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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 2: Everybody out? Peanut to him and this is the NFL

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Speaker 2: Player's Second Act podcast and with me as always as

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Speaker 3: That was kind of my belly, But thank you, though

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the introduction as always, like you hit me

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Speaker 3: a little low like up here Pierre. Anyway, he's really

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Speaker 3: He's an amazing player. He's actually a trendsetter, a trailblazer

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Speaker 4: He is a smart, brilliant human being. So I say

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Speaker 2: Pioneer in bitcoin. Yes, he's a two time pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: Nice. Even the production guys are clapping for me. That's nice, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been butchered my entire life.

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Speaker 1: Berrys to go about Thurman Thomas. Okay, okay, he but.

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Speaker 3: I didn't ask Barry. I didn't ask Barry that you didn't.

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Speaker 3: But I want to know you're welcome to still Water.

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Speaker 1: Man, welcome to Stillwater moment.

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Speaker 2: I've actually played there, you have, I've never been. Where

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, all right, I actually I do remember.

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Speaker 1: It was my first house party. Actually, okay, we're freaking

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Speaker 1: There's a country sigre which she came out of Oklahoma State. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't know it.

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Speaker 3: I'm no because I'm I'm waiting on Thomas to send

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Speaker 1: He'll come to me.

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Speaker 2: Thomas back there doing He's hard let me let me

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Speaker 1: But look, I'm I was born and raised in Houston,

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Speaker 1: Toby Keith.

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Speaker 4: I love this bar.

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Speaker 1: We're at his house. He doesn't live there anymore, so

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Speaker 1: he's not party with a bunch of eighteen year olds

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Speaker 1: just like laying out there. I say, it's just for people,

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Speaker 1: like it was like a place to party, Like you

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Speaker 1: go over there like here it's his house, like you

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Speaker 1: kind of want to capture its essence and you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it was my first Natty light. Yeah oh really

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Speaker 1: that was ferson. It was my personality life. There we go.

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Speaker 4: So that was your welcome to Stillwater.

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Speaker 1: I would hope, you know, we will want to we

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I just have always heard like, man, dude,

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Speaker 3: still Water's kind of out there, dude, Like it's it's.

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Speaker 4: Out there a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the people that go to school, they love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fans love it and they represent really are.

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Speaker 1: You know, because on the win end, like it's very

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Speaker 1: and people like hang out, hang out. You'll be hanging

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Speaker 1: and caught some catfish or something and they'll come and

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Speaker 1: scale the catfish there and you're just you're just hanging

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Speaker 2: Nice. Did you ever go noodling?

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Speaker 1: I was. I was too afraid to put my hand

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 1: You know no one ever told you the story? No? Okay,

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Speaker 4: Oh lord, you're going to get a Super Bowl ring.

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Speaker 2: This may be the he might be.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I'm not gonna take anything away

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we're in a team meeting and he's just

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Speaker 2: So after I thank you for sharing that. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that.

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Speaker 4: You still get no ring.

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Speaker 2: Well, damn I need a new A want to need

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Speaker 1: Are you available? You want to host show with me?

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Speaker 1: Right now? I'm not as good as you guys are, No,

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Speaker 2: I think we played y'all one game and he actually

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Speaker 2: He was like, I think you're hell of a player

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Speaker 1: Right, he was just like I literally I was like,

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Speaker 2: I taped him. I just had to had like a

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Speaker 1: We're the guy Byron Byron Maxwell. I think, Yeah, this

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Speaker 4: Look at you, dog. You never told me that.

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Speaker 2: So when they first did it, I just was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I got it. I got it. Sorry, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love that great.

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Speaker 1: You want the good and the bad, or you just

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Speaker 2: I want the good of the bad.

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Speaker 2: I want you to I want you to give me

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Speaker 1: Like I'm an open book. I'm an open book. Look, Pete,

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Speaker 1: it's special, right, And he has a way of galvanizing

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Speaker 1: He wants people to celebrate their uniqueness, right, But also

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Speaker 1: the type of culture that he wanted and created to do, right,

436
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 1: which is you know what made the Super Bowl situation

437
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: so hard when we lost Super Bowl? Right, is that

438
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 1: how can you have a person who preaches culture right

439
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 1: and talks about our identity and who we are as

440
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: his team. But then when the moment comes down to it,

441
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 1: we don't operate within who we are in our identity.

442
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: We miss it, right, So look, I think that's I

443
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: could probably talk a nauseum about that situation, but I

444
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: think the truth is is that it was a phase.

445
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 1: It was a stage in life. Yeah, I learned a

446
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 1: lot from him, right, I think he taught a lot

447
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 1: to the organization. And I look, I don't think it

448
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: was an accident. And while we had success, So.

449
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 2: With that being said, they should have gave Marshawn the ball.

450
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: Like I think the best way I think about it. Yeah,

451
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: And look, Marshawan and when I talk and I talked

452
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: to him about it, he seems to handle it well.

453
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: And I'll let him certainly speak for himself. But look,

454
00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't just a bad play, okay, right, I got you.

455
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: This was a form of betrayal and I'll frame it

456
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, right, And you know the way we

457
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: became who we are as a team. I think we

458
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: had a very pivotal moment, at least for our offense.

