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Speaker 2: The World's a Vegetal podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to patre gets Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna argue with something I didn't I can't

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Speaker 3: argue with the things that I don't have the information.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it even me. Chism's targets from from

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Speaker 4: Saturday for Paul, and I'm just gonna text it too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if people are familiar with the movie

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Speaker 2: The Clockwork Orange in his eyes Open, that's what we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do, Paul. We're gonna make them watch all of

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Speaker 2: Chiss highlight reels.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean he threw a twenty yard out in the

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Speaker 4: game the other night. That's going around film Twitter. That's

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Speaker 4: just right, it's.

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Speaker 3: Going around the dock web. Momentum is only as good

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Speaker 3: as the next day starting picture like like, no, sorry,

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Speaker 3: when the betstop's one ten in a row, momentum has

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Speaker 3: something to do with that. That's a clutch drive. Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady goes down the field and says, now you just

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Speaker 3: can leave seventies games over again. At seventeen seven, I

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Speaker 3: look at Fred and say, that's game right.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. Where do you rank Chism in

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Speaker 2: terms of all time Patriots wheredy ranches and relative to

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Speaker 2: Stanley Morgan and Randy Wark, slightly lower Christians in La.

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Speaker 2: What nonsense? Today?

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Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 6: at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here. It's Deuce, Evan, Paul, Me,

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Speaker 6: Matt and Napooth. We're talking Patriots. We're getting closer to

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Speaker 6: that big day against the Raiders a week from this

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Speaker 6: coming Sunday.

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Speaker 7: So Max Crossby, Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 2: Crossby, and thankfully not Trey Hendrickson as well. Here he's

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Speaker 2: getting close. But anyway, I do digress. Today is the

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Speaker 2: deadline for cut day, so that's at four o'clock. You

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Speaker 2: know a lot of reports coming out around the league

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Speaker 2: teams cutting players early. This team made an announcement was

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Speaker 2: a Friday about a handful of players.

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Speaker 4: Fourteen of them and who were they?

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Speaker 3: Well, the big one for me, I get them for

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Speaker 3: the whole place.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just read it.

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Speaker 4: It's a long list.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The group on Friday was Jaheem Bell, Micah Bernard, Philip.

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Speaker 7: Is It bleedy glitty blitty blitty.

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Bolden, Zay Carle, Fotheringham, Phil Lutz, R. J. Moten,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Polk, Tyrese Robinson, city So, Shane Watts, Ben Wooldridge,

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Speaker 3: and Kyle Pico and Monty Ricey. That was the group

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Speaker 3: that was let go on Friday. Now there have been

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Speaker 3: some reports of guys that have been let go today.

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Speaker 3: They have been informed that they will be getting released,

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Speaker 3: but we have no official word in any of those.

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Speaker 2: We won't touch those yet. They'll be an official release

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Speaker 2: coming out from the Patriots somewhere around for thereafter. I

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Speaker 2: remember back in the day, and uh not the last regime,

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Speaker 2: but the regime before that, four o'clock would roll around

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Speaker 2: and it'd be nothing.

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Speaker 3: Crickets probably be eleven mill of lights deep.

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Speaker 2: I'd be lucky if by eight o'clock that night we'd

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Speaker 2: have a release. Yeah. I'm guessing with this regime it'll

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I hope.

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Speaker 9: So, I mean, I don't think there's a ton of

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Speaker 9: really hard decisions. I think, you know, some guys are

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Speaker 9: the team's going to be. Who are they going to

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Speaker 9: be the guys that contribute. Heard from Mike Rabel yesterday

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Speaker 9: saying guys are going to rotate, and I think that's

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Speaker 9: the case with a lot of teams right now early

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Speaker 2: Yep. I do want to talk about the last game

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Speaker 2: third stringers killed the Patriots third stringers. These are guys

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Speaker 2: on both teams that aren't going to be playing. Most

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Speaker 2: And when in the other games when the Patriots second

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Speaker 9: Some I think it's just a function of a new

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Speaker 9: Stefan digs of course. But I think it's hard to

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Speaker 9: to do. So I'd much rather be looking at it

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Speaker 9: this year this way than we did last year.

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Speaker 7: When you know, I think Paul Rightley pointed.

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Speaker 7: At those guys maybe through a slightly different light.

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Speaker 9: But at the same time, I think those guys were

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Speaker 9: But I look at this as you're going to return

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Speaker 9: So you're looking at a two year window with most

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Speaker 7: I would sell it which I might.

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Speaker 2: Be starters this year, might be bumped down next year

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Speaker 9: Right, absolutely, and then you look at some of the

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Speaker 7: So I would just watch next year for their ability.

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Speaker 9: To you know, we don't have to totally chase everything,

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Speaker 9: Could that be something the Patriots look at quarterback position

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Speaker 9: as bringing in a third guy now that I mean, that's.

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Speaker 2: One area where I think I would like, you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't know if anybody out there is really gonna go.

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Speaker 4: What am I going to say?

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Speaker 3: What can I What can I do? Some people you've

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Speaker 3: exasperated young Evan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the problem.

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Speaker 4: No, there's no problem.

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Speaker 1: This is a little bit of a problem.

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Speaker 4: Come on, No, this is not one that I need

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Speaker 4: to battle. I don't care that much about it.

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Speaker 2: You don't care about yeah, and I get no. No,

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Speaker 2: I just mean the Bailey's down right.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I do agree that your point.

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Speaker 4: I know, I do agree that it's a it's in need.

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Speaker 4: I do agree that there's depth issues at quarterback right now.

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if Bailey Zappi is the answer.

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just yeah.

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Speaker 3: Your point is to find the answer. But your point

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Speaker 3: I mean, for at least some competent it has just

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Speaker 2: And I think what I saw from just in that

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Speaker 4: And it's a similar offense. So he's running with Brian Dables,

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Speaker 4: But I think Dousa hit the nail on the head

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Speaker 4: with the roster depth. I think all of us had

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Speaker 4: I think we've talked about it a lot on our shows,

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Speaker 4: about the fact that, yeah, they turned over the top

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Speaker 4: But it's going to take more than one offseason to

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Speaker 4: completely flip the fifty three. And guys like Kyle Duggar,

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Speaker 4: Anthony Jennings, Jilani Tavai, they might not be in your

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Speaker 4: premature to move on from those players this season because

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Speaker 4: they are NFL players. So if you start gutting the

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Speaker 4: especially on defense, and then you're really turning it over

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Speaker 4: to depth players that frankly, I don't know our NFL players.

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Speaker 4: At least I know that if they have a rash

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Speaker 4: of injuries at safety, Kyle Dugger went right, is a

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Speaker 4: Anthony Jennings can play the role, can play the position

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Speaker 4: if they need to have him in there. So I'd

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Speaker 4: rather them hold their water a little bit on doing

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Speaker 4: that versus let's flip the entire roster in one offseason

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Speaker 4: and go into the year with a lot of unknown

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. I mean, if now depth is

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Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings and to buy and dother I know they

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Speaker 2: were a little bit overpriced to be but that's different.

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Speaker 2: But that's pretty.

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Speaker 3: Good I would. Yeah, but that's a different argument, and

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Speaker 3: I get your point. I don't think that the game

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Speaker 3: the week before it happened in the Minnesota game, when

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Speaker 2: That's why Milton Williams didn't have a lot of reps

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Speaker 2: So obvious that I think, at least on this show,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we've talked about it as much as

439
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 2: other shows, But it really does come down to Drake May,

440
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,639
Speaker 2: doesn't it, And it's all about his development.

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you want to do one of those

442
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 3: sort of worse to first meteoric rise, you can't do

443
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 3: that unless the quarterback play is at a much much

444
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 3: higher level. And that's how And I know it's it's

445
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 3: always case by case, but just look at all the

446
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 3: teams that you can think of that did that, and

447
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: it almost always involves a guy either coming into the

448
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 3: program and playing at a higher level or just making

449
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 3: a huge leap from one year to the next, you know,

450
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 3: like Stroud and Daniels. There's a million, million examples, but

451
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 3: those are the two most recent that come to mind.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, so all eyes are going to be on

453
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: him every game.

454
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Speaker 9: Every press comes with the position. I mean, he spoke

455
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 9: yesterday and I think he's saying all the right things.

456
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 9: I think he gets it, and it's I just everybody

457
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 9: needs to realize this is gonna be a process, you know,

458
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 9: like it's not gonna like we're not coming out of

459
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Speaker 9: the gate week one.

460
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Speaker 7: It'll give him a little bit of leeway.

461
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: And I know how this show is predicting thirteen wins

462
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 2: even eleven. You know, like my I've been steadfast and

463
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm staying I'm staying with it. Flora is six, Ceiling

464
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,719
Speaker 2: is ten. That's that's what I've been saying, and I

465
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: haven't seen anything yet to make me change that. Now

466
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 2: that's a pretty wide gap, and I think they're probably

467
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 2: going to end up somewhere in the middle, somewhere around eight.

468
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: But if they do that, I'll be happy. Something had

469
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 2: to have gone right compared to last year for them

470
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 2: to get to AID and I'll be okay with that.

471
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 2: If it's more than that, great, But again, we're not

472
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: just one year. We're two years in a row. For

473
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: win team. You know, it's gonna take some time, folks,

474
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: it really is.

475
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: I just wonder if they can win enough games and

476
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Speaker 4: show enough promise to make themselves more desirable for some

477
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 4: of the build up programs.

478
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Speaker 7: I feel like there's a program if Drake makes.

479
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: Playing well, okay, you're going to see the future.

480
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: Because it is it has been frustrated in the last

481
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 4: couple of years, and it does seem like they do

482
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 4: want to pay a wide receiver to come here to

483
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 4: play with Drake May, but it doesn't feel like any

484
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 4: of the wide receivers want to take their money. So

485
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 4: can you change that narrative? Can you change that perception

486
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 4: of the team so that next offseason, if they offer

487
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 4: Chris Godwin type player thirty thirty five million dollars, he

488
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 4: actually takes it of going back to Tampa Bay, or

489
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 4: Brandon Ayuk says don't trade for me, or Calvin Ridley

490
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 4: goes to Tennessee instead of coming here, like, it would

491
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 4: be nice to at least be able to change that

492
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 4: perception a little bit.

493
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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah, And that's why you just sort of

494
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: have to see it. But I would agree with Fred

495
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: on the surface, you know, if they were to win

496
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 3: eight games, it would be hard to believe for me

497
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: that that wasn't progress, that wasn't a sign of progress.

498
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 3: Now you're right, Like, you might look at it and

499
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: maybe they win a couple of ugly games against teams

500
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 3: that are not very good and Drake may doesn't look

501
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: great in winning them, and then you're like, they won,

502
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: but you might change your mind, you know, like the

503
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: twenty one, you know, ten and seven season, and you know,

504
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 3: they went to the playoffs and it was hard not

505
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 3: to be excited with a rookie quarterback. But somehow Cranky

506
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: Paul wasn't overly excited at the time because of the

507
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: way they won some of those games, you know, taking

508
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: advantage of massive injuries to a couple of teams and

509
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 3: winning a three to nothing game in ridiculous conditions, Like

510
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: it just didn't really seem like it was something that

511
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: was sustainable to me, and it wasn't. Yeah, so you

512
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 3: might see that and you might look at it, you know,

513
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: and say, well, I don't feel as good about the

514
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: eight wins as I thought I would feel, but I would.

515
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Speaker 4: Twenty two season like they were eight and nine and

516
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. And if you if you finished this

517
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 4: year eight and nine, you'd feel good. But that season

518
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 4: was the offense was already kind of falling apart at

519
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: that point, and it did not look like it was

520
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 4: headed in a good direction. So you can go eight

521
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 4: and nine in this league and still not feel great

522
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 4: about your team.

523
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if Rable all of a sudden decides

524
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: to make a defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator and all that stuff,

525
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: like there were conditions there.

526
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 3: Two games worse than you were the previous year, so

527
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Speaker 3: you won.

528
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 4: Some some bad football games that year in twenty twenty two,

529
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 4: like just rock fights.

530
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Speaker 9: I think though, with the inevitable injuries that happened, it

531
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 9: would really reflect well on this team if let's just

532
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 9: say no random example, like the right tackle goes down

533
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 9: and you need to have one of these youngsters get

534
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 9: in and play and look confident, or if you need

535
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 9: to turn to maybe a player like I mean we

536
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 9: keep saying Toby but Jennings, like you have to turn

537
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 9: to somebody who maybe you don't think ever quite got it,

538
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 9: but now he looks like he's playing well in this

539
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 9: system or playing well for these coaches.

540
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 7: You know, those little things.

541
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Speaker 9: I think what might be the details you have to

542
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 9: look for to get the full picture of the season,

543
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 9: where you know, yeah, they had some injuries, but man

544
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 9: Vederian Lowe had to fill in for Will Campbell for

545
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 9: two days and it wasn't a disaster like it was

546
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 9: last year.

547
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Speaker 7: And like those things, I.

548
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Speaker 9: Think little signs that they're building a program here. I

549
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 9: think that's to me what Evan's kind of getting at,

550
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 9: that there's a program here, there's a sense of who

551
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 9: this team's identity is and do you want to come

552
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 9: be a part of it. I felt that way about

553
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 9: Mike Frabele and Tennessee. He kind of had an identity there.

554
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 9: You knew what you were going to have to deal with.

