Speaker 1: what happened recently is the Emmanuel class a suspension happened,

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Speaker 1: and it happened on a Monday, which is the worst

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Speaker 1: timing for a weekly lineup league. And I'm in other

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Speaker 1: leagues where there is an emergency clause where something like

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Speaker 1: this happens, and maybe like once a year you're able

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Speaker 1: to message the commissioner and say, Hey, I have an emergency,

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Speaker 1: can you swap out this player for me? And it's

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Speaker 1: no problem. I asked for that in this league, and

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Speaker 1: they said, no, that's not a thing. You just have

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Speaker 1: to take the empty lineup spot. And because it's a

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Speaker 1: in other other another spots. So I didn't have another reliever.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, that's a bummer. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm just gonna have to take the zero

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Speaker 1: two reasons. One, it's it's weekly head to head points league,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't until I think Friday night, where the commissioner,

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Speaker 1: other this, my opponent's illegal lineup from you know, a

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Speaker 1: I lost my head to head matchup with my opponent.

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Speaker 1: He ended up having a great week with his you know,

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Speaker 1: Probably players who were already doing great that week were

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Speaker 1: outraged by this. And again I'm the newcomer to the league,

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Speaker 1: and it feels very suspicious that the bubble playoff team

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Speaker 1: who's the newcomer, is like being punished so that one

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Speaker 1: my case.

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Speaker 2: Cool that only took three minutes and twelve seconds. All right, worm,

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Speaker 2: what you got?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 3: So very key pieces of information are missing from Mayor's story.

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Speaker 4: Uh number one.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the reason turn, the reason that you were

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Speaker 3: on your ucer, it would have been I'm not the commissioner,

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Speaker 3: but I'm just saying we to represent the league. But

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Speaker 3: like it would have been moved in. You didn't we

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Speaker 3: The only scenario in which this is going to burn

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Speaker 3: was a very specific set of circumstances that led to that,

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Speaker 3: we don't have this rule in place. We have actually

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Speaker 3: see a difference between a suspension versus an injury. Obviously

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Speaker 3: one is way more unique of a scenario, but effectively

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing. You are all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: without warning, not having this player for a week in

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Speaker 4: So that was just quickly on that.

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Speaker 3: First part, the illegal lineup. There was no putting in

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Speaker 3: wasn't that his lineup was incomplete and it was made full.

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Speaker 4: By the commissioner.

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Speaker 3: The only fix that was made was there was a

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Speaker 3: for all we know, no, no, we do know what

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Speaker 3: we do know there was a So there was this

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Speaker 3: that May and I talked about in the show with

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Speaker 3: basically trying to like like torpedo this thing. So for

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Speaker 3: one week only, our commissioner added a third IL spot.

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Speaker 4: We usually only have two.

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Speaker 3: He added a third IL spot to make this guy's lineup. Okay,

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Speaker 3: not let him ruin the league. He had quit the

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Speaker 3: league already, but we got a new manager to replace him.

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Speaker 3: It was a one week only third IL spot. There

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Speaker 3: were like six hundred messages about this in our chat

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Speaker 3: because there was a lot of back and forth with

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Speaker 3: in the playoff hunt at all, he's very very having

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Speaker 3: a bad season, was in the middle of a big

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Speaker 3: move and was like, I can't read through all these

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Speaker 3: You know, let me throw a guy in there, go

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Speaker 3: gets into the next week, didn't rea it. The game

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Speaker 3: There have been people who have started only three outfielders

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Speaker 3: So the two things coming together, I get why they are, like,

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Speaker 4: It was literally just, hey, this isn't fair too.

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Speaker 3: It's just to help the guy behold, not to help him,

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Speaker 1: Why I just if I had just put Emmanuel Class

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Speaker 3: Couldn't have put you couldn't have put him in the IL.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't have done that, now that I'm taking through

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Speaker 4: And that's all that happened. And the last thing I'll

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Speaker 3: In is that I, uh, you know, I am telling

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Speaker 3: Like like having it be a decision that you didn't

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Speaker 3: like corruption is like really strong. Our commissioner is not perfect.

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Speaker 3: He is sometimes a word that I won't say because

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Speaker 3: He is not bias start corrupt like he will. He

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Speaker 4: Well everybody in this league knows each other.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of people that just like, oh hey,

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Speaker 1: All right, I have one more piece of evidence, potentially

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Speaker 1: when the commissioner of this league sent a draft recap

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Speaker 1: because it looks like we have evidence from several months

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Speaker 4: What he wants to happen what he predicted to happen.

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Speaker 2: Boys, boys, Mayor, you're the only person that would do that.

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Speaker 2: You're the only person who would write that message and

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Speaker 2: So you were right six months ago. You're You're it.

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Speaker 2: You're the only human being, I believe entirely on the planet.

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Speaker 2: So I just want to weigh in with that. And

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Speaker 2: I know, I name, I know worm's got a jet.

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Speaker 2: So I see both sides of this pretty well. I

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Speaker 2: And this is thegether? I've had commissioners do odd ball things.

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Speaker 2: But I also think that you know you, you tend

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Speaker 2: such a weird experience whenever there's those one offs as

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Speaker 2: you just kind of have to make the best decision

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Speaker 2: that you can. But above all else, why are you

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Speaker 2: playing in weekly points leagues? They suck? That's my That

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Speaker 4: You know, it's fun.

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Speaker 3: Mayor has specifically told me he really likes the format

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Speaker 3: of this league. It's it's like, it's, yeah, it's not

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Speaker 4: It's a pseudo dynasty league.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite leagues that I play, and

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Speaker 3: honestly because I really enjoy the format too. Also, Mayor

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Speaker 3: This is the last week of the regular season, but

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Speaker 3: he is. He's still currently in and and you know,

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Speaker 3: the initial like, WHOA, what's going on here? But then

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Speaker 3: once that was answered, I would think, you know, there

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Speaker 4: I think it's a fun league.

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Speaker 3: You want to embrace being the villain, fine, but I

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Speaker 3: don't think you are the villain. Most people that I've

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Speaker 3: with the league and would be happy to see you

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Also, the teams behind you sold off

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Speaker 3: at the deadline, so it's not like there's some like

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Speaker 3: where I stand. I think, I think it's crazy to

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I think it's hard to stay in the

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Speaker 1: and you see corrupt.

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Speaker 4: But why don't you?

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Speaker 3: Why don't you trust me when I tell you, Hey,

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Speaker 3: this isn't corruption.

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Speaker 1: You're not the commission, you're not to want the power.

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Speaker 3: But I tell I know the commission very well, and

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you this is not a corrupt decision.

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Speaker 1: This got you fooled too.

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Speaker 3: What I'm really confused by, and I do have to

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Speaker 3: hop after this. But why I'm really cofuse guys, Why

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Speaker 3: do I think the previous history of league is irrelevant?

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Speaker 1: Because I wasn't in it then, how do I know?

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Speaker 3: But you were in it earlier this year when there

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Speaker 3: have been in it when this has happened. It's been

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Speaker 3: established precedent in your timer. I guess I think that's relevant.

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Speaker 1: There's no evidence of that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, anyways, it's not corruption or we love having

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Speaker 3: you in the league. You've impressed everybody with turnaround, the

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Speaker 4: Kind of butter me up to keep me in the No,

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Speaker 4: it don't, so that's a genuine thought.

