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Speaker 1: From the Chris Westley podcast studio What's around the NFL
Speaker 1: Dan hands us here got the heroes, Greg Rosehal and
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and it is officially a new year, same
Speaker 1: old show. Nothing's changed, for better or worse. This is
Speaker 1: the show. This is what we do, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: give you what you expect.
Speaker 3: This is the show right here. It's not about the football.
Speaker 3: It's just the guy's chopping it up.
Speaker 4: If you were hoping for changes, we made none, and
Speaker 4: there probably are a fair amount.
Speaker 1: Now if you want, if you want listeners, and please
Speaker 1: let us know, be whatever channels you can for us
Speaker 1: to pull like a radiohead and completely reinvent our sound
Speaker 1: in our second decade.
Speaker 2: We can try it. I just imagine it would. Maybe not.
Speaker 2: It's it's more likely that we do not produce you.
Speaker 1: Know, okay, computer, Yeah, it's more likely kid a doesn't it. Well,
Speaker 1: you're more likely to get amnesiac than kidd a, so
Speaker 1: be careful what you what you wish for.
Speaker 2: Not that there's anything wrong with amnesiac, but you know, I.
Speaker 4: Think we're being transparent, like our creative well spring is challenged.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know who else is being challenged right now?
Speaker 1: Eagles fans speak of happy birthday to Colleen Wolf. This
Speaker 1: would be the show she's typically on, but you know,
Speaker 1: we got to give Connie a little her space.
Speaker 2: Let Connie be Connie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you say, we say Summer of Connie, but
Speaker 1: it's really Connie's whole life is kind of a reality
Speaker 1: show that just doesn't have cameras around except for when
Speaker 1: she's connected to the NFL. So Connie's doing something for
Speaker 1: her birthday, so we just want to wish she's traveling.
Speaker 4: I thought she was like on a on an island
Speaker 4: or a fort place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna let Colleen be wherever she is and
Speaker 1: we wish you a happy birthday, Colleen. You're a great
Speaker 1: person and a great Eagles fan. So Connie, like so
Speaker 1: many other Eagles fans, absolutely a shot to the gut
Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve when you lose at home to
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and their whole season is now kind of
Speaker 1: upside down, and that means there's only one thing to do,
Speaker 1: Like how bad does this get? And that's why we're
Speaker 1: bringing back potentially the greatest segment we have. It's undefeated,
Speaker 1: certainly the one that has the most kind of respect
Speaker 1: inside and outside the industry.
Speaker 2: Flashpoint focus. Happy New Year to Sydney Carlson if she celebrates.
Speaker 3: Somebody say that is this too late for a flashpoint
Speaker 3: for the Eagles? They've been heading on a downward well
Speaker 3: that on tex Yes, well that was the sun. I
Speaker 3: suggested this one, trying to get the upgrade co producer credit,
Speaker 3: suggesting the second you know, this is two in a row,
Speaker 3: this could this change even more or that you know,
Speaker 3: could change in a in a way that the whole
Speaker 3: organization is different in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: He's so strange in some way. Some ways, Greg's a
Speaker 1: very strange man. He he wants, he so badly wants
Speaker 1: to be part of the brain trust on this project
Speaker 1: that he's thrown in that line that I've thought of
Speaker 1: the last two like that.
Speaker 3: Trying to be part of it.
Speaker 2: It's just like we.
Speaker 1: Are being nice to let let you feel involved on
Speaker 1: this because what Mark's instinct was was absolutely correct. If
Speaker 1: we did this after the Nick Sirianni is shouting at
Speaker 1: the Chiefs fan game, then it's a true flashpoint focus.
Speaker 1: So we're just kind of throwing you a little New
Speaker 1: Year's bone.
Speaker 3: Or that's the basic way to look at it, and
Speaker 3: we could see one of the most successful organizations in
Speaker 3: the entire NFL completely different in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: So and again, but it's still ahead.
Speaker 3: It's don't know, we're talking about the future of Syria.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Greg understands it, though. Mark the
Speaker 1: basic way, why why the Daggers?
Speaker 2: Always why?
Speaker 3: Good guy?
Speaker 2: That's the Greg experience, I believe, because.
Speaker 1: There is a way you're right, and the reason why
Speaker 1: it ends up getting greenlit and pushed through legislation is
Speaker 1: that if this is the beginning of something horrific within
Speaker 1: the you know, within Eagles Nation context.
Speaker 4: But there's a fair amount of pressure on Greg Ford,
Speaker 4: like disaster to strike the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Which is gotta I'm not looking for it. Think about that.
Speaker 3: I like this team because he loves the Eagles. He's
Speaker 3: got a buddy that works at.
Speaker 2: The team you do.
Speaker 4: He constantly he does Super Bowl dinners.
Speaker 1: Oh where's where's Greg? Oh he's with his Eagles buddy.
Speaker 1: So now, in a way, you're celebrating their dysfunction.
Speaker 3: I just say he works for They're in a fascinating
Speaker 3: place right now. And now let's bring it back to business.
Speaker 3: And I'm just a showman. You guys asked for a
Speaker 3: showmanship stirred up the pot, Well we haven't with my
Speaker 3: executive producers and with the show.
Speaker 2: Well you're doing great, you're doing great. What did we decide?
Speaker 2: He's the gaffer?
Speaker 4: I don need a gaffers, you know, belongs to a
Speaker 4: union and his actual skills gaffing.
Speaker 2: So I'm not all right.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the rest of run out of time
Speaker 3: before bow gets in here. We got a big guest.
Speaker 1: See now he's trying to run the show. Just take
Speaker 1: it easy, Greg, We're proud of you. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great segment today. We got a lot coming on.
Speaker 1: Here's what else is going on. We're entering week eighteen
Speaker 1: and it's not exactly a hot butt checking in the
Speaker 1: sense of like the preseason or even mid season.
Speaker 2: But let's just see who's where we're at.
Speaker 1: Where we're at, it's where they are and it could
Speaker 1: be coaches, GMS, coordinators, quarterbacks. Who has kind of the
Speaker 1: most at stake in these last the last dying breasts
Speaker 1: of the regular season. But first, as we always do,
Speaker 1: let's get caught up on the news.
Speaker 5: I've got controlled fury and I'm ready to go. I am,
Speaker 5: I'm absolutely ready to go. I don't go the other way.
Speaker 5: So and the team won't either. We're on a mission
Speaker 5: and we're not going to We're gonna feel sorry for
Speaker 5: ourselves and Walder and everything. We had plays to make,
Speaker 5: we didn't make them. And it's a tight game, a
Speaker 5: good opponent, playoff type atmosphere, and you got to make
Speaker 5: that that one extra play that we didn't and uh
Speaker 5: so we will use this as fuel. I got pure
Speaker 5: octane right now.
Speaker 2: I woke up.
Speaker 5: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I you know what, like the last I think it
Speaker 1: was Dave Cohen's is the last NBA player, coach, you
Speaker 1: can't tell me Campbell want to be somewhat efficient as
Speaker 1: a player with the intensity has He's obviously in great
Speaker 1: physical condition. I believe our lines defense that could probably
Speaker 1: need a couple more guys to get him over the
Speaker 1: hump and to hoist the trophy, get Campbell on the
Speaker 1: field for.
Speaker 2: The rest of the year.
Speaker 3: Problem with that, Dave Collen's great, great guy. The the
Speaker 3: hard knock stuff where Campbell couldn't he not move for
Speaker 3: two straight days because he was like bent over funny
Speaker 3: or something?
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting olds a bitch, But I just think, I
Speaker 1: mean he's awfully let's get to yes, he was initially
Speaker 1: is his head coaching journey. Dan Campbell began with the
Speaker 1: Dolphins when he replaced Joe Filban and the Dolphins, man,
Speaker 1: what a setback, and their head coach Mike McDaniel deserves
Speaker 1: a lot of scrutiny because Bradley Chubb, who is a
Speaker 1: huge difference maker on their defense, who is just kind
Speaker 1: of hitting the stride as the player who they thought
Speaker 1: they were getting in that big trade with Denver, He's
Speaker 1: done for the year because he tears his ACL late
Speaker 1: and the blowout loss to the Ravens, So you were
Speaker 1: going to now have to go the rest of the
Speaker 1: way without Chubb. They also are not going to have
Speaker 1: xaviing Howard on the field for this AFC East Championship
Speaker 1: game against the Bills. So this is obviously a big
Speaker 1: setback for this team. Greg What does Chubb do? What
Speaker 1: does he mean to their defense? How do they overcome
Speaker 1: his loss?
Speaker 3: He's their best ed rusher, He's having the best season
Speaker 3: I think of his career even better than any season
Speaker 3: he had in Denver. Maybe there was one early one,
Speaker 3: but the way he was coming on and essentially making
Speaker 3: you feel like, Okay, we lost Jalen Phillips, the top
Speaker 3: ten to twelve bed drusher in the league, but we
Speaker 3: still got a good enough group with the two defensive
Speaker 3: tackles and Chubb. And now Chubb's gone too, And uh, McDaniel,
Speaker 3: who's so forward thinking, so many things frustrated me with
Speaker 3: with the way he was playing his starters here, Like
Speaker 3: that's the number one thing when I when I run
Speaker 3: my team, the two things on my platform gonna be
Speaker 3: why are we Why are we going? No down this fiction,
Speaker 3: no road where you're now no time out? Well, no,
Speaker 3: this is more it's it's the front office. It's okay,
Speaker 3: it's I'm telling that the coaches will do no timeouts allowed.
