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Speaker 1: You're listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair Fisher.

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Speaker 1: Stevens and I were recently brought close together by one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest artists of the twentieth century, Philip Gustin,

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Speaker 1: and one of the greatest footballers, David Beckham. A few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, he was in the River Cafe with the

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Speaker 1: producers of Beckham, the series he directed for Netflix. We

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Speaker 1: agreed to have breakfast at my house. A half hour

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Speaker 1: turned into more than an hour as we talked about Gustam,

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Speaker 1: architecture we lived in, and food we cooked. We agreed

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Speaker 1: we would continue the conversation on Ruthie's Table four when

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Speaker 1: I came to New York. So here we are at

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Speaker 1: this time in Fisher's house, connected through a love of Beckham, food, film,

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Speaker 1: and Gustam and each other. Life is good. So here

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Speaker 1: we are. Do you know that we asked you to

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Speaker 1: choose a recipe, yes, which is for pumpkin soup. I

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Speaker 1: have to say that this soup is amazing because it's

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Speaker 1: so thick carneada with a fork. It's just and it

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Speaker 1: really is. You'll see it's just pumpkin and you can

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Speaker 1: have it with chicken stock or vegetable stock.

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Speaker 2: So the pumpkin soup. This one serves six, and we

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Speaker 2: start with three tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil River

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Speaker 2: Cafe olive oil. I prefer plus extra for the crostini

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Speaker 2: and for serving fifty grams of unsalted butter. Make it

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Speaker 2: organic butter. If you can't, then we use two cloves

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Speaker 2: of garlic, peeled and finely chopped. Wash your hands afterwards,

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Speaker 2: a small bunch of fresh marsh room leaves. And then

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Speaker 2: because it's a British restaurant, we'll say kilograms and grams,

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Speaker 2: but one point five kilograms. Yeah, no, it's good. But

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Speaker 2: what is one point five kilograms?

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Speaker 1: It's about two and a half pounds. Well, two polf

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Speaker 1: pounds is a kilo, so be about three pounds.

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Speaker 2: Three pounds, so one point five kilograms roughly three pounds

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Speaker 2: of pumpkin peeled, seeded, and dice. Two hundred grams of

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Speaker 2: new potatoes peeled and cubed, could be we should keep

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Speaker 2: them white potatoes, right, new potatoes. Two hundred grams of

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Speaker 2: new potatoes, peeled and cubed. Two dried red chilies crumbled.

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Speaker 2: I love making a little spice. Love chilies one liter

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Speaker 2: of chicken stock or vegetable stock, six slices of chibata bread,

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Speaker 2: one garlic clove peeled in half, so not the finely

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Speaker 2: chopped but the bread with freshly grated parmesan. Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: sounds so good. So you're gonna heat the extra virgin

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Speaker 2: olive oil and butter in a sauce pan and gently

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Speaker 2: fry the chopped garlic with the Marjorum leaves until soft.

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Speaker 2: Add the pumpkin and potatoes and continue to cook for

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Speaker 2: sea salt and black pepper, not too much salt. Pouring

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Speaker 2: enough stock just to cover the pumpkin. Bring to the boil,

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Speaker 2: and then turn down the heat and simmer for twenty

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Speaker 2: to twenty five minutes, or until the pumpkin is tender,

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Speaker 2: adding more stock if necessary to keep the pumpkin covered.

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Speaker 2: So you'll have to keep checking.

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Speaker 1: On it because you don't want it watery. So you

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Speaker 1: want just enough to the pumpkin.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, okay, that's important. Strain about a third of

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Speaker 2: the stock from the pumpkin and set it aside. Pour

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Speaker 2: the contents of the pan into a food processor and pulse. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and pulse it though, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because you want it thick, really thick. You don't want

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Speaker 2: No, it's like a great meal. Return to the saucepan

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Speaker 2: and add the strained off stock plus any remaining stock.

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Speaker 2: Check for seasoning, so if you need a little more salt,

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Speaker 2: soup will be very thick. Then reheat gently for serving.

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Speaker 2: By the way, for the crostini. Toast the slices of chibata.