459
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 1: It was I want to say twenty eleven to Var

460
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: Shackson was our quarterback. We're going down and playing the Cowboys,

461
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: and we had a hard time just even generally speaking,

462
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: like converting on third down. We couldn't convert to save

463
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: our lives. The defense was always on the field, you know.

464
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: And Tom Cable gets up in front of us, he

465
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: was the offensive line coach at the time, and he says, Okay, guys,

466
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: who do we want to be? That's an offense. We're

467
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: actually having a team meeting at this point. Who do

468
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: you want to be? One guy puts his hand up

469
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: and says, okay, we want to have explosive plays. Okay,

470
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: we like that, all right. We want to take care

471
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: of the ball. Yeah, like that too. But then some

472
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: guy says, we want to fight for every single yard okay,

473
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: And Tom's like, oh, I like that. I like that.

474
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: He said, well, every blade of grass should matter. Yeah,

475
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: of course. So if it comes down to it and

476
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: the games on the line, what are we going to

477
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: do better than anybody? Well, we want to run the ball.

478
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: We have the best runner in the game, Marshawn Lynch.

479
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: We want to run the ball. Okay. So we go

480
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: we play the Dallas Cowboys. That week, we're down I

481
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: don't know, fourteen twenty points, right, Like most teams are

482
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 1: getting to two minute throw the ball as much as

483
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: they can. We kept running that ball as if it's

484
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: seven on seven. And I think that was the point

485
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: in which you came into our identity as an offense.

486
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: We're going to take care of the ball. We're going

487
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: to play action, throw the ball over your head, but

488
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: we're going to prioritize running the ball because that's who

489
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: we are. Yes, Okay, So now it's twenty thirteen, well,

490
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the games on the line, right, you're playing

491
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: New England Patriots, which you guys know that's just a

492
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: that is the most disciplined team you'll ever play, right.

493
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: You don't make mistakes when it comes to them, right.

494
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: And Pete even said, we're gonna be who we are

495
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: going into this game no matter what, and we're gonna

496
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: look up and either we win or we lose. I'm

497
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: fine with that, right. But we're one yard away, okay,

498
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: And all the things that we're saying that we're preaching

499
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: every single week, because Pete so great a culture, we

500
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to express that. And what do we

501
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: decide to do.

502
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: So run the screen.

503
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: I see it that way. Yeah, I see it as betrayal.

504
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: I saw it as betrayal. I don't hold anything against them.

505
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: So now you're showing it there.

506
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: It is good job, Thomas Swift.

507
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

508
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 4: That's what it just turned it out.

509
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: Your producers are really good.

510
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: Oh they write on it.

511
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: I was at this game.

513
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: You were at the game.

514
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: I was at the game. Yeah.

515
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: It rewinded a little bit, right, And the worst part

516
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: about it is no one who took immediate accountability for it.

517
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: That was the worst part. It was just silent.

518
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: Do you think they were just silent because it was

519
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: this disbelief, like I just can't bleed that just happened.

520
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: I think it was a multitude of different emotions.

521
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: Like what what do we just do? We should have

522
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: ran the ball? Why do we throw it? Wait? What

523
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: just happened?

524
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: We lost it. I can take a loss, even on

525
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: this stage. I can take a loss. I've always been

526
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: able to do that. But I will always take the

527
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: loss being who I am. M hm right, I can

528
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: get beat on the one on one whatever. Thinking about

529
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: me in my past thatts I've always been an agressive player,

530
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: I'll jump on you and get on you. And if

531
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting beat and the game's on the line, guess

532
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: where I'm going back to. I'm gonna jump you.

533
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 4: That's because that's what I do.

534
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: That's who I am. That's what I do. And if

535
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: you beat me, you spin, you hit me inside. I

536
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: can stomach it because at least I lost being who

537
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah, and I felt like we were deprived

538
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: of that and our culture was never the same.

539
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: After We're gonna take a short break and we'll be

540
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: right back.

541
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: I can totally see that. Tell me this. I was

542
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 4: told by.

543
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: Will Herring about this great story about Pete Carroll because

544
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: he said, like Pete Carroll had this one guy he

545
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: just threw the ball to like the whole practice, like

546
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: he literally would just be throwing the football.

547
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 4: He's like maniacal about this.

548
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: And I guess before you guys played the Saints in

549
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: twenty ten playoffs, he was just saying, like nobody's picking

550
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 3: us because you guys were seven and nine seven nine,

551
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: and he was like, nobody's picking you guys, this, that

552
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: and the other. You're there, Yeah, I was out there, yes,

553
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: and he's just talking talking, He's like you know, anything

554
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: can happen when you have this sense of belief. Yes,

555
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: And he said he like launched the football and it

556
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: like winning this basketball goal. Could you please explain this

557
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 3: story if you can remember it.

558
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember I don't remember that specifically, but I

559
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: remember a lot of things happening around that Okay, you

560
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: know where where you know, Pete had this belief right

561
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: that was like actually infectious, right, that you really could

562
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: believe anything was possible. And I mean we're seven and nine,

563
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: man like, and we just beat y'all like pretty bad. Yes,

564
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: we were getting blown out. We got blown up by

565
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: many teams that year, right, yeah, And he's just like

566
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: talking anything possible. We had and we had this like

567
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: a basketball hoop in our team meeting room, right, and

568
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: people are always like kind of shooting basket in and

569
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: kind of playing around, and he's he's possible, right, And

570
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: he just throws a football, right, and its just like

571
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: it goes into the hope and we're like, oh, right,

572
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: and you know, lo and behold we are positioned perfectly

573
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: to play you guys in the game. Yeah, right. You

574
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: know it's funny about that play the seventeen power the

575
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: power play with marsh we weren't even gonna run the play.

