WEBVTT - Good Game Spotlight: The Rennae Stubbs Tennis Podcast 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.559 Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where love is Love, 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.840 but also where love is sometime zero. It's Thursday, May first, 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.760 and on today's show, we're continuing our iHeart Women's Sports Week, 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.640 spotlighting great podcasts from our slate of shows. Today's special 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.000 the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. Now, we've had Renee on 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.120 the show before, and producer Alex and I also got 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.919 to sit next to her for Last Balls Billy Jean 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.640 King Cup Finals. Did we ask her all of our 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:25.800 burning tennis questions? 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:26.400 Yes? 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.480 Do we also now know exactly why tennis players compare 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.640 fuzz levels before choosing a ball to serve with. 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.159 Also yes. To get your prep for. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.440 Today's episode, we asked Renee to send over her best 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:37.840 elevator pitch for the show. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:38.760 Take a listen. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.120 Hi, everyone, my name's Renee Stubbs and I'm the host 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.080 of the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. If you love tennis, 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.360 you'll love this podcast. I'm a former six time major 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.800 champion and i played on tour for twenty two years, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.640 so I've got some stories, i know some people, and 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.480 we have a bit of a laugh. So if you 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.840 love the sport of tennis, you'll love this podcast. I'm 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.840 joined by my friends On Thompson and Andrea Pekovic, and 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.000 we just love the sport and we hope you love 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.080 it as much as we do. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.199 Today you'll hear the episode from April twenty second, featuring 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.080 Renee and producer Caitlin Thompson. Renee also gave us a 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:14.560 little preview of that episode. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.840 We get into all things clay season in Europe, Stuttgart, Munich, 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.399 and so much more. We also talk about the worry Index, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.200 which players are we worried about. Yeah, we're worried about 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.440 some greats including Novak, Djokovic, Iger Schiantek and so many others. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.880 Leaning up of course to the French Open. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.960 All right, Slaicer's That episode of the Renee Stubs Tennis 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.040 podcast is coming up right after this. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.400 Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. Caitlin 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.000 and I are back together. We had a little of 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:06.840 sabbatical last week. Hope you didn't mind. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:08.880 You were on school holiday. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:09.320 Where were you? 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:10.680 It was a tennis camp with my family. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.400 Oh, that's allowed. I was just gillant. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.919 Actually that's you deserve that. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.200 Thank you. I do deserve that. From time to time. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.080 But we are back. We are back in regards to 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.079 the last couple of weeks. Let's talk about the last 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.119 couple of weeks. But more importantly, there was a lot 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.480 of very interesting results this past week, including before we 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.799 get to anything, the fact that Germany took an entire 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.680 day off at a tournament for Easter. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.440 Didn't realize Germany was that Catholic. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.720 Well, apparently are for good Friday, because I was like, 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.799 this is your prime time, this is Sammi Final's day. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.320 They just skip a d do they always do that? 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.960 District always sky don't formber Remember Easter moves around, right, great, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.600 you don't know. Remember the whole Biden situation where they 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.000 had trans Visibility Day and I was on the same 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.239 day as Easter Sunday and people in the right lost 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.919 their money. I lost their mind and money. Oh I'm 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.400 losing my money right now looking at the stock market. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.840 But yeah, they all lost in mind because they're like, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.400 how can Biden do that? It's like, well, Eastern comes 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.360 around and changes all the time, and it just so 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.000 happens it was on trans visibility Day. So he honored both, 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.320 which is what the president is supposed to do. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:18.639 Normal presidents do that. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.799 I was shocked because it was a Monday final, which 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.440 meant that we did not know the results of Shue 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:25.959 Cart until this morning on Monday. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.959 I mean, come on, like, I mean listen, I'm all 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.800 for it, like celebrating Easter. And I had an amazing 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.800 event last night that I went to. It was called 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.800 later Sada. I had my Jewish friends here in New 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.960 York invited me for this really fun event and it 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.400 was great. And like everyone like, I'm all for people 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:46.920 celebrating the way they want to celebrate. 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:47.720 You're a pretty goal. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.600 But to take a whole day off at tennis tournament 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:50.520 for well, one thing. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.480 I was thinking to myself when I was watching Corlos 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.840 Alcaraz and Hulgaruna play in Barcelona in their. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.320 Final, which we will talk about on Sunday. On say 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.680 is you know I've lived in Spain. I love Spain. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.240 They are very very progressive there, but they're also a 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.360 majority Catholic country. Oh, this is interesting that they are 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.240 playing on Easter. H they played on Good Friday and Germany, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:15.840 which is not I just think of Germany as like 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:16.960 very secular. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:23.040 Apparently from our very German Cohort Pekovich apparently that area 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.839 Stuttgart is quite catholic and conservative. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.320 Okay, that makes more sense, because why I don't think 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.280 they were shutting down stuff in Berlin on Friday. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.000 No, But I just don't even remember that happened. I 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.120 don't think I've ever heard that in a tennis event. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.679 And I played a long time, and I played over Easter. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.520 I was shocked to see no tennis on my TV 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.400 from Stutgart on Friday, but I was very happy to and. 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:45.920 I was like, did it rain? And I was like, wait, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:47.040 it's indoors. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:47.920 Right, it's indoors. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:49.880 I was happy to have a little extra tennis on 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.560 Monday morning from Stutgart a final. Usually you just see 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.320 the beginning rounds of a tournament. Shall we start with 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.560 Stutgart as a result, and sugar back, let's. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.200 Get to it, let's get let's get to I want 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.080 to get to some really sort of funny things that 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.640 happened also in the tennis world this past week or so. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:10.080 But Elena Olona Osta Penco, like when she's on forget 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.359 it seriously, Like she's that type of player that you 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.960 just pray and hope that she has one of those days. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.040 That's just things don't really go her way, and then 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:20.719 it can be pretty horrendous the tennis that she plays. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.640 But when she's on and she's confident and especially indoors, okay. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.040 And also this court suits her because it's a bit 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.159 of a slippery clay court. It's not great for footing. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.279 Like you know, even even the great movers and arguably 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.000 Eager Chiante is by far the best mover on clay, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.960 and Coco Gough, you see them, they're kind of slipping 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.599 a little bit. They don't really have that same ability 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.080 to slide and be controlled into the shot, and they're 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.440 a little bit It's kind of like how Charleston as 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:49.520 Charlston is also very so. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.600 Brief aus of the horror. True being that different. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.080 In particular is pretty well. I've played on them both. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.760 I did not play on Stuttgart's hard court. It was 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.400 I played it when I was a hard court tournament, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.359 so clearly the footing was much better. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.599 But now that you say that, Sugarat has been the 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.520 scene to some horrific, horrific injuries actually on the women's tour, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.280 I'm thinking actually of our friend a drapack of it, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.400 so I think had to pull out of a tournament. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.240 Had to put out of the tournament a couple of 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.440 years ago with a high ankle spreen. I feel like 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.000 it was one of the worst injuries I've ever seen. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.000 So maybe there is something to the fact that it's 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.960 slippery in there and indoor clay. I don't know, indoor 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:24.920 clear it seems. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.480 Strange to me. I think what it is is is 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.600 when you do an indoor clay court like that, that 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.120 they're bringing the clay in and they're laying it down 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.840 over a certain amount of time and hoping it settles 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.600 and then they play. Whereas when you're playing outside on 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.159 a clay court that is like a Barcelona or a 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.080 Munich or any of these other tournaments. Those clay courts 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.280 are there all year long. They're being played on all 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.320 the time, they're getting warded all the time, they're getting 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.000 packed down all the time, they're getting you know, rolled, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.400 all the time. So they are perfect clay court. So 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.159 when the ball when you're sliding, it's the same feel, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.120 whereas indoors they're sort of laying that down and it's 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.320 kind of just like it's not really the same anyway. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.760 Having said that, Ostapenko's game lends itself really well to 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.120 that because she serves big and she hits it into 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:12.400 the corners hard, and it's not as easy. Like if 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.280 Eager was ever going to play on clay court, which 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:16.920 most of us would say, if she was going to 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.160 beat Ostapenko, it would be on a clay court, right absolutely. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.080 But if there was a clay court for her to 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.240 not play her on, it would be this one. It 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.840 would be this SMAs and so I think that's why 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.760 it wasn't that big of a shock that that Eager 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.720 did lose to her on clay, even though now it's 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.200 zero to six, it's starting to be a little mental, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.000 but it's also that surface that clay court did not 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.520 suit Eager. It'll be interesting because they're going to play 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:45.120 each other if they win their subsequent rounds in Madrid 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.040 this week, again not ideal for Eager. It's a little 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.600 altitude and Madrid, so that ball does like fly on you. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.720 The serve is important and the biggest issue for me, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.400 if we go back before Ostapenko beating Saberlenca, et cetera, 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.240 the biggest issue for me when Eager plays her is 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.720 the serve is so vulnerable. And I have talked about 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.520 this adnauseum, and I will talk about it when it 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.840 comes to players like Eger, when it comes to players 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.760 like Coco, the serve is so bloody important, and Eger 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.920 hits the same serve almost every time. On the second serve, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.000 it's that kickserve that goes right into Ostapenko's best shot 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.640 her backhand. She's deadly on the returns. Ega has got 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.440 to figure out a better way to get more first 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.680 serves in the court. Her service motion is so discombobulated, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.120 there's no fluidity to it, and you know when she 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.320 hits it well, she hits it really well. And you've 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.520 got to serve well against Ostapenco because if you don't, 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.600 she's crushing returns on you. And she can serve you 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.880 off the court as well, because indoors, particularly Penko, serves well. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.599 So here's the question that we got into it a 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.760 little bit over the weekend because there's so many people 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:55.120 who've been watching the Ostapenko Schiantec matchup for years now 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.920 and sort of marveling that there is such a Lapseidded 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.040 had to head one thing. That's you know, you started 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.280 the show by saying, you know, if Ostapenko is on 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.960 watch out sure, but the truth is Elene Ostapenko is 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:10.280 not on. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:12.520 All the time. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.120 Otherwise she would be winning more than one Grand Slam 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.320 and winning more than you know, one tournament. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.080 A year basically, which is kind of where she's. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.720 Netting out, which is not bad. I make that career 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.160 in artbeat but well, you. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.160 Know, sure, but. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.079 There does seem something particular about this matchup if some 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.400 of us find it sort of comical or nuts or unexpected. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:36.200 But because you have coached against and with players who 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.880 have maybe matchups that are certainly unfavorable and at a 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.760 certain point become a little bit mental, which I have 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.440 to imagine, you know. One of the face, Yeah, one 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:45.720 of the folks that I that I talk to a 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.120 lot on the internet is Anastasia from the Grounds Past podcast, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.200 and she was like, you know, maybe I'm just crazy, 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.679 but it looked like Ego went out there and was 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.320 sort of expecting to lose, and the fact that she 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:56.959 got three sets was actually sort of positive. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:57.559 You know. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.640 But there's so much fraughtness about this particul their matchup 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.480 that yes, of course you and ask Deepenko want on 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.360 to beat her in a so abalanca, in a pretty 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.680 you know, close but decided affair today, But like, what 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.959 is it about that matchup other than you know the server, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.640 you know, talk to me about how important sort of 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.600 matchups are and why this is maybe something that's festered 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:16.680 between the two of them. 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:18.800 Yeah, listen, it's it's always going to be a matchup. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.520 It's always going to be how someone plays, you know, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.000 whether it be myself in my playing days, you would 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:26.800 walk on a certain court against a certain play and 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.120 just be like, I have their number, I know exactly 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.280 what they do under pressure. I know exactly what I 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.200 can do under pressure against them to hurt them. And 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.000 so there's that sense of comfort level when you walk 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.040 on the court knowing that your best or your you 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:46.040 know a game will always beat their a game. And 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.840 that's a good feeling, right. So Ostapenko knows that she 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.160 is going to take advantage of the second serves. That's 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.600 for one. She knows that if Eager is not controlling 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.920 the point, she's not a great defender, particular on the 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:03.920 forehand side. And so you know, oster Penko uses her 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:08.120 flat ball striking and aggressive play. And also Osta Penko 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.280 and I have coached against her a bunch of times. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.520 She's a play that you go, hmm, what's her strengths 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.520 and weaknesses and where does she go under pressure? And 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.920 a lot of coaches will tell you that they don't 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.880 really know, you know, because she she has a tendsity 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.040 like the forehand cross call, there's no question about that. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:25.760 But then she can pop one down the line and 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.280 you're like, Jesus, where does that come from? And it 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.120 could be on the biggest point of the match. So 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.760 the unpredictability of how she plays is actually such a 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.280 positive thing for her. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.800 Yeah, And it's honestly, it's what I like about her game. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.640 And I realize she has a lot of haters and 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:39.080 a lot. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.960 Of sometimes you don't know. I don't even know if 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.599 she thinks she knows where she's going with it. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.160 Like, I like watching her because she's a chaos She's 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.400 a chaos agent. That's what I like. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.520 I recognize that it's not that you know, enjoyable probably 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.880 to play against. But also I think you're right, she 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.880 doesn't necessarily know. Yeah, she doesn't seem that connected to 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.000 reality in always. 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.640 And I want to see eager start pretty rejuicing a 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.200 little bit of variety when she plays against her. I 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:08.360 didn't see one drop shot. I didn't see one attempted 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:13.559 real slice. There's no attempt now it is let me backtrack. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.280 It is not easy to do that against Ostapenko. She's 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.360 hitting the ball so hard and flat immediately. But there 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.360 were times where I felt she could have done a 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.000 drop shot, hit a bit of a different shot, and 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.760 she chose not to. There was a huge point in 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.480 the third set to go. I think it may have 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.520 been to even it up in the third set when 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.000 she went down that break and she had a second 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.160 serve backhand, I think it was maybe to go fifteen forty, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.840 et cetera. And she chose to go for her backhand 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.160 down the line, which is a very good shot for her. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.480 But every now and again, i'd like to see her 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.600 do it on shabburt, just like hit a little drop 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.880 shot off that you know osta Penko's running backwards. She's 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.880 not a great mover on play. She's definitely not a 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.760 great mover. So you've got to get her moving, and 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.480 sometimes you've got to get her moving in uncomfortable areas 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.200 on the court like slice the ball, short jop shot 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.880 once or twice in your life in a match, because 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.920 when you become predictable that's predictable for them to be 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.200 able to read what you're doing. Offer them return all 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.959 the things, and Eger made some really bad, bad choices 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.080 of shot and bad errors in the third set, particularly 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.280 offer return. Like she'd be getting into the third set 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.880 or getting into the game, it'd be fifteen thirty on 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.440 Ostabanco serve or fifty you know, love thirty and she 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.480 would just miss a return and it's just like what 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.200 is that? And that is pressure because she knows if 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.600 I don't hit a great shot, she's going to hit 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.120 a winner. But sometimes you have to force your opponent, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.360 particularly in really critical moments, to hit a winner. And 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.280 it was very similar to what Runa did to Akarez today. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.559 We'll get into that, but I just feel like eager panics. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.840 She doesn't play the ball behind Ostapanco enough. She doesn't 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.440 play enough variety. She doesn't hit a couple of high 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.320 balls like Osabnka loves the ball in her hitting zone, 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.559 get it above her shoulder, particularly on the forehand. She 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.400 doesn't like that shot, but she doesn't try the variety. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.560 So the next time they're projected to play and I 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.880 don't like doing the like, well, you know they're probably 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.719 going to beat in the quarterfinals, they'll probably you know, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.320 because I feel like tennis, one of the things we 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:16.840 like about it all right, I like about it is 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.480 it's so unpredictable, you don't know, you know, making projections 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.680 into the semis and finals just feels like an exercise 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:22.760 and stupidity. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.480 But there's a chance they could play again very soon. 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:26.800 Yeah. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.280 On the surface, which is also Madrid at elevation, is 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.800 a fast court which even though it's clay, will probably 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:33.080 also favor. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.080 Well, it's certainly why we do play. It won't be 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.120 a massive like if it will be the advance you 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.720 get places against Ostapenko on in Rome or in Paris, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.400 I think it will be a different result. But if 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.520 I was coaching her and we were got to sort 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.480 of getting to this before we start the pod, is 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.040 that how do you change that mindset for the player? 