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Speaker 2: Then rub with the garlic calves and drizzle over extra

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Speaker 2: virgin River Cafe olive oil. You serve the soup with

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Speaker 2: make this omit the chibata crostini. I prefer the cannellini

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Speaker 1: Beans. And when you read that recipe, it is just

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Speaker 1: pure potatoes, pumpkins and some you know.

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Speaker 2: Healthy, healthy, and you'll be full and you don't need

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Speaker 1: It's not expensive if you're thinking, especially after Halloween, except

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Speaker 1: for the olive oil. River Cafe this year is insane.

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Speaker 2: Why because because.

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Speaker 1: It was so hot this summer. I mean, there's hardly

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Speaker 1: So we have five estates in Tuscany that we buy

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Speaker 1: make the olive oil.

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Speaker 2: Are your wine producers you like the Italian the Tuscan wines?

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Speaker 1: our whole roots in the River Cafe were Tuscan and

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Speaker 1: when we started because Richard's family, my husband's family came

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Speaker 2: once I started making money, I would just go big

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Speaker 2: with food. Wine. I've blown a great portion of my respect.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think it's really interesting that people

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Speaker 1: Or that McCartney said that he thought wine was terrible

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, And I remember the first one of the

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Speaker 2: me to twenty one for my twenty first birthday, and

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Speaker 2: was doing a play at Williamstown. Arthur Miller's play I

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Speaker 2: was playing Arthur Young Arthur Miller is called American Clock.

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Speaker 1: It was about Arthur Miller.

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Speaker 2: we drink incredible wine together. Still, so that was when

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Speaker 1: Do you think back so you were you started acting?

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Speaker 1: you were you ever on your own in a place

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Speaker 1: The first question is what was your college? Did you

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Speaker 1: I after high school?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I dropped out of high school. I started auditioning

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Speaker 2: at like fifteen for shows and plays. I got off

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Speaker 2: then I started working as a busboy in two restaurants

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Speaker 2: eating out. Yeah, and and and I. While in high school,

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Speaker 1: Do you think about food and one did they?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, no, because I just was. Now

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Speaker 1: No did a teacher in a restaurant I was at peep.

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Speaker 1: River Cafe is that most Americans have at one time

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Speaker 2: It gave me such respect for waiters and bus boys.

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Speaker 2: Some of the things that I saw in those kitchens,

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Speaker 1: I mean anger and bullying.

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Speaker 2: I said, My senior year in high school, I did

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Speaker 2: like two months and I was like, forget it. I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to work. My Mom's like, okay, you might

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Speaker 2: as well. You're making more money than me. And I

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Speaker 2: was auditioning and studying acting very seriously. And then I

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Speaker 2: I bumped into him and he's like, hey, man, I'm

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Speaker 2: in this play. It's maybe moving to Broadway and I

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Speaker 2: just got a bigger play and I'm leaving. I'll get

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Speaker 2: the audition to replace him, and the play was called

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Speaker 2: Torch Song Trilogy, and I got the job nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 2: It was in a little theater and Sheridan Square. It

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Speaker 2: was kind of a revolutionary gay play by Harvey Firestein.

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Speaker 2: was in a play called Brighton Beach Memoirs that and

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Speaker 2: he was going to leave that, and then he got

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Speaker 2: I replaced him in that.

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Speaker 1: But what about when you were directing your decision? Isn't

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Brooklyn, Fort Green, Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: So Maryland and my mother shared a space we lived

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Speaker 2: in a loft and my mom was dating an actor,

435
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: well a matre d but he was trying to be

436
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: an actor and she ended up, Yeah, she ended up

437
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: working as the co check at his restaurant. The restaurant, Yeah,

438
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: it was called Charlie's. It was a very famous theater restaurant.

439
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: Forty now it was called Sam's, or it's called Sam

440
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: still there. And we had trouble paying the payments. So

441
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: the acting school that he studied in rented the loft

442
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: and built a stage in our living room in the

443
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 2: meatpacking So I'd come home and there'd be acting class

444
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: in my house, which is how I got into business,

445
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: because I had a stage in our living room.

446
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so she was painting or working, she

447
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: was painting. What did you eat do you remember as.

448
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: A kid, Well, so I have crazy stories.

449
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember the food you ate?

