1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Seahawks Insiders Camp. Chafer comes up 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: and just load n getting you ready for Seahawks football. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Every Sunday, Russell has time fire down, got his bag 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: on one, he isn't touchdown short bow. Powered by Seahawks 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: dot Com. Welcome to the Seahawks Insider Podcast as we 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: bring you the look ahead to the Seahawks game against 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Jen Mueller, sideline reporter for the Seattle Seahawks, 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: alongside John Boyle from Seahawks dot Com and John I 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: assume that if we're just sitting here casually talking football, 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: all of your Christmas shopping is done. Everything's ready, most 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: of it. I gotta give credit to my wife, though 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: she did put in a lot more work than me. 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, could could type a few loose ends between 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: now and then, but I'm close enough. You know what, 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I realized about Christmas before we really dive into the game, 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: because our game is on Christmas Eve, so I know 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: that this is going to be on the minds of 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: a lot to people. I like gift giving. I particularly 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: like gift giving for birthdays. I'm kind of tired of 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: wrapping presents for gift giving a Christmas that I'm not 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: done with. Yeah, it takes so much more time. I think, 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's only gonna take me like ninety seconds 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: to do this. And then an hour and a half later, 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: when I have wrapped six presents, I am finally done. 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm glad that everything is wrapped is under 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: the tree. What I didn't feel like rapping it goes 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: into stocking because we don't wrap the presents to go 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: in a stocking. See, when you have a toddler, you 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: can't put the gifts under the tree. Maybe open already. 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: So she's very into ripping things. Oh well, she's gonna 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: be so stoked on Christmas morning then, and hopefully the 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: Seahawks are stoked on Christmas morning too, And hopefully that 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: means that they are coming off a win against the 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. And we're gonna get into this matchup in 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: just a little bit, because I think it's an intriguing 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: one despite the records and despite what the stats say 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: about Arizona. But first, the stats in the number say 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: that four Seahawks land on that Pro Bowl team, and 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: it is the first time for Cliff Avril, who is 40 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: nine years into his NFL career, and I think he's 41 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: been deserving of it long before now. But to see 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: him get that, John, you saw the smile on his 43 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: face a day after, it was pretty big. Yeah. I mean, 44 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: it's cool for anybody, whether it's you know, Richard Sherman 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: getting it for whatever the fourth fifth time, but when 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: it's a guy it's not only his first time, but 47 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: it's his first time after a long career. You can 48 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: see how they really appreciate that because you know, it's 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: not so much the obviously no one wants to play 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: in the game because you want to be in the 51 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: super Bowl and all that. It's it's just the people 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: recognize you and that kind of status it gives you 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: that that doesn't mean something to those guys as much 54 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: as you know, the focus is always the team in 55 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: winning first. You know, everyone has an ego to some degree, 56 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: and it's nice when people appreciate the work you do. 57 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: And then in football, there's very few individual honors better 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: than being called a pro bowler. Oh right, I think 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: that works in any line of work. You want to 60 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: be recognizing what you do. But I would say, you know, 61 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: especially for Cliff to come so late in his career, 62 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: and remember his rookie season oh and six did not 63 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: win a game into ches. He has seen the highs 64 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: and lows in his career, no kidding. It's easier for 65 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: him to talk about now because he's recovered nicely from it. 66 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, to go from being on that winless team 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: is a rookie to his first year here. He comes 68 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: in along with Mike Bennett. They signed a day apart, 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: which is always kind of a cool little nugget in 70 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Seahawks history. But yeah, he wins a super Bowl. He's 71 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: been to another one now he's a pro bowler. I mean, 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: it's it's been an interesting career for him, but a 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: very successful one. Yeah, and it helps erase some of 74 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: that stigma because he talked about that too. You know, 75 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: when you were on a winless team, there's a stigma 76 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: that comes along with it. It's really hard to get 77 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: rid of it unless you win a super Bowl and 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: then you're not talked about it in the same light. 79 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting hearing some compassion for 80 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and knowing that, you know, the Browns 81 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: need to take care of business and win a game, 82 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: but nobody from that Lions team wants. Anybody can't feel 83 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: like it'd be easy to think like, oh, well, if 84 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: you were on that line team, you're rooting for the 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: Browns to lose because then they take some of that segment. 