WEBVTT - Abbot's Border Folly

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<v Speaker 1>It's an introduction. Good for you. We did. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. What what show is this? Uh? This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is it could happen here a show that is

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<v Speaker 1>also currently in the middle of about seventeen thousand personnel disasters.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's fine. Uh yeah, I am I am Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Wong and with me is Garrison. Hello, Hi, good morning

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<v Speaker 1>or afternoon or evening, depending on when you're listening. And

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<v Speaker 1>also Sophie Hello, Hi. So we are we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about something that is I guess technically over, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was extremely weird and did a lot of harm.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the very weird stuff that Texas General

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<v Speaker 1>General Jesus hopefully not Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who had

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<v Speaker 1>general the General of Texas. Greg, I mean, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of not wrong, but he wished like that, he

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<v Speaker 1>wishes he wishes he was the General of Texas. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's one of those things where like that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when we know the coup started, is when he himself,

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<v Speaker 1>the general, takes over Texas. So Greg Abbott is extremely mad,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's actually mad because Biden finally decided to end

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<v Speaker 1>one of like the absolute worst Trump era border policies

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<v Speaker 1>just called Title forty two, and it's he was like

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<v Speaker 1>nominally an anti pandemic measures, like the CDC. That's so,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why it took me like five seconds

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<v Speaker 1>to remember the name of the CDC, the Central Defense Agency. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Yeah. So it's normally supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like, okay, you can you cut off

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<v Speaker 1>migrants from coming into the country because there's a risk

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<v Speaker 1>of a pandemic. Now, okay, if if if you have

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<v Speaker 1>lived the last two years, you know that the US

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<v Speaker 1>just literally does not give a single ship out the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic at all, like ending. Yeah. Yeah, so this, this

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing really has just been a justification to just

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<v Speaker 1>boot out, this prevent every like asylum seeker in refugee,

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<v Speaker 1>an immigrant for getting into the country. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>that you can tell this because the title forty two

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<v Speaker 1>when it was originally invoked, didn't cover people who were

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<v Speaker 1>like driving trucks across the border. Like he didn't cover

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<v Speaker 1>economic activity of course not. Yeah, so it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a way for the US to like not have

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<v Speaker 1>asylum seekers. And Biden let this go for like another

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<v Speaker 1>fucking year while he was in office, and so like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like like late last monthy like he finally got

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it. And you know, this means that like

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants and refugees now once again have their legal right

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<v Speaker 1>under both American and international law to a petition for asylum,

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<v Speaker 1>which again the US doesn't give a shit about, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the US doesn't care about laws unless they

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<v Speaker 1>do bad things. But this finally happens and Greg Abbott,

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<v Speaker 1>who is once again we must remind of you one

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<v Speaker 1>the great habbit is, is running for election in November,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's it's justus just literally running through the entire

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<v Speaker 1>right wing like every single right wing scary we can

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<v Speaker 1>possibly think of. Don't worry, Chris, don't worry Chris. Beto

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<v Speaker 1>will get him. I believe. I believe in Beto this

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<v Speaker 1>time by like slide. Yeah, well okay, So the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that could stop him from this is Greg Abbott decides

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<v Speaker 1>you like two PR stunts, and one of them is

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<v Speaker 1>he's taking busses of of immigris throt asylum seekers and

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<v Speaker 1>just busting them. The d C and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this for a little like a second, because

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<v Speaker 1>like this is really shitty and that shouldn't be legal,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be allowed to really traffick. You're trafficking people across

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<v Speaker 1>the country for a political stunt. That's like that that

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, Like and like I think like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's like, oh, this is book like it is. But

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<v Speaker 1>like the thing with American political sence is that real

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<v Speaker 1>people get hurt constantly. Yeah, And we're gonna come back

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<v Speaker 1>to that theme more in a second. As we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the second stunt that he did, which was so

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<v Speaker 1>essentially what Abbott did, is there are an enormous number

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<v Speaker 1>of trucks that cross the US Mexican border into Texas

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<v Speaker 1>like every day, right, I mean they're like there are

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<v Speaker 1>individual bridges that are moving six seventy billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 1>just produce like every day. And so that produced when

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<v Speaker 1>it when it comes into the US, it goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of checks by the border patrol and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's all these checks and this is this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, Abbott went on this incredibly bizarre rants about well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's not bizarre. I guess if you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>When we went on this rant about like the cartels

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<v Speaker 1>and there's immigrants of need to stop them, and so

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<v Speaker 1>she's very scary. Yeah, it's really weird. Okay, So he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing all the birds faymongering, and he's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to stop the people from getting across the border.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna inspect all of these trucks, which again

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<v Speaker 1>like they're already being inspected by the FEDS. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, this is where like the horrible

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<v Speaker 1>ice budget is going. Right. So he he does this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he he calls in a bunch of just like

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<v Speaker 1>the border patrols to just literally do all of the

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<v Speaker 1>same checks again. And this has an enormous economic impact. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read a quote from the American Statesman.

