Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew.
Speaker 3: And welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is,
Speaker 3: But this this time it's a crossover. We're in the
Speaker 3: second start. We started with work in Progress with Sophia Bush.
Speaker 3: I'm staring at her gorgeous face right now. Hi, hialating,
Speaker 3: And and the second half of this podcast is with us.
Speaker 1: She got to You're gonna need to go over to
Speaker 1: hers to get the first half because a lot got said,
Speaker 1: a lot got said to get said here too, So
Speaker 1: we have to start by saying Sophia.
Speaker 3: When we started the podcast, we were looking for names
Speaker 3: you under, you know, to find the name is a
Speaker 3: big deal, right, And we just kept going back to
Speaker 3: how annoying it was so annoyed that you guys had
Speaker 3: taken drama Queens because it was just so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4: It is so good.
Speaker 3: Do you member coming up with it?
Speaker 4: Did the three of you come up with it together?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's it just sort of hit us. We
Speaker 2: were talking about all these things and and it also
Speaker 2: felt fun, you know, when you do a version of
Speaker 2: a primetime soap, and especially in the early aughts when
Speaker 2: we were all getting made fun of for it. We
Speaker 2: were like, we're going to own this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like you got made fun of
Speaker 3: because I remember wanting to be on your show so
Speaker 3: badly as one of the actresses coming in.
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought it was.
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. Yeah yeah, yeah, of course because you
Speaker 1: auditioned for right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you listen to how well that went in the.
Speaker 2: I am yeah, we got made fun of a ton
Speaker 2: it was. It was very like ooh teen dramas wah
Speaker 2: waht like we got we got ripped apart on the
Speaker 2: soup every week. For whatever reason. Joel McHale loved to
Speaker 2: talk about how ridiculous honestly, like sometimes he was right.
Speaker 2: I mean, we had a dog that ate a heart
Speaker 2: on our show, Like you guys do a medical show,
Speaker 2: and I don't think you've ever had an animal eat
Speaker 2: an organ.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound not crazy, But these shows.
Speaker 1: Was so sexy. I remember, like the Billboards, I remember
Speaker 1: being very sexy.
Speaker 4: You guys on the cover of magazine.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was a smoke show. Yeah, her
Speaker 1: percent and you so okay. So one of the people,
Speaker 1: one of the queens is speaking of smoke shows, no
Speaker 1: one who I made out with a little bit.
Speaker 2: Anatomy Hillary Burton.
Speaker 1: If you don't already know, this is one of the
Speaker 1: loveliest humans on the planet. She came over to Grays
Speaker 1: and she knew she was she was playing. She was
Speaker 1: playing someone who's gonna like upset the apple cart, and
Speaker 1: most I think I in my mind, I was imagining
Speaker 1: most people would come in a little sort of like
Speaker 1: on tender hooks and be like, Ooh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: come in and play this part. She was not. She
Speaker 1: was like bold and smart and sassy, and she just
Speaker 1: took over and character chemistry.
Speaker 3: But you know what, Sophia's kind of Does she give
Speaker 3: you any tips? Because you can't.
Speaker 4: You've just if you.
Speaker 3: Guys haven't caught up on grades not and you really
Speaker 3: have to because Sophia came in to mix some up
Speaker 3: I love. Does she give you any tips or did
Speaker 3: she give you a heads up? We?
Speaker 2: I mean god, I remember us talking about it then
Speaker 2: because we were so excited for her to be on
Speaker 2: the show, because it was a show we'd loved. While
Speaker 2: we were making hours and I texted her and was like, girl,
Speaker 2: what what kind of like fun voodoo. Do we have
Speaker 2: going that? Like, now I get to go and kill
Speaker 2: a pretty woman on grays Also, Yeah, and it feels right.
Speaker 2: It's like it's very adjacent and energy for us, and
Speaker 2: that feels great.
Speaker 3: What is something that you felt was unexpected when you
Speaker 3: started the show?
Speaker 2: Your show?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, god on graze, Like, what is something
Speaker 3: that surprised you? So? You know what.
Speaker 2: One of the things I really appreciate as a fan,
Speaker 2: not only of the show, but of Shonda as a
Speaker 2: writer and a world maker, is that I've interacted with
Speaker 2: her a bit in sort of you know, groups of
Speaker 2: women like advocating for us to you know, be whole people.
