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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where love is Love,

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Speaker 1: but also where love is sometime zero. It's Thursday, May first,

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Speaker 1: and on today's show, we're continuing our iHeart Women's Sports Week,

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Speaker 1: spotlighting great podcasts from our slate of shows. Today's special

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Speaker 1: the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. Now, we've had Renee on

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Speaker 1: the show before, and producer Alex and I also got

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Speaker 1: to sit next to her for Last Balls Billy Jean

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Speaker 1: King Cup Finals. Did we ask her all of our

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Speaker 1: burning tennis questions?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do we also now know exactly why tennis players compare

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Speaker 1: fuzz levels before choosing a ball to serve with.

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Speaker 3: Also yes. To get your prep for.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode, we asked Renee to send over her best

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Speaker 1: elevator pitch for the show.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, my name's Renee Stubbs and I'm the host

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Speaker 2: of the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. If you love tennis,

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Speaker 2: you'll love this podcast. I'm a former six time major

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Speaker 2: champion and i played on tour for twenty two years,

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Speaker 2: so I've got some stories, i know some people, and

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Speaker 2: we have a bit of a laugh. So if you

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Speaker 2: love the sport of tennis, you'll love this podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by my friends On Thompson and Andrea Pekovic, and

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Speaker 2: we just love the sport and we hope you love

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Speaker 2: it as much as we do.

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Speaker 1: Today you'll hear the episode from April twenty second, featuring

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Speaker 1: Renee and producer Caitlin Thompson. Renee also gave us a

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Speaker 1: little preview of that episode.

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Speaker 2: We get into all things clay season in Europe, Stuttgart, Munich,

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Speaker 2: and so much more. We also talk about the worry Index,

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Speaker 2: which players are we worried about. Yeah, we're worried about

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Speaker 2: some greats including Novak, Djokovic, Iger Schiantek and so many others.

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Speaker 2: Leaning up of course to the French Open.

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Speaker 1: All right, Slaicer's That episode of the Renee Stubs Tennis

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. Caitlin

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Speaker 2: and I are back together. We had a little of

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Speaker 2: sabbatical last week. Hope you didn't mind.

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Speaker 3: You were on school holiday.

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Speaker 2: Where were you?

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Speaker 3: It was a tennis camp with my family.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's allowed. I was just gillant.

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Speaker 3: Actually that's you deserve that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I do deserve that. From time to time.

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Speaker 2: But we are back. We are back in regards to

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. Let's talk about the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks. But more importantly, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of very interesting results this past week, including before we

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Speaker 3: Didn't realize Germany was that Catholic.

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Speaker 4: Well, apparently are for good Friday, because I was like,

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Speaker 3: They just skip a d do they always do that?

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Speaker 2: District always sky don't formber Remember Easter moves around, right, great,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they all lost in mind because they're like,

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Speaker 4: I was shocked because it was a Monday final, which

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, like, I mean listen, I'm all

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Speaker 2: But to take a whole day off at tennis tournament

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Speaker 2: And I played a long time, and I played over Easter.

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Speaker 4: I was shocked to see no tennis on my TV

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Speaker 4: Monday morning from Stutgart a final. Usually you just see

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Speaker 4: Stutgart as a result, and sugar back, let's.

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Speaker 2: Get to it, let's get let's get to I want

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Speaker 2: That's just things don't really go her way, and then

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Speaker 3: So maybe there is something to the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: Strange to me. I think what it is is is

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Speaker 2: Having said that, Ostapenko's game lends itself really well to

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Speaker 4: There does seem something particular about this matchup if some

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Speaker 4: but it looked like Ego went out there and was

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Speaker 2: And I want to see eager start pretty rejuicing a

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Speaker 2: She doesn't play the ball behind Ostapanco enough. She doesn't

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Speaker 4: So the next time they're projected to play and I

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Speaker 3: But there's a chance they could play again very soon.

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Speaker 3: More broadly, you know.

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Speaker 4: take out a number one seed when you have no

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00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 4: pressure and everyone's sort of you know, you can smile.

435
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 4: I mean, even in the magic up against Sabilenca, Sabulenka

436
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 4: had all the pressure then the Pega playing with house

437
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 4: money for sure, whereas Eager. I think she has a

438
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 4: lot of expectations, you know, and I think compounded by

439
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 4: the fact that she's already a player who's like pretty

440
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 4: mentally you know on or off, and I think.

441
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: That, yeah, sort of believes that she's going to beat

442
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 2: everybody on any day, whether she goes or not.

443
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 3: She doesn't.

444
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 2: She's like, well, it was just me, I played terrible.

445
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 2: It's never about her opponent playing well. She's either I

446
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 2: played great and I won. Yeah, you know, never never

447
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 2: mind the fact that they played like crap. She played

448
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 2: great that sight. But she is that type of player

449
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 2: and if she loses, it's because she played terrible.

450
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: It's never good string.

451
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: It's always on her streets. To be honest with you,

452
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 2: it is a lot of the time. But also there

453
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: are times where you hit a shot that was just

454
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 2: so dumb as well, like, but she doesn't look at

455
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: it like that.

456
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 4: So the delusion part of her ballroom dancing career. With

457
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 4: this amount of delusion, do you think she's like, I

458
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 4: am the world's greatest dancer.

459
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.

460
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 3: I love that.

461
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: I mean, but that, you know, the ego. The ego

462
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: fest out in the final today with Saberlenca, because let's

463
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: face it, Arena definitely has her own like behind the

464
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 2: ship kind of feel, and she should, by the way,

465
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 2: because she's arguably the best player in the world. But

466
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: at the same time, today I think a little bit

467
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: of horse's mental as well in Stuttgart, having lost in

468
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: the final so many times there that I actually think

469
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: that hurt her today.

