WEBVTT - Call It with Sophia Bush

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<v Speaker 1>Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,

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<v Speaker 1>an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew.

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<v Speaker 3>And welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is,

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<v Speaker 3>But this this time it's a crossover. We're in the

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<v Speaker 3>second start. We started with work in Progress with Sophia Bush.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm staring at her gorgeous face right now. Hi, hialating,

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<v Speaker 3>And and the second half of this podcast is with us.

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<v Speaker 1>She got to You're gonna need to go over to

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<v Speaker 1>hers to get the first half because a lot got said,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot got said to get said here too, So

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<v Speaker 1>we have to start by saying Sophia.

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<v Speaker 3>When we started the podcast, we were looking for names

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<v Speaker 3>you under, you know, to find the name is a

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<v Speaker 3>big deal, right, And we just kept going back to

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<v Speaker 3>how annoying it was so annoyed that you guys had

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<v Speaker 3>taken drama Queens because it was just so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 4>It is so good.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you member coming up with it?

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<v Speaker 4>Did the three of you come up with it together?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And it's it just sort of hit us. We

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about all these things and and it also

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<v Speaker 2>felt fun, you know, when you do a version of

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<v Speaker 2>a primetime soap, and especially in the early aughts when

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<v Speaker 2>we were all getting made fun of for it. We

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<v Speaker 2>were like, we're going to own this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you feel like you got made fun of

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<v Speaker 3>because I remember wanting to be on your show so

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<v Speaker 3>badly as one of the actresses coming in.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 1>One Tree Hill. Yeah yeah, yeah, of course because you

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<v Speaker 1>auditioned for right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you listen to how well that went in the.

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<v Speaker 2>I am yeah, we got made fun of a ton

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was very like ooh teen dramas wah

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<v Speaker 2>waht like we got we got ripped apart on the

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<v Speaker 2>soup every week. For whatever reason. Joel McHale loved to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how ridiculous honestly, like sometimes he was right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we had a dog that ate a heart

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<v Speaker 2>on our show, Like you guys do a medical show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think you've ever had an animal eat

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<v Speaker 2>an organ.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't sound not crazy, But these shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Was so sexy. I remember, like the Billboards, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>being very sexy.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys on the cover of magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it was a smoke show. Yeah, her

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<v Speaker 1>percent and you so okay. So one of the people,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the queens is speaking of smoke shows, no

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<v Speaker 1>one who I made out with a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Anatomy Hillary Burton.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't already know, this is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>loveliest humans on the planet. She came over to Grays

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<v Speaker 1>and she knew she was she was playing. She was

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<v Speaker 1>playing someone who's gonna like upset the apple cart, and

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<v Speaker 1>most I think I in my mind, I was imagining

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<v Speaker 1>most people would come in a little sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>on tender hooks and be like, Ooh, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>come in and play this part. She was not. She

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<v Speaker 1>was like bold and smart and sassy, and she just

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<v Speaker 1>took over and character chemistry.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, Sophia's kind of Does she give

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<v Speaker 3>you any tips? Because you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>You've just if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys haven't caught up on grades not and you really

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<v Speaker 3>have to because Sophia came in to mix some up

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<v Speaker 3>I love. Does she give you any tips or did

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<v Speaker 3>she give you a heads up? We?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean god, I remember us talking about it then

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<v Speaker 2>because we were so excited for her to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, because it was a show we'd loved. While

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<v Speaker 2>we were making hours and I texted her and was like, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>what what kind of like fun voodoo. Do we have

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<v Speaker 2>going that? Like, now I get to go and kill

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty woman on grays Also, Yeah, and it feels right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's very adjacent and energy for us, and

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<v Speaker 2>that feels great.

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<v Speaker 3>What is something that you felt was unexpected when you

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<v Speaker 3>started the show?