576
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: I messed that that play up the entire week, Like,

577
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: mind you, I'm a rookie. I don't even know what

578
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm literally asking the left guard, Hey, what

579
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: do I do? Every single time? I'm one of those.

580
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Really we're not always, but like seven, it was like,

581
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: look the way they're kind of lining up to it,

582
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: like it's motions. We didn't really know what we're exactly

583
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: we're going to get. So he said, OK, so we

584
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: practice it with like maybe three or four different looks, right,

585
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: and like the system I came from, it was like

586
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: you kind of like you count from the accounting system,

587
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: you count from the mic, you kind of count your

588
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: way back. We're like, oh, if they motion this way

589
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: and we got to do this, and then you guys

590
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: have like this bare look that you guys would jump into. Yeah,

591
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, so you know it's like, oh, you guys

592
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: jump to the bear, you lose the left guard, you know,

593
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: you end up on the fore I by yourself. So

594
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what was going to happen, you know.

595
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, the power play is amazing,

596
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: particularly when you're a zone team because oftentimes people run

597
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: left and right right when you were zoning like you

598
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: know the line of kind of like the defensive linement,

599
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: like get off the ball a little bit. They're prepared

600
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: to go more lateral as opposed to like forward right,

601
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: And like Marsham's begging for the play, He's like telling

602
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: everybody how much he loves to play throughout the entire week.

603
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: And it's four minute oh and we're out there like

604
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: trying to finish the game and they called it in

605
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: My heart is beating out of my chest. I'm like,

606
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: oh man, what's going to happen? And we block it

607
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: up kind of sort of.

608
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't great at all.

609
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: It was not great at all. It was not great, right,

610
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: But I mean that just showed you all special. Martshawn

611
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: is Yeah, right, I.

612
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: Think we got it. Yeah, I think we got to play.

613
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: Can we can we see that play?

614
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: Who was it? Guy? Step on it? It wasn't us,

615
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: Tracy Porter.

616
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: Oh man, it was it was a real one. I

617
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: was around the whole time I was watching.

618
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm not.

619
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: Loaf, Yeah, I mean.

620
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: Beacause I saw like eight guys like kind of had

621
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: the whole time.

622
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: Where is this?

623
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 4: And I was just around it. We do not show

624
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: this place.

625
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: Maybe we don't have it. I don't know.

626
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: Beast mode is is like it was funny, like it's

627
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: it's funny looking back on it because I was there

628
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: when because I think before that he was just Marshawn Lynch.

629
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: Then after that he became be smug man.

630
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Who else is going to dive into the end zone

631
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: grabbing their crotch like that.

632
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Man, the one and only.

633
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: That man is one one. He's one of one. There's

634
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: nobody like him.

635
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that play literally made me hate Seattle.

636
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: I made a lot of people hate Seattle.

637
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: It made me Seattle. I thought it was a great

638
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: and I got to give you guys a lot of credit.

639
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: Because I thought it was great.

640
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: I was just like, Yo, the twelfth Man is a

641
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: real thing out there the home crowd, and it's like

642
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: this one guy that when you always come out of

643
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: the visitor's locker room, it's just one guy that.

644
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, here it is right now.

645
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, ready at look at me. I'm just trying to survive.

646
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Oh you let me get some volume, get out here.

647
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Columbus, I left guard, got a hold of you.

648
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 2: Oh my crotch. I mean it was blocked up.

649
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: Not that great? Is that that great? Man?

650
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: It was? I watched this every year and every time

651
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: I see Rome, I just I just I just shake

652
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: my head. Come on, Rome, get it wrong.

653
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Speaker 3: Well, at that point I looked up and it was

654
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Speaker 3: like three guys out there. I'm like, dude, that guy

655
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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

656
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: How did you even touch him?

657
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: I touched his cleat says he was jumping in.

658
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: Oh that again?

659
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, that was that?

660
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: What he really taking stabs right now? Heme on, I

661
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: got Thomas. All right, let's let's let's do another pivot.

662
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this NFL contract that you signed.

663
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: You were one of the first guys to do first, okay,

664
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Speaker 2: the first guy to do the contract back in twenty sixteen,

665
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: and it was for It was a one year deal

666
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: worth five million, and the contract didn't offer I don't know.

667
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 4: I sorry, I thought you're talking about another one.

668
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Speaker 1: I apologize. Are you're talking about the one I signed

669
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Speaker 1: with Denver?

670
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, yeah, yes, sir. So you signed a one year,

671
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: five year.

672
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Speaker 1: It was a it was a one year with a

673
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: four year option.

674
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with the four year option.

675
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: But there were no guarantees, no guarantees for the for

676
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Speaker 1: the year one. Yeah.

677
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, why talk talk a little bit about how you

678
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: you you kind of came to that and how you

679
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: negotiated your contract without like having the standard NFL sports agent.

