1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 3: And welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: But this this time it's a crossover. We're in the 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: second start. We started with work in Progress with Sophia Bush. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 3: I'm staring at her gorgeous face right now. Hi, hialating, 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: And and the second half of this podcast is with us. 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: She got to You're gonna need to go over to 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: hers to get the first half because a lot got said, 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: a lot got said to get said here too, So 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: we have to start by saying Sophia. 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: When we started the podcast, we were looking for names 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: you under, you know, to find the name is a 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: big deal, right, And we just kept going back to 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: how annoying it was so annoyed that you guys had 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: taken drama Queens because it was just so good. 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 4: It is so good. 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: Do you member coming up with it? 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: Did the three of you come up with it together? 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's it just sort of hit us. We 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: were talking about all these things and and it also 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: felt fun, you know, when you do a version of 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: a primetime soap, and especially in the early aughts when 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: we were all getting made fun of for it. We 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: were like, we're going to own this. 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like you got made fun of 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: because I remember wanting to be on your show so 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: badly as one of the actresses coming in. 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: Yes, I thought it was. 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: One Tree Hill. Yeah yeah, yeah, of course because you 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: auditioned for right. 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you listen to how well that went in the. 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: I am yeah, we got made fun of a ton 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: it was. It was very like ooh teen dramas wah 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: waht like we got we got ripped apart on the 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: soup every week. For whatever reason. Joel McHale loved to 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: talk about how ridiculous honestly, like sometimes he was right. 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: I mean, we had a dog that ate a heart 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: on our show, Like you guys do a medical show, 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 2: and I don't think you've ever had an animal eat 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: an organ. 44 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: It doesn't sound not crazy, But these shows. 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Was so sexy. I remember, like the Billboards, I remember 46 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: being very sexy. 47 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: You guys on the cover of magazine. 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: I feel like it was a smoke show. Yeah, her 49 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: percent and you so okay. So one of the people, 50 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: one of the queens is speaking of smoke shows, no 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: one who I made out with a little bit. 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: Anatomy Hillary Burton. 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: If you don't already know, this is one of the 54 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: loveliest humans on the planet. She came over to Grays 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: and she knew she was she was playing. She was 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: playing someone who's gonna like upset the apple cart, and 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: most I think I in my mind, I was imagining 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: most people would come in a little sort of like 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: on tender hooks and be like, Ooh, I'm going to 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: come in and play this part. She was not. She 61 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: was like bold and smart and sassy, and she just 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: took over and character chemistry. 63 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: But you know what, Sophia's kind of Does she give 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: you any tips? Because you can't. 65 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: You've just if you. 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: Guys haven't caught up on grades not and you really 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: have to because Sophia came in to mix some up 68 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: I love. Does she give you any tips or did 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: she give you a heads up? We? 70 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: I mean god, I remember us talking about it then 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: because we were so excited for her to be on 72 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: the show, because it was a show we'd loved. While 73 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: we were making hours and I texted her and was like, girl, 74 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: what what kind of like fun voodoo. Do we have 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: going that? Like, now I get to go and kill 76 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: a pretty woman on grays Also, Yeah, and it feels right. 77 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: It's like it's very adjacent and energy for us, and 78 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: that feels great. 79 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: What is something that you felt was unexpected when you 80 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: started the show? 81 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: Your show? 82 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 83 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, god on graze, Like, what is something 84 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: that surprised you? So? You know what. 85 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: One of the things I really appreciate as a fan, 86 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: not only of the show, but of Shonda as a 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: writer and a world maker, is that I've interacted with 88 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: her a bit in sort of you know, groups of 89 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: women like advocating for us to you know, be whole people. 