450
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? The food wasn't much. It wasn't much exciting. I

451
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: remember when we moved to New York. What was so

452
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: exciting was the food because my mom's boyfriend took us

453
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: to Chinatown and then she'd show up with a bushel

454
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: of blue crabs and we'd boil the crabs and eating

455
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: all these exotic foods, Vietnamese foe. I remember discovering that

456
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: at thirteen years old, and I remember, you know, spicy

457
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: chicken wings and just all kinds of eating out, eating out, no, no,

458
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: no cooking, very few, very little cooking at home in

459
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: my house and a lot of it. Because the other

460
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: thing about New York, even though we lived in the

461
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: meatpacking there weren't many restaurants there. There were opportunities to

462
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: grab food pizza right, the pizza slices and all that.

463
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: And then my mother working at night. And when I

464
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: was fifteen and sixteen, we moved to child No. My

465
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: sisters ended up moving back to Chicago with my dad

466
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: because the life was too crazy. I stayed with my

467
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: mom in New York and her boyfriend. And then so

468
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: you ate out, Yeah, I ate out a lot my

469
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: whole high school years.

470
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Speaker 1: You get to choose the restaurant.

471
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: It was about a financial decision too sometimes, like you

472
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: know what was cheap right, a lot of Chinese. I

473
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: got to be so friendly with a Chinese restaurant on

474
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: sixth Avenue in sixteenth Street, that Gin's Kitchen that I

475
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: actually ate with the family two nights a week with

476
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: the lazy Susan and yeah, it was.

477
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: It different when you ate with them much yourself.

478
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was much of the food, well, the food

479
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: was the quantity of food and the selection of food

480
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: was I couldn't handle someone what they were eating. There

481
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: were things that I couldn't recognize, But then there was

482
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: some great stuff. Yeah.

483
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: Did you go back to visit your father in Chicago?

484
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: And was that for different that freezy experience difference?

485
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Then I became a snob, to be honest, I

486
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: became a snop because I had experienced these incredible delicacies

487
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: or and and by the way, you can eat brilliantly,

488
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: especially in New York in the seventies and eighties, for nothing.

489
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: Is that my daughter?

490
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: Who is that?

491
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: Come in? Tell me what what are you having for

492
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: dinner tonight?

493
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 3: Pasta meat boys and some zoutinly very good?

494
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: Have you eaten it already? Or if you just.

495
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: What do I cook? What's my specialty pasta Sundays? What?

496
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: What is the only thing I really make? Well?

497
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: Pancake?

498
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: So how good are my pancakes? Very?

499
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: Very what's good about are they? Are they thick pancakes?

500
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: I have to say I am in the worst cook

501
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: except for pancakes and pasta dishes, right.

502
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: Thanks to you. Yeah. Do you know why your mom

503
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: named you Fisher?

504
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because that wasn't my real name. Okay, my real name.

505
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: What was my real name, Stephen Fisher? Yes, when you joined,

506
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: when you joined the Actors' Union, that.

507
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: Was already somewhere named Stephen. Do you know that happened

508
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: to Michael Caine? He said that he was called Michael

509
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: something else and he called possession. He said, there's already

510
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: somebody named Michael something else. He's offered apart and they

511
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: said we need a last name.

512
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 5: We did.

513
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: The last name is sitting. He says he was sitting

514
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: in Leicester Square, or standing in Leicester Square the phone booth,

515
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: and he looked up and the Caine Mutiny was playing

516
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: in the cinema.

517
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: And that's how he spells it.

518
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: And that's why I became Michael Caine. You're thinking of,

519
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: you know Lawrence of Arabia called bikel Arabia or something.

520
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: Well, I was actually there used to be a sign

521
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: for years in Brooklyn and it said Fisher Dash Stevens Paints.

522
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: It was a store and that's when I got the

523
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: idea I'll just reverse it. But my Dad always called

524
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: me fish. Everybody called me fish, so I was always fish.

525
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Not your sister though.

526
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: No.

527
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: If you like listening to Ruthie's Table four, would you

528
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: please make sure to rate and review the podcast on

529
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,600
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530
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: your podcasts. Thank you.

531
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: You just directed Beckham, which is just about the biggest

532
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: thing ever happened to Netflix. And Beckham's also a great

533
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: fan of The River Cafe and the friend of Ruthie's.

534
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: How did that come out?