555
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 9: Part of it was Derreck Henry, of course, but you know,

556
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 9: at the same time, those players emerge when you have

557
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 9: a good situation, and those become your stars.

558
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: That we I mean, there's one thing that we've learned,

559
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: and I say learn, but one thing that's been cemented

560
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: in the last few weeks is that they've just failed

561
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: in the drafting the last few years. And one of

562
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: the reasons we're in the situation we're in now is

563
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: because of that. And when you think about it, Drake

564
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: May being you know, the sole survivor of last last

565
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: year's draft, you know, possible.

566
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a couple other guys still around, right.

567
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 9: But Marcello style might have been in the main. I mean,

568
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 9: then they're not the star players that they needed. And

569
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 9: I mean every one of these draft misses from going

570
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 9: back to whatever you want to do eighteen, I mean,

571
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 9: every time you have one of these drafts where you

572
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 9: don't pull anything, it's another year you're going to pay

573
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 9: for it down the road.

574
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: And you don't have to have stars from every draft,

575
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: but you need contributors two, you know, three, maybe four

576
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: at the high end, contributors from every draft, and that

577
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: builds your foundation. Those are your guys that you're you're

578
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: building around, and then you're adding pieces through free agency

579
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: and subsequent drafts. You have to do that.

580
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: But I feel like what Deuce was saying about the program,

581
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: like it's only half the battle to identify the talent

582
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: in the draft. The other half of the battles developing

583
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 4: the talent and then being scheme fits and like all

584
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: that good stuff. So like you can go out there

585
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: and you can think that Jalen Polk is a really

586
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: good college player and he's a You scout him and

587
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 4: you think he's gonna be a good NFL pro, but

588
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: then he gets to the pros and he's in an

589
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 4: offense that doesn't really suit him, or he's in an

590
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: offense that doesn't have great coaching or great foundation to

591
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: it or anything, and that can derail a young player's career,

592
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: as it has in a lot of ways for Polk.

593
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that Polk would have been a

594
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 4: star if he was in a better situation, But it's

595
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: kind of hard to say, like was it the chicken

596
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: or was it the egg with the twenty twenty four draft,

597
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 4: because everything was in such a state of flux with

598
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: the entire program that I just don't know if any

599
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 4: of those guys really stood a chance. And I think

600
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 4: Drake May is so talented that he's kind of full

601
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: proof of this, Like he kind of just overcame it.

602
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: But you're not gonna if you're like a third or

603
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: fourth round pick, you're not going to overcome this kind

604
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: of coaching turnover and all this different stuff. So hopefully

605
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: like they get back to a place with Vrabel and

606
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: this staff where they can develop talent again.

607
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. You can't undervalue coaching in

608
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: the NFL like other sports. It's not half as important

609
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: as football. That's my opinion.

610
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: There's just so many examples of guys that we all

611
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: thought were going to be good coming out of college

612
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: and it just doesn't work for whatever reason. And a

613
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: lot of the times it's talent, but a lot of

614
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: the times it's also situation and the coaching that he

615
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 4: had and the scheme he was in and it just

616
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 4: doesn't click for him at this level. So you know,

617
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: look at Chaison, like if Chaison has a good year

618
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 4: with the Patriots, Like that's a former first round pick

619
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: that's kind of had some bad luck along the way

620
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: here with coaching changes and things like that. So maybe

621
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: it's just as simple for him as he's in the

622
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: right place at the right time now and he realizes that.

623
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 9: I found myself thinking a lot about last year's class

624
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 9: and just a lot of the same scouts and regime

625
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 9: that pick those players are still here. And I'm not

626
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 9: trying to get into like blame and all that, but

627
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 9: I just I wonder about the whole relationship of the

628
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 9: coaching staff saying these are the kind of players we

629
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 9: want or you know, does the scouting staff bring them

630
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 9: the players.

631
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: Say these are the guys who I think we'll just

632
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: touched on it. I can't I can't see it working

633
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: the other way. I think it has to start from

634
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: the head coach down where he sets the philosophy. He decides,

635
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: this is the type of football we want to play,

636
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: These are the type of players we need for each position,

637
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: and then he gives that menu to his scouting staff

638
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: and go find these players. I can't think. I can't

639
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: imagine it working the other way, where they're telling the

640
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: coach how to play. The coach has to tell them

641
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: how they want to play. And that was the beauty

642
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: of having Bill for all these years is like you

643
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: can argue about like he wasn't the greatest drafter throughout,

644
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: but like there was always that foundation, like the scoutings

645
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: knew how Bill wants. You know, this is a type

646
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: of safety he's looking right, this is the type of

647
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: linebacker he's looking for. And having that consistency helps, you know,

648
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: that's we need to get back to that. Well.

649
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: I think Rabel's that guy. Like Rabel, that's Elliot Wolf

650
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: has said that they were more organized this year in

651
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: the draft and a big reason why is that Rabel

652
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: has a vision of the type of players that he

653
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: wants them to draft. And I think, you know, a

654
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: big part of it is also Ryan Cowden and Stretch

655
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: being involved. But it just seems like they have types

656
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Speaker 4: now again. They have you know, scheme fits and guys

657
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: like this is our safety type, this is you know,

658
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: the body type a lot, and this is the skill

659
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: set that we want. And that's like last year's draft,

660
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Speaker 4: I just think even at the time in real time,

661
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 4: you were just kind of wondering, like, who does this

662
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: player fit? Like they were drafting you know, big power

663
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: guards to play in an outside zone scheme and it's like,

664
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Speaker 4: so were you drafting based off of what they were

665
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: doing in the past and you just didn't have the time.

666
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: He didn't feel like to kind of uproot the system

667
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: and change it on the fly. So like Leyden Robinson,

668
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: you know, isn't going to be on this team anymore,

669
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Speaker 4: you know, as a draft pick from last year, I

670
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: never really understood the scheme with Leyden Robinson, like they

671
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: were going to run a West Coast offense, They're gonna

672
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Speaker 4: be outside zone, and then they've drafted a power guard

673
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: to play in that offense, and it just didn't really

674
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: fit to begin with. And when you're drafting at that

675
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: area of the draft, third, fourth, fifth round, you're not

676
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: getting start Like, that's not where you're expecting to get

677
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: stars that are scheme proof. That's where you're expecting to

678
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: get depth and guys that fit what you're trying to do, right,

679
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: So I just I think it's a big difference when

680
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 4: you have a guy like Rabel that's saying, this is

681
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do, you know, in all all walks

682
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Speaker 4: of it, in all position groups.

683
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Speaker 7: That's I was just gonna say, sorry for that's what

684
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Speaker 7: a DNA might say.

685
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Speaker 9: And you, I think you're right, like you need to

686
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Speaker 9: hit on those draft picks at least to have that base.

687
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Speaker 9: But I would say every two years you need to

688
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 9: find a star player. But every two years there needs

689
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 9: to be someone somewhere that come and can play above expectations.

690
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 9: And if you don't do that, you don't start to

691
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 9: those of the guys you have to hit in the.

692
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Speaker 4: First Oddly they have hit in the first round, like

693
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez was a hit. I think Drake May we

694
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: we think is going to be a hit. So in

695
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: a way that they have hit in the first round

696
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years. I mean, Gonzales, All

697
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: Pro player like that, that was one of Bill's best

698
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: draft picks at the end. So it's weird. It's like

699
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: they actually have hit in the first round the last

700
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 4: couple of years. It's been the rest of the drafts

701
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: that have looked like disasters.

702
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Speaker 2: Paul looks like he's holding something in no, no, okay, And.

703
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: You guys are all right, yeah, I mean you guys

704
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: yelling me when I dominate the comtry, I hear a

705
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 3: lot of I.

706
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: Hear a lot of people, you know, criticizing Elliott Wolf. Well,

707
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: you know, the common factor in all these drafts is

708
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Speaker 2: Elliot Wolf. But I firmly believe that he's following orders

709
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: from above and.

710
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Speaker 3: And that might be one little thing that I was holding. Okay,

711
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 3: might might you might have uncovered.

712
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, we'll see, we'll see what

713
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: happens with that situation. But like if if you don't

714
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: have that, you know, I don't know, buttoned up you know,

715
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: philosophy of here's the type of team, here's the type

716
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: of football we want to play. It makes it tough

717
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: on your talent evaluators. What am I evaluating for?

718
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 7: Right, you know?

719
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Speaker 9: And that's why I need to end this year feeling

720
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 9: positive about the draft picks. I mean, I think to

721
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 9: Paul's point, last year, you ended last year you didn't

722
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 9: feel great about them. I mean, maybe we felt had

723
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 9: some positivity going into the season, and maybe came the season.

724
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Speaker 3: People were over the top. It was a bang of

725
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: a draft class. I'm already seeing now people are tweeting

726
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: that it looks like all the draft picks are going

727
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: to make it. I don't think that that will be

728
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: the case because I think we haven't found out. I

729
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: think there's still like another half dozen or so guys

730
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: to get cut. But that to me, doesn't make it

731
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Speaker 3: a good draft class. No, if all your rookies make it,

732
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: that's to me. That's especially when you have no baseline,

733
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Speaker 3: And it.

734
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Speaker 2: Also could be an indication of where the status of

735
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: your team now if everybody's making it, Like.

736
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Speaker 3: If you have four guys that start or that play

737
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: key roles and they play well, then that's a good

738
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Speaker 3: draft class. Right Like, I don't care if you know,

739
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Speaker 3: all these guys end up making it. Initially, first of all,

740
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Speaker 3: it's a little deceiving too. You have a kicker and

741
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: a long snapper. I mean, they gotta make it. Those

742
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: guys are gonna make it. But you know what, what

743
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: is I go back to, like right at the top,

744
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: if Will Campbell is just a tackle, is that a

745
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 3: great draft class? Or if he's like a pro Bowl player? Okay,

746
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: now you know you get him and you get Henderson's

747
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: it looks like a playmaker. Kyle Williams. We really don't

748
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: know yet about Kyle Williams. We haven't really seen a

749
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: ton from him. But if he's contributing in like you

750
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: remember Malcolm Mitchell as a as a rookie, you know, like, Okay,

751
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: there's one, two, three, first three rounds, right, you got

752
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: contributing players that are playing at a pretty good level.

753
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: That's a good draft class.

754
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Speaker 4: And it looks like Woodson is going to be a

755
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: contributor to Yeah.

756
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: I think he's playing. I put him in the second category,

757
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: like I expect him to be playing. I don't know

758
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: how well we'll play. I haven't seen anything from him

759
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: a summer.

760
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: He does a lot of things on the back end.

761
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: You know, things that I don't see.

762
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Speaker 2: But you're not a ballmer, Paul.

763
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: But that wasn't That wasn't for him. That was just

764
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: in general. It's like that's what they're selling, So I'm

765
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: not buying everything that they're selling. Let's put it that way.

766
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: A little cya going on with Elliott Wolfe.

767
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Speaker 4: I don't think that, I hear you, like, I don't

768
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: think Craig Woodson's going to be an impact player on

769
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: the ball, right, But I think he's going to be.

770
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Speaker 4: He's going to be in the ripe spots and he's

771
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 4: going to be positionally sound. He's going to cover ground

772
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: back there, and he's going to do the things that

773
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Speaker 4: they ask him to do. I just like Harmon, Sure,

774
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: like Deron Harmon, Like I is he going to be

775
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 4: Earl Thomas and have a bunch of interceptions and plays

776
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 4: on the football. Probably not. But do you need those

777
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: types of guys?

778
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Speaker 2: Not everyone can be.

779
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: I don't need Devin McCarty types. If you're going to

780
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: be that guy, you're not going to be. But if

781
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: you're not going to necessarily be that. But he wasn't

782
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: really a Pro Bowl safety. He was more of a

783
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl early in his career. If if you're going

784
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: to be like a non playmaker back there you're just

785
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: going to always be in the right spot. Yeah, I

786
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: want I want Devin mccordy.

787
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all did we all do?

788
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

789
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, I want you to be like that. Like

790
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: to Evans's point, like there's things that Devin mccordy did

791
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: that you didn't always notice, but he was always.

792
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: You noticed it when he wasn't on the field right.

793
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: And I noticed that they almost never gave up those

794
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 3: over the top kind of place. Yeah, if that's what's

795
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: happening with Craig Woodson, then I'll gladly sit here and say,

796
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: well he's that kind of a player.

797
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: Okay, eight five five Pats five hundred is the hot line.

798
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Speaker 3: I haven't seen that in the preseason game or in

799
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: the practice.

800
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Speaker 2: It's hard to see anything in the preseason.

801
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: I watched practice, though I can see a lot.

802
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: Podcast at Patriots dot Com is the email address. Let's

803
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: get to the phones. Remember we're going to be talking

804
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: to Gary Myers in the second half of the show.

805
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Speaker 3: What's that I'm just talking to having over here? We're

806
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: having about you pointed at me, So remind me of

807
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: that line, what line about? Yeah, it's hard to see

808
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 3: anything in the press, it is it is. I don't

809
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: know what she's something.

810
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: You know, during the Brady years receiver rarely did they

811
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Speaker 2: have a winning preseason, even when they were at four games.

812
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Speaker 3: We're not talking about wins and losses. We're talking about

813
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: the personal.

814
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like, how many times during the Brady

815
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: years we'd watch a preseason game. Boy, are twos and

816
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: threes aren't as good as their twos and threes? Right?

817
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: We said that a lot.

818
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure I did. I don't know we did. I

819
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: don't really. I haven't really cared about the preseason in

820
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Speaker 3: all long.