680
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there was a lot of moving parts

681
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: in the background, okay, right, And the reason that I

682
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: decided to represent myself was actually maybe pretty unique to

683
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: most people. You know. People talk about, you know, things

684
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Speaker 1: that they want in life and things that they potentially

685
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Speaker 1: want to accomplish, you know. And something that I've always

686
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: wanted was to like learn business, yeah, right, to actually

687
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: like be somewhat in the corporate world, right, and to

688
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: like have a level of agency over my life. So

689
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: at the time, I had a lot of challenges in

690
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: regards to what the agent's role is, particularly with the player,

691
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Speaker 1: And I told myself, I said, well, what would it

692
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: look like if I decide to negotia in my own contract, right, me,

693
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: not knowing the dynamics of how to reach out to

694
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: gms and owners, what would it look like for me

695
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: to actually like put myself on the line, put my

696
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: own career on the line, and negotiate that negotiate that

697
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: for myself. Now, I had a couple of issues surrounding

698
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Speaker 1: that I was injured. I was coming off of a shoulder,

699
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: and I am meeting teams, and a lot of them

700
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out, like you've been hurt, you've

701
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: been up and down, like you have red flags that

702
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: are associated with you. So we're not necessarily sure if

703
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Speaker 1: you can come in and actually like play for even

704
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: close to a full year. And I have to be

705
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: very honest with myself in terms of, like, well, that

706
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: is a concern, right. Anytime you're talking about millions of

707
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: dollars and that transference right of wealth, then it better

708
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: be serious, right. So Number one, I wanted the opportunity

709
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Speaker 1: to negotiate for myself, to like have my own agency.

710
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Number Two, I had to be very honest with what

711
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: my perspective was of the market and how the market

712
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: viewed me overall. So I went on this tour and

713
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted as many shots at back to meet

714
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: people and to actually experience that, right. But what I

715
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: did not expect was that negotiating is more of an

716
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: art rather than the science, and that if you don't

717
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: own pieces of the media, perception can be reality. And

718
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I think there were multiple parties that were not interested

719
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: in a player, a black player, that having legitimate agency

720
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Speaker 1: in terms of being able to advocate and represent themselves.

721
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Speaker 1: And the message that I was trying to share with

722
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: people is, look, I know that some people need agents,

723
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: they need people to work on their behalf. But like,

724
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: let's not get that twisted. Let's not forget right that

725
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: we also have intelligence on the field as well.

726
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely right.

727
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: The ability to understand multiple moving parts and variables in

728
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: a second is a form of spatial intelligence that most

729
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: people in the world don't have. So what would it

730
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: look like for me to then take this intelligent and

731
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: have it applied so across the board, I wasn't seeing

732
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: the numbers that I expected. For whatever reason, I had

733
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: people in the media which wanted to demoralize my efforts, right,

734
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: and I had to accept that. Right. So I was

735
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: probably looking at being paid in other places two three

736
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: million dollars just on a one year proven deal, And

737
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I say, you know what, the way this contract is structured,

738
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Speaker 1: if I just make it to throughout the off season,

739
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Speaker 1: I'll get one million. If I make it to training camp,

740
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: I'll get another two to three million. Then if I

741
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: play for the year, there's essentially a game bonus which

742
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: would get me actually eight million to eight million dollars,

743
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: and my thesis was right, and at the end of

744
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: the year I was eight million dollars.

745
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: Richard always bet on me. I'll like it.

746
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it.

747
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of bet and on me, you did something again.

748
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: You were a pioneer. So you go to Carolina, both

749
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: of our former teams.

750
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: Beautiful city, by the way, an incredible organization.

751
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

752
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

753
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: I live in Charlotte too.

754
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's better than Alabama. It's nice, man,

755
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: Charlotte is nice though.

756
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: It is nice. It is real nice. It's super clean.

757
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: It's the financial capital of the South. Yeah, it's like

758
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: the New York of the South. That's what I call it.

759
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: But uh, you go to you go to Carolina and

760
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: you structure your contract again, but you do it in bitcoin.

761
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Why bitcoin? Talk a little bit more about like why

762
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: and how that thought even came to be to try

763
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: to get your money in bigcoin in sead of actual funds. Yeah,

764
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: you like the standard, traditional standard or traditional way.

765
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna try my best, you know, But look,

766
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: I think people think about bitcoin a certain way, right

767
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: and everybody trying to figure out what biitcoin is and

768
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: why it's essentially important. And you know, the way I

769
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: look at it, like, just imagine for a moment, right

770
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: that you are on the football field and you're playing

771
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: in the game, and you're on the offense, and you

772
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: are moving into any enemy territory and you're on the

773
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: thirty and you're advancing towards the twenty and now you're

774
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: on the ten and you are finally in the red zone,

775
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: and the referees decide to move the goal post on you. Okay, now,

776
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: mind you, it's allowed. The game was on the line,

777
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: every single effort that you have to muster up everything

778
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: you possibly need. It's fourth quarter, you're doing everything right

779
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: and you're advancing again, and then the referees move the

780
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: goal post on you. Again. This is inflation. Yeah, this

781
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: is actual inflation. This is people working their entire lives,

782
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: doing everything right, and they're getting contracts and they're getting salaries,

783
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: and the more they get paid, the more they're expenses

784
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: and the things they want most in life run away

785
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: from them. And this is why bitcoin is so powerful.