86 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: But no, having having been through that, those guys Cliff 87 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: Avyell included, don't really want to see anyone else have 88 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: to live through. No. No, And Cliff and Michael you mentioned, 89 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: are really good friends. They trained together on the offseason 90 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Cliff Avril said he wished he had the 91 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: hand speed and the technician type skills that Michael Bennett 92 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: has at the line of scrimmage. Scrimmage, Michael Bennett said 93 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: he wished he had the speed that Cliff does rushing 94 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: off the edge. And both of them deserve a little 95 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: bit of blame for the sack dance. Yeah, yeah, they do. 96 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean Michael Bennett ultimately was the one doing it, 97 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: so he's gonna he's gonna get the flag and the 98 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 1: punishment for that. But as Michael Bennett pointed out, Cliff 99 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Averell was not exactly trying to talk him down from 100 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: that celebration, right, He was right in there kind of 101 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: egg and a dawn. Yeah, but as a good time though. 102 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: That's right, as Michael Bennett said, friends don't let friends 103 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: do that, and apparently on this team that does not 104 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: necessarily hold true. Now, all right, so let's talk about 105 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: the other Pro bowlers you mentioned. Richard Sherman. He has 106 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: been consistently good since coming into the league and still 107 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: has the respective quarterbacks of course. And it's funny now 108 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: he's gotten to this point in his career where which 109 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: is unfair for any cornerback, but it's like any game 110 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: or receiver might catch heaven forbid, four passes in a touchdown, 111 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: which is really rare. People want to say he's slipping 112 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: or he's not, and it's I mean, he is still 113 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: absolutely one of the best cornerbacks in the league and 114 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: he's playing like it, and you know, leads a team 115 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: of foreign receptions. And as you said, he still has 116 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: a respect of his peers for sure. I mean quarterbacks, 117 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: you know they're not gonna some avoid him or in 118 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: others between Aaron Rodgers over his career is barely throwing it. 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman. Some guys do test him, and sometimes it 120 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: comes back to bite him, like the Jets who had 121 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: some success in the first half and threw two picks 122 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: in the second. Yeah. Yeah, Well I'm glad that you 123 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: kind of have that comeback, because somebody asked me just 124 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: this morning, it's like, well, you know, how much is 125 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: how much is sure him slip? Where's his game gone? 126 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: And I thought, I don't really even think that that's 127 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: the case, and I kind of got a little myft 128 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: that offended. I'm sure he's not going to get eight 129 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: interceptions a year anymore because people don't throw it, doesn't 130 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: get the same opportunities. He's still if you just watch 131 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: him week in week out and how little he gives up. 132 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it's impossible to cover every route every time, 133 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: but when he does give up catches, it's not you know, 134 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: you're not seeing him beat over the top. He's not 135 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: giving up those long touchdowns. He's not giving up the 136 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: long shots down the sideline. That's he's still awfully darn 137 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: good at what he does. He is, and so is 138 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, who continues to be among the league leaders 139 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: in tackles. He is. He is the league leader. Yes, yes, 140 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to sell him short on that one. 141 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: He is closing in on a franchise record, and he 142 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: is well deserving as a pro bowler. Absolutely, I mean 143 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: this is this is this third straight year getting it. 144 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: He's um. You know, you could make an argument he's 145 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: probably going to be at least in the conversation for 146 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. As Richard Sherman has pointed out, 147 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: sometimes being one great defender on a team Folham hurts 148 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: you in that award. They want the guy that kind 149 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: of jumps out with all the crazy stats. But yeah, 150 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he needs nine more tackles to break an 151 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: almost thirty year old franchise record, and I'm bad at 152 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: math almost forty year old franchise record. There's a reason 153 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: we went into writing and broadcast eight as the year 154 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: Terry Beeson. So yeah, I mean phenomenally year. He's added 155 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: a little bit to his game with the pass rush 156 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: because they're blitzing him more. You know, Kji right was 157 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: talking about this the other day. He's improved in his 158 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: recognition of routes and his coverage and all that and 159 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: just and we should mention kJ because those two, what 160 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: they've been doing this year really goes hand in hand. 161 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they're both great players individually, but so much 162 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: of what they do is tied together, and they've both 163 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: just been outstanding. And kJ Wright very easily could have 164 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: been another Pro Bowler for this team, and still could be. 165 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: He's an alternate, so hopefully for his sake, maybe somebody 166 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: bows out and he gets at least that recognition, or 167 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: maybe they don't get a chance to play well at all, 168 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: better at all. Yeah, And I think it's interesting too 169 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: that kJ very easily could be an All Pro Yeah, 170 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: because of where the votes come from. And yes, I 171 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: know that the players now have a say and part 172 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: of the Pro Bowl, but fans are still voting on 173 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: that one too, so he could get recognition in other areas. 