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<v Speaker 2>Your show?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, god on graze, Like, what is something

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<v Speaker 3>that surprised you? So? You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I really appreciate as a fan,

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<v Speaker 2>not only of the show, but of Shonda as a

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<v Speaker 2>writer and a world maker, is that I've interacted with

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<v Speaker 2>her a bit in sort of you know, groups of

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<v Speaker 2>women like advocating for us to you know, be whole people.

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<v Speaker 2>Shocker that we want that, And I know how brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>she is and how lovely she is. What was very

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<v Speaker 2>cool to me was to hear about the world y'all

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<v Speaker 2>have built over these years and how you know, professional

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<v Speaker 2>and well oiled and respectful and smart and bold it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I walked onto set and was like, damn, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one seasons in. Everyone is on time, everyone is exc

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<v Speaker 2>everybody cares about everybody. People are trading pictures of kids

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<v Speaker 2>and making sure people have what they need, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>shows up to the table read and gives it. They're

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<v Speaker 2>absolute all. I was like, Oh, sets that are like

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<v Speaker 2>run by women are just different in the best way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm having the most fun. So thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>having me.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh stay, they stay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's lovely. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course Joy was on the show too, I

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<v Speaker 3>know that's right. So all three of you three yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So how did you guys decide to come up with

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<v Speaker 4>the pod together? The drama queens one?

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we talked about this on my show

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<v Speaker 2>a bit with the two of you. But sets are complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>They're amazing, and they're complicated. And for all the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of wonderful stuff we got to have in our years together,

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<v Speaker 2>our friendships I think got even more expansive and even

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<v Speaker 2>more special in the years because there wasn't the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like put your life on the back burner to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the ship of the set always moving at however

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<v Speaker 2>many knots in the right direction, Like we actually got

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<v Speaker 2>to be more whole people, which meant our friendships were

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<v Speaker 2>more you know, whole friendships. And it was early days

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<v Speaker 2>of COVID hitting and we were all stuck at home

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<v Speaker 2>and we were on a FaceTime and the girls Hillary

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<v Speaker 2>and Joy and I were out on the West Coast

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<v Speaker 2>and Hillary was back in New York and we were

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<v Speaker 2>joking like is it too early to open a bottle

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<v Speaker 2>of wine? And she was like, well, not in New

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<v Speaker 2>York and we were like, well, neither is it in California.

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<v Speaker 2>And we all like opened a bottle of wine together,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we were just kind of chatting and then

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly like an hour had gone by and we started

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<v Speaker 2>making dinner and we were just like hanging out on

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<v Speaker 2>a FaceTime but it wasn't, you know, a short catchup

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<v Speaker 2>or like a phone call in the car. We were

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<v Speaker 2>on video because we had nowhere to go, and it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hit me and I was like, wait a second.

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<v Speaker 2>I do this podcast I do, which I love, and

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<v Speaker 2>I get to ask fascinating people all the questions that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask them. But this is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fun what we're doing. And none of us are going

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<v Speaker 2>to leave the house. Everyone keeps saying two weeks. We

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<v Speaker 2>were like, that's not happening, Like we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>leave the house for.

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<v Speaker 1>A long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks, the infamous two weeks. And so I had

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<v Speaker 2>a call with one of my agents and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>is this a crazy idea and she was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's actually a really, really great idea. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I called Hillary back and said, you know, because she'd

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<v Speaker 2>left the show earlier, and I said, if you hate

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<v Speaker 2>this idea, I'll never say I had it. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't hate this idea, like, should we call Joy back?