786
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: Most portfolio managers have a mandate, we need to preserve

787
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: your purchasing power. But with bitcoin and the math in

788
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: the data that we've seen with it, it's a way

789
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: to grow your purchasing power. And what I saw back

790
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: then was the asset classes moving anywhere between two hundred

791
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: and four hundred percent a year. So let's just say

792
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: I was wrong and it moved to ten twenty percent

793
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: a year. Well, that definitely outplaces the rate of inflation.

794
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: So all I need to do is be a little

795
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: bit right, right, right, I didn't need to hit this

796
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: huge home run two hundred fur hundred percent in a year.

797
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: And all I need to also believe is that the

798
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: money that we see, the US dollar right is going

799
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: to continue to be decoupled. For morality, what does that mean?

800
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: In other words, that will be continued to be debased.

801
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Most people like look at their assets, but they don't

802
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: think about their currency risk. They don't think about that.

803
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: They just say, Okay, well if I get this asset

804
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: and I do this under this and it'll grow. That's

805
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: not always the truth. Bitcoin is proved that it is

806
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: the most powerful asset in the world. At least it's

807
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: trending in that direction. Yeah, and I have a friend

808
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: and he says this, He says there is no second

809
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: best when it comes to the asset class. So look,

810
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm not giving financial advice, but I will give life advice,

811
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: right and at this current point have on me. The

812
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: price of bitcoin is one hundred and seven thousand dollars,

813
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: so the price of building astronomical wealth for the rest

814
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: of your life. And this is being proven by many

815
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: different institutional managers across the board. It's one bitcoin for

816
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven thousand dollars. That's the price. And

817
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it's a price and a risk that I'm constantly willing

818
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: to take over and over, and I'm still buying.

819
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: And you said the bigcoin gives you a excuse me,

820
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: you said, the bitcoin gives you a sense of freedom,

821
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: your free from financial institutions.

822
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Well, not just a sense of freedom, that is one.

823
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: So using that last example that I mentioned, the goal

824
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: right of the game here is to keep you inside

825
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: the game. The goal is not for you to win.

826
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: So we consider systematically how all of these things work together.

827
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: You'll keep striving and you keep trying to earn, and

828
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you're never able to catch up. But what are you

829
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: losing your most important resource, which is your time. You

830
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: don't get that time back, you never get it back.

831
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: How many people right now are doing everything they need

832
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: to do, investing in pensions, doing everything, and they look up,

833
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: they're fifty sixty years old and their pensions cannot even

834
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: afford their cost of living.

835
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: It's a real thing.

836
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: That's most of America. So what is our option? We

837
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: need to look forward into the Futureoin It's bitcoin, That's

838
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: how I see it. I don't want to take away

839
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: from anybody's other perspective. When I decided to do that,

840
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: my mindset was this, remember how we should go to

841
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: those imposes rookie symposals. Yeah, right, And every year in

842
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: the NFL and NFLPA, they'll send somebody over and they'll

843
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: try to talk to you about wealth management and not

844
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: losing your money. And you know there's a stigma that

845
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, players come to all this money even though

846
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: we're super young, right, and they don't know how to

847
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: manage it, right. And I had a thought to myself

848
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: before I made that decision. I said, what if we

849
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: can destroy generational poverty? What if that was possible? And

850
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: what if it was so easy that all you need

851
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: to do was to have a phone and you cook,

852
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: buy you don't need a financial advisor. You didn't need

853
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: a money manager to push you into a bunch of things,

854
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of instruments, fixed income bonds, all these type

855
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: of things which don't outpace inflation. I wish are literally

856
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: just slowing down how much you're purchasing power not helping you.

857
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: But what if it was as simple as buying bitcoin,

858
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: holding it and not doing anything with it. And guess

859
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: what it is? And this is a problem that I

860
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: think can be easily solved right for many of us

861
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: who come from very challenging backgrounds, who don't have access

862
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: to wealth, who aren't going to Goldman and Morgan Stanley.

863
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: How is it? How is it that by me just

864
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: putting money into bitcoin, I have outperformed people from Golden

865
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: all these guys in New York, all these guys all

866
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: over the world, global asset managers, that I've outperformed them

867
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: just by holding an asset. Don't have a finance degree,

868
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: don't have an economics degree. It's that simple. We've never

869
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: seen anything like this ever, we may never ever see

870
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: it again.

871
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: We'll be back in a minute. So if I wanted to,

872
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: can you make your own bitcoin?

873
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: You can make your own meme?

874
00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: Coin.

875
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: People make their own meme coins and own cryptos. Yes, right,

876
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: yes that is correct, but there's nothing like bitcoin, agreed, So.

877
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: Bitcoin is the standard. It's like the gold bar. I'm

878
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: just trying to like who made the bitcoin? Like who

879
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: I mean, because there's a bunch of them out They're.

880
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 4: Correct, it's only so many and there will never be

881
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: any more.

882
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: That's what makes bitcoin different than so many others, like

883
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: ethereum and a few others that it's like bazillion of those.

884
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: Bitcoin is down to a select few, and so now

885
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 3: that because it's only so owned by so many, there's

886
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: only so many, it makes them valuable and they're actually

887
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: the standard in which all of them others are kind

888
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: of based upon.