470
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you know, Arena Sablinka doesn't usually

471
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 4: suffer in the self confidence department, until all of a

472
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 4: sudden she does, and that's catastrophic. Yeah, so she still

473
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 4: has that. I'm really impressed by her in the last

474
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 4: couple of years. You know, we've obviously talked about the

475
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 4: yips on the serve and getting over the semi final hurdle,

476
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 4: which for a while in Grand Slams was like her

477
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 4: big yeah, you know, gating mechanism where she just kind

478
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 4: of couldn't get there even if she was superior to

479
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 4: the person she was playing on that day. So I think, yeah, Like,

480
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 4: I think one of the things that I've had really

481
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 4: endearing about Arena Sebleca. She's so confident, she's so tough,

482
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: and she's such a valkyrie and all this stuff, except

483
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 4: sometimes she's not and she's scared and it's a you know,

484
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 4: emotional But again, I think that's part of the inherent

485
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 4: drama of watching her and being her fan that I

486
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 4: kind of like, but it seemed like that was at

487
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 4: play today.

488
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: One thing, I am getting a little bit tied of

489
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: with a Rae and listen, we all love the historyonics

490
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: and the crazy and the speeches, but I'm really tired

491
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: of her going after her team when she loses with sarcasm.

492
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm over it when she loses, that's funny. It's just

493
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: like at that point, at this point, it's like, all right,

494
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: stop telling your team, hey, guys, great job today. You know,

495
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: it's just every time it's gotten, it's gotten stale. So

496
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: we got it, Rena, we got it up that we

497
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: just got to thank your team or night and just

498
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: stop yeap giving them ship because it's so passive, aggressive

499
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: and it's a little.

500
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,959
Speaker 3: Annoying, not funny.

501
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: It's just not changing. And then she tries to laugh

502
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: and I's like, oh no, it's not funny. You've give

503
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: the guys ship.

504
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

505
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: Also, they're your PETE employees, Like are they gonna.

506
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna say yeah, they can't put a

507
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 2: mental finger up.

508
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: It's like to see them doing, like to see them.

509
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: So you mentioned Runa and O crast should we get

510
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: to that match?

511
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: Yes, let's get to that Barcelona.

512
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 4: Wow.

513
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: That was you know, it was interesting because we we

514
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: sort of talked about a bunch of years ago that

515
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: Runa sinner our caress, We're going to be the next

516
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: big three, right totally, that was what everyone talked about,

517
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: Oh this is the next big three. Runa, who was

518
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: in he had that amazing couple of weeks being jo.

519
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

520
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: We didn't even write down Djokovic. We got to get

521
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 2: to that at one stage. But let me just say,

522
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: Runa reminds me so much of Al Karaz when they

523
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: played earlier on I was like, oh God, these guys

524
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: are going to go at it for years because they

525
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: are very similar with the way they play, very unbelievably athletic,

526
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: that both of them are so quick. They don't have

527
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: massive serves, but they have great serves. They like to

528
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: come in, they like to hit that little slidy, little

529
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: touch forehand volley like there was a volley today. There

530
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: was a there was a point yesterday that Runa played

531
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: I think it was four all or five all in

532
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: the first set, thirty all and he served and bollied

533
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: and he hit an unbelievable little touch forehand volly which

534
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: you know has to be perfect yence oucres because he's

535
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: going to run it down. But when he hit that,

536
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that was so gutsy of him to

537
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: do that. And then to see him he was the

538
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: more disciplined, And this is the difference because know it,

539
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he wasn't disciplined before, maybe because he

540
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: was young, but also I think technically he struggled a little.

541
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: On the forehand, he was a little bit this in way.

542
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: In this way, I think he's starting to really come

543
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: into his own. He's had the same guy coaching him

544
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: now for years. I think he had too many voices

545
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: in his head. He had this coach and that coach,

546
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: and he's had that same guy.

547
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 3: And that was his childhood coach.

548
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 4: Then he returned to and I think that can't knew

549
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 4: what he shows. It looks like he's getting the same

550
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 4: consistent messaging, which for him and I kind of like

551
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: this about him, like he's kind of been a punk

552
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: in the past, but he sort of owns it in

553
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 4: a way that I find.

554
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: I've once said famously on this podcast, sometimes he's got

555
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: a punishable face because he did act like a douchebag,

556
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: like three or four years ago.

557
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: And way to go Hilgaruna, for he has.

558
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: Been chewed so much. He's he's you know on the court.

559
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: I mean what he here's displayed today, particularly in the

560
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: first day. Look, second set, there's no question in my

561
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: mind that olcraz was absolutely hampered with that right quad

562
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: sorry groin area, hip flexa. You could tell particularly he

563
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: served that he was struggling with. And look, Auterrez is

564
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: not a bullshitter. He's not gonna be like, yoh, my

565
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: leg hurts because I lost the first set. He's the

566
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: type of guy that would love the challenge of playing

567
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: in Barcelona, winning a match with three sets yep. So

568
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: he was definitely hampered, but the first set he wasn't.

569
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: And that was a difference that Holgaruna was way more disciplined,

570
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: particularly in the time break. I mean, oucre has tried

571
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: to hit that back end drop shot like at three

572
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: to two up on the midi break, and it was

573
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: terrible shot, Like there were just choices and his forehand

574
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: goes off.

575
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: His fore hand.

576
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: He missed some of those five feet fay sic shit,

577
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 4: basic shit, And I think that's sort of, you know,

578
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 4: one of the things that's so endearing I think.

579
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: About, Oh God, I loves which everyone loves it. I mean,

580
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: he moves feathery light like Fetterer.

581
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 4: He's got the battle intensity of Nadal, He's got the

582
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: flexibility of you know, Djokovic, Like he.

583
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: Really does have all the tools.

584
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: But the one thing he's missing, and this he could

585
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: really learn from Djokovic, is the mental fortitude and the

586
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 4: ability to stay disciplined and stay in because he certainly

587
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: does not have that, and it doesn't show a match

588
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 4: because he's so good.

