1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast take their job seriously, but 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: don't take themselves too seriously. 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: That's the key. That's the key, so true. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: From the Chris Westley podcast studio What's around the NFL 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Dan hands us here got the heroes, Greg Rosehal and 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and it is officially a new year, same 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: old show. Nothing's changed, for better or worse. This is 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: the show. This is what we do, and we're gonna 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: give you what you expect. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: This is the show right here. It's not about the football. 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 3: It's just the guy's chopping it up. 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 4: If you were hoping for changes, we made none, and 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 4: there probably are a fair amount. 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: Now if you want, if you want listeners, and please 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: let us know, be whatever channels you can for us 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: to pull like a radiohead and completely reinvent our sound 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: in our second decade. 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: We can try it. I just imagine it would. Maybe not. 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: It's it's more likely that we do not produce you. 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: Know, okay, computer, Yeah, it's more likely kid a doesn't it. Well, 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: you're more likely to get amnesiac than kidd a, so 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: be careful what you what you wish for. 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: Not that there's anything wrong with amnesiac, but you know, I. 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: Think we're being transparent, like our creative well spring is challenged. 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know who else is being challenged right now? 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: Eagles fans speak of happy birthday to Colleen Wolf. This 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: would be the show she's typically on, but you know, 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: we got to give Connie a little her space. 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: Let Connie be Connie. 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you say, we say Summer of Connie, but 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: it's really Connie's whole life is kind of a reality 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: show that just doesn't have cameras around except for when 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: she's connected to the NFL. So Connie's doing something for 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: her birthday, so we just want to wish she's traveling. 35 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 4: I thought she was like on a on an island 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: or a fort place. 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna let Colleen be wherever she is and 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: we wish you a happy birthday, Colleen. You're a great 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: person and a great Eagles fan. So Connie, like so 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: many other Eagles fans, absolutely a shot to the gut 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve when you lose at home to 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals and their whole season is now kind of 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: upside down, and that means there's only one thing to do, 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Like how bad does this get? And that's why we're 45 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: bringing back potentially the greatest segment we have. It's undefeated, 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: certainly the one that has the most kind of respect 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: inside and outside the industry. 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: Flashpoint focus. Happy New Year to Sydney Carlson if she celebrates. 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: Somebody say that is this too late for a flashpoint 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: for the Eagles? They've been heading on a downward well 51 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: that on tex Yes, well that was the sun. I 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: suggested this one, trying to get the upgrade co producer credit, 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: suggesting the second you know, this is two in a row, 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: this could this change even more or that you know, 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 3: could change in a in a way that the whole 56 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 3: organization is different in a couple of weeks. 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: He's so strange in some way. Some ways, Greg's a 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: very strange man. He he wants, he so badly wants 59 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: to be part of the brain trust on this project 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: that he's thrown in that line that I've thought of 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: the last two like that. 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: Trying to be part of it. 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: It's just like we. 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Are being nice to let let you feel involved on 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: this because what Mark's instinct was was absolutely correct. If 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: we did this after the Nick Sirianni is shouting at 67 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: the Chiefs fan game, then it's a true flashpoint focus. 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: So we're just kind of throwing you a little New 69 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: Year's bone. 70 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: Or that's the basic way to look at it, and 71 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: we could see one of the most successful organizations in 72 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: the entire NFL completely different in a couple of weeks. 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: So and again, but it's still ahead. 74 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: It's don't know, we're talking about the future of Syria. 75 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if Greg understands it, though. Mark the 76 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: basic way, why why the Daggers? 77 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: Always why? 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: Good guy? 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: That's the Greg experience, I believe, because. 80 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: There is a way you're right, and the reason why 81 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: it ends up getting greenlit and pushed through legislation is 82 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: that if this is the beginning of something horrific within 83 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: the you know, within Eagles Nation context. 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: But there's a fair amount of pressure on Greg Ford, 85 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: like disaster to strike the Philadelphia. 86 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: Which is gotta I'm not looking for it. Think about that. 87 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: I like this team because he loves the Eagles. He's 88 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: got a buddy that works at. 89 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: The team you do. 90 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 4: He constantly he does Super Bowl dinners. 91 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: Oh where's where's Greg? Oh he's with his Eagles buddy. 92 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: So now, in a way, you're celebrating their dysfunction. 93 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: I just say he works for They're in a fascinating 94 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: place right now. And now let's bring it back to business. 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: And I'm just a showman. You guys asked for a 96 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: showmanship stirred up the pot, Well we haven't with my 97 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: executive producers and with the show. 98 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: Well you're doing great, you're doing great. What did we decide? 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: He's the gaffer? 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: I don need a gaffers, you know, belongs to a 101 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 4: union and his actual skills gaffing. 102 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: So I'm not all right. 103 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: Let's get to the rest of run out of time 104 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: before bow gets in here. We got a big guest. 105 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: See now he's trying to run the show. Just take 106 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: it easy, Greg, We're proud of you. It's gonna be 107 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: a great segment today. We got a lot coming on. 108 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: Here's what else is going on. We're entering week eighteen 109 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: and it's not exactly a hot butt checking in the 110 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: sense of like the preseason or even mid season. 111 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: But let's just see who's where we're at. 112 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: Where we're at, it's where they are and it could 113 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: be coaches, GMS, coordinators, quarterbacks. Who has kind of the 114 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: most at stake in these last the last dying breasts 115 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: of the regular season. But first, as we always do, 116 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: let's get caught up on the news. 117 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 5: I've got controlled fury and I'm ready to go. I am, 118 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 5: I'm absolutely ready to go. I don't go the other way. 119 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 5: So and the team won't either. We're on a mission 120 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 5: and we're not going to We're gonna feel sorry for 121 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 5: ourselves and Walder and everything. We had plays to make, 122 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 5: we didn't make them. And it's a tight game, a 123 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: good opponent, playoff type atmosphere, and you got to make 124 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 5: that that one extra play that we didn't and uh 125 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 5: so we will use this as fuel. I got pure 126 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 5: octane right now. 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: I woke up. 128 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 5: I'm ready. 129 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: I you know what, like the last I think it 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: was Dave Cohen's is the last NBA player, coach, you 131 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: can't tell me Campbell want to be somewhat efficient as 132 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: a player with the intensity has He's obviously in great 133 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: physical condition. I believe our lines defense that could probably 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: need a couple more guys to get him over the 135 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: hump and to hoist the trophy, get Campbell on the 136 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: field for. 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: The rest of the year. 138 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 3: Problem with that, Dave Collen's great, great guy. The the 139 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: hard knock stuff where Campbell couldn't he not move for 140 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: two straight days because he was like bent over funny 141 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: or something? 142 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: Remember that. 143 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, getting olds a bitch, But I just think, I 144 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: mean he's awfully let's get to yes, he was initially 145 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: is his head coaching journey. Dan Campbell began with the 146 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Dolphins when he replaced Joe Filban and the Dolphins, man, 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: what a setback, and their head coach Mike McDaniel deserves 148 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: a lot of scrutiny because Bradley Chubb, who is a 149 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: huge difference maker on their defense, who is just kind 150 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: of hitting the stride as the player who they thought 151 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: they were getting in that big trade with Denver, He's 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: done for the year because he tears his ACL late 153 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: and the blowout loss to the Ravens, So you were 154 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: going to now have to go the rest of the 155 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: way without Chubb. They also are not going to have 156 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: xaviing Howard on the field for this AFC East Championship 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: game against the Bills. So this is obviously a big 158 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: setback for this team. Greg What does Chubb do? What 159 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: does he mean to their defense? How do they overcome 160 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: his loss? 161 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: He's their best ed rusher, He's having the best season 162 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: I think of his career even better than any season 163 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: he had in Denver. Maybe there was one early one, 164 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: but the way he was coming on and essentially making 165 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: you feel like, Okay, we lost Jalen Phillips, the top 166 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: ten to twelve bed drusher in the league, but we 167 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: still got a good enough group with the two defensive 168 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: tackles and Chubb. And now Chubb's gone too, And uh, McDaniel, 169 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: who's so forward thinking, so many things frustrated me with 170 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: with the way he was playing his starters here, Like 171 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: that's the number one thing when I when I run 172 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: my team, the two things on my platform gonna be 173 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: why are we Why are we going? No down this fiction, 174 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: no road where you're now no time out? Well, no, 175 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: this is more it's it's the front office. It's okay, 176 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: it's I'm telling that the coaches will do no timeouts allowed. 177 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: Just take in the for a delay, to avoid a 178 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: delay a game, Just take the five yards, no timeouts, 179 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: and uh, starters are not playing when you're down three 180 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: scores or up three scores period in the final time. 181 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 4: I mean, because it's like Mike, Mike McDaniel has been 182 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 4: beyond critique because of all the positives. But Brandon Stalely 183 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: a year ago, Mike Williams is in a game late 184 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 4: and and they lose them for the playoffs, and and 185 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: that was a huge we without Mike Williams, Like that's 186 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 4: Chargers offense. 