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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out

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Speaker 1: podcast back at it again. Uh, maybe running on films.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's Miami. I'm in my mid thirties, thirty five,

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Speaker 1: my man, Brett Veach, Chiefs general manager, once famously said

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes the best player he'd ever scouted. Looks like

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Speaker 1: a genius. We talked about that and just spend some

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Speaker 1: And we'll dive into that off the top. And then

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Speaker 1: the interview is about thirty minutes each was awesome. Um.

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Speaker 1: I apologize upon the Great Papa interview. I was probably

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Speaker 1: jumping him. Sometimes when you interview someone you're really close

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Speaker 1: to and you talk to a lot, you just have

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Speaker 1: I'm not exactly Howard Stern of an interview. I can

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Speaker 1: the interview. And then of course Middlecoff mail back at

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, follow me on Instagram. I'm gonna go back

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Speaker 1: to Radio Row. I've been given some insight views of

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Speaker 1: of of Colins Studio, of Radio Row, of just Miami

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Speaker 1: this is gonna sound like non football stuff, but these

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Speaker 1: And their lack of ego on in both franchises right

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Speaker 1: now is stunning. And someone, you know, my my dad

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Speaker 1: do you know Colin coward Man. That's cool. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is freaking cool. It's really I I met him

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Speaker 1: It's not all sunshines and rainbows. People can have huge

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Speaker 1: we kinda took a big swing at this defense and

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Speaker 1: made some wholesale changes wanted to start the safety position. Uh,

426
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: it was a good free incy class. I mean there

427
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: was a lot of guys um, I think, yeah, the

428
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: landing Landon Collins and Haja Dicks and Tyrone Matthew, I

429
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 1: mean Earl Thomas. There are a lot of safety so

430
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: um going through the tape. So just starting off with

431
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: just the pure film evaluation, I think when you watch him, um,

432
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: he is you know what you would call a Swiss

433
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 1: army knife. I mean the guy can place lock corner,

434
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 1: he can play down the box, he can blitz um,

435
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: he can play on the back end. He's got range,

436
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: he's got instincts, he got ball skills, he'll tackle. UM,

437
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: you can just utilize him in in every way. And

438
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: it was a cool process where we got through the safeties.

439
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: We knew that we were going to UM be aggressive

440
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: at that position. UM. We spent you know, weeks watching

441
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 1: all these guys. UM ended up with with Tyron as

442
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 1: as the guy that you know, we felt would be

443
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: UM the guy that would make the most sense. But again,

444
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: we're bringing in a new staff and and coach bags

445
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: is obviously UM knows what he's doing on defense. But

446
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: you remember too, he's he's a secondary guy. I mean,

447
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of his calling card. So I wanted to

448
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: keep the pure, you know, the evaluation pure. And what

449
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: I told Steve, I said, here are the guys that

450
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: we looked at, and I'm not gonna say you know

451
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: what we thought. I just want your evaluation and don't

452
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: want to throw any two since and I just want

453
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: to hear you know, your your thoughts after you watch him.

454
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: So Steve spent a little over a week, maybe we

455
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: can half watching all these guys. And Steve came in

456
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know this, this Tyron Matthew

457
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: is really interesting. And I was like, Steve, Man, stay

458
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: say no more, that's the guy. And then um, you know,

459
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: then you you quickly hear about the stuff. Um So

460
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 1: on top of just being a great player, um, Steve

461
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: had mentioned about the people that were around him and

462
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: said he was a special person and and all that

463
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And this would be good because he's

464
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: a good player, and plus you know, the people in

465
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: Houston are saying all these great things. Um but as

466
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned, John, you know, the people in Arizona raped

467
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: about what he brought to the locker room, and then

468
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: the people in Houston rape about what he brought to

469
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: the locker room. UM so we knew we were getting

470
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: a good player and a guy that was going to

471
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Speaker 1: change the locker room. Having been around him for a year,

472
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: all those things that people said about him in Houston

473
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: and all those things that people said about him in Arizona,