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<v Speaker 2>And she was like, let's call Joy. And that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>We just decided to build a world and like it's

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<v Speaker 2>been so healing and confronting and special, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was so, So that's the piece I'm interested in because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're this is a very nascent phase for

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<v Speaker 1>us because we're only six months in.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I mean, it's just like the baby's little babies.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious about your experience with you know, actors

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<v Speaker 1>are sort of we're we're we're meant to say the

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<v Speaker 1>words of other people and do the things on the set,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course we have opinions and of course we

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<v Speaker 1>have ideas, and it's a collaborative process, you know, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you go do this other thing where it's from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning to the end, you and the origins of

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<v Speaker 1>all things are your ideas. Then they're your thoughts, then

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<v Speaker 1>they're your words, then you're editing them, and then what

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<v Speaker 1>you put out into the world really is yours. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>as actors were sort of trained to when we go

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<v Speaker 1>out to have our own words, speak in a certain

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<v Speaker 1>way and sort of like not not protect, but be

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<v Speaker 1>be judicious about how we speak about things or or

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<v Speaker 1>represent to project in a way that the project would

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<v Speaker 1>like to be represented. And then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>you find yourself in a podcasting space and you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>the project that you're representing now, and you my experience

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<v Speaker 1>is that you've learned. I'm learning how to speak about

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<v Speaker 1>myself in different ways, figure out where my boundaries are

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<v Speaker 1>with regards to like, what it is that I talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>what is that I don't talk about? What was that

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<v Speaker 1>like for you all in the beginning?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you see a big difference between when you

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<v Speaker 1>started and now, like when you first picked up the

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<v Speaker 1>microphone where you like and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think when we first started, we all got

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<v Speaker 2>together to be together in person and watch a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of episodes and record and we got to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of our first block of watching together and we all

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<v Speaker 2>just burst into tears, and none of us were expecting

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<v Speaker 2>to have that reaction, but we were sort of being

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<v Speaker 2>confronted with our youngest and most in sinceselves who had

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bonded and loved each other and not yet

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<v Speaker 2>been through the complexity, and not yet been through the

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<v Speaker 2>terrible behind the scenes stuff, and not yet you know,

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<v Speaker 2>learned we could each open up about our boss and

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<v Speaker 2>weird dynamics at work that women go through, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was like being on the precipice of something

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<v Speaker 2>that looked perfect, but you knew how hard it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, and you never get to have that experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was really unexpected and it was really special.

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<v Speaker 2>And through the years it has been all the things,

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<v Speaker 2>it has been really confronting. It has been really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It requires that you go through things together, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, winding up on a show together is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like experiencing not one arranged marriage, but like

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<v Speaker 2>thirty or one hundred. Like suddenly you're just with all

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<v Speaker 2>these people all the time, and they're strangers, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to know how to perfectly intimately communicate and make

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<v Speaker 2>space for each other and whatever. It's hard, and it's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been a revisiting of those things, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>also been a revisiting of those things as more adult

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<v Speaker 2>versions of ourselves, as wiser versions of ourselves. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we've been able to make more space for

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<v Speaker 2>each other. We've been able to make more space for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we do episodes and it's like we're transported to

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<v Speaker 2>a place. And there are some weeks where I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come in so tired and think I am so

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<v Speaker 2>sick of talking, I have nothing left to say, the

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<v Speaker 2>world is insane. I don't know what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do this week, And then something amazing happens, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it has this life of its own.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you know that in the beginning, in that

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<v Speaker 1>moment where you know, you went back to that place

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<v Speaker 1>together and then you all ended in tears, did you

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<v Speaker 1>did you get the inkling that you were going to

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<v Speaker 1>go forth and be doing some hard things like doing

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<v Speaker 1>doing the confronting. Did you know then, like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we're going to confront this tough boss,

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<v Speaker 1>this situation that was not what people thought it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think what we knew is that

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<v Speaker 2>it felt important. What we knew is that when the

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<v Speaker 2>show first ended and we all ran as far away

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<v Speaker 2>from it as we could and we never wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>speak about it, it kept coming back and there was

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<v Speaker 2>no getting away from it, and we had to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out why sort of spiritually energetically, as a as a

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<v Speaker 2>version of a family, we were in this. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it really has been so special, and there were certain

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<v Speaker 2>things that just evolved, you know, as as we started

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about what was going on behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 2>we would check in with each other and be like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this really matters because nobody gave us advice, so what

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<v Speaker 2>if we could give women advice? And then there was

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<v Speaker 2>a day we realized we'd been sort of going through

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<v Speaker 2>the sequence of events at one point with our boss,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of us said his name, and it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. We will never speak his name. So we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about our boss, but we do not speak his

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<v Speaker 2>name because I will not honor him in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and neither will anyone else who comes on our show.