187 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: Imagine the same thing. Like imagine Mike McCarthy's this with 188 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: makeup parks. Absolutely people would be over the moon, maybe 189 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: apoplectic about it, but you know. 190 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: I'd you're doing it. 191 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Banked a lot of but he's banked a lot of 192 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: good will for and for a good reason. 193 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: But this is inexcusable that he was ever on the field. 194 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel did acknowledge, like in so many words in 195 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: the press conference, like yeah, it doesn't look good, like 196 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if you're the head coach 197 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 4: sometimes like you can't take everyone out. 198 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: The thing is every coach does this. It's it's very 199 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: rare that this is a group think for all the 200 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: coaches that I really think they get wrong in it. 201 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: You really hurt for Chubb, whose career completely changed when 202 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: he tore his ACL the first time, and it took 203 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: him a long time to get back to where he was. 204 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: I took really feel like it took him like three 205 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: years and he got there and now this happened. 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: But and you're right, Mark, you can't take everybody out, 207 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: but you kind of can. But you got to take 208 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: the stars out. 209 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: You got the guys that are the You know, this 210 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: stands out as like the true difference maker. And you 211 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: know with the matchup coming up against Buffalo two has 212 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: got a banged up shoulder. You don't have Howard. I mean, 213 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: this could make a huge difference at the most critical time. 214 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: Where does the where's the Vegas ad on that game? 215 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: Because I part of me thinks Miami is going to 216 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: be Are they at home? 217 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: First of all? Where's that they are? 218 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: I believe the Bills are favored by Miami. 219 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to say it sound felt like 220 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: that it would be in that zone. I like Miami's chances, 221 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: but this is you cannot overlook how important Chubb is 222 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: to their past rush and we'll see if they're able 223 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: to overcome it. In other news, Mason Rudolph is going 224 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: to continue as the starter of the Pittsburgh Steelers. 225 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: Rudolph, who has. 226 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, been with the team for years and it 227 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: kind of drifted into the deep background, but due to 228 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: injuries and effectiveness with Kenny Pickett and then Mitch Trubisky. 229 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: He got his chance and they're playing well, winning the 230 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: last two weeks, so Tomlin says he will remain the start, 231 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: even with Kenny Pickett a bit available to play the 232 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: former first round pick. So it's this is Rudolph's the 233 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: biggest moment of his career coming up in Week eighteen 234 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: against the Ravens. 235 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: I mean, the Steelers offense was unwatchable wire to wire, 236 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: even taking after taking Matt Cannaona out outside of one game, 237 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 4: and incomes Rudolph throwing for two hundred and seventy four 238 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 4: on Seattle two ninety against the Bengals, and I think 239 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: it matters eleven yards forer attempt last. He's incredible, and 240 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: he doesn't look like he looks at a completely different 241 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 4: version of the player that we used to know. And 242 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: George Pickens in two weeks has eleven catches, three hundred 243 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 4: and twenty six yards and two touchdowns, and it matters 244 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 4: how it's happening there. They have an explosive element of 245 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: their passing game which was missing all year. Joe Blacko 246 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: already has more touchdowns than Kenny picketted. Pickett like refused 247 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 4: to throw touchdowns. 248 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: Eleven yards per attempt, only one turnover. 249 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Try, but I think he finally refused. 250 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, intellectually feels it feels worth at least just noting 251 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: because Kenny Pickett's being benched here very clearly, and he 252 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: lost the job due to an injury, which is unfortunate, 253 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: but he is being bench which is a big moment. 254 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: I think when you're a quote unquote franchise quarterback, I 255 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: think it raises absolutely fair questions about whether he's the quarterback. 256 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: They're moving forward. 257 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: You kind of get two years, and by the end 258 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: of that second year, if it's not clicking, you are vulnerable, 259 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: and pick It certainly is. It'll be interesting to see, 260 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: no matter how this season ends, where they go because 261 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't think they see Mason Rudolph as the future. 262 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: They like him obviously to have him around this song, 263 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: but Pickett, you know, they just have not been able 264 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: to get it going with him. Let's talk about ooh, 265 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: big app for rest Stop wants to hit a little 266 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: rest stop. 267 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: You know, Restop has their layers. 268 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: You can there could be too much rest, not enough rest, 269 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: and then just the idea of guys not playing, which 270 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: they call rest. 271 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 4: And now he's taken over flashpoint like it's the pal 272 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 4: The need for the external power is impressive. 273 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: Well, you created this one. 274 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: I didn't. 275 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 4: I'm not m I'm just going down. 276 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: I have no producer credit on this, just talent. 277 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Well, I would say you, definitely you. You were the 278 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: motivation for this segment. And Christian McCaffrey out week eighteen 279 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: for the Niners, they've already clinched everything. He was banged 280 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: up last week. But I don't and it's serious. We'll 281 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: find out down the road. 282 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson unlikely to play as well for the Ravens. 283 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: We'll see what else they choose to do. Baltimore's also 284 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: clinched everything. We're gonna get to the Eagles in a second. 285 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: But Nick Sirianni said he may sit his starters, which. 286 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: Interesting because they have a chance to Yeah, what is 287 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: you know? 288 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 4: That kind of threw me. 289 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Is there a time element to that? No, everybody's playing 290 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: pretty much at the same time, right. 291 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: I mean they would need like that. I think your 292 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,239 Speaker 4: factor in like Saane the command. 293 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: Let's save that. 294 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: Yes, that's a a major factor. 295 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: And yeah, we mentioned Dan Campbell of course, Dan Campbell 296 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: will play starters. You don't care. 297 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Campbell just wants to win ball games every single week. 298 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Any thoughts on that. 299 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: Man, Now, sometimes they say that early in the week 300 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: and then you get to the end of the week 301 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: and you hear, Okay, it's a plan. We're gonna play 302 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: Jared Goffer two drives. Maybe not. I believe Vegas thinks 303 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 3: they're playing. This is always a very strange Vegas week. 304 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: I put the words in that Lamar is probably not playing, 305 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: just based on the tone of what John Harbas said, 306 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: but he didn't actually say anything. And that really will 307 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: help the Steelers. Those Darren Steelers, they're gonna sneak in somehow, 308 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: I mean not even somehow. They just need they just 309 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: need out of credit, need the Dolphins to win, and 310 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: they need to beat the backup Ravens, which isn't a guarantee. 311 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: Sometimes those backups go ahead and win the game. There 312 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: It's happened before to the Steelers. In fact, there's this 313 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: like the. 314 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: Debate around the resting thing too with the with the 315 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: Ravens specifically, is like they've done this before and it 316 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: ended up poorly in the playoffs. And I remember, like 317 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: those old Peyton Manning teams that one time they sat 318 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 4: everyone and lost like the final Sunday night game to 319 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: the Titans or something like that. It prevented the Browns 320 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 4: team that had won ten games from going to the playoffs, 321 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: and so I always sort of hated that move. And 322 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 4: I think there was the year that the Bengals sat 323 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 4: everyone against the Jets. The Jets got into the playoffs, 324 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: played them the next week and thumped them. So it's 325 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: like this stuff does matter, but I don't know if 326 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 4: it matters with this rat It's not specifically more attuned 327 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: to this Ravens team. 328 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: And the one Colts team with Manning that finally got 329 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: through is not a great Colts team. They had to 330 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: play wild card weekend. They were a top two seed. 331 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: And finally in the news, the Jets wave Dalvin Cook, 332 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: the running back who signed for a fair amount of 333 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: money right before the start of the season from the Vikings. 334 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: He was seen as another piece of a potential championship 335 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: run for my team. 336 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: Not the case. He gone, He. 337 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Asked out, and the Jets said, all right, necessarily, if 338 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: you can, if you can, if you can find someone 339 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: that wants to pick you up and maybe go for 340 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: a playoff run. Tom Pelserro reported this and added, the 341 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: dynamic playmaker has quote fresh legs after minimal usage in 342 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: New York and can now compete. 343 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: Is that a report? Do we know that the dynamic 344 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: playmaker has fresh legs? That? 345 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: I feel like that's refutable, But it did come from 346 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: an insider, So. 347 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: Take that as fallible and fallible. 348 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: I believe he has the most carries and it's not 349 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: that many this year. What does he got sixty seven 350 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: of any running back that has not broken a fifteen 351 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: yard gain? Yeah, so just that would refute it somewhat. 352 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that. 353 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: That someone's going to need like a running back to 354 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 4: be kidnapped by a van. 355 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: It could go. Actually this he's not a crazy pickup 356 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: for the Cowboys at all. I think one of the 357 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: reasons they don't are you guys. 358 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: You guys know how it goes with my team. 359 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: He's going to get picked up by someone and he 360 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: is going to be a major factor in the playoffs 361 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: and we're all going to have a great old laugh 362 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: about it all across the. 363 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: They got on the money part of a big that 364 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: is good for the Jets, a. 365 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: Good old laugh. 