174 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: But it is hard when you're talented on a very 175 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: talented defense, and there's kind of a log GM two 176 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: in the way that they rate linebackers. We talked about 177 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: this before, but it's really hard to be a four 178 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: to three outside linebacker and get that recognition because Pro 179 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Bowl and All Pro just have inside linebacker outside linebacker, 180 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: and when you're an outside linebacker, well, so is Von Miller, 181 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: so is Khalil Mack and these guys who are also 182 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: great players, but they do a totally different thing and 183 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: it stands out a lot more when you have ten 184 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: sacks than when you have a hundred and whatever tackles 185 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: but don't have sacks and force fumbles and all that. So, 186 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, really, unless you're gonna kind of differentiate it 187 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: of four to three and three four inside and outside linebackers, 188 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: it's always going to be tough for the kJ right 189 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: to the world to get probably the recognition they deserve. 190 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: He has certainly been recognized on this team. So all 191 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: four of the Seahawks Pro bowlers come on defense. It 192 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: is Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman. You 193 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: mentioned Kj's an alternate. Justin britt is an alternate as 194 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: well on the offensive line, which brings us to the 195 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: next iteration of the offensive line, because we've got to 196 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: change again this week at right tackle, which is not 197 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: usually what you would expect to see. Yeah, in a 198 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: late December game. Well and Tom Cable, I mean he 199 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: was pretty frank about it. It's in a perfect world, 200 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: that's not what you want. You. I mean that that 201 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: position group you always hear about continuity and how that matters, 202 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: and it does and if you could, I mean, you 203 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: look at the best offensive line en franchise history. That 204 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: group in two thousand and five was together throughout the year, 205 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: same five guys, great group. But it just helps so 206 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: much when you have that. But at the same time, 207 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: if you're going to preach competition, you gotta kind of 208 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: let guys battle for spots. And because it injuries, there's 209 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: been some changes. And give Gary gilliam credit. It could 210 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: have been really easy if he lost that job to 211 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: just kind of go the wrong way and and never 212 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: really get it back, and you wonder about his future 213 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: here and all that. But he he talked about this today. 214 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: How you know, he said there was never animosity towards 215 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: his coaches, towards his teammates, towards Bradley Swell who took 216 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: that job from him. It was it made him step 217 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: back and look at, Okay, why they do this, What 218 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: do I need to do to get a job back? 219 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: What am I not doing? Kind of look in the mirror, 220 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: as they say, And he did enough for them to 221 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: give him some, you know, real chance to compete, and 222 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, look, if this works out, it's another really 223 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: good example of why you know, there's we always talk 224 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: about there's difference between saying you want to have competition 225 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: and really letting it happen, and a lot of coaches 226 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: just wouldn't do this. We know they would not make 227 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: the change and they would live and die by that 228 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: group and let them develop chemistry. Yeah, try to develop chemistry. 229 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, obviously the only time I'm going 230 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: to tell if this was the right move, But it 231 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: is true to their philosophy. If you're going to be 232 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: truly about competition, then you let it play out and 233 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: you hope that it makes you better down the road. 234 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: And yet the flip side of that conversation is if 235 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't work out as well as you would like, 236 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: now you've opened yourself up to second guessing, which I 237 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: think this coaching staff and this team is capable of 238 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: dealing with. But just so much conversation has gone on 239 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: around the offensive line, and I find it really hard 240 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: to grade an offensive line. I know that you're looking 241 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: at rushing yards and rushing attempts, but that doesn't tell 242 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: the whole story. Particularly with the way that the Seahawks 243 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: run their offense, It's hard to know which assignment was 244 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: not correct or was correct, And I don't like trying 245 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: to get into dissecting that. So how much of the 246 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: offense is predicated on the offensive line. How much of 247 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: the offense it's just everybody along for the ride. Does 248 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: that make sense? Yeah? And I mean you're absolutely right. 249 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: It's pretty impossible if you're not actually in those meeting 250 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: rooms to know the assignments. And both I always bring 251 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: up offensive line play and secondary coverages are the two 252 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: things where it's really easy to watch on TV and 253 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: say that guy blew it. You might be completely wrong, 254 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: it might look like it, but that wasn't his job 255 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: on that play. So you know, to the offensive line specifically, 256 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to rely more on what coaches 257 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: are telling me because they know and Tom Cables is 258 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: straight a shooters there is out here and you know 259 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: he'll he'll tell you when they're not playing well, and 260 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: they've had their ups and downs. Consistency has been the 261 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: bigger issue than you know. It's not that they can't play, 262 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: it's just, you know, they need to put it together. 263 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: In thousand one things. Pete Carroll mentioned his press conference 264 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: this week, it's you know, they up front. You know, 265 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: they had the penalties and they just haven't been as 266 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: clean as they want to be. And they've seen enough 267 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: as I mean, they were averaging before this last week 268 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: over six yards of carry for a four game stretch, 269 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty yards a game for that four 270 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: game stretch. So it's not that you know there. Their 271 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: season long rushing totals aren't great, but Thomas Strawles wasn't there, 272 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson wasn't health and since they got those two 273 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: pieces a healthy Russell Wilson and Thomas Rawles, they were 274 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: actually running the ball really well until they ran into 275 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: the team that has given them more trouble than any other. 