90 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: Shocker that we want that, And I know how brilliant 91 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: she is and how lovely she is. What was very 92 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: cool to me was to hear about the world y'all 93 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: have built over these years and how you know, professional 94 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: and well oiled and respectful and smart and bold it is. 95 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: And I walked onto set and was like, damn, twenty 96 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: one seasons in. Everyone is on time, everyone is exc 97 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: everybody cares about everybody. People are trading pictures of kids 98 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: and making sure people have what they need, and everyone 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: shows up to the table read and gives it. They're 100 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: absolute all. I was like, Oh, sets that are like 101 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: run by women are just different in the best way. 102 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: And I'm having the most fun. So thank you for 103 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: having me. 104 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 4: Oh stay, they stay. 105 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's lovely. I love it. 106 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: And of course Joy was on the show too, I 107 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: know that's right. So all three of you three yes, yeah. 108 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: So how did you guys decide to come up with 109 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 4: the pod together? The drama queens one? 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: So you know, we talked about this on my show 111 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: a bit with the two of you. But sets are complicated. 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: They're amazing, and they're complicated. And for all the sort 113 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: of wonderful stuff we got to have in our years together, 114 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 2: our friendships I think got even more expansive and even 115 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: more special in the years because there wasn't the kind 116 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 2: of like put your life on the back burner to 117 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: keep the ship of the set always moving at however 118 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: many knots in the right direction, Like we actually got 119 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: to be more whole people, which meant our friendships were 120 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: more you know, whole friendships. And it was early days 121 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: of COVID hitting and we were all stuck at home 122 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: and we were on a FaceTime and the girls Hillary 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: and Joy and I were out on the West Coast 124 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: and Hillary was back in New York and we were 125 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: joking like is it too early to open a bottle 126 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: of wine? And she was like, well, not in New 127 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: York and we were like, well, neither is it in California. 128 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: And we all like opened a bottle of wine together, 129 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: and then we were just kind of chatting and then 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: suddenly like an hour had gone by and we started 131 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: making dinner and we were just like hanging out on 132 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: a FaceTime but it wasn't, you know, a short catchup 133 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: or like a phone call in the car. We were 134 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 2: on video because we had nowhere to go, and it 135 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: kind of hit me and I was like, wait a second. 136 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: I do this podcast I do, which I love, and 137 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: I get to ask fascinating people all the questions that 138 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: I want to ask them. But this is kind of 139 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: fun what we're doing. And none of us are going 140 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: to leave the house. Everyone keeps saying two weeks. We 141 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: were like, that's not happening, Like we're not going to 142 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: leave the house for. 143 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: A long time. 144 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: Two weeks, the infamous two weeks. And so I had 145 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: a call with one of my agents and I was like, 146 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: is this a crazy idea and she was like, I 147 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: think it's actually a really, really great idea. And then 148 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: I called Hillary back and said, you know, because she'd 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: left the show earlier, and I said, if you hate 150 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: this idea, I'll never say I had it. But if 151 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: you don't hate this idea, like, should we call Joy back? 152 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: And she was like, let's call Joy. And that was it. 153 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: We just decided to build a world and like it's 154 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: been so healing and confronting and special, and I. 155 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: Was so, So that's the piece I'm interested in because 156 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're this is a very nascent phase for 157 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: us because we're only six months in. 158 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, it's just like the baby's little babies. 159 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: And I'm curious about your experience with you know, actors 160 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: are sort of we're we're we're meant to say the 161 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: words of other people and do the things on the set, 162 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: and of course we have opinions and of course we 163 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: have ideas, and it's a collaborative process, you know, absolutely. 164 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Then you go do this other thing where it's from 165 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: the beginning to the end, you and the origins of 166 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: all things are your ideas. Then they're your thoughts, then 167 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: they're your words, then you're editing them, and then what 168 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: you put out into the world really is yours. But again, 169 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: as actors were sort of trained to when we go 170 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: out to have our own words, speak in a certain 171 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: way and sort of like not not protect, but be 172 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: be judicious about how we speak about things or or 173 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: represent to project in a way that the project would 174 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: like to be represented. And then all of a sudden, 175 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: you find yourself in a podcasting space and you're you're 176 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: the project that you're representing now, and you my experience 177 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: is that you've learned. I'm learning how to speak about 178 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: myself in different ways, figure out where my boundaries are 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: with regards to like, what it is that I talk about, 180 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: what is that I don't talk about? What was that 181 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: like for you all in the beginning? 