366 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Everyone's going to have when Dalvin Cook rushes for one 367 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight yards and three touchdowns for some team, 368 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: and Jack. 369 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: I think, I don't think you're getting those laughs. You're 370 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: getting the laughs from the Cook. I thought that was 371 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: a good move, and with three weeks I no longer 372 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: thought it was a good move. 373 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: He was not moving very well. There's no doubt about it. 374 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: All right, that's what's happening in news. Mark, Come on now, 375 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: I know you root for a successful team now, but 376 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: this is how it goes This is how it goes it. 377 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if everyone hates your team 378 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 4: at that much. 379 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to laugh. 380 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: About hating the team. But just the Jets are fun 381 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: to laugh at. I can concede that. And that's this is. 382 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 4: Right, And I would say this is less This is 383 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 4: less gag worthy than some of the stuff that's occurred 384 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 4: to them this season. 385 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: By the way, Greg, I was during our rest stop app, 386 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: which was a good app. 387 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: I thought, good app of restop. 388 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: I like to tag the rest stop with yeah, when 389 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: we get off the rest stop and get back on 390 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: the high. 391 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: Stuff that I contributed to it as well to staring 392 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: I I appreciate it. Well, what happens? What happens when 393 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 4: I do that? 394 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: You get a little royalty check? 395 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: Is the rest stop drop on? Like page nine? I 396 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: always feel like we're waiting for the rest stop for. 397 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: A little, a little too long. There it is. 398 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: That Finn's producers. It's one of the ones where it's 399 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: it's not there's a point I can't fit it in. 400 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to jump on you guys, and you 401 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: know I don't. 402 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: Drop it in there, okay, because the rest stop needs 403 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: it's mechanics. 404 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: I think one of these shows one of us should 405 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 4: like sit there on the soundboard, and. 406 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: That's coming this off season. Rick and I are switching. 407 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: Sounds like an absolute night bear. 408 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 1: I've done it before. We've done that before. I've been 409 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: behind the glass once before. Well do you not recall that? 410 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: I don't recall our show from Sunday night, So I 411 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 4: don't know. 412 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: All right, I've been thinking about it, Greg, and you're right. 413 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: You have been putting in the work on Flashpoint Focus 414 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: and it's your You're due for promotion. And I'm looking 415 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: I looked up on Wikipedia Television crew and I think, 416 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: what do you think? 417 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: Mark, Coordinating Producer. 418 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that sounds like broad You could sell that 419 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: to your friends. 420 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: That's good when when any way you want when. 421 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: You get the CP title here, that's a nice promotion 422 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: for a lot of great, young, hardworking producers at the NFL. 423 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: So that's a nice you think or line, producer, what 424 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 2: do you think that was good? I'll let you decide. 425 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: I'll think about that. Okay, get back to us at 426 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: the end of the year. I don't like Greg's tone 427 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: in general. 428 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: In general. 429 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: I feel that too around this whole Yeah, that's kind 430 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 4: of what I'm inclined to go to start them lower, 431 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 4: just to get, you know, really get that experience from 432 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: the should we the floor? 433 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. 434 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: So maybe we should bust them down to supervising producer. 435 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: That sounds more. 436 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: My one IMDb credit right now calls me additional crew. 437 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: On the and that feels good. 438 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 3: I had a Bravo non hit significant others. 439 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Let's start there. I love that crew. All right, we're 440 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: gonna bust you down to additional crew. But it's also 441 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: a jump up from assistant to the gaffers. So we 442 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: tell them you're an ac let ayc All right, let's 443 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: by the way before we get to our buddy bo 444 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: wolf Uh covering the Eagles and doing a great job 445 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: at all Philly dot Com. Let's do a little hot 446 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: butt check in entering week eighteen. Where do we want 447 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: to start. We'll start with the coaches. I just want 448 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: to just to kind of get this where it needs 449 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: to be. There's only one absolute Connor right, it's Ron right, 450 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: like he's the one that is either it happens right 451 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: after the games on Sunday, or it's the first name 452 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: you hear on Black Monday, like he's the only one left. 453 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: Because we've lost a few coaches already. You can over 454 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: on three gone. That would be Reich, that would be. 455 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: Brint and Stalely Staley, and that would be Josh McDaniel. 456 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: So those guys who felt like Black Monday gunners were 457 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: already kicked to the curb. And I think Rivera is 458 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: the last one standing that you know has got Is 459 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: there anyone else starting with the coaches here that you 460 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: guys are pretty confident are gone or things calmed down 461 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: a little bit where there's no one else. 462 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was writing these down and thinking the over 463 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: unders now maybe six and a half, which is normal, 464 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: Maybe even lower than average, So we're only to four 465 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: there with Rivera. Belichick to me, feels all but certain. 466 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: I would be very surprise. I know there's been some 467 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: talk in recent weeks of what he would accept bill 468 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: in terms of restructure and who's picking the players. I 469 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: just don't see it. I just think it's been going 470 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 3: this way the whole time, and I do think he's 471 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: close to a definite. 472 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: That decision. Feels like we'll learn that it was. There's 473 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 4: been reporting to suggest like this was already gonna happen. 474 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 4: They knew, So I'm with you on that. You know, 475 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 4: there was some positive stuff around Arthur Smith, but if 476 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 4: they were to flatline this week too, like you were 477 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: saying on Sunday night, maybe the owner makes a change 478 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: there because what is the vision. 479 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: Well, it's a coach off right there, Dennis Allen versus 480 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 3: Arthur Smith. 481 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: I was thinking. 482 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: We said at mid season, when we did a hot 483 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: butt check in our first one of the year, that 484 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: the entire NFC South fell up for grabs and then 485 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: Wright goes, So there's one gone. I think Bowles is 486 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: safe just because they have had really sustained levels of 487 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: success this year. 488 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 3: This lis is to the Panthers. 489 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: That's what I mean, So I wouldn't say he's in 490 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: the clear. 491 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: I think Bowles is certainly on the bubble entering week eighteen. 492 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith and Dennis Allen, if they're not, they should 493 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: Dan Steve Wisher, you know, used to work with the Falcons, 494 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: like he's plugged in. He was very confident a few 495 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: weeks back that Smith was staying. 496 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 2: But I don't know if. 497 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: Something has changed with Arthur Blank, the owner, since the 498 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: we did get that NPR reporting on Blank. If you 499 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: recall a couple weeks. 500 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 4: Which I thought was strong, very strong, I mean directly 501 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: from the owner journalist. 502 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: I called it, well, they lost by twenty Old. 503 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: Fox gentlemen, just getting the info. 504 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: They lost by twenty to that. Since then they've lost 505 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: by twenty to the Bears, and I'm not I can't 506 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: remember if he was on the show before or after 507 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: they lost to the Panthers. But then losing if it's 508 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: let's say, a bad loss to the Saints. Here, you're 509 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: seven and ten. You're not improving your win loss in 510 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: your three seasons. Your third season is supposed to be 511 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: when the Vision comes to the war. Here is their 512 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: rank in overall efficiency. According to the EUA, it's gonna 513 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: be gross first year, his first year thirtieth. Okay, he 514 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: took over a tough situation. Second year nineteenth, nice improvement, 515 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: third year twenty eighth. You're the fifth worst team in 516 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: the NFL right now and in your third year. 517 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 4: And packed into that was this idea that you were 518 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: going to develop Desmond Ridder and you know a lot 519 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 4: of suspicion around that to begin with, but you're an 520 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 4: offensive coach. That didn't happen. And I would argue these days, 521 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: like with Mike McDaniel, with Sean McVay, like it isn't 522 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: three year rebuilding plans. It happens quick with some teams. 523 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: It just happens. And I mean, I thought we were 524 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: more on the Arthur Smith thing than made sense looking 525 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 4: back now, but it seemed like they were gonna flip 526 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 4: the switch and you get Bjean Robinson and like they're unwatchable. 527 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 3: To me, they're worse than their record indicates. They could 528 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: be very easily be a five or a four win 529 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: team right with a harder schedule, Which. 530 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: Are the Smiths like, well that we're not because the coaching. 531 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 3: Or because you had the easiest schedule ever, But losing 532 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: to the Saint on the flip side, like I know, 533 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: Dennis sounds supposed to be safe. Now they're coming off 534 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 3: a big game, But if it does flips and you 535 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: get swept by the Falcons, your biggest rivalry, your rival 536 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 3: and your home and the booing, I don't know, it. 537 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: Might seem strange, so to base to base one Sunday 538 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: on such a huge personnel and team decision. But with 539 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: these guys, I think they're right on the bleeding edge. 540 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: By the way, NPR PBS coverage a joint coverage of 541 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: NFL personnel movement. 542 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: You know what, I would call it, no frills, hard 543 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: hitting journalists. 544 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 4: Well that's what it is. So it's that's yeah, and 545 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 4: you know we always respect that. 546 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: Also, I'm gonna put a name out there, Well, Mike 547 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: Rabel's floating. We could talk about him, but I really 548 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: think it's and this one feels more silly. And I 549 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: was on this last week Antonio Pierce. I think with 550 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: the Raiders and with the that particular owner, I almost 551 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: feel like that's gonna decide who do they have in 552 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: Week eighteen? 553 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 3: The Raiders, they have the Broncos. 