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<v Speaker 1>The delays have resulted in a six drop in commercial

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<v Speaker 1>traffic at the border, according to ums U S Customs

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<v Speaker 1>and Border Protections. The agency said the delays are a

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<v Speaker 1>direct results of quote additional and unnecessary inspections being conducted

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<v Speaker 1>at Abbot's request. I I do like that the same

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<v Speaker 1>people who were shooting moms in Portland now inspecting produce

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<v Speaker 1>at the Texas. It's it's pretty well. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think that there there there's an important thing

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<v Speaker 1>to note here. Writes like, so, why why are these

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are like doing both these things. And

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is that, like those organizations like that, the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they're designed to do is to protect the

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<v Speaker 1>interest of American capital. And you know, so the interest

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<v Speaker 1>of American capital are we need to move capital across

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<v Speaker 1>the we need to move goods across the border, and

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<v Speaker 1>we need to just like absolutely obliterate like a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of teenagers who don't like us. That is pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>their bit um. I mean, yeah, I know we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>in the past about us like customs and border and

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<v Speaker 1>word protections and the weird the weird like agencies and

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<v Speaker 1>weird kind of almost militias that they operate and how

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<v Speaker 1>they get deployed into certain areas if they're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>x x miles away from the border. Um, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be worth talking about more in depth in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know Robert has done some historical background on

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<v Speaker 1>them from Bastards, um. But I think, yeah, that is

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<v Speaker 1>something I would I would be down to talk more about. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are a very bizarre agents. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>very weird. They're also really not like in this story,

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<v Speaker 1>they're basically really just sitting there being mad because it's

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<v Speaker 1>taking longer at what they do. Yeah. And and you

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<v Speaker 1>know because because again like these these actual spections are

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<v Speaker 1>being run by like state troopers, and because because because

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<v Speaker 1>Abbott has more direct control overy stage. Yeah, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Abbot dr power for them. And this means that like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have your truck, right, your truck has a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of produce in it, you would be it across

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<v Speaker 1>the border. Um. This usually takes about two hours of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being like sitting there in a truck while

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<v Speaker 1>you're stop your every once cargo gets inspected and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>which I will say the truckers don't even get paid

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<v Speaker 1>for that when they're waiting two hours. Yeah, and and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what would make that worse, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now it takes between ten and thirty hours because intentionally,

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose was like okay, we're just we're gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>six thousand like people total to do this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, like hundreds of millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of produce like since like onions and tomatoes and avocados

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<v Speaker 1>are just sitting in these trucks, rotting in the textas heat. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully the trucks are refrigerated, but still, well, the trucks

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<v Speaker 1>are refrigerated, but like the people in them, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>the cabins are not. Yeah, I'm sure it gets mighty well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I do have some family who would truckers,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the cabins can be nice. But still

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<v Speaker 1>that's sitting for thirty hours without getting paid because the

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<v Speaker 1>only get paid when you are moving. Um, which is

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<v Speaker 1>oh uh not a great way to you know, run

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<v Speaker 1>our entire economy. Yeah, I'm gonna read a quote. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna read a suction from the paragraph of the Texas Tribune. Felix,

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty year old Mexican trucker who was transporting tomatoes,

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<v Speaker 1>onions and avocados, waited about thirteen hours in line at

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge. He has to be identified only by his

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<v Speaker 1>first name for fear of retribution and targeted inspections from

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<v Speaker 1>CPB officials. Hearing of the delays at the border, he

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<v Speaker 1>packed water and food for a few days, but other

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<v Speaker 1>truckers didn't come as prepared, and we're sitting in stand

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<v Speaker 1>still traffic without anything to eat or drink. Felix said

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<v Speaker 1>he was told by a CPB official that the agency

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<v Speaker 1>would be putting portable bathrooms along the bridge for the

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<v Speaker 1>gridlocked truckers, but he never saw them. Once Felix made

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<v Speaker 1>it to the state troopers inspection point around nine pm,

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<v Speaker 1>he said they didn't even peer into his truck, which

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<v Speaker 1>had been sealed since Mexican had already's inspected about six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles away in the state of Sineloa. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of bringing legal immigrants in the merchandise or in