474
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Speaker 1: Um Arizona. Um, I would say, don't do him enough justice,

475
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: because he's one of those guys where you can say

476
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: he's a great guy, and you can say he's a

477
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: game changer, culture changer, but unless you are around him,

478
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: you just don't realize just how much. I mean, he's

479
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: a guy that it doesn't matter, you know, what role

480
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Speaker 1: you have in the organization. When you see him in

481
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: the building, you're gonna smile, You're gonna put us on

482
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: your face. He's always upbeat. He's a guy that, I

483
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: think the best way to describe it, you feel him

484
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: like he's the type of guy that you know hit

485
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: when he's around his presence has felt um. So again,

486
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 1: all those things here are true um, but when you're

487
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: actually around him, you realize it's that and much more

488
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: about Frank Clark you. So it's an aggressive move anytime

489
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Speaker 1: you trade a first round pick. Was a first round

490
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: and a second round pick second round this year, Yeah,

491
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: so it was a one and two and then we

492
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: flopped threes. We moved up a little in third. So

493
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: it's aggressive. Now you do have the nine or second

494
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: round pick from d Ford, but that was what was

495
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: the thought process in trading, you know, a hall like that.

496
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: And then what he's been especially these last this kind

497
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: of stretch run when your defense has flipped a switch,

498
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: it seems like he's been dominant. Yeah, I mean, Frank's

499
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive ends in the National Football

500
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: League and we felt that for a long time, just

501
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, doing our our evaluations on teams and players.

502
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: And when we start the process back in November December

503
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: watching free agents, you know, there was a lot of guys,

504
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, we had a couple on our team, and

505
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: then the Clownees and then the Frank Clark's. But he's

506
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: one of those guys that when you put on tape,

507
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: you don't you don't have to fast forward to find him,

508
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, making a play or you don't have to

509
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: fast forward to when he's gonna chase down the ball,

510
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: because he is all out every single play, relentless motor um.

511
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: And you know, once we transition to the four three,

512
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: and you know, we we knew, you know, the situation

513
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: we've been with Justin and d Well obviously, you know,

514
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: and we kind of share the same thought process at

515
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 1: quarterback and then overline d line. So you're moving on

516
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: from you know, two defensive ends outside backers and you

517
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: know you really have to find um, you know, cornerstone

518
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: at defensive end and Um. You know, once we talked

519
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: to Spags and and and we committed to the fourth three,

520
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: we knew right away that this was the guy, um

521
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: because he can really play in any scheme, but he

522
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: was the guy that we also knew that that. Listen,

523
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: they're not gonna let this guy walk. I mean, this

524
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: guy is way too good. They're gonna tig this guy.

525
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: So our plan the entire time was we have to

526
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get enough equity. And you

527
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: look at you know, the clear Mack trade. I think

528
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: he went for two ones and a two. So I mean,

529
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: people can put clear Mac up there at the top

530
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: of the pedestal and and and you know, rightfully, so

531
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. But um, even if you didn't

532
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: have to give up two ones and a two, I mean,

533
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give up a one plus. But

534
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: then you come into that issue, well, and every team

535
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: does it. You know, well, you know, if you give

536
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: us a one plus, they one to three. Your three's

537
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the draft, so it's really like

538
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: a four, and that's not enough value for a guy

539
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: like this. So you end up saying to yourself, all right,

540
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: you're there in or you're out. And that's why we're aggressive.

541
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: And we're like, all right, if it's gonna take a

542
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: one or two to get this guy, we believe in him,

543
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: and we believe in the type of player he is,

544
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: and what he'll do to our team, and um, you know,

545
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: we stuck to that. But the whole time, like when

546
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: we traded D four to the Niners one, once we

547
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: identified what we wanted, you know, which was a two.

548
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: Um it it was basically part in our mind of

549
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: the Frank Clark trade, Like we knew when we were

550
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: trading him that that pick was going to go to

551
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: Frank Clark. And now this gave is kind of whoever

552
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: wins right gets that extra little bump. But you're gonna

553
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: you get a no matter what, right at the end

554
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: of the second round, or you don't have your second

555
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: round pick. No, so, um we have. We had an

556
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: extra two, so we trade it. So so we traded

557
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: I can't keep, so we traded. Uh, we traded San

558
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Francisco to UM. So we had so basically before the

559
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Frank Clark trade, we had a one in two twos.