554 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the home against the Broncos in a game 555 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: that means nothing in terms of the playoffs. 556 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: I kind of get the feeling Mark Davis. 557 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: Is gonna make his decision at head coach based on 558 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: the like the result of that game. 559 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: I think so too, And I think like there's an 560 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 4: argument for Antonio Pierce compared to what they were before him. 561 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 4: But I think a lot of it is like the 562 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: literal owners said, like I kind of I should have 563 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 4: hired Basaccia after what he did, So it also doesn't 564 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 4: mean you should. They're not all equal, and like Mark 565 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: Davis has done a lot of things that would make 566 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 4: you shake. 567 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: You here, he's four and four. This would put him 568 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: at five and four. They've been good at home where 569 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: they really have a nice a nice crowd, there, a 570 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 3: nice rate rate players love. Yeah. I think you're right, 571 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 3: Dan that this could emotionally, we just have seen it 572 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: so many times. So he's someone I think that could 573 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: come or go depending on this game. 574 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: I think. 575 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: Moving to quarterbacks, I think, uh, oh, I have I 576 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 3: have one ahead. Well, we can talk Siriani with yes, 577 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 3: but but that was part of the reason I had. 578 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: I got a triple question. 579 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: Mark where they question Okay, like Fluce, you know, ebra 580 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: flus feels safe. You know they're playing the Packers in 581 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: all these games, like if you got blown out, it's like, okay, 582 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: if you got blown out at the end of your season, 583 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: that this Kuldiberflusco. And then I think the name I 584 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: haven't seen out there a lot is is Pete Carroll. 585 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: They have one of the worst defenses in the league 586 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: they've had They've a bottom five defense. Uh, he's a 587 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 3: defensive coach. They've had a below average defense for seven 588 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 3: straight years. If they lost back to back games to 589 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 3: the Steelers and the Cardinals to lose the season and 590 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: you're just stuck in the middle again, it's very confusing 591 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: what the ownership situation is there. When things were getting 592 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 3: a little thorty four weeks ago, there were some whispers 593 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: about Schneider and Carrol maybe not on the same page 594 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: and like some pointing fingers. So they I just don't 595 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: lose to the Cardinals. I feel like they could very 596 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: well lose to the Cardinals. If you lose to the Cardinals, 597 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: I think maybe anything is on the table. 598 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, but again, that's why I don't some 599 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: of this is hard for me to wrap my head 600 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: around that. 601 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 6: I'm so. 602 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: Ago, and I think Pete he's still got the he 603 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: has a track record, he's still youthful, at least in 604 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: spirit and in body. And I think that, uh, if 605 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: you've give him better players on defense and maybe. 606 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: And they've spent so many. 607 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: Schneider, don't fire Carol because I think he's a good 608 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: head coach. Give him better players, and maybe maybe we're 609 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: going to. 610 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 4: Hire someone better too, like it depends to because development. 611 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 3: I hear all that, but I just think when you're 612 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: a defensive coach and you just don't have answers and 613 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: there's two guys in your divisions who hand it to 614 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 3: you four times a year, and you're kind of using 615 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: stale thinking because you can say, get better players. Who 616 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 3: is the draft picks, free agency? They've spent a lot 617 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 3: on that defense to be really bad, that's all right. 618 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: How about a defensive coordinator that you let him call the. 619 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: Play rotating through like yeah, they have been, they've all 620 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: rotating through. They've fired three or four because their defense 621 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: have been bad different locations. I think it's it's one 622 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: to throw out there. 623 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: What if if the Bills got blown out by Miami 624 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 4: and then there's a bunch of negative energy and stuff happened. 625 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 4: Sean McDermott one safe, I don't think so. I think 626 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 4: Sean McDermott is someone I'm just saying, like if like 627 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: all these teams were talking about and we'll get it 628 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 4: into the Eagles. A month ago, everything with the Eagles 629 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: was looking wonderful and and Nick Sirianni was this guy 630 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: that everyone from Philly responds to, X, Y and Z, 631 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: and like McDermott had that one little incident, like he's 632 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: been great overall, but it's almost like that doesn't matter. 633 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 4: These things always sort of end badly. 634 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: They just want their tenth game. I would say he's 635 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: ninety eight percent safe. 636 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 4: It seems like it's super surprise to me if it 637 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 4: would happen, but like I feel like we get one 638 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 4: of these surprises. 639 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: It also just that's. 640 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 3: Why I want to Like Carol, I was trying to 641 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 3: think of who would be a surprise, and he would 642 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 3: make sense to me if again, if they lose, and 643 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 3: I kind of think they're gonna lose. Wink Martindale. By 644 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: the way, just as a coordinator, I do feel like 645 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: this will be his final game after that Glazier report 646 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: and pretty lackluster performed. 647 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, Joe Barry is probably finally coaching his final 648 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: games with the Packers, but we'll see how the end 649 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: of their season goes. Yeah, I'll throw a quarterback out 650 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: there justin Fields like how the year ends for Fields. 651 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: I think he's already put enough on tape in the 652 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: back end of the season in my opinion that they 653 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: should keep riding with him. But with the fans calling 654 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: for him to stay and with player the locker room backing, 655 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: they want Fields back if he has a big game 656 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: to close the season, I. 657 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: Feel like I feel like the Bear's gonna have a 658 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: hard time going in a different direction. 659 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: I think they're having a hard time because there's the 660 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 4: fan base would be split on that. But if the 661 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 4: entire football community like falls head over heels about one 662 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 4: of the rookie quarterbacks, which happens if they will Yeah, 663 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 4: So it's more like you're just wayhing a ver sp So. 664 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: That's you know, Kate, Caleb Williams and maybe Drake may 665 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: are gonna be viewed as as the best quarterbacks to 666 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: come out Sint Lawrence maybe like three, you know, two 667 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: or three years. That level to pass on him for Fields, 668 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: But I'm with you that this week it's so fascinating. 669 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: They are really and we'll talk about it Thursday, but 670 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: they're really set up the exact same way the Lions 671 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: were a week ago heading into week seventeen, where they've 672 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: had a ton of momentum. In this case, it's a 673 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: defensive coach whose defense is playing well and the offense 674 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: is also playing better. And if they beat the Packers 675 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 3: to knock the Packers out of the playoffs in the 676 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 3: final week, I agree, it's I think it's gonna be difficult, 677 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: very hard for them jump off that that feeling, and 678 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: I think. 679 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: It would be. 680 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: It would be an incredible situation for the Bears to 681 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: be in because even if you don't think Fields is 682 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: the messiah that like when he was drafted and they 683 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: were all getting excited about it, and rightfully so, if 684 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: he's just merely good, you have this incredible leverage of 685 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: having the number one overall pick, after having the bounty 686 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: that you picked up from the Panthers last you can 687 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: do it again with another team desperate for that number 688 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: one pick, and you could really. 689 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: Right and you building free and like take one of 690 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: the receivers and get a bunch of. 691 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: If they play this right, if they decide they like 692 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: Fields and then play it right with in terms of 693 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: the trading of the picks and who they take, they 694 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: are a potential juggernaut. 695 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: They're not far away from that happening. 696 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: One of the greatest like oral history like long forms 697 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 4: I read, was when Cleveland talked themselves into not drafting 698 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: Big Ben because they were obsessed with the fact that 699 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: they had signed Jeff Garcia and free agency. 700 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: So it's like the other side of it is. 701 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 4: That Fields just stays him and then the GM us 702 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 4: to sit there and be like, it's my name. If 703 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 4: we don't go get like the clear cut number one 704 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: first overall pick just because we can add assets around 705 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 4: justin Fields. 706 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: That has to work. 707 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: It's a it's a fascinating philosophia that has to work 708 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: either way. 709 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: It has to work, right, Yeah, but I know what 710 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: you're saying. 711 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: It's a fascinating philosophical discussion, which we'll be having for months, 712 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: I guess. But it's like a cost controlled quarterback and field. 713 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 3: So you kind of know, now he's going into year 714 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: four and five, you could pick up the option and 715 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: it's still pretty low money, and let's realistically put him 716 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: somewhere if we're even being a little generous in the 717 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins Ryan Tannehill not style wise, but maybe you're 718 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: not a top ten quarterback for most of your career, 719 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: but you're sort of on the edge of it and 720 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 3: you're better than average. Like let's I kind of think 721 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: that's where fields is and where's. 722 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: But he also has the skills he has could get better, 723 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: Josh Allent skill set, right. 724 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: He could get better. I just mean like the level, 725 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: like if you're quarterback ten to twelve or would you 726 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: rather have the number one overall quarterback in that contract 727 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: and everything? 728 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: And I think it matters that he They said, we're 729 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: gonna go get you a big time wide receiver, and 730 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: then DJ Moore came here and was absolutely as advertised 731 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: and it has been a big time star for them. 732 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: So he's shown give me guys and I'm gonna I'm 733 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: gonna produce. 734 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: Jaymore was like, why are we talking about getting a 735 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 4: different quarterback? 736 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: Right? 