589
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: Well, look, he's so fun.

590
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: But in a match like this where it actually comes

591
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: down to a tie break and a few points and

592
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 4: a few choices, he's taking mental vacations. He's like doing

593
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: dumb shit, which I kind of again sort of like

594
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 4: about it about him because it makes when he's able

595
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 4: to keep it together almost a much better. But you

596
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: kind of forget, like, oh, this is actually his big hurdle.

597
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: It's not physical, it's not you know, creative, it's actually

598
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: he's just you know, a space is too creative.

599
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: He's got too many shots and that's just making them,

600
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: knows it. Sometimes did better than him in the final yesterday.

601
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: He was more disciplined, fresh line, and you know he

602
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: was rewarded for it, and for me, I'm super happy

603
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: about it because I absolutely you know how I feel

604
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: about Carlos. I love this guy so much. He is

605
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: so good for the game. He's the very nicest kid

606
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: you could ever meet in your tire life. And when

607
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: I say, I've not met a nicer young man, he

608
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: is nice to every single person. Stuff I did got.

609
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 4: Fun gossip, Oh, good, give me some. Apparently the ladies

610
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: really love Carlos. Yeah, and he's gotten himself into some

611
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: hot water among some prominent Spanish business honors because of

612
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: his prowess. Prowess unless then makes me love him memore

613
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: because he's twenty years of age and.

614
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: Let him have fun. Yeah, he's like, get the world

615
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: need to be tied down at this point in his life? No,

616
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: he certainly doesn't, and I'm happy about it.

617
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: But it is really funny just because you're like, oh, yeah,

618
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: he's a twenty year old, sort of cultish young talent.

619
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: But yeah, I can imagine Holgaruna walking into bunk Sabadel

620
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: Stadium in Barcelona spin basically the closest thing you get

621
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 4: to a home turf.

622
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, for Carlos Alkaraz.

623
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because Nadal. They showed Nadal winning that

624
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: tournament twelve times, and I was like, fucking hell. First

625
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: of all, what And then I thought the difference with

626
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Carlos and Rafa, because you know, everyone wants to compare

627
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: these two Spanish greats. You know, Carlos is are great.

628
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean, what he's achieved in his career is phenomenal. Yeah, sure,

629
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: but like Rafa would never pick the shots that Raff

630
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: that Carlos does. You know, even he had an opportunity

631
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: to actually break back.

632
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: In the.

633
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's in the tie break, and he came running

634
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: in and he just hit. He chose a shot that

635
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, I hate coming in on the forehand cross court.

636
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: He hid an inside in fourhand in a huge point

637
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: and ran in and got passed, and everyone's like, what

638
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: a shot.

639
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: From Actually I'm like, actually that decision.

640
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Easiest shot to hit in tennis as a running foehand

641
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: cross court. So he like, those are mental decisions that

642
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: someone like Ruffa wouldn't do, which is why Ruffa could

643
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: win the French Open fourteen times because his discipline was

644
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: through the roof. But anyway, I'm happy about Runa winning

645
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: because it adds that little extra spice of you. How

646
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: about the French Open, because Carlos is by father favorite,

647
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: so why can't Runa, Why can't Severev? We know Sverev

648
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: will have a hard time because he chokes when it

649
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: comes to the finals.

650
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: But he didn't choke yesterday.

651
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: But yes he did not choke essay. But again he's

652
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: won that tournament now three times in a row. You

653
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: feel comfortable and unique? Is this little for him to

654
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: lose to Ben Shelton on clay? That should never happen? Correct, Okay,

655
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't care what you think about no bendness game.

656
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: You should not lose that match, and he showed why

657
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: he's the better player on clay. But I think I

658
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: think Severev and Runa uh saying to everyone just hold

659
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: the phone a little bit. Carlos is not the overwhelming

660
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: favorite at the French So if you want to put

661
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: a little money on those two players, you should because

662
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: they're probably well outside the favorite betting. And I think

663
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 2: that there's an opportunity there for someone to come in

664
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: and say, Okay, maybe it's my turn this year.

665
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: Just like we talked about Eger and like you know,

666
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: let's get the worried index.

667
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: I am the.

668
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: Only person I think who cares about Stephano's teeth buss.

669
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: But I am worried about him because he put out

670
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: with the back injury. And I love him, and he's

671
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 4: been in years past a pretty solid performer on clay.

672
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: He's one Monte Carlo, He's gotten to the French Open finals.

673
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: I want him to get better because I like watching

674
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: his beautiful one head of backhand and all of his shenanigans.

675
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: But a player that I think you're gonna actually feel

676
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: a little bit more excited.

677
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: About talking about for the worry in deck is Novak Djokovic.

678
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.

679
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: You know, we cannot overemphasize this is the greatest player

680
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: of all time. He's won more than anyone else. But

681
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: he is not getting younger. And at some point, when

682
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: you start getting this scar tissue, which is what I'm saying,

683
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: that plark on your brain, you have lost the confidence

684
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: to win matches. Even I don't care how great you

685
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: are as a player. When you're not winning matches, it

686
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: is not easy anymore, and everybody starts to think you're

687
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: vulnerable making you're making errors that you didn't make before

688
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: that you are not the discipline player that you used

689
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: to be, and at some point you do. You're getting

690
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: older and your legs aren't quite there, you're missing a

691
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: shot because you're pulling the trigger too early, or you

692
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: just don't have the discipline. And I just feel like

693
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: he has won one tournament, one tournament and a year

694
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: and what four months? Yeah, five months going into five months.

695
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: One tournament that was the Olympics, and you get it

696
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: over best of three sets, which I can say that

697
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: I think that was the best tennis I've ever seen

698
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: him play. Yes, but if it was best of five,

699
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: would he have won that Olympics? I don't know. I

700
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: don't think so. I mean because I actually mentioned that

701
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: to Carlos when I saw him two weeks later. I said, oh,

702
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, bad luck, maybe in five sets you win.