821
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's my point.

822
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 3: Twenty five years, that's my point.

823
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: Maybe they've cared about it a little longer.

824
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Speaker 2: Billy's if you talk about joint practices, I think that's

825
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: more valid. Uh, Billy's in Rentham. What's up, Billy Hey,

826
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: Billy Hey?

827
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Speaker 3: Yes, turn it up.

828
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Speaker 10: Matt he is? Is he an IR guy? Or he

829
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 10: fifty three main guy? A practice quad or.

830
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: Carel Jennings?

831
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 9: No? No, yeah, he got he got hurt, and we

832
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 9: haven't really seen much of him, so I'm not sure

833
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 9: where that puts him right now. But I liked him

834
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 9: last summer. I saw more of them last summer. He

835
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 9: never really jumped out to me this year like he

836
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 9: did last year. He kind of ran hard last year.

837
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Speaker 9: But yeah, he's a big question mark for me. I

838
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 9: wouldn't be surprised to see him sick on the practice squad,

839
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Speaker 9: but I don't.

840
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Speaker 7: I haven't seen.

841
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 9: Anything to think that he's going to push for fifty

842
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 9: three spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys probably practice squads though,

843
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 9: I think.

844
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: Yeah I did. Did they keep four running backs? I

845
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: think is one thing that was sort of circled on

846
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 4: my because I think Gleann Larrison was going to make

847
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: the team field stayed healthy, My guy, yeah, got hurt.

848
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: I think he was going to make the team. So

849
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: do they have to do they pivot to a different

850
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: running back? I think there's reports out there that it's

851
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: not going to be hasty that Tasty was was released.

852
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: So and certainly to Billy's point, if Terrell Jennings is

853
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: on the fifty three man roster, I think Evan's right,

854
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: that was a sign that land Larrison probably would have

855
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: made the team. Now if they stick with three, then

856
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

857
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: Let's go to Christian. He's going to behave today. Christian

858
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: in La, what's up? Oh, what's going on over there?

859
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: What are you doing? I can't hear you. It's hard.

860
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: Are you better?

861
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: Now?

862
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 10: You better? Now?

863
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: We keep talking, keep talking of all.

864
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 10: Bradberry thing, but wait instead of sitting in reserve.

865
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Speaker 2: It's hard to hear you. Sorry, Christian, You've got a

866
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: bad connection.

867
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Speaker 3: It's calling from an uber that car from underwater.

868
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard.

869
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: Something about Bradberry. I heard that.

870
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

871
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: Bradberry's on the team and he's gonna be the starting

872
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: center and we're gonna.

873
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 7: See how it goes and you will like it.

874
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: That's the Bradbury analysis. Like he's gonna play, he's gonna start.

875
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: If it goes poorly, I think it could get interesting.

876
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: Maybe Ben Brown goes into the starting lineup, maybe Jared

877
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: Wilson bumps over the center and something like that.

878
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: But they're gonna roll with Bradbury for now, all right,

879
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: Brentson Reno, Hey, Brent.

880
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, you're talking about draft classes.

881
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 11: I'm want to shout out to the boss man Frey

882
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 11: Kurs for Ironhawks Audio getting shop.

883
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 10: Well, love it great, pick. I would like to you

884
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 10: and I'll take this off the air. Can you guys

885
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 10: throw down? On Madden rating for what you like, see

886
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 10: this team as right.

887
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: Now, throw out a Madden rating for every team? Is

888
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 2: that what you said?

889
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: Just a Patriots like the overall team Madden rating or

890
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: like player Madden rating?

891
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like, I mean, do you think that we're like

892
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 10: sitting in the seventies.

893
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 2: I couldn't even know what that means.

894
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 4: I like, so I don't know each team, all thirty

895
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 4: two teams gets an overall grade.

896
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: From matter what's high? Who's high?

897
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: Like ninety nine is the high?

898
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: Ninety nine is high? Does anyone happen ninety nine?

899
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 7: No?

900
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: Okay, now what's the highest team?

901
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 4: Probably in the high nineties. But ninety nine to ninety

902
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 4: nine club is like a player thing. But that's like

903
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: the four or five best players in the NFL get

904
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 4: rated ninety nine. I think this year it's Lamar, Josh, Allen, Miles, Garrett. Yeah,

905
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 4: so what if you're an win team, usually probably like

906
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 4: seventy eight.

907
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what it is.

908
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: You're going to put an exact number for you? Yeah,

909
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 4: usually I will, like for what it's worth, like Madden.

910
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: Typically they don't. They're kind of polite about it, like

911
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: their scale is not like it's not like, you know,

912
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: the team they think is going to pick number one

913
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: overall is like a forty, and then like the team

914
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: they think that's gonna win the Super Bowl is like

915
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: a ninety eight. Right, It's usually like the team that

916
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: they think are the worst in the league, girl, like

917
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: a seventy. You know, they're kind of nice about it.

918
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 4: So that's Madden. There's your Maden minute.

919
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 7: My son kills me in mad and it's so frustrated.

920
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 4: That's embarrassing.

921
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 7: Kills me.

922
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 9: And I'm like trying to run like plays and stuff,

923
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 9: and he just knows how to work the controller and

924
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 9: get go to the guy that he needs to get

925
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 9: and like picks off every pass.

926
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: Half the battle is learning the Controller's like learning to

927
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: do without looking at it.

928
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 9: You know, I'm getting all cocky. I'm like, oh, I'm

929
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 9: gonna hit you with the blitz right here, and he's

930
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 9: just like touchdown.

931
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah No, that's like second not being having to look

932
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: at the controllers like second nature for us.

933
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 9: Like that's like, no, whenever I throw a pass, he

934
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 9: switches to the cornerback and he breaks on it and

935
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 9: like picks it off every single time.

936
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: Like I can't.

937
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 7: Guys can't get open.

938
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: Control, because if you could, if you could operate a

939
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: controller like you do a remote, unbeatable.

940
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: I was not very good at Madden. My kids showed

941
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: me how to play like enough to get a playoff,

942
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: and then they just like destroyed it. I would They're

943
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: just going to keep fifteen years ago, like I.

944
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 4: Remember the Titans.

945
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 12: You know.

946
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 4: He says that we run the same three plays. It's like, no, okay,

947
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: we just keep running them. That's Madden. Like you can't

948
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: if you're going in there and you're trying to like

949
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: scroll through the pages and all these playbooks like all

950
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: this stuff. No, what you gotta do is you got

951
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 4: to find like the one team that you really like

952
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 4: playing with, and then find like two or three plays

953
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 4: that really work with that offense. Like for me, it was,

954
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: you know, Gronk on the corner route and you have

955
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: like Veren or White releasing into the flat and you'd

956
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: high low the defender out there, and you just like

957
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: it would just grind, it would just kill. And like

958
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: I could run that play one hundred times in a

959
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: row and nobody could stop it because the.

960
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: Computer got the defense spinning and never and if you

961
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: run the.

962
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: Ball and Madden are you punt and Madden yourf Don't

963
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: do that? Yeah, don't do that.

964
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: That's it. That's that's that's a little bit more than

965
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: a Madden minute right there.

966
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: You Mike would give up the all in three downs

967
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 2: just so we could go back to play.

968
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 9: Now.

969
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 7: I love I love you know.

970
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: It's just like people that you played in that it's

971
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: like fourth down and they're like, we're gonna play field

972
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: position here. It's like, what are you doing? It's a

973
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: video game.

974
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: David Bethlehem would like an autopsy of the twenty twenty

975
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: drafts where the traite priority pour? Did scouts mess up?

976
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: Did Belichick ignore input?

977
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 12: Why?

978
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty?

979
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 7: The twenty twenties, Oh yeah, twenty twenty, So.

980
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: Why were they so bad?

981
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: There's a lot to unpacked.

982
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the autopsy?

983
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: I mean, there's probably no simple answer. But I do

984
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: feel Bill like the whole notion of identifying the players

985
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: you want and that that fit you. I think part

986
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: of the problem was that those guys were no longer

987
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: as effective in the in the current game. He's looking for,

988
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: you know, bigger guys to be stout in two gap

989
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: and a lot of other team teams are sort of

990
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: transitioning to smaller, quicker, you know, more athletic deep defenders,

991
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: and at the same time you're looking to exploit those

992
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: guys a little bit on offense.

993
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 12: You know.

994
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: The playmaker thing. I mean, it speaks for itself with

995
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: Belichick's drafts, like when was the last like real playmaker

996
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: he was able to acquire?

997
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 8: Fred Gary is ready to go.

998
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well listen, we won't make them hold on. Gary.

999
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: Myers is on the line, and Gary is coming out

1000
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: on September sixteenth with Brady versus Belichick. I've got that

1001
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: right here. I've read it, Paul has read it. Gary.

1002
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1003
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 8: How you doing, guys, Thanks for having me on.

1004
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 2: It's Paul Pirello, Evan Lazarre, Mike Dusseau, myself, Fred Kirsch.

1005
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations on the book.

1006
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 8: Thanks a lot. It was It was really a lot

1007
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 8: of fun to research and write it.

1008
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 13: And you know, I've told people that, you know, although

1009
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 13: I was working in New York all those years, I

1010
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 13: cover an awful lot of Patriots games, so I felt

1011
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 13: like I'd lived through the whole twenty years like people

1012
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 13: in New England did, and met a lot of people

1013
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 13: made a lot of contexts and you know, hopefully put

1014
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 13: together a book that people will enjoy reading.

1015
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: So a lot of these books, these retrospective books, you know,

1016
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: we go in hoping to learn new things, which even

1017
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: I've been with the team for over thirty years, I

1018
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: think I learned some new things. And we can get

1019
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: into that in a little bit. But what did you

1020
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: learn in the process of writing this book.

1021
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 13: That's a good question. Let me think about that one

1022
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 13: for one second. I think the thing that really stood

1023
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 13: out to me was that people have tended to forget

1024
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 13: with Belichick's influence was on Brady early in his career,

1025
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 13: because it surely seemed over the last ten years of

1026
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 13: the dynasty, and I think it's you know, two distinct

1027
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 13: ten year dynasties in which they won three Super Bowls

1028
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 13: in each of the ten years. But I think in

1029
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 13: the last ten years it was clearly Brady's team, and

1030
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 13: he was a dominant contributor and personality of the team.

1031
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 13: But you know, early on, like I said, I think

1032
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 13: when people are starting to evaluate the twenty years together,

1033
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 13: they're forgetting that Tom was a six round pick and

1034
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 13: he hadn't gotten drafted by Belichick. Hem and not have

1035
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 13: been drafted, and Bill kept him as a fourth string quarterback.

1036
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 8: And then the following year.

1037
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 13: Everybody knows that Bledsoe got hurt and he was ready

1038
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 13: to come back two months later, and Bill kept and

1039
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 13: stuck with Tom. And I think Belichick deserves a lot

1040
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 13: of credit for all those things I just mentioned, but

1041
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 13: I think it kind of gets lost.

1042
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 8: In the overall evaluation of the Patriots accomplishments.

1043
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 13: And I think that's that's what I really took out

1044
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 13: of this, is that with all people I spoke with,

1045
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 13: it's oh, you know, the ones who said it was

1046
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 13: clearly Tom and I used to play devil's advocate for

1047
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 13: a little bit, you know, I was saying, well, what

1048
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 13: about this and what about that? And how it all

1049
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 13: got started? And you know, doesn't Belichick deserve credit for that?

1050
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 13: And you, oh, yeah, you know, we've kind of forgot

1051
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 13: about that stuff. So I think, again, the overall big

1052
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 13: picture tends to overshadow the early years of the Brady

1053
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 13: Belichick relationship.

1054
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned you talked to you know, you had

1055
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: a lot of interviews in this book, and you talk

1056
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 3: to a lot of different people. Did anybody I assume

1057
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: that some of these people you didn't really have much

1058
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: of a relationship beforehand. Did anybody really stick out to

1059
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 3: you as being really insightful in terms of their analysis?

1060
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 8: Absolutely.

1061
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 13: And I'm going to give you a name, and you're

1062
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 13: going to say, how did you not know that? But

1063
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 13: I didn't really know Devin mccordy before I sat down

1064
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 13: with him. I had breakfast with him one morning in

1065
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 13: New Jersey, uh, you know, a year and a half

1066
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 13: ago whatever, And I had heard from uh, you know,

1067
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 13: Aaron Salkin and the Patriots PR Department. When I was

1068
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 13: asking him for his recommendations on some guys that I

1069
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 13: didn't know, you know, who would be good for me

1070
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 13: to get to get together with.

1071
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 8: He said that Devon was at the top of his list.

1072
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 13: And I'd come away blown away by what a great

1073
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 13: guy he was and how smart he was and insightful.

1074
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 8: And I think Aaron even underestimated Devin.

1075
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 13: He's one of the I've gotten to know him really

1076
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 13: well in the time since I interviewed him, and we've

1077
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 13: gotten together a few times, you know, all in the

1078
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 13: forty years I've covered the league.

1079
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 8: I mean, I put him in my top.

1080
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 13: Five of guys that I really really like a lot,

1081
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 13: and he's just a great guy and he's really smart,

1082
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 13: and I'm not surprised he's doing so well on television

1083
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 13: and you know, on top of a lot, obviously he

1084
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 13: was a great player.

1085
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 8: Voted a captain in only his second year is pretty

1086
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 8: unusual for a team that was, you know, filled with veterans.

