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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. I am pleased

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Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to have a conversation with London Roberts,

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Speaker 1: the mother of one of our president's grandchildren. The kicker

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Speaker 1: is that President Biden hasn't met his granddaughter, Hunter's daughter,

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Speaker 1: Navy Roberts. London, who has had to fight to have

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Speaker 1: her daughter acknowledged by Hunter himself, has been quiet and

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Speaker 1: somewhat behind the scenes, but now she's speaking out in

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Speaker 1: a new book titled Out of the Shadows, My Life

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Speaker 1: inside the wild World of Hunter Biden, and that book

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Speaker 1: is coming out in August. London, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you for having me absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of jump into how the relationship

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Speaker 1: started because I feel like that has been sort of well,

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Speaker 1: a certain narrative went out and sounds like that's not

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Speaker 1: the truth because we were all told that this was

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Speaker 1: kind of like a one night stand from a strip club.

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Speaker 1: But you actually worked for Hunter, right.

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Speaker 2: I did. And I did not meet Hunter at a

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Speaker 2: strip club. I actually met him at Rosemont Seneca at

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Speaker 2: the House of and that was that was the first

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Speaker 2: time I met Hunter and got the full Hunter package.

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Speaker 1: So how was it a relationship that started over time

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Speaker 1: working together or how did it begin?

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Speaker 2: It? Did? I mean, eventually, you know, I started working

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Speaker 2: for him, but it was a relationship that started off

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Speaker 2: as like we would even call each other best friends,

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Speaker 2: you know, at some point in the beginning. And he

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Speaker 2: would always tell people, you know, when they asked like

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Speaker 2: how long have y'all known each other? Like if we

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Speaker 2: were someone, like how long have y'all known each other?

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Speaker 2: Like y'all seem like y'all known each other for every

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, like years. I'm like, no, it's almost

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Speaker 2: a year, hunt like, you know at that point.

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Speaker 1: But but that's really different than what we heard Grue

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Speaker 1: do what that's really different than what we heard? And

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Speaker 1: I just wondered, do you ever feel like the media

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Speaker 1: make it seem like you were someone that should just

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Speaker 1: go away?

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Speaker 2: It's possible, you know, I don't know why. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why everything you know, happened the way that it

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Speaker 2: did and why everything was said that's been said. But

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Speaker 2: you know, that's that's why I'm telling my story because

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Speaker 2: it's been a long journey and a long process, you know,

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Speaker 2: for me to get through. And I'm at a point where,

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Speaker 2: you know, I can talk about it and I can

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Speaker 2: share my story and my book, and you know, we

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Speaker 2: talked about the books being released in August, a week

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Speaker 2: before my daughter's birthday, and I've told everyone I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine a better gift for my daughter this year than

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Speaker 2: her mother's story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and her father's story. I mean, it's both together,

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Speaker 1: and and I think that that is important for people

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Speaker 1: to understand that she doesn't have just a mom. And

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Speaker 1: you've fought really hard to make sure that her dad

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Speaker 1: is in her life, and I appreciate that because being

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Speaker 1: a single mom is not easy. I think the most

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Speaker 1: interesting part about it is I looked at the cover

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Speaker 1: of the book and the striking resemblance between Navy and

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Speaker 2: The blue eyes, very striking and mannerisms. It's a furrowed

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Speaker 2: eyebrows when she's talking to you. Everything. She's so much

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Speaker 2: of her father, it's crazy. And I always had a

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Speaker 2: great relationship with my father, like a great upbringing, and

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Speaker 2: you know, you want your child to have those same things, right,

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Speaker 2: and I know that there's you know, that potential one hunter.

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Speaker 1: And though you fought very hard, for that. You were

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Speaker 1: at with him at a time where obviously he was struggling.

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Speaker 1: And I believe that any of us who have seen

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Speaker 1: things were very hard. You were at with him at

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Speaker 1: a time where you saw him probably at his worst.