560
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: So um, you know, we traded last year's one and

561
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: um and and this year's one at one of this

562
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: year's too, So this year will be whole. In the

563
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: first five rounds we have a one. Obviously you've been

564
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: part of the draft process for a long time, but

565
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: when you're the guy pulling the trigger right there with Andy,

566
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. How nervous does that make you?

567
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: Just anytime you're giving up a lot of capital, even though,

568
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: like you said, this is the price of doing business,

569
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: and it's you're getting an elite player, but you're still

570
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: you're paying a lot. It's like buying a really expensive house.

571
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: It's still does it Does it get the juices flowing? Yeah?

572
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't. You know That's where um, you know, this

573
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: process is free agency in the draft, they're really they

574
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. So when you commit to move

575
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: like that, you're looking at every single option and okay,

576
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: what's your best option? So sitting sitting, um, you know,

577
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: from from you know, in my chair, all right, we

578
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: have a new defensive scheme and um, you know justin

579
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: Houston is is on a different team and Dford's on

580
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: a different team. Okay, Well, now you're sitting there in

581
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: the first round and you're at the bottom of one.

582
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be able to find a pass rusher?

583
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, what what's going to be left?

584
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: And you know you also have some other needs. You know,

585
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: what corners are gonna be left? What pass rusher are

586
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: gonna be left. Um, you have a team to fill, right,

587
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: you have a you have a team to fill. Okay,

588
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: So with this first round pick, would you know the

589
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: contract and you know the picks? Um, because it's a

590
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: double whammy you traded, but um, you know the contract

591
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: in the picks? Is that gonna completely um override what

592
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: you would take at you know, maybe a role player

593
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: at one the first year. I mean obviously when you

594
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: draft again in the first round, you want to be

595
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: a starter. But where you're picking is almost like a

596
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: second round pick. So the impact those guys will have.

597
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: And again you're talking about a premium position defensive end,

598
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: pass rusher um and it league player um and a

599
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: guy who's years old. So when we started kind of

600
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: doing all the math, I think he quickly realized, like,

601
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: this is the movie we gotta make because this guy

602
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: will be a game changer at a premium position. What

603
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: about the quarterback? You've there have been a lot of

604
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: articles written the last couple of weeks. I I mean

605
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I've known about it for a long time. You once

606
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: famously said at the combine, you know, he's the best

607
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: player you ever scouted, and you you kind of people

608
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: made fun of you a little bit, just because it's

609
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: a bold thing to say. Obviously, everyone shut up the

610
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: last couple of years, just because you know, he gets

611
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: compared a lot to Steph Curry in the sense that

612
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: he's just really fun and everyone beside the talent, people

613
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: just love watching him play. It's kind of funny. Um,

614
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: back before he was a starter, I made that comments.

615
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: You know, people kind of questioned me and kind of

616
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: poke fun making a comment. Um, now you get here

617
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: and after he's won an m v P and and

618
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: he's playing super Bowl. Now it's like, oh, he he

619
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: didn't say that, or he you know that he's saying

620
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: it now exactly. You know, it's funny. But um, but no, listen,

621
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, from top down, from Clark Conto,

622
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Andy Reids and my stuff, I mean, we we've been

623
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: very blessed and fortunate to have him in the building

624
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: and to see him every day, and we got a

625
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: special player. And um, he's a he's listen, he's a

626
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: generational talent. And um, you know I'm biased, but I

627
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: mean I would say that most of the other people

628
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: would agree with me. He's the best player in the

629
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: NFL and the Skies in the forum When was the

630
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: moment that you went this is my guy. Was it

631
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: a couple of games? I know you went to a

632
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: specific game I remember when they were getting blown out,

633
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: or yeah, I went to a couple of the one