Speaker 3: Just take in the for a delay, to avoid a
Speaker 3: delay a game, Just take the five yards, no timeouts,
Speaker 3: and uh, starters are not playing when you're down three
Speaker 3: scores or up three scores period in the final time.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it's like Mike, Mike McDaniel has been
Speaker 4: beyond critique because of all the positives. But Brandon Stalely
Speaker 4: a year ago, Mike Williams is in a game late
Speaker 4: and and they lose them for the playoffs, and and
Speaker 4: that was a huge we without Mike Williams, Like that's
Speaker 4: Chargers offense.
Speaker 1: Imagine the same thing. Like imagine Mike McCarthy's this with
Speaker 1: makeup parks. Absolutely people would be over the moon, maybe
Speaker 1: apoplectic about it, but you know.
Speaker 2: I'd you're doing it.
Speaker 1: Banked a lot of but he's banked a lot of
Speaker 1: good will for and for a good reason.
Speaker 2: But this is inexcusable that he was ever on the field.
Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel did acknowledge, like in so many words in
Speaker 4: the press conference, like yeah, it doesn't look good, like
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if you're the head coach
Speaker 4: sometimes like you can't take everyone out.
Speaker 3: The thing is every coach does this. It's it's very
Speaker 3: rare that this is a group think for all the
Speaker 3: coaches that I really think they get wrong in it.
Speaker 3: You really hurt for Chubb, whose career completely changed when
Speaker 3: he tore his ACL the first time, and it took
Speaker 3: him a long time to get back to where he was.
Speaker 3: I took really feel like it took him like three
Speaker 3: years and he got there and now this happened.
Speaker 1: But and you're right, Mark, you can't take everybody out,
Speaker 1: but you kind of can. But you got to take
Speaker 1: the stars out.
Speaker 4: You got the guys that are the You know, this
Speaker 4: stands out as like the true difference maker. And you
Speaker 4: know with the matchup coming up against Buffalo two has
Speaker 4: got a banged up shoulder. You don't have Howard. I mean,
Speaker 4: this could make a huge difference at the most critical time.
Speaker 1: Where does the where's the Vegas ad on that game?
Speaker 1: Because I part of me thinks Miami is going to
Speaker 1: be Are they at home?
Speaker 2: First of all? Where's that they are?
Speaker 3: I believe the Bills are favored by Miami.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to say it sound felt like
Speaker 1: that it would be in that zone. I like Miami's chances,
Speaker 1: but this is you cannot overlook how important Chubb is
Speaker 1: to their past rush and we'll see if they're able
Speaker 1: to overcome it. In other news, Mason Rudolph is going
Speaker 1: to continue as the starter of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2: Rudolph, who has.
Speaker 1: You know, been with the team for years and it
Speaker 1: kind of drifted into the deep background, but due to
Speaker 1: injuries and effectiveness with Kenny Pickett and then Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 1: He got his chance and they're playing well, winning the
Speaker 1: last two weeks, so Tomlin says he will remain the start,
Speaker 1: even with Kenny Pickett a bit available to play the
Speaker 1: former first round pick. So it's this is Rudolph's the
Speaker 1: biggest moment of his career coming up in Week eighteen
Speaker 1: against the Ravens.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Steelers offense was unwatchable wire to wire,
Speaker 4: even taking after taking Matt Cannaona out outside of one game,
Speaker 4: and incomes Rudolph throwing for two hundred and seventy four
Speaker 4: on Seattle two ninety against the Bengals, and I think
Speaker 4: it matters eleven yards forer attempt last. He's incredible, and
Speaker 4: he doesn't look like he looks at a completely different
Speaker 4: version of the player that we used to know. And
Speaker 4: George Pickens in two weeks has eleven catches, three hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty six yards and two touchdowns, and it matters
Speaker 4: how it's happening there. They have an explosive element of
Speaker 4: their passing game which was missing all year. Joe Blacko
Speaker 4: already has more touchdowns than Kenny picketted. Pickett like refused
Speaker 4: to throw touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Eleven yards per attempt, only one turnover.
Speaker 2: Try, but I think he finally refused.
Speaker 3: Yeah, intellectually feels it feels worth at least just noting
Speaker 3: because Kenny Pickett's being benched here very clearly, and he
Speaker 3: lost the job due to an injury, which is unfortunate,
Speaker 3: but he is being bench which is a big moment.
Speaker 3: I think when you're a quote unquote franchise quarterback, I
Speaker 3: think it raises absolutely fair questions about whether he's the quarterback.
Speaker 3: They're moving forward.
Speaker 1: You kind of get two years, and by the end
Speaker 1: of that second year, if it's not clicking, you are vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and pick It certainly is. It'll be interesting to see,
Speaker 1: no matter how this season ends, where they go because
Speaker 1: I don't think they see Mason Rudolph as the future.
Speaker 1: They like him obviously to have him around this song,
Speaker 1: but Pickett, you know, they just have not been able
Speaker 1: to get it going with him. Let's talk about ooh,
Speaker 1: big app for rest Stop wants to hit a little
Speaker 1: rest stop.
Speaker 2: You know, Restop has their layers.
Speaker 1: You can there could be too much rest, not enough rest,
Speaker 1: and then just the idea of guys not playing, which
Speaker 1: they call rest.
Speaker 4: And now he's taken over flashpoint like it's the pal
Speaker 4: The need for the external power is impressive.
Speaker 3: Well, you created this one.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I'm not m I'm just going down.
Speaker 3: I have no producer credit on this, just talent.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say you, definitely you. You were the
Speaker 1: motivation for this segment. And Christian McCaffrey out week eighteen
Speaker 1: for the Niners, they've already clinched everything. He was banged
Speaker 1: up last week. But I don't and it's serious. We'll
Speaker 1: find out down the road.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson unlikely to play as well for the Ravens.
Speaker 1: We'll see what else they choose to do. Baltimore's also
Speaker 1: clinched everything. We're gonna get to the Eagles in a second.
Speaker 1: But Nick Sirianni said he may sit his starters, which.
Speaker 3: Interesting because they have a chance to Yeah, what is
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 4: That kind of threw me.
Speaker 1: Is there a time element to that? No, everybody's playing
Speaker 1: pretty much at the same time, right.
Speaker 4: I mean they would need like that. I think your
Speaker 4: factor in like Saane the command.
Speaker 2: Let's save that.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a a major factor.
Speaker 2: And yeah, we mentioned Dan Campbell of course, Dan Campbell
Speaker 2: will play starters. You don't care.
Speaker 1: Campbell just wants to win ball games every single week.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: Man, Now, sometimes they say that early in the week
Speaker 3: and then you get to the end of the week
Speaker 3: and you hear, Okay, it's a plan. We're gonna play
Speaker 3: Jared Goffer two drives. Maybe not. I believe Vegas thinks
Speaker 3: they're playing. This is always a very strange Vegas week.
Speaker 3: I put the words in that Lamar is probably not playing,
Speaker 3: just based on the tone of what John Harbas said,
Speaker 3: but he didn't actually say anything. And that really will
Speaker 3: help the Steelers. Those Darren Steelers, they're gonna sneak in somehow,
Speaker 3: I mean not even somehow. They just need they just
Speaker 3: need out of credit, need the Dolphins to win, and
Speaker 3: they need to beat the backup Ravens, which isn't a guarantee.
Speaker 3: Sometimes those backups go ahead and win the game. There
Speaker 3: It's happened before to the Steelers. In fact, there's this
Speaker 3: like the.
Speaker 4: Debate around the resting thing too with the with the
Speaker 4: Ravens specifically, is like they've done this before and it
Speaker 4: ended up poorly in the playoffs. And I remember, like
Speaker 4: those old Peyton Manning teams that one time they sat
Speaker 4: everyone and lost like the final Sunday night game to
Speaker 4: the Titans or something like that. It prevented the Browns
Speaker 4: team that had won ten games from going to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: and so I always sort of hated that move. And
Speaker 4: I think there was the year that the Bengals sat
Speaker 4: everyone against the Jets. The Jets got into the playoffs,
Speaker 4: played them the next week and thumped them. So it's
Speaker 4: like this stuff does matter, but I don't know if
Speaker 4: it matters with this rat It's not specifically more attuned
Speaker 4: to this Ravens team.
Speaker 3: And the one Colts team with Manning that finally got
Speaker 3: through is not a great Colts team. They had to
Speaker 3: play wild card weekend. They were a top two seed.
Speaker 1: And finally in the news, the Jets wave Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: the running back who signed for a fair amount of
Speaker 1: money right before the start of the season from the Vikings.
Speaker 1: He was seen as another piece of a potential championship
Speaker 1: run for my team.
Speaker 2: Not the case. He gone, He.
Speaker 1: Asked out, and the Jets said, all right, necessarily, if
Speaker 1: you can, if you can, if you can find someone
Speaker 1: that wants to pick you up and maybe go for
Speaker 1: a playoff run. Tom Pelserro reported this and added, the
Speaker 1: dynamic playmaker has quote fresh legs after minimal usage in
Speaker 1: New York and can now compete.
Speaker 2: Is that a report? Do we know that the dynamic
Speaker 2: playmaker has fresh legs? That?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's refutable, But it did come from
Speaker 1: an insider, So.
Speaker 2: Take that as fallible and fallible.
Speaker 3: I believe he has the most carries and it's not
Speaker 3: that many this year. What does he got sixty seven
Speaker 3: of any running back that has not broken a fifteen
Speaker 3: yard gain? Yeah, so just that would refute it somewhat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that.
Speaker 4: That someone's going to need like a running back to
Speaker 4: be kidnapped by a van.