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Speaker 3: Also, one thing I will say about your turnaround is

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Speaker 3: you were left cal Rally.

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Speaker 4: This was not a shrewd pick up by you. You

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Speaker 1: He's in the luck Coom. He's also one dollar cal Rally.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going up next year, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, eventually it'll go up.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's next year or not. But yeah,

437
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Speaker 3: we want to keep in the league. It's not corruption,

438
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Speaker 3: I hope you hear what I had to say, and

439
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Speaker 3: here with the commenter is what I'm hoping they'll say too.

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Speaker 3: But thank you for giving me one kind of send off. Here,

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Speaker 3: enjoy doing the show for the next couple of months

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Speaker 3: without me.

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Speaker 4: I'll be listening.

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Speaker 3: Kelly, Please don't ruin my lead in the two star

445
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Speaker 3: pitcher competition.

446
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Speaker 2: Absolutely guarantee that I will.

447
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Speaker 1: We'll smell you later and we'll take a break. Welcome

448
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Speaker 1: back in everyone. We got rid of Worm and we

449
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Speaker 1: can continue on with the show. Now it's now down

450
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Speaker 1: to a two person show. We're not going to be

451
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Speaker 1: stuck dealing with all of Worm's lies and corruption anymore.

452
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Speaker 1: And for regular listen to listeners of the show. For

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Speaker 1: this first video, we we typically call it rounding the basis,

454
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Speaker 1: So we have a number of topics, usually four, hence

455
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Speaker 1: the basis, and we kind of go around and talk

456
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Speaker 1: about sometimes the news notes and injuries or some other

457
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Speaker 1: segments we want to get to. We just wasted the

458
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Speaker 1: first segment on Worm and talking about his corrupt league,

459
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Speaker 1: and so now we'll continue with the remaining segments. And so, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: does that sound good to you? It may be Worm

461
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Speaker 1: is now that he's not here you can actually talk

462
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Speaker 1: a little bit more.

463
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Speaker 2: Oh. I mean, I didn't know if I was just

464
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Speaker 2: in here for a little bit and then you were

465
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Speaker 2: just going to take over on your owns. But I think, yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: that was a really great, lively first base discussion. And

467
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Speaker 2: I hope the two of you feel better, and now

468
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Speaker 2: maybe you can stop messaging me about it, and I

469
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Speaker 2: look forward to talking baseball with you now.

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Speaker 1: So well, it'll be fun. It'll be fun to see

471
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Speaker 1: what the commenters think. As I said, the people on

472
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Speaker 1: Twitter eighty five percent agree with me that it's actually

473
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Speaker 1: absolutely absurd. And it'll also be fun because the commenters

474
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Speaker 1: all season long have suspect did that warm and eye

475
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Speaker 1: just can't stand each other and uh lo and behold

476
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Speaker 1: it turns out there right and all right. So the

477
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Speaker 1: next segment I wanted to get into is one of

478
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Speaker 1: the favorite ones I like to talk about.

479
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Speaker 2: It.

480
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Speaker 1: I just call it are these players broken? And there's

481
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Speaker 1: a few players we can talk about here. I threw

482
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Speaker 1: into a couple, and I think you threw in one

483
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Speaker 1: or two two where there should they should a lot

484
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Speaker 1: of promise earlier in the season and now maybe not

485
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Speaker 1: so much. And so the first player I wanted to

486
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Speaker 1: talk about was Mackenzie Gore, and so I could just

487
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Speaker 1: toss it right back to you. I have a few

488
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Speaker 1: thoughts too, But what are your thoughts on the current

489
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Speaker 1: state of Mackenzie Gore given his recent implosion. I would

490
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Speaker 1: I would call it.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish that he'd like imploded a little bit.

492
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Speaker 2: So he's been terrible since All Star Break. I don't

493
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Speaker 2: know what happened over that time, but I wish he'd

494
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Speaker 2: imploded quickly and then had like two really good starts

495
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Speaker 2: so I could have flipped him in the league that

496
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Speaker 2: I have him in. But instead, you know, he's he

497
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Speaker 2: has been. He's been more than terrible. I mean, on

498
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Speaker 2: Tuesday against the Athletics, of all teams, three innings pitched,

499
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Speaker 2: eight runs, eight earned, Like I mean it is he

500
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Speaker 2: had a whip of in that game of four thirty three. Yeah,

501
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: I mean then that's yeah, And that is the worst

502
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Speaker 2: part because at least, you know, I can deal with

503
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: some terrible other things if you're just going to strike

504
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Speaker 2: people up. Yeah, know, he's been terrible. I hate giving Welsh,

505
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Speaker 2: you know, I hate giving Joe or Welsh credit on anything.

506
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Speaker 2: But Welsh did suggest trading him in like our last

507
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Speaker 2: bi loosl high and I thought he was crazy and

508
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: was like, now I'm going to hold on to him,

509
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Speaker 2: and yeah, I would in one of my leagues in

510
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Speaker 2: which I'm most competitive. Right now, I don't know what

511
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Speaker 2: to do with him, so he seems broken.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wanted to jump in on one of

513
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Speaker 1: the one of the you mentioned the word trade, which

514
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Speaker 1: is something that jumped out to me because I think

515
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Speaker 1: it was a couple of weeks ago on the cycle

516
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Speaker 1: we were talking about trade deadline candidates and we're where

517
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Speaker 1: different players could go and whether or not that would

518
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Speaker 1: impact their value, and Mackenzie Gore's name surprisingly came up

519
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Speaker 1: at the trade deadline. And you wouldn't think that a

520
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Speaker 1: rebuilding team like the Nationals would be interested in moving

521
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Speaker 1: a young, you know, seemingly very very good starting pitcher,

522
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Speaker 1: and but it's that his name floated in it, and

523
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Speaker 1: the Cubs, who you're a fan of, were one of

524
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Speaker 1: the teams interested. And so what I was wondering now,

525
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Speaker 1: because this implosion has kind of quickly followed that, did

526
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Speaker 1: the Nationals know something like did they kind of see

527
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Speaker 1: this coming behind the scenes and be like, hey, like

528
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Speaker 1: this really really good starters available if anybody wants to

529
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Speaker 1: overpay for him. And now it's like that maybe they

530
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Speaker 1: got caught helding the hot potato. But like, this is

531
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Speaker 1: also something Gore has done kind of throughout his career

532
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Speaker 1: and and I say career, even like his young professional

533
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Speaker 1: career when he was coming up. He's he's kind of

534
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Speaker 1: flashed this dominance and then fallen apart, and then flash

535
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Speaker 1: dominance and then falling apart, and so it just seems

536
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Speaker 1: to be part of the Mackenzie Gore experience. Yea, And yeah,

537
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do at this point because yeah, I.

538
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Speaker 2: Mean yeah, well, I mean, like even the one so

539
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: he's lost his last four. He's lost the only four

540
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Speaker 2: games he started since the All Star break, but like

541
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Speaker 2: the one game against Minnesota, he pitched five innings and

542
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: he only gave up one earned run and whatever, but

543
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: he walked six people, and it's like, you, these are

544
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 2: all signs. So yeah, when the clubs were looking at him,

545
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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, like you know, if we can

546
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Speaker 2: get the first half back, cool, but I think that

547
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: they Yeah, my guess is that there's an injury that

548
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: either he's not disclosing or the Gnats were trying to

549
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: like get past and it maybe it may be minor,

550
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: but it's certainly causing a lot of issues. So yeah,

551
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: so in this case, I'm very glad. My dad was

552
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: all over wanting us to get me accord, and I

553
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, if we get that first one, But

554
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be around for

555
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Speaker 2: the rest of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was listening to I think it was a

557
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Speaker 1: couple of days ago the CBS guys talked about him,

558
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Speaker 1: and they said that it's possible that, you know, he's

559
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: had mechanics issues in the past, and that he had

560
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Speaker 1: to go down to rookie Ball at one point to

561
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Speaker 1: kind of work on his mechanics. It could also be

562
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Speaker 1: a Haesostal's artist situation where he's just all of a

563
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: sudden tipping his pitches and everyone knows it but him.