Speaker 2: Shocker that we want that, And I know how brilliant
Speaker 2: she is and how lovely she is. What was very
Speaker 2: cool to me was to hear about the world y'all
Speaker 2: have built over these years and how you know, professional
Speaker 2: and well oiled and respectful and smart and bold it is.
Speaker 2: And I walked onto set and was like, damn, twenty
Speaker 2: one seasons in. Everyone is on time, everyone is exc
Speaker 2: everybody cares about everybody. People are trading pictures of kids
Speaker 2: and making sure people have what they need, and everyone
Speaker 2: shows up to the table read and gives it. They're
Speaker 2: absolute all. I was like, Oh, sets that are like
Speaker 2: run by women are just different in the best way.
Speaker 2: And I'm having the most fun. So thank you for
Speaker 2: having me.
Speaker 4: Oh stay, they stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lovely. I love it.
Speaker 3: And of course Joy was on the show too, I
Speaker 3: know that's right. So all three of you three yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: So how did you guys decide to come up with
Speaker 4: the pod together? The drama queens one?
Speaker 2: So you know, we talked about this on my show
Speaker 2: a bit with the two of you. But sets are complicated.
Speaker 2: They're amazing, and they're complicated. And for all the sort
Speaker 2: of wonderful stuff we got to have in our years together,
Speaker 2: our friendships I think got even more expansive and even
Speaker 2: more special in the years because there wasn't the kind
Speaker 2: of like put your life on the back burner to
Speaker 2: keep the ship of the set always moving at however
Speaker 2: many knots in the right direction, Like we actually got
Speaker 2: to be more whole people, which meant our friendships were
Speaker 2: more you know, whole friendships. And it was early days
Speaker 2: of COVID hitting and we were all stuck at home
Speaker 2: and we were on a FaceTime and the girls Hillary
Speaker 2: and Joy and I were out on the West Coast
Speaker 2: and Hillary was back in New York and we were
Speaker 2: joking like is it too early to open a bottle
Speaker 2: of wine? And she was like, well, not in New
Speaker 2: York and we were like, well, neither is it in California.
Speaker 2: And we all like opened a bottle of wine together,
Speaker 2: and then we were just kind of chatting and then
Speaker 2: suddenly like an hour had gone by and we started
Speaker 2: making dinner and we were just like hanging out on
Speaker 2: a FaceTime but it wasn't, you know, a short catchup
Speaker 2: or like a phone call in the car. We were
Speaker 2: on video because we had nowhere to go, and it
Speaker 2: kind of hit me and I was like, wait a second.
Speaker 2: I do this podcast I do, which I love, and
Speaker 2: I get to ask fascinating people all the questions that
Speaker 2: I want to ask them. But this is kind of
Speaker 2: fun what we're doing. And none of us are going
Speaker 2: to leave the house. Everyone keeps saying two weeks. We
Speaker 2: were like, that's not happening, Like we're not going to
Speaker 2: leave the house for.
Speaker 1: A long time.
Speaker 2: Two weeks, the infamous two weeks. And so I had
Speaker 2: a call with one of my agents and I was like,
Speaker 2: is this a crazy idea and she was like, I
Speaker 2: think it's actually a really, really great idea. And then
Speaker 2: I called Hillary back and said, you know, because she'd
Speaker 2: left the show earlier, and I said, if you hate
Speaker 2: this idea, I'll never say I had it. But if
Speaker 2: you don't hate this idea, like, should we call Joy back?
Speaker 2: And she was like, let's call Joy. And that was it.
Speaker 2: We just decided to build a world and like it's
Speaker 2: been so healing and confronting and special, and I.