1087
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1088
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm sure you know that he and I are

1089
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: colleagues on the paper the Patriots preseason games. So yeah,

1090
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: Devn and I are pretty tight. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

1091
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 8: I mean you're lucky because I really enjoy him a lot.

1092
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: He's great.

1093
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: One of the things I learned Gary, and you know,

1094
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to give away your conclusion. Let people

1095
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: read it and read that for themselves. But one of

1096
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: the things I learned, I don't I didn't know that

1097
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: when Parcels, when Kraft bought the team, that Parcels had

1098
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: asked if maybe Tim Mahra could be hired as sort

1099
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: of a go between what like, I had no idea

1100
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: about that.

1101
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 13: Yeah, it wasn't so much to be hired. He wanted

1102
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 13: to craft to sell one percent of the team to

1103
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 13: Tim Mahra. You know, Tim was Bill's confident with the Giants.

1104
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 13: Now Bill had a great relationship with Willing Timara, but

1105
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 13: he was really close to Tim Marhra and he felt

1106
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 13: that Tim could be kind of the buffer between him

1107
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 13: and Craft and suggested to him. I don't know how

1108
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 13: deep into the Craft ownership that happened, but it wasn't

1109
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 13: very long that he went to Craft and said, you know,

1110
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 13: I got this great idea. You know, why don't you

1111
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 13: sell one percent to Tim Mayer. You know, he's my guy,

1112
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 13: and then we can communicate through him. And Kraft goes, no,

1113
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 13: I'm not doing that. I don't want anybody between you

1114
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 13: and me. I want us to have that kind of relationship.

1115
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 13: And Bill just never embraced Craft, which you guys know

1116
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 13: because after four years the relationship kind of disintegrated and

1117
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 13: Bill was gone. But I think that's something they both

1118
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 13: come to regret. But just the fact that Bill wanted

1119
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 13: to bring in his own guy into ownership tells you

1120
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 13: all you need to know about how Bill felt about

1121
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 13: Craft in the early years.

1122
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: I wanted to stick on the Parcels thing because one

1123
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: of the things that stood out to me when reading

1124
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: it was the story of when Parcels originally left the Giants,

1125
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: and you had sort of explained how, and I remember,

1126
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: you know, so what, I was just out of college

1127
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: when this happened, and I sort of remember, but I

1128
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: wasn't in the business yet or anything like that, so

1129
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: I didn't know all the details. I always felt Parcels

1130
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: left the Giants late, you know, when he stepped down,

1131
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 3: and it was after Belichick had already accepted the Cleveland job,

1132
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: and I kind of took that out as well. He

1133
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: obviously didn't want Belichick to replace him. But you sort

1134
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: of explained how George Young had always said that Belichick

1135
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 3: would never be the Giants head coach.

1136
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, Parcels towards the end of the nineteen

1137
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 13: ninety season went to George Young and said, do you

1138
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 13: want me to do everything I can to keep Belichick

1139
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 13: and or Tom Coughlin because you know, Tom then went

1140
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 13: to Boston College and stayed the rest of the season

1141
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 13: with the Giants, and Belichick got hired, you know, quickly

1142
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 13: after the Giants beat the Bills in a Super Bowl,

1143
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 13: and George told him.

1144
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 8: No, let him both go if they want to go.

1145
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 13: And Bill goes, but I'm not sure what I'm doing

1146
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 13: next year, And George said, no, that's okay, and that's

1147
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 13: because he had Ray Hanley in mind, the running back

1148
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 13: coach that nobody ever really knew much about. But he

1149
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 13: was very similar to George. You know, they're both very

1150
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 13: you know, professorial types that would say kind of eggheads,

1151
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 13: and George felt he was.

1152
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 8: Ray Hanley was a kindred spirit. Although nobody had any idea.

1153
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 13: That he did anything for the Giants other than he

1154
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 13: was really helpful of parcels in the game management because

1155
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 13: he was a card counter in Vegas and he actually

1156
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 13: got thrown out of Vegas to doing that. So he's

1157
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 13: great with numbers and so managing the clock in the

1158
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 13: last few minutes of the game, it was it came

1159
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 13: naturally to him and that was his biggest contribution. So

1160
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 13: when Belichick left, you know, Kaflan had already decided to

1161
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 13: leave to go to BC, and then Bill didn't leave

1162
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 13: until the end in the middle of May.

1163
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 8: A lot of people thought that Bill did it to.

1164
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 13: Screw over the Giants because he enjoyed didn't get along.

1165
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 13: And that goes back to after bill S first season,

1166
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 13: he was three twelve and one and George would have

1167
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 13: hired Howard Schnellenberger to replace him, except Snollenburger turned it down.

1168
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 13: Bill found out about it through Al Davis, who found

1169
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 13: out about it through Jimmy the Greek and.

1170
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 8: So Parcels always resented George.

1171
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 13: After that, and I think that had something to do

1172
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 13: with the fact that Belichick and George never got along.

1173
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 13: So Belichick was never going to be the coach of

1174
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 13: the Giants, I mean, taking the Cleveland job.

1175
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 8: If he wanted.

1176
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 13: I'm not even sure he would have survived the change

1177
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 13: over to the staff to Ray Hanley, not that he

1178
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 13: would have wanted to, but if he didn't get the

1179
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 13: Cleveland job, I'm not sure where Bill would have been

1180
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 13: coaching in nineteen ninety one.

1181
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1182
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: The other thing I think I learned. I'm not sure

1183
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: I knew this, but maybe I forgot. But you write

1184
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: that the day that Brady went over to tell Kraft

1185
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: that you know this is it, I'm leaving that he

1186
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: already had the Tampa Bajor. He had already decided that

1187
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: he was going to the BUX. I don't think I

1188
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: knew that.

1189
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that.

1190
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 13: Well, First of all, there weren't that many teams that

1191
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 13: were going after Brady. If you remember, the Raiders were

1192
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 13: somewhat interested, but Gruden put the kebash on that. Tom

1193
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 13: actually said a couple of months ago that Chicago was

1194
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 13: a possibility.

1195
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 8: But Tampa was his hand picked spot.

1196
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 13: Again, it wasn't like he had twenty teams after him,

1197
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 13: and he had studied the roster and there was some

1198
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 13: pieces in place in the front office there he's familiar with,

1199
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 13: and they had a really good team. I mean they

1200
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 13: were seven or nine in twenty nineteen with James Winston

1201
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 13: throwing thirty interceptions to go along with thirty three touchdowns.

1202
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 8: So it was clear they had a good team.

1203
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 13: I think went seven games with a quarterback throwing thirty interceptions.

1204
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 13: So he knew that it was a spot and it

1205
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 13: was only a couple of days later that they made

1206
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 13: it efficient.

1207
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got I got a question, how ahead, Mike, Hey, Gary,

1208
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 9: you know you've written about the forty nine Ers, the Cowboys,

1209
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 9: some of these other dynasties. Do we only look at

1210
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 9: this Patriots dynasty as Belichick first Brady? Was there an

1211
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 9: element of you know, Bill wash Montana or Staback you

1212
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 9: know in Landry.

1213
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 7: Do do we only look at this relationship on the

1214
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 7: Patriots uniquely this way?

1215
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: Meaning when we look at the like who was more

1216
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: like like, are there debates about who was more? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1217
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 8: Well I think with the Niners, you know, there was.

1218
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 13: Uh, you know, Walsh and Montana won three Super Bowls together,

1219
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 13: but then the year after Walsh retired, Montana led the

1220
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 13: Niners to another super Bowl with George Seffert, and that was,

1221
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 13: you know, was one of the two or three of

1222
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 13: the better teams that the Niners had. If I think

1223
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 13: the reason that were kind of fixated on this somewhat

1224
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 13: is because it was it was six championships together. Wals

1225
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 13: in Montana was three, Landry and Starback was two, and

1226
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 13: they also lost a couple of Super Bowls together. The

1227
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 13: fact that Brady and Belichick was six and three, you know,

1228
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 13: far two more super Bowl championships than Nolan. Brats are

1229
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 13: one and two more than Montana one, and like I mentioned,

1230
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 13: three of those were with Walsh. I think that, like

1231
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 13: the body of work almost begs the question, and because

1232
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 13: it also lasted twenty years, it begs the question of

1233
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 13: which one of these two is more was more responsible?

1234
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 8: And when when you think that Belichick is, you.

1235
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 13: Know, arguably the best coaching NFL history and Brady is

1236
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 13: inarguably the greatest quarterback in the NFL history. It's such

1237
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 13: a unique circumstance when you have guys who were, you know,

1238
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 13: at the very top of what they did, and they

1239
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 13: did it together. I think it's only natural to try

1240
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 13: to figure out which one was more responsible.

1241
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: And despite all that, Gary, who did Jimmy Garoppolo say

1242
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: it was responsible?

1243
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 12: Right?

1244
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 8: Yeah? I mean that was That's one of the best

1245
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 8: quotes to have in the book.

1246
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 13: When I asked Jimmy that question and he said it

1247
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 13: was craft basically because he was putting out fires all

1248
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 13: the time. I didn't use this quote that Jimmy says,

1249
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 13: you know, one day, we'll get together for a beer

1250
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 13: and I'll tell you all the inside stuff. I can't

1251
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 13: tell you how many times I've heard that from players

1252
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 13: and coaches. You know, just give me a few years

1253
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 13: when I'm out of the game, and I'll tell you

1254
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 13: all the good stuff.

1255
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: Right.

1256
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 8: Well, that's a retire they say, Now I still can't

1257
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 8: tell you that.

1258
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Gary is like, you know, people say,

1259
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, why did the Patriots dynasty break up? You

1260
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: know what, what was the I think the real question

1261
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: is how did they keep it together for twenty years?

1262
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: Because you talk to guys like Jimmy Johnson, and you know,

1263
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: once you start winning, everyone's got their handout and the

1264
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,479
Speaker 2: entitlement that goes on in any organization from the top down.

1265
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: But to keep together for twenty years, I think Craft

1266
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: did have a lot to do with that in terms

1267
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: of whether it's putting out fires or just mending fences

1268
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: between Belichick and Brady.

1269
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 10: And all that.

1270
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: So I can understand where Garoppolo is coming from when

1271
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: he says that absolutely.

1272
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 8: I think that's the.

1273
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 13: Understated contribution of the dynasty is Robert Crafts role in it.

1274
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 13: You know, besides all the market he's a great businessman,

1275
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 13: as you all know, and he bought a franchise for

1276
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 13: about two hundred million dollars that's probably worth close to

1277
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 13: ten billion now. But a lot of it has to,

1278
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 13: you know, be attributed to Belichick because the winning is

1279
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 13: would increase the value of the team. I think Craft

1280
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 13: did a lot, especially the last ten years, to keep

1281
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 13: things together and to try to patch things up and

1282
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 13: smooth things over between Craft and Belichick because you know,

1283
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 13: I mean between Brady and Belichick, the more you win,

1284
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 13: the harder it is to stay together. Al Davis always

1285
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 13: told Parcells ten years as the max you can coach

1286
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 13: in one place because your audience starts turning a.

1287
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 8: Deaf ear to what your message is.

1288
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: Now.

1289
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 13: I think that's changed over the years because of free agency,

1290
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 13: because there's a thirty percent roster turnover on the average

1291
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 13: team every year, so you have a new audience every year.

1292
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 13: But for them to stay as long together as long

1293
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 13: as they did was remarkable, and for it to not

1294
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 13: blow up until after twenty years together is unheard of.

1295
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 8: And I think that the one question I didn't address

1296
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 8: in the book.

1297
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 13: You know, sometimes I guess kicked myself sometimes after it's

1298
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 13: too late to change anything.

1299
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 8: The one question I would have liked.

1300
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 13: To explore, and maybe you guys have insight into this

1301
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 13: is what would have happened if Belichick was the one

1302
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 13: who went to Tampa and Tom stayed.

1303
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 8: In New England.

1304
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 13: So Tom tried to win with the roster that Belichick

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Speaker 13: had put together. Other would say Josh McDaniels as the

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Speaker 13: head coach, and Belichick went to Tampa with that roster,

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Speaker 13: and maybe he would have kept Jameis Winston, I don't.

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Speaker 14: Know, or just brought in somebody else. Yeah, with Winston, No,

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Speaker 14: you know, maybe he would have. Maybe he would what

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Speaker 14: Cam Newton to, uh right, right, Yeah, who knows?

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Speaker 13: But you know, could Belichick have if they were if

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Speaker 13: they were to switch spots then because one of the

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Speaker 13: quotes in the book from Belichick that he told me

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Speaker 13: was that, you know, Tom, they wouldn't have won it

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Speaker 13: in twenty twenty with Tom because the roster had you know,

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Speaker 13: fallen apart, uh to such an extent that he didn't

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Speaker 13: think Tom could win there. So but you know, in

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Speaker 13: what I would call the alternate Universe that I had

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Speaker 13: a chapter in the book about the old universe about

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Speaker 13: things that could have happened in NFL history but didn't.

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Speaker 13: I should have included this is would Belichick have won

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Speaker 13: in Tampa without Tom? And could Tom have won in

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Speaker 13: New England with out Belichick the way those two teams

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Speaker 13: were constructed.

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Speaker 2: In I think I think if it's a it's a

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Speaker 2: fun discussion, But I think for Bill it would have

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Speaker 2: taken longer. He needs to build his team the way

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Speaker 2: he wonts.