703
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, I feel like two, you know, And

704
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, because he feels like you can

705
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: grind those matches out against someone like Novak and best

706
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: of five.

707
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: But which is ironic because what I think has helped

708
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: Novak Djokovic so much in his career is the quantity

709
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: of five set matches and we've seen him be vulnerable

710
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: in three set matches and the irony now that that's

711
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 4: hopefully playing into his favor. Although let's see, I mean

712
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 4: he's been winning neither five set tournaments nor three set tournaments.

713
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: He's tournaments outside of the Olympics, which again is a

714
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 4: staggering cool achievement, which obviously he was very focused on

715
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: and I know a lot of his fans were like

716
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: happy because that completes.

717
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: The trophy case.

718
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: But it is a little bit of a question mark

719
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: because usually I think at this time of the year,

720
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: we're used to, even in years where he doesn't start well,

721
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: seeing him be viable contender.

722
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: And I think we felt that last year too. Remember

723
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: what's happening last year and we were like, oh, well,

724
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: he'll turn up at the French you'll do what he

725
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: didn't and then of course he you know, the Olympics

726
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: was I think it was just meant to be. I

727
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: just do. I think there was a calmer thing there

728
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: and it was meant to be, and that Raffle wasn't

729
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: there at the French You know, he was there at

730
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: the Olympics, but he wasn't the player that we know

731
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: he is, and it just there was something serendipitous about

732
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: it was his time, right, But everything else since then,

733
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, and I'm I'm going

734
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: to go on the record, and I think I think

735
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: he might. I think we might. We've seen the best

736
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: of Nova choko it. I think he might surprise us

737
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: with one random tournament win before he retires. But I

738
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: think that we might not see him next year, Okay,

739
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: because I don't care who you are. When you're that great,

740
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: losing sucks, yeah, And I don't care how much discipline

741
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: you have to want to be better. Losing sucks. And

742
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: when you're used to winning everything, losing sucks, and so

743
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: you start to it starts to really affect you and

744
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: your personal life and you and yourself everything. And it's like,

745
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: why do I want to keep dragging myself away from

746
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: my kids who are getting older? And I told you

747
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: this that the US Open two years ago, it was

748
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: the first time I interviewed him before he went on

749
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: the court, and I thought, huh, he doesn't sound overly

750
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: pumped about going out now this match. It was the

751
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: first time where I was shipping the Yeah, it was like,

752
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, how do you get up? I think I

753
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: asked him along the lines of something like, how do

754
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: you get up for these you know, what is it

755
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: about Arthur ash at night or getting up for these

756
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: matches and putting yourself through this kind of thing, And

757
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, sometimes I wonder myself and I

758
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: it was something along that side. I wasn't that verbata,

759
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: but I remember in my brain going, huh, that's the

760
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: first time I've ever heard him be a little bit

761
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: sort of like negative and over going on the court.

762
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: It was weird, and since then he has not done well.

763
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: So I'm just I just think that at some point

764
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: it's hard to keep digging yourself out and keep pretending

765
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: that you're still this great when when you're not having

766
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: the results and you know, having Andy maybe was trying to,

767
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, get a little spark going, or get

768
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: a little of Andy's sort of ideas to make him better.

769
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: But I just think at some point we all get old.

770
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: Well, as you were talking about Novak Djokovic and losing,

771
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: sucking and not wanting to go out there after, you know,

772
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: a time of feeling like you know, you're not who.

773
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: You used to be.

774
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: The interesting thing about this is I think Andy fought

775
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 4: until the bitter end. He did he didn't, he didn't

776
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: go out on top.

777
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also Caitlin Andy was great, but he wasn't Novak.

778
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: No like and and Andy had gone through his ups

779
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: and downs, and Andy loved. Andy loves tennis.

780
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: He loves the I think he loves the grist, whereas

781
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 4: I think the difference might be I think Novak loves

782
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: the battle, but I think ultimately he loves prevailing over

783
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 4: every type of obstacle, even those he makes himself.

784
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, happened. I just I mean, listen, Wimbledon will tell

785
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: the story.

786
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the first player at the friend I

787
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: feel like it's done necessarily an indicator, but I think

788
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: Lodon is the indicator.

789
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Now. Interestingly enough, Sinner will be back and we'll see

790
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: sin in Rome, so we'll see what Janick Sinner has

791
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: been up to in is three months.

792
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: This is what I'm talking about. These are the storylines

793
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: we've needed and been missing.

794
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: I love it.

795
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: And while we're on the subject of Sinner, there was

796
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: an interesting tweet that John Wartime put out and highlighted

797
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: the fact that the Itia is now having the urine

798
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: sample people that follow you off the court watch you

799
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: in the showers and I'm like, wait a second, that's

800
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: always been the facts. And people were shocked about that,

801
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 2: like what that's that's so you know, that's diving into

802
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: your privacy and moratherele. It's like, yeah, the moment you lose,

803
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: you would know as a player, you would see these people.

804
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: I was going to say something bad then, but I'm like,

805
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: they're just people doing their jobs right now. But we

806
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: would see these people with the as and gentlemen.

807
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: That's just goodness, some real growth.

808
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: But it's gonna get worse. Here are these people sitting

809
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: there in the corner with their fucking what do you

810
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: call those things? Clipboards? You see the clipboard people. You

811
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: just know I'm not showering alone in how even if

812
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: you win a match or lose a match, you know

813
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: the clip people are there and they're gonna clip you

814
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: and make your pee. And so the moment you walk

815
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: off the court, they are literally behind you like they

816
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: are velco on you. They're like a hemorrhoid. They just

817
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: follow you into the locker room. Clearly you have women,

818
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: So the women come into.

819
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 3: The locker rooms, You're just doing your jobs.