Speaker 1: Was so, So that's the piece I'm interested in because
Speaker 1: you know, we're this is a very nascent phase for
Speaker 1: us because we're only six months in.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, it's just like the baby's little babies.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious about your experience with you know, actors
Speaker 1: are sort of we're we're we're meant to say the
Speaker 1: words of other people and do the things on the set,
Speaker 1: and of course we have opinions and of course we
Speaker 1: have ideas, and it's a collaborative process, you know, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Then you go do this other thing where it's from
Speaker 1: the beginning to the end, you and the origins of
Speaker 1: all things are your ideas. Then they're your thoughts, then
Speaker 1: they're your words, then you're editing them, and then what
Speaker 1: you put out into the world really is yours. But again,
Speaker 1: as actors were sort of trained to when we go
Speaker 1: out to have our own words, speak in a certain
Speaker 1: way and sort of like not not protect, but be
Speaker 1: be judicious about how we speak about things or or
Speaker 1: represent to project in a way that the project would
Speaker 1: like to be represented. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you find yourself in a podcasting space and you're you're
Speaker 1: the project that you're representing now, and you my experience
Speaker 1: is that you've learned. I'm learning how to speak about
Speaker 1: myself in different ways, figure out where my boundaries are
Speaker 1: with regards to like, what it is that I talk about,
Speaker 1: what is that I don't talk about? What was that
Speaker 1: like for you all in the beginning?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's all of that.
Speaker 1: And do you see a big difference between when you
Speaker 1: started and now, like when you first picked up the
Speaker 1: microphone where you like and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when we first started, we all got
Speaker 2: together to be together in person and watch a couple
Speaker 2: of episodes and record and we got to the end
Speaker 2: of our first block of watching together and we all
Speaker 2: just burst into tears, and none of us were expecting
Speaker 2: to have that reaction, but we were sort of being
Speaker 2: confronted with our youngest and most in sinceselves who had
Speaker 2: you know, bonded and loved each other and not yet
Speaker 2: been through the complexity, and not yet been through the
Speaker 2: terrible behind the scenes stuff, and not yet you know,
Speaker 2: learned we could each open up about our boss and
Speaker 2: weird dynamics at work that women go through, and it
Speaker 2: was it was like being on the precipice of something
Speaker 2: that looked perfect, but you knew how hard it was
Speaker 2: going to be, and you never get to have that experience,
Speaker 2: and it was really unexpected and it was really special.
Speaker 2: And through the years it has been all the things,
Speaker 2: it has been really confronting. It has been really hard.
Speaker 2: It requires that you go through things together, and you know,
Speaker 2: as you know, winding up on a show together is
Speaker 2: kind of like experiencing not one arranged marriage, but like
Speaker 2: thirty or one hundred. Like suddenly you're just with all
Speaker 2: these people all the time, and they're strangers, but you're
Speaker 2: supposed to know how to perfectly intimately communicate and make
Speaker 2: space for each other and whatever. It's hard, and it's amazing,
Speaker 2: and it's been a revisiting of those things, but it's
Speaker 2: also been a revisiting of those things as more adult
Speaker 2: versions of ourselves, as wiser versions of ourselves. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, we've been able to make more space for
Speaker 2: each other. We've been able to make more space for ourselves.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we do episodes and it's like we're transported to
Speaker 2: a place. And there are some weeks where I know,
Speaker 2: I'll come in so tired and think I am so
Speaker 2: sick of talking, I have nothing left to say, the
Speaker 2: world is insane. I don't know what I'm going to
Speaker 2: do this week, And then something amazing happens, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it has this life of its own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you know that in the beginning, in that
Speaker 1: moment where you know, you went back to that place
Speaker 1: together and then you all ended in tears, did you
Speaker 1: did you get the inkling that you were going to
Speaker 1: go forth and be doing some hard things like doing
Speaker 1: doing the confronting. Did you know then, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I think that we're going to confront this tough boss,
Speaker 1: this situation that was not what people thought it was like,
Speaker 1: did you know that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think what we knew is that
Speaker 2: it felt important. What we knew is that when the
Speaker 2: show first ended and we all ran as far away
Speaker 2: from it as we could and we never wanted to
Speaker 2: speak about it, it kept coming back and there was
Speaker 2: no getting away from it, and we had to figure
Speaker 2: out why sort of spiritually energetically, as a as a
Speaker 2: version of a family, we were in this. And then
Speaker 2: it really has been so special, and there were certain
Speaker 2: things that just evolved, you know, as as we started
Speaker 2: to talk about what was going on behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: we would check in with each other and be like, no,
Speaker 2: this really matters because nobody gave us advice, so what
Speaker 2: if we could give women advice? And then there was
Speaker 2: a day we realized we'd been sort of going through
Speaker 2: the sequence of events at one point with our boss,
Speaker 2: and one of us said his name, and it was like,
Speaker 2: absolutely not. We will never speak his name. So we
Speaker 2: talk about our boss, but we do not speak his
Speaker 2: name because I will not honor him in that way,
Speaker 2: and neither will anyone else who comes on our show.