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<v Speaker 2>We're like, you are a man who is a creep

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<v Speaker 2>like so many other men, and bye. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>like a thing we didn't know we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. We had no idea that no one would

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<v Speaker 2>use his name, and we just don't. And it's been

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of cool thing where you're like, oh, we can,

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<v Speaker 2>we can make decisions for ourselves big and small. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are there are things there are you know, family

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<v Speaker 2>bust ups we'll never talk about. Every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, not everything needs to be on a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I do even just mean that for us, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that for other friends who have their own shows. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>some things just keep. But I think the overarching lessons

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<v Speaker 2>I think not being afraid to be vulnerable and say

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<v Speaker 2>these are the most cherished relationships, and they're also really

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<v Speaker 2>complicated at times, like we're human, this isn't actually a

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<v Speaker 2>TV show. There's a whole bigger life with three dimensional people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not two dimensional characters on a screen. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it's been really special and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>cool in our friendships outside of it, and in the

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<v Speaker 2>ways our families are growing, and in the places we

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<v Speaker 2>all live and the things we all do together. Even

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<v Speaker 2>the conversations we have now with the fans who grew

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<v Speaker 2>up with the show are rewatching the show. I have

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<v Speaker 2>this like deeper experience with everyone who ever loved one

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<v Speaker 2>Tree Hill than I ever knew I could before we

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<v Speaker 2>started this, and I already knew it was really special,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's like we're all in on something together

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't explain it. It's like it has reconnected

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<v Speaker 2>me to why I love doing my job. It's reconnected

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<v Speaker 2>me to strangers in ways that for a while, like

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<v Speaker 2>I was really turned off and scared out in the

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<v Speaker 2>world because of some things that were happening, and now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I think most people are pretty awesome want

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<v Speaker 2>to hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you feel like in re talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to or what is your relationship with being like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, I would have I could do that differently

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<v Speaker 1>or yes, yeah, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean as a person or an actor or both?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I think that our history is obviously such

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible place to learn from. At the same time

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<v Speaker 1>that again, it can sort of, you know, weigh you down,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's like, what's the part that I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful for that moment that was really hard because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here now and I know I can handle that.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about all the time, But I just I

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<v Speaker 1>love I love coach Cara, which is like is it

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get easier. It's not gonna get easier. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get better at doing the hard exactly. I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's how I I It makes a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. So the doing the hard, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the hard thing can happen, and you're you're the tiny baby,

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<v Speaker 1>right you just you don't even I mean I go

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<v Speaker 1>into fight, fight, fight or freeze, I freeze. I'm like, hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening? Yeah, and then I look, when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just look for the grown ups in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember saying that time and time again when people

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<v Speaker 1>would misbehave and I would be like, where are.

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<v Speaker 4>The grown ups?

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<v Speaker 2>We're taught.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's interesting is she's talking about the set being

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<v Speaker 3>a family, a family dynamic.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>There are moments where, in all the years we've worked

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<v Speaker 3>in all the different shows and stuff, if someone they're

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<v Speaker 3>the adults are not in the room, you're looking to

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<v Speaker 3>adults that don't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wait, I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 3>When you guys decided that you were going to do

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<v Speaker 3>the show and you were just gonna speak your truth?

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<v Speaker 4>Was there?