535
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: So? I was on my way to work on Succession

536
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: one day and the phone rang from and it was

537
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio's office saying, listen, Leo and David had dinner

538
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: last night and he suggested you to direct his life story.

539
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: Are you interested? And I wasn't, to be honest that interested.

540
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: Did you know about David Beckham?

541
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: No, I knew.

542
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't think very many Americans.

543
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, I didn't know about him, you know,

544
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: I think that's I mean. I knew who he was.

545
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: He was famous, I knew he was beautiful. I knew

546
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: he had a beautiful wife. I knew he was a brand.

547
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: And what really scared me was he's a brand and

548
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: he's going to try to brand me, make me do

549
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: a branded content film for him, which I wasn't interested in,

550
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: but I took the meeting on Zoom was during COVID

551
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: and also Succession is written by Jesse Armstrong and Tony

552
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Roach to Brits and Jesse and Tony I told them

553
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: about this opportunity and they're like, you have to do it.

554
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: David he's a genius. He's a great footballer. And I'm like, really,

555
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: he's that good. They're like, are you you like football?

556
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: You know?

557
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm like no, I didn't. I got into it a

558
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: little like when David left and they immediately like they

559
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: went on YouTube and showed me like clips of him

560
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 2: and they're like, you got to you gotta do your

561
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: research man. So that it evolved and it was actually

562
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: over a dinner because I didn't want to say yes

563
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: until I met him. So I was shooting Succession in Italy,

564
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: so I said, Okay, well I'll come and have meet

565
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: you in London and he's like, okay, meet me, meet

566
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: us at Harry's Bar for dinner, and he said, and

567
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: wear a jacket and I'm like, I don't have a jacket.

568
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: He's like, well, get a jacket. So I was in Florence,

569
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: so I got. I bought a shirt. He might even

570
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: been this shirt, I mean the jacket. And I got

571
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: to Harry's Bar and I remember this, I haven't told

572
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: this story, but I walked I walked in to the restaurant.

573
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: It was empty, it was like six o'clock and they go, oh, yes,

574
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm here to see the Beckhams. He's like, oh, yes,

575
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: only David's here so far, So come in. And I

576
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: walk in and there's this ass just like sticking out

577
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: of a table and I'm like, oh, it's David's Oh

578
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: and he like almost it was like a comic moment,

579
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: almost like bumps his head on the table. It was

580
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: so sorry. Victoria just dropped her earrings. I'm just looking

581
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: at them under the table. And then and that's how

582
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: I met him. And then we had this dinner at

583
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: Harry's Bar, which is very fancy, and I was a bit,

584
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: you know, nervous, dressed in this ill fitted you know,

585
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: jacket forty dollars forty year row piece of you know whatever,

586
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: jacket from some store in Florence. Anyway, so we we

587
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: we sit down and immediately. You know, he loves red

588
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: wine and he's like, do you like red one? I'm like, yeah,

589
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: because you like Bordeaux and I love Bordoze. And he

590
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: he to like a two thousand and four Latur or

591
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: something like that, and I was like, oh my god,

592
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: this is going to be fun movie to work on. No,

593
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, but anyway, so we instantly got to know

594
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: each other and had dinner, and that was what convinced me.

595
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: I can't remember the food isn't that interesting?

596
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Do you know how important food is to him? I

597
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: mean one of the when we talked when he comes

598
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: to River Cafe, you know when they come, very often

599
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: they come as a family. But he said that his

600
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: idea of a great night was to get rid of

601
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: his family and his kids. And you know, his kids

602
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: and Victoria not get rid of it. They're out and

603
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: he cooks for himself. And when he was in Milan

604
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: he took cooking classes. Right, Yeah, did you get into

605
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: food with him?

606
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: Well, I've seen yeah, so we filmed him cooking. Yeah,

607
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: we film him cooking chicken. But what's your.

608
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Best Beckham food story? We got a great Beckham food Well.

609
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: The other day he came to New York and he said,

610
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: let's have lunch. And he said, meet me at Luke

611
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: Colly's in Carol Gardens. Probably one of the best, the

612
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: best calzone, best pizza. And I thought, that's weird. Why

613
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: they're not open for lunch. So, you know, it's fifteen

614
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: minute bike ride. I bike over there and it's just

615
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: David Nicola who works with him, and Dave Gardner and

616
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: me and and Mark Lucalli. Just us at a table

617
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: and he made Mark cooked just for us and he

618
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: had We had some serious Yeah. He made this pork

619
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: chops with peppers and onions. It was unbelievable, the pork chops.