Speaker 2: We're like, you are a man who is a creep
Speaker 2: like so many other men, and bye. And that was
Speaker 2: like a thing we didn't know we were going to
Speaker 2: do that. We had no idea that no one would
Speaker 2: use his name, and we just don't. And it's been
Speaker 2: this kind of cool thing where you're like, oh, we can,
Speaker 2: we can make decisions for ourselves big and small. You know,
Speaker 2: there are there are things there are you know, family
Speaker 2: bust ups we'll never talk about. Every once in a while,
Speaker 2: I'm like, not everything needs to be on a thing.
Speaker 2: I do even just mean that for us, I mean
Speaker 2: that for other friends who have their own shows. I'm like,
Speaker 2: some things just keep. But I think the overarching lessons
Speaker 2: I think not being afraid to be vulnerable and say
Speaker 2: these are the most cherished relationships, and they're also really
Speaker 2: complicated at times, like we're human, this isn't actually a
Speaker 2: TV show. There's a whole bigger life with three dimensional people,
Speaker 2: you know, not two dimensional characters on a screen. And
Speaker 2: so I think it's been really special and it's been
Speaker 2: cool in our friendships outside of it, and in the
Speaker 2: ways our families are growing, and in the places we
Speaker 2: all live and the things we all do together. Even
Speaker 2: the conversations we have now with the fans who grew
Speaker 2: up with the show are rewatching the show. I have
Speaker 2: this like deeper experience with everyone who ever loved one
Speaker 2: Tree Hill than I ever knew I could before we
Speaker 2: started this, and I already knew it was really special,
Speaker 2: and now it's like we're all in on something together
Speaker 2: and I can't explain it. It's like it has reconnected
Speaker 2: me to why I love doing my job. It's reconnected
Speaker 2: me to strangers in ways that for a while, like
Speaker 2: I was really turned off and scared out in the
Speaker 2: world because of some things that were happening, and now
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think most people are pretty awesome want
Speaker 2: to hang out.
Speaker 1: Like do you feel like in re talking about it
Speaker 1: you're able to or what is your relationship with being like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I would have I could do that differently
Speaker 1: or yes, yeah, do.
Speaker 2: You mean as a person or an actor or both?
Speaker 1: I guess both.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just I think that our history is obviously such
Speaker 1: an incredible place to learn from. At the same time
Speaker 1: that again, it can sort of, you know, weigh you down,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, what's the part that I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that moment that was really hard because
Speaker 1: I'm here now and I know I can handle that.
Speaker 1: I talk about all the time, But I just I
Speaker 1: love I love coach Cara, which is like is it
Speaker 1: gonna get easier. It's not gonna get easier. You're just
Speaker 1: gonna get better at doing the hard exactly. I think that,
Speaker 1: Like that's how I I It makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to me. So the doing the hard, it's like
Speaker 1: the hard thing can happen, and you're you're the tiny baby,
Speaker 1: right you just you don't even I mean I go
Speaker 1: into fight, fight, fight or freeze, I freeze. I'm like, hmm,
Speaker 1: what's happening? Yeah, and then I look, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I would just look for the grown ups in the room.
Speaker 1: I remember saying that time and time again when people
Speaker 1: would misbehave and I would be like, where are.
Speaker 4: The grown ups?
Speaker 2: We're taught.
Speaker 3: But what's interesting is she's talking about the set being
Speaker 3: a family, a family dynamic.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: There are moments where, in all the years we've worked
Speaker 3: in all the different shows and stuff, if someone they're
Speaker 3: the adults are not in the room, you're looking to
Speaker 3: adults that don't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, I'm curious.
Speaker 3: When you guys decided that you were going to do
Speaker 3: the show and you were just gonna speak your truth?
Speaker 4: Was there?