737 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: And then we're gonna put Dj across from Marvin Harrison's 738 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: son and we are cook it. 739 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: That's it. I'll stop. 740 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of Bears fins are on that 741 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: page though, doesn't mean it's the right one though. 742 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: Fans like mistakes all the time in judgment, No they don't. Yeah, 743 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: you're right, we'll just skipped guys at the bar, all right. 744 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: Any other player, by the way. 745 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: Well, the only yeah this is this is a mid 746 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: level quarterback who's like a fringe starter. But like a 747 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 4: week ago, like the Baker Mayfield thing was working in Tampa, 748 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 4: a team that doesn't they're not in position go get 749 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 4: a number one overall pick, and there was like there 750 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 4: was reporting around the fact that there was mutual interest 751 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 4: on both sides, coming from an age and coming from 752 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 4: someone of the team. 753 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: I get it. 754 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 4: But like after last week talking about like two weeks 755 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 4: could change things, totally flat lining against the Saints and 756 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: then if they were ever to lose to the Panthers, 757 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, we're looking for a new quarterback and 758 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 4: a new a lot of things at that point. 759 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 3: That's a good point. 760 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: Maybe a new head coach, maybe a new GM, maybe 761 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: a new quarterback. 762 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: That's Mark. 763 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: I know you're under the weather, but I'm glad you 764 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: brought that up, because they are a team in flux. 765 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 3: It is crazy against a Panthers. I mean it shouldn't matter, 766 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: but I think you're absolutely right. And then if he 767 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 3: plays pretty well, you know that you make the playoffs. 768 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: You maybe play well in the playoffs for a game. Heck, 769 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: they may. They may play too because they're playing the Eagles. 770 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a random name here. How about a 771 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: Rams defensive tackle Kobe Turner. Oh, who's Kobe Turner. He's 772 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: someone that's not even listed Randel. It's one of the 773 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: top six possible players for Defensive Rookie of the Year. 774 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: This man has nine sacks. 775 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 4: It half in the last time. 776 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: The pressures he has I was looking him versus Carter. 777 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: He has more pressures than Jalen Carter. I think defensive 778 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year should be much more wide open 779 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: than it is in Vegas, where it's Carter has a 780 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: pretty decent sized favorite. And then Weatherspoon is in there 781 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: for the Seahawks. Turner is there at the PFF grade, 782 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: the the pressures, everything lines up. He needs that I 783 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 3: think gets some media momentum and maybe you have another 784 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 3: sack or two. 785 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 786 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: But man, like a defensive interior guy getting ten or 787 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: eleven sacks that that would be nice going draftok of 788 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: the Year. 789 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 4: Eighty ninth overall, I mean you want less their draft class. 790 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: Good job, man, he's had a year and Seany McVay. 791 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: They are building that thing on the fly, all right. 792 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: Any others that's. 793 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 3: It, they're not gonna play. I would say you, Kobe, 794 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 3: be nice for Kate Garrett, Kobe Turnan. 795 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: That's the that's the value that you bring Greg so 796 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: much value. But the drop of Kobe Turner's like, yeah, 797 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: we talked about the quarterbacks, but there's all so a 798 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: nose tackle no one's. 799 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: Paying attention to then eighteen Yeah, it's like all on 800 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 2: the line. What is he? Where's he at? 801 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 3: Defensive tackle? I guess the kind of like one moving 802 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: around a little. 803 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: Bit, But yeah, why do you have to correct me? 804 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: Just let that one go. 805 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: Nobody would have known, maybe like bo Wolf would have known, 806 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: like ninety nine point what eight percent of people would 807 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: have been like, oh, nose tackle. 808 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: That's right. Well, now you've made a fool of me 809 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 2: on the show. Thank you. 810 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 4: We're not going to be able to come back from 811 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 4: that easily. 812 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: What we're going to bust them down for that? You're 813 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: an intern again. I'm sorry. We got to take it. No, No, 814 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: no additional crew. 815 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: What did we decide additional crew in ac additional cur 816 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: That's that's what they give me for like driving the 817 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: direct your executive producer to target for to pick up things. No, 818 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: you're way more valuable than that flash point focus and 819 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: we're going to get to it. 820 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: Count up after the. 821 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 6: Break path might be harder, but shoot, you know, like 822 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 6: I said, our goals are ahead of us. We got 823 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 6: to get fixed, and we got to get him fixed fast. 824 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 6: We're not where we want to be right yet as 825 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 6: far as you know how we're playing right now, but 826 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 6: and how we're coaching right now. But we got time 827 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 6: to get it fixed and we'll get to work. Back 828 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 6: to work tonight and tomorrow. 829 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 2: MM. 830 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Nick Sirianne, WHOA the Philadelphia Eagles started ten 831 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: to one, but I've lost four and four or five 832 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: coming apart at the seams. It seems this year inconsistent 833 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 1: on offense, defense has turned into a mess with Matt 834 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: Patricia being tasked to fix things up. 835 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: So that tells you a lot. 836 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: And now we're gonna be joined by a guest who 837 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: knows this team as well as anyone who's been on 838 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: the show before a friend of the show. Now with 839 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: Allphilly dot com a l l P h l y 840 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: dot com covering the Eagles, it's Bow Wolf Bow, welcome 841 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: back to the show. 842 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 7: Thank you for having me. 843 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 8: I got to say the last time I was on, 844 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 8: the first time was was I was on paternity leave 845 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 8: after the birth of my daughter. This was twenty twenty, 846 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 8: so you know, eagles despair cells, I guess, but I 847 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 8: gotta I gotta thank you guys, because you know, we all, 848 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 8: we all like measure time in different ways. I look 849 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 8: at my daughter growing into the you know, the dynamo 850 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 8: she is today, you know, you know, just this this 851 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 8: force of nature, and all of that time, three years 852 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 8: and two months or so, it's been in the back 853 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 8: of my mind. 854 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 7: Am I on the hit it and quit it one 855 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 7: and done with. I can be a more present father. 856 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: You are definitely not now. 857 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 3: We just needed the egos to start. H I left 858 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 3: falling apart. 859 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm picturing bo like all these great milestones of having 860 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: a young child, and you're just and your wife's there 861 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 1: and you're just looking off into the middle distance during 862 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: first birthdays and all these Christmas and all that stuff, 863 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: wondering will they call again? 864 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 8: Now you're there, my my, maybe my resolution should have 865 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 8: been to be a more present father, and you guys 866 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 8: are giving me that now because now I can put 867 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 8: that to bed. 868 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's yeah, that's what we do to help you 869 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 4: know our guests, and you are you're back on a 870 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 4: second visit, so you're a good guest. 871 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: And Bo, just I took a big hits in my 872 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: integrity at the end of the last segment with the 873 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: whole Kobe Turner nose tackle debacle. 874 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 2: You have a connection to Turner. I understand. 875 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I figured you were doing that on purpose. 876 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 8: We're doing wake Forest here, we got we gotta go. 877 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 8: Deek's conversation. Greg Dortch lights up the Eagles last week. 878 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 8: We can just make that the whole segment. 879 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 7: If you want. 880 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: And you knew that he wasn't a nose tackle. 881 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 7: Right, well, of course, you know, all good Demon Deacons 882 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 7: know that. 883 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: Damn it, damnit. 884 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: Tim Duncan knows. All right, let's talk Eagles, Let's do it. 885 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: What's going on? What the hell, as Vince Lombardi once said, 886 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: what the hell's going on out there? 887 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: Is this team? 888 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: And they were someone who's asked I wish I could 889 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,479 Speaker 1: remember who it is right now? Is the team still 890 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: believe in the direction of the head coach? And and 891 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: it was answered in a way like, don't even bring 892 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 1: that up. Do you feel like there's something internally building 893 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: when this team that could potentially blow How bad is 894 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: it right now. 895 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 2: With the Eagles? 896 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 7: I do? 897 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 8: And I think the thing that like gave that all 898 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 8: away was the decision to you know, fire but not 899 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 8: fire Sean Decai in favor of Matt Patricia. I mean, 900 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 8: there's a there's a saying that Fletcher Cox likes to say, 901 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 8: which he's he's shared with us on our on our podcast, 902 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 8: which is the commer. You are the commer, we are, right, 903 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 8: And so like longevity wise, keeping the temperature of the 904 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 8: team wise, you want a guy who's who's sort of steady, 905 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 8: And that decision at that point in the season when yeah, 906 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 8: you came off two blowout losses to the Niners and Cowboys, 907 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 8: and there's some understanding that you know, maybe they were 908 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,479 Speaker 8: looking at that decision at some point during the bye week, 909 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 8: but to go from Sean Decai, keep him around and 910 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 8: sort of like do the embarrassing thing of you know, 911 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 8: making him be on TV upstairs, and then bring in 912 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 8: Matt Patricia, who does not have a great track record 913 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 8: as a defensive coordinator. 914 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 7: He's not calling this defense, and you. 915 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 8: Set it up so that, okay, he gets to play 916 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 8: Drew Locke, and then you know Tommy Cutlets and then 917 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 8: this Cardinals team that's very bad and okay, the defense 918 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 8: should look better, and then they come out and put 919 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 8: out like the worst defensive performance of the season against 920 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 8: the Cardinals. They give up four touchdowns on those four 921 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 8: second half possessions. 