620
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: He made pasta fussili with barrata, fresh tomato sauce. He

621
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: made well, he makes these. His pizzas are legendary. What's

622
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: it called, Lullie. You've never been in there? Oh, you

623
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: guys have really on New York restaurants. No, No, you

624
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: have to go. Okay college, Yeah, we have to go.

625
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: And there's only like eight tables.

626
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: Will they close to the restaurant for us.

627
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 2: They won't close the restaurant for us, but they'll give

628
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: us a table. He'll love you to go into this restaurant.

629
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So this was Friday and we and

630
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: we had two bottles of barolo, did you Yeah?

631
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's interesting as well, isn't it about an

632
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: athlete eating? You know, if he was he's now not

633
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: playing football anymore.

634
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: No, but he works out. He works out six to

635
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: seven days a week, like incessantly. So he works out

636
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: so he can eat because he loves to eat, as

637
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, and I love to eat.

638
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Do you keep wine here?

639
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just just.

640
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Got downstairs, and you're lucky to have a bottle of.

641
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you because this Okay, So in

642
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: this house when we moved in, and i'll show you

643
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: the room, there were barrels because they used to make

644
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: wine here. So we have grapevines in the back. It's

645
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: I can't make the wine. Yeah, Brooklyn wine, Brooklyn wine.

646
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: I know, but they're not they're not. I don't know

647
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: how good it is. But yeah, so I don't have

648
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: that many bottles, but I love it.

649
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: So it starting about an hour ago, you said to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have much to say about food.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Oh, but the last thing I'm gonna say, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: shut up about food because now I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about food. Now, I know because tief Spain, Spain. I

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Speaker 2: just got back for it. Now I hit all the

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Speaker 2: great restaurants, restaurants, oh my god, the greatest restaurants. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like funky little hole in the wall Taverna's like anyway,

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Speaker 2: if you go to Tenner Reef, I'm gonna give you.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you the harmone. I mean, I ave out.

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Speaker 3: My younger brother is obsessed with you.

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Speaker 1: Always think is like a tourist.

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Speaker 2: No, because the Brits all go to the South, but

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Speaker 2: forget the South, you go to the North. The fish,

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Speaker 2: the fish, the mussels, it's oh man.

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Speaker 1: That's so good.

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Speaker 2: And the wine, the local Canary island wine, and that

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Speaker 2: I love Ribrieta. I don't like Ribera. I love red Ribia.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love the wine. But I'm not a Rioha drinker.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Ribeta drinker anyway. So I just want to

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Speaker 2: make that clear. If anyone wants to send me Spanish.

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Speaker 1: We got the right one. Okay. Well, so if you're

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Speaker 1: you've got to go have the pasta with the.

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Speaker 2: Pasta with my son, don't get him on food because

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Speaker 2: he eats everything. He's ten years old, He's got the most.

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Speaker 2: He tries everything. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if we talk about eating for your kids, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about making pancakes, and we talk about eating

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Speaker 1: you know, great food with great wine and ten reef

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Speaker 1: and wherever you are, you are. We are defined as

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Speaker 1: a food person. You may try and run away, but

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Speaker 1: you can't hide. So you are. But if you need

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Speaker 1: food for comfort, is there something you would go to?

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Speaker 2: The thing that comes into my mind is is pasta

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Speaker 2: with pesto. Pesto, the basil, the cheese that I'll oil,

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Speaker 2: the pine nuts also, I make it. That's the other

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Speaker 2: thing I try to make a little bit. But that

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Speaker 2: gives me comfort.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I hope you don't need comfort because you're a

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Speaker 1: great personal Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to see you in London, Yes, London.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ruthie's Table for in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Montclair.

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Speaker 5: Ruthie's Table four is produced by Atamei Studios for iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 5: It's hosted by Ruthie Rogers and it's produced by William Lensky.

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Speaker 5: This episode was edited by Julia Johnson and mixed by

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Speaker 5: Nigel Appleton, our executive producers are Fay Stewart and Zad Rogers.

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Speaker 5: Cafe for your help in me in this episode.

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