820
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: They come it, you just doing your jobs, go into

821
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: the locker room, you take your clothes off. You want

822
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: to shower. Now, a lot of people shower, including myself,

823
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: because you know, when the water starts in the shower,

824
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, they've gotta go to the

825
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: toilets so bad, right, Yeah, And some people pee in

826
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 2: the shower, okay, and those that deny it are lying. Okay,

827
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: because everyone pee is in the shower, so fuck off.

828
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Those that you don't pee in the shower, you're not normal, okay.

829
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: So I would go and have a shower because I'm like,

830
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've got a peace so bad. But

831
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: I would hang on to it. I would hang on

832
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: to it, Caitlin, and then I'll would come out of

833
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: that shower.

834
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: This is TMIO accepted, it's not because.

835
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: It's important, and I would go okay, I would tell off,

836
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: I put my clothes on, I go to okay, let's

837
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: go pee. And I would go pee. Right Because when

838
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: you come off the court, you dehydrated. You've been out

839
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: there for an hour, two hours, three hours, you're not hydrated,

840
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: so it's really hard to pee immediately off the court.

841
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: And some people pee during the match. I never did

842
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: that because I wasn't a person that went off the

843
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: fucking tennis court like everybody else does on tour now,

844
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: which is so annoying. And so now they're saying, well,

845
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: they're going to be looking at you. I was like

846
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: they were always looking at us in the shower. So

847
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: why is this all of a sudden used to everybody.

848
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

849
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: I've been trying to figure out exactly what is new

850
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: about this to people, but I don't think there is

851
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: anything now.

852
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: Caitlyn, there was one time, right, just so people out

853
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: there know how invasive it is. I was peeing in

854
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: the cup, okay, and we ladies, you know, it's not

855
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: that easy to get it into that cup, right, because

856
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: the stream sometimes doesn't go the way you want it to. Okay,

857
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 2: I know, we get into TMI, but this is a fact.

858
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: And I've got the cup underneath me and I'm trying

859
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: to find it, and literally the lady is standing three

860
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: feet from me, right in front of me, okay, and

861
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 2: she looks at me and she goes, I can't see

862
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: the cup.

863
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: I excuse me. That makes two of us.

864
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: She goes, I can't see the cup. I can't see

865
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: if the if and I go, well, lady, I'm sorry.

866
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: If you want to see the cup, then you wouldn't

867
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: have to test me because I'd be a dude.

868
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: You'd be in here, okay here.

869
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: You would see my you know what, going into the cup.

870
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: It's impossible to like, what do you want me to

871
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: stand up and do it? Like it's so invasive. So

872
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: people that say, you know, tennis is the most tested

873
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: sport in the world.

874
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: It's insane.

875
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 4: I want to perhaps suggest, because I think you're right

876
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: from what I can tell, it's not necessarily new. Maybe

877
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: they just they definitely reissued the rules, so maybe people

878
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 4: outside of the sport were surprised by it.

879
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: Sounds like no player were surprised by yeah.

880
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: But also the thing that I think was new, that

881
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: that Worth Times tweet maybe was illustrating, is that the

882
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: agency clarified that showering is not an entitlement, which sort

883
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: of is an ominis threat, which is basically like, if

884
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: you guys don't follow the rules, we're not even gonna

885
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna make it outside the rules for you to

886
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: shower eat at all, which maybe is me reading into it,

887
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: but I think the the emphasis on showering not being

888
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: an entitlement Therefore the implication is you could lose your It's.

889
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: So preposterous because you're going into the shower. You're not

890
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: you have seen.

891
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: Look here's the thing.

892
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 4: I think, maybe not to get to go down this

893
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: rabbit hole too much, but I think maybe the issue

894
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 4: here is not necessarily about showers and people peeing in

895
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: the shower. I think maybe it is if you were

896
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: using a cream or topical substance on your body. Maybe

897
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 4: the rule emphasis go to wash it off is that

898
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: they were going to wash off.

899
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert. I'm not.

900
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: And you are telling you about absorption of you have just.

901
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 4: Come up because with you know, with with the But

902
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: I think maybe that's sort of again I'm reading to

903
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: some of us which might.

904
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: Be putting testosterone cream on them.

905
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: Would they oh, okay, yeah, and.

906
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Of course this is what happens. Oh but here's the thing, Caitlin.

907
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: It absorbs in like five seconds. Second. Of all, you're

908
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: on a tennis court for two fucking hours playing a

909
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: tennis match where you're sweating and toweling yourself off all

910
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: the time.

911
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if they.

912
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: Think you're coming off a tennis court to wash off

913
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: your your your testatone cream your creams, you are out

914
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: of your mind. So the fact that they're putting that

915
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: out there is just to make everybody think, oh, we're

916
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: so stringent. You guys have been stringent on the fucking

917
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: players forever, So it's just nonsense that they put that

918
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: out Anyway, different subjects.

919
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: I think the one conclusion we can clearly draw is that, I.

920
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: Mean, did people not watch Icarus?

921
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: People should watch Icarus. What a great film Icress.

922
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: Is, and they were passing the p under the door.

923
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: Yes, that's for anybody who doesn't know. Is about a

924
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: man who sets out to because he is a recreational cyclist,

925
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: take advantage of the fact that he's a recreational cyclist

926
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: and begin a doping program and again begins as a recreational.

927
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: Innocence like you taking meldonia.

928
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: Exactly like me taking meldonium, which is like, well, it's

929
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: technically not illegal.

930
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm a recreational level player.

931
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: Maybe this will help, Will it help? Let me find

932
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: out meets the guy. The guy who's helping him turns

933
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: out to be helping the entire Soviet U and I

934
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: guess later Russian Soviet, the entire Russian Olympic team skirt

935
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: doping protocols and he like set up the whole system

936
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 4: and then it becomes this expos a on which results

937
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: even way too much. People need to realize what they're

938
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 4: in for, which is amazing. Anyways, a great film.