Speaker 3: It could go. Actually this he's not a crazy pickup
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys at all. I think one of the
Speaker 3: reasons they don't are you guys.
Speaker 2: You guys know how it goes with my team.
Speaker 1: He's going to get picked up by someone and he
Speaker 1: is going to be a major factor in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and we're all going to have a great old laugh
Speaker 1: about it all across the.
Speaker 4: They got on the money part of a big that
Speaker 4: is good for the Jets, a.
Speaker 2: Good old laugh.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to have when Dalvin Cook rushes for one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight yards and three touchdowns for some team,
Speaker 1: and Jack.
Speaker 3: I think, I don't think you're getting those laughs. You're
Speaker 3: getting the laughs from the Cook. I thought that was
Speaker 3: a good move, and with three weeks I no longer
Speaker 3: thought it was a good move.
Speaker 1: He was not moving very well. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in news. Mark, Come on now,
Speaker 1: I know you root for a successful team now, but
Speaker 1: this is how it goes This is how it goes it.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if everyone hates your team
Speaker 4: at that much.
Speaker 2: I don't want to laugh.
Speaker 1: About hating the team. But just the Jets are fun
Speaker 1: to laugh at. I can concede that. And that's this is.
Speaker 4: Right, And I would say this is less This is
Speaker 4: less gag worthy than some of the stuff that's occurred
Speaker 4: to them this season.
Speaker 1: By the way, Greg, I was during our rest stop app,
Speaker 1: which was a good app.
Speaker 2: I thought, good app of restop.
Speaker 1: I like to tag the rest stop with yeah, when
Speaker 1: we get off the rest stop and get back on
Speaker 1: the high.
Speaker 4: Stuff that I contributed to it as well to staring
Speaker 4: I I appreciate it. Well, what happens? What happens when
Speaker 4: I do that?
Speaker 3: You get a little royalty check?
Speaker 1: Is the rest stop drop on? Like page nine? I
Speaker 1: always feel like we're waiting for the rest stop for.
Speaker 2: A little, a little too long. There it is.
Speaker 3: That Finn's producers. It's one of the ones where it's
Speaker 3: it's not there's a point I can't fit it in.
Speaker 3: I don't want to jump on you guys, and you
Speaker 3: know I don't.
Speaker 1: Drop it in there, okay, because the rest stop needs
Speaker 1: it's mechanics.
Speaker 4: I think one of these shows one of us should
Speaker 4: like sit there on the soundboard, and.
Speaker 2: That's coming this off season. Rick and I are switching.
Speaker 4: Sounds like an absolute night bear.
Speaker 1: I've done it before. We've done that before. I've been
Speaker 1: behind the glass once before. Well do you not recall that?
Speaker 4: I don't recall our show from Sunday night, So I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, I've been thinking about it, Greg, and you're right.
Speaker 1: You have been putting in the work on Flashpoint Focus
Speaker 1: and it's your You're due for promotion. And I'm looking
Speaker 1: I looked up on Wikipedia Television crew and I think,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: Mark, Coordinating Producer.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that sounds like broad You could sell that
Speaker 4: to your friends.
Speaker 2: That's good when when any way you want when.
Speaker 3: You get the CP title here, that's a nice promotion
Speaker 3: for a lot of great, young, hardworking producers at the NFL.
Speaker 2: So that's a nice you think or line, producer, what
Speaker 2: do you think that was good? I'll let you decide.
Speaker 1: I'll think about that. Okay, get back to us at
Speaker 1: the end of the year. I don't like Greg's tone
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 2: In general.
Speaker 4: I feel that too around this whole Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 4: of what I'm inclined to go to start them lower,
Speaker 4: just to get, you know, really get that experience from
Speaker 4: the should we the floor?
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: So maybe we should bust them down to supervising producer.
Speaker 2: That sounds more.
Speaker 3: My one IMDb credit right now calls me additional crew.
Speaker 2: On the and that feels good.
Speaker 3: I had a Bravo non hit significant others.
Speaker 1: Let's start there. I love that crew. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna bust you down to additional crew. But it's also
Speaker 1: a jump up from assistant to the gaffers. So we
Speaker 1: tell them you're an ac let ayc All right, let's
Speaker 1: by the way before we get to our buddy bo
Speaker 1: wolf Uh covering the Eagles and doing a great job
Speaker 1: at all Philly dot Com. Let's do a little hot
Speaker 1: butt check in entering week eighteen. Where do we want
Speaker 1: to start. We'll start with the coaches. I just want
Speaker 1: to just to kind of get this where it needs
Speaker 1: to be. There's only one absolute Connor right, it's Ron right,
Speaker 1: like he's the one that is either it happens right
Speaker 1: after the games on Sunday, or it's the first name
Speaker 1: you hear on Black Monday, like he's the only one left.
Speaker 1: Because we've lost a few coaches already. You can over
Speaker 1: on three gone. That would be Reich, that would be.
Speaker 2: Brint and Stalely Staley, and that would be Josh McDaniel.
Speaker 1: So those guys who felt like Black Monday gunners were
Speaker 1: already kicked to the curb. And I think Rivera is
Speaker 1: the last one standing that you know has got Is
Speaker 1: there anyone else starting with the coaches here that you
Speaker 1: guys are pretty confident are gone or things calmed down
Speaker 1: a little bit where there's no one else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was writing these down and thinking the over
Speaker 3: unders now maybe six and a half, which is normal,
Speaker 3: Maybe even lower than average, So we're only to four
Speaker 3: there with Rivera. Belichick to me, feels all but certain.
Speaker 3: I would be very surprise. I know there's been some
Speaker 3: talk in recent weeks of what he would accept bill
Speaker 3: in terms of restructure and who's picking the players. I
Speaker 3: just don't see it. I just think it's been going
Speaker 3: this way the whole time, and I do think he's
Speaker 3: close to a definite.
Speaker 4: That decision. Feels like we'll learn that it was. There's
Speaker 4: been reporting to suggest like this was already gonna happen.
Speaker 4: They knew, So I'm with you on that. You know,
Speaker 4: there was some positive stuff around Arthur Smith, but if
Speaker 4: they were to flatline this week too, like you were
Speaker 4: saying on Sunday night, maybe the owner makes a change
Speaker 4: there because what is the vision.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a coach off right there, Dennis Allen versus
Speaker 3: Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2: I was thinking.
Speaker 1: We said at mid season, when we did a hot
Speaker 1: butt check in our first one of the year, that
Speaker 1: the entire NFC South fell up for grabs and then
Speaker 1: Wright goes, So there's one gone. I think Bowles is
Speaker 1: safe just because they have had really sustained levels of
Speaker 1: success this year.
Speaker 3: This lis is to the Panthers.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean, So I wouldn't say he's in
Speaker 2: the clear.
Speaker 1: I think Bowles is certainly on the bubble entering week eighteen.
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith and Dennis Allen, if they're not, they should
Speaker 1: Dan Steve Wisher, you know, used to work with the Falcons,
Speaker 1: like he's plugged in. He was very confident a few
Speaker 1: weeks back that Smith was staying.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if.
Speaker 1: Something has changed with Arthur Blank, the owner, since the
Speaker 1: we did get that NPR reporting on Blank. If you
Speaker 1: recall a couple weeks.
Speaker 4: Which I thought was strong, very strong, I mean directly
Speaker 4: from the owner journalist.
Speaker 3: I called it, well, they lost by twenty Old.
Speaker 2: Fox gentlemen, just getting the info.
Speaker 3: They lost by twenty to that. Since then they've lost
Speaker 3: by twenty to the Bears, and I'm not I can't
Speaker 3: remember if he was on the show before or after
Speaker 3: they lost to the Panthers. But then losing if it's
Speaker 3: let's say, a bad loss to the Saints. Here, you're
Speaker 3: seven and ten. You're not improving your win loss in
Speaker 3: your three seasons. Your third season is supposed to be
Speaker 3: when the Vision comes to the war. Here is their
Speaker 3: rank in overall efficiency. According to the EUA, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be gross first year, his first year thirtieth. Okay, he
Speaker 3: took over a tough situation. Second year nineteenth, nice improvement,
Speaker 3: third year twenty eighth. You're the fifth worst team in
Speaker 3: the NFL right now and in your third year.
Speaker 4: And packed into that was this idea that you were
Speaker 4: going to develop Desmond Ridder and you know a lot
Speaker 4: of suspicion around that to begin with, but you're an
Speaker 4: offensive coach. That didn't happen. And I would argue these days,
Speaker 4: like with Mike McDaniel, with Sean McVay, like it isn't
Speaker 4: three year rebuilding plans. It happens quick with some teams.
Speaker 4: It just happens. And I mean, I thought we were
Speaker 4: more on the Arthur Smith thing than made sense looking
Speaker 4: back now, but it seemed like they were gonna flip
Speaker 4: the switch and you get Bjean Robinson and like they're unwatchable.
Speaker 3: To me, they're worse than their record indicates. They could
Speaker 3: be very easily be a five or a four win
Speaker 3: team right with a harder schedule, Which.
Speaker 2: Are the Smiths like, well that we're not because the coaching.
Speaker 3: Or because you had the easiest schedule ever, But losing
Speaker 3: to the Saint on the flip side, like I know,
Speaker 3: Dennis sounds supposed to be safe. Now they're coming off
Speaker 3: a big game, But if it does flips and you
Speaker 3: get swept by the Falcons, your biggest rivalry, your rival
Speaker 3: and your home and the booing, I don't know, it.
Speaker 1: Might seem strange, so to base to base one Sunday
Speaker 1: on such a huge personnel and team decision. But with
Speaker 1: these guys, I think they're right on the bleeding edge.