276 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: So look, they didn't I'm not gonna argue they played 277 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: well against the Rams in terms of their running game, 278 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: but I will say I'm more likely to look at 279 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: the four games prior to be probably what they more 280 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: truly are right now than one bad game against a 281 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: team they pretty much have always struggled against. Yeah, I 282 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: think you do have to take some of those outside 283 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: factors into consideration. And as Russell Wilson pointed out this week, 284 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: their big focus has been not the running game, and 285 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: maybe because they felt like they were starting to get 286 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: on track, but it's third down conversions. And for the 287 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: last three weeks they've converted either fifty percent or just 288 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: under fifty percent on third down conversions. That is a 289 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: far cry from where they started and it just felt 290 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: like a slog in those first six seven weeks. They 291 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: could not sustain drives. That hasn't been the problem the 292 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, which I think if it again, 293 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, some of those numbers and even the win 294 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: loss total doesn't look so good, but if you can 295 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: stay on the field and give Russell a chance to 296 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: make a play, you're in much better position than taking 297 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: a look at some of those other numbers. Yeah, I 298 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: mean early on they had all these games where they're 299 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: having around a third of their third down conversions, and 300 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: then they went fifty percent against New England, dipped a 301 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: little bit, and then, like you said, they've been right 302 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: around fifty percent ever since. So it's you know, that's 303 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: there's a reason teams harp on third down, and it's 304 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: it's a very telling stat not just because whether you 305 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: had success on that play, but you tend to be 306 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: better on third down if you're doing well on first 307 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: and second down. Absolutely, when you're running the ball a 308 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: little bit or you're just getting those short passes early 309 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: on and all of a sudden, you're in those manageable 310 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: down and distance as the term you always hear, manageable 311 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: down and distance. If they're staying on schedule, they're going 312 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: to be a good their down team. I mean, Russell 313 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: Wilson's a great quarterback. They've got the weapons that they 314 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: should be able to convert if they're just avoiding. That's 315 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: where the penalty that number last week's pretty impressive when 316 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: you look at all the penalties they had, because that's 317 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: where you see these drives get killed so often, is 318 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: you have a false starts first and fifteen, you have 319 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: a whole second and twenty whatever it is, and it's 320 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: just so hard once you get behind the sticks like that. Well, 321 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: and they had ten fewer offensive plays last week than 322 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: they did in Green Bay. And that's the other thing 323 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: because during the middle part of the year and the 324 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: Seahawks weren't getting enough plays on offense to make any 325 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: changes or to make a difference. You had four straight 326 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: games where they were over sixty plays a game. Last 327 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: game they were at fifty eight. But again, when you 328 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: add that with some of those penalties, you are making 329 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: the most of what you have. Yeah, and that all 330 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: is so closely tied together. You're you're not good on 331 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: third down, you're not staying on the field, you're not 332 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: getting enough plays, and that's when the offense just you know, 333 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: we heard about in those couple of games where they 334 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, they'd ran fewer than twenty plays in the 335 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: first half. You can't get anything done because you just 336 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: you haven't seen enough so much of what the NFL is, 337 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, as seeing how what's working, what's not, and 338 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: then adjusting. Well, if you have a few three and 339 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: outs and that's the only time you're on the field, 340 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: you can't really make adjustments to that. So what does 341 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: all of that look like going into this game against 342 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: the Cardinals? Because the Cardinals are just playing out the 343 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: strength right there, They're just playing out the last couple 344 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: of games. They don't have anything on the line. How 345 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: contentious does this game get or will it feel? I 346 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: think it'll still have kind of the same type of feeling, 347 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: just because I think there's enough you know, division, rivalry, animalsy, 348 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You know, Bruce arians 349 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: has never been shy about making his comments about other 350 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: teams and players will chirp and all that. So I don't. 351 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to see that. Cardinals come 352 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: in here, lay down by any means, and they you know, 353 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: pride's a real thing for these players, and you've got 354 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: you guys playing for contracts, guys playing for a job 355 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: the next year. So it's you know, you do always 356 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: wonder how a team's going to react to being eliminated 357 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: from the playoffs, or like we saw last week, how 358 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: team's going to react to a coaching change. But for 359 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: the most part, I don't think that's a huge factor 360 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: in the game. I just wonder how much different it 361 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: looks because these teams are both different since the last game. 362 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean, the Seahawks are healthier on offense, They've got 363 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: different weapons. I was talking to Bobby Wagner today. He's saying, 364 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: you know, David Johnson has been so good bait. They 365 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: didn't they weren't his commit to using him in the 366 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: last game, and he wasn't a big factor. And if 367 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: if they can get him going like he has been lately, 368 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, their offense could buck a lot different. 