182 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's all of that. 183 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: And do you see a big difference between when you 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: started and now, like when you first picked up the 185 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: microphone where you like and. 186 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when we first started, we all got 187 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: together to be together in person and watch a couple 188 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: of episodes and record and we got to the end 189 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: of our first block of watching together and we all 190 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: just burst into tears, and none of us were expecting 191 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: to have that reaction, but we were sort of being 192 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: confronted with our youngest and most in sinceselves who had 193 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: you know, bonded and loved each other and not yet 194 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: been through the complexity, and not yet been through the 195 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: terrible behind the scenes stuff, and not yet you know, 196 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: learned we could each open up about our boss and 197 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: weird dynamics at work that women go through, and it 198 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: was it was like being on the precipice of something 199 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: that looked perfect, but you knew how hard it was 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: going to be, and you never get to have that experience, 201 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: and it was really unexpected and it was really special. 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: And through the years it has been all the things, 203 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: it has been really confronting. It has been really hard. 204 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: It requires that you go through things together, and you know, 205 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: as you know, winding up on a show together is 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: kind of like experiencing not one arranged marriage, but like 207 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: thirty or one hundred. Like suddenly you're just with all 208 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 2: these people all the time, and they're strangers, but you're 209 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: supposed to know how to perfectly intimately communicate and make 210 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: space for each other and whatever. It's hard, and it's amazing, 211 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: and it's been a revisiting of those things, but it's 212 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 2: also been a revisiting of those things as more adult 213 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: versions of ourselves, as wiser versions of ourselves. I think, 214 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: you know, we've been able to make more space for 215 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: each other. We've been able to make more space for ourselves. 216 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 2: Sometimes we do episodes and it's like we're transported to 217 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: a place. And there are some weeks where I know, 218 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: I'll come in so tired and think I am so 219 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: sick of talking, I have nothing left to say, the 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: world is insane. I don't know what I'm going to 221 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: do this week, And then something amazing happens, and yeah, 222 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: it has this life of its own. 223 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you know that in the beginning, in that 224 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: moment where you know, you went back to that place 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: together and then you all ended in tears, did you 226 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: did you get the inkling that you were going to 227 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: go forth and be doing some hard things like doing 228 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: doing the confronting. Did you know then, like, oh my god, 229 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: I think that we're going to confront this tough boss, 230 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: this situation that was not what people thought it was like, 231 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: did you know that? 232 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think what we knew is that 233 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: it felt important. What we knew is that when the 234 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: show first ended and we all ran as far away 235 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: from it as we could and we never wanted to 236 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: speak about it, it kept coming back and there was 237 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: no getting away from it, and we had to figure 238 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: out why sort of spiritually energetically, as a as a 239 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: version of a family, we were in this. And then 240 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: it really has been so special, and there were certain 241 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: things that just evolved, you know, as as we started 242 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: to talk about what was going on behind the scenes, 243 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: we would check in with each other and be like, no, 244 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: this really matters because nobody gave us advice, so what 245 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: if we could give women advice? And then there was 246 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: a day we realized we'd been sort of going through 247 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: the sequence of events at one point with our boss, 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: and one of us said his name, and it was like, 249 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: absolutely not. We will never speak his name. So we 250 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: talk about our boss, but we do not speak his 251 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: name because I will not honor him in that way, 252 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: and neither will anyone else who comes on our show. 253 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: We're like, you are a man who is a creep 254 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: like so many other men, and bye. And that was 255 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: like a thing we didn't know we were going to 256 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: do that. We had no idea that no one would 257 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 2: use his name, and we just don't. And it's been 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: this kind of cool thing where you're like, oh, we can, 259 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: we can make decisions for ourselves big and small. You know, 260 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: there are there are things there are you know, family 261 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: bust ups we'll never talk about. Every once in a while, 262 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, not everything needs to be on a thing. 