Speaker 1: By the way, NPR PBS coverage a joint coverage of
Speaker 1: NFL personnel movement.
Speaker 2: You know what, I would call it, no frills, hard
Speaker 2: hitting journalists.
Speaker 4: Well that's what it is. So it's that's yeah, and
Speaker 4: you know we always respect that.
Speaker 1: Also, I'm gonna put a name out there, Well, Mike
Speaker 1: Rabel's floating. We could talk about him, but I really
Speaker 1: think it's and this one feels more silly. And I
Speaker 1: was on this last week Antonio Pierce. I think with
Speaker 1: the Raiders and with the that particular owner, I almost
Speaker 1: feel like that's gonna decide who do they have in
Speaker 1: Week eighteen?
Speaker 3: The Raiders, they have the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the home against the Broncos in a game
Speaker 1: that means nothing in terms of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I kind of get the feeling Mark Davis.
Speaker 1: Is gonna make his decision at head coach based on
Speaker 1: the like the result of that game.
Speaker 4: I think so too, And I think like there's an
Speaker 4: argument for Antonio Pierce compared to what they were before him.
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of it is like the
Speaker 4: literal owners said, like I kind of I should have
Speaker 4: hired Basaccia after what he did, So it also doesn't
Speaker 4: mean you should. They're not all equal, and like Mark
Speaker 4: Davis has done a lot of things that would make
Speaker 4: you shake.
Speaker 3: You here, he's four and four. This would put him
Speaker 3: at five and four. They've been good at home where
Speaker 3: they really have a nice a nice crowd, there, a
Speaker 3: nice rate rate players love. Yeah. I think you're right,
Speaker 3: Dan that this could emotionally, we just have seen it
Speaker 3: so many times. So he's someone I think that could
Speaker 3: come or go depending on this game.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Moving to quarterbacks, I think, uh, oh, I have I
Speaker 3: have one ahead. Well, we can talk Siriani with yes,
Speaker 3: but but that was part of the reason I had.
Speaker 2: I got a triple question.
Speaker 3: Mark where they question Okay, like Fluce, you know, ebra
Speaker 3: flus feels safe. You know they're playing the Packers in
Speaker 3: all these games, like if you got blown out, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: if you got blown out at the end of your season,
Speaker 3: that this Kuldiberflusco. And then I think the name I
Speaker 3: haven't seen out there a lot is is Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3: They have one of the worst defenses in the league
Speaker 3: they've had They've a bottom five defense. Uh, he's a
Speaker 3: defensive coach. They've had a below average defense for seven
Speaker 3: straight years. If they lost back to back games to
Speaker 3: the Steelers and the Cardinals to lose the season and
Speaker 3: you're just stuck in the middle again, it's very confusing
Speaker 3: what the ownership situation is there. When things were getting
Speaker 3: a little thorty four weeks ago, there were some whispers
Speaker 3: about Schneider and Carrol maybe not on the same page
Speaker 3: and like some pointing fingers. So they I just don't
Speaker 3: lose to the Cardinals. I feel like they could very
Speaker 3: well lose to the Cardinals. If you lose to the Cardinals,
Speaker 3: I think maybe anything is on the table.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, but again, that's why I don't some
Speaker 1: of this is hard for me to wrap my head
Speaker 1: around that.
Speaker 6: I'm so.
Speaker 1: Ago, and I think Pete he's still got the he
Speaker 1: has a track record, he's still youthful, at least in
Speaker 1: spirit and in body. And I think that, uh, if
Speaker 1: you've give him better players on defense and maybe.
Speaker 3: And they've spent so many.
Speaker 1: Schneider, don't fire Carol because I think he's a good
Speaker 1: head coach. Give him better players, and maybe maybe we're
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 4: Hire someone better too, like it depends to because development.
Speaker 3: I hear all that, but I just think when you're
Speaker 3: a defensive coach and you just don't have answers and
Speaker 3: there's two guys in your divisions who hand it to
Speaker 3: you four times a year, and you're kind of using
Speaker 3: stale thinking because you can say, get better players. Who
Speaker 3: is the draft picks, free agency? They've spent a lot
Speaker 3: on that defense to be really bad, that's all right.
Speaker 2: How about a defensive coordinator that you let him call the.
Speaker 3: Play rotating through like yeah, they have been, they've all
Speaker 3: rotating through. They've fired three or four because their defense
Speaker 3: have been bad different locations. I think it's it's one
Speaker 3: to throw out there.
Speaker 4: What if if the Bills got blown out by Miami
Speaker 4: and then there's a bunch of negative energy and stuff happened.
Speaker 4: Sean McDermott one safe, I don't think so. I think
Speaker 4: Sean McDermott is someone I'm just saying, like if like
Speaker 4: all these teams were talking about and we'll get it
Speaker 4: into the Eagles. A month ago, everything with the Eagles
Speaker 4: was looking wonderful and and Nick Sirianni was this guy
Speaker 4: that everyone from Philly responds to, X, Y and Z,
Speaker 4: and like McDermott had that one little incident, like he's
Speaker 4: been great overall, but it's almost like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: These things always sort of end badly.
Speaker 1: They just want their tenth game. I would say he's
Speaker 1: ninety eight percent safe.
Speaker 4: It seems like it's super surprise to me if it
Speaker 4: would happen, but like I feel like we get one
Speaker 4: of these surprises.
Speaker 2: It also just that's.
Speaker 3: Why I want to Like Carol, I was trying to
Speaker 3: think of who would be a surprise, and he would
Speaker 3: make sense to me if again, if they lose, and
Speaker 3: I kind of think they're gonna lose. Wink Martindale. By
Speaker 3: the way, just as a coordinator, I do feel like
Speaker 3: this will be his final game after that Glazier report
Speaker 3: and pretty lackluster performed.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Joe Barry is probably finally coaching his final
Speaker 1: games with the Packers, but we'll see how the end
Speaker 1: of their season goes. Yeah, I'll throw a quarterback out
Speaker 1: there justin Fields like how the year ends for Fields.
Speaker 1: I think he's already put enough on tape in the
Speaker 1: back end of the season in my opinion that they
Speaker 1: should keep riding with him. But with the fans calling
Speaker 1: for him to stay and with player the locker room backing,
Speaker 1: they want Fields back if he has a big game
Speaker 1: to close the season, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like the Bear's gonna have a
Speaker 2: hard time going in a different direction.
Speaker 4: I think they're having a hard time because there's the
Speaker 4: fan base would be split on that. But if the
Speaker 4: entire football community like falls head over heels about one
Speaker 4: of the rookie quarterbacks, which happens if they will Yeah,
Speaker 4: So it's more like you're just wayhing a ver sp So.
Speaker 3: That's you know, Kate, Caleb Williams and maybe Drake may
Speaker 3: are gonna be viewed as as the best quarterbacks to
Speaker 3: come out Sint Lawrence maybe like three, you know, two
Speaker 3: or three years. That level to pass on him for Fields,
Speaker 3: But I'm with you that this week it's so fascinating.
Speaker 3: They are really and we'll talk about it Thursday, but
Speaker 3: they're really set up the exact same way the Lions
Speaker 3: were a week ago heading into week seventeen, where they've
Speaker 3: had a ton of momentum. In this case, it's a
Speaker 3: defensive coach whose defense is playing well and the offense
Speaker 3: is also playing better. And if they beat the Packers
Speaker 3: to knock the Packers out of the playoffs in the
Speaker 3: final week, I agree, it's I think it's gonna be difficult,
Speaker 3: very hard for them jump off that that feeling, and
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: It would be.
Speaker 1: It would be an incredible situation for the Bears to
Speaker 1: be in because even if you don't think Fields is
Speaker 1: the messiah that like when he was drafted and they
Speaker 1: were all getting excited about it, and rightfully so, if
Speaker 1: he's just merely good, you have this incredible leverage of
Speaker 1: having the number one overall pick, after having the bounty
Speaker 1: that you picked up from the Panthers last you can
Speaker 1: do it again with another team desperate for that number
Speaker 1: one pick, and you could really.
Speaker 3: Right and you building free and like take one of
Speaker 3: the receivers and get a bunch of.
Speaker 1: If they play this right, if they decide they like
Speaker 1: Fields and then play it right with in terms of
Speaker 1: the trading of the picks and who they take, they
Speaker 1: are a potential juggernaut.
Speaker 2: They're not far away from that happening.
Speaker 4: One of the greatest like oral history like long forms
Speaker 4: I read, was when Cleveland talked themselves into not drafting
Speaker 4: Big Ben because they were obsessed with the fact that
Speaker 4: they had signed Jeff Garcia and free agency.
Speaker 2: So it's like the other side of it is.
Speaker 4: That Fields just stays him and then the GM us
Speaker 4: to sit there and be like, it's my name. If
Speaker 4: we don't go get like the clear cut number one
Speaker 4: first overall pick just because we can add assets around
Speaker 4: justin Fields.
Speaker 2: That has to work.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a fascinating philosophia that has to work
Speaker 3: either way.
Speaker 2: It has to work, right, Yeah, but I know what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 3: It's a fascinating philosophical discussion, which we'll be having for months,
Speaker 3: I guess. But it's like a cost controlled quarterback and field.
Speaker 3: So you kind of know, now he's going into year
Speaker 3: four and five, you could pick up the option and
Speaker 3: it's still pretty low money, and let's realistically put him
Speaker 3: somewhere if we're even being a little generous in the
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins Ryan Tannehill not style wise, but maybe you're
Speaker 3: not a top ten quarterback for most of your career,
Speaker 3: but you're sort of on the edge of it and
Speaker 3: you're better than average. Like let's I kind of think
Speaker 3: that's where fields is and where's.