634
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: game too. You went to multiple games this season? Yeah,

635
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: I went to a couple of and and one the

636
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: year before, UM, you know, the Iowa State game. I

637
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Speaker 1: had mentioned on a couple of different deals. It was

638
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Speaker 1: unique because it was the last game of the year

639
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Speaker 1: and UM text Tech was four and seven, and this

640
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: was a guy that was UM by that time, you know,

641
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: projected to come out for the draft, so he wasn't

642
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: playing for UM, you know, to get his team into

643
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: a bowl game. Um. I think they were four and

644
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: six or four and seven. They weren't going to a

645
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: bowl game. And I think the score I drove up

646
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: to Aims and it was freezing cold. I mean it

647
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: was in the teams, I believe, and it was forty

648
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: five seven at halftime and Pat left the game, didn't

649
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: play the whole second quarter, I think, with a separated shoulder.

650
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: And I told the story before you know, I'm packing up,

651
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: getting ready to leave, and I'm like, I see him

652
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: come back on the feelings warming up. Now again, it's

653
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: a meaningless game. It's forty five to seven, they're nobody.

654
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: There's like eight thousand people in the stands. But that's

655
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: like that speaks to his character. And then when you

656
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: fast forward to you know, the Denver game this year

657
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: and he gets hurt and our our medical staff did

658
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: a great job of of putting that knee back in place,

659
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: and he gets in the locker room and he wants

660
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: to go out and play. Um And that's him not saying, well,

661
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: I want to play because this national TV game and

662
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: and I want people to see me. No. I remember

663
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: the day I was at Iowa State and there's nobody

664
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: in the stands, no one was covering the game. There's

665
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: eight thousand people there, and he played with separation on

666
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: ESPN seven. Yeah exactly. I mean that's just who he is.

667
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just a competitor and and he loves

668
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: to play. He loves to compete, and he always puts

669
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Speaker 1: his team, um, you know, um first. And the guy

670
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: has gotten so many awards and so many accolades, um

671
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: it is has not gotten to his head. He he

672
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: just he loves being one of the guys. And um,

673
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: you know again very much like coach ready, guys got zareego.

674
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: I know you're busy, man, so I don't want to

675
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: keep you too much longer. I gotta ask you about that.

676
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Then the Niners, Um, when you look at their team,

677
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: what jumps out to you, Well, I think everyone would

678
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: probably have the same consensus. Just that defensive line. I mean,

679
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: you have to have great quarterback play. And once you

680
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: get a great quarterback, when you're building a roster, you

681
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: gotta figure out a way to put pressure on that quarterback.

682
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: And you know, the Niners, um, they just come at

683
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you with a deep bullpen of defensive lineman that um,

684
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, can can be disruptive, can shut down the run,

685
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: can affect the quarterback, allow you to just rush for

686
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: and playing coverage. So that will certainly be a daunting task.

687
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: And John's done a great job putting that that roster together.

688
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Him and Kyle obviously have a great poor much like

689
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: you know I think Andy and I do so um,

690
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then some of the things they've they've

691
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: done on Offensei've gotten a lot of skill um players,

692
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: whether the trade for Sanders or you know, we love Deebo,

693
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: Samuel coming out. We we we thought he was a

694
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: fantastic players. So they have a bad Yeah, and then

695
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta, um tight end is decent, right,

696
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: so um, now they gotta obviously, um, first of all

697
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: pro tight end. They got a bunch of speed at

698
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: white out, so um they um, they're gonna be handful

699
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: and and you know we're gonna have to come ready

700
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: to play and and it should be a great game.