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<v Speaker 3>Because we have this a lot of industry, did anyone

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<v Speaker 3>advise you guys to sort of play it nice. Was

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<v Speaker 3>there a push ever to be like, you guys, don't

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the drama behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I think everybody knows us well enough

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<v Speaker 2>and is like, if you tell those girls not to

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<v Speaker 2>do something, they're going to be like watch this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody knew probably not to do that. I will say

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<v Speaker 2>what was really interesting to me, and this was prior

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<v Speaker 2>to us obviously starting the show, but we all experienced

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<v Speaker 2>what we experienced on our show, and we were actually

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<v Speaker 2>the first cast to as a group author a statement

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<v Speaker 2>about use of power, because it was a way for

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<v Speaker 2>us to stand as a unified front and to not

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<v Speaker 2>have any one person's story be like exposed and re

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<v Speaker 2>traumatizing for them, but sort of run the gamut. And

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<v Speaker 2>when we were putting that together, which was then echo

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<v Speaker 2>and increased in number by the cast on our Old

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<v Speaker 2>Boss's show, at the time, I had had a job

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<v Speaker 2>in between, that was for me, as an individual, by far,

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<v Speaker 2>the worst thing I'd ever experienced. And I was told

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, you're going to have to pick what

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<v Speaker 2>story you're going to tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Because then you look difficult potentially like, oh, you've had

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<v Speaker 3>an issue with one show, and now you have an

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<v Speaker 3>issue with another.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It was like men that are old enough to

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<v Speaker 2>be your father who break the law or the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've had two men old enough to be your

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<v Speaker 2>father do this to you, and you run the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of looking like you're asking for it. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, anybody who knows me knows I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>a fire breathing dragon. So that's not it. But that

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<v Speaker 2>was a really interesting experience and it still is. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was very clear. I was like, I'm not just

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<v Speaker 2>not going to say anything about it, but I'll say

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say as little as I can and be clear

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<v Speaker 2>about this circumstance because what I won't do is not

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<v Speaker 2>stand with my family. Yeah, right, Like, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to bow out of this conversation, even though my experience

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<v Speaker 2>in Wilmington was actually one of the earliest and the

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<v Speaker 2>fastest and then never happened to me again. It was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm standing with my family, of course, And that's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting thing. And I think that's a I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a symptom of the disease of power that

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen we were only just taking the lid

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<v Speaker 2>off in our industry, and nobody really knew what the

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<v Speaker 2>ramifications were going to be, so it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get out, You're essentially going to go

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<v Speaker 2>stand on the highway and hope not to get run over.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate that, like the feedback that you've got, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that I think that we've all sort of

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<v Speaker 3>wrestled with that if you've had a bad experience, and

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<v Speaker 3>most likely had more than one, you're allowed to talk

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<v Speaker 3>at some point about just one. Pick your ball right,

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise it's not their reputation. You're You can't say I've

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<v Speaker 3>worked with a bunch of people that have it's been tough.

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<v Speaker 4>I've had terrible experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>You're only then that makes you look bad, like, well

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<v Speaker 3>the problem to you, and I hate that we are

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<v Speaker 3>just given the one allowance to maybe talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious also if if anyone's apologized to you your boss,

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<v Speaker 3>has there ever been a moment or no, okay, no apologies.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that you guys need it, but I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 4>Or would you like it? Would you would it? Would

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<v Speaker 4>it do something if you heard from that person.

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<v Speaker 2>The gamma of experience I've had is total silence and

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<v Speaker 2>denial to this is how I'm going to get away

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And it's like, wow, y'all are wild. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I find is helpful because every woman I know

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<v Speaker 2>has a story, whether you're in our industry or not.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Talking about everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like every friend of mine who went to nursing

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<v Speaker 2>school has a story, Every friend of mine in academia

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<v Speaker 2>has a story, Like every friend of mine in real estate,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know. So, what I think has been really

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for me, and I think for all of us

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<v Speaker 2>is like when you've been through something horrible, especially at work.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it's been helpful to be like mathematical because

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>math helps me process emotion. So I'm like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>had two people who were absolutely grotesque to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a working actor for twenty years and every