Speaker 1: But he also has the skills he has could get better,
Speaker 1: Josh Allent skill set, right.
Speaker 3: He could get better. I just mean like the level,
Speaker 3: like if you're quarterback ten to twelve or would you
Speaker 3: rather have the number one overall quarterback in that contract
Speaker 3: and everything?
Speaker 1: And I think it matters that he They said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go get you a big time wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: then DJ Moore came here and was absolutely as advertised
Speaker 1: and it has been a big time star for them.
Speaker 1: So he's shown give me guys and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna produce.
Speaker 4: Jaymore was like, why are we talking about getting a
Speaker 4: different quarterback?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna put Dj across from Marvin Harrison's
Speaker 1: son and we are cook it.
Speaker 2: That's it. I'll stop.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Bears fins are on that
Speaker 1: page though, doesn't mean it's the right one though.
Speaker 2: Fans like mistakes all the time in judgment, No they don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, we'll just skipped guys at the bar, all right.
Speaker 2: Any other player, by the way.
Speaker 4: Well, the only yeah this is this is a mid
Speaker 4: level quarterback who's like a fringe starter. But like a
Speaker 4: week ago, like the Baker Mayfield thing was working in Tampa,
Speaker 4: a team that doesn't they're not in position go get
Speaker 4: a number one overall pick, and there was like there
Speaker 4: was reporting around the fact that there was mutual interest
Speaker 4: on both sides, coming from an age and coming from
Speaker 4: someone of the team.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 4: But like after last week talking about like two weeks
Speaker 4: could change things, totally flat lining against the Saints and
Speaker 4: then if they were ever to lose to the Panthers,
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, we're looking for a new quarterback and
Speaker 4: a new a lot of things at that point.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Maybe a new head coach, maybe a new GM, maybe
Speaker 1: a new quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's Mark.
Speaker 1: I know you're under the weather, but I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up, because they are a team in flux.
Speaker 3: It is crazy against a Panthers. I mean it shouldn't matter,
Speaker 3: but I think you're absolutely right. And then if he
Speaker 3: plays pretty well, you know that you make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: You maybe play well in the playoffs for a game. Heck,
Speaker 3: they may. They may play too because they're playing the Eagles.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a random name here. How about a
Speaker 3: Rams defensive tackle Kobe Turner. Oh, who's Kobe Turner. He's
Speaker 3: someone that's not even listed Randel. It's one of the
Speaker 3: top six possible players for Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 3: This man has nine sacks.
Speaker 4: It half in the last time.
Speaker 3: The pressures he has I was looking him versus Carter.
Speaker 3: He has more pressures than Jalen Carter. I think defensive
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year should be much more wide open
Speaker 3: than it is in Vegas, where it's Carter has a
Speaker 3: pretty decent sized favorite. And then Weatherspoon is in there
Speaker 3: for the Seahawks. Turner is there at the PFF grade,
Speaker 3: the the pressures, everything lines up. He needs that I
Speaker 3: think gets some media momentum and maybe you have another
Speaker 3: sack or two.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But man, like a defensive interior guy getting ten or
Speaker 3: eleven sacks that that would be nice going draftok of
Speaker 3: the Year.
Speaker 4: Eighty ninth overall, I mean you want less their draft class.
Speaker 2: Good job, man, he's had a year and Seany McVay.
Speaker 2: They are building that thing on the fly, all right.
Speaker 2: Any others that's.
Speaker 3: It, they're not gonna play. I would say you, Kobe,
Speaker 3: be nice for Kate Garrett, Kobe Turnan.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the value that you bring Greg so
Speaker 1: much value. But the drop of Kobe Turner's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about the quarterbacks, but there's all so a
Speaker 1: nose tackle no one's.
Speaker 2: Paying attention to then eighteen Yeah, it's like all on
Speaker 2: the line. What is he? Where's he at?
Speaker 3: Defensive tackle? I guess the kind of like one moving
Speaker 3: around a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, But yeah, why do you have to correct me?
Speaker 2: Just let that one go.
Speaker 1: Nobody would have known, maybe like bo Wolf would have known,
Speaker 1: like ninety nine point what eight percent of people would
Speaker 1: have been like, oh, nose tackle.
Speaker 2: That's right. Well, now you've made a fool of me
Speaker 2: on the show. Thank you.
Speaker 4: We're not going to be able to come back from
Speaker 4: that easily.
Speaker 2: What we're going to bust them down for that? You're
Speaker 2: an intern again. I'm sorry. We got to take it. No, No,
Speaker 2: no additional crew.
Speaker 1: What did we decide additional crew in ac additional cur
Speaker 1: That's that's what they give me for like driving the
Speaker 1: direct your executive producer to target for to pick up things. No,
Speaker 1: you're way more valuable than that flash point focus and
Speaker 1: we're going to get to it.
Speaker 2: Count up after the.
Speaker 6: Break path might be harder, but shoot, you know, like
Speaker 6: I said, our goals are ahead of us. We got
Speaker 6: to get fixed, and we got to get him fixed fast.
Speaker 6: We're not where we want to be right yet as
Speaker 6: far as you know how we're playing right now, but
Speaker 6: and how we're coaching right now. But we got time
Speaker 6: to get it fixed and we'll get to work. Back
Speaker 6: to work tonight and tomorrow.
Speaker 2: MM.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Nick Sirianne, WHOA the Philadelphia Eagles started ten
Speaker 1: to one, but I've lost four and four or five
Speaker 1: coming apart at the seams. It seems this year inconsistent
Speaker 1: on offense, defense has turned into a mess with Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia being tasked to fix things up.
Speaker 2: So that tells you a lot.
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna be joined by a guest who
Speaker 1: knows this team as well as anyone who's been on
Speaker 1: the show before a friend of the show. Now with
Speaker 1: Allphilly dot com a l l P h l y
Speaker 1: dot com covering the Eagles, it's Bow Wolf Bow, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 8: I got to say the last time I was on,
Speaker 8: the first time was was I was on paternity leave
Speaker 8: after the birth of my daughter. This was twenty twenty,
Speaker 8: so you know, eagles despair cells, I guess, but I
Speaker 8: gotta I gotta thank you guys, because you know, we all,
Speaker 8: we all like measure time in different ways. I look
Speaker 8: at my daughter growing into the you know, the dynamo
Speaker 8: she is today, you know, you know, just this this
Speaker 8: force of nature, and all of that time, three years
Speaker 8: and two months or so, it's been in the back
Speaker 8: of my mind.
Speaker 7: Am I on the hit it and quit it one
Speaker 7: and done with. I can be a more present father.
Speaker 2: You are definitely not now.
Speaker 3: We just needed the egos to start. H I left
Speaker 3: falling apart.
Speaker 1: I'm picturing bo like all these great milestones of having
Speaker 1: a young child, and you're just and your wife's there
Speaker 1: and you're just looking off into the middle distance during
Speaker 1: first birthdays and all these Christmas and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: wondering will they call again?
Speaker 8: Now you're there, my my, maybe my resolution should have
Speaker 8: been to be a more present father, and you guys
Speaker 8: are giving me that now because now I can put
Speaker 8: that to bed.
Speaker 4: Well, it's yeah, that's what we do to help you
Speaker 4: know our guests, and you are you're back on a
Speaker 4: second visit, so you're a good guest.
Speaker 1: And Bo, just I took a big hits in my
Speaker 1: integrity at the end of the last segment with the
Speaker 1: whole Kobe Turner nose tackle debacle.
Speaker 2: You have a connection to Turner. I understand.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I figured you were doing that on purpose.
Speaker 8: We're doing wake Forest here, we got we gotta go.
Speaker 8: Deek's conversation. Greg Dortch lights up the Eagles last week.
Speaker 8: We can just make that the whole segment.
Speaker 7: If you want.
Speaker 2: And you knew that he wasn't a nose tackle.
Speaker 7: Right, well, of course, you know, all good Demon Deacons
Speaker 7: know that.
Speaker 2: Damn it, damnit.
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan knows. All right, let's talk Eagles, Let's do it.
Speaker 1: What's going on? What the hell, as Vince Lombardi once said,
Speaker 1: what the hell's going on out there?
Speaker 2: Is this team?
Speaker 1: And they were someone who's asked I wish I could
Speaker 1: remember who it is right now? Is the team still
Speaker 1: believe in the direction of the head coach? And and
Speaker 1: it was answered in a way like, don't even bring
Speaker 1: that up. Do you feel like there's something internally building
Speaker 1: when this team that could potentially blow How bad is
Speaker 1: it right now.
Speaker 2: With the Eagles?
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 8: And I think the thing that like gave that all
Speaker 8: away was the decision to you know, fire but not
Speaker 8: fire Sean Decai in favor of Matt Patricia. I mean,
Speaker 8: there's a there's a saying that Fletcher Cox likes to say,
Speaker 8: which he's he's shared with us on our on our podcast,
Speaker 8: which is the commer. You are the commer, we are, right,
Speaker 8: And so like longevity wise, keeping the temperature of the
Speaker 8: team wise, you want a guy who's who's sort of steady,
Speaker 8: And that decision at that point in the season when yeah,
Speaker 8: you came off two blowout losses to the Niners and Cowboys,
Speaker 8: and there's some understanding that you know, maybe they were
Speaker 8: looking at that decision at some point during the bye week,
Speaker 8: but to go from Sean Decai, keep him around and
Speaker 8: sort of like do the embarrassing thing of you know,
Speaker 8: making him be on TV upstairs, and then bring in
Speaker 8: Matt Patricia, who does not have a great track record
Speaker 8: as a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7: He's not calling this defense, and you.