564
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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like I said, it's something that he's

566
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Speaker 1: done before in his career, and it's kind of unfortunate

567
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Speaker 1: that it's happening this badly to the point where his

568
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Speaker 1: it's a very small sample size, but his second half

569
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Speaker 1: the ra is thirteen point two one. A lot of

570
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Speaker 1: that is the heavy lifting done by his most recent start,

571
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Speaker 1: whereas he pissed three innings in his era for that

572
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: game was twenty four, but even in July six point

573
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Speaker 1: seven five era, after kind of cruising through May and June. Yeah,

574
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Speaker 1: are you dropping them or do you just like bench him?

575
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Speaker 1: At this point?

576
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Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, I think I don't know

577
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Speaker 2: what his home road splits are, but I unless it

578
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: is a cakewalk, and I'm not sure other than the Rockies,

579
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Speaker 2: I'm not really sure who who the cakewalk is anymore

580
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Speaker 2: because the it Suck seemed to be hitting a ton

581
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Speaker 2: of home runs all of a sudden. So yeah, I

582
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: right now, I think he's just I can't start him,

583
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: but I also can't drop him and have someone else

584
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Speaker 2: like kind of pick him up for free and then

585
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Speaker 2: have him turn back into something that I need. So no,

586
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I need to see like one or

587
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: two above average, two good stars if I'm gonna put

588
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Speaker 2: him back in.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I and his strike the strikeouts have been trending down,

590
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Speaker 1: like you said too, it's kind of like it's been

591
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Speaker 1: a pretty rapid implosion, but it's also kind of been

592
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Speaker 1: like there have been, you know, there have been signs

593
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Speaker 1: that this is coming. Yes, Yeah. The next player I

594
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Speaker 1: wanted to hit is Lawrence Butler, who I had mixed

595
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: feelings about coming into the season, and I still very

596
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: much have mixed feelings about but like more recently, I

597
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: have more concerns than mixed feelings about him, because it's

598
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: gotten pretty bad. And he also three of the A's

599
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: last four games have been against left handers, and he

600
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Speaker 1: has not started any of them, which is not good.

601
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Speaker 1: And the one game he did start against the rity,

602
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: he batted seventh. And he had previously most of the time,

603
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Speaker 1: not exclusively, but most of the time, but hitting at

604
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Speaker 1: the top of the lineup, and so even as recently

605
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: as July twenty seventh against the lefty he bat at second.

606
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: And so the fact that he's just like not even

607
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: in the lineup against lefties right now is concerning. And

608
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: the stats are concerning too. The batting average is down

609
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: to two thirty two. Expect the batting average of two

610
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: thirty two still has fifteen home runs and seventeen stolen bases,

611
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: But also that comes with a twenty eight point eight

612
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: percent strikeout rate, and if we look at some of

613
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: his splits he batted, so the first two months of

614
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: the season. His batting average was around two sixty, so

615
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: two fifty four in March and April to sixty two

616
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: in May, then in June it dropped to two thirty four,

617
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: July one seventy four, and then August. Obviously extremely small

618
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: sampleasize only four games one fifty four, and so currently

619
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Speaker 1: his first at batting average two fifty one, second batting

620
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: average one seventeen. Obviously it's one to two five. We

621
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: know the batting average is not everything, but those are

622
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: pretty concerning trends. So do do you have any more

623
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Speaker 1: or any other thoughts on Lawrence Butler and his recent

624
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: struggles other than the very surface level stats. I just

625
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: provided it as well A should call them.

626
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think like as I'm looking at

627
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: it too, just he he's had fifteen more at bats

628
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: this year than all of last year, and like all

629
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: of his numbers are down like significantly. He's been caught

630
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: stealing five times. He wasn't caught at all last year

631
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: when he stole eighteen. So in this case, if it's

632
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: a shallower league, like I have no trouble dropping him

633
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: because honestly, like it's an outfielders you can find this

634
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: production kind of anywhere and just kind of grab the

635
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: hot bat and go. But you know, if if I

636
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: wish that I had let him go in one of

637
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: the leagues that I was in that I got knocked

638
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: out of our just ridiculously early the playoffs, mostly because

639
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: he just did nothing and and I was, you know,

640
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: and I was just left with this terrible batting average,

641
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: and you know, he homerd he had two homers in

642
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: that one game, and like, yay, but who was even

643
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: starting him by that point. So so yeah, so I

644
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: actually see him like, as you go toward a playoff,

645
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: wish he's he's a drop for me. I'm not. I

646
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't worry about it.

647
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: It's funny to say that because I'm in a shallow,

648
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: shallower league. It's only ten teams, but it's pretty deep lineups,

649
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: and it's also it's deep keeper and so you don't

650
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: really want to cut you know, potentially really good young

651
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: players loose because we keep ten players. You know, it's

652
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: borderline dynasty. But I consider cutting him today. It's daily lineups,

653
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: and well, we're going to talk about a player in

654
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: the next segment when we talk about our waivers and

655
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: streamers who I picked up in that league, and Lawrence

656
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Butler was the player I considered dropping. I ended up

657
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: realizing that I had a player who was recently placed

658
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: on the IL, so I was able to use the

659
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: IL splot. But if I didn't have that iles but

660
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: I was looking long and hard at cutting Lawrence Butler.

661
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Even if you look at his stackcast data last year,

662
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, we like to say a lot of red,

663
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: like bat speed, sweet spot, hard hit, barrel percentage, averagex

664
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: of velocity, expected slugging, expected batting I respected WOVA all

665
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: well above average, so like eighty third percent out, you know,

666
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: mostly like right around at eighty mark. There's a couple

667
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: of sixty two's in there. If you look at twenty

668
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: twenty five, there's a lot of blue, and you know,

669
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: expected WELBA seventeenth percent percent expected batting average, fourteenth expected

670
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: slugg in twenty seventh. Average ex velocity is still fine.

671
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: Barrel hit hit hard or hard hit, and sweet spot

672
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: rate are all right around league average and not terrible,

673
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: but not as good as he was doing last year.

674
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: Bat speed's still good, squared up his way down and

675
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: then with K percentage like he's near the bottom the

676
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: league and so he's still a young hitter. It could

677
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: just be one of those chess matches of where you know,

678
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: the league has now adjusted to him and he needs

679
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: to adjust back. But it's not looking great right now.

680
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: And a team like the ain't the Athletics, who are

681
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: not They have like a decent lineup, but they're not

682
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: incredibly deep. The fact that they're just willing to sit

683
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: him down, it's pretty concerning.

684
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

685
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Onto our next player, James Wood. I think you added

686
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: him to the sheets. So why don't you tell me

687
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: about James Wood and his struggles? Who's James Wood?