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<v Speaker 2>set I've been on has been populated by like a

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<v Speaker 2>minimum of two hundred people. So I actually think my

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<v Speaker 2>ratio is pretty good. It's just really unfortunate when the

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<v Speaker 2>two people are the ones most in control of your life,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's not great, And how are we going to

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<v Speaker 2>shift those things? And how are the behaviors around those

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<v Speaker 2>things going to change? And you know, how are the

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<v Speaker 2>reporting procedures going to be made safer for women and

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<v Speaker 2>all these things because we did it all right and

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>The reporting is maybe even the most complex because yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean again, when I was asking, like what

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<v Speaker 1>you would do differently, I mean, when I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many things right where I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have done that. But I mean, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>being in a situation where what someone was doing was

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<v Speaker 1>so bad that someone else called HR.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I had that too.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, I remember getting I remember getting someone came

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<v Speaker 1>on set and said, Jessica, someone needs to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 1>being like like what I do? What I do, And

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<v Speaker 1>then when the HR needs to talk to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I got taken to a room, and I remember my

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<v Speaker 1>heart like beating out of my chest and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>all the sweat, the sweat and the heart beat, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was at work, by the way, It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, you know, I don't respectfully like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>grab you on a day off, right, like I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do another scene after this, And the HR person

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:30.160
<v Speaker 1>asked all the like perfunctory HR questions about this person.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember playing such a chess game in my

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<v Speaker 1>head because it was I think my thinking then, which

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 1>was not brave and not courageous and not supported or

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<v Speaker 1>held by my own self. Firstly, what can I say

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<v Speaker 1>that will like be the wink to you're not wrong? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and please don't do anything or still.

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<v Speaker 4>My job.

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<v Speaker 3>I still want to be liked and I still want

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<v Speaker 3>to be thought of as someone that's easy to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely because I am, because I fucking out.

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<v Speaker 4>Women, we're not.

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<v Speaker 3>We're made to feel like if we say this, I

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<v Speaker 3>still we're not. And then guess what, it's us who

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 3>get written It's not that you get fired, it's that

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<v Speaker 3>you get written off.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can't argue that's the reason why that you

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<v Speaker 3>know deep down that's why you're gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, yes, yes, and I crafted that answer in

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<v Speaker 1>my head. I think enough to be to then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, thank you very much, and I left, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember going into my trailer and weeping, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then calling someone who I trusted. This was pre to

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<v Speaker 1>This was pre people saying and still have your job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pre July twenty seventeen was the out West.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I really was yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I called and I said, this just happened, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was my answer, and what do you think? And

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<v Speaker 1>they absolutely said that was this They condoned my avoidance.

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<v Speaker 1>It was you know, you said what you needed to

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<v Speaker 1>say to keep your job and keep going on and

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<v Speaker 1>affirmed yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You would be.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, it wasn't dishonest what this person said.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't saying. They weren't they were they were furthering

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<v Speaker 1>the shit like they were furthering what we all thought

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<v Speaker 1>was what we were supposed to do. But they and

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<v Speaker 1>they thought they were being protective. But they at the

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<v Speaker 1>messaging was absolutely you should say nothing and handle it

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and do what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Sophia, we have to We only have a few minutes left,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have a I have a question for you.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got asked in an interview what we would

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<v Speaker 3>love to ask Taylor Swift, and I thought about, what

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<v Speaker 3>is some sort of misconception about her that she would

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<v Speaker 3>like to clear up? So I want to offer you

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<v Speaker 3>the same question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know because I try not to pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to what I think are misconceptions. What I will say is,

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's really unfortunate is when the most base

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<v Speaker 2>parts of our industry make a lot of money really

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<v Speaker 2>being reductive about women. And then no matter who you become,

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<v Speaker 2>or the complexity that you are or the service you

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<v Speaker 2>live in, anytime they can reduce you to like a