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.520 And it's kind of like a you know, a reset 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.360 in their own brains. And I would say to her, 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.840 look all these other times before you've done this, you've 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.480 done that, you've tried this. You need to go out 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.640 there without a doubt in your mind that you're winning 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.280 this match. Ye, And you know, I had a situation 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.520 where I was coaching Caroline Plishkova and she had lost many, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.160 many many times to Patrick Viteva country her country rooman. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.359 They played a club levels. They weren't exactly great friends. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:26.080 They you know, she didn't necessarily like losing. And I 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.680 gave Carolina three things only to think about in that match. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.760 I wanted her to cover a certain forehand, I wanted 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.840 her to cover a certain serve on a big point, 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.640 and I wanted her to hit it to one spot 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.200 in particular. And I literally gave her two or three things, 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.440 and I said, and you're not losing this fucking match today, 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.320 Like no, And even her husband said to me, what 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.600 do you think? You know, he would always sort of 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.240 say what do you think? And clearly I was always 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.400 positive with ever whoever she played. But I was like, oh, no, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.400 she's winning today, and he looked at me, are you serious? 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.960 I go, oh, yeah, she's winning today because I knew 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.840 that there was two shots that that Petra particularly liked. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.400 And I think that once you know that, it's sort 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.760 of like knowing what your opponent's strengths and weaknesses are. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.400 When you walk on the court. You know what they're 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.880 going to do, and you think oh, oh, I've got that. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.720 And I think that that helped in the very first 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.560 game when Petra, you know, hit a certain shot or 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.440 two and it was almost like Carolina looked at me like, oh, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.800 I've got this. So you've got to be very, very 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.840 positive to your player, tell them one or two things 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.000 and tell them you're not losing this fucking match today, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.000 And that's the way you have to be. I would 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.160 be with Eager, I would give her two or three things. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.160 I would definitely tell her to hit some drop shots 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.040 more and make her move and hit some angles, get 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:40.960 her off the court, and then drive the ball. But 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.560 if you're going to just try and hit with her, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:43.360 you're not going to win. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:44.960 Last thing and your serve. 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:45.920 You've got to change your serf. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:46.600 So yeah, last thing. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.080 I need to because some of the things you talked 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.000 about and I was asking you about were like a 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.040 matchup specific strategy. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.280 More broadly, you know. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.480 I think obviously this is the part of the season 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.800 that Eager tends to emerge as our dominent. Obviously, Clay Quarter, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.560 she's got, you know, some competition maybe from the Elina's 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:06.480 Fidelina's of the world. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:07.320 At the Cocoa Goths. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.520 You know, it was nice to see Mukhova obviously get 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.840 to the French Open final last year. But by and large, 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.840 like when the clay season goes outdoors to a slower surface, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:20.080 it's egos to lose any concern for you with egas 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.520 play so far this year, this isn't typically when she 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.679 does that. Well anyway, she doesn't typically have a good 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.840 Australia or a good Middle East. She doesn't, you know, typically, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.399 But yeah, like, I mean, she's had hard court season, 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.479 she's had periods in the Sunshine doubles. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.000 You'd want her to i think, be better looking than 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.680 she has looked so far this year. Well for sure, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.679 and he look. 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:39.520 At two or three years ago. She had a thirty 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.639 seven match win streak, right, I mean from the Straine Open, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.320 the moment ash Body pulled out as number one player 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.040 in the world EGA one, you know, Indian Wells, Miami, 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.399 every clay court tournament, the French Open. I mean, she 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.920 was on fire. So you can't say it is starting 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.080 to okay. I call it plock on the brain. Right 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.400 when you have a little bit of you know, where 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.960 you're not confident, you start there's little things that start 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.840 getting into your brain and you got to chip away 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.399 at them, and so you got to chip away at 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.320 this eager match up with Oscar pan Cope in some way. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.800 But a lot of it is she now has this 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.240 like scared feeling of I'm not winning what I should 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.280