688
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Who is James Wood? I wonder if he's questioned his

689
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: existential being the last couple of weeks. Well, also in

690
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: our insiders league, so my outfield had Butler and Wood

691
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: in it. So in case you're wondering why I got

692
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: knocked out, that's where we start. But let me say

693
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: by you're not dropping James Wood. I do not care

694
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: what the lead I mean, unless it is a five

695
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: team league, like, just hang on to him. I'm not

696
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: necessarily worried about his underlying anything at this particular point.

697
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: I am worried about what he's going to do for

698
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: you in the playoffs, because I don't you know, sometimes

699
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: when they come out and they start to struggle, and

700
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: you it's hard when you're that young sometimes to like

701
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: turn that around. And you know, he's played in a

702
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: ton more games than last year, but his strikeouts are up.

703
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: And the other problem I have is his babub is

704
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: three twenty eight, which I mean that's not you know,

705
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: we only have like seventy nine games last year to

706
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: compare it to, and it was even higher than But

707
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: like for right now, I just yeah, I mean, he's

708
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: another one that it's like I kind of am gonna

709
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: set him a little bit more if I can, if

710
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: I have the room, and just kind of wait to

711
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: see if he heats back up, because right now that

712
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: is it is ugly. So yeah, the.

713
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: Only thing is that in points leagues he does walk

714
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot, so he's not completely burying you there, but

715
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: he is striking out a lot, which is burying you.

716
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hasn't homeward since July ninth.

717
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

718
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, We've talked about his profile a lot on the show,

720
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: because especially the power profile, because there's a lot to

721
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: love about it in the sense that he sprays his

722
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: power everywhere, which is that's what you want. You don't

723
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: want like just a pole guy. He does go opposite field,

724
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: probably a little bit more than you would want as

725
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: someone like, you know, especially with a new age kind

726
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: of like pull and lift is what you want to

727
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: hear with these young power hitters. He just kind of

728
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: sprays it all over the field, which overall I'm fine with.

729
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's you know, years ago, when you were

730
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: teaching young hitters how to hit, it was all about

731
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, using the entire field and you know, being

732
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: able to go the other way with power. That's one

733
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: of the things that makes Aaron Judge so phenomenal is

734
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: that he's able to just control the strike zone and

735
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: just flip home runs to ride field, especially in that

736
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: Tea and China Ballpark. The James Wood stackcast data is

737
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: also very, very good. There's a lot of dark red now,

738
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that. The heavy lifting there is probably

739
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: done by earlier in the season when he was so hot.

740
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily updated to what is happening more recently.

741
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I agree, Lawrence Butler is a borderline drop.

742
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: James Wood, you should not be dropped under any circumstances.

743
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: Even the the Nationals are not sitting him down. He's

744
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: still playing every day, even against left he's still batting second.

745
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: He's just like the heart of that lineup. They don't

746
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: have anything to play for, and they're just going to

747
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: let him work through this as they should.

748
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he literally, he's just he's been eight

749
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: for sixty one since you all start break eight for

750
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: sixty one. Ain't gonna cut it. So yeah, no, you

751
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: don't cut him. You hang on. If he gets on

752
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: a hot streak, you put him, you put him in.

753
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Otherwise you just kind of if it's like a five

754
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: outfielder league, like you play him and sort of just

755
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: hope for things to happen.

756
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, the July ninth home run thing is something I

757
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't know that's interesting. And he only has two home runs.

758
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: He has twenty four horme runs on the season, but

759
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: only two cents July. I'm sorry, must have hit one

760
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: before July ninth, ye, whereas in April, May and June nine,

761
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: seven to six, and so a lot of that power

762
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: the first half of the season. But I do think he's

763
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: the kind of player who can and will turn this around.

764
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: But it might just be a situation where you play

765
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: matchups and sit him down for a week, and if

766
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: you're anything like me, as soon as you sit him,

767
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: he'll be fixed. And so that's exactly what you need

768
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: to do. I also in that we were in dueling

769
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: Fantasy prost leagues. We have like step multiple leagues where

770
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: that like run simultaneously and then we like meet in

771
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I also had James Wood and was eliminated

772
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So maybe that's why the last player, sorry,

773
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: the last player I wanted to hit in are these

774
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: players broken? Is Jack Flaherty, And he hasn't had the

775
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: maybe the same level of struggles as these other three,

776
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: but he is kind of an enigma right now, and

777
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about him just because it's he's

778
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: been so interesting and he recently had a blow up start,

779
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: but also it's like he hasn't been consistently bad for

780
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: like a long enough stretch to kind of write him off.

781
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: And then I was also looking at I'll pull it

782
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: up here, I was looking at his already had it up.

783
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I was looking at his stack cast page just to

784
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: kind of see what's been happening. Is there any kind

785
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: of pitch mix change, and you know, is one of

786
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: his pitches getting hit harder, his velocity down and anything

787
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: like that, And I didn't see anything looking at you know,

788
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: kind of like this year to last year, the four

789
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: seamer velocity, like the velocity of all his pitches are

790
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: about the same. The only real pitch mixed change is

791
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: he's throwing his knuckle curve more and his slider a

792
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: little bit less, but not like egregious numbers. It was

793
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: like twenty five, like twenty six, twenty three percent, and

794
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: now it's like flipped twenty nine to twenty two percent,

795
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: So noticeable difference, but not like egregious. And even so,

796
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: if you look at the batting average against all of

797
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: his pitches, last year's last year four seamer two forty

798
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: five bating average against this year two fifty two. Last

799
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: year's knuckle curve one sixty four, this year won seventy six.

800
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: Last year's slider to twenty two, this year two to

801
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: fifty nine. So there's a slight jump there, but he's

802
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: using a slider less and it doesn't feel like such

803
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: an egregious jump that you would like notice some of

804
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: these things. So I know, I added Jack Flaherty to

805
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: the sheet pretty late. You might not have had much

806
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: time to dive in, but do you have any thoughts

807
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: on the Jack Flaherty experience.

808
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: Well, once you added him, I just kind of did

809
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: a cursory glance of like his fangrass page, just to

810
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: see where we were at, and like, the only thing

811
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: that pops out is like his home away splits our

812
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: significant with regard to e RA patters are batting two

813
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: ten against him at home, but two sixty three on

814
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: the road. So I'm not sure if that's necessarily predictive

815
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: of anything, but maybe you know, it's the Louis Severino,

816
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: the reverse Louis Severino treatment, where like, if he's home,

817
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: start pretty much with confidence. If he's away, then you

818
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: might play a little bit more match up. But now

819
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: I looked at him for the next segment with the

820
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: two starters and it was kind of that, well, I

821
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: don't know, it could be great, or are we going

822
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: to get one of the five runs? I mean, this

823
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: was against Minnesota, right after they dumped the whole like

824
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: their whole team, and I'm like, so you're not You're

825
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: up against basically a triple A squad, and he just

826
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: got sheld. So yeah, he's he's a mystery. I don't

827
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: know if he's broken, but he's certainly like injured in

828
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: our metaphor. I don't think he's injured in person.

829
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's still one hundred and forty seven strikeouts,

830
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty innings. His earra is up to

831
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: four point five six, but all the expected numbers are

832
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: four ten, three sixty eight, three fifty eight, three ninety nine.