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Speaker 1: You even describe a time when you thought that he

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Speaker 1: was potentially overdosing. You also got to know his sister

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Speaker 1: in law. You talk about that a little bit, that

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Speaker 1: he wanted you to meet Hallie and he introduced you.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that they were in a relationship at

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Speaker 2: Yes and no, because it didn't really come across that way,

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Speaker 2: I'd known Hunter before it ever came out in the tabloids.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd been with him a few times, and

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Speaker 2: But you know, I was around him a few times,

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Speaker 2: you know, very toxic for Hunter during that time, because

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a time where he needed love

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Speaker 1: Feel like your relationship was going somewhere. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: way you talk about him, I guess I'm struck because

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Speaker 1: what we saw in the media was kind of this battle.

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Speaker 1: But I see you talk about him in very loving way,

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Speaker 1: can tell us a little bit. You talk about his charm,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of confusing for all of

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Speaker 2: So what is it like to be charmed by people?

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Speaker 2: You know, people criticize me for that for you know,

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Speaker 2: humanizing him in the book, and it's just it's the

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Speaker 2: person that I knew. It's you know what I watch,

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Speaker 2: what I experienced, my experience with Hunter, and yeah, to

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Speaker 2: and makes up you know, this this version of him,

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Speaker 2: But to know him is different, and I you know,

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Speaker 2: I could be critics. I am being criticized for that

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Speaker 2: all honesty, I'm I'm just letting my experience be known.

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Speaker 2: And in my journey with him and he, you know,

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Speaker 2: to always wear this like silver metal bracelet, where I've

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Speaker 2: always thought it looked like the what would Jesus do

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Speaker 2: telling her the backstory on that, and I'm I even

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Speaker 2: ask him in that moment, you know, how do you

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Speaker 2: do it? Like you to hear your story and to

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Speaker 2: read what you've obviously had googled him at the time,

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Speaker 2: I expect you to be some entitled jerk, and you're

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Speaker 2: you're not. He's like, it's easy. You just treat people

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I mean that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: But then he didn't. I mean, ultimately, he didn't treat

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you at the time when you were

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Speaker 1: you think that? I mean, you were young, you were

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, because also, you know, part of

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Speaker 2: Hunter was like yes, bigger than being with him an

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Speaker 2: adventuress and whatnot. But Haunter was he was Hunt. He

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Speaker 2: wasn't Haunter Biden, the former vice president's son and cross

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Speaker 2: like that do what?

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Speaker 1: He was just your friend?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like he and he never he never really came

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Speaker 2: across as being this entitled. You know, my dad's this person,

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Speaker 2: and you know he didn't do that in our relationship.

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Speaker 1: You saw him though, at times that were probably what

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Speaker 1: you would consider someone's worst, right. You talk about the

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Speaker 1: will tomorrow bring? And that moment that night, I just wonder,

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Speaker 2: I talk about that in the book. It means very tough.

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: You know, he's obviously completely out of it and I'm

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Speaker 2: will hate me. And so it was. It was a

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Speaker 2: the end of it. Him being in that state, he

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Speaker 2: had to have been somewhat scared, very can fuse you know,

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Speaker 2: he had been on this bench or whatever. But he

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Speaker 2: I took care of him that night, and I said,

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Speaker 2: how damn honored am I? He could have went anywhere

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Speaker 2: I took care of me.

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Speaker 1: That's a special bond, but it can be a manipulative

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Speaker 1: you've been you've gotten criticism. It's easy to stand on

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Speaker 1: would you? Why would you? And I think I can

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Speaker 2: I want to show her the best pictures I can

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Speaker 2: find of and you know, she wants to hear his

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Speaker 2: voice for the first time. And the first thing that

435
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: resonates with me is, you know, I let her hear

436
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Speaker 2: or watch a video of his eulogy that he gave

437
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Speaker 2: at Bo's funeral, because I felt that was more heartfelt

438
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Speaker 2: and she could see her father as you know, a

439
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Speaker 2: human and and someone you know, with so much love

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Speaker 2: in his heart. And so that's what I let her,

441
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Speaker 2: you know, listen to to hear his voice. And I'll

442
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Speaker 2: never forget how to talk about it in the book.