701
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Kiddle from a scouting perspective. Why does

702
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: a guy like that, I'm sure you evaluate, and how

703
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: does a guy that's that good now clearly you know,

704
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: one of the best non quarterbacks in the league end

705
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: up to the fifth round? How does that happen? Yeah,

706
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: and you see it, um now And then I mean

707
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: sometimes the injuries pile up in college and you have

708
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: some stuff and you know you're missing some time, and um,

709
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: maybe you're not um, you know, tight ends nowadays are

710
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: just like white outs. Maybe you're not going to um

711
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: a prolific passing offense where you're getting featured and you know,

712
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: I was run the ball a little bit more and um,

713
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: then you have the you know you're throwing some injuries

714
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: here and there. But I do remember this though. He

715
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: put on a performance at his combine and you could fly,

716
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: you could fly and run and jump, and um, I

717
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: know the whole league was doing a second take on

718
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: a kid about you know him. And because I think athletically,

719
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, and that's you know the value of these combines.

720
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: People always say, well, you know, you get too cut

721
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: up in the combine just numbers. Well, what it does

722
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: is when you have guys like that, um whose production

723
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: is not great and her, Yeah, it forced you to

724
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: ask the questions why because athletically, I mean, let's go

725
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: back and look at you know, this guy's you know

726
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: running in you know the you know the mid fours

727
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: and jumping forward and doing this and playing out a

728
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: big time program. Um, it's a great final cross check

729
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: for things. But yeah, there's probably all there's always a reason,

730
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, white guy's fall. It is probably a combination

731
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: of um, you know, just not playing it in in

732
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Speaker 1: a And I wouldn't say obviously I doesn't feature tight

733
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: ends because they're known as a school that can continuously

734
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: produces tight ends. But um, some injury stuff and and

735
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, listen, you're not gonna check the ball. Um,

736
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Speaker 1: you know, a ton like that, but he was a

737
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: good player. Kelsey told me at ot As that both

738
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: those two guys owe him a million dollars each because

739
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: he helped them go up. Now, they were good players,

740
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: and he's like, they were more productive than me. But

741
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: there's no chance without my dominance. Last couple of years,

742
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: those guys fly that high, both of them going the

743
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: top twenty. You know, Yeah, you want to go on

744
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: the record said you had a second round pick, second

745
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: round grade on Kittle, but you just couldn't take him

746
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: because of Kelsey. No, no, I'm not taking I'm not

747
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: taking credit for San Francisco's hard work. They nailed that one.

748
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: What about the quarterback Jimmy? You know, and he's been

749
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: singing as praise is that he's kind of been a

750
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: controversial player. I'm a big fan of him. I think

751
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, if you can run the

752
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: ball like that, why wouldn't you do that? What do

753
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: you think of Garoppolo and just when you watch him

754
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: play and just over the years coming out to where

755
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: he's at now. I mean, the bottom line is a

756
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: guy wins, he wins games, and like you said, um,

757
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, I know, certainly the last playoff game, they

758
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: didn't have to. UM, But as you mentioned, why would

759
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: you throw the wall if you can? You know, for listen,

760
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: Pat mahomes Is is the best quarterback in the NFL.

761
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: But if we would start off the game, you know,

762
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: popping off run, you know, Pat me not throw the

763
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: ball forty times a game. I mean, so you know,

764
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: obviously like that game was a little bit of an outlier,

765
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: but you know, in crusial situations when he's had to

766
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: move the ball and create places, he's done that. And

767
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: go back and look at that UM Saints game. I mean,

768
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: he just put on a great display and just was

769
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: able to make play throughout the field. I mean, he's

770
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: he's a really good football player, and that's why San

771
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: Francisco was aggressive and that's why they gave up UM.

772
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: I guess second round picked for him. UM. But he's good,

773
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: he's talented, and he again talking about all pro tied

774
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: end talking about Sanders and and Debot and and these guys.

775
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: And then you know the they arsenally haven't running back.

776
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: They just have speed on speedback there. So I mean

777
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: they are they're a good offense and he's a very

778
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: very good quarterback. Are you nervous. I think you'll feel

779
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: it's Sunday. There's so much going on right now where

780
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: you don't have time, you know, Yeah, I mean so um,

781
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have media, you have practice, and then um,

782
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: you just have a bunch of stuff going on, which

783
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, on one end it kind of wears you

784
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: out a little, but on the other end, it just

785
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: you know it it keeps you from just thinking about

786
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: just the game. Now. I guess it's different for the

787
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: players because they're gonna ask about, you know, game type questions.