939
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: It won the one thing we can.

940
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: Be sure about, which is the tennis is doping protocols,

941
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: agencies and approach still leaves a lot to be desired.

942
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: It is, but also trust me, they're not doing anything

943
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: nefarious in the bloody shower because people are staring at you.

944
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Can we talk about little Harriet.

945
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: Dot and how showering sort of factors into this as well.

946
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: Speaking of showering, Speaking of showering, Harriet Dart, the British

947
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: player losing a match in the first take around, she

948
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: was not happy with her opponent's body odor on the

949
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: tennis court.

950
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: Now, listen, we've all been there. I've all been there.

951
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: I've had opponents that didn't smell good and it wasn't fun.

952
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: But the fact that she said something.

953
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 3: To the umpire can you make this girl? Were you orderant?

954
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: Like if you're going to be that person and listen,

955
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: let me just say Harriett is great. She's funny, she's

956
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: a sweetheart. She lost her mind a little bit here,

957
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: and she did apologize, and it wasn't a great look.

958
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: The opponent her name is a skipping me, but she

959
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: put out a great opponent Instagram later for a Dove commercial,

960
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: which I thought was hilarious.

961
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, she would basically said, hey, Dove, sounds like I

962
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: need a sponsorship.

963
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: Yes, which I thought apparently probably does. But I thought

964
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: that if you're going to do that, Harriet, just say

965
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: it to your opponent. Just go you stink, like if

966
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: you're going to do something on the court, just because

967
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: then nobody hears it, right, you just say it to

968
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: her and maybe you get under a skin no pun,

969
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: all right, but I did. I did. It's not a

970
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: good look, but I did have a laugh about it.

971
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: It wasn't great, but.

972
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: I think because it ended well with Harriet apologizing and

973
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: the French woman making a joke about it, it is all.

974
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: I guess so.

975
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: And I do feel like sometimes we lose our mind

976
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: on the tennis.

977
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: Court because people lose their minds.

978
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: We've all done some crisy shit.

979
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: Should we talk about.

980
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 4: A player who is losing her mind at the WTA

981
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 4: right now doing them? Let's see Serenko one of the

982
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 4: Ukrainian players who has been very very vocal about feeling

983
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: like the Ukrainian players have not been supported enough.

984
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: And this is not the first time she's made UH

985
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: a statement about this. She's been very vocal from has

986
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 3: been very vocal.

987
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: She's one of the players and to be clear, the

988
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: Ukrainian players who have refused to shake the hands of

989
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: Russian and Bello Russian players.

990
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: She's not alone in this. It's also Elena's Fitelina.

991
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't blame them Marchakostiac, Yeah, but Lesio

992
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: Cerenko has pulled out and withdrawn and UH had.

993
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: Covers to her opponents.

994
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: She's the one who sort of stands out as being

995
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: the most sort of intense about this.

996
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying she's wrong to be intense.

997
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: About it, but now she issuing the WTA FO Essentially,

998
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: it sounds like kind of a combination of creating a

999
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: hustle work environment and not supporting the Ukrainian players enough.

1000
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: Against She's claiming that Steve Simon, the former CEO of

1001
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: the WTA, was not essentially not supportive of her and

1002
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: very flippant towards her. That's how she felt if you

1003
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 2: read the complaint and basically sort of going after Steve

1004
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways and the WTA and saying

1005
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: you weren't supportive of us, etcetera, etcetera, and you said

1006
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: things that made me feel uncomfortable that all might be

1007
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: well and true. And I'm sure, I'm sure that she

1008
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: felt that way. But listen, I do know Steve. You know,

1009
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: think what you think about him as a CEO or

1010
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: some of the things that he did as a CEO,

1011
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: But he's a good man. He's a good man, and

1012
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: he I would find very unusual for him to be

1013
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: not caring or not empathetic towards someone like Lisa Lisia Cerenko.

1014
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine him being just, you know, kind

1015
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: of like dismissive, bugger off like kind of thing. I

1016
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: can't imagine that at all.

1017
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: What do you think is behind this?

1018
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 4: I don't understand this, bringing this into the courts.

1019
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't understand this at all. I don't understand this

1020
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: at all. Look, Lisia Serenko is a little bit of

1021
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: a drama coint. Any any player will tell you that.

1022
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: Any person on the tour will tell you that she

1023
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: sometimes pulls some like drama stuff on the court, whether

1024
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: it be injuries or sicknesses or whatever's going on.

1025
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: It's just like, oh, I think she possesses one of

1026
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: there's a stat oh the most defaults, defaults and withdrawals

1027
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 4: for all reason, for all things, all things.

1028
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: So you know, unfortunately, it's kind of like the boy

1029
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: that cries wolf. At some point people are going to

1030
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: be like, I don't believe you. Yeah, kind of thing.

1031
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: So where is this coming from Ukraine? Or is this

1032
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: about your mental state? Or is this about something else

1033
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: or this?

1034
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: And again, what the Ukrainian players going through. I cannot

1035
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: even fathom what they're going through. What Switzerlina has been

1036
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: able to do over the last couple of years in

1037
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: highlighting Ukraine talking about all the time, but going out

1038
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: there and winning for her country like that, to me

1039
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: is incredible, and she talks about it openly all the time. Now,

1040
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: why isn't she saying or standing up and saying I

1041
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: feel the same way. It feels a little bit unusual

1042
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: and a little bit it doesn't feel like you would

1043
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: think that all the Ukrainian players would be more supportive

1044
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: of this situation.

1045
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: It is odd that and sort of maybe indicative of

1046
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: what's motivating us to your point that the most dramatic,

1047
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: the most sort of uh possessing of other stuff that's

1048
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: going on. Player, I mean, to me, it's hard not

1049
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: to draw some comparisons between this and the PTPA, which

1050
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 4: is like, hey, have you know in the case.

1051
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: Of the PTPA last so it's like, hey, have the.