263 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: I do even just mean that for us, I mean 264 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: that for other friends who have their own shows. I'm like, 265 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: some things just keep. But I think the overarching lessons 266 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: I think not being afraid to be vulnerable and say 267 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: these are the most cherished relationships, and they're also really 268 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: complicated at times, like we're human, this isn't actually a 269 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: TV show. There's a whole bigger life with three dimensional people, 270 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: you know, not two dimensional characters on a screen. And 271 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: so I think it's been really special and it's been 272 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: cool in our friendships outside of it, and in the 273 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: ways our families are growing, and in the places we 274 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: all live and the things we all do together. Even 275 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: the conversations we have now with the fans who grew 276 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: up with the show are rewatching the show. I have 277 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: this like deeper experience with everyone who ever loved one 278 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: Tree Hill than I ever knew I could before we 279 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: started this, and I already knew it was really special, 280 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: and now it's like we're all in on something together 281 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: and I can't explain it. It's like it has reconnected 282 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: me to why I love doing my job. It's reconnected 283 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: me to strangers in ways that for a while, like 284 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: I was really turned off and scared out in the 285 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: world because of some things that were happening, and now 286 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, I think most people are pretty awesome want 287 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: to hang out. 288 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Like do you feel like in re talking about it 289 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: you're able to or what is your relationship with being like, 290 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: oh man, I would have I could do that differently 291 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: or yes, yeah, do. 292 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: You mean as a person or an actor or both? 293 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: I guess both. 294 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 295 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: I just I think that our history is obviously such 296 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: an incredible place to learn from. At the same time 297 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: that again, it can sort of, you know, weigh you down, 298 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: and so it's like, what's the part that I you know, 299 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that moment that was really hard because 300 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm here now and I know I can handle that. 301 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: I talk about all the time, But I just I 302 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: love I love coach Cara, which is like is it 303 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: gonna get easier. It's not gonna get easier. You're just 304 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: gonna get better at doing the hard exactly. I think that, 305 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: Like that's how I I It makes a lot of 306 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: sense to me. So the doing the hard, it's like 307 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: the hard thing can happen, and you're you're the tiny baby, 308 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: right you just you don't even I mean I go 309 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: into fight, fight, fight or freeze, I freeze. I'm like, hmm, 310 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: what's happening? Yeah, and then I look, when I was younger, 311 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: I would just look for the grown ups in the room. 312 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: I remember saying that time and time again when people 313 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: would misbehave and I would be like, where are. 314 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 4: The grown ups? 315 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: We're taught. 316 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: But what's interesting is she's talking about the set being 317 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: a family, a family dynamic. 318 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: Right. 319 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: There are moments where, in all the years we've worked 320 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: in all the different shows and stuff, if someone they're 321 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: the adults are not in the room, you're looking to 322 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: adults that don't exist. 323 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 324 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: Oh wait, I'm curious. 325 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: When you guys decided that you were going to do 326 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: the show and you were just gonna speak your truth? 327 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: Was there? 328 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: Because we have this a lot of industry, did anyone 329 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: advise you guys to sort of play it nice. Was 330 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 3: there a push ever to be like, you guys, don't 331 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: talk about the drama behind the scenes. 