922 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 7: Like, I think there is I think there is some rot. 923 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 8: And you think about, like why that decision would have 924 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 8: been made, right, Is it either Sirianni, you know, being 925 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 8: a little bit defensive about what is going on with 926 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 8: the team and thinking that he has to make a change. 927 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 8: Is it the input of Howie Roseman or Jeffy Leurry, 928 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 8: people from above? 929 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 7: Whatever. The answer is, neither is suggestive of longevity. 930 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 8: And so I don't think that that means that, you know, 931 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 8: Nick Sirianni is definitely on the hot seat when the 932 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 8: season is over. 933 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 7: But I think if you look at some of the 934 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 7: like the body. 935 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 8: Language stuff that goes on on the sidelines and some 936 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 8: of the conversations that are being had about the predictability 937 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 8: of the offense, and you think back to the decision 938 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 8: that you know, Jeffy Leary made to move on from 939 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 8: Doug Peterson after twenty twenty. What he said was like, 940 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 8: deserve has nothing to do with this. It's it's like, 941 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 8: how do we move forward? And so like Nick Sirianni 942 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 8: deserves to still be the head coach of the team 943 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 8: based on how good he has been over the course 944 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 8: of three years. But if they don't get the answers 945 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 8: that they want at the end of the season, and 946 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 8: certainly they know more about the dynamics in the locker 947 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 8: room than we do, then like, knowing the history of 948 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,280 Speaker 8: this organization, I don't think it's insane. 949 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 3: Wow, I was fascinated. It was a couple weeks back 950 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,879 Speaker 3: bo you guys. I think it was after their second 951 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: straight loss. You guys even then on your podcast titled 952 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 3: the pod something like should Sirianni be on the hot seat? 953 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: I was like, whoa pho, I go it all hot 954 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 3: take like, wip over there you and Zach Well. 955 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 7: I will share with you, Zach, Zach. You know my partner, 956 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 7: Zach Erman. 957 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 8: He did not like that and I can't any later, right, well, 958 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 8: And the idea was to indulge the worst case scenario, 959 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 8: and at that point, like the worst case scenario was 960 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 8: like there's no way they're going to lose three of 961 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 8: the next four. But then they lose to the Seahawks 962 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 8: and the Cardinals, and you see the way that things 963 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 8: have gone. I sort of the way that I framed 964 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 8: it is that like this season has been like they 965 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 8: are speed running the post twenty seventeen collapse and so 966 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 8: like the first third of the season was like the 967 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 8: twenty eighteen season, when they were still good, getting by 968 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 8: on winning close games and like a borderline of contender. 969 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 8: The middle part of the season was like twenty nineteen 970 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 8: when they were relying on all these old guys and 971 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 8: like just okay enough to make the playoffs. And then 972 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 8: the twenty twenty season was like doubling down on all 973 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 8: these people who brought them input in the coaching staff, 974 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 8: all of this turmoil, and all of a sudden things 975 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 8: blow up. So you know, my sense is like most 976 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 8: of the players in the locker room still like Nick Sirianni. 977 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 8: I think there is enough of a track record of 978 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 8: him being a very good coach, Like I think he 979 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 8: has been an underrated coach for the first two years 980 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 8: of his career. I don't think he gets enough credit 981 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 8: for what he did last year. But like the I 982 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 8: think the long term concern with Nick was like all 983 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 8: of the highs and lows, is that something that is 984 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 8: going to last for a long time we're seeing right now? 985 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 7: Is that working? I don't know. 986 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 8: I think it's going to be like, what is your 987 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 8: plan to fix things? If this goes as bad as 988 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 8: it looks like it may go, and if they don't 989 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 8: get the answers they like. Remember when they fired Doug Peterson, 990 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 8: it was like a week after the end of the season, 991 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 8: they said that he was coming back, and then they 992 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,919 Speaker 8: sort of went back and changed their mind. 993 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 7: We'll see, We'll sort of see what happens. 994 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting, I mean to have the 995 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:27,240 Speaker 4: moment of complete meltdown happened against Jonathan Gannon's Arizona Cardinals 996 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 4: team where they controlled the ball for forty minutes. That's 997 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 4: unusual for an Eagles defense in our time doing the 998 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 4: show or as an Eagles fan in general. And Shane 999 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 4: Steichen is Coach of the Year material in Indianapolis, so 1000 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 4: part of the job of a head coach is to 1001 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 4: find the best people to take over when coordinator absences occur. 1002 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I always thought that if anything, Brian Johnson, 1003 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 4: who had been tagged as Jalen Hurts is you know, 1004 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 4: friend and coach and mentor going back to high school, 1005 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 4: that's seen about as seamless as it could be. And 1006 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 4: it's not been the case. Hurts has been a different 1007 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 4: quarterback this year. And tell me if I'm wrong, But 1008 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 4: I feel like in some of these press conferences there 1009 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 4: seems to be almost coded language of concern about the 1010 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 4: team in general. And like Hurts a year ago was 1011 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,359 Speaker 4: like the leader of the year and everyone talked about 1012 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 4: how he unified the entire locker room. Where are the 1013 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 4: players in all this right now in terms of like disenfranchisement, 1014 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 4: because I feel like on a weekly basis, AJ Brown 1015 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 4: is melting down, Hurts seems gloomy. It just seems like 1016 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 4: the energy around the Eagles has bottomed out. 1017 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 8: I don't think there's any doubt about that. Like vibes wise, 1018 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 8: things are not great right now. AJ Brown has declined 1019 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 8: to talk to reporters after each of the past two games. 1020 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 8: He didn't talk last week, he said, you know, if 1021 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 8: I've got nothing nice to say, I'm not going to 1022 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 8: say anything at all the Jalen Hurts of it all. 1023 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 8: I have sort of made the case that, like the 1024 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 8: team takes its personality from Jalen more so than Nick 1025 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 8: over the past couple of years. I don't think that 1026 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 8: Jalen has been the problem, but I do think, like, 1027 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 8: if we take a step back, it is fair to say, like, Okay, 1028 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 8: the degree of difficulty. 1029 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 7: For this season is very difficult. 1030 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 8: There's a reason that, you know, teams who lose in 1031 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 8: the Super Bowl do not often get back there. 1032 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 7: Like there's rest to it. 1033 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 8: There is like the adjustment of expectations and dealing with 1034 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 8: guys in the locker room. As you said, they lost 1035 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 8: both coordinators. You know, we made such a big deal 1036 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 8: last offseason about this was the first time that Jalen 1037 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 8: Hurts was going to get his second season in a 1038 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,359 Speaker 8: row with the same offensive play caller for the first 1039 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 8: time since he was in high school. Okay, like, just 1040 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 8: because he knows Brian Johnson doesn't mean that that's going 1041 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 8: to be a seamless transition this year. But like, you know, 1042 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 8: if I'm aj Brown and I am this ultra competitive guy, 1043 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 8: and I want us to win more than anything, and 1044 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 8: I know that one of the best ways for us 1045 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 8: to win is for me to get the ball. 1046 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 7: And I'm not. 1047 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 8: Getting the ball enough, or we're like the play calling 1048 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 8: on offense or the structure is not taking advantage of 1049 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 8: me and DeVante Smith and Dallas Godded enough. 1050 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 7: I would probably be upset too. 1051 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 8: And I think that last, the second to last possession 1052 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 8: of the loss of the Cardinals was sort of telling here, right, 1053 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 8: because the defense had been getting totally run over all 1054 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 8: game long. You know that the defense doesn't stand a 1055 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 8: good chance of stopping the Cardinals here. So Jonathan Gannon, 1056 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 8: with like five and a half minutes left, makes the 1057 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 8: what I think was kind of a shrewd decision to 1058 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 8: go for the on side kick, knowing that if you 1059 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,359 Speaker 8: don't get it, you're sort of baiting the Eagles into 1060 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 8: being a little bit conservative there to settle for the 1061 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 8: field goal because they're already within range. And the Eagles 1062 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 8: get the first play, they get a nice completion to 1063 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 8: aj Brown for like fifteen yards. The next play is 1064 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 8: a cold run and Jordan Malina gets called for holding, 1065 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 8: So now it's first and twenty and there's like, you know, 1066 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 8: four minutes left, you should still go for a touchdown. 1067 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 8: This is a bad Cardinals defense. And you've got aj 1068 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 8: Brown and DeVante Smith and Dallas Goddard, a very good 1069 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 8: offensive line and this quarterback you paid all this money to, 1070 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 8: and instead they call Jalen Hurts run read option and 1071 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 8: then a screen to Kenneth Gainwell on third and nineteen 1072 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 8: that gets DeVante Smith injured as a blocker, and like I'm. 1073 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 3: Kissing everyone here booing just as the team takes the 1074 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 3: lead with three minutes left. I don't know if I've 1075 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 3: ever heard that booing before. It booed literally as the 1076 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 3: team takes the lead with a couple It's kind of amazing. 1077 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 8: Right, If you put all this money into those players 1078 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 8: and you can't trust them to go win the game 1079 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,919 Speaker 8: against a team that is like incentivized to lose, then what. 1080 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 7: Are we doing. 1081 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,280 Speaker 1: It's a great call because who knows Nick Sirianni's tendency 1082 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: is better than Jonathan Gann and they were together every day, 1083 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: and you're right, he baited him into that and then 1084 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: sure enough it ended up getting him beat. Now you also, 1085 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: I keep one of the things I keep going back 1086 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: to because there's been obviously a lot of studying of 1087 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: what's wrong with the offense, why hasn't been consistent, But 1088 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: they invested four first round picks in that defensive front, 1089 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: and you know, to watch what the Cardinals are doing, 1090 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: and we all like James Connor. 