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Speaker 3: The answer is probably no for both. But I would

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Speaker 3: say that that same roster won twelve games with Brady

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Speaker 3: quarterback in the year before it was deteriorating all over

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Speaker 3: the place. We knew, we were all covering it at

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Speaker 3: the time. I don't think they were a championship contender

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Speaker 3: with even if Brady stayed, but they they wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: fallen apart like that with Brady.

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Speaker 13: If you remember, and you guys know this better than

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Speaker 13: I do, but if he ended twenty nineteen season, season

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Speaker 13: didn't the Patriots.

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Speaker 8: Was a home game to Miami. Oh yeah, first round.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so it just continued the next week against against

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Speaker 13: Tennessee and the playoffs. You know, the arrow was pointing down.

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Speaker 13: But if they had won that game against Miami, who

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Speaker 13: knows what would have happened.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't have won the Super Bowl, but you

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Speaker 8: never know.

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Speaker 2: But like I said, you know, when Vrabel came in here,

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Speaker 2: he started, he starts he's bringing in his guys. When

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Speaker 2: Belichick first got to the Patriots, one of the first

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Speaker 2: things he did was start to bring in his guys like,

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Speaker 2: that were his circle the wagon, guys like Parcels used

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Speaker 2: to call him. So I think Bill going to Tampa,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been I think eventually he'd probably start winning.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it would have been immediately.

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Speaker 13: You have to remember this, in my opinion, at least

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Speaker 13: the Tampa roster in twenty twenty was much better than

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Speaker 13: the Patriots luster.

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Speaker 8: And to god, yes, all they needed was a quarterback.

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Speaker 13: They had a good defense, they had a really good

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Speaker 13: offensive line, they had two good receivers and Evans and Godwin,

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Speaker 13: they had some good tight ends that they just needed

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Speaker 13: a quarterback. Maybe they needed the greatest quarterback ever to win.

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Speaker 13: Maybe somebody a notch or two below wouldn't have won.

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Speaker 13: But I think I'm not sure that Belichick would have

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Speaker 13: had to turn over that roster.

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Speaker 2: It'd be a culture shock for those guys under Bruce

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Speaker 2: arians and then going to Bill Belichick that would have

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Speaker 2: been like yeah, so I don't know, but Gary, I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: If the book is Brady Versus Belichick, it is going

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Speaker 2: to be available September sixteenth, Do I have that correct?

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Speaker 13: That's right, It's Brady versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate September sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: Some of us still go to bookstores. All right, Gary,

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Speaker 2: thanks a lot, congratulations on the book. We'll talk to

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Speaker 8: Time, perhaps anytime. Guys, thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 16: Plush today at practice Yeah, I think, uh yeah, really,

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Speaker 16: I think just keep on going, you know us first,

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Speaker 16: our defense. I think it's always great work, you know

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Speaker 16: with the guys that got over there, the different stuff

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Speaker 16: they do, and then really just us, you know, keep

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Speaker 16: working on communication, you know, knowing our rules for on

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Speaker 16: our rules and building chemistry on to get ready for

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Speaker 16: week one. I think, you know, I've been proud of

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Speaker 16: the guys last two days of you know, taking this

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Speaker 16: time you know to get better and not kind of

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Speaker 16: usually as a kind of relaxed week. I think we're

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Speaker 16: trying to you know, get after it and get ready

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Speaker 16: for We won.

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Speaker 13: Everything from the spring through the summer to now the

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Speaker 13: end of training camp.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think we've just been trying to buy in.

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Speaker 16: You know, Coach Rabel came here in mid clear from

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Speaker 16: day one, Hey, drop your we goes at the door.

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Speaker 16: We'll get here to work. We want guys to finish

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Speaker 16: and work hard and give effort. And I think, you

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01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 16: know we'll start to see that and build that and

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Speaker 16: just kind of keep working and bring it to the field,

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Speaker 16: you know, week one. So uh, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 16: do my part and try to come out here every

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Speaker 16: day and try to get better.

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Speaker 17: Being the quarterback makes you the most nervous right now

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Speaker 17: as you prepare for your first career Week one start.

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Speaker 16: Well, aspect of being the quarterback makes me most nervous.

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Speaker 16: I wanna say nerves. I think just just anxious to

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Speaker 16: get out there. We'll be in front of the home crowd,

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Speaker 16: hopefully good crowd. Nerves wise, I think you get nerve,

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Speaker 16: I get nervous, broout, you know, the same amount every

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Speaker 16: every game out there, I'm thinking, no matter, you know,

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Speaker 16: back to high school kind of the same. Not really nervous,

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 16: just jitters getting out there and kind of once you

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Speaker 16: get go into the game, I feel good and kind

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Speaker 16: of from here, just you know, getting ready for with

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Speaker 16: the new guys, kind of new guys playing with so

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01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 16: kind of building chemistry with them. It's probably i'd say

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Speaker 16: in a game like Setting Brother than that would stay nervous.

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01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 16: I think just more excited and anxious.

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Speaker 9: How would you describe the identity of this football team

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01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 9: or what we're going to see in.

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Speaker 4: The regular season?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think, Uh, I think we're trying to build

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Speaker 16: a team that's bring it every play, you know, no

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Speaker 16: plays off, you know, no days off. And I think,

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Speaker 16: what coach, you know, I'm trying to build. What the

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Speaker 16: guys are trying to you'll give into is uh. You know,

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Speaker 16: if you're not gonna play hard and you know you

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Speaker 16: can mess up and do a mistake, we do it

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Speaker 16: at full speed. And I think we're trying to bring

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Speaker 16: that and you'll play hard and play hard on the

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Speaker 16: other team being good condition, and then you know from

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Speaker 16: there to try to execute, you know, in a situation

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Speaker 16: fal football. I think that's where we're preaching. You know,

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Speaker 16: so many games or one and lost by one score

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Speaker 16: and situations, so try to excel in that area and

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Speaker 16: from there just take care of the football and gives

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Speaker 16: a chance every week.

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Speaker 4: I believe you've had the whole summer working with Josh

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Speaker 4: mc daniels. What's your level of excitement now kind of.

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Speaker 3: The three preseason games a out of the way for

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Speaker 3: the next game is the you know, home of the

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Speaker 3: season opener.

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Speaker 4: So what's your level of excitement working.

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Speaker 3: With Yeah, I think I'm pumped up.

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Speaker 16: I think anytime you get a chance to go into

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Speaker 16: a game and you'll see how the game plan works.

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Speaker 16: And you can see a little bit in preseason, but

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Speaker 16: you know, now it's full go. You'll kind of game

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Speaker 16: plan a team and you know watching tape, you know,

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Speaker 16: with you with him in there and just you know,

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Speaker 16: seeing what he's seeing and try to be on the

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Speaker 16: same page. That's the funnest part. I think you're playing

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Speaker 16: the position of trying to You'll see something in the

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Speaker 16: film room on you know Monday or Tuesday go out

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Speaker 16: there and do in practice and executing the games. That's

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Speaker 16: kind of how the ritual goes, and it's it's it

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Speaker 16: feels good when you you know, see it on tape

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Speaker 16: and accomplish something. So just getting into the groove and

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Speaker 16: I think just having you know, uh, coordinator who trusts

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Speaker 16: me and you know, puts full trust and you know,

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Speaker 16: the guys and myself and go out there and have

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Speaker 16: some fun.

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Speaker 4: What the game planning process is going to be like, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: well we.

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Speaker 16: Got a little bit sensitive in preseason obviously different the

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Speaker 16: full week to kind of get going with the guys.

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Speaker 16: So I'm excited just trying to You'll be all in

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Speaker 16: the Raiders and take one week at a time and

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Speaker 16: then from here just try to you'll take the little

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Speaker 16: details and like I said, follow our rules and go

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Speaker 16: out there and kind of be instinctive and play hard.

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Speaker 17: Is it to you to get Stefan involved even on

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Speaker 17: the practice field and just you know, feeding him targets

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Speaker 17: and developing Yeah, you guys.

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Speaker 16: Shoot, he's a phenomenal player. You know what he can do,

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Speaker 16: and you know how much is you know ball he's

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Speaker 16: played and how many plays he's make. Just try to

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Speaker 16: give them give him the football and you know, whether

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Speaker 16: it's extra work with him or actually worked out of

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Speaker 16: practice from the film, but trying to he'll be on

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Speaker 16: the same page. And I think, you know, what's you know,

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Speaker 16: he's uh, he'll got one on one matchups or he

1517
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 16: feels his own. He knows you know, coverage really well.

1518
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 16: So I think you do a lot of things well.

1519
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 16: So it's it's good for us to use him, you know,

1520
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 16: as much as he's able to, you know, handle, And

1521
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 16: I think it's excited to you know, get there and

1522
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 16: you know, don't don't call footballs and then building the

1523
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 16: chemistry and practice. I think we've got to kind of

1524
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 16: built it, you know here lately, and I think just

1525
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 16: kind of carry that into the season.

1526
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 17: Is there any pressure on you he's a guy who's

1527
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 17: obviously accomplished a lot in his career. Yeah, there's any

1528
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 17: pressure on you as a young quarterback to make sure

1529
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 17: he gets the ball, make sure he's he's feeling good

1530
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 17: about where.

1531
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say pressure.

1532
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 16: I think he knows, you know, he knows the plays,

1533
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 16: and always try to tell the guys, hey, if you've

1534
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 16: seen something, hey, you know, give me something on the

1535
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 16: sideline or something like that. But I'm gonna try to

1536
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 16: throw the guys that open. If he's opened a lot,

1537
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 16: then he'll get the ball a lot.

1538
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 9: So after the Minnesota game, at the first drive, he

1539
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 9: had a couple of up high and said, I just

1540
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 9: came out a little shoe stuff, you know, a little

1541
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 9: player off.

1542
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1543
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 3: Do you have any strategies in mind for saying, right,

1544
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 3: how can they get out there and just relax at

1545
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 3: the beginning years, because it's not unique to you far

1546
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: about it a lot of guys.

1547
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1548
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 16: I think just it's kind of like you know, back

1549
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 16: in the day playing basketball, kind of find a you'll

1550
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 16: find a layup before you start shooting threes. I think

1551
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 16: just whether it's a good run or you know, with

1552
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 16: the guys up front and the running backs, or maybe

1553
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 16: easy completion. But other than that, I think it's just uh,

1554
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 16: just getting out there, and I think that's part of it.

1555
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 16: I think it's whether it's gonna be kind of the

1556
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 16: jitters or gonna be fired up. That's more of what

1557
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 16: it is. Just to kind of calm that. And I

1558
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 16: think kind of use the guys around me as well.

1559
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 16: I think use the guys around me to kind of

1560
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 16: feel like Hey, you know if if if they're pump up,

1561
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 16: I'm gonna get a little pumped up. But you know,

1562
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 16: when I get out there, kind of be cool and

1563
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 16: calm and collected.

1564
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 3: See I think you should get here, I think, yeah.

1565
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.

1566
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.

1567
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 2: Got down day tomorrow.

1568
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 17: Have you detected any anxiousness in the locker room or

1569
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 17: among the players as we approach it tomorrow.

1570
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always a tough day.

1571
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 16: You know, I really got to experience it, you know,

1572
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 16: one time last year with the guys around the locker room.

1573
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 16: Obviously you hear about it, and you have so many

1574
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 16: guys out here that worked their butts off that are

1575
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 16: kind of you'll fight and crawling to make the team,

1576
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 16: and you know that, you know, it's news that obviously

1577
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 16: they're unfortunate for them and unfortunate for us. Who you'll

1578
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 16: build a relationship with them. And I remember the rookies,

1579
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 16: I felt like all those guys are with me and

1580
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 16: in training camp, and you know, coming out of rookie

1581
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 16: Minnie camp and next thing, you know, like that, we

1582
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 16: got down at ten or twelve lookers in the locker

1583
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 16: room from thirty so it was tough for me to

1584
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 16: you realize that's the nature of the business. And then

1585
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 16: from there just a you'll pump those guys up if

1586
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 16: you never know missing him again, you see, you know,

1587
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 16: hasty back out here and guys like that, you never know.

1588
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 16: The relationship's never over. And for those guys, just another

1589
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 16: step in the journey and and try to stay in

1590
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 16: touch with.

1591
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: Them and now great moments in.

1592
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: History.

1593
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 18: By the way, speaking of Edelman, I'm a little worried

1594
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 18: about him. Why he is too jacked Yeah, I mean

1595
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 18: it's like he's become a body build.

1596
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna get hurt.

1597
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna get hurt.

1598
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 11: It's all edited.

1599
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: I think it's like, now that Tom's gone, I'm not

1600
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: doing that TV twelve stretching anymore and lean muscle and

1601
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: the like.

1602
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 3: He's yeah, because that really kept it, really kept him

1603
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 3: healthy in the past. He's he's really been durable.

1604
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: Veins are popping out, like he is jacked up.

1605
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 11: He is just.

1606
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: Thirsty on Instagram.

1607
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 4: It's like, come on, take it easy, jewels stuff.

1608
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 17: I'm a little worried about his obsession with the short

1609
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 17: shorts cut off.

1610
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: Listen, if I look like him, I be nude.

1611
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: That's another great moment, all right.

1612
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: Back here, and Patriots make you Gary Myers for doing that.

1613
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 2: It's a good read, I would suggested, easy.

1614
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 3: It'll take you Patriots fans take it down memory lane too.