833
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: Whip is a little high at one twenty eight, but

834
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: also that he's done that in the past, it's kind

835
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: of been a thing. But the k rate is like

836
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: about the same swing. Strike rate is like still up

837
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: over his career or right around his career. Average hard

838
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: hit numbers are up a little bit, but like there's

839
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: no like like how in our previous segment I found

840
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: a smoking gun when you know, I found Worm's commissioner

841
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: has been conspiring against me since March. There's no smoking

842
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: gun in the Jack Flaherty profile that I see, unless

843
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: there's something that I'm missing. So, and I do think

844
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: they like going to Detroit has kind of like revitalized

845
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: his career, and so I'm fairly confident they're going to

846
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of get him turned around and like I said before,

847
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: and then we can move on. It hasn't been like

848
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: a prolonged struggle like he's recently coming off a start

849
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: against the Twins like you mentioned, where he did he

850
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: went four and two thirds innings and gave up six runs,

851
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: five of them earned. But before that, he was coming

852
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: off of two quality starts where he had only given

853
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: up one run over twelve innings. Before that three innings,

854
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: three runs, and then you know, a few mixed bags,

855
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: a couple of quality starts. Then you go all the

856
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: way back to June eight runs against the Rays, right

857
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: after he allowed seven runs against the Reds. And so

858
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: he's gone through these periods where he's gone out of whack.

859
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Given how some of the other bad starts have gone,

860
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: they've kind of come in two or threes. So he

861
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: just had one. Maybe don't start him this week so

862
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: while he works out all the kinks. But okay, next segment,

863
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: we'll go over to third base. I wanted to do

864
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: a bullpen check in whom and I did a little

865
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: bit of this heading into the trade down deadline and

866
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: then coming out of the trade deadline, just because this

867
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: was one of the wilder trade deadlines that I can remember,

868
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: not in the sense that like a ton of big

869
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: names removed, but a ton of players removed, especially a

870
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: ton of pitchers, especially a ton of relief pitchers, where

871
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: I don't recall like league wide the bullpens being this

872
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: wide open, especially like a lot of the situations that

873
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: were left behind, So you have like the perfect scenarios

874
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: where you know, the Phillies went out and acquired an

875
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: elite closer, so it was like perfect great team needed

876
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: a great closer, perfect match. Some of the other situations,

877
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: like the Yankees, we're still figuring out what's gonna happen

878
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: there because Definitelyiams is falling apart. And then a lot

879
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: of the situations that were left behind, there's like committees

880
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: or we don't know who the closer is. Maybe they

881
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: don't know who the closer is, and so I wanted

882
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: to go through some of them. We don't have to

883
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: go through like every scenario. But you on fantaspros dot com,

884
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: you do help update our closer depth chart. You're doing

885
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a great job there, especially because that means I don't

886
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: have to do it, which I really appreciate. But uh,

887
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, you updated every week, and so is there

888
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: anyone are there any are there any teams or players

889
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: that you specifically want to talk about? And then I

890
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: can I can kind of also run through the sheet

891
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: if you prefer that.

892
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I was just gonna say with the A

893
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: I could not believe how many relievers were like traded,

894
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: and I deserve a raise for updating the Closer Report

895
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: the day after all of that went down, because I

896
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: was just like, I don't know, let's all guess, right.

897
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: But the Yankees, like kind of they did a thing

898
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: that I feel like some teams do, and particularly the

899
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: Yankees do a lot where you bring in all these players,

900
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: but you have no idea how you want to use them,

901
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: and and so then all of a sudden you're just like, Okay,

902
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: now I've got Ben Nirn, I've got Williams, and who's

903
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: gonna get what? And and a lot of times, really,

904
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: you know, there can be they can be a little fickle.

905
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: They can be a little fickle. So if they don't

906
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: know what their role is, then all of a sudden

907
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: it gets it gets a little hairy for them. And

908
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: they're professionals and they but I mean, how many times

909
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: have you seen someone who's just a lock down eighthan

910
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: and guy who cannot close to save his life. Like

911
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: it's just it's the leverage.

912
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: And the option. How many times have you seen a

913
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: closer come in a game early and it's like, this

914
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: is not ninth inning? What are we doing here? Yeah?

915
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's a so yeah. So I feel

916
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: like between them and kind of and the padres to

917
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: some extent. I mean, Mason Miller blues first save but

918
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: then got the second one. You're just it's going to

919
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: take a minute, I think for them to sort it out.

920
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: But the Yankees are just definitely a bigger They're just

921
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: a bigger mess because they have too many people and

922
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: you have to trust that you know their manager is

923
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: going to know what he's doing, and that's a hard.

924
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Ask, especially for that manager. So some of these other

925
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: situations I'll run through real quick because I just look

926
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: as preparing for this segment, I was just looking at

927
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: our closer depth chart and just trying to piece together

928
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: what's going on in some of these situations, because I

929
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: would imagine in a lot of your leagues, if you

930
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: need saves, you were impact by the trade deadline in

931
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: some way and you're probably looking for a streamer closer

932
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: or potentially a closer for the rest of the season,

933
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: and so I'll just run through some of them. So

934
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: the Oriel situation, it looks like Keegan Aiken is the

935
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: closer maybe, but he also he got a save on Saturday,

936
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: August second. No one has had a save for the

937
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: Oiel since then, so we don't know if anything has changed,

938
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: but like it looks like he's the closer, maybe question mark.

939
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: The White Sox appear to be in a full blown committee.

940
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. No one there has had to save

941
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: since Saturday, and the person who got the save on

942
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: Saturday was Jordan Leisure, but the Stephen Wilson got the

943
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: save before that, and so it sure looks like they're

944
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: in a full blown committee and also like not really

945
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: a team you want to chase for saves anyway. The

946
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: Athletics famously traded away Mason Miller for one of the

947
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: top prospects in baseball. Their top prospect they received it

948
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: was not a closer, and so they have a closer

949
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: opening because Mason Miller was their closer. It looks like

950
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: it's maybe Sean Nucombe for now, Like I don't know

951
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: ye see on the Red Sox earlier this year. I

952
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: think it was like a starter for the Red Sox

953
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: like earlier this season.

954
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

955
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of been all over the place.

956
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't mind. Uh, topa in Minnesota, I

957
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 2: kind of I like his numbers. He was with the

958
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: Cubs for a while, I think, and uh, I can

959
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: see him picking up some saves because apparently they've decided

960
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: not to suck entirely. But yeah, no, I don't know

961
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: about Nucombe, but I'm not sure if I would be

962
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: sold on him.

963
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I assumed that in Minnesota it was going to

964
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: be col Sands, but apparently not. Apparently. It seems like.

965
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: I got to save on on Tuesday.

966
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think col Sands that he pitched

967
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: in that game too, m hm, do you do do

968
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: he did? Yeah, but not in the ninth the Rangers,

969
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: I assumed it was going to continue to be Robert Garcia,

970
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: but now it looks like they might be moving more

971
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: to a committee with Phil Mayton. The Marlins I just

972
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: wrote down whatever, pretty similar to the White Sox. It's

973
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: like a committee, but also like even if you know,

974
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: if they had a lockdown closer. It's he would be

975
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: worth rostering because even though it's a bad team, you

976
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: could still probably get a handful of saves. I'm not

977
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: chasing a committee on the Marlins and trying to trying

978
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: to get two saves here and there. Yeah, And then

979
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: other teams that also look like that have committees Cardinals, Diamondbacks,

980
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: and then also the Dodgers is probably the most fascinating

981
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: one that it sure looks like the Dodgers are a committee,

982
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: but also like, I don't know what's going on there.