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Speaker 2: You know, she she looks at the screen and as

444
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Speaker 2: he says in the eulogy, you know, I love you,

445
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you. You know she she kisses

446
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: the screen and says, I love you, and you know

447
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: she she's never she had never met him, she had

448
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Speaker 2: never talked to him at that time, and so, you know,

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Speaker 2: I I I think I think that women have that

450
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Speaker 2: right to choose what they want to do, and you know,

451
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Speaker 2: whether they're going to fight forward to whether they want

452
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Speaker 2: to abort it or whatever they want to do, that's

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Speaker 2: on each woman to choose for themselves. And I think

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Speaker 2: if I probably if I looked more into it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would. I don't know if I would agree with

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Speaker 2: you know, his his standpoint as far as how can

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Speaker 2: he say that when when we've been through what we've

458
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Speaker 2: gone through? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have also fought over Maybe's last name. And

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Speaker 1: I think that most of us had heard Navy Biden

461
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Speaker 1: for a long time and we just kind of assumed that,

462
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Speaker 1: and it was surprising to us that they were they

463
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Speaker 1: suddenly started fighting over whether or not she could use

464
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Speaker 1: her rightful surname. I mean, we had never I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody in the country had considered that a father

466
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Speaker 1: could deny his child his surname and say no, you

467
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Speaker 1: legally can't use it, and so that was also a

468
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Speaker 1: stunning move. Now I know you guys have come to

469
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Speaker 1: a compromise on that, and by and Navy will be

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Speaker 1: taking the name Roberts. Do you think that, I mean

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Speaker 1: you talked about when she gets old enough. Do you

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Speaker 1: think when she gets old enough to understand this, she's

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Speaker 1: gonna say, how could he love me? And yet say

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Speaker 1: I can't hold his name. It's a very personal thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, from the beginning, like you said, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: most children do take their father's surname. And when I

477
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Speaker 2: filled out her birth certificate, I could have put his

478
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Speaker 2: last name on there, but I didn't. And I did

479
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Speaker 2: that solely for you know, I know he's going to

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Speaker 2: be running for president. I thought it was, you know,

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Speaker 2: the safest thing for her at the time, and I

482
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Speaker 2: was torn. And it wasn't until the day I filled

483
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Speaker 2: out the certificate, right there in front of me, that

484
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Speaker 2: I decided that because that's something that I contemplated. I

485
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Speaker 2: even thought about putting her middle name as Navy Joan

486
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Speaker 2: Hunter Roberts, you know, like something, you know, instilling something

487
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Speaker 2: from her father to her. And I reached out after

488
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Speaker 2: the fraternity, you know, I expected to hear something because

489
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Speaker 2: there's a child. You know that pattorney's been established that

490
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Speaker 2: it's yours, and from what I know about Hunter, I

491
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Speaker 2: expected him to, you know, reach out and want that relationship.

492
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Speaker 2: And when he didn't, I had talked to my attorney

493
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Speaker 2: and said, you know, well, maybe by asking them they

494
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Speaker 2: want to change her last name, would that be like

495
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Speaker 2: a door opener? And it was not. They thought it

496
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Speaker 2: might be political warfare and whatnot. Which is it's fun

497
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Speaker 2: Robert's name, my dad's company and what he does. The

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Speaker 2: Roberts name holds a lot of weight around here, and

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, she's fine with the last

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Speaker 2: name Roberts, and if she wants to change it, that

501
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Speaker 2: will solely depend on his relationship with her moving forward.

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Speaker 1: He's been told he has to zoom with her, and

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Speaker 1: you've talked about the fact that they have connected over zoom.

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Speaker 1: When did those meetings.

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Speaker 2: Start those and he started last year, last September, I

506
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Speaker 2: believe so.

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Speaker 1: Was that the first time that he had ever met her?

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Speaker 2: Yes, through zoom?