1052
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: Players gotten short tripted by the tournament with regards to

1053
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 4: prize money and like the scheduling and s something this, Like, yeah,

1054
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: there's some valid points here, like has it been extremely

1055
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 4: hard for the Ukrainian players to you know, play even

1056
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 4: after the governing body is not just you the WTA,

1057
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 4: but also you know, the Slam countries and the international

1058
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: competitions like the BJK Cup and Davis Cup have stripped

1059
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: the Russian and Bell Russian players of being able to

1060
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 4: play under their own flag, like you know, nobody's playing

1061
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: the Russian or Bell Russian anthems. Like but I agree,

1062
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 4: like there's you know, it's shitty, but it's kind of like, hey,

1063
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 4: is this the format?

1064
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: What there is a lawsuit doing? What is the point

1065
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: of this?

1066
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: And you can't She singled out a couple of particular tennis.

1067
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: Players, Steve Simon is named in this suit. Some of

1068
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: the Russian players specifically are named in.

1069
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 4: This suit, and it's just kind of like it's the

1070
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 4: same thing to me with the PTBA, which is like, hey,

1071
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: you guys, there might be some validity here, but like,

1072
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 4: why didn't you go and get some other support from

1073
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 4: other people? So this feels like it's more of a

1074
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: player movement. Similarly, if it was all the Ukrainian players,

1075
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: men and women, you'd kind of be like, oh, this

1076
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: seems like it's a systematic issue as opposed to an

1077
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: individual grievance. Yeah, and I think that's kind of what

1078
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: both goes down to it to me, Yeah, and I

1079
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 4: mean it feels a little bit more individual grievance than

1080
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: it does maybe systematic problem that should be disolved through

1081
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: the court a lot.

1082
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean what I'm going to enjoy seeing is

1083
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: Sitzelina playing against Daria Kasakina and getting to shake her

1084
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: hand now because she represents Australia and that is indicative

1085
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: of Derek Kasakino, who clearly has spoken up against you know,

1086
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: the laws in Russia and Putin and feels a little

1087
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: bit but you know, some of these Russian players probably

1088
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: do feel very anti war and you but also at

1089
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: the same time, it's an independent contracting sport. They've made

1090
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: stipulations that clearly you can't come in with a Russian

1091
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: flag and all that sort of stuff. But these are

1092
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: individuals and yeah, you can have a word to them,

1093
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: and look, I just think I just think it's it's

1094
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: a shame. I feel sorry for her because clearly she's

1095
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: going through something and this is to spend the money

1096
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: she's going to have to spend to fight a lawsuit.

1097
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I don't think she's going to even remotely

1098
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 2: come close to winning. But you know, I feel sorry

1099
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: for Poorsha. Then you w t a c because she's

1100
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: coming the serious shit between Rebaccna and now this situation.

1101
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh my god.

1102
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 3: Well let's let's end the segment.

1103
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 4: While we're talking about Ukrainian players to give a big

1104
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 4: shout out to Ilinas Videlina, who won the title in Ruin. Yeah,

1105
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 4: against a very exciting young player in Oga Danielovich, who

1106
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: I think like she's always been a hard hitter and

1107
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 4: she's somebody who I think is like kind of exciting

1108
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 4: to watch because she's kind of a dynamic player. But

1109
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: she's getting better, she's getting closer, she's maturing. But alnas Fidilina,

1110
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: you know, at mid thirties, is still winning titles and

1111
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: getting to give victory speeches and shout out her.

1112
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 3: Beloved husband, who we all love.

1113
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: Guy.

1114
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm on FISTAA final, Like, that's awesome. That's a great outcome.

1115
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: No, she's so awesome.

1116
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: And it's just like another.

1117
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: Fun indicator of like tennis is being played all over

1118
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: the world and all sorts of interesting people places with

1119
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: great and interesting outcomes simultaneously. You know, Like yesterday I

1120
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 4: was trying to watch the finals and they were all

1121
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: on the same time, and I was like, Ah, which

1122
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: one of these?

1123
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: Ah, what are we.

1124
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: Doing on forty two TVs? You need to be that person.

1125
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: Going into a kind of a good problem.

1126
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: Now we've got a good bar across the street from

1127
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: me now called thirty love It. We should go check

1128
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: it out. Apparently they've got some booths. We'll check that out.

1129
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: But anyway, we do want to give a shout out

1130
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: to the teams that made the BCHK Cup finals. It's

1131
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: going to be in Shenzhen in September after the US Open,

1132
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: which frankly I think is better. I think it's a

1133
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: better time to have it right after the US seven

1134
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: November instead of November, because everyone is absolutely tapped and

1135
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: after the US Open. I've you know how I feel

1136
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: about this. I'm always like, let's just get rid of

1137
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: tournaments after the US Open, like the US Open.

1138
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: Should be and Sirri and Williams agree about that one.

1139
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: Hundred it should be the pun ultimate event and then

1140
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: it should be this is the way I would do it,

1141
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: the WTA finals and then Billy jan Kin Cup, like

1142
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: do it big time, you know, and have the home

1143
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: and away ties more to those.

1144
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 4: They should have it at the same time at the

1145
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: same venue tennis festival.

1146
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: That certainly could be possible. That certainly could be possible.

1147
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: Certainly, it's like they do Ncuba's.

1148
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 4: Not for basketball necessarily because it's only team, but like

1149
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 4: tennis sort of culminates like the team and the individual

1150
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: competition are.

1151
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: Like pretty condensed.

1152
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be an idea.

1153
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of times it's the same player.

1154
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: There's too many tournaments, there's too many they've played too late,

1155
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: and the w you know, the wt schedule finishes super late,

1156
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: as it does the ATP and then you have the

1157
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: Davis Cup and the BJK Cup are at the end,

1158
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: and it's just like, oh my god, everyone's like an indigo.