788
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: Um me, personally, it's more of just relationship with coach

789
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: and personnel stuff. So I feel team yeah, picture stuff exactly.

790
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: But um but no, I listen, you know, the family

791
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: start rolling in here Friday and there will be less

792
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: and less of this stuff. And I think once Saturday

793
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: gets here and you're doing the team picture stuff and

794
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: you're getting ready, I think it'll start to kick in.

795
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Have you let your mind wander to post game if

796
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: you were to win, what that would feel like. I mean,

797
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: there's a shortlist of general managers that have won. Listen,

798
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: I like, and you'd appreciate this because you've been around

799
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: coach read I want I don't want to peak too soon, right,

800
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to peak too soon. And and um,

801
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: we got a heck of a challenge in front of us,

802
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: and um, we're gonna have to have, Um, you know,

803
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: our guys come out and and be razor sharp on

804
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: both sides of the football to beat this crew. They're

805
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: very good. Um, but you know we're very good too.

806
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: So UM, I don't want to get hit of myself

807
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: and and and looking at Sunday and um looking forward

808
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: to just getting this thing started. I'm a very guy,

809
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: my friends and family all Nighter fans, but I'll be honest,

810
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: I have a very very hard time not rooting for

811
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: you guys. Man. Very happy for your guys success and

812
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: you and Coach Reid have been a been awesome watching you.

813
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: Many appreciate it man, and glad to see you're doing well.

814
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: And uh look forward to hopefully doing one of these

815
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: maybe after we win. Yeah, so I'll see at the

816
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: combine and maybe we can do Super Bowl Champ Brett vs. Okay,

817
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: let's get into the middlecoff mail bag. I feel like

818
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: my voice is about to go, So I'm gonna answer

819
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: a couple of questions that I got the I'm running low.

820
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: So if you guys got Middlecoff mail bag questions, fire

821
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: them into at John Middlecoff once the Super Bowl ends.

822
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: We're we're gonna need We're gonna need some juice. So

823
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: you gotta shoot me your questions. I'm gonna need you

824
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: at Uh Yeah, John Middlecoff. My Instagram handles say as

825
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: my Twitter handle, So fire him in, John. The Jets

826
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: had a disappointing season, even though they finished six and

827
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: two down the stretch. The team needs to improve in

828
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: many critical areas O line, edge rusher, wide receiver, corner,

829
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: et cetera. Obviously, addressing all these needs in one offseason

830
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: extremely difficult. Can you see Joe Douglas improving this team

831
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: to the Bills like the Bills did last season, making

832
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: offensive line and wide receiver priority. Well, they have some

833
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: pieces on defense. They spent money on C. J. Bosley,

834
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: they got Jamal Adams. They draft the defensive lineman in

835
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: the first round last year, who should be a good player.

836
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't really good at Alabama. He was banged up

837
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: last year. I'm a big Quentin Williams fan. I think

838
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: the key is to surround Sam Donald with talent, protect

839
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: him and give him weapons. They have Levian Bell. They

840
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: need to add offensive lineman clearly to block for the guy,

841
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: and they gotta get him. They gotta get him talent

842
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: at why at explosive playmakers, because when he was at

843
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: SC he had playmakers. He You gotta do whatever you can.

844
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: When you have a young quarterback to surround him with players.

845
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: It's the guy's best chance to have, you know, to succeed,

846
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: because without him succeeding, you know, without surrounding him with

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Speaker 1: the with the talent, it's hard to judge him. You

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Speaker 1: know that he's not He's twenty three years old. Twenty

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00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: years It's hard to carry a team in the NFL

850
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: at that age without help. It just is Listen to

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00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: your podcast a lot. Give me your thoughts on Kobe

852
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: and what you meant and what you meant to you

853
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: in sports, what he meant to you in sports. I

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00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 1: know you're more of a football guy, so I'm just Actually,

855
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: basketball has always been my favorite sport growing up. When

856
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: someone is iconic as Kobe gone, so suddenly it's really traumatic.