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Speaker 1: So she was five, she had just turned five then

510
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Speaker 1: and he met her through zoom. You've talked about the

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Speaker 1: fact that he is required to zoom with her once

512
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Speaker 1: a month, and he's been zooming with her more often,

513
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Speaker 1: and that she had some surgery or a medical issue

514
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Speaker 1: and he contacted her more regularly after that. He's never

515
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Speaker 1: seen her in person. Though, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: I like to give grace and I want to think,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think we're all aware. Hunter has a

518
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Speaker 2: lot on his plate right now as a mother, and

519
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: there's there's not enough times that she is asked over

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Speaker 2: Zoom you know, maybe I'll come see you sometime or okay,

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00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: well maybe you know, she asked him he wanted to

522
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Speaker 2: talk to her, like for his birthday and she's like, well,

523
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Speaker 2: what do you have planned for your birthday? And he's like, oh,

524
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Speaker 2: you know, nothing much, you know, and downplad it. She's like,

525
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Speaker 2: well maybe I'll come see you, you know. And as

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Speaker 2: as a mother, it's heartbreaking, you know, to see that,

527
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Speaker 2: because this this little girl yearns so much for her

528
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Speaker 2: father's love. And you know, they've got to a point

529
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Speaker 2: on Zoom where she tells them all the time how

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Speaker 2: much she loves him, and you know, now he's telling

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Speaker 2: her that, you know, he loves her too, and they'll

532
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Speaker 2: go back and forth with it, and it's it's hard

533
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Speaker 2: for a little girl who doesn't understand everything that's, you know,

534
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Speaker 2: going on around her.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I mean, I think it's hard

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Speaker 1: for all of us because and I think that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that watching someone who has the means

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Speaker 1: and has the access to go anywhere, has gone everywhere

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Speaker 1: in the world. And I know that he's claimed that

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Speaker 1: he's had hardship, but his father is the president of

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Speaker 1: the United States right now, and I think from that standpoint,

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Speaker 1: it's frustrating for the country to go. Kissing through the

544
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Speaker 1: screen is not enough. I want a hug, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm if that's my baby girl, I want him

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Speaker 1: to hold her and under and see her and see

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Speaker 1: her fully full dimensional face, you know, like this is

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Speaker 1: it is a different thing seeing someone through a screen

549
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Speaker 1: than holding their hand and telling them you love them.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's just I can't imagine. And I

551
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Speaker 1: feel like there needs to be an awareness for other moms,

552
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: like you've You've been so strong in this and you've

553
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: pushed as hard as you possibly can, I think, but man,

554
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I feel like there needs to be a connection there.

555
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: He needs to. I know you can't make person do it,

556
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: but it's just so hard to hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hard and it's very you know, hard

558
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Speaker 2: to deal with. And I've continued from the beginning having

559
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: that hope and keeping that hope because you know, I've

560
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: seen a lot of good and hunter that apparently, you know,

561
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: most people don't see, but I've seen that. And I've

562
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: always wanted him to just do the right thing, and

563
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Speaker 2: I think that he's capable of doing that. I think

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Speaker 2: the hesitation, you know, it might lie towards me, and

565
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Speaker 2: you know, they don't think I can be trusted or.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't but it's not that doesn't matter. I mean,

567
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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but you know.

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Speaker 2: She's the most important one, right So it's about our daughter.

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Speaker 1: Have they invited her to the White House? Has she

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Speaker 1: ever been to the White House?

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Speaker 2: No? There is a segment I talk about in the

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Speaker 2: book where I take Navy to d C. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I lived in DC and like the people that know me,

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Speaker 2: and it's my favorite place in the world. I've always

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Speaker 2: loved d C. I've always wanted to live there and

576
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Speaker 2: it was a dream when I did. And I have

577
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Speaker 2: a lot of friends there that have turned into family

578
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Speaker 2: and so, you know, I took her to d C.

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Speaker 2: And my friends used to always laugh because the National

580
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Speaker 2: Mall area where the monuments was like my favorite part.

581
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Speaker 2: Like I would go for walks there when I lived there.