Speaker 3: Because we have this a lot of industry, did anyone
Speaker 3: advise you guys to sort of play it nice. Was
Speaker 3: there a push ever to be like, you guys, don't
Speaker 3: talk about the drama behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: I love that. I think everybody knows us well enough
Speaker 2: and is like, if you tell those girls not to
Speaker 2: do something, they're going to be like watch this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody knew probably not to do that. I will say
Speaker 2: what was really interesting to me, and this was prior
Speaker 2: to us obviously starting the show, but we all experienced
Speaker 2: what we experienced on our show, and we were actually
Speaker 2: the first cast to as a group author a statement
Speaker 2: about use of power, because it was a way for
Speaker 2: us to stand as a unified front and to not
Speaker 2: have any one person's story be like exposed and re
Speaker 2: traumatizing for them, but sort of run the gamut. And
Speaker 2: when we were putting that together, which was then echo
Speaker 2: and increased in number by the cast on our Old
Speaker 2: Boss's show, at the time, I had had a job
Speaker 2: in between, that was for me, as an individual, by far,
Speaker 2: the worst thing I'd ever experienced. And I was told
Speaker 2: at the time, you're going to have to pick what
Speaker 2: story you're going to tell.
Speaker 3: Because then you look difficult potentially like, oh, you've had
Speaker 3: an issue with one show, and now you have an
Speaker 3: issue with another.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It was like men that are old enough to
Speaker 2: be your father who break the law or the problem.
Speaker 2: But you've had two men old enough to be your
Speaker 2: father do this to you, and you run the risk
Speaker 2: of looking like you're asking for it. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, anybody who knows me knows I'm like
Speaker 2: a fire breathing dragon. So that's not it. But that
Speaker 2: was a really interesting experience and it still is. And
Speaker 2: I was very clear. I was like, I'm not just
Speaker 2: not going to say anything about it, but I'll say
Speaker 2: I'll say as little as I can and be clear
Speaker 2: about this circumstance because what I won't do is not
Speaker 2: stand with my family. Yeah, right, Like, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to bow out of this conversation, even though my experience
Speaker 2: in Wilmington was actually one of the earliest and the
Speaker 2: fastest and then never happened to me again. It was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm standing with my family, of course, And that's an
Speaker 2: interesting thing. And I think that's a I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of a symptom of the disease of power that
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen we were only just taking the lid
Speaker 2: off in our industry, and nobody really knew what the
Speaker 2: ramifications were going to be, so it was like, well,
Speaker 2: you're going to get out, You're essentially going to go
Speaker 2: stand on the highway and hope not to get run over.
Speaker 3: I hate that, like the feedback that you've got, and
Speaker 3: it's something that I think that we've all sort of
Speaker 3: wrestled with that if you've had a bad experience, and
Speaker 3: most likely had more than one, you're allowed to talk
Speaker 3: at some point about just one. Pick your ball right,
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's not their reputation. You're You can't say I've
Speaker 3: worked with a bunch of people that have it's been tough.
Speaker 4: I've had terrible experiences.
Speaker 3: You're only then that makes you look bad, like, well
Speaker 3: the problem to you, and I hate that we are
Speaker 3: just given the one allowance to maybe talk about it.
Speaker 3: I'm curious also if if anyone's apologized to you your boss,
Speaker 3: has there ever been a moment or no, okay, no apologies.
Speaker 3: Not that you guys need it, but I'm just curious.
Speaker 4: Or would you like it? Would you would it? Would
Speaker 4: it do something if you heard from that person.
Speaker 2: The gamma of experience I've had is total silence and
Speaker 2: denial to this is how I'm going to get away
Speaker 2: with it. And it's like, wow, y'all are wild. But
Speaker 2: what I find is helpful because every woman I know
Speaker 2: has a story, whether you're in our industry or not.
Speaker 2: By the way, like.
Speaker 4: Talking about everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like every friend of mine who went to nursing
Speaker 2: school has a story, Every friend of mine in academia
Speaker 2: has a story, Like every friend of mine in real estate,
Speaker 2: like you know. So, what I think has been really
Speaker 2: helpful for me, and I think for all of us
Speaker 2: is like when you've been through something horrible, especially at work.