1159
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: I need to have a holiday because I got to

1160
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: be back in Australia in three weeks. So it's just

1161
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: like you know. Anyway, So the teams that qualified were

1162
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: a great Britain, Japan, Kazakhstan, Spain, Ukraine, so congrats to them.

1163
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 2: It can't be cool if they wanted, actually USA Italy

1164
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: because they are the defending champions, and of course the

1165
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: host nation is China, so they are in there as well,

1166
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: so there's some great There's gonna be some great matchups there. Unfortunately,

1167
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: the Old Aussie's lost to Kazakhstan in Australia because Ribakina

1168
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: went down there and played, so that was a big

1169
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: help for them. And so yeah, so some great teams

1170
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: are going.

1171
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: To be in the girl and I do really like

1172
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: to first BJK Cup. I've never been to a single match.

1173
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: I have been to Shenzen.

1174
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: I've been to Shenzen as well.

1175
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lived in China, so good to see that. Obviously,

1176
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: we want to see the support there and so the

1177
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: money for Billy Jean King Cup is so big, Like,

1178
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm really happy for them. And of course I'm not

1179
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 2: going to bitch about this because Billy won like two

1180
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: thousand dollars when she won Wimbledon singles. But they're winning

1181
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. It's crazy how much money they're winning

1182
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: at Bella Jean King Cup. Like, the team is making

1183
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: so much money and so good. I love to we

1184
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: should be Yeah, you know how I feel like that,

1185
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: But god damn, I played twenty two years to make sure.

1186
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: They didn't get that backed.

1187
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: I didn't get that prize money. So all these players

1188
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: should be out there busting their asks for their country

1189
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: because there's huge money on the line there.

1190
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: But anyway, anything that we're looking forward to, I'm going

1191
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 4: to look forward to watching Madrid, which is a Master's

1192
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: one thousand, and I'm going to use this opportunity to

1193
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 4: once again call for the cowards who run it to

1194
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 4: bring back the blue clay.

1195
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: No, it's too slippery. It was terrible.

1196
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: It was a beauty.

1197
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: I know it looked good, but it's one person. I

1198
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: do want to see how she's going to go over

1199
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. Is Coca Golf as well.

1200
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: She just kind of lost away a lot this year

1201
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: losing to Paulini.

1202
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 3: They we're going to add her to the worry index.

1203
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm adding her to the worry index a little bit,

1204
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: just because the serve and forehand again broke down against Pavolini.

1205
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 3: So it was fun to see Palini.

1206
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very fund to her back. She's got

1207
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: some serious points of defense finals Paris and finals of wimbled,

1208
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: and she has a new coach in her coaching box.

1209
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: It was fun to say Palini. But yes, Marcos, I

1210
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: can't have expected to win that match.

1211
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: Mark Lopez, Yeah, yeah, I was a little bit surprised there.

1212
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: Coca got up in the first set and then lost

1213
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: her serve and then again at four or five in

1214
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: the first set, down love fifteen. No big deal, right,

1215
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: it's four or five, love fifteen, No big deal. Double fault,

1216
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: double fault yep to go love forty and then missus

1217
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: a easy back end white by mile and I was like,

1218
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: what the hell is that? So, you know, technically pressure mental.

1219
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: As soon as the pressure really gets on her, the

1220
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: double faults, and that should not be happening indoors, and

1221
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: it should definitely not be happening on clay because on clay,

1222
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: you can get away with hitting an average serve because

1223
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: you can run the ball down better. So those things

1224
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: are a little bit of a concern. And you know

1225
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: the service motion. She gets on the front foot too early.

1226
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh god, I could go on forever about it, but

1227
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: I won't. There is a concern, Yeah, there is a concern.

1228
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: I would like to see her an eager playing against

1229
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: each other at the French at some point, maybe quarters

1230
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: of Semis, and see who can battle their their brain

1231
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: plak away the battle of the brain black. Yeah, but anyway,

1232
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: all right, guys, it's been a great couple of weeks.

1233
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: Spring is really here about the just preponderance and skill comments,

1234
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 4: it's still called here, although we had a couple of

1235
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 4: nice days.

1236
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about center coming back. I'm excited. I

1237
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 3: am runa, as you said, ascending back up into the

1238
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: Alcor's injuries. Okay, yeah, Alacrez is nursing. I'm going to

1239
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 3: give a shot out to bask because I love him.

1240
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: Silly backhand and it's silly whole.

1241
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: She's silly backhand. He's got beautiful back He's going to

1242
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: be sliced. Needs to work.

1243
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm.

1244
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: Sabalanc is still out there being crazy.

1245
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: Oh one last call out.

1246
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: Nike just fatably gets a lot of ship on this

1247
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 4: podcast because they've basically ignored tennis for what, like Kim

1248
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: Kardashian like get out here. But the Lilac Springtime Easter

1249
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: basket color that Sabilanca and Carlos Acaraz played in over

1250
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 4: the weekend.

1251
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: It looks so good on that red clay. Do you

1252
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: love it?

1253
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that looks great. I will say, I really like

1254
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: new Balances looks on Coco.

1255
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's They don't kill us, they don't mess with

1256
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: they don't miss And also I think on the men's side,

1257
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 4: Tommy Paul, they don't mess with him either. Yeah.

1258
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: They well, I mean both of them are beautiful attraction,

1259
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: which the great parties and the whole thing.

1260
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 3: But the god they're just succeed with their kits.

1261
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 4: They both almost always look phenomenal and even if they

1262
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: don't look their best, they look great. You know which

1263
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: I think we should all be so lucky is to

1264
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 4: walk out on to the court with a great kid

1265
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: shout look good, play.

1266
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: Good, because you know, if you don't look good, you

1267
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: can still play well. There are some players that do

1268
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: that really well, they will remain nameless.

1269
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 3: Thanks for joinings, Thanks for joining us, everybody.

1270
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week. Bye.