582
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: And they're like, you live here, and you still act

583
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Speaker 2: like a tourist, Like you do realize that. They're like,

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00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: we know, any weekend we spend with you, like we're

585
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: like doing DC tourist stuff, like you live here. And

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Speaker 2: I took my daughter. We started going. I started dating,

587
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, during the fraternity suit or right before it,

588
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: and that ended pretty badly, and I push all of

589
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: that into the book and his insecurities when it came

590
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: to who you know, Navy's father was, and it didn't

591
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: work out, and we went to get away, and so

592
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: what better place to get away than my favorite place

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Speaker 2: in the world. And I take Navy to DC and

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Speaker 2: I take her to the National Mall, and of course,

595
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Speaker 2: you know, the White House was as part of the

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00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: National Mall, and she she stopped there, and you know,

597
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: every every mom takes a picture of their kid in

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Speaker 2: front of those monuments and stuff like that. But that

599
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: one is when I said, you know, I captured on

600
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Speaker 2: my phone, but I've captured it in my mind, in

601
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Speaker 2: my heart forever, because there's this little girl on the

602
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Speaker 2: outside of these gates looking in at this big house

603
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Speaker 2: and I'm just you know her.

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Speaker 1: And she should be playing on the inside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Last year, President Biden said he told the press that

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Speaker 1: all of his grandchildren enjoy Secret Service protection. Does maybe

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Speaker 1: have Secret Service protection?

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Speaker 2: No, she does not.

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Speaker 1: It's been asked multiple times if that was true of

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Speaker 1: Navy and doesn't respond. If he offered a tour, would

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Speaker 1: you take her to the White House?

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Speaker 2: I would be open to you know, like I said,

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Speaker 2: if they will step into her life, be good influences

615
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Speaker 2: and lover. She's very easy to love. Absolutely, I would

616
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Speaker 2: allow that door open for her sake.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. If President Trump wins

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Speaker 1: and he offers Navy a tour of the White House,

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Speaker 1: would you take her there? Then?

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Speaker 2: Well, how do you take Hunter Biden's child on a

621
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Speaker 2: tour with Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it is a very important house. I know,

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Speaker 1: I understand. I just you know, the former presidents are

624
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Speaker 1: kind of like a fraternity, and I know Trump is

625
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Speaker 1: not necessarily a part of that. Have any of the

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Speaker 1: other former presidents reached out to you and offered kind

627
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Speaker 1: of that discussion. I mean, this is like a very

628
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Speaker 1: special special club to be a part of, to have

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Speaker 1: your grandfather be the president of the Uni States, and

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Speaker 1: and quite honestly, I think most of us believe that

631
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: those years are few and far between life for Joe

632
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Speaker 1: Biden because he's elderly and he's shown signs that he's

633
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Speaker 1: elderly and there may not be that many years left.

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: But some of the presidents are younger. Have any of

635
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Speaker 1: them reached out to you and said, hey, I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to just explain to her what it's like.

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Speaker 2: No, I can't, you know, I can't. I can't say

638
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 2: that much. You know, my dad has gone on My

639
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: dad's real big in the hunting industry, and he's actually

640
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: gone on a hunt with Donald Trump Junior and they

641
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: know each other, and you know, one of the first

642
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: things they said, you know, Donald Junior wanted a gun

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Speaker 2: done by my dad. He wanted the custom work done

644
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: and you know, my dad did it for him and stuff.

645
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: And when they met, my dad said, my dad made

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Speaker 2: it clear heus did one things off limits, and that

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Speaker 2: that's my daughter and my granddaughter and that's one thing

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Speaker 2: we won't discuss. And he said, hey, when it comes

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Speaker 2: to family, I completely understand, and I won't and I'll

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00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: be very you know, very respectful. And you know, my

651
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: dad made that clear from the jump, even though I

652
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: wasn't too happy with it, because I'm worried about you know,

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Speaker 2: how that might make Hunter feel. And you're very protective

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Speaker 2: of him, you know, everyone says that.

