WEBVTT - Frank Vogel Faces Major Hurdles In Phoenix

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<v Speaker 1>So the coaching carousel is finally slowing down. There's only

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<v Speaker 1>one team that needs a coach left. It's Toronto. Did

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<v Speaker 1>anybody think Toronto was going to be the last job standing?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't now the Phoenix Suns. They just shook the

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<v Speaker 1>foundations of the NBA by hiring Frank Vogel. Wild You

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<v Speaker 1>might think that this is a peculiar higher. Matt Ishbie

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<v Speaker 1>clearly likes headlines. This is about the least splashy headline

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<v Speaker 1>higher you could have. Like, Frank Vogel was the coach

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<v Speaker 1>that was the second option after Monty Williams turned down

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<v Speaker 1>the La Lakers job. If you remember that so quite literally,

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Vogel is just walking in Monty Williams a shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not for Monnie Williams, Frank Vogels maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>coaching at all. It does make a little bit of sense, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Vogel's very good at managing egos. He's known for that.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a lot of experience overseeing the roster with

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis, Lebron James, ultimately Russell Westbrook, which didn't work out,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did win a ring in the bubble. He

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<v Speaker 1>was very successful at figuring out a way and also

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<v Speaker 1>like low key Kyle Kuzma, like managing Kyle Kuzma's ego

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<v Speaker 1>could not have been easy either. There was no Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>Kuzma league fits strolling down the Staples Center tunnel. All

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<v Speaker 1>the league fits from Kyle Kuzma and his crazy, wild

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<v Speaker 1>like electric magneto. Like doctor Sue, shit came when he

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<v Speaker 1>went to Washington. What he inherits Frank Vogel is a

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<v Speaker 1>team with has a good bit of locker room drama.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Jay Crowder wanted out, he was on strike until

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<v Speaker 1>the trade deadline, he got shipped out. DeAndre Ayton is

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<v Speaker 1>quiet quitting, Chris Paul's body is quiet quitting. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you add that to Kevin Durant and Devin Booker doing

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<v Speaker 1>everything that they can to shoulder the burden of this

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<v Speaker 1>franchise and a team with absolutely zero depth where you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to rely on Landry Shammant hitting eight threes in

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<v Speaker 1>a fourth quarter in order for your team to stay competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say personally that Frank Vogel has his work

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<v Speaker 1>cut out for him. First of all, the hallmark of

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<v Speaker 1>Vogals teams is defense, and the running gun souns are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the opposite of that, vocals defense is built

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<v Speaker 1>around a rum protector. When you know the Lakers, they

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<v Speaker 1>had Javel McGee, they had backup Dwight Howard to support

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis. With the Pacers, he built around Roy Hibbert

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<v Speaker 1>and shockingly, Andrew Binham. In Phoenix, he's got again a

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<v Speaker 1>non rim protecting DeAndre Ayton, who probably maybe gets shipped out,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacques Landell, who I don't know what you're getting from him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bismack Biambo. It's gonna be a hard, hard road

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<v Speaker 1>to build a Vogel style defense without a big man

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle protecting the rim. A second, it's we

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<v Speaker 1>got a point guard problem in Phoenix. Chris Paul not

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<v Speaker 1>only had his annual injury during the playoffs, but by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the season he looked like his legs

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty much gone anyway. He averaged twelve five and

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<v Speaker 1>seven in the playoffs, which was his season average of

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen four and nine, by far, the least productive numbers

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<v Speaker 1>of his entire seventeen year career. Literally, even in his

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<v Speaker 1>rookie ear Chris Paul averaged sixteen to five, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was his worst statistical season until this past season with

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<v Speaker 1>his injury problems by the way, he missed twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>regular season games in the last four playoff games, plus

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<v Speaker 1>his declining production, the Suns need help with the point

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<v Speaker 1>guard spot, and they need it fast. Plus. Vogel described

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<v Speaker 1>his offensive philosophy as intelligent movement through randomness. He said

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<v Speaker 1>this in his final season with the Lakers. We want

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<v Speaker 1>to give our playmakers as much space as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Just emphasizing the movements off those cuts and then the

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<v Speaker 1>reshapes out of those is something that we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do with all of our guys. Chris Paul, like three

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<v Speaker 1>four years ago would have been really a great fit

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<v Speaker 1>for Frank Vogel CP three, maybe even two years ago

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<v Speaker 1>would have been fine. But this version of Chris Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not fast enough anymore. He's not cutting any more.

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<v Speaker 1>That means taller guards who he used to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to the gate with the speed are now absolutely cooking

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Paul. His defensive rating this year was one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve point three, again the worst of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>His defensive rating ballooned to an obscene one seventeen point

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<v Speaker 1>three in the playoffs this year. Gross, here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, Chris Paul's not a starting point guard anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and Frank Vogel knows it. Matt Ishbia probably knows it.