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<v Speaker 1>the cabin, he said, referencing one of Abbott's explanations for

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<v Speaker 1>the inspections. I can't bring any illegal immigrants here for

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<v Speaker 1>money because I know inspectors are going to discover them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a thing here. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>politicians ideas are. I don't know what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So that seems not good. Yeah, it's it's really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And like again, like this is this whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>nonsense like that. I didn't even I didn't even think

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<v Speaker 1>about having to, you know, use the bathroom for hours. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and like do you think the thing with this is

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<v Speaker 1>like this, the backups are eight miles long, so like

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to go to the bathroom, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to walk for like miles, depending depending on where you

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<v Speaker 1>are in this backup. And you know this is having

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<v Speaker 1>like these just enormous horrifying that there's like these normous

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<v Speaker 1>horrifying knock on effects. Um, because you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just the truckers are affected by this. There's a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of workers whose job it is you know, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>process is these goods rights, take them out of trucks,

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<v Speaker 1>put them into American trucks to like sort through the

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<v Speaker 1>vegetables and figure out like which ones are good and

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<v Speaker 1>which ones are not. And again, like just enormous amounts

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<v Speaker 1>of just produce that is like fresh and good to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just being intentionally destroyed because it's being forced to

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<v Speaker 1>sit at the border for this long. Uh. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of these people whose whose job like who who

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<v Speaker 1>are contract workers whose job it is to like go

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<v Speaker 1>through this stuff, and they're all getting fired because they're

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<v Speaker 1>like there's no work for them to do. Um. There's

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<v Speaker 1>all of these people who like their their jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>they run bodegoes that they run like like they run restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they run a much of stuff on the border

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<v Speaker 1>for these truckers, and they also don't have any work.

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<v Speaker 1>And those people have to on a day by date,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like I think it's per day to rent

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<v Speaker 1>a terminal in Yeah, and they're making nothing, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's horrifying. There's all there's there's just enormous economic

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<v Speaker 1>devastation that that that's been sort of like you know

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<v Speaker 1>that that that that's been happening because of this and

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<v Speaker 1>well you know, you know what else reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>economic devastation, Ah, the fact that the fact that our

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<v Speaker 1>paychecks are solely reliant on the products and services that

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<v Speaker 1>support this podcast. It's true. Yeah, Well we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the problems they're having in a second after this break. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>one second. Wow, that was that was a fast second.

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<v Speaker 1>That just that that flew right by time is not real?

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<v Speaker 1>Destroy the clocks decided to start the police, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you press if you press the if you press

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<v Speaker 1>the thirty second button four times, yes, yeah, real speedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is having other problems because, as we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the show, literally ad nausea and our supply chains

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<v Speaker 1>are really bad. And it turns out, yeah, that does

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be a recurring character on the pod. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that supply chains uh not the most stable thing we've invented. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially with especially with with with fruit and vegetables. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well we will be getting some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other supply chains that are like fun because of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but like prudent vegetables in particular, like the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we do them, they're they're designed to be in motion

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<v Speaker 1>for like a very specific amount of time so that

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<v Speaker 1>when they show up to you they're ripe. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you add a few hours onto that everything

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<v Speaker 1>falls apart. And this like I'm not sure if it

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<v Speaker 1>happens because I'm not in Texas, but there was there

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<v Speaker 1>were a bunch of articles were talking about like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like avocados and Texas are gonna cost five more dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like a single avocado is price is gonna increase

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<v Speaker 1>by like five dollars over the weekend because like because

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<v Speaker 1>it was just the enormous amount of produces that that's

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<v Speaker 1>being destroyed here. And you know, there's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other stuff going on here because American and Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>supply chains are enormously integrated. It from now. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they've always been in good to some extent, but like

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<v Speaker 1>particularly post NAFTA, there's a lot of like auto supply

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<v Speaker 1>chains in particular that are that are tied to two

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<v Speaker 1>plants in Mexico, and you actually this occasionally has like

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<v Speaker 1>interesting effects, like Mexico's has a lot of auto strikes

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<v Speaker 1>and you get like you get these things where like

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<v Speaker 1>people will like tuck messages into like auto parts and

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<v Speaker 1>like send them to the US. People will open these

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<v Speaker 1>messages from like a worker in Mexico too. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>need and it's it's cool that there's lots of there's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff there, but this also means that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so if those parts are moving across the border, there

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<v Speaker 1>was just in time, production schedules are even more Omega

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<v Speaker 1>screwed than they've been already. And so yeah, there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sort of economics stuff that's been happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the other people who are getting just

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<v Speaker 1>completely screwed by this are are the Mexican truckers and

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah and so so so this this this starts

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<v Speaker 1>on April six, on Monday, April eleven, I the truckers

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<v Speaker 1>are just like funck this and they start just completely

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<v Speaker 1>blockading the largest border crossing between like this it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the Giant bridge. They started they literally just blockade the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge and but prevent any goods from from getting in.