1091 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 2: He's overcome a lot. He's a solid running back. 1092 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: And Michael Carter I remember back in his Jets days 1093 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: early on, he was a guy that had some juice 1094 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: to him but had been off the radar for a 1095 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: couple of years. But what they were able to do 1096 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: to the just running over this expensive, high talent front 1097 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,759 Speaker 1: of the Eagles is another sign of what's gone wrong 1098 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: with the season. Like, can you help make sense of 1099 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: what has happened up that was supposed to be the 1100 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: strength of their unit. 1101 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 8: It's a it's a huge question, and it's it's the 1102 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 8: biggest problem with the Eagles this season. I think it's 1103 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 8: the biggest reason they are where they are is that 1104 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 8: the defensive line has underperformed. You know, we had Brian 1105 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 8: Baldinger on our show today, you know your boy when 1106 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,720 Speaker 8: he's talking about how Jordan Davis is out there looking 1107 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 8: like out of shape, not trying like why is he 1108 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,280 Speaker 8: even active? Like we're talking about the guy they drafted 1109 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,439 Speaker 8: one spot over Kyle Hamilton, by the way, Like maybe 1110 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,840 Speaker 8: there is a bit of a diminishing returns to investing 1111 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 8: everything in the defensive line, but it's not just Jordan Davis. 1112 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 7: These guys are underperforming. 1113 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 8: And one thing that is on my radar about like 1114 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 8: the Sean Decai experience here is the Eagles organization has 1115 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 8: for so long been very heavy about their defensive line 1116 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 8: rotations and the you know, the position coaches at defensive 1117 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 8: tackle and outside linebacker are the same as they were 1118 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 8: last year. Nick Sirianni is the same, Howie Roseman is 1119 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 8: the same, and the only different variable there is Sean Decai. 1120 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 8: And they were playing these guys way more than they 1121 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 8: had in year's pass over the first half of the season, 1122 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 8: and it's possible that that was a source of contention. 1123 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 8: You know, Josh Schwtt has played already like three hundred 1124 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 8: more snaps than he did a season ago. And if 1125 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 8: you were to tell me that this looks like a 1126 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 8: defensive line that is exhausted, that is what they sort 1127 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 8: of look like. But that's no excuse for as you said, 1128 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 8: like the defense is built around this defensive line, having 1129 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,879 Speaker 8: all of these first former first round picks and high 1130 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 8: priced players. Meanwhile, you got Hassano Redick dropping in coverage 1131 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 8: like seven times last week. It doesn't seem like they 1132 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 8: are making use of their resources. And there haven't even 1133 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 8: been that many injuries. Like there have been some injuries. 1134 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 8: Nikobe Dean, who was the work they were counting on 1135 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 8: to be their main linebacker, is out for the season. 1136 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 8: They've had a few injuries. You know, Darius Slay has 1137 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 8: missed the past few games. But it's no excuse. I mean, 1138 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 8: they have been like the worst third down defense on 1139 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 8: third and long in the league by a mile. It's 1140 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 8: it's it's sort of hard to. 1141 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 3: Explain, right right, there's so much talk about hurts and 1142 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 3: then I look at it and I'm like, he's still 1143 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 3: been He's still played like a top ten quarterback. They 1144 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 3: have the number eight offense in the league Devo, and 1145 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 3: they have the twenty eighth defense with all those resources. 1146 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 3: That that is the story. You've had this theory like 1147 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 3: their their coordinator was supposed to be Fangio and somehow 1148 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 3: that got mess up. I actually don't even understand it 1149 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 3: was supposed to be Fanio, but the Jonathan Gannon tampering 1150 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 3: case with Arizona somehow all led to that, like what 1151 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,839 Speaker 3: happened there? And do you think like if this goes 1152 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,280 Speaker 3: really bad, like they either lose Sunday or they win Sunday, 1153 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,359 Speaker 3: but then they lose the first round and it's ugly. 1154 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 3: So this is the two part question, the Fanjo thing 1155 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 3: just explained to me. And then do you think things 1156 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,840 Speaker 3: get blown up? Blown up? Like, like where do you 1157 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840 Speaker 3: see the blowing up happen? Because front office also might change, 1158 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 3: like Halliby is getting Alec, Halliby's getting supposedly getting interviews 1159 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 3: you know with other organizations, Like a lot could be 1160 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 3: changing here with this team. 1161 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw. 1162 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,840 Speaker 8: I think ben Standy got the Athletic had the rundown 1163 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,160 Speaker 8: of Commander's candidates. He had Halliby there. I think he's 1164 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 8: been linked to the Chargers as well. 1165 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:55,959 Speaker 2: Well. 1166 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 8: First of all, the Fangio thing, you know, he was 1167 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 8: in the building last year like all season. He was 1168 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 8: sort of out of the building as a consultant, but 1169 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 8: they sort of had him on retainer and then they 1170 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 8: brought him on like full force in the playoffs to 1171 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 8: sort of have him under contract. And listen, this is 1172 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 8: it's not totally dissimilar to them having Matt Patricia this year. 1173 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 8: Like he was sort of their their plan B knowing 1174 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 8: like when they Jeffrulary once said that they in twenty 1175 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 8: twenty one, the first year that they were they were 1176 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 8: renting Jonathan Gannon, you know, they knew that he was 1177 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 8: going to get a head coach job at some point, 1178 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,839 Speaker 8: so they had a plan B in Vic Fangio, and 1179 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 8: like we know that there is this this disconnect with 1180 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,800 Speaker 8: the Cardinals because they had that trade, as you guys 1181 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 8: have talked about because of the tampering. 1182 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:42,399 Speaker 7: And so. 1183 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 8: Fanjio gets like offered the Dolphins job around the time 1184 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 8: of the NFC Championship game, but he doesn't take it 1185 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 8: because the reporting is that he was sort of expecting 1186 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 8: to come to Philadelphia, but Gannon doesn't talk about how 1187 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 8: likely it is for him to go to Arizona and 1188 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 8: maybe he doesn't know still, well, every like, for all 1189 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 8: intentsive purposes, the Eagles expected that again and left Fanjo 1190 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 8: was going to be their defensive coordinator and Fanjo has 1191 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,439 Speaker 8: said as much that he was expecting that as well, 1192 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 8: and so then all of a sudden, you get in 1193 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 8: the situation where you've got to reach for somebody else, 1194 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 8: and they go for Sean Desai, who is the Fangioe disciple, 1195 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 8: and then in April or May they bring in Matt Patricia. 1196 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 8: I guess as a backup plan. 1197 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 7: And I don't know. 1198 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 8: It's hard to know exactly whether that decision to change 1199 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,480 Speaker 8: things mid season was a Syriani decision or Howie Roseman 1200 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 8: or Jeffrey Learry decision, but it's it's indicative of they 1201 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 8: were never really all in. I think setting aside, like 1202 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,439 Speaker 8: putting him on TV, which is just like because you're 1203 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 8: sort of just embarrassing the guy. It's it's hard to 1204 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 8: get over. And then if things go really badly, if 1205 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 8: they if they lose in the first round, you know, 1206 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 8: on the road to an NFC South team. I mean, 1207 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,399 Speaker 8: I think that it's a difficult conversation between Jeffrey Leary 1208 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 8: and Howi Rosamond and Nick Sirianni. 1209 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,760 Speaker 7: About what do you need to change? 1210 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 8: And I think they obviously need to make wholesale changes 1211 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,239 Speaker 8: on defense. My understanding is everybody in the building really 1212 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 8: likes matth Patricia, and to me from the outside, it's 1213 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 8: a hard sell to sort of hand things over to him. 1214 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 8: But maybe they're thinking that if he gets to build 1215 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 8: the defense the way he wants that, then it changes 1216 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,280 Speaker 8: something on offense. I think they sort of they need 1217 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 8: at the very least fresh perspective. 1218 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 7: And you saw them do this. 1219 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 8: They try to do this in twenty twenty that brought 1220 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,839 Speaker 8: in like Rich Scangarello to be the like Kyle Shanahan whispered, 1221 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 8: like marrying the run game in the passing game. One 1222 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 8: thing you see about the Segos offense, and it goes 1223 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 8: to the like the lack of creativity with it, Like 1224 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,800 Speaker 8: they run motion at the lowest rate in the league. 1225 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 8: There are no real easy buttons. They're terrible against zero blitzes. 1226 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 8: They need fresh perspective, and so maybe that's you know, 1227 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,040 Speaker 8: Nick Sirianni's saying, I agree with that, I need to 1228 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 8: get back to the drawing board. Who are some people 1229 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 8: I know around the league. It's not a new problem 1230 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 8: to have, like the brain drain of backfilling your coaching 1231 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 8: staff after losing your top lieutenant. But I wouldn't be 1232 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 8: surprised if they're trying to bring somebody else in again, 1233 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,280 Speaker 8: Like Deserve doesn't necessarily. 1234 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,680 Speaker 7: Have anything to do with it. 1235 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 8: I think if there is real dissension in the locker 1236 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 8: room between the players and Nick Sirianni, you know Howie 1237 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 8: Roseman is going to choose the players over the coaches. 1238 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 8: And I think that what we know, like of a 1239 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,840 Speaker 8: decade of watching the way the organization is run, is 1240 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 8: that the reason they think they are successful is because 1241 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 8: of what they do, you know, personnel wise, I think 1242 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 8: that of the three most important people in the organization, Sirianni, 1243 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,280 Speaker 8: Hurts and Roseman, Sirianni is the least important. 1244 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,279 Speaker 7: In Jeffery Larry's mind. 1245 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, Dom Dom is Fern naturally. 1246 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 7: Listen this all this losing Street Cohen science with. 1247 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 2: Dom Curse of Dom, I've floated it. 1248 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: By the way, there's a different team seemingly every January. 1249 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 2: That's like having the same conversation. 1250 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,720 Speaker 1: Man, I really like Matt, Like he's a good guy around, 1251 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 1: He's a friendly guy. I don't know if we need 1252 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: to have him around though. 1253 00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 8: Meanwhile, like that there's there's been this long feud between 1254 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,640 Speaker 8: I mean, Darius Lay and Matt Patricia. 1255 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 7: Like you meet Darius Lay. 1256 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,719 Speaker 8: The first day you meet him, the first thing you 1257 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 8: find out is he doesn't want to be called Darius, 1258 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 8: call him slay. The second thing you find out is 1259 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,600 Speaker 8: he hates Matt Patricia and then they bring in Matt Patricia. 1260 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 8: Now they say that you know they have mentioned those fences. 