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<v Speaker 1>James Jones knows it, which means not only are the

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<v Speaker 1>Suns in the market for a rim protector aka potentially

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Turner, but also they need a point guard as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Suns are going to be a playoff team as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they're healthy, but with Chris Paul, Kevin Durant,

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<v Speaker 1>and Devin Booker all with injury issues, even Devin Booker

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<v Speaker 1>last year missed nineteen games, this is a very thin

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<v Speaker 1>team that's not going to survive even a paper cut.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing the Suns did was not just hiring Voguel,

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<v Speaker 1>It was making sure Kevin Young, the lead assistant who

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<v Speaker 1>was the finalist for the head coaching job, stayed put.

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<v Speaker 1>All they needed to do to accomplish that goal was

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<v Speaker 1>make him the highest paid assistant coach in the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars per year. I like the Suns. I

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<v Speaker 1>like Devin Booker, I like Kevin Durance. I also like

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<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Aighten, But I don't really like Frank Vogel teams

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<v Speaker 1>at all, Like they're not very fun to watch. I

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<v Speaker 1>hated watching the Lakers. When Frank Vogel coaches him, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of defense and not a lot of offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully he will not uglify the Suns too much next season.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on, let's talk a little bit about Kayleb Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb Martin two way player, coming out party in the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs average ten to five and two this season for

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<v Speaker 1>the Heat, but put on the afterburners in the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>average fourteen six and two, shooting forty four percent from three.

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<v Speaker 1>Had some huge games to put him on the map.

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<v Speaker 1>A bunch of people are now excited about Caleb Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one thing that a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>know is how Caleb Martin got into the league and

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<v Speaker 1>that he owes his career to Ja Cole. Because Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Ban Gundy will not stop talking about it, we now

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<v Speaker 1>know that Caleb Martin was an undrafted free agent. Every game,

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<v Speaker 1>I swear to God, Jeff Van Gundy talks about all

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<v Speaker 1>the undrafted free agents that Miami picked up. Take a

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<v Speaker 1>drink every time you hear heat culture. Take a drink

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<v Speaker 1>every time you hear heat role players stepping up. Take

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<v Speaker 1>a drink every time you hear the word undrafted. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>back to Caleb Martin. Caleb Martin played two years for

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<v Speaker 1>the Hornets, and he was at this point getting the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe that they were out on him as a player.

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<v Speaker 1>So he went back to North Carolina with a twin brother, Cody,

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<v Speaker 1>the train playing some North Carolina runs and if you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>both twins went to NC State, so North Carolina was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of back in their backyard. J Cole, who's also

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<v Speaker 1>from North Carolina, played professional basketball in Africa for Rwanda,

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<v Speaker 1>a little known fact, had followed both of the Martin's

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<v Speaker 1>careers at NC State and was also in the run

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<v Speaker 1>playing as well. But apparently Caleb was so impressive and

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<v Speaker 1>cooking pretty much everyone on site that J. Cole called

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<v Speaker 1>up his friend and Miami assistant called Ron Butler, and said,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to give Caleb Martin a shot. He's really,

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<v Speaker 1>really good. You need to You're an idiot if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't give him a look. He's easily one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best player on the floor on these runs, so you

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<v Speaker 1>need to at least invite him to camp. What's the least.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you guys do. That's all you guys do

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<v Speaker 1>is pick up undrafted free agents, so you might as

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<v Speaker 1>well look at Kayler Martin. Martin goes into camp and

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<v Speaker 1>presses the fuck out of Eric Spolstra, and he earns

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<v Speaker 1>himself a two way contract. Halfway through his first season

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<v Speaker 1>with the Heat, he was in the rotation, helped them

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<v Speaker 1>becoming the number one seed in the East and one

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<v Speaker 1>three away one Jimmy Butler three away from the finals

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<v Speaker 1>and without Jay Cole. I don't even know if Caleb

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<v Speaker 1>Martin is in the league right now. He's definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>on the Heat and kron Butler pretty much said that

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<v Speaker 1>when asked about Ja Cole, cron Butler said, there are

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<v Speaker 1>certain people that when they call you about particular people,

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<v Speaker 1>the messages and the favor is a little louder than others.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just one of those things where I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually called me about this kid, and he was like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin needs that opportunity. I love this story. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this story because Jay Cole had nothing to gain. He

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<v Speaker 1>had no reason to make that call other than the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he saw a player who deserved an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>and a city situation where he could help. He did

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<v Speaker 1>it because Caleb Martin needed a break and if given

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<v Speaker 1>the break, Caleb Martin was going to run with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did all the way to the NBA Finals.

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