332 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: I love that. I think everybody knows us well enough 333 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: and is like, if you tell those girls not to 334 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 2: do something, they're going to be like watch this. Yeah, 335 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: everybody knew probably not to do that. I will say 336 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: what was really interesting to me, and this was prior 337 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: to us obviously starting the show, but we all experienced 338 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: what we experienced on our show, and we were actually 339 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: the first cast to as a group author a statement 340 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 2: about use of power, because it was a way for 341 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: us to stand as a unified front and to not 342 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: have any one person's story be like exposed and re 343 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: traumatizing for them, but sort of run the gamut. And 344 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: when we were putting that together, which was then echo 345 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: and increased in number by the cast on our Old 346 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: Boss's show, at the time, I had had a job 347 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: in between, that was for me, as an individual, by far, 348 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 2: the worst thing I'd ever experienced. And I was told 349 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: at the time, you're going to have to pick what 350 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: story you're going to tell. 351 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: Because then you look difficult potentially like, oh, you've had 352 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: an issue with one show, and now you have an 353 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: issue with another. 354 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: Exactly. It was like men that are old enough to 355 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: be your father who break the law or the problem. 356 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 2: But you've had two men old enough to be your 357 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: father do this to you, and you run the risk 358 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: of looking like you're asking for it. And I was like, 359 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: I was like, anybody who knows me knows I'm like 360 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: a fire breathing dragon. So that's not it. But that 361 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: was a really interesting experience and it still is. And 362 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: I was very clear. I was like, I'm not just 363 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: not going to say anything about it, but I'll say 364 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: I'll say as little as I can and be clear 365 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: about this circumstance because what I won't do is not 366 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: stand with my family. Yeah, right, Like, I'm not going 367 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: to bow out of this conversation, even though my experience 368 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 2: in Wilmington was actually one of the earliest and the 369 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: fastest and then never happened to me again. It was like, no, 370 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: I'm standing with my family, of course, And that's an 371 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: interesting thing. And I think that's a I think that's 372 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: kind of a symptom of the disease of power that 373 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen we were only just taking the lid 374 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: off in our industry, and nobody really knew what the 375 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 2: ramifications were going to be, so it was like, well, 376 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: you're going to get out, You're essentially going to go 377 00:19:54,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: stand on the highway and hope not to get run over. 378 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 3: I hate that, like the feedback that you've got, and 379 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: it's something that I think that we've all sort of 380 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,959 Speaker 3: wrestled with that if you've had a bad experience, and 381 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: most likely had more than one, you're allowed to talk 382 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: at some point about just one. Pick your ball right, 383 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: Otherwise it's not their reputation. You're You can't say I've 384 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: worked with a bunch of people that have it's been tough. 385 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: I've had terrible experiences. 386 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 3: You're only then that makes you look bad, like, well 387 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: the problem to you, and I hate that we are 388 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: just given the one allowance to maybe talk about it. 389 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: I'm curious also if if anyone's apologized to you your boss, 390 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: has there ever been a moment or no, okay, no apologies. 391 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: Not that you guys need it, but I'm just curious. 392 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: Or would you like it? Would you would it? Would 393 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 4: it do something if you heard from that person. 394 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: The gamma of experience I've had is total silence and 395 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: denial to this is how I'm going to get away 396 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: with it. And it's like, wow, y'all are wild. But 397 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: what I find is helpful because every woman I know 398 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: has a story, whether you're in our industry or not. 399 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: By the way, like. 400 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: Talking about everybody. 401 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like every friend of mine who went to nursing 402 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: school has a story, Every friend of mine in academia 403 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: has a story, Like every friend of mine in real estate, 404 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: like you know. So, what I think has been really 405 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: helpful for me, and I think for all of us 406 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: is like when you've been through something horrible, especially at work. 407 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: For me, it's been helpful to be like mathematical because 408 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: math helps me process emotion. So I'm like, yeah, I 409 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: had two people who were absolutely grotesque to me. And 410 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: I've been a working actor for twenty years and every 411 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: set I've been on has been populated by like a 412 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: minimum of two hundred people. So I actually think my 413 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: ratio is pretty good. It's just really unfortunate when the 414 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: two people are the ones most in control of your life, 415 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: Like that's not great, And how are we going to 416 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: shift those things? And how are the behaviors around those 417 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 2: things going to change? And you know, how are the 418 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: reporting procedures going to be made safer for women and 419 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: all these things because we did it all right and 420 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: it didn't matter. 