1615
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: Yep, it's a good read. And like I said, I

1616
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: won't give away his conclusion, but you can probably guess

1617
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: what it was. But but it's good stuff.

1618
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: If you're listening to his interview, you wouldn't guess what

1619
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 3: it want.

1620
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Nate writes in from Connecticut. He's not calling in.

1621
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 2: He says, I'm emailing because the phone lines have been

1622
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: down for me for some reason. I was really committed

1623
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: to getting a calling to tell you guys, I'm going

1624
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: back to school tomorrow and will be unable to call

1625
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: in anymore unless I am sick on Tuesday or Thursday.

1626
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 3: I just assumed his mother has him on punishment. Yeah,

1627
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 3: he's not allowed to use his phone.

1628
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 2: My hopefully not. Final question for you guys is what

1629
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: do you guys think of the Jacoby Myers trade request.

1630
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: The big pattern we've noticed is when you request a trade,

1631
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: you get paid. Is Jacoby looking to get paid or

1632
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: does he really not want to be in the situation.

1633
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 2: He's been in Vegas for the last few years. I'd

1634
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 2: love to have him back in New England. He was

1635
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: very productive and him paired with May is a match

1636
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: made in heaven. I think it's all about money.

1637
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 3: Well, he is looking to get paid. Yeah, yep, yeah.

1638
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: I don't think the conditions are like intolerable. I think

1639
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: he's just They've tried to talk and I guess it

1640
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: just hasn't gone anywhere. And he wants his money.

1641
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1642
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 4: I think it's what's his stats, like he had a

1643
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 4: thousand yards? I mean, he just he like.

1644
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 7: Twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.

1645
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 9: I mean every quarterback that he's played with, he's been

1646
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,560
Speaker 9: productive and you can't knock that.

1647
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 7: It's production is all the.

1648
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 3: Matters, player find space, does all those things. I'm Evan

1649
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 3: and I talked about it a little bit off air.

1650
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 3: I would take him back. I think he's a good

1651
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 3: player and I was very high on Jacoby Myers never

1652
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 3: wanted him to leave in the first place.

1653
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 4: I'm sure right on.

1654
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: I just feel I just feel like they have enough

1655
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 3: of those kinds of receivers, you know, and Diggs is

1656
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: obviously a higher end, you know, type of you know

1657
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 3: kind of zone beater find space, you know, versatile to

1658
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: beat Man and zone.

1659
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 7: He doesn't change the equation for the Patriot.

1660
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 3: He's got Douglas in the slot. You got everybody's favorite Chisholm, right,

1661
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: I mean another guy who finds space and you know,

1662
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 3: you know, creates separation, you know underneath. I just don't

1663
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 3: know how many of those guys you need.

1664
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, if your response to this is that just take

1665
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 4: the talent and figure it out later, and I'd totally

1666
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 4: a fair take to have on it. But when you

1667
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 4: start of get into the minutia of it, Jacoby Myers

1668
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 4: is a Z receiver. Stefan Diggs is a C receiver.

1669
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 4: So if you trade for Jacoby Myers, one of those

1670
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 4: guys is playing out a position, and I don't know

1671
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 4: if they are, especially Digs at this point of his career.

1672
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to be productive playing

1673
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 4: the X, like, I don't know if that's really going

1674
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 4: to be a good.

1675
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 3: Role for him. It's either Zo the slot, right, He's

1676
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 3: not an outside.

1677
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 4: Right, So if you put him at the X, how

1678
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 4: is Stefon Diggs really going to feel about that? Because

1679
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 4: now the targets are going to be funneled someplace else,

1680
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 4: and we'd all know that that role is the role

1681
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 4: that gets the high volume in this offense. Essentially, what

1682
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 4: I'm saying, they signed Digs to be Jacobe Myers right

1683
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 4: like that day. Once they have redundancy, they're overlapping receivers.

1684
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 4: So you could sit here and say, just take the

1685
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 4: good receiver and we'll figure out all these problems later.

1686
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 4: But I think it's more complicated than that with this

1687
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 4: particular receiver in this particular offense.

1688
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 2: So Richard and Attleborough along the Meyers trade rumor type

1689
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 2: of discussion, he says, I always felt that letting Jacoby

1690
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 2: go was a favorite Bill gave to Josh to help

1691
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 2: him in Las Vegas. I don't think it wasn't. No.

1692
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: He also wants to know has the Patriots considered creating

1693
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: an official discord Do you guys know what we're talking

1694
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: about the forums?

1695
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 4: Uh, we have not considered that, but maybe an offline conversation.

1696
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that you like discord.

1697
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 4: Discord's fun. It's uh, it's basically like it's kind of

1698
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 4: like a newer Reddit, where like you have like live conversations.

1699
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 4: So instead of posting to it and then people reacting.

1700
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 4: You actually host like a Q and A for like

1701
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 4: an hour on the Patriot Discord, so I would be

1702
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 4: in there, Deuce could be in there, and the fans

1703
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 4: could come in and ask questions in text form and

1704
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 4: then we would like have an ongoing.

1705
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: Reddit has that too? What are they call it?

1706
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 7: On AM?

1707
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 4: That's asked me anything? That's different?

1708
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 12: Right?

1709
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 2: But those are live?

1710
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but like that's that's the idea of it.

1711
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 4: And they're pretty pop like and you have sort of

1712
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 4: like you know, it's kind of like it's kind of

1713
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 4: like kirsh words. Honestly, it's kind of like that where

1714
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 4: it's like the same people kind of gather, you know,

1715
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 4: every week and and that sort of thing. So, uh,

1716
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 4: it could be something, but I don't know if we

1717
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:16,600
Speaker 4: would like.

1718
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 9: Just call into the show here while we're sitting here

1719
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 9: about you know, four to six hours a week where it.

1720
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 4: Is for you know, people that that want a text

1721
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 4: call in and right a lot of people now.

1722
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:31,520
Speaker 7: Sure at platforms.

1723
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 2: Cody in Indiana says today is a day of celebration.

1724
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: We finally got a good call from Christian in La

1725
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: We got to hear him play the bongos underwater and

1726
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 2: then Fred promptly hung up.

1727
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 7: On Wow, there you go, stupid Uber driver. He's got

1728
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 7: a call back and blame the Uber driver.

1729
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 2: It was his fall, But like, is that important actually

1730
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 2: have to call?

1731
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 3: Like you're in an uber that's actually a Limo drives buddy,

1732
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 3: but he's trying to die.

1733
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: Really disappointed. You're in an Uber and not a well,

1734
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: it might have been an Uber X, it could be Excel.

1735
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 4: He just gets the big one anyway.

1736
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colby has a quick over and undergame over under,

1737
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:14,879
Speaker 2: Drake may touchdown, passes twenty over, games started by digs

1738
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: twelve over over.

1739
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 4: If these any of these are under.

1740
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: That wins for the Patriots.

1741
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 7: Eight over, I'm gonna nine.

1742
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 3: I just I stick my flagging nine under, staying just

1743
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: because no, because I think it's the number. But it's over.

1744
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 3: But I said, push, okay, push push, Let's see a

1745
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 3: better chance seven than nine okay?

1746
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 2: Eight five five Pats five hundred is the hotline. Boston

1747
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: Cream's on it. What's up, Boston Cream?

1748
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 11: Hey guys, I got a little bit of a gripe

1749
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 11: with Evan Good. Evans very smart, obviously know what's a lot,

1750
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 11: Thank you, very good. Within his own lane, thank you.

1751
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 11: That being said, Evan is a little bit of a

1752
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 11: no at all. I'll give two examples here. There was

1753
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 11: something like discussion about pop culture, and Evan asked Paul

1754
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 11: how often he hangs around eighteen nineteen year old, which

1755
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 11: I thought was quite funny, as I believe Paul is

1756
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 11: the father of one, if not two of them.

1757
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 12: That we know of.

1758
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 4: It doesn't count.

1759
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you think that around? I remember saying

1760
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 3: that I don't either.

1761
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like you though.

1762
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 11: The second one was the conversation I think it was

1763
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 11: last week about manual transmission vehicles. Evan was saying that

1764
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 11: they still make manual transmission vehicles, which is true, and

1765
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 11: he said they're usually paddleshift.

1766
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 4: No, I said, now we've adapted to more paddle shifters

1767
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 4: on sports cars especially.

1768
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 8: Yeah. True.

1769
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 11: But the question was do they still have a clutch?

1770
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 11: He said, yeah, but they have paddle shift. There's taddle

1771
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 11: shifting cars. You don't use a clutch and a paddleship.

1772
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 10: That change here?

1773
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 3: Okay, wow, got me bo.

1774
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 10: I do have a question.

1775
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 11: Oh, yes, the Patriots start five and oh or oh

1776
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 11: and five?

1777
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: What's more likely?

1778
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 3: Better chance? And five?

1779
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: I have to say that too.

1780
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1781
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 3: Thanks, that's a real old school Andy Hart. Better chance

1782
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 3: what I like?

1783
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 7: Three and just paint the corner.

1784
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 3: That's obviously. I don't think it's very I don't think

1785
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 3: it's very like. I don't think it's very likely you're

1786
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 3: going on and five.

1787
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: But I.

1788
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 3: Don't know.

1789
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 7: What's more likely.

1790
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 3: They criticism, well, from certain was me. I'd be in

1791
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: the corner, in the fetal position at all times.

1792
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 4: That's not true. I take criticism. Well, listen to the

1793
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 4: open every show from certain people. You know what I mean?

1794
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, certain people? Hey, you mean you people?

1795
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 7: People?

1796
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: Try Darius and Louisville has some major gripe. There's a

1797
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: lot of capital letters used in this email. Oh yeah,

1798
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 2: he says a couple of things. I have to say. First,

1799
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: can we stop comparing Vrabel and his staff to Mayo

1800
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 2: and his staff. We all know how inexperienced Mayo and

1801
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,480
Speaker 2: his coaches worse, so it's not even a fair comparison.

1802
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 2: How about we compare what Rabel is doing to what

1803
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,520
Speaker 2: Bill was doing for twenty years. That's a better comparison.

1804
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, I believe in Vrabes, but to

1805
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 2: annoy him, the next best things and sliced bread just

1806
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 2: because he's doing better than Mayo is kind of ridiculous

1807
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 2: in my opinion. Second thing that grinds my gears is

1808
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: callers and emails that ask the same annoying question every time,

1809
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: especially if you guys just talked about it. Just pay

1810
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 2: attention to the show and your questions will be answered. Wow,

1811
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 2: there you go. Or if he's talking about anyone in particular.

1812
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: Some of the emails come in before we've actually talked

1813
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: about it. In defending of the email a little bit different,

1814
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 3: so you get like a question that maybe we we

1815
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: hadn't talked about when he sent the email in, And yeah,

1816
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 3: sometimes it can cross streams.

1817
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 9: I think it's a fair comparison that I was thinking

1818
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 9: a little bit about, you know, Bill saying when they

1819
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 9: won in two thousand and one, they didn't really feel

1820
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 9: like they had their team in place yet.

1821
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 7: And you know, Paul, you mentioned some of the.

1822
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 9: Veterans that he brought in that second year his guys,

1823
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 9: and I think you've seen a little of that with

1824
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 9: Rabel bringing in Robert Splaine. You know, the guys that

1825
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 9: they know just feel like, well, Campbell was one of

1826
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 9: his guys, even though we didn't play for him. But

1827
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 9: I think you see some of the similar things, they're

1828
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 9: still gonna have to you know, I use the example

1829
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 9: of a Sante Samuel. Now you know, year three four,

1830
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 9: maybe you have a third or fourth round cornerback waiting

1831
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 9: in the wings that you know, you're.

1832
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 3: Just calling Super Bowl. I'm not saying drafted. Will Care

1833
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 3: been drafted, Matt. I'm not saying I've left. I'm just

1834
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm not saying. I'm just saying, you know, Anthony Pleasant

1835
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 3: and Stefan Diegsteon Branch, Roman, Pfeiffer, Brobby Harnts, Robert Slaine.

1836
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 2: Do the math.

1837
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, win.

1838
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: Trevor writes in we spent so much time in the

1839
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 2: offseason talking about wide receiver and while we do still

1840
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: need a true elite guy in the future, when looking

1841
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: at our roster, it might be our deepest position. Paul

1842
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 2: will laugh, but Chisholm is one of the few guys

1843
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: who went out I hearn a spot the future. Paul, Well,

1844
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: I'll read that again since I was interrupted.

1845
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: Paul will laugh.

1846
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: But Chisholm is one of the few guys who went

1847
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 2: out and earned a spot. And then Booty Hollins Douglas Diggs.

1848
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,839
Speaker 2: Williams is probably the only room I don't feel terrible

1849
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 2: about our fifth guy seeing the field. Funny how that

1850
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: worked out so.

1851
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 3: Real as quick though Kyle Williams is the fifth guy.

1852
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 7: Kyle was back at practice.

1853
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 4: Would I would sort of agree.

1854
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 3: I think, like, I just don't feel great about the

1855
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 3: first three.

1856
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 4: The bar the bar was on the floor, like, let's

1857
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 4: not get it twisted. But at the same time, I

1858
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 4: kind of like the mix that they have, Like I

1859
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 4: at least want to see what it looks like. I

1860
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 4: but like, I kind of like the mix that they

1861
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 4: have now going.

1862
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 3: To be like Drake made to me, it's a going

1863
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 3: to be about digs.