983
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: I actually the most recent not save opportunity, but the

984
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: most recent picture to get a save for the Dodgers

985
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: is Ben Casparius, who I actually still roster on a

986
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: points league, like a weekly points league. I picked him

987
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 1: up a long time ago as a sparp, as someone

988
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: to just put in my reliever spot when he was

989
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: like starting, and I just like haven't needed that roster spot.

990
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: I haven't dropped him, and I might have the Dodgers

991
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: closer now what's going on? But I think VESSI I

992
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: got the last opportunity, but also like didn't converted. He

993
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: blew the save and lost, and so it could be

994
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Alex Vessio and Casparius Blake, Trinan rock Stewart. They also

995
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: still have Alexiitiaz. It doesn't seem like he's ready to

996
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: take that role, but ye. And then they have like

997
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: a million pictures on the IL. We we thought coming

998
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: into the league or in the season, they could not

999
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: possibly have any more pictures or haven't you know, more

1000
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: than enough? But they have like seven relievers on the

1001
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: IL and I think five of them have saves this year. Yeah, yeah,

1002
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: any any additional thoughts.

1003
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: On those, No, just the Dodgers are kind of in

1004
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: a similar They're they're kind of in a similar position,

1005
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: but like backwards. So like the Yankees have all these

1006
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: people who can close, and the Dodgers have all these

1007
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: people that are like, we're going to see if you

1008
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: can close. So yeah, I don't know, it's that those

1009
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: are messy for sure.

1010
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. And even the Dodgers interesting only one converted save

1011
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: over the last week, which is interesting.

1012
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1013
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: All right, moving on to our final segment before we

1014
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: wrap up, this first video of the cycle, Real or

1015
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Not Real, which I really enjoy. And so just to

1016
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of give you the way I like to do

1017
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: this game. I don't like to do a binary of

1018
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, we look at it mostly it's looking at

1019
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: a player who's breaking out or has had a sustained

1020
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: run of success and trying to determine is this breakout

1021
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: real or not real. I don't like to have it

1022
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: so black and white, so I like to think of

1023
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: it as more of like one of those surveys you

1024
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: get where it's like strongly agree agree, neither agree nor

1025
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: disagree disagree strongly disagree. So we have a scale for

1026
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: real not real, and so does that work for you?

1027
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: Yep? Let's do it all right.

1028
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: First up, he is just coming off flirting with a

1029
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: no hitter, Gavin Williams, who has been on a bit

1030
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: of a heater. I can give a little bit more context,

1031
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: but i'll throw ill talk with you first. Real or

1032
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: not real Gavin Williams.

1033
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: Oh he is? Uh, that is a question. I saw

1034
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: him on here and I was like, I would say he.

1035
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Was one of the first names I wrote down this week.

1036
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean yeah, I'm gonna go with and

1037
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: I do not want to. I'm not going to do

1038
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: this for all of them, I swear, but I live

1039
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 2: in neutral zone here. His area is three point one seven,

1040
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: his X area is four point one seven. His fifth

1041
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 2: is four point four to four, but his x FIP

1042
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: is four point two. I mean, you're hanging out in

1043
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: that area. And also he is walking more people this

1044
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: year than like than last year, by a pretty wide amount,

1045
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: and he's striking out exactly the same number of people.

1046
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: And so those things to me, coupled with the idea

1047
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: that he can just blow up. He can single handedly

1048
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: kill your whip. And I know that because I have

1049
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: rostered him and heprily all season and it's like, well, yeah,

1050
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: these these these are good. But so I feel like

1051
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: he's very matchup dependent. And not that I would have

1052
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: started him against the MutS, but I did start him

1053
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: against the Athletics a couple of weeks ago and he

1054
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: was fantastic. So that's yeah, he's to me, he's matchup dependent.

1055
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to agree or disagree because I think

1056
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: I think he's the picture he is, but his numbers

1057
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: are weird.

1058
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I lean, I'm right there with you. I

1059
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: lean slightly disagree, although I do. Look at I'm a

1060
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: sucker for pitch mix. I love looking at a guy

1061
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: and seeing like, oh we got a new pitch here.

1062
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: Let's see what's happening. He has added a sweeper, and now,

1063
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: for context, it looks like he threw a slider last

1064
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: year and for a sweeper this year, So it really

1065
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: is just a slight change in his slider and a

1066
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: change in designation. It's not like he completely added a sweeper.

1067
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: But I will say last year he threw at his

1068
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: slider eleven percent of the time, and he's throwing his

1069
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: sweeper over twenty percent of the time, so he is

1070
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: he has changed the pitch and he's throwing it more

1071
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: often and opponents are only batting one to seventy five

1072
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: against it. So that perks my ears up a little bit,

1073
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: and I get excited about that. However, I'm seeing a

1074
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: lot of saying things you're seeing, and he has been

1075
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: on a pretty sustained long run after a rough start

1076
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: to the season, so in April over five, but since

1077
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: then May three point two, eight, June two point two, seven,

1078
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: July three point oh three, and then through fourteen to

1079
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: two thirds innings in August zero point six to one,

1080
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: so that he has a one point three ERA in

1081
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: the second half. So I don't know, I don't know

1082
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: what to make of this. I feel like I've been

1083
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: looking at his pitching props like every five days and

1084
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: a lot of times just stay in the way. You know.

1085
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: For earlier in the season, I was kind of fading them,

1086
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: and then I was getting burned, and now I'm just like,

1087
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't I'm not messing around with

1088
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: this guy's numbers. And that's kind of how I feel

1089
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: in fantasy too. There are some things to be excited about.

1090
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: The underlying numbers are saying you should be worried about this,

1091
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: and I'd be worried about this.

1092
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: And so yeah, his yeah, his if you're going to

1093
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: bet him, like go with his walks and go over.

1094
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: Like strikeouts are just he can strike out eleven and

1095
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: he can strike out two. I mean it's it's it's

1096
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: a weird he's a weird profile. And so yeah, I

1097
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: say neutral is the way to roll with him.

1098
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say he's a former first round pick,

1099
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: so there is some prospect pedigree there. He's dealt with

1100
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: some injuries in the past, and so this he's still

1101
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: he's only twenty six years old, and so there could

1102
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: be some of this, like he's still on the younger

1103
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: end of a you know, starting pitcher's career. Only through

1104
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: seventy six innings last year, eighty two innings the year before,

1105
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: at least in the majors, and so I don't know.

1106
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: It could just be he's figuring it out and becoming

1107
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: a big league pitcher. But also for a pitcher who

1108
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: is currently striking out less than a batter printing. Although

1109
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: the actual K percentage twenty three point four percent is

1110
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's fine, like you said, for that whip

1111
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: and for that kind of unpredictable nature of the Gavin

1112
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: Williams experience, I'm probably you know, if this was a

1113
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: month ago, I would say he's a cell high. But

1114
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: we're probably beyond the trade deadline in most leagues, and

1115
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to trade him. If you can,

1116
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: I would, but I would imagine that by I'll admit,

1117
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, the heading into the second week of August,

1118
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: your trade deadline is probably passed, although I'm in at

1119
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: least one league where it hasn't. All right, next name,

1120
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: you added Cade Horton, so I'll toss it immediately to you.

1121
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: For Kate Horton, really or.