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00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: It's one of the greatest tragedies probably of my lifetime.

858
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Speaker 1: When you factor in, like all we keep talking about

859
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Speaker 1: is Kobe. I look at us. Three little girls died,

860
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: Three little girls died. That that to me is obviously

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00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: Kobe is the most famous person the helicopter by a mile.

862
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: But I I can't stop wrapping my heads around the

863
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: three little girls. And you know, I had a different

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00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: relationship with Kobe. I grew up a Kings fan. Kobe

865
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: used to kick our ass, so I didn't like him.

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00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't like him at all. I think

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Speaker 1: over these last four or five years, he's really really

868
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: grown on me because he's such a high level thinker,

869
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: really smart. I always respected the living hell out of

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00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: him for a couple of things, even when I hated him.

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00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: His work ethic was second to none. His toughness was

872
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: second to none. He played through so many injuries. I

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00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: love the NBA, unlike most of the mary I've seen.

874
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: The television ratings are in the tank. I can't stand

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00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: load management. I can't stand the effort of many of

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00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: the guys in the league making twenty plus million. It's

877
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: embarrassing And the one thing that kind of picked me

878
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: off all these players tweeting hashtag mamba mentality. Yeah, Kobe

879
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: had the mamba mentality. He played hard, he played defense,

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00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: He didn't take games off. The league is full of

881
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: guys to take Hey, guys, don't tweet Mamba mentality unless

882
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: you're a two way player, unless you try, if you

883
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: load manage. I don't want to hear it. Now. You

884
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: can give me your your thoughts on Kobe, like what

885
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: he meant to you. But the MoMA mentality thing that

886
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: the NBA ain't living Mamba mentality. They're just not. And

887
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: I I you can't respect him enough. And then just

888
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: how happy he looked, you know, I think that's he's

889
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: just heartbreaking with his daughter, you know, the one who

890
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: passed away with him, Gig, that it was a lot

891
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: like him, clearly because she loved basketball. And I'm out

892
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: a parent, and I know he had four other or

893
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: three other girls, but I imagine your one child that

894
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: likes doing what you like doing the most. And Kobe

895
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: Bryant was a basketball addict. I know he had other

896
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: passions and he started getting into other stuff. Basketball it

897
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: wasn't just his first love. It was like his true love.

898
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: It was beyond his passion. It was his life's work.

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00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: And it was clear that g G, his daughter, almost

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00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: copied him, and she was good, and just I can't

901
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: even I'm honestly can't take much more of it, like

902
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: the pictures and stuff. I just it hurts your heart

903
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: too much. And I'm not one of those guys that

904
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: can't handle like real and what's really going on. But

905
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: there are some stuff I I don't do well, with

906
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: little kids dying, especially multiple girls. It's just gut wrenching,

907
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: it really is. And I wish more players that tweet

908
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: mom mentality would actually play hard, for the love of God,

909
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: because I do love the NBA, but I don't like

910
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: the product right now. Is awful, horrendous, Like that's a

911
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: great part about the NFL. Not part of it, is

912
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: just the way the sports set up. You only play

913
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: once a week. You might watch some like ass Kickings

914
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: and maybe teams lay an egg a couple of times

915
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: a year, but even bad teams play really hard. You

916
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: watch the Bengals late in the season, they try. Guys

917
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: try the NBA guys won't try during the regular season.

918
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Your business models in trouble, Adam Silver, you might want

919
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: to draw a line in the sand for the first time.

920
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: They're they're the salary caps going down. You can blame

921
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Darryl Morial you want for fighting for democracy. The bigger

922
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: issue is America does. Basketball doesn't resonate right now because

923
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: you know what doesn't resonate with the common guy. Someone

924
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: making thirty million dollars doesn't even try at their job

925
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: or just half asses it. You know, fifty of the

926
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: time we can't relate to that most of us. Even

927
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: if you don't try, Once you start making that type money,

928
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: there is an expectation, especially when the greatest players in

929
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the history of the sport earned your respect through their effort.