Speaker 2: For me, it's been helpful to be like mathematical because
Speaker 2: math helps me process emotion. So I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: had two people who were absolutely grotesque to me. And
Speaker 2: I've been a working actor for twenty years and every
Speaker 2: set I've been on has been populated by like a
Speaker 2: minimum of two hundred people. So I actually think my
Speaker 2: ratio is pretty good. It's just really unfortunate when the
Speaker 2: two people are the ones most in control of your life,
Speaker 2: Like that's not great, And how are we going to
Speaker 2: shift those things? And how are the behaviors around those
Speaker 2: things going to change? And you know, how are the
Speaker 2: reporting procedures going to be made safer for women and
Speaker 2: all these things because we did it all right and
Speaker 2: it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: The reporting is maybe even the most complex because yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, when I was asking, like what
Speaker 1: you would do differently, I mean, when I think about it,
Speaker 1: there's so many things right where I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I would have done that. But I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: being in a situation where what someone was doing was
Speaker 1: so bad that someone else called HR.
Speaker 2: Yep, I had that too.
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember getting I remember getting someone came
Speaker 1: on set and said, Jessica, someone needs to talk to you,
Speaker 1: being like like what I do? What I do, And
Speaker 1: then when the HR needs to talk to you, and
Speaker 1: I got taken to a room, and I remember my
Speaker 1: heart like beating out of my chest and I remember
Speaker 1: all the sweat, the sweat and the heart beat, and
Speaker 1: I was at work, by the way, It's not like
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, I don't respectfully like I'll
Speaker 1: grab you on a day off, right, like I'm going
Speaker 1: to do another scene after this, And the HR person
Speaker 1: asked all the like perfunctory HR questions about this person.
Speaker 1: And I remember playing such a chess game in my
Speaker 1: head because it was I think my thinking then, which
Speaker 1: was not brave and not courageous and not supported or
Speaker 1: held by my own self. Firstly, what can I say
Speaker 1: that will like be the wink to you're not wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and please don't do anything or still.
Speaker 4: My job.
Speaker 3: I still want to be liked and I still want
Speaker 3: to be thought of as someone that's easy to work with.
Speaker 1: Absolutely because I am, because I fucking out.
Speaker 4: Women, we're not.
Speaker 3: We're made to feel like if we say this, I
Speaker 3: still we're not. And then guess what, it's us who
Speaker 3: get written It's not that you get fired, it's that
Speaker 3: you get written off.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: And you can't argue that's the reason why that you
Speaker 3: know deep down that's why you're gone.
Speaker 1: I know, yes, yes, and I crafted that answer in
Speaker 1: my head. I think enough to be to then you know,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you very much, and I left, and
Speaker 1: I remember going into my trailer and weeping, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then calling someone who I trusted. This was pre to
Speaker 1: This was pre people saying and still have your job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pre July twenty seventeen was the out West.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I really was yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but I called and I said, this just happened, and
Speaker 1: this was my answer, and what do you think? And
Speaker 1: they absolutely said that was this They condoned my avoidance.
Speaker 1: It was you know, you said what you needed to
Speaker 1: say to keep your job and keep going on and
Speaker 1: affirmed yes.
Speaker 2: You would be.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it wasn't dishonest what this person said.
Speaker 1: They weren't saying. They weren't they were they were furthering
Speaker 1: the shit like they were furthering what we all thought
Speaker 1: was what we were supposed to do. But they and
Speaker 1: they thought they were being protective. But they at the
Speaker 1: messaging was absolutely you should say nothing and handle it
Speaker 1: yourself and do what you need to do.
Speaker 3: Sophia, we have to We only have a few minutes left,
Speaker 3: but we have a I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: So we got asked in an interview what we would
Speaker 3: love to ask Taylor Swift, and I thought about, what
Speaker 3: is some sort of misconception about her that she would
Speaker 3: like to clear up? So I want to offer you
Speaker 3: the same question.
Speaker 2: I don't know because I try not to pay attention
Speaker 2: to what I think are misconceptions. What I will say is,
Speaker 2: I think what's really unfortunate is when the most base
Speaker 2: parts of our industry make a lot of money really
Speaker 2: being reductive about women. And then no matter who you become,
Speaker 2: or the complexity that you are or the service you
Speaker 2: live in, anytime they can reduce you to like a
Speaker 2: cartoon version of yourself or a trope or stereotype. They'll
Speaker 2: do that because they make money on it, not even
Speaker 2: because it's true. And that's something I find really hard
Speaker 2: to watch. And I think there's a version of that.
Speaker 2: I talk to some of my girlfriends about this recently.