421 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: The reporting is maybe even the most complex because yeah. 422 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: I mean. 423 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, when I was asking, like what 424 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: you would do differently, I mean, when I think about it, 425 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: there's so many things right where I'm like, oh my gosh, 426 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: I would have done that. But I mean, I remember 427 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: being in a situation where what someone was doing was 428 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: so bad that someone else called HR. 429 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 2: Yep, I had that too. 430 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember getting I remember getting someone came 431 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: on set and said, Jessica, someone needs to talk to you, 432 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: being like like what I do? What I do, And 433 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: then when the HR needs to talk to you, and 434 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: I got taken to a room, and I remember my 435 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: heart like beating out of my chest and I remember 436 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: all the sweat, the sweat and the heart beat, and 437 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: I was at work, by the way, It's not like 438 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, I don't respectfully like I'll 439 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: grab you on a day off, right, like I'm going 440 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: to do another scene after this, And the HR person 441 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: asked all the like perfunctory HR questions about this person. 442 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: And I remember playing such a chess game in my 443 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: head because it was I think my thinking then, which 444 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: was not brave and not courageous and not supported or 445 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: held by my own self. Firstly, what can I say 446 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: that will like be the wink to you're not wrong? Yeah, 447 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: and please don't do anything or still. 448 00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: My job. 449 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: I still want to be liked and I still want 450 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: to be thought of as someone that's easy to work with. 451 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely because I am, because I fucking out. 452 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: Women, we're not. 453 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: We're made to feel like if we say this, I 454 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 3: still we're not. And then guess what, it's us who 455 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: get written It's not that you get fired, it's that 456 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: you get written off. 457 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 4: Yep. 458 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 3: And you can't argue that's the reason why that you 459 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: know deep down that's why you're gone. 460 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 1: I know, yes, yes, and I crafted that answer in 461 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: my head. I think enough to be to then you know, 462 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: all right, thank you very much, and I left, and 463 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: I remember going into my trailer and weeping, yeah, and 464 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: then calling someone who I trusted. This was pre to 465 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: This was pre people saying and still have your job. 466 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, pre July twenty seventeen was the out West. 467 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I really was yeah yeah, 468 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: but I called and I said, this just happened, and 469 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: this was my answer, and what do you think? And 470 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: they absolutely said that was this They condoned my avoidance. 471 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: It was you know, you said what you needed to 472 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: say to keep your job and keep going on and 473 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: affirmed yes. 474 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: You would be. 475 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: And by the way, it wasn't dishonest what this person said. 476 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: They weren't saying. They weren't they were they were furthering 477 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: the shit like they were furthering what we all thought 478 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: was what we were supposed to do. But they and 479 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: they thought they were being protective. But they at the 480 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: messaging was absolutely you should say nothing and handle it 481 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: yourself and do what you need to do. 482 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: Sophia, we have to We only have a few minutes left, 483 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: but we have a I have a question for you. 484 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 3: So we got asked in an interview what we would 485 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: love to ask Taylor Swift, and I thought about, what 486 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: is some sort of misconception about her that she would 487 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: like to clear up? So I want to offer you 488 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: the same question. 489 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: I don't know because I try not to pay attention 490 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: to what I think are misconceptions. What I will say is, 491 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: I think what's really unfortunate is when the most base 492 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: parts of our industry make a lot of money really 493 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: being reductive about women. And then no matter who you become, 494 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 2: or the complexity that you are or the service you 495 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: live in, anytime they can reduce you to like a 496 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: cartoon version of yourself or a trope or stereotype. They'll 497 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: do that because they make money on it, not even 498 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: because it's true. And that's something I find really hard 499 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: to watch. And I think there's a version of that. 500 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: I talk to some of my girlfriends about this recently. 