1864
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 4: If you can go out there and like, you know,

1865
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 4: if Terry McLaurin actually got traded, like obviously you would

1866
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 4: want that type of player to add to this room.

1867
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 4: But we were talking about Jacobe Myers a little while ago.

1868
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 4: I kind of want to see what it looks like

1869
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 4: with these four or five guys, because I do think

1870
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 4: they compliment each other pretty well, and they have different

1871
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: body types that can kind of you know, mix and

1872
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 4: match a little bit. So again, I know the bar

1873
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 4: wasn't very high, but this is one of the better

1874
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 4: rooms that they've had in a while.

1875
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 2: So we talked a little bit about how much or

1876
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 2: a little you can glean from preseason. But are there

1877
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: any indications that Josh McDaniels is going to get be

1878
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: able to scheme guys open, like.

1879
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 3: Man, I think so any better?

1880
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we do we get that indication preseason

1881
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 2: because I saw some guys like like whether or not

1882
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: Drake sees them or not is a different quest. Minnesota,

1883
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 2: we saw guys get open.

1884
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, taking the joint practices more, you can see that

1885
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 4: kind of stuff because they're they're not they're not going

1886
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 4: to show very much on the preseason tape because they

1887
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 4: don't want to put it on film what they're what

1888
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 4: they're doing. But in the in the joint practices, especially

1889
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 4: against the Vikings, I think they did scheme some stuff open.

1890
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 4: Certainly like the one to Trayvon Henderson at the end

1891
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 4: of the day, one that everybody's talked about for two weeks.

1892
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 3: I saw that.

1893
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one, That one was definitely maybe you know,

1894
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: sort of like a pick wheel like rub concept that

1895
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: they kind of schemed him open on. So maybe a

1896
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 4: little bit, but I I still think that That's always

1897
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 4: been a strength of Josh's, Like I've never really had

1898
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 4: any concern and that he would be able to dress

1899
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 4: it up and try to get guys open. Yeah, i'd

1900
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 4: say too.

1901
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 9: Just I think Evan said it a lot, but I

1902
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 9: just to underline it, I think Diggs has shown like, yeah,

1903
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 9: when I want to, I'll be able to. But I'm

1904
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 9: not going to like go out here and leave everything

1905
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 9: I've got on the field in a joint practice or

1906
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 9: in a day in shells out here. So that's what

1907
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 9: I'm excited to see is what is Stefan Diggs fully

1908
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 9: integrated into this offense with a game.

1909
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 3: You know, a reasonable fact similar of what Digs has been.

1910
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 3: Then I would agree with everybody's optimism the wide receivers.

1911
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 3: If not, then you have the same guys that you've had.

1912
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if opt like it's not. I understand

1913
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 4: that where they're at still at the talent level in

1914
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 4: the room, but I do feel more optimistic about this

1915
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 4: room compared but only.

1916
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 3: Because of dis Yeah, that's it, I mean, I I

1917
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 3: mean we might be playing to some An Daniels too.

1918
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 4: I think Diggs, I think Matt Collins, I thought what.

1919
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: Coach can't do it, well, he can can't do it

1920
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 2: for you, he can help.

1921
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that everybody thinks that it's all

1922
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 3: about the coaches, but it's about town.

1923
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 7: Garry Myers didn't think that.

1924
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 2: Let's see who's this Andrew in New Jersey wants to

1925
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: earn a T shirt, so let's see how he does.

1926
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: He says he's got a couple of trivia questions and

1927
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 2: if they're good, if people think they're good, maybe uh

1928
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 2: Matt will get a little effort. Last season, there was

1929
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: one game where Joey Slide missed his only field goal attempt.

1930
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 2: What team was that against? Not an extra point shoot?

1931
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 7: That's been lost in the sense of time, Tennessee.

1932
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't say I have no idea

1933
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 3: the Jets, But like he was just one. He missed

1934
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 3: more than one field goal, right.

1935
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 2: I guess maybe he means that in the game he

1936
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 2: only had one it was and he missed it again.

1937
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: You gotta gotta word our questions better.

1938
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: Who do we play? Last year?

1939
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 2: The answer was Miami Dolphins in Week twelve? You remember that, No,

1940
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: I don't wow harder question. We didn't get that.

1941
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 3: One, right, So it was twelve years Ago, I might

1942
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 3: have been able to get it.

1943
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: Joey Slide missed seven field goals, not extra points. What

1944
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 2: teams were they against, Well, we didn't get one of them.

1945
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: Missed uh Bara Tennessee Seattle in week two, we missed one,

1946
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 2: Miami Week five, he missed one Tennessee Week nine, Miami

1947
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 2: week twelve.

1948
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 3: To have committed to memory individual missiter, Well, he just

1949
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 3: wants a T shirt.

1950
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 2: No T shirt for you, get Andrew in New Jersey

1951
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 2: a T shirt.

1952
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 4: Joey Slide, the kicker who's not on the team anymore.

1953
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 3: Booming, he kicked another sixty three yarder. I guess in

1954
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 3: the preseason.

1955
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 4: That's like everybody's making sixty three yarders now. It's the

1956
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 4: thing that is for the guy who's the guy on

1957
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. I can't Brandon Aubrey literally kicking from the

1958
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 4: other side of the fifty.

1959
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 3: Well, the guy from Jackson seventy yard that's well into

1960
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 3: the other side.

1961
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 4: It's it's crazy like all these kickers these days there

1962
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 4: are kicking from from sixty plus now.

1963
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 2: Adam in down from California. Uh, Deny michel He says,

1964
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: I think it's funny. On the twenty twenty fourth draft.

1965
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: You guys played a game of would you rather maybe

1966
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: the guy in the rest the class amiss or May

1967
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: bust and hit on the rest of the class. We

1968
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 2: all can agree we are hoping May's the guy. Yeah,

1969
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 2: that is true.

1970
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 3: I do remember playing that.

1971
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is crazy that, out of everything that went

1972
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 4: wrong last year, if May ends up being what we

1973
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 4: all think he's going to be, they somehow got that right,

1974
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 4: which is probably the hardest part to get right. And

1975
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 4: they not only from an evaluation standpoint, because that part

1976
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 4: was probably pretty easy, but the development standpoint, I think

1977
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 4: they did a nice job with Drake May.

1978
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 3: That's why I sort of I pushed back a little

1979
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 3: bit on how bad the coaching was because I do

1980
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 3: think that Alex van Pelt did a good job with

1981
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 3: Drake May, and I saw some examples. Now, did you

1982
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 3: do a good job with, you know, overcoming the offensive line. No,

1983
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 3: they didn't. They insisted on just doing it the same

1984
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 3: way all the time and never doing anything to help

1985
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 3: those tackles. But I do think they schemed guys open

1986
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 3: for Drake May and gave him a lot of easy throws,

1987
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 3: and I think they they brought up along pretty well.

1988
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 3: And I think he did develop a little Van Russiam.

1989
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:05,799
Speaker 4: They brought him, they brought him along well. His mechanics

1990
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 4: and his footwork improved under Alex van Pelt. Now Vampel

1991
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 4: is a great quarterback coach. Maybe I think that's what

1992
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 4: we really are getting out of that.

1993
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1994
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 3: I think you did a good job, you know him individual.

1995
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 3: I think, do you have any you have breaking news?

1996
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 3: Just Taylor Swift and well you were looking at the phone.

1997
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 3: I thought maybe you had a little suffer.

1998
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 7: Good for them, two happy kids. Good luck.

1999
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 3: I don't know how they'll be able to make ends me.

2000
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 3: Those two weddings are expensive, bro, but the chiefs Dyna.

2001
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad to know that it was for real. Like

2002
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 2: I thought, maybe, oh this is all, But.

2003
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 3: You didn't really buy into that whole the NFL created.

2004
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: Not the NFL, but like her, you know her marketing.

2005
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 3: I mean the first year when they were together, people

2006
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 3: thought for sure it was like an NFL conspiracy.

2007
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: The NFL doesn't tell Taylor Swift what to do, right.

2008
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 9: Well, I'm just worried now that she's in love, if

2009
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 9: she doesn't have the same kind of turmoil in.

2010
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 7: Her life to write the great poetry that, she writes,

2011
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 7: you know, and just.

2012
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 9: Looking for what they when she starts having babies, well

2013
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 9: I'm saying, like, I mean, I'm not gonna wish a

2014
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 9: divorce upon them, but divorce be some good information, good

2015
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 9: good inspiration for Taylor.

2016
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 4: If that were to happen, Taylor Army is gonna come

2017
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 4: after me because Taylor Swift takes.

2018
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 3: Do they all like like old school chauvinistic of you, like,

2019
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: when she starts having babies, She's gonna have babies.

2020
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 2: She's gonna have babies.

2021
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 3: But if she doesn't want to.

2022
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to, she won't have them. But I

2023
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 2: think she will.

2024
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 7: I mean, Jason Kes got like four daughters, so they

2025
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 7: better get going. They want to balance that off a little.

2026
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 2: Bit because Mama Kelsey will want cousins.

2027
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 7: She has grant she got all those daughters, granddaughters. She

2028
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,480
Speaker 7: needs some sons. Quantie Swift, Frank.

2029
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: Franklin, and Baltimore writes in who among these two receivers

2030
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 2: do you think will benefit more from McDaniel's scheme and

2031
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: the influx of better talent digs Williams Hollins provided better

2032
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: spacing to Marrio, Douglas, Okashawan Boody As a follow up,

2033
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: which of these do you think hasn't made been made

2034
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 2: redundant with the Patriots offseason editions? So to marry we're

2035
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: talking about Pop and Booty here, Which which benefits the

2036
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 2: most from McDaniels and digs and better receivers.

2037
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 3: Around Pop Pop?

2038
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: Not even close?

2039
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 2: Not close.

2040
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, boy, Booty's going to be relegated to not that much.

2041
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2042
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,560
Speaker 9: I think he's going to play a role, yeah, the

2043
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 9: sacrificial X because he going to lose that role to Hollins.

2044
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 2: He might. I think.

2045
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 9: I think that's a to me that's fluid between those

2046
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 9: two and in a perfect world, that's Kyle Williams emerges

2047
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 9: into that role full time and then they could maybe.

2048
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know, V what do you think

2049
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 7: do you think that that role is just always going

2050
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 7: to be? This is kind of what it is? Or

2051
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 7: like when Randy Moss came in.

2052
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 9: Twenty two thousand and seven, we have a special player

2053
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 9: now this extreme example, but.

2054
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 7: I think we have a special player here. Let's expand

2055
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 7: it a little bit.

2056
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 4: That kind of extreme example, like maybe the bare minimum

2057
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 4: is like Brandon Cooks in twenty seventeen, and I think

2058
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 4: that was also out of necessity because Edelman got hurt.

2059
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 4: So like they kind of had to feature Brandon Cooks

2060
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 4: even more than maybe the plan. But you have to

2061
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 4: have and Brandon Cooks was a really good player, so

2062
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 4: you have to have at least that level of X

2063
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,680
Speaker 4: receiver Cooks in order for Cleming that to change. I

2064
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 4: think like in Vegas he had DeVante Adams, so obviously

2065
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 4: they they changed some things to to feature Devanta Adams.

2066
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 4: I don't think you're changing things for Matt Collins.

2067
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 9: And let's say Mac Collins almost kind of the perfect

2068
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 9: guy for that if you're not going to make it

2069
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 9: like I just want to put somebody in there who's

2070
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 9: going to run.

2071
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 4: Really the perfect guy for it because but he blocks well,

2072
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 4: he does like all he's.

2073
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 3: The perfect guy because he can play any of the spots.

2074
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he does.

2075
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 3: That's what Josh mc loves does all that anywhere.

2076
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 4: He does all the dirty work. He's going to catch

2077
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 4: the ball in traffic, he's gonna win the ball down

2078
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 4: the field, he's going to block, he's not going to

2079
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 4: bitch about his targets like he's just.

2080
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:49,560
Speaker 3: I agree with all that.

2081
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 7: He was all over the defense to practices. Ago was

2082
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,640
Speaker 7: all over them. I've never seen anything quite like it.

2083
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 9: Just yelling at them, hyping them up, you know, yelling, yelling, Gonzales.

2084
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 7: All you do is watch, you know, talking trash on

2085
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 7: the highlights. Is it was pretty funny.

2086
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 2: Cisco and San Diego rights and he has an over

2087
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 2: under game over under opening touchdown drives seven and a

2088
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 2: hay oh god.

2089
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 4: That's a high number.

2090
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 3: Yeah under, I.

2091
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 2: Wonder, but game winning drives five and ahead.

2092
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: That's a really high number.

2093
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2094
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 2: Throw Trevion Henderson touchdowns six and a hay over under

2095
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 2: over Kyle Williams touchdowns five and a hay under under

2096
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 2: games where defensive holds teams under twenty one points six

2097
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 2: and a hay oh ah.

2098
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 4: This schedule and a half points.

2099
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 7: I'll be positive on this one. I say, yes, they

2100
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 7: got some bad offenses games.

2101
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 3: That's that's the best number. I'm gonna say over because

2102
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 3: I felt like I said under for everything.

2103
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and longtime listener, first time reaching out. Shout out

2104
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 2: Sammy Morris, who was a family friend.

2105
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 3: Nice Okay, okay, same nice man.

2106
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 2: More shout out Sammy Morris, Sam Morris, so Brian and

2107
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 2: Swansea wants to steal Andrew Callahan's two stats in a

2108
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: lie game? You want to play that.