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<v Speaker 1>And this this has an enormous impact because again, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was going like yeah it was production

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<v Speaker 1>was down by by sixty percent, but that means still

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<v Speaker 1>means goods are getting through. And now you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye bye. By the eleventh, it's just nothing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I do hope the one the one good

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<v Speaker 1>thing that can come out of the whole Canada COVID

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<v Speaker 1>isn't real protests, um, is that people have learned that

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<v Speaker 1>blocking off supply chains it's a really effective way to

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<v Speaker 1>do protest. Use. You can stop the import of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>and millions and billions of dollars of trade um pretty

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<v Speaker 1>easily actually, And it would be cool if more people realize, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the COVID stuff that we're talking about and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole over the in the government part um to install

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<v Speaker 1>a right wing dictator that part it's obviously bad, but

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<v Speaker 1>some of their tactics were actually pretty interesting. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get more into that, uh like later, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I would say, like I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>thing with the U S is that, like I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of focus on the American left

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<v Speaker 1>on ports because yeah, there's a lot of reasons for that,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, yeah, you can do the border crossings too,

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<v Speaker 1>and the the mexicge rucker is really effective. I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's this has been a thing where it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of hard to get information from. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a few like newspapers talking about um, like cartel people

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<v Speaker 1>like like attacking the blockaded, lighting trucks on fire to

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<v Speaker 1>try to force goods to go through again, which it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know, um, but this, you know, once

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<v Speaker 1>once there are like once the block like the border

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<v Speaker 1>is completely blockaded, this completely ages like the entire political

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<v Speaker 1>situation because now, like you know, ab Abbot's been running

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<v Speaker 1>this thing sort of as a political stunt and as

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<v Speaker 1>this game he's playing with you know, I suppose he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to play a game with Biden, right, and he's like, okay, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta decently go about the border or whatever, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know's he's been challenging Biden over like immigration bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, now now there's a there's a third

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<v Speaker 1>party involved, and that third party is for Mexican truckers.

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<v Speaker 1>And now and now Abbot's not just in the It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Abbot's in a confrontation with the people that he

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<v Speaker 1>needs to make the entire Texan economy run. Yep. And

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<v Speaker 1>this starts going very badly for him. And the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing that starts going very badly for him is that

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<v Speaker 1>I it turns out if you shut down cross border trade,

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<v Speaker 1>you really really piss off the bourgeoisie. Turns out, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that will happen if you ain't careful. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting and and you know, and and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I should mention like stressed this, Like they're piste

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<v Speaker 1>off on both sides of the border. And like obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you could talk about the excient which like yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>they're the same class. But like capitalists on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the border start exerting their political pressure because they're

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're losing enormous amounts of money off of this,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they do. Yeah, and you know, the way

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to do capitalism as capitalists, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be mad. Yeah, which again you think you would think

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<v Speaker 1>that the Abbot would like get this, but he just

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<v Speaker 1>he it seems to have not occurred to him. That

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to piss off like either or like

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks he didn't care enough and thought it wouldn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, no, it turns out like you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that happens. Yeah, it's it's amazing, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he's you know, like I mean, I think this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is you know, I think this is. This is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a symptom of like people lose like right

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<v Speaker 1>wing politicians losing sight of what their actual basis because

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<v Speaker 1>like this is all this is all supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>like campaign trail feeding the anti immigrant base, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you you are a politician in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Your actual constituency is the capitalists and and like you

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<v Speaker 1>have an actual job and let's make the economy keep

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<v Speaker 1>going and keep the people in power to have all

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<v Speaker 1>the power, Like you're not just like that. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing that Trump was kind of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first big um indicators for which is like a politician

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<v Speaker 1>now is just the endless cycle of campaigning and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually have a job. It's just always campaigning and

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<v Speaker 1>then it's always campaigning, uh, and they're like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I should do my actual job that I was

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<v Speaker 1>elected for or I could just do more rallies and

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<v Speaker 1>that seems like it would be less work. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think I think what Trump was like

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<v Speaker 1>there was those instet to which the bureaucracy kept functioning,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, like like he like Trump got

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<v Speaker 1>Trump got the tax cut, right, yeah, and like he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really start getting in trouble with him until he

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<v Speaker 1>started doing the anti China stuff, which was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster because there was a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>turned out like need those trade connections to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>And you saw like like it was weird. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very weird thing. Like you started to see even some

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<v Speaker 1>of his like like domestic like small business base. I

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<v Speaker 1>started to get really mad at him because he's putting

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<v Speaker 1>all these sanctions up and it's like, oh, hey, look

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<v Speaker 1>all these sanctions mean at all these people who are

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<v Speaker 1>reliant on Chinese supply chains have to pay this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and an Abbott. Abbott has like done this in microcosm,

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<v Speaker 1>and like these these people like they start going to

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<v Speaker 1>the press. Um, I'm going to read a quote from Bloomberg. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Some retailers, particularly those in the grocery industry, have experienced

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<v Speaker 1>supply chain delays resulting from the extended wait times along

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<v Speaker 1>the Texas Mexico border. John McCord, the executive director of

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Retailers Association, wrote in an email, so, like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know these are like like the Texas Retail Association is

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<v Speaker 1>like this is like the most republican solidly institution in

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<v Speaker 1>the country and and you can watch them over time,

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<v Speaker 1>like these people are getting really mad. Like one of

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, like, what if Abbot's like I forget

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<v Speaker 1>the exact title, Like what one of Abbot's like secretaries,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're like at the secretary or some one of

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<v Speaker 1>the like economic bureaus was like, yeah, man, avoca are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna cost five more dollars. And you know this really

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<v Speaker 1>hits me hard because everyone knows it's about me. I

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<v Speaker 1>care a lot about retail um, retails like my one

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<v Speaker 1>of my big core personality traits UM. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>who else wants you to care about retail? Oh my

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<v Speaker 1>goodness is that the washing st Patrol. That is right, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Washington State Patrol. Are are are good friends? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>So here here is some here's some messages about about

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<v Speaker 1>how you can improve your retail decisions. Okay, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>find this George Bush quote instead of that, we will

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<v Speaker 1>return to this. And you know, one thing I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should also mention is if you ran into this

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, um you will see a lot of videos

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<v Speaker 1>of people like Democrats like standing at the border and

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at the trucks and going, uh, this is this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Abbot attempting to like make inflation to get

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<v Speaker 1>worse by sabotaging the economy. Cringe and like cringe cringe moments. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, Like uh, I cannot rule out that this

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<v Speaker 1>was like a part of what he wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not really why he's doing this. Like this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is like mostly and I some people

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like, oh, this is like the trucker's buckage

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<v Speaker 1>and Chile and I'm like, no, no, it's not at all,

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<v Speaker 1>like like yeah, yeah, yeah, Like yes, Chile has a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of right had I had a bunch of right

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<v Speaker 1>wing anti communist truckers unions that tried to shut down

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<v Speaker 1>the government, But like that's not what's happening here. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the state and Abbott trying to do this is

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<v Speaker 1>like an immigration pr thing like this isn't like he's

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<v Speaker 1>not actually he's not actually trying to destroy government, because

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<v Speaker 1>the the only way you can get stuff like that

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<v Speaker 1>is if like, is is it the capital's classes like

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely afraid that they're about to get like like wiped

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<v Speaker 1>up by communists And it turns out that is not

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<v Speaker 1>about to unize the entire us. I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a looming threat at the moment. No, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like no, it's like it's it's not it's not

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<v Speaker 1>really about that, Like it's it's it's it's mostly about

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of this sort of like border game that

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<v Speaker 1>the communities are coming for your avocados. Well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this is the interesting thing here because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you have this really weird scenario where like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's the right wing governor like shutting down the

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<v Speaker 1>flow of commodities, and like the liberals are like, we

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<v Speaker 1>must restore the flow of commodities, and the like we

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<v Speaker 1>must restore the flow of commodities, and like even the

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<v Speaker 1>cartels or something sentire like come on, like we all

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<v Speaker 1>we all need the border open. Uh. It really it

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<v Speaker 1>really does just showcase the entire bit. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, like we've been talking a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>the human cost of this and the reason this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>works is because American politics is literally just a machine

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<v Speaker 1>that turns human suffering into stories and then turns those

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<v Speaker 1>stories into percentage points at the polls. And that's Abbot's

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<v Speaker 1>entire weight. Am I getting him confused with no Greg

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<v Speaker 1>Abbots the governor. I momentarily got him confused with the

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<v Speaker 1>UK guy Tony emmett Ri, also bad in very similar ways. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I think we're allowed to have two

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 1>bad Abbots. Yeah. I thought there's kind of Australia too,

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<v Speaker 1>But well, the bad appots that are multiplied. Someone has

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<v Speaker 1>got to get on this. We need we need to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the anglos theory before they pro the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>produced a fourth one and we get the four horsemen

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<v Speaker 1>of the apocalypse. That would be funny if you just

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<v Speaker 1>have four Abbots bringing the apocalypse. Yeah, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think that think that's important to understand about Like

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<v Speaker 1>about Abbott is like that that everything that Abbott does

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<v Speaker 1>is just about inflicting suffering on people and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>use that to do polls. Right, Like he he has

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 1>genuine right wing beliefs, but like the timing of everything

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that he does That's what all of his that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what all has had anti trans stuff is is

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 1>that he couldn't beat his primary challenger, who was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to campaign a little bit fur them to write than

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<v Speaker 1>Abbott was. Yeah, And this is the thing where like

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.920
<v Speaker 1>politicians are allowed to play games with all people's lives

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 1>like that that's their job. But they're allowed to do

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.400
<v Speaker 1>this up until the exact moment at which those real

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 1>people are the bourgeoisie, and the moment this is this

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 1>The thing that Abbott is learning is that you can

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<v Speaker 1>do this kind of stunts all you want, Like you can,

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 1>you can, like you can shoot every trans kid, you

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.679
<v Speaker 1>can like I don't know, like you can you can

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>ban like every school from like saying the word race.

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 1>But you can't funk with the bourgeoisie. And and you

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 1>know this, this is this, This is the problem that

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.119
<v Speaker 1>he has is bye by like by like the middle

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.679
<v Speaker 1>of last week. He has the like the ruling classes

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 1>turning on him. The truckers a up blockading the bridges

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>that preventing all travel, and Abbott is like basically scrambling

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to find a way out. And the thing that he

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>does to do this is he like, he goes to

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Mexican governors who who are like that,

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the governors of border states, and these governors have like

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>sent him letters being like hey, like what are you doing,

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Like we need like we we we need our economies

0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to function. Can can you can you actually do this?

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>And you know, so he starts doing these negotiations with

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>him where he's like, well, okay, if you guys like

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>inspect all of these trucks or whatever before and you

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 1>ensure that there's no immigrants in them where whatever before

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>they get here, like we'll reopen the borders. And you know,

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>so they do this, and I think there's a couple

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>of interesting things about this. One is that most of

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 1>these I think there's one guy who's from the p

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>r I, but like almost all of these governors are

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 1>from the p A N, which is Mexico's like far

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 1>right wing party, and like these guys, these guys are

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 1>also like hard right, like we're on drug hard liners,

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>you hate immigrants and and this this has been another

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>big part of how the sort of border regime works,

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>which is that like, yeah, on the one hand, you

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:20.920
<v Speaker 1>have you have Abbo and you have like Texas so

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you have just the US government like projecting its power

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 1>like into Mexico, which is you know, another big part

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of what this is. But the other part of it

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>is has been the US essentially outsourcing its its border

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>regime and border policy just in like to Mexico. And

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>so you get a lot of there. There's been a

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>lot in the last especially dridern Trump administration. Uh, I

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>mean it goes back much further than that, but like

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>in the in the last like five years have been

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of really egregious examples of just like border

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>patrol ship but by the Mexican police, because it turns

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>out there's also a bunch of people in Mexico who

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>fucking hate Central American refugees and b uh the police

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>or the police literally everywhere. And this also for example,

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 1>like this, this is how this is how a lot

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:05.159
<v Speaker 1>of the border regime stuff works in um in Europe,

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>front acts of the European border like thing makes you

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to do like makes like basically just negotiates with like

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 1>literally every like I don't even know what you call them,

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like border state, I guess in Africa to ensure that

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like refugees coming up to North Africa, like don't ever

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 1>get to Europe, and like this is that they make

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>deals with Gadaffi. They made deals with the people who

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>came after Gadaffi. Um, yeah, there's the border system is

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>horrible and this is sort of the border system like

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>working as intended. Now, the other thing that we should

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>mention is that like, okay, so they're they're stopping and

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like supposedly searching all of these trucks and they find

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 1>literally nothing the entire time, because like there's there's you know,

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 1>there's never anything there. But you get all these press

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>companies they were like, well, yeah, of course there is nothing.

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>It's because the cartels were tipped off of the raid

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>because we did press conferences about it, and that's why

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 1>they announced. We announced the thing that we were gonna do.

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 1>So it gave him a chance to smartest Wow whoa. Yeah.

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>So that that that that's been fun. Um And the

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>last thing I wanna talk about, Yeah, this was part

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 1>of what we were talking about earlier, which is that like, yeah,

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 1>this is the second time this year that we've seen

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>right wingers like block off a border for political reasons.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think there's a few interesting things here. Um.

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>One is that This is the kind of stuff that

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>from like basically from the start of occupy and even

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>before then until like the Bernie campaign. This is like

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>the core of like what Marxist we're thinking about in

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the US, and also anarchists or something sent like if

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>if you go and read anything from that period, like

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it's all about logistics and kinter logistics and how you

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 1>can like disrupt them and whether or not we shuld

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 1>try to take control of logistics, and you know, and

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I think you see here like like attacking logistics is

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a very powerful political tool, but it's tool that has

0:28:56.240 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>like limited um, like it has limited utility for the

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>right because you know, the right depends on the backing

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of capitalists for the politics to work. They really really

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>need buy it the capitalists. Those capitalists need cross border

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>trade and you know, and the other thing like they

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>also need they also need market workers to make their money.

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And if you cut that stuff off, your political base

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>starts to collapse. And the second part of it that's

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting is you get to see how powerful this is

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>as a weapon for you know, like the working class

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>because of just like how instantaneously Abbott back down when

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>the trucking buckhead starts because this this is all over.

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Um last Friday, I think the what date is that?

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>That was good Friday, I mean the goodest, the goodest Friday. Yeah.

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Abbott was like, oh oh it's all over. We secured

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the border. Yeah everything here to the border, sure buddy, Okay, yeah,

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>but you know and you but like that's the thing,

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>like you can see like, yeah, you gotta see. You

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>gotta see a rare moment of like Mexican workers and

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>also like the the sort of international capital class working

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:14.719
<v Speaker 1>on the same side. And you've got to see how

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>fast they just like collaborate their politicians because yeah, like yeah,

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 1>like that the state is that the state is a

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>powerful force, but it turns out it's it's class politics

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>all the way down. And I think I don't know

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>between this in Canada, I think there's a couple of

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting things. One is which, Okay, yeah, you're like if

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you're on the left, like already automatically you're going to

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>be fighting the capital business Oshi is just always mad

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>at you. That's less concern. You will face more suppression

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>immediately obviously. This this is this is how the game

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 1>is played. Yeah, your face, more supression benediately. But it's

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>also like that that's not like a you're based turning

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>on you, Like that problem doesn't stem from capital is

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>not making money. The problem you have with your base

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>turning on you is about being being able to provision.

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>It applies to people, and I think this is you know,

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess you know more about this than I do,

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>but I will finish the sentence and then stop talking.

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Which is that like like, yeah, if you should look

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>at Canada, it was like part of the reason their

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>occupations failed was that like yeah, like just like a

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>bunch of ordinary people got really really mad at them

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>because their whole their cities were being locked down. Yeah. Yeah,

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>they started impacting not just the economic drivers, but the

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>people who live in those areas regularly and need them

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to operate. And that gave politicians enough enough of incentive

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to be like, see, it's actually hurting real people. It's

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>not just hurting the economy, but it's hurting you know,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.719
<v Speaker 1>your grandma who could be living in like Ottawa or something. Right,

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>So when you when you use these tactics, it's about

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>balancing the propaganda of like not severely impacting the people

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>who actually live in these places very much. But but

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 1>targeting the economics, policies and the you know, you know,

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the corporate elite or whatever kind of framing you want

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to use, because as as soon as you start doing

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>tactics that just hurt you know, regular people, that is

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>such an immediate like propaganda l as the kids would say, um,

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, you're you're just giving them the tools to

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>easily fight you back. And yes, they're gonna they're gonna

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>try to invent tools to to to stop you no

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>matter what. Like they're they're gonna, they're gonna they're gonna

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>try to do something via propaganda lens. But there's some

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 1>propaganda is way easier and uh much harder than others.

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think a big part of these types of things,

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>when you're starting to like block off you know, roots

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to cities, block off supply chains as you need to

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>be cognizant of making sure that the people who are

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>like immediately next to kind of things that are also cool,

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 1>because that can give you so much more legs. I mean,

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>we saw this in the Red House in Portland. There

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>was a there was a lot of effort um to

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>make the immediate neighbors not hate the occupation there to

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to stop the family from being evicted. Um. And there

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of debate around like how much graffiti

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>should be allowed out in the surrounding area because you know,

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to piste off the neighbors too much.

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Now that this can obviously stem in bad directions in

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>terms of like there was then like self self appointed

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>security guards like beating up and shooting people with paintballs

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>who were doing graffiti, which is obviously like not not

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>not how you do good anarchism, um. But then there's

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>other stuff being like no, we should just trash this

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>area anyway, it's all in the process of being gentrified,

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>which mean it is, but you're like, yes, I understand

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that emotional impulse. Um. And you may be right in

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of senses, like like more like more correct morally,

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>but to play the propaganda game to actually stop a

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>black family from being evicted, maybe we can actually to

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>look at this at a more tactical level. Yeah, And

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that there's a lot of examples of things

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>we can learn from strikes that is very efficiently. Like

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the things one of the reasons the wildcats

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>in West the wildcat teacher strikes West Virginia, and he

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seventeen worked was that the striking teachers in West

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Virginia were very very careful about making sure that they

0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 1>did things like you know, like making making sure that

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>kids got like the meals that the school would have

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>been like providing like like you know, like this is

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 1>why this is when mutual aid is extremely important because

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>it lets you it lets you provision services, not just

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 1>when they collapse because of like you know, oh hey

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the government's doing weird stuff or like there's a plague.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>It lets you do it, lets you shut down logistics

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>slignes yourself and still have community support and still be

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>able to provide people to think that provide people things

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that they need. And this is like you know, if

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>if you carry this all the way to like the

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>macro macro level, it's like yeah, okay, so like why

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>did why did the Russian Revolution not work? And you know,

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>like like why did the Pairs Commune fail? And it's like, well, yeah,

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>it's because instead of like giving peasants things, they went

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>into the countryside and shot them into decepting to get

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>those things. And it's like yeah, like you have to

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>what what what whatever? The thing that you're doing is

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in in in your sort of like base area, right whatever,

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you're like, hey, you're you're doing a ch you're shutting

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 1>down a bridge. You're like, you know, you're blocking up border,

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you're trying down to support, Right, you have to make

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>sure you're constantly expanding and building out support outside outside

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of that, outside of that action, and making sure you're

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you're you're able to provision the people who are affected

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>by it. And if you don't do this, you end

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>up like Abbott. And it's like, yeah, you know he

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Abbott had like the entire power of the American state

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>behind him, and he was able to keep this up

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>for like less than two weeks before he had to

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 1>just pull out. So yeah, we can do this better

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>and for things that are good and in ways that

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 1>don't hurt people or at least hurt people significantly less

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>or you know, don't not hurt the wrong people instead

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>try to try to hurt the right people. Just like

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>an incredible lack of like thinking that's my that's my summaries. Yeah,

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>better do thing like yeah, And I think also like again,

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like Abbott, Abbott's politics like is entirely about like infercting

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<v Speaker 1>old to young people right and ours like shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>and shouldn't And the fact that we actually care about

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<v Speaker 1>people makes our politics were effective and I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>should in theory. In theory they should um and any

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<v Speaker 1>time when we take a misstep from that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is of it is a big loss. Ye. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>one more strike thing that I just remembered that I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to talk about, which is I So it's

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<v Speaker 1>also trains a lot. There's there's a type of striker's

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<v Speaker 1>name I'm forgetting because I'm a hack and a fraud

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<v Speaker 1>where like the people, the people, the people will just

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<v Speaker 1>like take over a train and they'll run it, but

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<v Speaker 1>they just won't take fars. That is incredibly big. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, so that's that's that's like level one

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<v Speaker 1>of it. And then level two of the strike is

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<v Speaker 1>inside of just we're on strike, but we're running the

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<v Speaker 1>series and not taking any money. It's we now control

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<v Speaker 1>this train and that that has happened on several occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>and well, yeah you hear that. It's cool. You heard

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<v Speaker 1>it here first to take over your local train, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it could happen here. We could we we can do

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<v Speaker 1>it anarchism can make the trains run on time. Oh hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I am not sure about that. Punk punk time is

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<v Speaker 1>as an unstoppable Okay. Here, here's the thing. Here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>right like punk time Like okay, so you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the punks running the trains. You have the train nerds

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<v Speaker 1>running the train, people who should spend all of their

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<v Speaker 1>time playing train simulator running the trains. Okay, that the

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<v Speaker 1>trains will run great? Alright? That is that is completely fair. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>May second. Check both of them out. So many, so

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<v Speaker 1>many pods in the pipe as you say that is

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<v Speaker 1>that is the technical term pods in the pipe. These

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<v Speaker 1>these are genuinely, legitimately very good shows and you should

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<v Speaker 1>listen to them. And I'm really excited, so yay, alright, well,

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