501 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: I think there's especially a version of that with anyone 502 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: who's come from a teen drama, like they want to 503 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: keep you in high school drama forever. And I thought 504 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 2: about that a lot because I spent a long weekend 505 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: with a girlfriend of mine from my first show, and 506 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: we're family. We don't always agree, but like we're family, 507 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: and we really sat and just like unpacked. I mean 508 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: we spent six and a half hours, like on the couch, 509 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: drinking coffees on Sunday, just like digging into some stuff. 510 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: And she was like, God, we've been family for twenty 511 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: years and even I if we're just texting, can forget 512 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: the way you talk to me? And the space you 513 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 2: make for me, rather than the way I hear the 514 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: things I read because I read them as my insecure, 515 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: twenty one year old self, and I forget the women 516 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: we are when we're not in the room together. And 517 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: I was like, this can be with your closest people, 518 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: like of course, like we were joking earlier, of course, 519 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: the internet is a cesspool. Like what we're expecting people 520 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 2: to be like their best themselves from therapy with strangers online. 521 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: I wish we were, but we're not. And it's like, 522 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: I just wish, particularly for us, we were given a 523 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: little more space. We were given space to be brilliant 524 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: and imperfect and yeah, we didn't feel like we always 525 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: had to get it right just to exist at zero, 526 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: like when you were asking me about things. When I 527 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: look back at the show, I think about scenes I 528 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: wish i'd played differently, been like, oh, I love that 529 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: we disrupted this, and I love that we screwed up 530 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: the blocking and I remember, and we did this really 531 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: cool thing and it's great, And then I'll watch another 532 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: scene and be like, oh my god, I wish I'd 533 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: played it exactly against how it was written, so that 534 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 2: it communicated like what was coming next, But I didn't 535 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: have the wherewithal at twenty two to do that. And now, 536 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: you know, there's episodes where I watch it and I'm like, 537 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: who told me I could wear my hair like that? Oh? 538 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: You know, look at the girls and be like friends 539 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: and hair. There's these big lessons about artistry, and there's 540 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: big lessons about how how much courage you have, Like 541 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: you said, to say the hard thing even though you're 542 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 2: terrified it might disrupt the ship. You know, what does 543 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: it mean to ask for help even when you feel 544 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: like you've been somewhere long enough that you're not supposed 545 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: to need it. Like, I feel like I've learned so 546 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: much about myself in terms of my intellect, in terms 547 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: of my humor, in terms of being a really good human, 548 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: in terms of being absolutely ridiculous. Like I wish we 549 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: got to be more of our full selves out in 550 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, yeah, but that's probably like a hard 551 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: I feel. 552 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: Like the podcast allows us a little bit to be 553 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: more us because we're not on a talk show promote 554 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I feel like this allows us to 555 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: be a little bit more loose and messy and vulnerable. 556 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 4: But I agree with you, it's it's it's difficult. 557 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: I hear you. 558 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I feel completely myself in these moments, 559 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, even just like you know it's over zoom, 560 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: but we're looking at your beautiful face and just the 561 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: heart that you bring to you know, the stories that 562 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: you tell. And I mean again I have I mean 563 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: I've seen you on screen. I have eyeballs and ears 564 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: into telephone, right so I telephone is what I just said. 565 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: You know, it rings. 566 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes and I'm like a little banana phone. 567 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: I'm a smartphone. 568 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 4: The landline. 569 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: I see headlines and yeah, no, it's just it is. 570 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: That thing is a replacement for being in these kinds 571 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: of conversations. So thank you for bringing soia and and. 572 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 4: For calling it what it is over and over and over. 573 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: I love it. 574 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Yes, well to many more, and hopefully I see maybe 575 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: I'll see you in the halls of. 576 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: Of Graco Memorial. 577 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: Yes, please come play. 578 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Okay, stay away from the what is it supply closets 579 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: or go in I mean I don't know, in guys in. 580 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: The supply closet or was it a call room? I'd 581 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 4: like to know. 582 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: Please answer the question all right now we have to Okay, 583 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you, and let's call it the end 584 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: of the episode.