369 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: So I don't think we're going to see six six again. 370 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I would not think so. No, I think that that's 371 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: a pretty good bet. And I also know that the 372 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: defense is certainly motivated to limit those points allowed because 373 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: they are back in the conversation they are right gonna 374 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: be there. Two points? Right, is that separates them? And yeah, 375 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: I think it's two total points. And so there's a 376 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: chance this week that there is a chance. I know 377 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: that Carson Palmer is on pace to throw for four 378 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: thousand yards for a second straight year, and Larry Fitzgerald 379 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: is doing amazing things, and I think this defense is 380 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: certainly motivated by the chance to do that again. Oh 381 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: for sure, they know about it, and they know where 382 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: they a few of those guys, I know, Richard Sherman's 383 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: one of him. He keeps track of this. Yep, they'll 384 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: they'll know what's going on, they'll know what they need 385 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: to do, and they'll heading into that last week, they'll 386 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: be well aware of it. And this week's game is 387 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: important because it does impact the playoff position in the 388 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: playoff picture, I should say there's a chance the Seahawks 389 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: lock up the number two seeds this week. Yeah, they could. 390 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: They're not really going to talk about that and focus 391 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: on it. They just know it's that's what that's what 392 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: we're hearing, John, that's what you're going to talk about. 393 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: They win, and if Detroit helps him out and loses, 394 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: and Atlanta's the other one, right, Atlanta could tie it 395 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: or lose. That's what it is. So they've got you know, 396 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: they've got a decent chance. But I think they're more 397 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: looking at it as they know it's there. They're not 398 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: pretending that the two seed in the buy is an 399 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: out there for him, but they're not. When you hear 400 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll talk about not worrying about that, it's not 401 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: that he does care about it or doesn't know about it. 402 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: It's that what those other teams are doing that can't 403 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: be the focus. You can't worry about that. And that's 404 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: why before last week it wasn't even in the conversation 405 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: all because they didn't control their own destiny in that. 406 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: But now that they do, they know that. Look, just 407 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: take care of your own business and you'll be fine. 408 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: And if they win out, it doesn't matter what those 409 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: teams do. So win these last two games, it doesn't matter. 410 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're right. They do have a chance 411 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: to lock that up this week, so we'll have to 412 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: see what happens. But that buy would be awfully nice. 413 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: That would be really nice. Had a week five bye 414 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: that would be quickness, that would be nice. And then 415 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: a win on Saturday would also mean that the Seahawks 416 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: are perfect at home this year, which I think means 417 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: something something to them too, because they know how much 418 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: the fans impact those games. Yeah, and that's you know, 419 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: there's a pretty special connection here between the players and fans. 420 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: So if you can reward those fans with you know, 421 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: every time you go to a game you get to 422 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: see a win, that's that's nice for the fans. And 423 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, if you're you're spending that money on your tickets, 424 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: it's nice to go home after a win every every time. 425 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's you know, that's a hard thing to 426 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: do in this league. You know, they're the only undefeated 427 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: home team right now, and they got a chance to 428 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: finish the year that way for first time since twenty twelve. 429 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty good about that. I'm feeling pretty good. 430 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Santa comes a little early on Christmas Eve, you 431 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: don't have to stay up to like midnight. See if 432 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Santa comes. Maybe he'll come it about I don't know, 433 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: five five thirty you've been earlier, right, Well, so it's 434 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: a one twenty five kick, so we should be getting 435 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: done at what four thirty five. Yeah, we'll give Santa 436 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: that five o'clock window to play with, and then, of 437 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: course we will be spending Sunday celebrating and relaxing with family. 438 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: We hope that you will be doing the same, and 439 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: we hope that next week we're talking about a Seahawks 440 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: win against the Cardinals and looking forward to that final 441 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: matchup against the San Francisco forty nine ers. Remember, if 442 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: you've missed any of the podcast you can check those 443 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: out at seahawks dot com Slash Podcast. Please do tune 444 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: in on the Seahawks Radio network for our call of 445 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: the game on Saturday and read everything that John's got 446 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: for you on seahawks dot com. We will see you 447 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: next week.