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<v Speaker 2>cartoon version of yourself or a trope or stereotype. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>do that because they make money on it, not even

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<v Speaker 2>because it's true. And that's something I find really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to watch. And I think there's a version of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to some of my girlfriends about this recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's especially a version of that with anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who's come from a teen drama, like they want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep you in high school drama forever. And I thought

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<v Speaker 2>about that a lot because I spent a long weekend

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<v Speaker 2>with a girlfriend of mine from my first show, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're family. We don't always agree, but like we're family,

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<v Speaker 2>and we really sat and just like unpacked. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we spent six and a half hours, like on the couch,

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<v Speaker 2>drinking coffees on Sunday, just like digging into some stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was like, God, we've been family for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years and even I if we're just texting, can forget

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<v Speaker 2>the way you talk to me? And the space you

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<v Speaker 2>make for me, rather than the way I hear the

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<v Speaker 2>things I read because I read them as my insecure,

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty one year old self, and I forget the women

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<v Speaker 2>we are when we're not in the room together. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this can be with your closest people,

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<v Speaker 2>like of course, like we were joking earlier, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the internet is a cesspool. Like what we're expecting people

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<v Speaker 2>to be like their best themselves from therapy with strangers online.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish we were, but we're not. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish, particularly for us, we were given a

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<v Speaker 2>little more space. We were given space to be brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>and imperfect and yeah, we didn't feel like we always

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<v Speaker 2>had to get it right just to exist at zero,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you were asking me about things. When I

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<v Speaker 2>look back at the show, I think about scenes I

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<v Speaker 2>wish i'd played differently, been like, oh, I love that

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<v Speaker 2>we disrupted this, and I love that we screwed up

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the blocking and I remember, and we did this really

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<v Speaker 2>cool thing and it's great, And then I'll watch another

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<v Speaker 2>scene and be like, oh my god, I wish I'd

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<v Speaker 2>played it exactly against how it was written, so that

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<v Speaker 2>it communicated like what was coming next, But I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the wherewithal at twenty two to do that. And now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's episodes where I watch it and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>who told me I could wear my hair like that? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, look at the girls and be like friends

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<v Speaker 2>and hair. There's these big lessons about artistry, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>big lessons about how how much courage you have, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, to say the hard thing even though you're

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<v Speaker 2>terrified it might disrupt the ship. You know, what does

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<v Speaker 2>it mean to ask for help even when you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you've been somewhere long enough that you're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to need it. Like, I feel like I've learned so

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<v Speaker 2>much about myself in terms of my intellect, in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of my humor, in terms of being a really good human,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of being absolutely ridiculous. Like I wish we

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<v Speaker 2>got to be more of our full selves out in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Yeah, yeah, but that's probably like a hard

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<v Speaker 2>I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the podcast allows us a little bit to be

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<v Speaker 3>more us because we're not on a talk show promote

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<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, I feel like this allows us to

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<v Speaker 3>be a little bit more loose and messy and vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 4>But I agree with you, it's it's it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel I feel completely myself in these moments,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even just like you know it's over zoom,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're looking at your beautiful face and just the

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<v Speaker 1>heart that you bring to you know, the stories that

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<v Speaker 1>you tell. And I mean again I have I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen you on screen. I have eyeballs and ears

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<v Speaker 1>into telephone, right so I telephone is what I just said.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it rings.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes and I'm like a little banana phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 4>The landline.

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<v Speaker 1>I see headlines and yeah, no, it's just it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That thing is a replacement for being in these kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations. So thank you for bringing soia and and.

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<v Speaker 4>For calling it what it is over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well to many more, and hopefully I see maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you in the halls of.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Graco Memorial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, please come play.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, stay away from the what is it supply closets

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<v Speaker 1>or go in I mean I don't know, in guys in.

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<v Speaker 4>The supply closet or was it a call room? I'd

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<v Speaker 4>like to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Please answer the question all right now we have to Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Thank you, and let's call it the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode.