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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young woman literally

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Speaker 1: Now she's missing. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Jepsy?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this tonight? A mother in Hong

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Speaker 1: old Jepsy Omaga of Colorado Springs will soon be found safe.

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Speaker 1: She's been missing since March twenty, with no trace of

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Speaker 1: where she might have gone well. Margiemaga says she and

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Speaker 1: her daughter, twenty six year old Jepsy AMaGA, missing for

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Speaker 1: the pain of that mother far away from her child,

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Speaker 1: learning that Jepsy is missing again. I'm Nancy Grace. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nations Series eleven.

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Speaker 1: Let me introduce you an all star panel to make

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Speaker 1: sense of what we know so far. First of all,

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Speaker 1: at Houston Criminal Defense dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold renounced

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Speaker 1: Doctor Todd Barr, Deputy medical examiner forensic Pathologists, joining us

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Speaker 1: m Cheryl McCullum joining us, Founder and director of the

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Speaker 1: Crimes dot org. But first to Sydney Still News reporter

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Speaker 1: Kardo News Channel thirteen, Sidney, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Angela Arnold. A lot of people poo

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Speaker 1: poo online dating. A lot of couples don't want to

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Speaker 1: It does happen, doctor Angie, Well, of course it doesn't. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: failure to her family back home, so she he convinced

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Speaker 1: her to pull back divorce decree away. I can promise

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Speaker 1: you that you know I would have a problem with

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Speaker 1: this with the controlling part, Doctor Angela Arnold. The controlling part.

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Speaker 1: I am a friend whose husband wants to pick out

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00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: her clothes and jewelry. Oh god, oh yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all right there, I say, Maba, But that's

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00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: him as one of his idiosyncrasies. Now, this guy wants

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Speaker 1: to control who she talks to on the phone. What

431
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: did you tell me, Sydney? Still, she says, controlling? And

432
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: how was he controlling? He was really the way the

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Speaker 1: family told me, as they said, he was really specific

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Speaker 1: about the way she communicated. So who she talked to?

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Speaker 1: You when she met up with them, how she used

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Speaker 1: her phone. He was really controlling, specifically about her cell phone.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, controlling leads to isolation. Right now,

438
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Speaker 1: we're talking about him controlling her. It would have led

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Speaker 1: to isolation on her. Apart they're trying to make him happy.

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Speaker 1: She cut down on her Yeah, okay, I get she

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Speaker 1: cut down on communications to keep him quiet. Guys, take

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Speaker 1: a listen now to our cut five. This is our

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Speaker 1: Friends kr d O New Channel thirteen. It's been more

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Speaker 1: than two years since anyone has heard from twenty six

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: year old Jepsy Colungi. Family friend Rachel Jackson said she

446
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Speaker 1: moved from the Philippines to the United States a few

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Speaker 1: years ago. I know that she have a dissent job

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00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: in the Philippines, that she have a bachelors degree, and

449
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: she came over here to the usness just because she

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Speaker 1: want to be in the US. She came over here

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00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: and married Dane because she fall in love with Dane.

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Speaker 1: Dane and Jepsy were married for about two years before

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Speaker 1: she disappeared in March of twenty nineteen. Just days later,

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Speaker 1: Dane moved out of the state to live in California.

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Speaker 1: What Sydney still hold all just a moment he moves

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like he's not expecting her to walk

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Speaker 1: back in the front door. Yeah, very quickly. And that

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00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: was one of the big things that Poe. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: felt very suspicious. But she goes missing on March twentieth,

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: and by early April he has moved to California to

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Speaker 1: live with his dad. You know what this reminds me

462
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: of Sydney still, it reminds me of Scott Peterson, who

463
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: did martyr Lacy and Connor his wife an unborn child.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, what's some cable outfit special, what's to

465
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Speaker 1: say to try to get ratings? He did murder her.

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Speaker 1: But remember everybody that Lacy goes missing and then he

467
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: suddenly tries to sell her car and orders the porn

468
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: channel like he knows she is not coming home, also

469
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Speaker 1: tries to sell the house. I mean, it would be

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Speaker 1: a cold day in h l I walk in and

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Speaker 1: catch my husband watching porn on the family TV. And

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Speaker 1: that's not going to happen over my cold dead body.

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00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: And see that's what Peterson knew. So she goes missing

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Speaker 1: and he moves within a couple of weeks, not only moves,

475
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Speaker 1: but moves out of state. Did I understand that correct? City? Still? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: his dad lives in California, and so he moved to

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Speaker 1: live with his dad in califrint not even a month

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Speaker 1: after she goes Missing Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

479
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: take a listen, because suddenly there is a break in

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Speaker 1: the case. Have you ever heard the phrase loose lips

481
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: sink ships? Believe it? Dane Colungi admitted to his ex wife, Elaine,

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Speaker 1: that he killed chefs. Dane's ex wife told police and

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00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: then she helps them record a phone call between herself

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Speaker 1: and Dane. In that call, the record show Dane said

485
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: he killed Jeffsy even drove her body to a remote

486
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Speaker 1: part of Teller County where he buried her. Chefsy Colungi's

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00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: body has not been found. Did you hear that? If

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00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you didn't hear that, take a listen to Daniel Lyon

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00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: at Fox twenty one. Through a recorded conversation, CSPD was

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00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: able to obtain a confession. Colungi said he grabbed jets

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00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: and quote tried stopping the words from coming out of

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Speaker 1: her mouth and realized he did it for more been

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Speaker 1: a second. Colungi went on telling his ex wife he

494
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: went out to a remote area in Teller County and

495
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: buried her body after digging gray for hours. Colungi was

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Speaker 1: arrested in New Mexico shortly after the recorded conversation took place.

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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: Colungi then told his ex wife quote, he didn't need

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Speaker 1: to do it and Jepsy didn't deserve it now. Friends

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: of Jetsy also reached out to Dane Colungi to ask

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Speaker 1: for Jepsy's whereabouts, and he told them she had either

501
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: left for Chicago or the Philippines and failed to give

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Speaker 1: them an address. Police say this case stem from a

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Speaker 1: domestic violenced abuse case. Now. Court documents also stay Colugi

504
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: was also abusive towards his ex wife. Well, I know

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Speaker 1: this will make everyone crane or as my children say,

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00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: that's so cringey when you don't know a horse. Look

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00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: at his track record. He had a history of domestic abuse,

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00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: bating his ex wife. I got another question, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: You and I've wrote the Straits as investigator and prosecutor

510
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Speaker 1: for a really long time. Why do people have to yap?

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Speaker 1: That's why I always said there's no way that O. J.

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00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: Simpson was framed by a group of police because not

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Speaker 1: one of them for this long could have kept their

514
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Speaker 1: yap shut or not do a twenty million dollar book deal. Ok,

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00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. Somebody is going to talk.

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00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: They have to. They can't help themselves. And here he

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Speaker 1: calls and tells his ex wife he murdered Jepsy. And

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00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: let me just say once again, the ex wife comes through.

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Speaker 1: You pick the person that you were abusive to fill

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Speaker 1: your guts about how you killed your latest wife. Yeah.

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00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: So that's fabulous for the prosecution first of all, and

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00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: second of all, that leads to the police being able

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Speaker 1: to not only move this person to the only suspect

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Speaker 1: and person of interest, but gives them a way to

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Speaker 1: now get some search warrants to see what they can

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Speaker 1: find out that he might still present. You know, Sydney

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: still joining me k RDA on the case from the

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Speaker 1: very very beginning. This also miles with Peterson in a

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00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: sense said Amber Fry his mistress while I'm still married

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Speaker 1: to Lacy, actually recorded their conversations which helped make the case.

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Speaker 1: Now this ex wife in the current case and the

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Speaker 1: case against Jetsey's husband Dane KILLINGI she risked her life

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Speaker 1: because she agreed to record a conversation. If they had

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Speaker 1: not arrested him after that immediately, that he could have

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Speaker 1: come and killed her. Yeah, I mean that's the possibility

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Speaker 1: when you look at the past abuse. I mean it's

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00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: pretty hard to it's pretty hard to look at. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she and this arrest appada which she goes through. You know,

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00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: I remember being strangled by being I remember going in

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Speaker 1: and out of consciousness. Her twin sister who lived with them,

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Speaker 1: remembers being picking her up by the throat, holding her

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00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: like half a foot off the ground. So he was

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00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: very abusive to her. And she said that that abuse

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00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: started back in two thousand and six, so it's hard

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Speaker 1: to imagine that when she finds out Jefsica was missing

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00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: and she hears Dan talk about how it happens, if

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Speaker 1: you didn't think, wow, that could have sen me. Joining

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Speaker 1: me right now, Doctor Todd M. Barr, Deputy medical Examiner,

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00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: joining us out of Cleveland. You can find him at

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00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: Thin Places. Essays from in between are also on Twitter

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00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: at Todd Barm. Doctor Barr, thank you so much for

552
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: being with us now. This body we think has been

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00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: buried for a period of time in a grave that

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00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: took quote hours to dig. Given the circumstances that you know,

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00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: do you believe we will ever be able to prove

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00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: cause of death once we find the body. If the

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00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: cod is strangulation, well you know what I'm going to

558
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, say it with me. I'm going to

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00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: the highoid bone. I Am looking for the highoid bone

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00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: if this man is strangling her. I read the Affidavid

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00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 1: and he said something about looking directly into her eyes

562
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: as he was doing this and caused severe damage. And

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00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: you know damn well that his hands on her neck

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00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: exerting that pressure is going to break that hyoid bone.

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Speaker 1: So I've had several cases where people have been buried

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Speaker 1: for up to two years. One case was a Russian

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00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: woman who was killed by her her husband and wrapped

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00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: in a sheet and buried three feet deep next to

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Speaker 1: a riverbed. She was only in the ground for about

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Speaker 1: eight months, but remarkably, when we dug her up, she

571
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: was still pretty well preserved because of the cool earth

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00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: that was surrounding her for that whole entire time, and

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Speaker 1: she wasn't exposed to the heat and to the flies

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00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: and the maggots and all of that. Another case I had.

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00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: The person's flesh had kind of disintegrated into sort of

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Speaker 1: a peanut buttery mix, but we still had all of

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Speaker 1: the bones, and we can extract dannate from the bones,

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Speaker 1: from the fingernail beds, and we can do facial reconstruction.

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Speaker 1: With forensic anthropology, we can certainly elictit certain patterns that

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Speaker 1: might be found in a skeletonized body, particularly the highoid bone.

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Speaker 1: If we have a fracture highoid bone, that ball I need. Wow,

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00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: you're awesome. I can listen to you talk all day long. Now,

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00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: not everybody wants to hear a medical examiner talk about

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00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: dead bodies, but I think you're awesome for those of

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00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: you our listeners that don't know what is a highoid bone.

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00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: So the highoid bone, if you take your finger and

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00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: run it along your jaw line, and you've got sort

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Speaker 1: of the angle of the jaw that makes sort of

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Speaker 1: a U shape or a V shape in the front. Well,

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Speaker 1: right behind that at the floor of the mouth is

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Speaker 1: where the highoid bone sits, and it's attached by a

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Speaker 1: number of different muscles that hold the whole floor of

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Speaker 1: the mouth together, and that's what gives you the shape

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Speaker 1: of the floor of the mouth and the prominence where

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Speaker 1: your chin comes out. So it really is a supportive structure.

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Speaker 1: But it's right above the trachea the windpipe as people

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Speaker 1: would call it, and it's intimately connected with all those

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Speaker 1: next structures. So if you're affecting pressure onto those structures,

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00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: they're very delicate cartilages and bones in there, and they're

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Speaker 1: very easy to fracture. So it's the highoid above the

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Speaker 1: atoms apple, between the atoms apple and the chin. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Is it more under your is it more on your

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Speaker 1: throat or more under your mouth under your tongue. It's basic.

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Speaker 1: It's under your tongue at the base of the It's

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Speaker 1: like if you wear your neck, if you go up,

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Speaker 1: you find your atoms apple and then at that angle

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Speaker 1: where your chin starts to jut out, that's where the

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Speaker 1: highoid bone lives. Okay, between those two like equidistance. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty well centered right under your chin. Got it.

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Speaker 1: So let's just say that she is buried in this

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Speaker 1: gray that he's talked about told his ex wife back

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Speaker 1: because he can possibly keep his mouth. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: she will be skeletonized? It depends on the conditions of

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Speaker 1: where she was buried, how deep she was buried, what

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Speaker 1: the aeration was like. Um, it's quite possible that she

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Speaker 1: If it's a very arid or dry area, she could

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Speaker 1: be mummified. If she's still wearing her clothing, certain parts

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Speaker 1: of the skin may be a little more preserved than

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Speaker 1: other parts of her body. It really depends on a

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Speaker 1: lot of conditions. But regardless, even if she's completely skeletonized,

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Speaker 1: there's still so much information that we can get. You know,

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Speaker 1: she may even have if he's beat her before, she

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Speaker 1: may have skull fractures or facial bone fractures. That could

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Speaker 1: be all. You know, we would be looking at all

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Speaker 1: kinds of surfaces of different bones to to look for

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Speaker 1: any kind of injury pattern. And here's the rub in

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Speaker 1: our jurisprident system. A person cannot be tried and convicted

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00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: based on a can fashion alone. That's the law, whether

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Speaker 1: we like it or not. So that's why we Truer

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Speaker 1: words were never spoken, Doctor Todd m bar joining me

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Speaker 1: out of Cleveland. Truer words were never spoken. We need

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Speaker 1: that body. We wait as justice unfold. If you have information,

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Speaker 1: please call seven one nine four four four seven thousand,

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Speaker 1: repeat seven one nine four four four seven thousand, Goodbye friend,