889
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Is that then that's a good point. Right, So ultimately,

890
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: why do people see gold as valuable? So right now

891
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: gold is at I think it's went up to about

892
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: sixty five percent right now gold and they see it

893
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: as valuable because number one, it's it's a global asset. Two,

894
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: it has some function of scarcity, and three it's accepted

895
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: and approved from the citizen level tonation states, et cetera. Yep, right,

896
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: and bitcoin has all those elements, right, is that it

897
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: has a global value, it's scarce just like you mentioned,

898
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: yep right, it's immutable, meaning you can't go in and

899
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: change ultimately how it works. Yep right.

900
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: That was the first real thing that everybody loved about

901
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: bitcoin was the actual technology behind it.

902
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: The oh my gosh, what's the name of it?

903
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, you can't remember, uh, keep talking.

904
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: It was like it was like.

905
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: The cryptic the language behind the photography.

906
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

907
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that was the first thing that everybody loved

908
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: about it was that like you knew exactly because like

909
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: sometimes when dollars are changed hand from hand, you can

910
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 3: lose track from what hand it got changed from. With crypto,

911
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: it has the blockchain, thank you. That's the word in

912
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: my mind, the blockchain piece of it. So it literally

913
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: tells you exactly what it is, and you can't go

914
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: in there and change it, like you can't.

915
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 1: Change it, right. And I think the issue is that

916
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: even though we have dollar accounts, right, you can look

917
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: on your bank right now and you can look in

918
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: and so I have X amount of money, But the

919
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: question is do you really own that money? Right? Because

920
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: in most cases, you know, banks are taking it and

921
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: they're lending, they're lending it. Right. So the question about

922
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: what money is right is I think it's quite perplexing

923
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: because I think we need to constantly redefine money and

924
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: ask ourselves what is our relationship with the money, because

925
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: that ultimately dictates like how you see the rest of

926
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: the world, that's how our society works. Yes, right, And

927
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I think in most cases, you actually own the bitcoin,

928
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: Like you cannot say, like, look, I have a real

929
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: estate property, right, we're actually getting ready to sell it,

930
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: right to buy more bitcoin, But we own this house.

931
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: But like I don't actually own it, right because let's

932
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: say I stop paying my taxes or whatever, right, like

933
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: it can be taken away from me. Right. So when

934
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: we think about the concept of sovereignty, right, that's something

935
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: which is so foreign to people. Where I actually own something,

936
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: it's not being right, really hypothecated. It's not being taken away.

937
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at credit. I'm actually looking at something

938
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: of value that's mine and cannot be taken away from me,

939
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: that I can pass down forever to my children and those

940
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: after and those after. And the most powerful part about it,

941
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: it's code. It's cold that everybody has seen as valuable,

942
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: and that's amazing.

943
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: You know what else is amazing was that physical transformations. Okay, yeah,

944
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: so I don't remember this version of you at all.

945
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: I remember you being a lot more just attacking foods,

946
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: pouncing on foods, destroying cats, coming off the line far

947
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: and off. Talk about this physical transformation that you've gone through,

948
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: with the way you've lost from your playing weight to

949
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: where you are currently right now.

950
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't even know where to start. You know,

951
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: they say that freedom isn't the absence of struggle, but

952
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: it's the presence of truth. And the beauty of leaving

953
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: the NFL has been that I've actually been able to

954
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: explore what truth is, what my truth is, the truth

955
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: of where I come from, the truth of who I am,

956
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: what my interests are, Like who I am? Who am

957
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: I outside of this game? You know? The hard part

958
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: for me is like when you play offensive line, you're

959
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: always thinking about four other people and what our roles are.

960
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: And I remember leaving the game and it was the

961
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: first time I actually thought about myself, Like I wasn't

962
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: thinking about, Okay, how do I protect the quarterback or

963
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: how do I open this hole for the brunning back,

964
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: or like how's my guard doing right here? Was that

965
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: the first time I actually thought about myself and I

966
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: had to ask myself a very hard question, like who

967
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: am I? So I'm asking myself this question I just got.

968
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if I was done with football, and

969
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sitting with my son. He's in the pool.

970
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 1: We had to pull instructor over and now he's learning

971
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: how to swim. He's two years old at the time,

972
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: and anytime I would get out the pool, he would

973
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: just start crying. He saw me as the sense of

974
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: security for him. And I'm on this on and off

975
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: this phone, and I'm talking to a couple of teams

976
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: and asking me if I want to play, and you know,

977
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: and how much we're talking about all of this, and

978
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: I thought back to my own life. You know, my

979
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: father he died brutally at that when I was three

980
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: years old, so I don't have a great memory of him,

981
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: you know. And the thing about him was that I

982
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: don't remember his voice, but I remember the silence which

983
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: emanated from it. I remember him not more in him

984
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: not being there, and like it's impact. So as all

985
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: these things are going on, it was actually the first

986
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: time I had thought about my father and long time,

987
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at my son, and as the universe

988
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: has it, the universe will ask you a very important question.

989
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: So while my father wasn't there in my life, I

990
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: see my son. He's becking and crying out for me.

991
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm asking myself, well, now I have the opportunity to

992
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: be here for him. But I can't let this thing go.

993
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: I can't let football go. I can't let the security,

994
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: the money, and all the things which come with it.