1122
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: Not really well, see, as a clubs fan, I'm really

1123
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: wondering because he has had a really nice run here

1124
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: in the last little bit. I of course did not

1125
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: pull up his gamelog, But like, I am concerned about

1126
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: a lot of other things, one of which is just

1127
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he was striking out you know, double dishit

1128
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: players in the miners, like it was twenty seven percent,

1129
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: thirty percent, whatever, and he is at eighteen percent in

1130
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: the majors, and that concerns me significantly. But he has

1131
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 2: one well below average and he but he has won

1132
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: his last three games, and against your Red Sox he

1133
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: went six and two thirds, gave up two hits and

1134
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: no runs. You know. So it's it's kind of the

1135
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 2: how long or how do we feel about a young

1136
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: guy who doesn't seem to be striking out a lot

1137
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: of people, but he has the background that he used

1138
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: to or that he did in the minors, So like,

1139
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: is that going to show up? Is he protecting his

1140
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: arm to not you know, have to have tim John quickly?

1141
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like I just don't know. That's where I'm at,

1142
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: which is why I added him, because I want you

1143
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: to tell me.

1144
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I roster him in that league I was

1145
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: just messing before, where it's ten teams but pretty deep

1146
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: rosters and I've been okay with the experience. You know,

1147
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: I like a Kate Horton in that league. It's kind

1148
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: of easier to be okay with him because I have

1149
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: probably like fourteen pitchers and so he's just like one

1150
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: of my guys. So as long as he's not actively

1151
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: destroying me, I'm happy. Yeah, he's another one three point

1152
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: one ADRA, and then the FIP and everything else three

1153
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: point nine to one, Xtra four point four to one,

1154
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Sierra four point four six, XCRA four point twenty seven.

1155
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: And then looking at his stat cast, which is difficult

1156
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: to do. Fastball, that's interesting. He throws his fastball fifty

1157
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: percent of the time and it's got a decent velocity

1158
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: ninety five point seven, but opponents are batting three thirteen

1159
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: against it, which is kind of interesting that the pitch

1160
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: you throw more often than any other has a very

1161
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: good batting average against. But all of his other pitches

1162
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: sweeper two oh three against change up, he only throws

1163
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: thirty percent of the time, one await, curveball eleven point

1164
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: three percent of time to twelve, So maybe all of

1165
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: those pitches just really play well off his fastball, and

1166
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: he's just like showing his fastball as much as he

1167
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: can to set up those other pitches. But that is interesting.

1168
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: He's put away percentages fourteen point three percent on his fastball,

1169
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: which is lower than any of us have three pitches.

1170
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: So maybe just stop throwing fastball as much and see

1171
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: if you can improve that mix. Yeah, the strikeouts are concerning,

1172
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's the one part of the experience. I've

1173
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: not been enjoining. Like he said, eighteen percent k rate,

1174
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: which per nine innings is six point sixty nine, which

1175
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: is bad, especially for someone like you said, who struck

1176
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: out a ton of a ton of batters in the minors.

1177
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was just that low. I hadn't

1178
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: been looking like closely enough at the k the k

1179
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: rate and the swinging strike rate is also like lower

1180
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: than it's ever been. It's a that's an interesting name.

1181
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for putting in there, especially when we don't know

1182
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: did you did you give an answer agreed, not disagree,

1183
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: or do you just toss it to me?

1184
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: I just kind of toss it to you. I mean

1185
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: I am inclined to agree because I am a Cubs fan,

1186
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: not strongly agree, just to agree where I feel like

1187
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: I feel like they will eventually that he can figure

1188
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: out the right pitch mix to up that k rate,

1189
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: just because again of what it looked like in the miners.

1190
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, maybe he just his fastball

1191
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: played better there, and babley hitters are obviously going to

1192
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 2: tee off on it if they can, so as he

1193
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: gets used to it, maybe he'll come up with that.

1194
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: So I'm going to agree that he's the real thing,

1195
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: but I'm also a homer, so who knows.

1196
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: I do agree as well. I would have definitely said

1197
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: agree leading into this conversation. Now I've gone a little

1198
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: bit back closer to neither agree or disagree, just because

1199
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: I just saw how bad that k rate is. But again,

1200
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: he's another pitcher of first round that degree, only a

1201
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: few years into his major league career, had a ton

1202
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: of success in the minor leagues, and so I'm inclined

1203
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: to believe that he's the real deal and we're seeing

1204
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: his development in real time. But what about Andrew Vaughn.

1205
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: I just threw Andrew Vaughn on here because I, well, yeah,

1206
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 2: sort of, and also that I mean I rostered him

1207
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: over and over and over again when he was with

1208
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: the White Sox because I like, his numbers to me

1209
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: were they They should be better, right, And so I

1210
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 2: guess my question is just, uh, you know, we've we

1211
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: talked earlier in the season when I was guessed I

1212
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: guess here and about how freeing it must be to

1213
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: escape the White Sox and what you know, having to

1214
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: play there every day and the dregs of just being

1215
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: like everything is awful all the time. So, like, is

1216
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: it real that he's gone to the Brewers and just

1217
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: kind of like lit it up. And obviously he's on

1218
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: a pace he probably can't keep up. But this is

1219
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: way more the guy that I thought I was drafting,

1220
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years ago.

1221
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me pull up his number. Wow, his numbers

1222
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: since going to the Brewers, so twenty two games betting

1223
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: three seventy seven with four home runs after go ahead.

1224
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was just agree. I'm like, yeah, the

1225
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 2: numbers are sure. Yeah.

1226
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: And then in twice as many games forty eight games

1227
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: with the White Sox bet one eighty nine with a

1228
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: twenty two point three p K. Right, he's dropped that

1229
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: down to thirteen. He had eight home runs, so twice

1230
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: as many games for its many home runs. But like

1231
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: everything else, is just so much worse. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1232
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: credit to the Brewers, But do you think it's legit

1233
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: and it's gonna continue.

1234
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: What I will say is like his his walk rate

1235
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: has kind of you know, it's not great, it's SIT's

1236
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: right about that six percent, but it's pretty stabilized. So

1237
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: I don't I think I will agree with where he's

1238
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: currently at. Not that he's going to keep us up

1239
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: forever and always, but like, I think the change is

1240
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: going to help him be, like I said, much closer

1241
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: to who everyone kind of thought he was going to be.

1242
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: But so I will agree for the rest of twenty

1243
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: twenty five and then be like, do not overdraft him

1244
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six.

1245
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: So I will say the bad at BAAL data looks

1246
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: very good, even you know, for the full season. So

1247
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: even though some of those numbers of the White Sox

1248
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: are not great, very interesting. I don't know if I

1249
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: can get there. I uh, I feel like I want

1250
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: to lean. It's it's as interesting that we keep picking

1251
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: first round picks because he's a he's a he's a

1252
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: further removed first round pick. He's a pre COVID first

1253
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: round pick, if you can imagine. But I just feel,

1254
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: like, like you said, someone we talk about every year, and

1255
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to kind of get there when I like,

1256
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: I've just not enjoyed the andrewbaun experience in the past,

1257
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: and I've just like watched him be overdrafted. I tend

1258
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: to lean somewhat disagree on Andrew Bughn, even though I

1259
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: am surprised to see how good the batball data looks,

1260
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: because it looks very good, which is the only thing

1261
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: giving me plausive that was what I was expecting to

1262
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: see when I pulled it up. I would have been like, yeah,

1263
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm out. But that I'm like, all right, all right,

1264
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: I see why and Drew on. Let's close it out

1265
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: with Trevor Rodgers, who has been a fascinating one. He

1266
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: was part of a fascinating trade when the Orioles acquired him,

1267
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: which I didn't really understand that trade at the time.