Speaker 8: Set it up so that, okay, he gets to play
Speaker 8: Drew Locke, and then you know Tommy Cutlets and then
Speaker 8: this Cardinals team that's very bad and okay, the defense
Speaker 8: should look better, and then they come out and put
Speaker 8: out like the worst defensive performance of the season against
Speaker 8: the Cardinals. They give up four touchdowns on those four
Speaker 8: second half possessions.
Speaker 7: Like, I think there is I think there is some rot.
Speaker 8: And you think about, like why that decision would have
Speaker 8: been made, right, Is it either Sirianni, you know, being
Speaker 8: a little bit defensive about what is going on with
Speaker 8: the team and thinking that he has to make a change.
Speaker 8: Is it the input of Howie Roseman or Jeffy Leurry,
Speaker 8: people from above?
Speaker 7: Whatever. The answer is, neither is suggestive of longevity.
Speaker 8: And so I don't think that that means that, you know,
Speaker 8: Nick Sirianni is definitely on the hot seat when the
Speaker 8: season is over.
Speaker 7: But I think if you look at some of the
Speaker 7: like the body.
Speaker 8: Language stuff that goes on on the sidelines and some
Speaker 8: of the conversations that are being had about the predictability
Speaker 8: of the offense, and you think back to the decision
Speaker 8: that you know, Jeffy Leary made to move on from
Speaker 8: Doug Peterson after twenty twenty. What he said was like,
Speaker 8: deserve has nothing to do with this. It's it's like,
Speaker 8: how do we move forward? And so like Nick Sirianni
Speaker 8: deserves to still be the head coach of the team
Speaker 8: based on how good he has been over the course
Speaker 8: of three years. But if they don't get the answers
Speaker 8: that they want at the end of the season, and
Speaker 8: certainly they know more about the dynamics in the locker
Speaker 8: room than we do, then like, knowing the history of
Speaker 8: this organization, I don't think it's insane.
Speaker 3: Wow, I was fascinated. It was a couple weeks back
Speaker 3: bo you guys. I think it was after their second
Speaker 3: straight loss. You guys even then on your podcast titled
Speaker 3: the pod something like should Sirianni be on the hot seat?
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa pho, I go it all hot
Speaker 3: take like, wip over there you and Zach Well.
Speaker 7: I will share with you, Zach, Zach. You know my partner,
Speaker 7: Zach Erman.
Speaker 8: He did not like that and I can't any later, right, well,
Speaker 8: And the idea was to indulge the worst case scenario,
Speaker 8: and at that point, like the worst case scenario was
Speaker 8: like there's no way they're going to lose three of
Speaker 8: the next four. But then they lose to the Seahawks
Speaker 8: and the Cardinals, and you see the way that things
Speaker 8: have gone. I sort of the way that I framed
Speaker 8: it is that like this season has been like they
Speaker 8: are speed running the post twenty seventeen collapse and so
Speaker 8: like the first third of the season was like the
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen season, when they were still good, getting by
Speaker 8: on winning close games and like a borderline of contender.
Speaker 8: The middle part of the season was like twenty nineteen
Speaker 8: when they were relying on all these old guys and
Speaker 8: like just okay enough to make the playoffs. And then
Speaker 8: the twenty twenty season was like doubling down on all
Speaker 8: these people who brought them input in the coaching staff,
Speaker 8: all of this turmoil, and all of a sudden things
Speaker 8: blow up. So you know, my sense is like most
Speaker 8: of the players in the locker room still like Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 8: I think there is enough of a track record of
Speaker 8: him being a very good coach, Like I think he
Speaker 8: has been an underrated coach for the first two years
Speaker 8: of his career. I don't think he gets enough credit
Speaker 8: for what he did last year. But like the I
Speaker 8: think the long term concern with Nick was like all
Speaker 8: of the highs and lows, is that something that is
Speaker 8: going to last for a long time we're seeing right now?
Speaker 7: Is that working? I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be like, what is your
Speaker 8: plan to fix things? If this goes as bad as
Speaker 8: it looks like it may go, and if they don't
Speaker 8: get the answers they like. Remember when they fired Doug Peterson,
Speaker 8: it was like a week after the end of the season,
Speaker 8: they said that he was coming back, and then they
Speaker 8: sort of went back and changed their mind.
Speaker 7: We'll see, We'll sort of see what happens.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting, I mean to have the
Speaker 4: moment of complete meltdown happened against Jonathan Gannon's Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 4: team where they controlled the ball for forty minutes. That's
Speaker 4: unusual for an Eagles defense in our time doing the
Speaker 4: show or as an Eagles fan in general. And Shane
Speaker 4: Steichen is Coach of the Year material in Indianapolis, so
Speaker 4: part of the job of a head coach is to
Speaker 4: find the best people to take over when coordinator absences occur.
Speaker 4: I mean, I always thought that if anything, Brian Johnson,
Speaker 4: who had been tagged as Jalen Hurts is you know,
Speaker 4: friend and coach and mentor going back to high school,
Speaker 4: that's seen about as seamless as it could be. And
Speaker 4: it's not been the case. Hurts has been a different
Speaker 4: quarterback this year. And tell me if I'm wrong, But
Speaker 4: I feel like in some of these press conferences there
Speaker 4: seems to be almost coded language of concern about the
Speaker 4: team in general. And like Hurts a year ago was
Speaker 4: like the leader of the year and everyone talked about
Speaker 4: how he unified the entire locker room. Where are the
Speaker 4: players in all this right now in terms of like disenfranchisement,
Speaker 4: because I feel like on a weekly basis, AJ Brown
Speaker 4: is melting down, Hurts seems gloomy. It just seems like
Speaker 4: the energy around the Eagles has bottomed out.
Speaker 8: I don't think there's any doubt about that. Like vibes wise,
Speaker 8: things are not great right now. AJ Brown has declined
Speaker 8: to talk to reporters after each of the past two games.
Speaker 8: He didn't talk last week, he said, you know, if
Speaker 8: I've got nothing nice to say, I'm not going to
Speaker 8: say anything at all the Jalen Hurts of it all.
Speaker 8: I have sort of made the case that, like the
Speaker 8: team takes its personality from Jalen more so than Nick
Speaker 8: over the past couple of years. I don't think that
Speaker 8: Jalen has been the problem, but I do think, like,
Speaker 8: if we take a step back, it is fair to say, like, Okay,
Speaker 8: the degree of difficulty.
Speaker 7: For this season is very difficult.
Speaker 8: There's a reason that, you know, teams who lose in
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl do not often get back there.
Speaker 7: Like there's rest to it.
Speaker 8: There is like the adjustment of expectations and dealing with
Speaker 8: guys in the locker room. As you said, they lost
Speaker 8: both coordinators. You know, we made such a big deal
Speaker 8: last offseason about this was the first time that Jalen
Speaker 8: Hurts was going to get his second season in a
Speaker 8: row with the same offensive play caller for the first
Speaker 8: time since he was in high school. Okay, like, just
Speaker 8: because he knows Brian Johnson doesn't mean that that's going
Speaker 8: to be a seamless transition this year. But like, you know,
Speaker 8: if I'm aj Brown and I am this ultra competitive guy,
Speaker 8: and I want us to win more than anything, and
Speaker 8: I know that one of the best ways for us
Speaker 8: to win is for me to get the ball.
Speaker 7: And I'm not.
Speaker 8: Getting the ball enough, or we're like the play calling
Speaker 8: on offense or the structure is not taking advantage of
Speaker 8: me and DeVante Smith and Dallas Godded enough.
Speaker 7: I would probably be upset too.
Speaker 8: And I think that last, the second to last possession
Speaker 8: of the loss of the Cardinals was sort of telling here, right,
Speaker 8: because the defense had been getting totally run over all
Speaker 8: game long. You know that the defense doesn't stand a
Speaker 8: good chance of stopping the Cardinals here. So Jonathan Gannon,
Speaker 8: with like five and a half minutes left, makes the
Speaker 8: what I think was kind of a shrewd decision to
Speaker 8: go for the on side kick, knowing that if you
Speaker 8: don't get it, you're sort of baiting the Eagles into
Speaker 8: being a little bit conservative there to settle for the
Speaker 8: field goal because they're already within range. And the Eagles
Speaker 8: get the first play, they get a nice completion to
Speaker 8: aj Brown for like fifteen yards. The next play is
Speaker 8: a cold run and Jordan Malina gets called for holding,
Speaker 8: So now it's first and twenty and there's like, you know,
Speaker 8: four minutes left, you should still go for a touchdown.
Speaker 8: This is a bad Cardinals defense. And you've got aj
Speaker 8: Brown and DeVante Smith and Dallas Goddard, a very good
Speaker 8: offensive line and this quarterback you paid all this money to,
Speaker 8: and instead they call Jalen Hurts run read option and
Speaker 8: then a screen to Kenneth Gainwell on third and nineteen
Speaker 8: that gets DeVante Smith injured as a blocker, and like I'm.
Speaker 3: Kissing everyone here booing just as the team takes the
Speaker 3: lead with three minutes left. I don't know if I've
Speaker 3: ever heard that booing before. It booed literally as the
Speaker 3: team takes the lead with a couple It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 8: Right, If you put all this money into those players
Speaker 8: and you can't trust them to go win the game
Speaker 8: against a team that is like incentivized to lose, then what.
Speaker 7: Are we doing.