930
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: Klobe busted his ass, Michael Jordan busted his ass. Yeah,

931
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: that's why I like the Warriors guys so much. Not

932
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: this year. They're tanking, but they're injured. Is that Steph

933
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: Clay and Draymond try? I mean, guy? Is that? Is

934
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: that too much to ask? Just to try? Where do

935
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: you see Philip Rivers going? Is there any chance the

936
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: Chargers trade up to the top five to take to Herbert?

937
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: Are the Jags of possible landing spot for free agent quarterbacks?

938
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: The fulls experiment failed miserably. I think I already answered

939
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: this question. Uh, I don't know where Rivers gonna go.

940
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: I've been asking around. No one has a good feel

941
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: for it. Sure feels like it's over in San Diego

942
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: or l A or wherever the hell the Chargers are.

943
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Rams fan here love the podcast. What offseason moves do

944
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: you accept to expect to see from l A? With

945
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: the salary cap issues? Do they draft a running back

946
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: and give Girly more breaks? And they just drafted running

947
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: back last year? They just they have five players that

948
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: account for about of the salary cap. That's a problem.

949
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna need to nail fifth, six, seventh and undrafted

950
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: free agents because they're in a pinch financially, and they're

951
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: gonna need Jared Goff to be better and I don't

952
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: really know if he can because he's not mobile. So

953
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: their running game has to be better. They still have

954
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: a lot of weapons on offense, Woods Cooks, that the

955
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: young tight ends, Everett and Higbee. They just need a

956
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: more consistent running attack because when you can run the ball,

957
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: it balances everything out for your passing attack. And that's

958
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: that's key because Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, and there's gonna

959
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of pressure in this new Officer defensive coordinator.

960
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I get Sean McVeigh fired Wade Phillips, But

961
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: the chances of this random guys better, let's be honest,

962
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: slim to none considering how little he has actually played

963
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: quarterback since entering the league. What exactly tast Him Hill

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00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: done to prove the Saints that he's worthy of consideration

965
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: for taking over for Drew Brees if Drew Brees does retire,

966
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: isn't Teddy Bridgewater showing that he's more incapable of taking

967
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: over until a true franchise quarterback who says it, Taysom

968
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: Hill is gonna take over a quarterback though I haven't

969
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: read or seen that anywhere now. I'm a little out

970
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: of the loop just being in Miami with some Saints coverage.

971
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: But if Tastom if they thought Taysom Hill, I was

972
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: telling someone this yesterday, was starting quarterback material when Drew

973
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: Brees hurt his thumb, he would have started those games.

974
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater started those games. They didn't lose any So

975
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: I was telling someone this last night, if they believed

976
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: in Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill would have been the backup

977
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: quarterback this season now and then that guy countered, well,

978
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: they used them on all this other stuff Okay, I'll

979
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: agree with you there. Let's say I do well this

980
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: year when Breeze actually goes down. Why wouldn't you give

981
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: a Taysom Hill a game at quarterback? I think they

982
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: know what he is. He's an incredible gadget player. He's

983
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: not a full time quarterback, and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, uh, he's like a Kyle use Check meets

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00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: meets like uh, trying to think of a quarterback. I

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00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: don't even know. He's like a He's like a quarterback

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00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: version of Kyle ust Check. That's that's how I would uh,

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Speaker 1: That's how I would describe. I appreciate everyone listening. I

989
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: hope you guys like the vach interview pretty timely. As

990
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: he's the general manager of the team playing the Super Bowl.

991
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: I really thank him for coming on with me. And

992
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. One to be home.

993
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: I just want to sleep my own bed, and two

994
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: to watch the Super Bowl. I know many of you

995
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: will be at at parties. This is one of those

996
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: super Bowls I'm probably I might be watching solo. This

997
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: is the this is the most excited I've been for

998
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and maybe ever. Can't wait uh god, I

999
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: love I love the NFL. I'm sure many of you

1000
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: do listening as well, because it's a fun league to consume.

1001
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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, have a great Super Bowl Sunday.

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Speaker 1: See you next week.