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Speaker 1: I just think, I mean, he is one of the

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Speaker 1: most well protected men in the world and has access

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Speaker 1: to everything, and you still, I can see your heart

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Speaker 1: for him is still to protect him, which I do

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Speaker 1: think that considering the fact that you haven't had the

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Speaker 1: been able to enjoy what it is to have a

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Speaker 1: daughter who is the granddaughter of the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States, there would be some frustration and you aren't there,

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Speaker 1: and maybe you've worked through that frustration over these years.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, I mean there are times, you know, I

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00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: think the first few chapters are kind of the hardest

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00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: to write because that kind of gives stories about our relationship,

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Speaker 2: different times with him and stuff. You know, he was

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Speaker 2: battling addiction, and I don't ever want to make it

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Speaker 2: seem like I'm telling his story because it's not my

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Speaker 2: story to tell. But I was very raw in those chapters,

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't see that as you know, protecting him,

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Speaker 2: but it was just One of my editors described it

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00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: as like sweetly raw the way I would tell the stories,

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Speaker 2: like you know, but there it's crazy and like out

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Speaker 2: of this world stories. And then it's also you know,

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00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: there's that that sweetness that comes with it too, and

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Speaker 2: it's just you know, caring about someone who is going

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Speaker 2: through addiction and battling it to the worst degree.

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Speaker 1: Just before I let you go, I'll ask you did

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Speaker 1: he ever talk of when you were together or did

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Speaker 1: he ever talk about his family or any of the

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Speaker 1: struggles that they were going through.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and no, I mean nothing nothing crazy there was.

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Speaker 2: There was always, of course the struggle in his family

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Speaker 2: with his addiction. You know, that was that was something

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00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: that they were aware of, and they he would deflect

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00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: and you know, run away from it, and they wanted to,

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00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: you know, get him help. There's a story and in

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Speaker 2: the book I talk about you know, I'm in Bow's

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: house in Delaware with with Hunter and there's a knock

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00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: at the door and you know, Hunter goes out outside

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Speaker 2: and I stay in the back and I kind of

693
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: creep around the corner to see who it is, and

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00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: and it's his dad. And I talk about the look

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00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: on his dad's face. And now being a mother and

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Speaker 2: you know, loving my child the way that I do,

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: I can't imagine, you know, how he must have felt

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00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: watching his son go through that addiction, and how helpless

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Speaker 2: and you know that he was because the hunter would

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Speaker 2: tell you, you know, I'll get help when I want to,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not ready yet.

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Speaker 1: And I talk about it kind of the life of

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Speaker 1: an addict.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I talk about, you know, seeing Joe's face

705
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: to that window and the hurt that was on his

706
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: faces is something that I'll never forget. And as a mother,

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00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: I can't say I fully understand it because I'm not

708
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: in that situation. But as a mother and my love

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00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: for my child, you know, I can only imagine.

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Speaker 1: Did you meet him then, before he found out you

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Speaker 1: were pregnant. Did you ever meet Joe Biden? No, Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everything you've shared with us today. I think

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Speaker 1: you are one of the strongest women I've ever met,

714
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: because you've been through a lot, and I know I

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Speaker 1: thinked about the desire at times to commit suicide and

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Speaker 1: they being thrust into the media and all of this,

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Speaker 1: and I cannot imagine. I know what it's like to

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Speaker 1: raise girls, and I just can't imagine doing it in

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Speaker 1: the spot likely like this and having the pressure. And

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Speaker 1: you've done just an amazing job, and so I so

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on today. Yes, and tell us where again.

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Speaker 1: Give us the information about your book really quick before

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Speaker 1: I let you go.

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Speaker 2: So the book is called Out of the Shadows, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like you said, I've tried to stay in this little

726
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: shill for as long as I can, but now I'm

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00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: able to talk about the journey and everything that I've

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Speaker 2: gone through. So this is coming Out of the Shadows.

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Speaker 2: And I think we could pre order it on Amazon,

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Speaker 2: and I've been told that I can pre order it

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Speaker 2: on Target, but I have not seen that link yet,

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Speaker 2: but I know there's links to pre order on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: It comes out August twentieth, the week before my daughter's birthday.

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Speaker 1: Well happy birthday to Navy. It's a very exciting time

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Speaker 1: to turn She's twenty six, right, Yes, that is some

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Speaker 1: of the best years and I am sorry that there

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Speaker 1: are people that are missing out on that, but hopefully

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Speaker 1: some of this will convince that to change, because she

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Speaker 1: sounds like an amazing little girl.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you she is.

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Speaker 1: Thank you London Roberts, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: on today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you all for joining us on the Tutor

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