2109
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 3: I do like Andrew Callahan's two stats and all.

2110
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: So he wants to change it to two facts of stats,

2111
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 2: two facts and a lie. So there's three statements. Two

2112
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 2: of them are facts. One.

2113
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 8: What do you got?

2114
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 4: Yakob Johnson released by the Houston Texans.

2115
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 19: Oh, here we go, full back, Josh, Let's go, let's go, Sorry,

2116
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 19: let's go.

2117
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 2: Okay. I'm a little surprised he got released, though I

2118
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 2: think he was.

2119
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 4: I am excited about that. Bring him back, bring him home.

2120
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 2: All right, bring him to facts and a lie. Tom

2121
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 2: Brady and Peyton Manning are the only two quarterbacks to

2122
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 2: win thirteen or more games in a season for two

2123
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 2: different teams. That statement one. Statement two. The New York

2124
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Jets have never made the playoffs three years in a row,

2125
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 2: and over the last twelve years, the Kansas City Chiefs

2126
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 2: have more regular season wins than the Jets and Giants combined.

2127
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 3: We have to pick out the lie.

2128
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 2: Pick out the lie.

2129
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with as the lie.

2130
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 7: I might go a to the lie.

2131
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 14: Two.

2132
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 7: That's seems like but thirteen's a lot, right, Like?

2133
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 3: Did Brady win thirteen with Tampa.

2134
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.

2135
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: Number one is the lie. Yeah, Jared Goff is the

2136
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 2: only quarterback to accomplish his feet He went thirteen with

2137
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 2: the Rams in eighteen and fifteen with the Lions last year,

2138
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 2: and the other two are true. Okay, he has two more.

2139
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 3: Oh, Brady did win thirteen, so I was right, but

2140
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 3: not for the right reasons. Right for the wrong reason.

2141
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, is he counting like playoff games because that

2142
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 3: doesn't count.

2143
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 4: He might have won thirteen, Tom Brady.

2144
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2145
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't know it's got anyway. Game two, there was

2146
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,879
Speaker 2: a two hundred and seventy two game gap between completed

2147
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 2: passes by a Patriot quarterback. Okay, that's weird.

2148
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy two game gap between.

2149
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,640
Speaker 2: What completed passes by a Patriot quarterback. What does that

2150
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 2: even mean?

2151
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:28,839
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means anyone.

2152
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 11: I don't know.

2153
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 3: That's between Brady and someone else.

2154
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: Maybe okay, again not worded.

2155
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 3: Well, I don't understand.

2156
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 2: John Hannah is the only guard to ever receive a

2157
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 2: vote for AP Offensive Player of the Year.

2158
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that these are all just fat Oh

2159
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 3: this is another round game.

2160
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, now another round of game.

2161
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 3: I can't really participate in this one because I don't

2162
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 3: understand the first.

2163
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 2: And John Stalworth holds the NFL record with eight consecutive

2164
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 2: playoff games with a touchdown reception. A Patriot player with

2165
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 2: only twelve career regular season touchdown receptions is second all

2166
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 2: time on this list with seventh straight playoff games with

2167
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 2: a touchdown reception. I don't know. Number two was the lie?

2168
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 3: Number two was the lie? Does he have any explanations there?

2169
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Speaker 2: Yeah, John Hannah did receive a vote for AP Offensive

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Speaker 2: Player that I knew that number one is true, he says.

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01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 2: Doug Flutie completed a pass to John Stevens in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter of a loss the Atlanta Falcons on October fifteenth,

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01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 2: eighty nine. His next pass completion as a member of

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Speaker 2: the Patriots was Detroy Brown in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: Now I understand it, right, Okay, Now I understand.

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01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: It could have been worded better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's why I wanted you to be.

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Speaker 2: The last one. Over the last fourteen years, every team

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Speaker 2: in the AFC South has a losing.

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Speaker 3: Record over the last fourteen.

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01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 2: Years, has had he should have said, has had?

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Speaker 3: I think like one year one year there no, I

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01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 3: think he means over the last fourteen years, they all

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Speaker 3: have a losing record.

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01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 4: Sure don't have a losing record over the last it

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01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 4: would be the lie.

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01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I see what he means cumulatively. Okay, okay, I

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01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 2: get it now. Over the last fourteen years, every team

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01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 2: in the AFC South has had a losing record over

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01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 2: those fourteen years. The second statement, Andy Reid has a

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01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 2: higher career regular season winning percentage than Bill Belichick regular

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Speaker 2: season I.

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Speaker 3: Believe that's true.

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01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: And finally, Mike Rabel is the only NFL head coach

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Speaker 2: who has also caught a touchdown pass in the NFL. Oh,

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01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 2: look active, which one is the lie?

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 7: Hmm.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick with the first. I'm gonna say A

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01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 3: is the lie.

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Speaker 4: Colts.

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Speaker 3: I think the Colts probably have a winning number.

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01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Three is the lie. Mike Ditka also caught a touchdown

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01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 2: pass from Roger starback in Super Bowl six.

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Speaker 3: Head coach.

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Speaker 4: He was a head coach, but did not say active.

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Speaker 3: I thought you said active.

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01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 7: Did not say I was thinking active.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I thought you guys said active.

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Speaker 7: Dan Campbell never caught a touchdown.

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01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 4: That's a good one. Yeah, I guess not. I feel

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01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 4: like he had to have right, like you played tight ends?

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01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 3: Did he really even play?

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01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 4: I mean, and he was definitely a blocking tight end,

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01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 4: Like I look at the guy, but like.

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01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 7: Slip him out and hit him in the flat.

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Speaker 3: John and Ireland, those are good yeah, and those are hard.

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01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,639
Speaker 2: Ye, John and Ireland. Can we expect to see tight

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01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: ends being used for support for Will Campbell in the

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01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 2: early season games?

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Speaker 3: I think you expect to see that frequently.

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01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 4: I think for both tackles, yeah, chips, things like that.

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Speaker 4: I think that that's we've seen that all summer long. Honestly,

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01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:49,759
Speaker 4: that they've.

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01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Been I have to say that when the rumors of

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01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 2: Hendrickson possibly go into the Raiders, that scared the hell

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01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 2: out of me. I mean, what do you do?

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01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 12: You know?

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01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 4: Chip them double chip, send waves.

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01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 7: Dan Kimmell had like eleven touchdowns in his career.

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01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 3: Really that has so that's wrong?

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01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Dan Kimmel's also throw it was wrong anyway,

2233
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 7: just three days older than me.

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01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because it was Dicka Like never mind.

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01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 2: Sweet kid rights. It haven't heard from him in a

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01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: long time now. Melvin and Tennessee. I spent the summer

2237
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 2: studying the English language, so that I can sound smarter.

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01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 2: So far, I've learned three new words. I don't know

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01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 2: what those words are though yet. Anyway, how do you

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Speaker 2: feel about the backup quarterback position for a team that

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01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 2: might be on the verge of making the playoffs? I

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01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 2: hope they can pull out a game or two of

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01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 2: maya sideline, that brief period could swing things.

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01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 3: I have a question that's kind of related to that,

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01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 3: but not necessarily for the same reasons. Do you think

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01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 3: having a quality backup quarterback is more important if you

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01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 3: to be a good team, then it would be if

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01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 3: you're just trying to rebuild.

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01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 2: No, I would say that again, is it more than.

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Speaker 3: Melvine was made a point to say for a team

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01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 3: that is on the verge of making the playoffs? Is

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01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 3: that Does that make it more pressing that you don't

2253
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 3: feel great about the backup quarterback or you're not you

2254
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 3: don't want your starting quarterback to get hurt. No, but

2255
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:23,839
Speaker 3: if you kind of think you're dead.

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01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 2: If he's but but if he said, on the verge

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01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 2: of making the playoffs, so one or two games could

2258
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 2: be the difference. So if May turns his ankle in

2259
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 2: the first quarter, do you have a guy who can

2260
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 2: come in and hope and win that game for it.

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01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 3: My guess is if you're if you're just that kind

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01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 3: of a team where you're a middling team but May

2263
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 3: is going to put you over the top and maybe

2264
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 3: get you into the playoffs, then you're not going to

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01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 3: have a backup that's going to be able to do that.

2266
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: Whereas if you're right, Whereas if you're a great team,

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01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 3: right and you're stacked and I lose my quarterback, all

2268
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 3: hope is not lost. So you said, the really good

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01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 3: team and if I can get a guy that can

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01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 3: go in there and keep the you know, train on

2271
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:02,759
Speaker 3: the rings.

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01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 2: So you say the backup wouldn't. It's not about the

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01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 2: backup being good enough. It's the people around him with

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01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 2: a backup more good enough.

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01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 3: The better your team is, I think that that would

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01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 3: be more important.

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01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 2: It's a good point, Paul, Yeah, yeah, I get I

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01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 2: get that reason.

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01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 3: I would feel like if you if you think the

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01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 3: Patriots are a borderline playoff team, it'd be hard to

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01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 3: imagine that you're going to continue to be a playoff

2282
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 3: team if Drake Made doesn't play three games. Yeah, right,

2283
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 3: unless Drake May is just not not as good as

2284
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 3: we all think.

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01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 7: Like, I don't even want to think that.

2286
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 3: The bottom line the bottom line for sweet Kid, and

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01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 3: I think the whole panel here probably agrees they might

2288
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,799
Speaker 3: they might be in the market for another quarterback.

2289
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they're definitely gonna have three. I mean, they

2290
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 4: probably signed one to the practice squad at the very least,

2291
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 4: like you can just fore.

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01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 3: I think they're different things though, Like do you sign

2293
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 3: the guy for the practice squad to replaced Woldry, Yeah,

2294
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,560
Speaker 3: you think you can get better, better developmental right? Or

2295
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 3: do you go to fred Route and get this?

2296
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be surprised like if like Tommy DeVito

2297
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 4: or Bailey's Appy's on a practice squad for a while. Yeah, Like,

2298
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a guarantee that those guys are

2299
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 4: going to find fifty three in a roster spot.

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01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 9: He's interesting that wolders they got rid of him last

2301
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 9: week and is there nothing there?

2302
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 7: Like what didn't he do?

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01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 9: Did they just say, well, it's never going to happen

2304
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 9: with him, Like what's the line for making the roster

2305
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 9: as like a practice squad guy with a quarterback?

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01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: I just think that he wasn't worth whether it's practice

2307
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 2: squad or else.

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01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 9: Having a spot for an interesting evaluation, especially in the

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01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 9: league where luckily now you're in a place where you

2310
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:43,600
Speaker 9: feel like you have the quarterback for the moment. But

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01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,679
Speaker 9: I would always be looking for some kind of developmental talent,

2312
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,839
Speaker 9: you know, some kind of guy just to continue.

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01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 3: Was just talking about this on the Nowhere All Hill

2314
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 3: yesterday and I just looked at it. I mean, I

2315
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 3: saw the kid make some throws, and I don't think

2316
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 3: he's completely without the ability to pass. But we watched

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01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 3: I think it was twenty practices altogether. He almost never

2318
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 3: got any reps y. Yeah, so that told you that

2319
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,600
Speaker 3: they didn't really think, like, I don't know how that

2320
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 3: and some people, I'm not saying you guys fell into

2321
01:46:14,120 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 3: this character. I don't think you did. But some people

2322
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 3: were like, Wow, I'm really surprised they let him go

2323
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 3: so quickly. I'm like, they kind of told you what

2324
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 3: they thought about him all summer when he was watching.

2325
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 4: Especially those like the joint practices he got zero never

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01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 4: All right, we got a minute left.

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Speaker 2: Let's quickly get to some of our callers who have

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01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 2: been holding on. Justina, I believe in North Carolina. What's up, Hi?

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01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 12: I was just gonna say that you know, I love Evan,

2330
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 12: and I know he has a lot of is there

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01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 12: a background anyway? I know he's very knowledgeable, but I

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01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 12: just didn't appreciate I didn't appreciate them saying that he

2333
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 12: was a Nooo, I don't know if I took it

2334
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 12: wrong what And I'm appreciating it not taking it too hard.

2335
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 2: So you got Evan's bad bad Actually, Justina, Evan likes

2336
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 2: to be called to know it all because he believes

2337
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 2: he is, so people think.

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01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

2339
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 7: As an insight, I know your grandma defend you.

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01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 6: There.

2341
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 2: Wayne's in Pennsylvania, Hey, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne's world,

2342
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 2: Wayne's worlds gone. Wayne's all right? Sorry, Wayne, all right,

2343
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 2: Well that's gonna be it. That's gonna be it for

2344
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 2: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered, Catch twenty two.

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01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 4: This week tomorrow, eleven eleven to.

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Speaker 2: One, eleven to one tomorrow.

2347
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got some moving parts. Okay, we gotta find

2348
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 4: a time for Catch twenty and then we will be.

2349
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 2: Back on Thursday. You're gonna want to watch Thursday show

2350
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:59,719
Speaker 2: because you're gonna learn something new. I guarantee it, something

2351
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 2: in the way of something that people in this show,

2352
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 2: particularly our callers are always very very interested in so

2353
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 2: on Thursday the.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eighth, Yeah, can I clear my calendar make sure

2355
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 3: I'm here?

2356
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you am definitely going to want to tune

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01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 2: in on Thursday. Until then, thanks for listening today.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Alex.

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Speaker 4: Thanks a lot,