995
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: And it comes out of the pool. And I'm thinking

996
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: about it all day, and I sit down and I

997
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: look for inspiration, and I open up the Bible and

998
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm reading through Deuteronomy. Right. I was going back and

999
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: forth between Exodus and there's this leader, and this leader

1000
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: I saw many of his people in hardship, his family

1001
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: in hardship, and he decides that there's more to it

1002
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: than this current situation. And I'm reading this and I'm

1003
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: having some similar problems and issues in terms of like

1004
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: where I want to leave my own family. And something

1005
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: very important happened. This leader, Moses is his name. By

1006
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: the way, he goes up to this mountain and he

1007
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: doesn't eat for or a drink for forty days. And

1008
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: I looked at my wife and I asked her. I said,

1009
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: do you think it's possible, really possible, for a man

1010
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: not to eat for forty days.

1011
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, yeah, No, she didn't say yeah, did

1012
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: she She.

1013
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: Did, okay, And I'm not believing it. I said, no, no, seriously,

1014
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: do you actually believe this happened in the Bible that

1015
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: a man felt that he had to connect with God

1016
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: in such a way that he could not eat or

1017
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: drink for forty days? You think this happened. She's like,

1018
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: I think it happened. And I looked at her and

1019
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not gonna eat forty days. And she says, now,

1020
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: mind you, she's pregnant. You gotta kid already. She's like okay.

1021
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: And I stopped eating. And it wasn't like, hey, I

1022
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: I stopped eating right there, right then and there. I

1023
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: wasn't like, let me, let me start to work my

1024
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: way down and like start to pull carbs away one

1025
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: meal a day. Why I stopped right then and there?

1026
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, And and I got to tell you a

1027
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: lot of people ask me how I did it, and

1028
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: I would say, there is something. There is a prayer

1029
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: so powerful that you will decide to not eat or drink.

1030
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: In my first case, it was me not eating and

1031
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: I did it again. I've also done somewhere I don't

1032
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: have water at all.

1033
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 4: For how many days did you go without water?

1034
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: I've done four days. But my goal is to get

1035
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: to twenty one days in my lifetimes, to go no water,

1036
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: no food for twenty one days. That's my goal, all right.

1037
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 4: I mean I was going to ask about the forty

1038
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 4: day fast that was? That was real it all up?

1039
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah you did. I appreciate you taking us on that journey.

1040
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: I've read that story in the Bible as well, and

1041
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: it's it didn't mean I wanted to try it.

1042
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 4: You know, I half fast before.

1043
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: The most I've done is four days, and uh, but

1044
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 3: I drank water.

1045
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 4: I just didn't eat and real, yeah, like I didn't

1046
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 4: want to try. I didn't know that's where he got

1047
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 4: that from.

1048
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm very taken back by that.

1049
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, I got to tell you, man, it's uh,

1050
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, my understanding of reality, particularly in that phase

1051
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: when you go that deeply, is it's different.

1052
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: Man.

1053
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: You see things for what they are. You know, this

1054
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: world's constantly pulling at you, telling you who you are

1055
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: and categorizing you. You're consuming and it's trying to tell

1056
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: you how to be angry. But I'll tell you when

1057
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: you get to day twenty one of the fast. Let's

1058
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: say you have an issue with your wife, whoever, it

1059
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. With your kids, You're worry about your kids

1060
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: and all this type of stuff doesn't exist. You see

1061
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: what's real? Yeah, I got to I was looking at

1062
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: my skin and I'm like, oh, well, I'm realizing this

1063
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: is just a shell who I am on the inside,

1064
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: my essence, my spirit, that's real. That's the thing you

1065
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: wish doesn't die. And I feel like it's an important

1066
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: question for me to ask, particularly with you know, my

1067
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: father you know is Oh I realized, Oh, we don't

1068
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: just die. There is something much more beyond this physical experience.

1069
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: I want to know about Mount Rushmore. So this is

1070
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: all that we asked all our guests. Okay Mount Rushmore question?

1071
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Right? All right?

1072
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: You are an exceptional young man. You have lived this

1073
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: life that you found yourself in the fasting and football

1074
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: and bitcoin. How much weight have you lost and everything?

1075
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: Over one hundred pounds? I was actually down to one

1076
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty pounds. Oh, step I know my wife

1077
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: has giving me a look like I don't know about

1078
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: this one.

1079
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, no, that was good and that was good

1080
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: with But you get four picks of people that have

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Speaker 2: had that have given influence on you, that have helped

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Speaker 2: shape mold you into the man you are today.

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Speaker 4: You get four picks. Who would those four people be?

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Speaker 1: Four people? Yes? Sorry, four people wouldn't do it justice, man,

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Speaker 1: I'll try. My first pick is my wife. She is challenged,

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Speaker 1: encouraged and stood aside with my ego and all of

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Speaker 1: my issues and my radicalness.

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Speaker 3: You know what you do seem radical? You do come

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Speaker 3: across his radical not eating your dream.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get to forty days. Imagine my wife, man,

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Speaker 1: she gives me every single day, right. So she is amazing.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I love that she is my best friend, my best encourager.

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Speaker 4: She is.

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Speaker 1: A lion and a lamb. I get both. I get

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Speaker 1: her tenacity, but I also get this gentleness from her

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Speaker 1: that I've always needed in life. My second pick would

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Speaker 1: be my oldest son. He forced me into dealing with

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Speaker 1: moving on from the phase of the game that I

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Speaker 1: thought I could never leave. You know, he encouraged me

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Speaker 1: and challenged me. My second would be my second son.