Speaker 1: It's a great call because who knows Nick Sirianni's tendency
Speaker 1: is better than Jonathan Gann and they were together every day,
Speaker 1: and you're right, he baited him into that and then
Speaker 1: sure enough it ended up getting him beat. Now you also,
Speaker 1: I keep one of the things I keep going back
Speaker 1: to because there's been obviously a lot of studying of
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the offense, why hasn't been consistent, But
Speaker 1: they invested four first round picks in that defensive front,
Speaker 1: and you know, to watch what the Cardinals are doing,
Speaker 1: and we all like James Connor.
Speaker 2: He's overcome a lot. He's a solid running back.
Speaker 1: And Michael Carter I remember back in his Jets days
Speaker 1: early on, he was a guy that had some juice
Speaker 1: to him but had been off the radar for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. But what they were able to do
Speaker 1: to the just running over this expensive, high talent front
Speaker 1: of the Eagles is another sign of what's gone wrong
Speaker 1: with the season. Like, can you help make sense of
Speaker 1: what has happened up that was supposed to be the
Speaker 1: strength of their unit.
Speaker 8: It's a it's a huge question, and it's it's the
Speaker 8: biggest problem with the Eagles this season. I think it's
Speaker 8: the biggest reason they are where they are is that
Speaker 8: the defensive line has underperformed. You know, we had Brian
Speaker 8: Baldinger on our show today, you know your boy when
Speaker 8: he's talking about how Jordan Davis is out there looking
Speaker 8: like out of shape, not trying like why is he
Speaker 8: even active? Like we're talking about the guy they drafted
Speaker 8: one spot over Kyle Hamilton, by the way, Like maybe
Speaker 8: there is a bit of a diminishing returns to investing
Speaker 8: everything in the defensive line, but it's not just Jordan Davis.
Speaker 7: These guys are underperforming.
Speaker 8: And one thing that is on my radar about like
Speaker 8: the Sean Decai experience here is the Eagles organization has
Speaker 8: for so long been very heavy about their defensive line
Speaker 8: rotations and the you know, the position coaches at defensive
Speaker 8: tackle and outside linebacker are the same as they were
Speaker 8: last year. Nick Sirianni is the same, Howie Roseman is
Speaker 8: the same, and the only different variable there is Sean Decai.
Speaker 8: And they were playing these guys way more than they
Speaker 8: had in year's pass over the first half of the season,
Speaker 8: and it's possible that that was a source of contention.
Speaker 8: You know, Josh Schwtt has played already like three hundred
Speaker 8: more snaps than he did a season ago. And if
Speaker 8: you were to tell me that this looks like a
Speaker 8: defensive line that is exhausted, that is what they sort
Speaker 8: of look like. But that's no excuse for as you said,
Speaker 8: like the defense is built around this defensive line, having
Speaker 8: all of these first former first round picks and high
Speaker 8: priced players. Meanwhile, you got Hassano Redick dropping in coverage
Speaker 8: like seven times last week. It doesn't seem like they
Speaker 8: are making use of their resources. And there haven't even
Speaker 8: been that many injuries. Like there have been some injuries.
Speaker 8: Nikobe Dean, who was the work they were counting on
Speaker 8: to be their main linebacker, is out for the season.
Speaker 8: They've had a few injuries. You know, Darius Slay has
Speaker 8: missed the past few games. But it's no excuse. I mean,
Speaker 8: they have been like the worst third down defense on
Speaker 8: third and long in the league by a mile. It's
Speaker 8: it's it's sort of hard to.
Speaker 3: Explain, right right, there's so much talk about hurts and
Speaker 3: then I look at it and I'm like, he's still
Speaker 3: been He's still played like a top ten quarterback. They
Speaker 3: have the number eight offense in the league Devo, and
Speaker 3: they have the twenty eighth defense with all those resources.
Speaker 3: That that is the story. You've had this theory like
Speaker 3: their their coordinator was supposed to be Fangio and somehow
Speaker 3: that got mess up. I actually don't even understand it
Speaker 3: was supposed to be Fanio, but the Jonathan Gannon tampering
Speaker 3: case with Arizona somehow all led to that, like what
Speaker 3: happened there? And do you think like if this goes
Speaker 3: really bad, like they either lose Sunday or they win Sunday,
Speaker 3: but then they lose the first round and it's ugly.
Speaker 3: So this is the two part question, the Fanjo thing
Speaker 3: just explained to me. And then do you think things
Speaker 3: get blown up? Blown up? Like, like where do you
Speaker 3: see the blowing up happen? Because front office also might change,
Speaker 3: like Halliby is getting Alec, Halliby's getting supposedly getting interviews
Speaker 3: you know with other organizations, Like a lot could be
Speaker 3: changing here with this team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw.
Speaker 8: I think ben Standy got the Athletic had the rundown
Speaker 8: of Commander's candidates. He had Halliby there. I think he's
Speaker 8: been linked to the Chargers as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 8: First of all, the Fangio thing, you know, he was
Speaker 8: in the building last year like all season. He was
Speaker 8: sort of out of the building as a consultant, but
Speaker 8: they sort of had him on retainer and then they
Speaker 8: brought him on like full force in the playoffs to
Speaker 8: sort of have him under contract. And listen, this is
Speaker 8: it's not totally dissimilar to them having Matt Patricia this year.
Speaker 8: Like he was sort of their their plan B knowing
Speaker 8: like when they Jeffrulary once said that they in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty one, the first year that they were they were
Speaker 8: renting Jonathan Gannon, you know, they knew that he was
Speaker 8: going to get a head coach job at some point,
Speaker 8: so they had a plan B in Vic Fangio, and
Speaker 8: like we know that there is this this disconnect with
Speaker 8: the Cardinals because they had that trade, as you guys
Speaker 8: have talked about because of the tampering.
Speaker 7: And so.
Speaker 8: Fanjio gets like offered the Dolphins job around the time
Speaker 8: of the NFC Championship game, but he doesn't take it
Speaker 8: because the reporting is that he was sort of expecting
Speaker 8: to come to Philadelphia, but Gannon doesn't talk about how
Speaker 8: likely it is for him to go to Arizona and
Speaker 8: maybe he doesn't know still, well, every like, for all
Speaker 8: intentsive purposes, the Eagles expected that again and left Fanjo
Speaker 8: was going to be their defensive coordinator and Fanjo has
Speaker 8: said as much that he was expecting that as well,
Speaker 8: and so then all of a sudden, you get in
Speaker 8: the situation where you've got to reach for somebody else,
Speaker 8: and they go for Sean Desai, who is the Fangioe disciple,
Speaker 8: and then in April or May they bring in Matt Patricia.
Speaker 8: I guess as a backup plan.
Speaker 7: And I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's hard to know exactly whether that decision to change
Speaker 8: things mid season was a Syriani decision or Howie Roseman
Speaker 8: or Jeffrey Learry decision, but it's it's indicative of they
Speaker 8: were never really all in. I think setting aside, like
Speaker 8: putting him on TV, which is just like because you're
Speaker 8: sort of just embarrassing the guy. It's it's hard to
Speaker 8: get over. And then if things go really badly, if
Speaker 8: they if they lose in the first round, you know,
Speaker 8: on the road to an NFC South team. I mean,
Speaker 8: I think that it's a difficult conversation between Jeffrey Leary
Speaker 8: and Howi Rosamond and Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 7: About what do you need to change?
Speaker 8: And I think they obviously need to make wholesale changes
Speaker 8: on defense. My understanding is everybody in the building really
Speaker 8: likes matth Patricia, and to me from the outside, it's
Speaker 8: a hard sell to sort of hand things over to him.
Speaker 8: But maybe they're thinking that if he gets to build
Speaker 8: the defense the way he wants that, then it changes
Speaker 8: something on offense. I think they sort of they need
Speaker 8: at the very least fresh perspective.
Speaker 7: And you saw them do this.
Speaker 8: They try to do this in twenty twenty that brought
Speaker 8: in like Rich Scangarello to be the like Kyle Shanahan whispered,
Speaker 8: like marrying the run game in the passing game. One
Speaker 8: thing you see about the Segos offense, and it goes
Speaker 8: to the like the lack of creativity with it, Like
Speaker 8: they run motion at the lowest rate in the league.
Speaker 8: There are no real easy buttons. They're terrible against zero blitzes.
Speaker 8: They need fresh perspective, and so maybe that's you know,
Speaker 8: Nick Sirianni's saying, I agree with that, I need to
Speaker 8: get back to the drawing board. Who are some people
Speaker 8: I know around the league. It's not a new problem
Speaker 8: to have, like the brain drain of backfilling your coaching
Speaker 8: staff after losing your top lieutenant. But I wouldn't be
Speaker 8: surprised if they're trying to bring somebody else in again,
Speaker 8: Like Deserve doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 7: Have anything to do with it.
Speaker 8: I think if there is real dissension in the locker
Speaker 8: room between the players and Nick Sirianni, you know Howie
Speaker 8: Roseman is going to choose the players over the coaches.
Speaker 8: And I think that what we know, like of a
Speaker 8: decade of watching the way the organization is run, is
Speaker 8: that the reason they think they are successful is because
Speaker 8: of what they do, you know, personnel wise, I think
Speaker 8: that of the three most important people in the organization, Sirianni,
Speaker 8: Hurts and Roseman, Sirianni is the least important.
Speaker 7: In Jeffery Larry's mind.
Speaker 2: Well, Dom Dom is Fern naturally.
Speaker 7: Listen this all this losing Street Cohen science with.
Speaker 2: Dom Curse of Dom, I've floated it.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's a different team seemingly every January.
Speaker 2: That's like having the same conversation.
Speaker 1: Man, I really like Matt, Like he's a good guy around,
Speaker 1: He's a friendly guy. I don't know if we need
Speaker 1: to have him around though.
Speaker 8: Meanwhile, like that there's there's been this long feud between
Speaker 8: I mean, Darius Lay and Matt Patricia.
Speaker 7: Like you meet Darius Lay.
Speaker 8: The first day you meet him, the first thing you
Speaker 8: find out is he doesn't want to be called Darius,
Speaker 8: call him slay. The second thing you find out is
Speaker 8: he hates Matt Patricia and then they bring in Matt Patricia.
Speaker 8: Now they say that you know they have mentioned those fences.
Speaker 8: Sleigh says, everything is fine. You know, they hug on
Speaker 8: the field before the game. But like it goes to
Speaker 8: tell you that stars every side of the organization caring
Speaker 8: about every other side.
Speaker 2: Right, No, he calls him Darius. That's why. That's why
Speaker 2: it happened.
Speaker 1: And now I'll put you on the spot before we
Speaker 1: say goodbye, and check out bo at Allphilly dot com,
Speaker 1: where they do great coverage of the team you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: They're most likely, unless the Cowboys gag, which is certainly
Speaker 1: always possible, they're going to be on the road against
Speaker 1: the NFC South winner the first weekend of the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Let's say things go sideways.
Speaker 1: Baker in the Bucks thirty one, Eagles seventeen, all sorts
Speaker 1: of breakdowns on both sides of the ball, all that
Speaker 1: bad body language, It all comes out during the late
Speaker 1: stages of the game. Pressers are pretty woeful in terms
Speaker 1: of what people are saying. The Energy's terrible percentage chance.
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni is the head coach gets fired after an
Speaker 1: event like that cataclysmic flashpoint.
Speaker 2: Focus it for us percentage.
Speaker 7: You didn't get me in trouble with Zach. I think
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go in that situation.
Speaker 2: Yes, that exact sage.
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't listen to this show thirty one
Speaker 3: seventeen bucks.
Speaker 7: I'm going sixty to forty whoa, he go.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a lot of ifs to get to
Speaker 3: that point.
Speaker 1: We won't We're not gonna pull it for social pullet
Speaker 1: for social No, we won't do that to you, BO.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 3: You that I'm giving you the same odds BO if
Speaker 3: what we thought might be an annual occurrence. We have
Speaker 3: a tennis rematch at this super Bowl off the Eagles
Speaker 3: somehow snick in. I don't know if Dan even knows this,
Speaker 3: but me, You're tennis with me and me and Bo.
Speaker 3: It was probably the most fun I had in here,
Speaker 3: So I want to bring it up unless he won.
Speaker 3: So now I lost both. Hear me in a big spot,
Speaker 3: big server. I could still move, but the lack of
Speaker 3: tennis playing over the last twenty some od years came
Speaker 3: back to haunt me and he took care of me.
Speaker 8: Well, you're used to taking down taking down Walker, right,
Speaker 8: it's a little bit a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Greg often has stated he was like a tennis champion
Speaker 2: where he was from my team. Well, what does that
Speaker 2: say about Bo?
Speaker 3: He's a big hitter, hitter.
Speaker 2: It lays out the truth. Wow, And I think I.
Speaker 7: Think I might actually be in the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 7: I think we're doing shows there.
Speaker 3: For we can do it.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to watch. I would need a
Speaker 1: couple of drinks, but I feel like we could play.
Speaker 4: Tennis a podcast nearly weren't invited to watch the first time.
Speaker 4: So this is another one. Yes, any great super Bowl week?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure you were going to get into
Speaker 3: uber on Saturday morning, out to something that's old folks
Speaker 3: home where we was a really great setup.
Speaker 2: Was not a great Saturday is going to be.
Speaker 8: My three yearld's making all this noise upstairs. I'm sure
Speaker 8: you can hear. She's probably be wondering, are you going
Speaker 8: to finally pay attention to me?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 1: Appreciate me, Daddy, go do that, but thanks, buddy, appreciate you.
Speaker 7: See about Thanks guys.
Speaker 1: All right, another big performance in Bo wull never never
Speaker 1: under consideration for hit it and quit it.
Speaker 2: Just we waited for the right moment to bring him back.
Speaker 4: But we're so vague about who's on the bad list
Speaker 4: that if you hadn't been brought back, it would go
Speaker 4: through your mind.
Speaker 3: He's in a tough spot because you know there one
Speaker 3: of MIAs optic teams. Colleen kind of handles the Eagles situation,
Speaker 3: so it's tough. It's tough to break in there.
Speaker 4: I think if I was playing singles, it's one of
Speaker 4: the hosts of the show Singles Tennis, Like, I'd assume
Speaker 4: I'm in on the good list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but I he if he listens to if
Speaker 3: Bo listens to the show, he knows I'm not the
Speaker 3: one making that list. Ultimately, I can contribute, but uh,
Speaker 3: what does that mean you're making the list? I don't
Speaker 3: make the list. Listen if you get if you are
Speaker 3: who's making the list? Mark?
Speaker 4: I mean I would say I have a y. There
Speaker 4: is fair little controversy between us about who's on that.
Speaker 1: There is consensus we're not going to be There's never
Speaker 1: been one one of you guys like no, he's good.
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, Like usually.
Speaker 2: We're on the same page. It's a short list.
Speaker 1: I could think of one in particular. Yes, by the
Speaker 1: way I figured out what it is about it, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what's one you mean, because I can think
Speaker 3: of two.
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Uh oh, yeah, No, I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. The thing about it is because
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we're on the same page
Speaker 1: with in terms of credits for production on Flash by Focus.
Speaker 3: That's imperative.
Speaker 1: I think what it is that we're we're bumping up
Speaker 1: against CESTAG is that Greg really is important to it,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like to take it and frame it
Speaker 1: in like a TV show.
Speaker 2: He's like the talent.
Speaker 1: He's like a real talent in the writer's room.
Speaker 2: But there's also he's kind of a ratic.
Speaker 1: He's like very confident, very kind of shoots from the
Speaker 1: lip and gets some people uncomfortable. There's been a couple
Speaker 1: of inner offense Roman inter office romances that went sideways.
Speaker 3: He crashed a second.
Speaker 1: He crashed a Porsche after the holiday party one year,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's just like he's such a talent
Speaker 1: and we want to promote him and keep him within
Speaker 1: the enterprise. We do, but there's always just these things
Speaker 1: in the back of our mind, like we don't want
Speaker 1: to create a monster or feed the monster, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. You know, it's when you give
Speaker 4: Greg a little bit of power, you start to become
Speaker 4: concerned with what can unfold at that point, and you know,
Speaker 4: we sort of see it in various tangible ways, even
Speaker 4: with this production.
Speaker 1: I'm a weirdo, but you know what I mean, right, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not personal, it's just I want to make sure
Speaker 1: like this, this is such a valuable property.
Speaker 3: You're threatened a little bit. You're threatened.
Speaker 2: I think you're a little around.
Speaker 4: You're using a guiding hand, Dan, like a fatherly guiding hand.
Speaker 1: You don't want We see it. Yeah, we see it.
Speaker 1: We see what's happening, and we're like, can we control this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I know the answer to that. Look, he's
Speaker 1: about to say something else annoying.
Speaker 3: You're like, uh, your officer winslow on on whatever that
Speaker 3: show is. You don't want to Urkle taken over. You know,
Speaker 3: you don't want to become the Erkele Show. Okay, so
Speaker 3: you framed yourself as Steve Erkele here, family matters, Family matters.
Speaker 1: Carl, Yeah, Carl Winslow got he got banged that actor
Speaker 1: because he was coming off die Hard and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we got a vehicle for you. You're gonna host like
Speaker 1: this very family friendly sitcom on ABC. And he's like
Speaker 1: that sounds great and uh and he becomes the star
Speaker 1: until Erkele shows up and Greg has positioned himself as
Speaker 1: the Erkele you know I do that, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it was Erkele, Erkele merch and everything hung
Speaker 1: on Urkle.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well wait, so I'm not a I'm not
Speaker 4: a religious watcher of that show.
Speaker 2: While do you want to know who you are?
Speaker 4: Did he not appear like early in the show, like
Speaker 4: did he come in?
Speaker 2: Merkle was?
Speaker 1: Initially he would show up every once in a while,
Speaker 1: And no, you are not, because I know you sometimes
Speaker 1: get worried you're not the They had one that just
Speaker 1: disappeared on that show, that's not you.
Speaker 2: How did you disappear?
Speaker 1: I always liked that was gone when they're just like,
Speaker 1: this isn't work. Do you have a grandma or the
Speaker 1: daughter someone one day was just gone? Written now the
Speaker 1: scratch any.
Speaker 2: Family matters watchers behind the glass that show?
Speaker 4: I mean they don't know. They probably just waiting, probably
Speaker 4: like looking at their clocks right now.
Speaker 2: All right, that's it.
Speaker 3: Anything else good, good show got the big Thursday previews.
Speaker 1: It was fine be minus minus say really good though
Speaker 1: strong mind.
Speaker 6: B.
Speaker 1: I think it was good be minus. That seems fair good,
Speaker 1: it's fair, I mean unfair. You're saying it's unfair.
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's the level we've been at.
Speaker 3: That's our level eleven years. Why go a hid?
Speaker 2: Why go for change?
Speaker 4: Nothing from last year to this year?
Speaker 1: So all right until let's see what is today Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Tuesday World, We'll see you on Thursday with the week
Speaker 1: eighteen preview, hopefully another B minustill then heed the call