1261 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 8: Sleigh says, everything is fine. You know, they hug on 1262 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 8: the field before the game. But like it goes to 1263 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,919 Speaker 8: tell you that stars every side of the organization caring 1264 00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 8: about every other side. 1265 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 2: Right, No, he calls him Darius. That's why. That's why 1266 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 2: it happened. 1267 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 1: And now I'll put you on the spot before we 1268 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: say goodbye, and check out bo at Allphilly dot com, 1269 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 1: where they do great coverage of the team you mentioned it. 1270 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,760 Speaker 1: They're most likely, unless the Cowboys gag, which is certainly 1271 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: always possible, they're going to be on the road against 1272 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: the NFC South winner the first weekend of the playoffs. 1273 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 2: Let's say things go sideways. 1274 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 1: Baker in the Bucks thirty one, Eagles seventeen, all sorts 1275 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 1: of breakdowns on both sides of the ball, all that 1276 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,879 Speaker 1: bad body language, It all comes out during the late 1277 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,919 Speaker 1: stages of the game. Pressers are pretty woeful in terms 1278 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: of what people are saying. The Energy's terrible percentage chance. 1279 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni is the head coach gets fired after an 1280 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: event like that cataclysmic flashpoint. 1281 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 2: Focus it for us percentage. 1282 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,560 Speaker 7: You didn't get me in trouble with Zach. I think 1283 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,920 Speaker 7: I'm gonna go in that situation. 1284 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 2: Yes, that exact sage. 1285 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,319 Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't listen to this show thirty one 1286 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 3: seventeen bucks. 1287 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,960 Speaker 7: I'm going sixty to forty whoa, he go. 1288 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 3: I mean that's a lot of ifs to get to 1289 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 3: that point. 1290 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,240 Speaker 1: We won't We're not gonna pull it for social pullet 1291 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,799 Speaker 1: for social No, we won't do that to you, BO. 1292 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 2: But I just wanted to ask. 1293 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,359 Speaker 3: You that I'm giving you the same odds BO if 1294 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,759 Speaker 3: what we thought might be an annual occurrence. We have 1295 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 3: a tennis rematch at this super Bowl off the Eagles 1296 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 3: somehow snick in. I don't know if Dan even knows this, 1297 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,600 Speaker 3: but me, You're tennis with me and me and Bo. 1298 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 3: It was probably the most fun I had in here, 1299 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,319 Speaker 3: So I want to bring it up unless he won. 1300 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 3: So now I lost both. Hear me in a big spot, 1301 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 3: big server. I could still move, but the lack of 1302 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 3: tennis playing over the last twenty some od years came 1303 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 3: back to haunt me and he took care of me. 1304 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 8: Well, you're used to taking down taking down Walker, right, 1305 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 8: it's a little bit a little bit different. 1306 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 2: Greg often has stated he was like a tennis champion 1307 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 2: where he was from my team. Well, what does that 1308 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,400 Speaker 2: say about Bo? 1309 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,400 Speaker 3: He's a big hitter, hitter. 1310 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 2: It lays out the truth. Wow, And I think I. 1311 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 7: Think I might actually be in the Super Bowl this year. 1312 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 7: I think we're doing shows there. 1313 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,440 Speaker 3: For we can do it. 1314 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,960 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to watch. I would need a 1315 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: couple of drinks, but I feel like we could play. 1316 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 4: Tennis a podcast nearly weren't invited to watch the first time. 1317 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 4: So this is another one. Yes, any great super Bowl week? 1318 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure you were going to get into 1319 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 3: uber on Saturday morning, out to something that's old folks 1320 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 3: home where we was a really great setup. 1321 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 2: Was not a great Saturday is going to be. 1322 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,440 Speaker 8: My three yearld's making all this noise upstairs. I'm sure 1323 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 8: you can hear. She's probably be wondering, are you going 1324 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 8: to finally pay attention to me? 1325 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 2: Now? 1326 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 3: Right right? 1327 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate me, Daddy, go do that, but thanks, buddy, appreciate you. 1328 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 7: See about Thanks guys. 1329 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: All right, another big performance in Bo wull never never 1330 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 1: under consideration for hit it and quit it. 1331 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 2: Just we waited for the right moment to bring him back. 1332 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 4: But we're so vague about who's on the bad list 1333 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 4: that if you hadn't been brought back, it would go 1334 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 4: through your mind. 1335 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,800 Speaker 3: He's in a tough spot because you know there one 1336 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,520 Speaker 3: of MIAs optic teams. Colleen kind of handles the Eagles situation, 1337 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 3: so it's tough. It's tough to break in there. 1338 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 4: I think if I was playing singles, it's one of 1339 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 4: the hosts of the show Singles Tennis, Like, I'd assume 1340 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 4: I'm in on the good list. 1341 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, but I he if he listens to if 1342 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 3: Bo listens to the show, he knows I'm not the 1343 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 3: one making that list. Ultimately, I can contribute, but uh, 1344 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,880 Speaker 3: what does that mean you're making the list? I don't 1345 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 3: make the list. Listen if you get if you are 1346 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 3: who's making the list? Mark? 1347 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,480 Speaker 4: I mean I would say I have a y. There 1348 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 4: is fair little controversy between us about who's on that. 1349 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 1: There is consensus we're not going to be There's never 1350 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: been one one of you guys like no, he's good. 1351 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: It's like no, no, Like usually. 1352 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,760 Speaker 2: We're on the same page. It's a short list. 1353 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 1: I could think of one in particular. Yes, by the 1354 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: way I figured out what it is about it, I. 1355 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,760 Speaker 3: Don't know what's one you mean, because I can think 1356 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 3: of two. 1357 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Uh oh, yeah, No, I know 1358 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. The thing about it is because 1359 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: I want to make sure we're on the same page 1360 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: with in terms of credits for production on Flash by Focus. 1361 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 3: That's imperative. 1362 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 1: I think what it is that we're we're bumping up 1363 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 1: against CESTAG is that Greg really is important to it, 1364 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,440 Speaker 1: and it's almost like to take it and frame it 1365 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: in like a TV show. 1366 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:47,680 Speaker 2: He's like the talent. 1367 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: He's like a real talent in the writer's room. 1368 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 2: But there's also he's kind of a ratic. 1369 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: He's like very confident, very kind of shoots from the 1370 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 1: lip and gets some people uncomfortable. There's been a couple 1371 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: of inner offense Roman inter office romances that went sideways. 1372 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,280 Speaker 3: He crashed a second. 1373 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: He crashed a Porsche after the holiday party one year, 1374 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, and there's just like he's such a talent 1375 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,760 Speaker 1: and we want to promote him and keep him within 1376 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,120 Speaker 1: the enterprise. We do, but there's always just these things 1377 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,560 Speaker 1: in the back of our mind, like we don't want 1378 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: to create a monster or feed the monster, you know. 1379 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 2: What I mean? 1380 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. You know, it's when you give 1381 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 4: Greg a little bit of power, you start to become 1382 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,280 Speaker 4: concerned with what can unfold at that point, and you know, 1383 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 4: we sort of see it in various tangible ways, even 1384 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 4: with this production. 1385 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm a weirdo, but you know what I mean, right, Like, 1386 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: it's not personal, it's just I want to make sure 1387 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: like this, this is such a valuable property. 1388 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 3: You're threatened a little bit. You're threatened. 1389 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,800 Speaker 2: I think you're a little around. 1390 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,040 Speaker 4: You're using a guiding hand, Dan, like a fatherly guiding hand. 1391 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,080 Speaker 1: You don't want We see it. Yeah, we see it. 1392 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: We see what's happening, and we're like, can we control this? Yeah, 1393 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean I know the answer to that. Look, he's 1394 01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 1: about to say something else annoying. 1395 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:04,600 Speaker 3: You're like, uh, your officer winslow on on whatever that 1396 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,840 Speaker 3: show is. You don't want to Urkle taken over. You know, 1397 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,400 Speaker 3: you don't want to become the Erkele Show. Okay, so 1398 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 3: you framed yourself as Steve Erkele here, family matters, Family matters. 1399 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Carl, Yeah, Carl Winslow got he got banged that actor 1400 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,919 Speaker 1: because he was coming off die Hard and they were like, oh, 1401 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: we got a vehicle for you. You're gonna host like 1402 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: this very family friendly sitcom on ABC. And he's like 1403 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,120 Speaker 1: that sounds great and uh and he becomes the star 1404 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,760 Speaker 1: until Erkele shows up and Greg has positioned himself as 1405 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: the Erkele you know I do that, and all of 1406 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 1: a sudden it was Erkele, Erkele merch and everything hung 1407 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:42,640 Speaker 1: on Urkle. 1408 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well wait, so I'm not a I'm not 1409 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 4: a religious watcher of that show. 1410 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,360 Speaker 2: While do you want to know who you are? 1411 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,800 Speaker 4: Did he not appear like early in the show, like 1412 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 4: did he come in? 1413 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Merkle was? 1414 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Initially he would show up every once in a while, 1415 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: And no, you are not, because I know you sometimes 1416 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: get worried you're not the They had one that just 1417 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,920 Speaker 1: disappeared on that show, that's not you. 1418 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 2: How did you disappear? 1419 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 1: I always liked that was gone when they're just like, 1420 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,880 Speaker 1: this isn't work. Do you have a grandma or the 1421 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,920 Speaker 1: daughter someone one day was just gone? Written now the 1422 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:12,560 Speaker 1: scratch any. 1423 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 2: Family matters watchers behind the glass that show? 1424 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,800 Speaker 4: I mean they don't know. They probably just waiting, probably 1425 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,240 Speaker 4: like looking at their clocks right now. 1426 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,080 Speaker 2: All right, that's it. 1427 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,880 Speaker 3: Anything else good, good show got the big Thursday previews. 1428 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 1: It was fine be minus minus say really good though 1429 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,720 Speaker 1: strong mind. 1430 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:33,400 Speaker 6: B. 1431 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I think it was good be minus. That seems fair good, 1432 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,680 Speaker 1: it's fair, I mean unfair. You're saying it's unfair. 1433 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 3: I think that's a that's the level we've been at. 1434 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,400 Speaker 3: That's our level eleven years. Why go a hid? 1435 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 2: Why go for change? 1436 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 4: Nothing from last year to this year? 1437 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: So all right until let's see what is today Tuesday, 1438 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Tuesday World, We'll see you on Thursday with the week 1439 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,240 Speaker 1: eighteen preview, hopefully another B minustill then heed the call