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Speaker 1: His name's Exodus.

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Speaker 4: Oh nice, all right, So it's your first son's name.

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Speaker 1: Cairo Okay, Cairo Bassie okum. So he holds he holds

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Speaker 1: the family name. I always holds the family name. So

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Speaker 1: he has. We actually have many names. I can get

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Speaker 1: to it another time. But my second one, Exodus, he

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Speaker 1: stretches me the most. I mean, this kid has made

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Speaker 1: adults more than anything than ever before. I love him

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Speaker 1: for that. My third is my baby girl, my first girl.

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Speaker 1: She has the name of my mother and also my

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Speaker 1: grandmother on my father's side, you know, but also the temperament.

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Speaker 1: She's also she's given me way too many slaps in

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Speaker 1: my life. She's two years old. Her sign of love

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Speaker 1: is a slap, so she messes with yeah and then

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Speaker 1: you know, I know that. I know. I said four,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna add one more. Another very important person

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Speaker 1: for me has been one of my offensive line coaches,

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Speaker 1: Tom Cable. Oh yeah, Tom is a person that I've

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Speaker 1: been able to connect with and be very honest with

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Speaker 1: in terms of like who I am. You know, honesty

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00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: is a very difficult thing in the NFL because you

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Speaker 1: want to be straightforward about who you are and you're

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Speaker 1: feeling something, but that could mean your job. That can

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Speaker 1: mean you're not focused, you know. And Tom was the

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Speaker 1: one that always created an environment for me to be

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Speaker 1: very honest with who I am and to get out

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Speaker 1: my head sometimes, you know, but also achieve the fullness

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Speaker 1: of who I am. So he's always kind of created

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Speaker 1: a space for me. So that's my uh. I wrote

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Speaker 1: my mount rushmore for sure.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Hey, I like you.

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00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: I like what was that? That's a slap.

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00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: I like, I've figured you were a deep guy.

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Speaker 3: You're way deeper than than the twelve foot pool, way

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00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: deeper than that. And it's appreciated. And I hope you

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Speaker 3: get that appreciation in love from your your wife, your family,

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Speaker 3: your friends, and continue.

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Speaker 4: On this journey. I mean, you are a water snob

1141
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: and I can't.

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00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: We'll finish this guy over.

1143
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: Them some water from Walmart and he was like, nah,

1144
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: I need your body is a temple man.

1145
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: My water got to.

1146
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: Come from the ocean and the springs, and the house.

1147
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: Got to be out of a glass. And I was like, oh,

1148
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 3: you like alkaline water. Well, actually I went through that phase.

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Speaker 1: I'm a water enthusiast.

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Speaker 3: Water enthusiast is the correct term, water enthusiasts, Bitcoin pioneer,

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 3: and what's the water of choice right now?

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00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Watermelon?

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Speaker 4: Watermelon?

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00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: At this point I'm only just eating a bunch of waters.

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: Turk your walk. But I'm on a journey, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: on a journey.

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00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 3: This is a real thing, all right? Man, Well Russell Man,

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00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: thank you so much, man for joy us. Man, Thank

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00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: you guys blessing us with your time.

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Speaker 1: Man, Can I say one more thing? I want to

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00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: thank you guys. You know, I spent a long time

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Speaker 1: since I've actually spoken to the media and spoken to

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Speaker 1: people about this journey and more personally, and I think

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00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing is amazing. I think people

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: being able to share not just a man with a

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00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: helmet on, but the man behind the helmet and really

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00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: their families is an incredible gift. And I'm wishing you

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00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: guys much rest right that you also get the chance

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00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: to sit back, take this and enjoy it. On the

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00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: other end, I know you guys are probably pumping different

1172
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: things out and you guests have to guess, but I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate this and thank you guys.

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00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: So we would talk to you all day, but our

1175
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: producers like kick them off. We've got somebody else, So

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Speaker 2: we just trying to were just trying to I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to talk now. No, I received that. We

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: appreciate that, and it's always about just yeah, man, we

1179
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: want to hear about what our other brotherren are doing.

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: You know, even though we're not no longer playing the game,

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00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: we know we there is life after football, So we're

1182
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: just trying to see what everyone's doing, man, and just

1183
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: give him that shout and just show them some love.

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Speaker 1: You guys, we're fraternity.

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely come back, all right, we'll come back. Come back

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00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: skinnier though, Stay like that. You're good.

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00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm good with this. I'm good.

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: I like the Russell this way, like Big Luth, little Luthor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Big Luther.

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Speaker 2: Big Russell's like too, Little Russell ain't gonna.

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Speaker 1: Do nothing, thank you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Doubt man.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, anywhere you pick up your podcast, whether it's iHeartRadio,

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00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: app or Apple podcasts, make sure you always tune in

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Speaker 3: and check us out, man, whether like, share, subscribe, leave

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Speaker 3: a couple of comments.

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Speaker 4: Peanut loves to answer those, and also.

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Speaker 3: Check us out on the NFL pages the NFL's YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Channel dang it, I said pages cool, get us out here.

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Speaker 2: I'm Penut, just Roman. That is Russell, And this is

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Speaker 2: the NFL Player's Second Act podcast and we are out

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Speaker 2: a