1268
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: Still not sure I do, but at least for now

1269
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe they're getting some return out of

1270
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: trade because he's been really good for pretty much the

1271
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: entire season, but especially of late. So what about Trevor

1272
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Rodgers real or not real?

1273
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean I have just one quick story

1274
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 2: was I drafted him. I drafted him in twenty twenty

1275
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: one when he had his just phenomenal year, right, like,

1276
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: and I thought that I had my Clayton Kershaw lefty

1277
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: pitcher obsession like I had by the next generation of that.

1278
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: Ye then yeah, and I remember the next year he

1279
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 2: came out and like, I was so excited to watch

1280
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: him pitch, and they talked about like I think his

1281
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: grandma died or something, and like he like he because

1282
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: he'd been away from the team for a while and

1283
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: all it looked like he just wasn't he was again broken,

1284
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: Like if we had had this, I would have put

1285
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: him under broken. Players have been like, yeah, I don't know,

1286
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: he's done. So I am inclined to agree that that

1287
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: he's back, just because his numbers have kind of bounced

1288
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: back to the range that they were in in twenty

1289
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: twenty one. So his striker outr rate is much lower,

1290
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 2: but his walk rate is also significantly lower. So yeah,

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01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: I mean as possible, he you know, he's just figured

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01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: out the pitcher that he's going to be, and once

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01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: they do that, sometimes they really can stay solid for

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01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: a little while. So I will agree, not strongly disagree.

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to disagree, not strongly, but I

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: think I'm going to somewhat disagree. See also a first

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: round pick. He is look at US four for four

1298
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: first round picks. Yeah, I was in the same boat.

1299
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: I had him in Dynasty and I was pretty excited

1300
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 1: because he looked really, really good and he was also

1301
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: striking out a ton. So back in twenty twenty one,

1302
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: his caper nine is ten point six two in his

1303
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: strike car is twenty eight point five, and you were like, Wow,

1304
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: this guy not only does he look really good, but

1305
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: he's also striking out a ton, and so like, that's

1306
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: exactly what I want for a twenty three year old

1307
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: starter in my Dynasty league. And then twenty twenty two happened,

1308
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: and then he was hurt, and then we just kind

1309
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: of haven't seen much of it since, and here we

1310
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: are where he's having this really interesting year. Last year

1311
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: was not good. Four point nine two eera, according to

1312
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: was his aspected numbers. Looks like a lot of that

1313
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: was earned, and it was kind of all over the place.

1314
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: Ninety seven strikeouts one hundred twenty four innings, so the

1315
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: k rate was way down, only seven strikeouts per nine

1316
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: and seventeen point three percent k rate. This year it's

1317
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: up to twenty two point eight k rate is still

1318
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: not created at seven point eight, but like you said,

1319
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: the whip way down, which is kind of how he's

1320
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: doing all this. But even when you look at his

1321
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: era and his expected era numbers, they're pretty wildly different.

1322
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: So one point four to four era, I think we

1323
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: can all agree he's not in one point one and

1324
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: a half. Ur guy FIP two point five to seven.

1325
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: I think even that would be a little generous x

1326
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: FIP three sixty two. Now we're getting a little bit

1327
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: closer where I'm thinking Sierra three point seven six, then

1328
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: XCRA three point twenty five, and so some of the suspect

1329
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: the numbers think this era is coming up two runs.

1330
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: A lot of that is because of the strikeouts, because

1331
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're building in some bad luck. You know.

1332
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: One of the reasons, even though we're so obsessed with

1333
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: strikeouts for fantasy, because it can counts a lot towards uh,

1334
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, fantasy stats. The other reason analysts really like

1335
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: strikeouts is because it eliminates bad luck. And so one

1336
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: of the not to get all philosophical on, you know,

1337
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: fantasy and real life baseball here. But like one of

1338
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: the one of the trends of why baseball has moved

1339
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: away from the Greg Maddox is not that you know,

1340
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: he's a bad example, because he was amazing, but like

1341
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: those like like a Derek Low type of pitcher who

1342
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 1: was just like really good but like heavy sinker pitch

1343
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: to contact every now and then they would have like

1344
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: a really dead of a real deat of a start

1345
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: and it was because of like, uh, you know, babeb

1346
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, bato balls in play and just kind of

1347
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: getting unlucky. And that's why a lot of times, you know,

1348
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: you you want those true outcome strikeouts because you can't

1349
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: get unlucky on the strikeouts and let's you know, you

1350
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: throw a wild pitch. And for Trevor Rodgers right now,

1351
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: his babbeb is two twelve, and so he's not striking

1352
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: out anyone, and he's getting very lucky on bat at balls. Now,

1353
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: some of that that has earned luck because you're you know,

1354
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: you're generating weak contact and I've already talked way too

1355
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: long about this, but and he's also not allowing any

1356
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: home runs. His home run to five ball right is

1357
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: three point three percent, which is like amazingly good, and

1358
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: so it feels like there's some aggression coming here, just

1359
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: because even if he's really really good and he's this good,

1360
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: he can continue to be this good and he's going

1361
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: to get unlucky just because of how like the law

1362
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: of large numbers works. And so I leen disagree just

1363
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: because I want to see more strikeouts. But I have

1364
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: been a fan of his for a long time, and

1365
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping he can turn it around, although he

1366
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: does pitch for the Orioles now, and so I don't

1367
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: want worm to be happy. There is maybe I don't

1368
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: want him to be good.

1369
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll just also, oh sorry, I will just

1370
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: also add that I think that, you know, I'll take

1371
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: an expected area of three point two five all day

1372
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: in fantasy. Like I'm like, that doesn't scare me yet.

1373
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: It's going to have to like come up a little bit,

1374
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: but I'm still like, if that's where we're going to say,

1375
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: that's fine with me, given at this point in the

1376
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: season and that everyone picked him up off waivers.

1377
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, the only problem is that if he finishes

1378
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: with a three point twenty five v RA, it means

1379
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: the rest of the way his ra was like five, great.

1380
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I said. It was like, he has

1381
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: to it'll correct. But he also doesn't have enough innings

1382
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: that like, it has to be significant, I think to

1383
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: get there, like if you had you know, if you

1384
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 2: had a one point whatever, and he was supposed to

1385
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: end up with that over a course of you know,

1386
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, well then it's going to get hit quickly.

1387
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm not. I'm fine with him for

1388
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the season for sure.

1389
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it up there for Kelly Kirby,

1390
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm like mayor, and make sure you check out the

1391
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: next video for the cycle, which is going to be

1392
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: focused on waivers and streamers, you know, waivers and starting pitchers.

1393
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: That's going to be kind of the format of the

1394
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: show going forward the rest of the year because we

1395
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: don't really have trades to talk about it anymore. Before

1396
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: it was three videos with you know, talk about trades

1397
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: in the middle. Now it's going to be more of

1398
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: rounding the basis and different topics like this breakdown, you know,

1399
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: more of the macro level topics and news. And then

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: the second video is gonna be waivers and talk about

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01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: picture's history. For next week, so make sure to check

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01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: out that. Once again, for Kelly Kirby, I am Mike Mayor.

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