Speaker 2: I think there's especially a version of that with anyone
Speaker 2: who's come from a teen drama, like they want to
Speaker 2: keep you in high school drama forever. And I thought
Speaker 2: about that a lot because I spent a long weekend
Speaker 2: with a girlfriend of mine from my first show, and
Speaker 2: we're family. We don't always agree, but like we're family,
Speaker 2: and we really sat and just like unpacked. I mean
Speaker 2: we spent six and a half hours, like on the couch,
Speaker 2: drinking coffees on Sunday, just like digging into some stuff.
Speaker 2: And she was like, God, we've been family for twenty
Speaker 2: years and even I if we're just texting, can forget
Speaker 2: the way you talk to me? And the space you
Speaker 2: make for me, rather than the way I hear the
Speaker 2: things I read because I read them as my insecure,
Speaker 2: twenty one year old self, and I forget the women
Speaker 2: we are when we're not in the room together. And
Speaker 2: I was like, this can be with your closest people,
Speaker 2: like of course, like we were joking earlier, of course,
Speaker 2: the internet is a cesspool. Like what we're expecting people
Speaker 2: to be like their best themselves from therapy with strangers online.
Speaker 2: I wish we were, but we're not. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I just wish, particularly for us, we were given a
Speaker 2: little more space. We were given space to be brilliant
Speaker 2: and imperfect and yeah, we didn't feel like we always
Speaker 2: had to get it right just to exist at zero,
Speaker 2: like when you were asking me about things. When I
Speaker 2: look back at the show, I think about scenes I
Speaker 2: wish i'd played differently, been like, oh, I love that
Speaker 2: we disrupted this, and I love that we screwed up
Speaker 2: the blocking and I remember, and we did this really
Speaker 2: cool thing and it's great, And then I'll watch another
Speaker 2: scene and be like, oh my god, I wish I'd
Speaker 2: played it exactly against how it was written, so that
Speaker 2: it communicated like what was coming next, But I didn't
Speaker 2: have the wherewithal at twenty two to do that. And now,
Speaker 2: you know, there's episodes where I watch it and I'm like,
Speaker 2: who told me I could wear my hair like that? Oh?
Speaker 2: You know, look at the girls and be like friends
Speaker 2: and hair. There's these big lessons about artistry, and there's
Speaker 2: big lessons about how how much courage you have, Like
Speaker 2: you said, to say the hard thing even though you're
Speaker 2: terrified it might disrupt the ship. You know, what does
Speaker 2: it mean to ask for help even when you feel
Speaker 2: like you've been somewhere long enough that you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to need it. Like, I feel like I've learned so
Speaker 2: much about myself in terms of my intellect, in terms
Speaker 2: of my humor, in terms of being a really good human,
Speaker 2: in terms of being absolutely ridiculous. Like I wish we
Speaker 2: got to be more of our full selves out in
Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, yeah, but that's probably like a hard
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 3: Like the podcast allows us a little bit to be
Speaker 3: more us because we're not on a talk show promote
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I feel like this allows us to
Speaker 3: be a little bit more loose and messy and vulnerable.
Speaker 4: But I agree with you, it's it's it's difficult.
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I feel completely myself in these moments,
Speaker 1: you know, even just like you know it's over zoom,
Speaker 1: but we're looking at your beautiful face and just the
Speaker 1: heart that you bring to you know, the stories that
Speaker 1: you tell. And I mean again I have I mean
Speaker 1: I've seen you on screen. I have eyeballs and ears
Speaker 1: into telephone, right so I telephone is what I just said.
Speaker 3: You know, it rings.
Speaker 1: Sometimes and I'm like a little banana phone.
Speaker 2: I'm a smartphone.
Speaker 4: The landline.
Speaker 1: I see headlines and yeah, no, it's just it is.
Speaker 1: That thing is a replacement for being in these kinds
Speaker 1: of conversations. So thank you for bringing soia and and.
Speaker 4: For calling it what it is over and over and over.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yes, well to many more, and hopefully I see maybe
Speaker 1: I'll see you in the halls of.
Speaker 4: Of Graco Memorial.
Speaker 2: Yes, please come play.
Speaker 1: Okay, stay away from the what is it supply closets
Speaker 1: or go in I mean I don't know, in guys in.
Speaker 4: The supply closet or was it a call room? I'd
Speaker 4: like to know.
Speaker 1: Please answer the question all right now we have to Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you, and let's call it the end
Speaker 1: of the episode.